Neutral spike

Warren,

It's the same here, long term order Ebay, Mouser, Allied, Digi quick is
Amazon Prime.  Miss scavenging the old dismantlers in Southern Cal with
the occasional goodie slipping through the security hammers at Lockheed
or Xerox or wherever because some tech had just put his heart and soul
into the project for a year and it was cancelled but cant bear to
sledgehammer the very last one so gets hidden somewhere until forgotten
and put in the normal scrap chain later on.  Otherwise like you it's a 4
hour drive to Portland who may or may not have anything.  Some of the
Epac's from China on Ebay are suprisingly quick. I try to stick with
Hong Kong sellers in order counterfeits less likely.

Hope you get a HV probe for Christmas or some other cool thing.  Hey did
you watch the video of the guy who made the 2d servo actuated pancake
winder, pretty awesome!

On 11/18/2018 3:33 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
>
> Thank you for you in depth answer.
> It gives a useful handle on the "trembler" coil. I never heard that
> term before.
> Giving it a try using pancake coils sounds like an easy experiment
> I think I have some microwave diodes.
> A problem here in Eastern Ontario, is the separation from my cheap and
> cheery electronics component places, by 4 hours travel.
> I have to think way ahead, not my strongest forte, to get supplies I
> didn't bring from Toronto, that we just naturally use all the time, in
> our experiments, that qualify as basic bench tools.
> As it is just coming up to Christmas
> and our loved ones are always asking what to get the old bugger for
> Christmas, maybe it would be helpful to make out a list of perennial
> needed stuff in an energy workshop bench, that well, are useful, and
> not too expensive.
> People do love us, even as eccentric, and odd, our hobbies may be.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:09 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hi Warren,
>
>     Those trembler coils put out a bunch of noise all over the
>     spectrum.  One can always test from a few feet away with the probe
>     set on x10 and not damage the scope but a spectrum analyzer would
>     show the different frequencies harmonics and any modulation type
>     waveforms.  With a scope you might be looking at only one of the
>     many frequencies it is spewing.
>
>     Yes there is a condenser in those things.  I know from back in the
>     old days when we had chrome bumpers could use a T coil to
>     electrify the body of our car in a parking lot park close enough
>     the bumper would touch another persons metal bumper wait until the
>     poor unsuspecting person came back from shopping and put the key
>     in their door and then have fun.  Teenagers can be so freekin evil.
>
>     I think there are several ways a Don Smith device can function
>     from the return stroke like lightening or using a magnet that has
>     been conditioned similar to Sparky Sweet as core material (that is
>     how the Russian device I showed you in the video running the drill
>     worked)which is just another type of varying the reluctance of a
>     core material to gate flux. Or one can just use the Larmour
>     frequency of a core allowing it to shift between elemental
>     states.  Varying the reluctance of cores has some powerful effects
>     and can be accomplished with a conditioned magnet that is self
>     excited at it's conditioning frequency so acts like it's own
>     oscillatory variable reluctance device or by the use of gating to
>     vary the reluctance in a device in such a way as to switch the
>     flux from one side to another.   Allegedly there is a Toshiba
>     washing machine that uses a variable flux switch motor.  Toshiba
>     has the patent I posted a few days back.  I would love to get my
>     hands on one of those!
>
>     I think the trembler coil would be a great device to use for
>     crashing a big coil with flyback pulses or other modalities. 
>     Since the unit is run as you say like a buzzer relay the
>     longitudinal waveform is developed just like a spark gap so should
>     be a really good "battery" for the rest of the device you want to
>     build.
>
>     Buy a few diff HV diodes(microwave-30kv etc) and see which ones
>     work without OD-ing.  Connect through the diode to one of your
>     pancake coils and see if you can get a cheap plastic compass to
>     snap about to prove it works.  The microwave oven diodes seem the
>     most robust so far for me and can be added in series for more
>     higher voltage capacity.
>
>     Sadly I must have missed Ole's new inverter scheme posts.
>
>     I hope I may have answered you questions, not sure if those were
>     questions or just thinking out loud.
>
>
>
>     On 11/17/2018 4:56 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>     Mick
>>     What do we get from the old Ford Model T coil? It is 6 volts
>>     into, like a door bell buzzer switch, then primary, and
>>     secondary, producing a very hot spark, which I have never been
>>     able to see the nature of on a scope that I value. It is about
>>     10,000 volts, judging by the length, and hot enough to ignite a
>>     sheet of paper put between the gap.
>>     Although I haven't performed surgery on one yet, I believe there
>>     may be an oil paper wrapped capacitor in there too.
>>     Now, in the vein of keeping the device simple, what happens when
>>     we rectify this high voltage "unknown" spark source? 
>>     This reliable high voltage DC source of pulses should be able to
>>     be applied to an inductor which in turn, should certainly disturb
>>     the local magnetic field, one might imagine.
>>     We then get dangerously close to the Don Smith rabbit hole, where
>>     none of us has gone down yet.
>>     Ole might be peeking in the back door of that realm, with his new
>>     inverter?
>>     It seems that the rythmatic tapping on the magnetic field can
>>     resonate with a coil of wire of a certain length, in an amplified
>>     manner, again rectified, to produce usable electricity.
>>     All of this must be put inside a Faraday cage, lest we bring down
>>     the demons, sent out to find why cell phone coverage is suddenly
>>     not happening in an area.
>>     The T coil can be adjusted mechanically with adjusting the buzzer
>>     point gap, changing the frequency slightly.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 12:27 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         Kone,
>>
>>         It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating
>>         both concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When
>>         harvesting RF if one desires to pull DC the old fashioned way
>>         Tesla did it the timing is important as one goes up a even
>>         harmonic or two to pull of the compression or refraction only.
>>
>>         AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's
>>         uses in the more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about
>>         because if one stays in the AC realm one can induce feedback
>>         to dance with the devil and friends.
>>
>>         On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi Ole and Mick
>>>         Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could"
>>>         hold a charge rather than dancing back and forth with
>>>         inductor if the capacitor has its charge rectified first
>>>         which I believe is whole idea of diode plug and cap is timed
>>>         to discharge into load too so there is power being created
>>>         not just observation of resonance...
>>>         Kone
>>>
>

MickThank you for you in depth answer.It gives a useful handle on the "trembler" coil. I never heard that term before.Giving it a try using pancake coils sounds like an easy experimentI think I have some microwave diodes.A problem here in Eastern Ontario, is the separation from my cheap and cheery electronics component places, by 4 hours travel.I have to think way ahead, not my strongest forte, to get supplies I didn't bring from Toronto, that we just naturally use all the time, in our experiments, that qualify as basic bench tools.As it is just coming up to Christmasand our loved ones are always asking what to get the old bugger for Christmas, maybe it would be helpful to make out a list of perennial needed stuff in an energy workshop bench, that well, are useful, and not too expensive.People do love us, even as eccentric, and odd, our hobbies may be.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:09 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Hi Warren,
 
Those trembler coils put out a bunch of noise all over the spectrum.  One can always test from a few feet away with the probe set on x10 and not damage the scope but a spectrum analyzer would show the different frequencies harmonics and any modulation type waveforms.  With a scope you might be looking at only one of the many frequencies it is spewing.
 
 
Yes there is a condenser in those things.  I know from back in the old days when we had chrome bumpers could use a T coil to electrify the body of our car in a parking lot park close enough the bumper would touch another persons metal bumper wait until the poor unsuspecting person came back from shopping and put the key in their door and then have fun.  Teenagers can be so freekin evil.
 
 
I think there are several ways a Don Smith device can function from the return stroke like lightening or using a magnet that has been conditioned similar to Sparky Sweet as core material (that is how the Russian device I showed you in the video running the drill worked)which is just another type of varying the reluctance of a core material to gate flux. Or one can just use the Larmour frequency of a core allowing it to shift between elemental states.  Varying the reluctance of cores has some powerful effects and can be accomplished with a conditioned magnet that is self excited at it's conditioning frequency so acts like it's own oscillatory variable reluctance device or by the use of gating to vary the reluctance in a device in such a way as to switch the flux from one side to another.   Allegedly there is a Toshiba washing machine that uses a variable flux switch motor.  Toshiba has the patent I posted a few days back.  I would love to get my hands on one of those!
 
 
I think the trembler coil would be a great device to use for crashing a big coil with flyback pulses or other modalities.  Since the unit is run as you say like a buzzer relay the longitudinal waveform is developed just like a spark gap so should be a really good "battery" for the rest of the device you want to build.
 
Buy a few diff HV diodes(microwave-30kv etc) and see which ones work without OD-ing.  Connect through the diode to one of your pancake coils and see if you can get a cheap plastic compass to snap about to prove it works.  The microwave oven diodes seem the most robust so far for me and can be added in series for more higher voltage capacity.
 
 
Sadly I must have missed Ole's new inverter scheme posts.
 
I hope I may have answered you questions, not sure if those were questions or just thinking out loud.
 

 
 

 
 On 11/17/2018 4:56 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Mick What do we get from the old Ford Model T coil? It is 6 volts into, like a door bell buzzer switch, then primary, and secondary, producing a very hot spark, which I have never been able to see the nature of on a scope that I value. It is about 10,000 volts, judging by the length, and hot enough to ignite a sheet of paper put between the gap. Although I haven't performed surgery on one yet, I believe there may be an oil paper wrapped capacitor in there too. Now, in the vein of keeping the device simple, what happens when we rectify this high voltage "unknown" spark source?  This reliable high voltage DC source of pulses should be able to be applied to an inductor which in turn, should certainly disturb the local magnetic field, one might imagine.
 We then get dangerously close to the Don Smith rabbit hole, where none of us has gone down yet. Ole might be peeking in the back door of that realm, with his new inverter? It seems that the rythmatic tapping on the magnetic field can resonate with a coil of wire of a certain length, in an amplified manner, again rectified, to produce usable electricity. All of this must be put inside a Faraday cage, lest we bring down the demons, sent out to find why cell phone coverage is suddenly not happening in an area. The T coil can be adjusted mechanically with adjusting the buzzer point gap, changing the frequency slightly. Cheers Warren
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   On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 12:27 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Kone,
 
It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating both concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When harvesting RF if one desires to pull DC the old fashioned way Tesla did it the timing is important as one goes up a even harmonic or two to pull of the compression or refraction only.
 
AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's uses in the more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about because if one stays in the AC realm one can induce feedback to dance with the devil and friends.
 
  On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Ole and Mick
 Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the capacitor  has its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being created not just observation of resonance...
 Kone
  
         
     
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NormanSpeaking of locked rotor.My old Bedini wheel could really charge like crazy with the wheel stopped.It would shudder in the stopped position and the voltage to the batteries would go way up.It may have been a pendulum effect, I am not really sure, but I posted those results back then, while in the Bedini group. Nobody picked up on it.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 6:45 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
 
 On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also known as stalled rotor.
 
 Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
 
 Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Norm,
 
I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
 
Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted definition?
 
Thanks,
 
Mick
 
 On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
 
    
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary  practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave  modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the  owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving between the  capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
 
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the  capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
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NormanYour search engine is on steroids. Wow! Not all search engines are created equal.Perhaps, it is as Gandolph said" If you know it's real name, you have power over it"Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 7:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

This last one is your example of a solenoid driven device!
 
 On 11/18/2018 6:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf
 
 On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
 
 On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
 
 On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
 
 On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
 
  On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a  ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type  motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the  locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see:  files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo  generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed  to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This  will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such  as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily  since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible  operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a  current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a  working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions,  so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as  the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which  received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which  charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker  points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces  inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary  windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary  current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano  second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the  .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil  impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto  electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid  linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity,  any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a  relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
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Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
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SteveWhat we need to know, is how efficient they can be.Keep in mind, these are early days, and we shouldn't expect a Ferrari right off the get go.This is a nice easy format to comprehend a free energy cycle, without needing to go down the semi conductor rabbit hole, exactly.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 7:43 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hey Warren 
I have a Friend that has a magnetic repulsion Motor I have shown it on this forum before and a lot of People have built different variations of it before they are all over Utube the Gap Motor, Ed has his Phone Number posted on one of his Utubes he is a super nice Guy and will talk about it when I first got to know him He took Me into his basement and let me look at everything and answered all My questions ,he lives in Abingdon Va about an hours drive from meSteve


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From: Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
To: EVGRAY <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike

 

 https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/transformers-phase-converters-and-vfd/g-e-repulsion-induction-motor-what-does-mean-245846/    My Dad had an air compressor in shop that had one of the Replusion Start 5 HP motors.  
  On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norman Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
   On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norman Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear  solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick  into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor  characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate  the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous Child  on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can  select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
   On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow. Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a  working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions,  so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as  the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which  received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which  charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker  points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces  inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary  windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary  current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano  second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the  .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil  impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto  electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid  linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity,  any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a  relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
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    Norm The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles: https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/ http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
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      Ole, I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
  
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    Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the  standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
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   Ole, Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
  If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power? 
  
  On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
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Nice thinking Norman, and yes I agree, Doug would be great at the steering. The beauty is in the cause and effect display of the mechanism, being evident.Cheers Warren

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Kone will be the most knowledgeable on this subject of solid state switching of the push- pull solenoid as depicted in this set up.  All solid state switching modules such as IGBT, SCRs, transistors etc have built in self protection snubber diodes to shunt to earth ground the off state switching HV spike energy.  Now Doug would eliminate the SHUNT DIODES and install sterring diodes and collection capacitor net work the provide a much more efficient system.
 
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This last one is your example of a solenoid driven device!
 
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http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
 
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https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
 
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
 
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Norman
 Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky Cheers Warren
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EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
 
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Norman
 Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a  ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type  motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the  locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see:  files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo  generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed  to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This  will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such  as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily  since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible  operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a  current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
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OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a  working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions,  so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as  the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which  received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which  charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker  points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces  inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary  windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary  current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano  second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the  .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil  impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto  electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid  linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity,  any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a  relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
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Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
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I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
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Wow!Frigging amazing!Who is this guy and what is his history?I held a real Howard Johnson working proto type in my hands that I found under a bench in in John Bedini's upstairs "museum" at his workshop in Idaho, when we visited.It was a track model, and boy did he give me shit for touching and playing with it, while he got called away to a land line phone call.
He came back and caught me in the act of discovery.It was "Oh you've seen that, now we're going to have to kill you"Seriously, he seemed upset that I understood what I was playing with, and he wanted to keep it secret. It put a real chill in a up to then, very cordial visit.This guy, in his excellent video, has it perfectly correct what Howard Johnson was doing. I was, just coming out of a several year phase of magnet motor experiments, myself, and was like a kid in a toy shop, at Bedini's. I felt John was being a bit paranoid, and grumpy.This video outlines everything, even hits on Feynman's books!Howard Johnson broke up magnets with a claw hammer and five minute epoxied them in place, using the chards of broken ceramic in every which way to form the reactive walls along the tracks.This video shows what he did!How did you score this, and where did it get done?I would sure like to know the people involved in making the video. Excellent job!.Thanks Norman, your sources are way over my head.Cheers Warren
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGElmxZmhk
 
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https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
 
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
 
 On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
 
  On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a  ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type  motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the  locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see:  files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo  generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed  to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This  will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such  as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily  since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible  operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a  current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a  working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions,  so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as  the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which  received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which  charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker  points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces  inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary  windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary  current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano  second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the  .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil  impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto  electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid  linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity,  any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a  relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
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Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
 Regards
 Ole  
 
   
 
  
        
   
        
   
        
   
        
   
  
  
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Warren!  Remember in the movie , Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 
when on the Dark Side of the Moon, the radar operator said: We now have 
several non-correlated targets?   By compound search engines I can bring 
Non Correlated info into focus and find interesting items.   Yes! The 
key is to know what you are looking for by its true nomenclature!

On 11/18/2018 7:35 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Norman
>
> Your search engine is on steroids. Wow! Not all search engines are 
> created equal.
> Perhaps, it is as Gandolph said" If you know it's real name, you have 
> power over it"
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 7:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     This last one is your example of a solenoid driven device!
>
>     On 11/18/2018 6:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf
>>
>>     On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
>>>
>>>     On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this
>>>>>>     forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston
>>>>>>     engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion
>>>>>>         plate principle!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Norman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>>>>         That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we
>>>>>>>             approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a
>>>>>>>             linear solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid
>>>>>>>             type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into
>>>>>>>             the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or
>>>>>>>             counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor
>>>>>>>             characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>>>>>             pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to
>>>>>>>             calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the
>>>>>>>             thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading
>>>>>>>             factors. This will give us the duration and
>>>>>>>             magnitude of driving DC pulse. (power supply source
>>>>>>>             direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such
>>>>>>>             as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.  
>>>>>>>             Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be
>>>>>>>             worked out very easily since we can select a time
>>>>>>>             base for the as natural as possible operation of the
>>>>>>>             device. How much inductive drag is there with the
>>>>>>>             non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just
>>>>>>>             because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that
>>>>>>>             you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot
>>>>>>>             to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just
>>>>>>>>             get TV snow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we
>>>>>>>>             can build a working model.
>>>>>>>>             I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>>>>             instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as
>>>>>>>>                 follows! The solenoid linear motor can be
>>>>>>>>                 operated just the same as the old Outboard
>>>>>>>>                 Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.
>>>>>>>>                 What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>>>>>>>                 coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>>>>>                 current in primary windings , magnets passing
>>>>>>>>                 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center
>>>>>>>>                 which charged up the condenser when current
>>>>>>>>                 reached peak. When breaker points opened the
>>>>>>>>                 rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd
>>>>>>>>                 pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current
>>>>>>>>                 in the primary windings and the discharge
>>>>>>>>                 current from the condenser was in phase which
>>>>>>>>                 accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>>>>>                 scope the primary current represented an
>>>>>>>>                 instantaneous straight down line (nano second
>>>>>>>>                 response). This was accomplished due to the
>>>>>>>>                 fact that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect
>>>>>>>>                 L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high
>>>>>>>>                 Q) . It is important to incorporate this
>>>>>>>>                 magneto electric effect into the switching
>>>>>>>>                 design of the solenoid linear motor. See, there
>>>>>>>>                 is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just
>>>>>>>>                 threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design
>>>>>>>>                 simplicity, any switching frequency can be
>>>>>>>>                 selected. Just as the Tesla mechanical
>>>>>>>>                 oscillators worked at a relative low frequency!
>>>>>>>>                 Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>>>>>                 Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>>>                 [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>                 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Norm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 The mechanical contraptions that I have out
>>>>>>>>>                 lined, should be very suitable for applying
>>>>>>>>>                 mechanical switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>>>>                 I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>>>>                 happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>>>>                 "Black box"as even discrete components in a
>>>>>>>>>                 circuit can be confusing.
>>>>>>>>>                 It would be so great to hear your further
>>>>>>>>>                 thoughts on this subject.
>>>>>>>>>                 Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>>>                 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>>                 <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman
>>>>>>>>>                     Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>>                     <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been
>>>>>>>>>                     thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor
>>>>>>>>>                     experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>>                     come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor
>>>>>>>>>                     / generator combination which is so easy
>>>>>>>>>                     to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>>>>>                     should read what we know as facts! See the
>>>>>>>>>                     following articles:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Kone loves to play with the very powerful
>>>>>>>>>                     Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown
>>>>>>>>>                     in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>>>>>                     generator. What I will propose is very
>>>>>>>>>                     simple application of DC motor principles
>>>>>>>>>                     as read from the cited references. First
>>>>>>>>>                     you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>>>>                     reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which
>>>>>>>>>                     will give the necessary stroke length to
>>>>>>>>>                     drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>>                     oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>>>>>>>>                     free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of
>>>>>>>>>                     the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor
>>>>>>>>>                     and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion
>>>>>>>>>                     rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By
>>>>>>>>>                     using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid
>>>>>>>>>                     coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED
>>>>>>>>>                     ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has
>>>>>>>>>                     the light come on yet??   We know that
>>>>>>>>>                     Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>>>                     output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>>>>>>>                     the DC motor principles as applied to the
>>>>>>>>>                     solenoid driver, you have a motor that is
>>>>>>>>>                     LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>>>                     Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>>>>                     We know as Ole will agree in that when you
>>>>>>>>>                     switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>>>>>>>                     magnetic flux is building toward
>>>>>>>>>                     saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>>>                     spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>                     capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>>>>                     practice in solid state switch design
>>>>>>>>>                     (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE
>>>>>>>>>                     energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>>>>>>>>>                     the over-unity factor here! Interesting
>>>>>>>>>                     concept! Think about it!  Norm Mick!
>>>>>>>>>                     (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick
>>>>>>>>>                     [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     I have had caps charge much faster in an
>>>>>>>>>>                     LC tank than otherwise, but it could also
>>>>>>>>>>                     have to do with noise in the core
>>>>>>>>>>                     material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>                     [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>>>                     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>                     disconnected from the reactive source
>>>>>>>>>>>                     then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     standing wave modality recharged
>>>>>>>>>>>                     disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive energy is harvested in this
>>>>>>>>>>>                     manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>>>>>>>>                     will occur as power factor correcting
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Common power factor correction in AC is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     for eliminating the reactive power that
>>>>>>>>>>>                     doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     wires between the power plant and the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     owners of the power transmission lines
>>>>>>>>>>>                     and thus should be avoided. First
>>>>>>>>>>>                     storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor or battery) and then dumping it
>>>>>>>>>>>                     to an active load will still make the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>>                     though it happens in pulses. The energy
>>>>>>>>>>>                     is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     load. Reactive power has the energy
>>>>>>>>>>>                     moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     source. The power moving between the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     pure reactive except for the loss
>>>>>>>>>>>                     because of the parasitic resistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Disregarding the issue at hand with the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     patent terminology and not concerning
>>>>>>>>>>>                     ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>>>>>>>>                     high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>                     disconnected from the reactive source
>>>>>>>>>>>                     then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     standing wave modality recharged
>>>>>>>>>>>                     disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive energy is harvested in this
>>>>>>>>>>>                     manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>>>>>>>>                     will occur as power factor correcting
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         paragraph cited below. I wonder if
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         application
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         capacitor and there is voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Power=voltage×current, a single
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         It isn't as simple as this. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         using an oscilloscope for measuring
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the current and voltage it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         between the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         which means reactive power. Look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the following small videos to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         knowing how the phase between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         current and voltage is: Only the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         1:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               part 1. but,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         The numbers without the phase shift
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         looks like overunity which isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the case when taking into account
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the phase shift. Only real power is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         useful in doing work. Reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the small active part heating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the wires and other components
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         because of their parasitic
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         resistance. This part caused by
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         actually reactive power. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         why the power distributing
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         companies may charge costumers for
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         having high reactive power going
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the power lines without
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         transferring active power to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         costumers. It's just pure loss
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Resistance converts electric power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         into heat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Just looked at the figures and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         found the description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         embodiment of the present
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         bulb energy. In a test conducted,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         installed according to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         [0150]Since Apparent Power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         calculations below illustrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         light bulb. The voltage applied at
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the power input is 115 V. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         apparent power for the Power Input
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Line (Line PIN) is measured at
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         measured for the shed motor fan is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         126.5 VA and the apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         measured for the light bulb is 65
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         VA is measured at the output,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         indicating an approximately 1.5
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         gain. Calculations are also shown
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         increased. The apparent power is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the vector sum of the real power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         and the reactive power which makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         it always greater than or equal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         the real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>

Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative 
to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 
3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 
230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. 
In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this 
outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84 
amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate 
the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two 
charged capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state 
due to insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump 
in here and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and 
isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did 
the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients 
back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be 
done by anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor 
in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  
Simple!   ( BOOM)!!

On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap 
> from energizing?
>
> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you 
> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the 
> service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where 
> the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>
> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink 
> side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned 
> earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap 
> in the pole pig?
>
> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we 
> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the 
> core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  
> Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>
> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC 
> hmmm...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for 
>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor 
>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R = 
>> resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined 
>> current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve 
>> on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at which 
>> point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only 
>> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a 
>> starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both 
>> of which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit 
>> open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric 
>> effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be 
>> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor 
>> frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will 
>> create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of 
>> CSN by Tesla himself.
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is 
>>> also known as stalled rotor.
>>>
>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic 
>>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) 
>>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. 
>>> The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>>
>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor 
>>> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked 
>>> to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems 
>>> like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>
>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional 
>>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday 
>>> accepted definition?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... 
>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>>     with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which
>>>>     is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>     read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>
>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>
>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>>>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of
>>>>     DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First
>>>>     you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>     MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to
>>>>     drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>     free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the
>>>>     solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>     give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By
>>>>     using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into
>>>>     being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
>>>>     light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a
>>>>     sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC
>>>>     motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>     motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an
>>>>     Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We know as Ole will
>>>>     agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
>>>>     as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>     huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and
>>>>     not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch
>>>>     design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>     which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here! 
>>>>     Interesting concept! Think about it!  Norm    Mick!
>>>>     (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core
>>>>>     material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive
>>>>>>     energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
>>>>>>     losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive
>>>>>>     back into real power?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>     expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>>>     thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>     capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>     active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>>     direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>     then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has
>>>>>>     the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
>>>>>>     power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank
>>>>>>     is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>     resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>>>     and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high
>>>>>>     Q tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the reactive energy
>>>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>     real power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited below.
>>>>>>>         I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected
>>>>>>>         in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>         the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>         Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>         produces two branches of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>         increasing the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>         present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>         output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>>>>         measuring the current and voltage it will show some
>>>>>>>         phase displacement between the current and voltage which
>>>>>>>         means reactive power. Look at the following small videos
>>>>>>>         to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>         phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the
>>>>>>>         resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in
>>>>>>>         figure 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>
>

Norm,

So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt
nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.

Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap
neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the
service.  Since it is on the sink side of the transformer from the
utility there is a direct path to ground through a certain
impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever importance that plays into
the event.

On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative
> to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with
> a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 &
> L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis
> frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to
> bond this outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When
> over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO
> GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration
> (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit.  This
> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor windings
> and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there is capacitive
> coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic
> flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on this phenomenon
> after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy to
> duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap
>> from energizing?
>>
>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
>> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the
>> service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where
>> the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else? 
>>
>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink
>> side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned
>> earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap
>> in the pole pig?
>>
>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the
>> core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on. 
>> Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>
>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
>> hmmm...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for
>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor
>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R =
>>> resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined
>>> current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH
>>> curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at
>>> which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the
>>> only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5
>>> mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops
>>> circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto
>>> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to
>>> be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor
>>> frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will
>>> create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of
>>> CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is
>>>> also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>
>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic
>>>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor)
>>>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator.
>>>> The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>
>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor
>>>> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked
>>>> to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip,
>>>> seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
>>>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday
>>>> accepted definition?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mick
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>>>     with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination
>>>>>     which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>     should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>
>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>
>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>>>>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of
>>>>>     DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First
>>>>>     you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>>     MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length
>>>>>     to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>>>>     drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the
>>>>>     solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>     give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By
>>>>>     using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked
>>>>>     into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>     Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator
>>>>>     puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following
>>>>>     the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>     have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an
>>>>>     Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will
>>>>>     agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
>>>>>     as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>     huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture
>>>>>     and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>     switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE
>>>>>     energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>     factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm   
>>>>>     Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>     core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive
>>>>>>>     energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
>>>>>>>     losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive
>>>>>>>     back into real power?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>     expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>>>>     thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>     capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>     active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>>>     direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>>     then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has
>>>>>>>     the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
>>>>>>>     power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>     LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>     parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>>>>     and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>>>>     high Q tank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive
>>>>>>>     energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
>>>>>>>     losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive
>>>>>>>     back into real power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is
>>>>>>>>         writing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected
>>>>>>>>         in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>>         the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>>         Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>         produces two branches of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>         increasing the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>>         present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>         output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>>         for measuring the current and voltage it will show some
>>>>>>>>         phase displacement between the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>         which means reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>         videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how
>>>>>>>>         the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the
>>>>>>>>         the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R
>>>>>>>>         in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>
>

Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something 
over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack of 
understanding the whole project.   First you have to go back to the 1981 
ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A wiring 
error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor 
reversing switch into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a 
total isolation of charge while the switch was in transition from 
forward operation  to reverse operation. Reversing switch would 
explode.  This was my first encounter with the phenomenon which I 
researched and determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or 
better put, Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In 
Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but 
can change forms as we clearly see by simple experiment. With this 
knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion to 
encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had 
remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed 
a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and said  she 
had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me 
to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both 
started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.  
Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that 
switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down 
against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you 
understand how they operate: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When I went 
into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon occurred again. 
Sure enough the screen and projector descended half way down then 
reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo ventilator 
attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast 
acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big problem 
was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to 
coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance 
like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take 
off spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these 
motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the 
neutral buss.   Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor 
windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed 
(backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the 
mains breakers and house wiring including the service cabelling and 
earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While 
walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C 
Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were 
earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at 
the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While I was 
looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a locked 
rotor condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which 
you could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2 second.  This 
was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss to carry 
this very unusual form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced 
the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a better 
understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to 
fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the 
ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from 
Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been 
duplicated in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I 
elected to bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back 
in 1984 at the Sharp residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and 
Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like 
the one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor 
via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and discharge lines 
you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:

This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by 
current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, 
both the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current 
relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic 
saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total 
isolation with no ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE 
MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This 
experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon 
for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest 
and less expensive to replicate. Most current available reversible fans 
utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse 
rotation.  All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so 
that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral) while the 
reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several times and you will 
explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not understand??   I was just 
too curious to let this go by without finding an answer.   Just remember 
the Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.

On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap 
> or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near 
> pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to 
> a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than 
> a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side... 
> coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap 
> neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the 
> service.  Since it is on the sink side of the transformer from the 
> utility there is a direct path to ground through a certain 
> impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever importance that plays into 
> the event.
>
> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion 
>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service 
>> wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You 
>> had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor 
>> and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into 
>> earth ground to bond this outdoor installation for safety reasons.    
>> When over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there 
>> is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux 
>> sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors in the 
>> circuit. This energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the 
>> motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there 
>> is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance 
>> and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on this 
>> phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy 
>> to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone 
>> by just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to 
>> float neutral while the reversing switch is in transition. Simple!   
>> ( BOOM)!!
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start 
>>> cap from energizing?
>>>
>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you 
>>> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the 
>>> service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame 
>>> where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>>
>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated 
>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you 
>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by the 
>>> center tap in the pole pig?
>>>
>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we 
>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the 
>>> core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  
>>> Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>
>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC 
>>> hmmm...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for 
>>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor 
>>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R = 
>>>> resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a 
>>>> combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at 
>>>> the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to 
>>>> saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) 
>>>> with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual 
>>>> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run 
>>>> cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when 
>>>> current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral 
>>>> Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the 
>>>> caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth 
>>>> ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded. 
>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth ground 
>>>> response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is 
>>>>> also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic 
>>>>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) 
>>>>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. 
>>>>> The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field 
>>>>> speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Ole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor 
>>>>> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked 
>>>>> to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, 
>>>>> seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional 
>>>>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday 
>>>>> accepted definition?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... 
>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>>>>     with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination
>>>>>>     which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>>     should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>     K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of
>>>>>>     DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First
>>>>>>     you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>>>     MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length
>>>>>>     to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>>>>>     drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of
>>>>>>     the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>>>>>     switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>>>>     60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
>>>>>>     tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ
>>>>>>     effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>     generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ
>>>>>>     drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the
>>>>>>     solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also. The
>>>>>>     combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>     We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>     solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building
>>>>>>     toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral
>>>>>>     Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>>>     ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>     diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>     naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting
>>>>>>     concept!  Think about it! Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>     core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>     then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This
>>>>>>>>     is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines
>>>>>>>>     and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>     capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to
>>>>>>>>     an active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>>>>     direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>>>     then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has
>>>>>>>>     the energy moving to and from the load and power source.
>>>>>>>>     The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>>     LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>     parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>>>>>     and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>>>>>     high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>     then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>>>>>         is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected
>>>>>>>>>         in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>>>         the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>>>         Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>         produces two branches of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>         increasing the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>>>         present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>         output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>>>         for measuring the current and voltage it will show
>>>>>>>>>         some phase displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>         voltage which means reactive power. Look at the
>>>>>>>>>         following small videos to see how one can be misled if
>>>>>>>>>         not knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>         voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>         (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>
>

Norm,

Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive questions.
Everything here is understood.  My question had to do with the source
side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't understand
just that I like things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore
I was trying to map out the circuit including all E and B field
connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan experiment be
replicated from a battery inverter source without connection to the
utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up the other week.  You have
explained the phenomenon and it's creation many times but seem to have
left out the functions from the source side of the circuit and how that
interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
connect-anniliation-reconnect.

I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale
while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an
inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best way
to move forward on the source side without burning up any more devices
or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso transformer
with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the center tap in
order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on source side in
the first place not just the ground rod on the sink side of the
experiment.  Otherwise part two will require a giant stepdown of similar
proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.

I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the
why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile.
Sorry to offend.

By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with
Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I
have never uncovered it.

Thank again!

On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
> something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack
> of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go back to the
> 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A
> wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the
> capacitor reversing switch into the neutral side of the circuit which
> provided a total isolation of charge while the switch was in
> transition from forward operation  to reverse operation. Reversing
> switch would explode.  This was my first encounter with the phenomenon
> which I researched and determined that it was a Magneto-Electric
> effect or better put, Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now
> know it. In Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be
> destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple experiment.
> With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion
> to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had
> remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had
> installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and
> said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea
> and told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and
> projector both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and
> went back up.  Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run
> design so that switching via wall switch could reverse operation,
> either up or down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor
> example so you understand how they operate: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be      When
> I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half
> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo
> ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG
> , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one
> big problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several
> minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a
> small appliance like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole
> motor) would take off spinning backwards then stop.  The only
> connection that all these motor had when sitting in a turned off state
> was a connection to the neutral buss.   Interesting fact was that with
> the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic acceleration
> up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did
> an inspection to the mains breakers and house wiring including the
> service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to
> Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new
> installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older
> 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland
> Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton,
> 230VAC single phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new
> one tried to start against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor
> closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in
> the ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP
> event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of
> energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and
> rectified the situation but I came away with a better understanding a
> very common phenomenon that most do not take time to fully understand
> nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the ongoing research of
> the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic
> storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated in
> Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench
> top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the
> Sharp residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the one
> in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via
> filling with oil and pinching off the suction and discharge lines you
> have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>
> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
> current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor,
> both the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current
> relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic
> saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total
> isolation with no ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE
> MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This
> experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
> phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest
> and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most current available
> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via toggle
> switch to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up circuit and
> re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of ground reference
> (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several
> times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not
> understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by without
> finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
> destroyed but it can change forms.
>
> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap
>> or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near
>> pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next
>> to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper
>> than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>
>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center
>> tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the
>> service.  Since it is on the sink side of the transformer from the
>> utility there is a direct path to ground through a certain
>> impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever importance that plays
>> into the event.
>>
>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service
>>> wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit!
>>> You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to
>>> motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake
>>> into earth ground to bond this outdoor installation for safety
>>> reasons.    When over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter
>>> contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both
>>> magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
>>> capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due
>>> to insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump
>>> in here and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and
>>> isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and
>>> did the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a
>>> clients back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan
>>> trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on the
>>> reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the reversing
>>> switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start
>>>> cap from energizing?
>>>>
>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
>>>> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the
>>>> service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame
>>>> where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else? 
>>>>
>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated
>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you
>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by
>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the
>>>> core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on. 
>>>> Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>
>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series
>>>> LC hmmm...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for
>>>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor
>>>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R
>>>>> = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a
>>>>> combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at
>>>>> the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to
>>>>> saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value)
>>>>> with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
>>>>> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run
>>>>> cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when
>>>>> current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral
>>>>> Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the
>>>>> caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth
>>>>> ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded.
>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
>>>>> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This
>>>>>> is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic
>>>>>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor)
>>>>>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the
>>>>>> stator. The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field
>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor
>>>>>> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is
>>>>>> locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount of
>>>>>> slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
>>>>>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the
>>>>>> everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>>>>>     with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination
>>>>>>>     which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>>>     should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>>     K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application
>>>>>>>     of DC motor principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>>     First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a
>>>>>>>     LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke
>>>>>>>     length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating
>>>>>>>     within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).  
>>>>>>>     Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>>     drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>     frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the
>>>>>>>     solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>     condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on
>>>>>>>     yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>     output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor
>>>>>>>     principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>>     motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an
>>>>>>>     Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will
>>>>>>>     agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off
>>>>>>>     state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there
>>>>>>>     will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>>>     to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in
>>>>>>>     solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of
>>>>>>>     the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>     over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about
>>>>>>>     it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>>     core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>>     then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>     the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats
>>>>>>>>>     the wires between the power plant and the reactive load.
>>>>>>>>>     This is expensive for the owners of the power transmission
>>>>>>>>>     lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy
>>>>>>>>>     in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>     it to an active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>>>>>     one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy
>>>>>>>>>     is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power
>>>>>>>>>     has the energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>>     source. The power moving between the capacitor and
>>>>>>>>>     inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the
>>>>>>>>>     loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components
>>>>>>>>>     and wires.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>>>>>>     and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>>>>>>     high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>>     then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>>>>>>         is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>         connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>         voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
>>>>>>>>>>         the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single
>>>>>>>>>>         power input produces two branches of electromagnetic
>>>>>>>>>>         power output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>         alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>         electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>>>>         for measuring the current and voltage it will show
>>>>>>>>>>         some phase displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>         voltage which means reactive power. Look at the
>>>>>>>>>>         following small videos to see how one can be misled
>>>>>>>>>>         if not knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>         voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>         (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>

J² x √3 + E↓ =  EMP  !

I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You are 
dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.  
Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally 
isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from 
any ground reference.  Energy simply cannot vanish into empty space.   
My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the isolation condition and when 
the energy was annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled 
, I got the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit.  To hell 
with the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and 
capacitors are charged, then the source is totally out of the equation. 
Once that starting contactor opens the source is no longer a factor.  In 
all of my trials with this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture 
of dielectric material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small. 
The energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very high 
current but no damage to small appliance motors.  I lived in a Dallas 
neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station just down the 
street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms I had been 
awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism 
start up and start to eject tape, get half way and reverse and put tape 
back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation.  This was 
sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected the tape drive 
mechanism.  People see the sort of thing but are not smart enough to 
question why they happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation 
was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.

On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this 
> event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive 
> questions. Everything here is understood.  My question had to do with 
> the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't 
> understand just that I like things to be very succinct in my small 
> brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit including all E 
> and B field connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan 
> experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without 
> connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up the 
> other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation many 
> times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of 
> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and 
> magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale 
> while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an 
> inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best 
> way to move forward on the source side without burning up any more 
> devices or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso 
> transformer with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the 
> center tap in order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on 
> source side in the first place not just the ground rod on the sink 
> side of the experiment.  Otherwise part two will require a giant 
> stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to 
> streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the 
> why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile. 
> Sorry to offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with 
> Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I 
> have never uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
>
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain 
>> something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack 
>> of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go back to 
>> the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor 
>> problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly 
>> wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral side of the 
>> circuit which provided a total isolation of charge while the switch 
>> was in transition from forward operation  to reverse operation. 
>> Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first encounter with the 
>> phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a 
>> Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux 
>> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always 
>> been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as 
>> we clearly see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back 
>> in the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon 
>> again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive 
>> Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV 
>> system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and said  she had a 
>> Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to 
>> sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both 
>> started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.  
>> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that 
>> switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down 
>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you 
>> understand how they operate: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When I 
>> went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon 
>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half 
>> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered 
>> turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off 
>> ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design 
>> speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine 
>> took several minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs 
>> found that a small appliance like a counter top blender in the 
>> kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning backwards then 
>> stop.  The only connection that all these motor had when sitting in a 
>> turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss. Interesting 
>> fact was that with the very small size motor windings and sudden 
>> fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no 
>> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and 
>> house wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the 
>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I 
>> found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in 
>> addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via 
>> the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units.  
>> Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While I was looking at 
>> the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a locked rotor 
>> condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you 
>> could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2 second.  This 
>> was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss to 
>> carry this very unusual form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and 
>> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away 
>> with a better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not 
>> take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By 
>> studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP 
>> phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation 
>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better 
>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the 
>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp residence.  
>> Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting, I had 
>> many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C 
>> unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and 
>> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked 
>> up sealed unit See:
>>
>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by 
>> current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, 
>> both the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current 
>> relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic 
>> saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total 
>> isolation with no ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE 
>> MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This 
>> experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the 
>> phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest 
>> and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most current available 
>> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via 
>> toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up 
>> circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of 
>> ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit. 
>> Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, 
>> what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this go 
>> by without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy 
>> cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>
>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start 
>>> cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near 
>>> pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next 
>>> to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper 
>>> than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>
>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply 
>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to 
>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground 
>>> bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the 
>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground 
>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever 
>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion 
>>>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service 
>>>> wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! 
>>>> You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to 
>>>> motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake 
>>>> into earth ground to bond this outdoor installation for safety 
>>>> reasons. When over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter 
>>>> contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both 
>>>> magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged 
>>>> capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due 
>>>> to insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump 
>>>> in here and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame 
>>>> and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I 
>>>> built and did the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real 
>>>> life in a clients back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible 
>>>> ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring 
>>>> on the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the 
>>>> reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start 
>>>>> cap from energizing?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did 
>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back to 
>>>>> the service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor 
>>>>> frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated 
>>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you 
>>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by 
>>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we 
>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate 
>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn 
>>>>> on.  Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series 
>>>>> LC hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder for 
>>>>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor 
>>>>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R 
>>>>>> = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a 
>>>>>> combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at 
>>>>>> the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to 
>>>>>> saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) 
>>>>>> with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual 
>>>>>> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run 
>>>>>> cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when 
>>>>>> current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral 
>>>>>> Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the 
>>>>>> caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and 
>>>>>> earth ground reference. the iron motor frame is earth bonded. 
>>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth 
>>>>>> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This 
>>>>>>> is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating 
>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor 
>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between 
>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as 
>>>>>>> motor or generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field 
>>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked 
>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor 
>>>>>>> is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount 
>>>>>>> of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any 
>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring beyond 
>>>>>>> the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... 
>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come
>>>>>>>>     up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>     combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First
>>>>>>>>     of all you should read what we know as facts! See the
>>>>>>>>     following articles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>>>     K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>>>>     generator. What I will propose is very simple application
>>>>>>>>     of DC motor principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>>>     First you make your LENZ free motor which is in reality a
>>>>>>>>     LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>>>>>     stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>     oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo
>>>>>>>>     magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall
>>>>>>>>     sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate
>>>>>>>>     (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to
>>>>>>>>     drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED
>>>>>>>>     ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>>>>>>>     on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>>     wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor
>>>>>>>>     principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>>>     motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>>     Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole
>>>>>>>>     will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to
>>>>>>>>     off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation
>>>>>>>>     there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we
>>>>>>>>     have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice
>>>>>>>>     in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The capture
>>>>>>>>     of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>     over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>>>     it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>>>     core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>     load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just
>>>>>>>>>>     heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive
>>>>>>>>>>     load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>>     transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>>>>>>>>>     storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or
>>>>>>>>>>     battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still
>>>>>>>>>>     make the power go in just one direction even though it
>>>>>>>>>>     happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>>>     source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving
>>>>>>>>>>     to and from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>>     between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
>>>>>>>>>>     reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>>>     resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>     terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>     just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>>>     then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>>     modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>     reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>>>>>>>         is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>         connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
>>>>>>>>>>>         the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single
>>>>>>>>>>>         power input produces two branches of electromagnetic
>>>>>>>>>>>         power output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>         alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>>         electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>>>>>         for measuring the current and voltage it will show
>>>>>>>>>>>         some phase displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage which means reactive power. Look at the
>>>>>>>>>>>         following small videos to see how one can be misled
>>>>>>>>>>>         if not knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>         (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>
>

Thanks!  I have an e-mail archive that goes back to when Doug originally 
set up this EV Gray Group.

On 11/20/2018 1:57 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm good article  you might just copy and file it away with a short 
> cut link so when some one needs a refresher it's just a click away for 
> you .Yahoo isn't workable for many. Of us and this will disappear like 
> the dew on the grass when the sun comes up  . it's a little to good to 
> have It vanish .away . thinks for your input your appreciated .
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Norm,
>
>     Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
>     event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
>     questions. Everything here is understood.  My question had to do
>     with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that
>     I don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in
>     my small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit
>     including all E and B field connections in order that for instance
>     the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
>     source without connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH
>     I brought up the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon
>     and it's creation many times but seem to have left out the
>     functions from the source side of the circuit and how that
>     interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
>     connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
>     I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>     scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>     from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine
>     the best way to move forward on the source side without burning up
>     any more devices or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to
>     procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground it on the
>     sink side to the center tap in order there is the magnetic
>     connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
>     the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment.  Otherwise part
>     two will require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole
>     pig.  Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.
>
>     I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
>     the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
>     puerile. Sorry to offend.
>
>     By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>     with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike
>     event I have never uncovered it.
>
>     Thank again!
>
>     On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>     something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for
>>     lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>>     back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole
>>     motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>     incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral
>>     side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge
>>     while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to
>>     reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my
>>     first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and
>>     determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put,
>>     Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In
>>     Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be
>>     destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple
>>     experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I
>>     had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around
>>     1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park
>>     home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV system into her
>>     den.   MS. Sharp called and said  she had a Poltergeist in her
>>     den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and
>>     wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both started
>>     descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up. Both
>>     these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that
>>     switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or
>>     down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so
>>     you understand how they operate:
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be>
>>     When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>     phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>>     descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head
>>     was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design
>>     which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a
>>     speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took
>>     off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to
>>     a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a
>>     counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take
>>     off spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all
>>     these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a
>>     connection to the neutral buss.   Interesting fact was that with
>>     the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic
>>     acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to
>>     the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
>>     wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the
>>     mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side
>>     yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing
>>     unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth
>>     bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at
>>     the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While
>>     I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
>>     against a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to
>>     WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the
>>     ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP
>>     event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual
>>     form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the
>>     compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
>>     better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not
>>     take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.  
>>     By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this
>>     EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>>     -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>>     understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the
>>     situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>>     residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>>     Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the
>>     one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the
>>     compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>>     discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>
>>     This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>     controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>     starter contactor, both the start and run windings are energized.
>>     When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84
>>     amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened
>>     leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no ground
>>     reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
>>     ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is
>>     something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for
>>     yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest
>>     and less expensive to replicate. Most current available
>>     reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via
>>     toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up
>>     circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of
>>     ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
>>     transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!  
>>     Now Mick, what do you not understand??   I was just too curious
>>     to let this go by without finding an answer. Just remember the
>>     Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>
>>     On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norm,
>>>
>>>     So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>     start cap or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a
>>>     ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or
>>>     can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground
>>>     rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive
>>>     coupling is negligible.
>>>
>>>     Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>     side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>     center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>     bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>     transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>     through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>     importance that plays into the event.
>>>
>>>     On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>     relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>     service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>>     A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>     bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had
>>>>     a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>     installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
>>>>     amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>>     discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>>     power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit.  This
>>>>     energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor
>>>>     windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there is
>>>>     capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
>>>>     capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did
>>>>     the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a
>>>>     clients back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling
>>>>     fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on
>>>>     the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the
>>>>     reversing switch is in transition.  Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>>     How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>     start cap from energizing?
>>>>>
>>>>>     When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>     did you extract the differential, from the green wire running
>>>>>     back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from
>>>>>     the motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or
>>>>>     somewhere else?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>     isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>     insulation  as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and
>>>>>     on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>     discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>     saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>     switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going on here, head
>>>>>     on backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>     So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>     series LC hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required
>>>>>>     inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or
>>>>>>     locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is
>>>>>>     only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in
>>>>>>     locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC
>>>>>>     input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the
>>>>>>     magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the
>>>>>>     impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only
>>>>>>     limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>>>>>     has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value
>>>>>>     of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting
>>>>>>     relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form
>>>>>>     ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and
>>>>>>     motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth
>>>>>>     ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded.
>>>>>>     Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
>>>>>>     ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla
>>>>>>     himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>     This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>     magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>     (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>     between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working
>>>>>>>     neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>     field speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>     rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the
>>>>>>>     rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with
>>>>>>>     least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most
>>>>>>>     amount of slip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>     additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>     beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>>         my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>         come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>         combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>         First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>         the following articles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>         <http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>         <https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>>         at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>>>>>>         LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>         application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>>>>>>         cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor
>>>>>>>>         which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which
>>>>>>>>         will give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>>         LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>>>>>         free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>>         solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>>>>>>>         switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>>         frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the
>>>>>>>>         solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>>         condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on
>>>>>>>>         yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>>         wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>         motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>>         have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>         give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We
>>>>>>>>         know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>>         solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>>         building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>>         spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>>>>>         send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>>>>         switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the
>>>>>>>>         SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>         over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>>>>>>         about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>         otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>         the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>         from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>         resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>         standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>         discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>         in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>         occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>         into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>         eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>         work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>>>>>>         and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>>         owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>         should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>         capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>         it to an active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>>         just one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>>>>         The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>>         load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>         from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>>         between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>>         pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>>>         parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Regards
>>>>>>>>>>         Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>         terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>         patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>         from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>>         resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>>         standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>         discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>>         in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>>         occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>>         into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>             cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>             about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>             (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>             <https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf>):
>>>>>>>>>>>             "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>             connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>             is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>             parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>             Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>             produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>             output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>             alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>>             electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>>>>>>>             input."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>             oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>             voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>             between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>             reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>             videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>             knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>             voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>             (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>                   part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>                   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>             1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>>                   part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>                   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>             10K views5 years ago
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Norm,

OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup again...


On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You are
> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer. 
> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally
> isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED)
> from any ground reference.  Energy simply cannot vanish into empty
> space.   My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the isolation condition
> and when the energy was annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor
> energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from the earth side of the
> circuit.  To hell with the source, for once the inductor is flux
> loaded, to saturation and capacitors are charged, then the source is
> totally out of the equation. Once that starting contactor opens the
> source is no longer a factor.  In all of my trials with this, I have
> never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material nor damage
> to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in the form of a
> very high freq (RF event) with very high current but no damage to
> small appliance motors.  I lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a
> power distribution sub station just down the street from me. Numerous
> times during lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old
> top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject
> tape, get half way and reverse and put tape back down as before it
> started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation.  This was sort of the same EMP
> neutral side surge which affected the tape drive mechanism.  People
> see the sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they
> happen!      Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done on
> the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>
> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
>> event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
>> questions. Everything here is understood.  My question had to do with
>> the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't
>> understand just that I like things to be very succinct in my small
>> brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit including all E
>> and B field connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
>> experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
>> connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up the
>> other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation many
>> times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
>> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and
>> magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>
>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale
>> while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an
>> inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best
>> way to move forward on the source side without burning up any more
>> devices or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso
>> transformer with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the
>> center tap in order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on
>> source side in the first place not just the ground rod on the sink
>> side of the experiment.  Otherwise part two will require a giant
>> stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to
>> streamline and keep expenses low.
>>
>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>
>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with
>> Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I
>> have never uncovered it.
>>
>> Thank again!
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>> something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack
>>> of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go back to
>>> the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor
>>> problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly
>>> wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral side of the
>>> circuit which provided a total isolation of charge while the switch
>>> was in transition from forward operation  to reverse operation.
>>> Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first encounter with
>>> the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a
>>> Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
>>> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always
>>> been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as
>>> we clearly see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back
>>> in the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon
>>> again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive
>>> Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV
>>> system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and said  she had a
>>> Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to
>>> sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both
>>> started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up. 
>>> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that
>>> switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down
>>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you
>>> understand how they operate: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be     
>>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
>>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half
>>> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered
>>> turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off
>>> ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design
>>> speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! The
>>> turbine took several minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit
>>> downstairs found that a small appliance like a counter top blender
>>> in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning backwards
>>> then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had when
>>> sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral
>>> buss.   Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor
>>> windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed
>>> (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the
>>> mains breakers and house wiring including the service cabelling and
>>> earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While
>>> walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton
>>> A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units
>>> were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft.
>>> ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single
>>> phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to
>>> start against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to
>>> WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground
>>> took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP event which
>>> caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of energy. 
>>> The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and rectified the
>>> situation but I came away with a better understanding a very common
>>> phenomenon that most do not take time to fully understand nor
>>> appreciate the implications.   By studing the ongoing research of
>>> the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic
>>> storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
>>> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to
>>> bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984
>>> at the Sharp residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and
>>> Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just
>>> like the one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the
>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>
>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled
>>> by current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter
>>> contactor, both the start and run windings are energized. When the
>>> Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps (
>>> motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the
>>> stored energy in total isolation with no ground reference.  A
>>> NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT
>>> PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is something anyone can
>>> duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible
>>> ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
>>> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the
>>> electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse
>>> rotation.  All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap
>>> so that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral)
>>> while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several times
>>> and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not
>>> understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by without
>>> finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
>>> destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start
>>>> cap or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod
>>>> near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one
>>>> next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's
>>>> deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>
>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>> bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10
>>>>> ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>> installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84
>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit.  This energy
>>>>> is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor windings
>>>>> and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there is
>>>>> capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance
>>>>> and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on
>>>>> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back
>>>>> yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be
>>>>> done by anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing
>>>>> capacitor in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is
>>>>> in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start
>>>>>> cap from energizing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did
>>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back to
>>>>>> the service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor
>>>>>> frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated
>>>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you
>>>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by
>>>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate
>>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to
>>>>>> turn on.  Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series
>>>>>> LC hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder
>>>>>>> for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked
>>>>>>> rotor conditions, the current through the windings is only
>>>>>>> limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked
>>>>>>> rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input.
>>>>>>> When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
>>>>>>> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to
>>>>>>> Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole).
>>>>>>> I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap value of
>>>>>>> 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in
>>>>>>> circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding
>>>>>>> the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it
>>>>>>> to work, the caps and motor windings have to be isolated from
>>>>>>> neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is
>>>>>>> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an
>>>>>>> EMP earth ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by
>>>>>>> Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This
>>>>>>>> is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between
>>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as
>>>>>>>> motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor
>>>>>>>> is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount
>>>>>>>> of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come
>>>>>>>>>     up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>>     combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>>     First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>     the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>>>>     K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ
>>>>>>>>>     free generator.  What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>>     application of DC motor principles as read from the cited
>>>>>>>>>     references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is
>>>>>>>>>     in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the
>>>>>>>>>     necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator
>>>>>>>>>     (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>>     the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled
>>>>>>>>>     by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion
>>>>>>>>>     rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>>>>>>>>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>>>>     in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
>>>>>>>>>     light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts
>>>>>>>>>     out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following
>>>>>>>>>     the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver,
>>>>>>>>>     you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should
>>>>>>>>>     give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
>>>>>>>>>     as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
>>>>>>>>>     power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>>>>>>>>>     saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral
>>>>>>>>>     Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>>>>>>     ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>>>>     diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>>     naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting
>>>>>>>>>     concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV
>>>>>>>>>     caps)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>>>>     core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>     load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>     wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just
>>>>>>>>>>>     heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>     load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>>>     transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>>>>>>>>>>     storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or
>>>>>>>>>>>     battery) and then dumping it to an active load will
>>>>>>>>>>>     still make the power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>>     though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving
>>>>>>>>>>>     from the source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>>>     energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
>>>>>>>>>>>     power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>>>>>     LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of
>>>>>>>>>>>     the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>     terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>     just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>     load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>     wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>     claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what
>>>>>>>>>>>>         he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>         connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage across the inductor connected in parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>         to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>         single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>>         electromagnetic power output, increasing the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>         output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>>>>>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>>         energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>         oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>         it will show some phase displacement between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         current and voltage which means reactive power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Look at the following small videos to see how one
>>>>>>>>>>>>         can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>>>>>>>>>         the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>>         part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>               3. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>               2. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>
>

Norm good article  you might just copy and file it away with a short cut
link so when some one needs a refresher it's just a click away for you
.Yahoo isn't workable for many. Of us and this will disappear like the dew
on the grass when the sun comes up  . it's a little to good to have It
vanish .away . thinks for your input your appreciated .

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this event.
> Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive questions. Everything
> here is understood.  My question had to do with the source side of the
> whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
> things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was trying to map
> out the circuit including all E and B field connections in order that for
> instance the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
> source without connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought
> up the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation
> many times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale while
> using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an inverter
> driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best way to move
> forward on the source side without burning up any more devices or at least
> a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center
> tap and ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is the
> magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment.  Otherwise part two will
> require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying
> to streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the why
> of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile. Sorry to
> offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with Yahoo
> and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I have never
> uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something
> over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack of understanding
> the whole project.   First you have to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan,
> 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A wiring error by a
> Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch
> into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
> charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to
> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first
> encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was
> a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always been
> taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
> see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory
> bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984.
> A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and
> I had installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and
> said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and
> told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector
> both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching
> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down against limit
> switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
> operate:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half way
> down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo
> ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG ,
> super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big
> problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
> coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like
> a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off
> spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had
> when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.
> Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor windings and
> sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel.
> All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new
> installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton
> unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10
> ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single
> phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
> against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP
> shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2
> second.  This was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss
> to carry this very unusual form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and
> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to
> fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the ongoing
> research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar
> magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench
> top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
> residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting,
> I had many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C
> unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked up
> sealed unit See:
>
> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
> current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, both
> the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current relay
> senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation)
> the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
> ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is something
> anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself.  The
> reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have
> to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary
> loss of ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick,
> what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by
> without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
> destroyed but it can change forms.
>
> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
> seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
> equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
> pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.
> At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
> coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap neutral
> back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the service.  Since
> it is on the sink side of the transformer from the utility there is a
> direct path to ground through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance
> whatever importance that plays into the event.
> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative to
> stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 3
> conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC
> (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In
> addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
> outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84
> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the
> charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
> capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due to
> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here
> and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on
> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy
> to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap from
> energizing?
>
> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the service
> panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where the ground
> bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>
> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink side
> from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned earlier
> there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap in the pole
> pig?
>
> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we discussed
> earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the core and release,
> or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going
> on here, head on backwards.
>
> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
> hmmm...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for counter
> emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the
> current through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual
> winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @
> 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air
> value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a
> value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay
> drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto
> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be
> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is
> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also
> known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s)
> of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no
> power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
> working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is
> in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the
> rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am
> reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted
> definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor
> experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
> motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following
> articles:
>
> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-
> motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-
> of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_
> running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics
> and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will
> propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the
> cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality
> a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to
> drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
> free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by
> Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
> tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
> light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
> output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as
> applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
> The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
> as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
> as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
> spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
> ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
> capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
> over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm
> Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Ole,
>
> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it
> could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an
> air inductor.
>
> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?"
>
> Yes that's correct.
>
> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power
> that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant
> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
> transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in
> a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load
> will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens
> in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive
> power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
> power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
> reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
> components and wires.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not
> concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>
> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
>
>
>
> I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
> applicant knows about what he is writing.
>
> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (
> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/
> US20070296373A1.pdf):
> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the
> capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
> the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces
> two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output.
> In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic
> power output with less energy input."
>
>
>
> It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the
> current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the
> current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small
> videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
> the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>
> 0:42
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
> 9.5K views5 years ago
> 1:01
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
> 10K views5 years ago
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Norm who were you talking to ?
The Bedini ground was just a source to drag up more electrons past the
diodes going to the caps in response to the hivoltage pluse .

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup again...
>
>
> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You are
> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.  Simply
> put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally isolated
> charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground
> reference.  Energy simply cannot vanish into empty space.   My 5 HP motor
> experiment accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
> annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP
> response from the earth side of the circuit.  To hell with the source, for
> once the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are charged,
> then the source is totally out of the equation. Once that starting
> contactor opens the source is no longer a factor.  In all of my trials with
> this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material nor
> damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in the form of a
> very high freq (RF event) with very high current but no damage to small
> appliance motors.  I lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power
> distribution sub station just down the street from me. Numerous times
> during lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader,
> (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get half way
> and reverse and put tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle
> operation.  This was sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected
> the tape drive mechanism.  People see the sort of thing but are not smart
> enough to question why they happen!      Sorry to say that most of my
> experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this event.
> Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive questions. Everything
> here is understood.  My question had to do with the source side of the
> whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
> things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was trying to map
> out the circuit including all E and B field connections in order that for
> instance the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
> source without connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought
> up the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation
> many times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale while
> using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an inverter
> driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best way to move
> forward on the source side without burning up any more devices or at least
> a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center
> tap and ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is the
> magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment.  Otherwise part two will
> require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying
> to streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the why
> of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile. Sorry to
> offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with Yahoo
> and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I have never
> uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something
> over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack of understanding
> the whole project.   First you have to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan,
> 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A wiring error by a
> Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch
> into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
> charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to
> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first
> encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was
> a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always been
> taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
> see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory
> bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984.
> A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and
> I had installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and
> said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and
> told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector
> both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching
> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down against limit
> switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
> operate:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half way
> down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo
> ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG ,
> super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big
> problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
> coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like
> a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off
> spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had
> when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.
> Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor windings and
> sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel.
> All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new
> installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton
> unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10
> ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single
> phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
> against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP
> shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2
> second.  This was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss
> to carry this very unusual form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and
> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to
> fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the ongoing
> research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar
> magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench
> top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
> residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting,
> I had many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C
> unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked up
> sealed unit See:
>
> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
> current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, both
> the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current relay
> senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation)
> the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
> ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is something
> anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself.  The
> reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have
> to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary
> loss of ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick,
> what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by
> without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
> destroyed but it can change forms.
>
> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
> seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
> equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
> pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.
> At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
> coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap neutral
> back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the service.  Since
> it is on the sink side of the transformer from the utility there is a
> direct path to ground through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance
> whatever importance that plays into the event.
> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative to
> stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 3
> conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC
> (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In
> addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
> outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84
> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the
> charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
> capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due to
> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here
> and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on
> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy
> to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap from
> energizing?
>
> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the service
> panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where the ground
> bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>
> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink side
> from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned earlier
> there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap in the pole
> pig?
>
> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we discussed
> earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the core and release,
> or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going
> on here, head on backwards.
>
> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
> hmmm...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for counter
> emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the
> current through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual
> winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @
> 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air
> value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a
> value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay
> drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto
> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be
> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is
> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also
> known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s)
> of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no
> power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
> working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is
> in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the
> rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am
> reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted
> definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor
> experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
> motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following
> articles:
>
> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-
> motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-
> of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_
> running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics
> and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will
> propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the
> cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality
> a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to
> drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
> free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by
> Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
> tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
> light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
> output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as
> applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
> The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
> as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
> as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
> spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
> ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
> capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
> over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm
> Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Ole,
>
> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it
> could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an
> air inductor.
>
> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?"
>
> Yes that's correct.
>
> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power
> that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant
> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
> transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in
> a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load
> will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens
> in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive
> power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
> power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
> reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
> components and wires.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not
> concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>
> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
>
>
>
> I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
> applicant knows about what he is writing.
>
> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (
> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/
> US20070296373A1.pdf):
> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the
> capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
> the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces
> two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output.
> In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic
> power output with less energy input."
>
>
>
> It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the
> current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the
> current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small
> videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
> the current and
>
>

Mick!  I see now that you are attempting to get a SOURCE that is 
isolated so that you may be able to sustain the EMP pulse event. 
Battery/ inverter set up.  If you use the EMP non nuclear device as an 
example you see that it is a one shot device since the long solenoid 
coil is progressively shorted by ultra high speed explosives while super 
saturated via capacitor discharge. See: 
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f20b/94c86b9620166bdb82556b5be93261c80c64.pdf 
All with device in total isolation from earth reference ground. Believe 
it or not, Tesla advocated this technique when he discussed taking pure 
iron into a state of super saturation (coil core) which Ole will attest 
to that the impedance drops to an air value.  Doug was hitting on this 
with his coil shorting routine. The Hyde Generator was a variable 
capacitor machine and this is a variable inductance device.  Please read 
how the current is amplified in the MFCG.    In the Hyde generator, when 
the value of C is reduced there is a multiplication of the voltage 
(amplification). In the MFCG, when the value of L is taken to zero in a 
saturated state the current is multiplied (Amplification). Thanks for 
you effort!   You will get there when armed with knowledge as to how 
this all works!   Norm

On 11/20/2018 7:23 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup 
> again...
>
>
> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You are 
>> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.  
>> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally 
>> isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED) 
>> from any ground reference.  Energy simply cannot vanish into empty 
>> space.   My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the isolation 
>> condition and when the energy was annihilated, inductor energy & 
>> capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from the earth 
>> side of the circuit.  To hell with the source, for once the inductor 
>> is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are charged, then the 
>> source is totally out of the equation. Once that starting contactor 
>> opens the source is no longer a factor.  In all of my trials with 
>> this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric 
>> material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is 
>> in the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very high current but 
>> no damage to small appliance motors.  I lived in a Dallas 
>> neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station just down the 
>> street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms I had been 
>> awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism 
>> start up and start to eject tape, get half way and reverse and put 
>> tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation.  
>> This was sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected the 
>> tape drive mechanism.  People see the sort of thing but are not smart 
>> enough to question why they happen!      Sorry to say that most of my 
>> experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this 
>>> event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive 
>>> questions. Everything here is understood.  My question had to do 
>>> with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I 
>>> don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in my 
>>> small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit including 
>>> all E and B field connections in order that for instance the ceiling 
>>> fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without 
>>> connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up the 
>>> other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation 
>>> many times but seem to have left out the functions from the source 
>>> side of the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment 
>>> and magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>
>>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale 
>>> while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an 
>>> inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best 
>>> way to move forward on the source side without burning up any more 
>>> devices or at least a minimum so.  I think I need to procure an iso 
>>> transformer with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the 
>>> center tap in order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on 
>>> source side in the first place not just the ground rod on the sink 
>>> side of the experiment.  Otherwise part two will require a giant 
>>> stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to 
>>> streamline and keep expenses low.
>>>
>>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys 
>>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and 
>>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>
>>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with 
>>> Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event 
>>> I have never uncovered it.
>>>
>>> Thank again!
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain 
>>>> something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for 
>>>> lack of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go 
>>>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole 
>>>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker 
>>>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral 
>>>> side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge 
>>>> while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to 
>>>> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my 
>>>> first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and 
>>>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, 
>>>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics 
>>>> we have always been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can 
>>>> change forms as we clearly see by simple experiment. With this 
>>>> knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion to 
>>>> encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had 
>>>> remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had 
>>>> installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called 
>>>> and said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she 
>>>> served tea and told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV 
>>>> screen and projector both started descending from the ceiling then 
>>>> reversed and went back up.  Both these motors were shaded pole, 
>>>> capacitor run design so that switching via wall switch could 
>>>> reverse operation, either up or down against limit switches. Here 
>>>> is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they operate: 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When I 
>>>> went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon 
>>>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half 
>>>> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered 
>>>> turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off 
>>>> ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X 
>>>> design speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! 
>>>> The turbine took several minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit 
>>>> downstairs found that a small appliance like a counter top blender 
>>>> in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning 
>>>> backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had 
>>>> when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral 
>>>> buss.   Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor 
>>>> windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed 
>>>> (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the 
>>>> mains breakers and house wiring including the service cabelling and 
>>>> earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While 
>>>> walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton 
>>>> A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both 
>>>> units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 
>>>> ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single 
>>>> phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried 
>>>> to start against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure 
>>>> to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the 
>>>> ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP event 
>>>> which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of 
>>>> energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and 
>>>> rectified the situation but I came away with a better understanding 
>>>> a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to fully 
>>>> understand nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the 
>>>> ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon 
>>>> from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which 
>>>> have been duplicated in Labs gathering better understanding of 
>>>> phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the situation which I 
>>>> had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp residence. Since I was doing 
>>>> HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting, I had many 
>>>> compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C 
>>>> unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil 
>>>> and pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully 
>>>> locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>
>>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled 
>>>> by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter 
>>>> contactor, both the start and run windings are energized. When the 
>>>> Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( 
>>>> motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the 
>>>> stored energy in total isolation with no ground reference.  A 
>>>> NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX 
>>>> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is 
>>>> something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for 
>>>> yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest 
>>>> and less expensive to replicate. Most current available reversible 
>>>> fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch 
>>>> to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up circuit and 
>>>> re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of ground 
>>>> reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit. 
>>>> Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, 
>>>> what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this 
>>>> go by without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy 
>>>> cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start 
>>>>> cap or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod 
>>>>> near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall 
>>>>> one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn 
>>>>> that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is 
>>>>> negligible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply 
>>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to 
>>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground 
>>>>> bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the 
>>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground 
>>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever 
>>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion 
>>>>>> relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were 
>>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to 
>>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth 
>>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 
>>>>>> ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor 
>>>>>> installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84 
>>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to 
>>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive 
>>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit.  This 
>>>>>> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor 
>>>>>> windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there is 
>>>>>> capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance 
>>>>>> and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on 
>>>>>> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back 
>>>>>> yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can 
>>>>>> be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing 
>>>>>> capacitor in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is 
>>>>>> in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the 
>>>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did 
>>>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back 
>>>>>>> to the service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor 
>>>>>>> frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated 
>>>>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you 
>>>>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by 
>>>>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we 
>>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate 
>>>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to 
>>>>>>> turn on.  Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a 
>>>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder 
>>>>>>>> for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked 
>>>>>>>> rotor conditions, the current through the windings is only 
>>>>>>>> limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked 
>>>>>>>> rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. 
>>>>>>>> When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic 
>>>>>>>> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to 
>>>>>>>> Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). 
>>>>>>>> I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap value 
>>>>>>>> of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are 
>>>>>>>> in circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open 
>>>>>>>> yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric 
>>>>>>>> effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be 
>>>>>>>> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron 
>>>>>>>> motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in 
>>>>>>>> isolation will create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes 
>>>>>>>> back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. 
>>>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating 
>>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor 
>>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between 
>>>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as 
>>>>>>>>> motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating 
>>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked 
>>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor 
>>>>>>>>> is locked to the rotational field from stator with least 
>>>>>>>>> amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount 
>>>>>>>>> of slip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any 
>>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring 
>>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>>>>     my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>>>>     come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>>>     combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>>>     First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>>     the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>>>>     at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ
>>>>>>>>>>     free generator.  What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>>>     application of DC motor principles as read from the cited
>>>>>>>>>>     references. First you make your LENZ free motor which is
>>>>>>>>>>     in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the
>>>>>>>>>>     necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator
>>>>>>>>>>     (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>>>     the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by
>>>>>>>>>>     Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion
>>>>>>>>>>     rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>>>>>>>>>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into
>>>>>>>>>>     being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>>>>>>     Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>>>>>     generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ
>>>>>>>>>>     drag. Following the DC motor principles as applied to the
>>>>>>>>>>     solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
>>>>>>>>>>     The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>>>>>>>>>     tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you
>>>>>>>>>>     switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>>>>>>     is building toward saturation there will be a huge
>>>>>>>>>>     voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture
>>>>>>>>>>     and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid
>>>>>>>>>>     state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the
>>>>>>>>>>     SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>>>     over-unity factor here! Interesting concept!  Think about
>>>>>>>>>>     it! Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>>>>     the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>>     load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>>     wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>     If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>>>>>     you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>>>>     the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just
>>>>>>>>>>>>     heats the wires between the power plant and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     power transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or
>>>>>>>>>>>>     battery) and then dumping it to an active load will
>>>>>>>>>>>>     still make the power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>>>     though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     energy moving to and from the load and power source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in
>>>>>>>>>>>>     an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because
>>>>>>>>>>>>     of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>     terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>     from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>>     load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>>     wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>     If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>>>>>     you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>     correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         voltage across the inductor connected in parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         electromagnetic power output, increasing the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         it will show some phase displacement between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         current and voltage which means reactive power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Look at the following small videos to see how one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               3. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>               2. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>

Thanks! James, I am very well versed on all of Bedini's work. Welcome to 
the Mick & Norm conversation for all input is welcome!   All of this 
goes way, way back to 1899 when Tesla was into improving Telegraphy.

On 11/20/2018 8:30 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm who were you talking to ?
>
> The Bedini ground was just a source to drag up more electrons past the 
> diodes going to the caps in response to the hivoltage pluse .
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Norm,
>
>     OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup
>     again...
>
>
>     On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET.  You
>>     are dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the
>>     answer.  Simply put, you have to create the condition where you
>>     have a totally isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors
>>     (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground reference.  Energy simply
>>     cannot vanish into empty space.   My 5 HP motor experiment
>>     accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
>>     annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got
>>     the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit.  To hell
>>     with the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to
>>     saturation and capacitors are charged, then the source is totally
>>     out of the equation. Once that starting contactor opens the
>>     source is no longer a factor. In all of my trials with this, I
>>     have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material
>>     nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in
>>     the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very high current
>>     but no damage to small appliance motors.  I lived in a Dallas
>>     neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station just down
>>     the street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms I had
>>     been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape
>>     mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get half way and
>>     reverse and put tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2
>>     cycle operation.  This was sort of the same EMP neutral side
>>     surge which affected the tape drive mechanism.  People see the
>>     sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they
>>     happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done on
>>     the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>>
>>     On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norm,
>>>
>>>     Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering
>>>     this event.  Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like
>>>     repetitive questions. Everything here is understood.  My
>>>     question had to do with the source side of the whole systemic
>>>     occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
>>>     things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was
>>>     trying to map out the circuit including all E and B field
>>>     connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
>>>     experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
>>>     connection to the utility.  In other words the DUH I brought up
>>>     the other week.  You have explained the phenomenon and it's
>>>     creation many times but seem to have left out the functions from
>>>     the source side of the circuit and how that interacts with the
>>>     whole experiment and magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>>
>>>     I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
>>>     scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
>>>     from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to
>>>     determine the best way to move forward on the source side
>>>     without burning up any more devices or at least a minimum so.  I
>>>     think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center tap and
>>>     ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is
>>>     the magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first
>>>     place not just the ground rod on the sink side of the
>>>     experiment. Otherwise part two will require a giant stepdown of
>>>     similar proportions to a pole pig.  Just trying to streamline
>>>     and keep expenses low.
>>>
>>>     I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather
>>>     conveys the why of my question which I can see seemed to be
>>>     circular and puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>>
>>>     By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
>>>     with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral
>>>     spike event I have never uncovered it.
>>>
>>>     Thank again!
>>>
>>>     On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>>>     something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for
>>>>     lack of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go
>>>>     back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded
>>>>     pole motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>>>>     incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the
>>>>     neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
>>>>     charge while the switch was in transition from forward
>>>>     operation  to reverse operation. Reversing switch would
>>>>     explode.  This was my first encounter with the phenomenon which
>>>>     I researched and determined that it was a Magneto-Electric
>>>>     effect or better put, Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as
>>>>     we now know it. In Physics we have always been taught that
>>>>     energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
>>>>     see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in
>>>>     the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this
>>>>     phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled
>>>>     her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a
>>>>     projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and said
>>>>     she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea
>>>>     and told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen
>>>>     and projector both started descending from the ceiling then
>>>>     reversed and went back up.  Both these motors were shaded pole,
>>>>     capacitor run design so that switching via wall switch could
>>>>     reverse operation, either up or down against limit switches.
>>>>     Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
>>>>     operate:
>>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>     When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>>>>     phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>>>>     descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my
>>>>     head was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole
>>>>     design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up
>>>>     to a speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that
>>>>     it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
>>>>     coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small
>>>>     appliance like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded
>>>>     pole motor) would take off spinning backwards then stop.  The
>>>>     only connection that all these motor had when sitting in a
>>>>     turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.  
>>>>     Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor
>>>>     windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high
>>>>     speed (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an
>>>>     inspection to the mains breakers and house wiring including the
>>>>     service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel. All was
>>>>     up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand
>>>>     new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to
>>>>     the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via the
>>>>     Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units. 
>>>>     Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase. While I was
>>>>     looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a
>>>>     locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP,
>>>>     EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took
>>>>     about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP event which
>>>>     caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of
>>>>     energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and
>>>>     rectified the situation but I came away with a better
>>>>     understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take
>>>>     time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By
>>>>     studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this
>>>>     EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>>>>     -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>>>>     understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate
>>>>     the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>>>>     residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>>>>     Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like
>>>>     the one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the
>>>>     compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction
>>>>     and discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>>
>>>>     This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>>>>     controlled by current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>>>>     starter contactor, both the start and run windings are
>>>>     energized. When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor
>>>>     current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit
>>>>     is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
>>>>     ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC
>>>>     FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This
>>>>     experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
>>>>     phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the
>>>>     simplest and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most
>>>>     current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
>>>>     capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation. 
>>>>     All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so
>>>>     that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral)
>>>>     while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several
>>>>     times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not
>>>>     understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by without
>>>>     finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
>>>>     destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>>     So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>>>>     start cap or seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a
>>>>>     ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen
>>>>>     or can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet
>>>>>     ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the
>>>>>     capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>>>     side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>>>     center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>>>     bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>>>     transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>>>     through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>>>     importance that plays into the event.
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>>>     relative to stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>>>     service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect
>>>>>>     to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green
>>>>>>     earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition,
>>>>>>     you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
>>>>>>     outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current
>>>>>>     relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO
>>>>>>     GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux
>>>>>>     sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors
>>>>>>     in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due to
>>>>>>     insulation in the motor windings and capacitors. Ole will
>>>>>>     jump in here and say there is capacitive coupling between
>>>>>>     motor frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at
>>>>>>     saturation.    I built and did the test on this phenomenon
>>>>>>     after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy to
>>>>>>     duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by
>>>>>>     anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor
>>>>>>     in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is in
>>>>>>     transition. Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>>>>     start cap from energizing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>>>>     did you extract the differential, from the green wire
>>>>>>>     running back to the service panel or another grounding rod
>>>>>>>     and from the motor frame where the ground bonding clip
>>>>>>>     usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>>>>     isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>>>>     insulation  as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral
>>>>>>>     and on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as
>>>>>>>     we discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>>>>     saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>>>>     switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going on here,
>>>>>>>     head on backwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>>>>     series LC hmmm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>>>>     inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor
>>>>>>>>     or locked rotor conditions, the current through the
>>>>>>>>     windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding
>>>>>>>>     5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of
>>>>>>>>     84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a
>>>>>>>>     scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at
>>>>>>>>     which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R
>>>>>>>>     being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
>>>>>>>>     winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and
>>>>>>>>     a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in
>>>>>>>>     circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open
>>>>>>>>     yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric
>>>>>>>>     effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to
>>>>>>>>     be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference. the
>>>>>>>>     iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in
>>>>>>>>     isolation will create an EMP earth ground response.  This
>>>>>>>>     goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>>>>     This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>>>     magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>>>     (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>>>>     between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
>>>>>>>>>     working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>>>     field speed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of
>>>>>>>>>     locked rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was
>>>>>>>>>     when the rotor is locked to the rotational field from
>>>>>>>>>     stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading
>>>>>>>>>     now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>>>     additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>>>     beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Mick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>>>>>         about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>         reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor
>>>>>>>>>>         / generator combination which is so easy to build and
>>>>>>>>>>         proof test! First of all you should read what we know
>>>>>>>>>>         as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>>         <http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>>         <https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>>>>>         found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the
>>>>>>>>>>         Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose is
>>>>>>>>>>         very simple application of DC motor principles as
>>>>>>>>>>         read from the cited references. First you make your
>>>>>>>>>>         LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>>>>>>>>         (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke
>>>>>>>>>>         length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>>>         oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>>>         the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>>>>>>>         controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>>>>>>         give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60
>>>>>>>>>>         HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil
>>>>>>>>>>         it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition,
>>>>>>>>>>         thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??  
>>>>>>>>>>         We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>>>>         output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor
>>>>>>>>>>         principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>>>>         have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>>>         give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We
>>>>>>>>>>         know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>>>>         solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>>>>         building toward saturation there will be a huge
>>>>>>>>>>         voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>>>>         capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice
>>>>>>>>>>         in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
>>>>>>>>>>         capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>>>         naturally will be the over-unity factor here!
>>>>>>>>>>         Interesting concept! Think about it!  Norm Mick!
>>>>>>>>>>         (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>>>>>         than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>         noise in the core material as I was no using an air
>>>>>>>>>>>         inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>         disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>         discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>         energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>         recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>         claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>         correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>         eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>>>>         work but just heats the wires between the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>         plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for
>>>>>>>>>>>>         the owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>         should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>         capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>>>>         it to an active load will still make the power go
>>>>>>>>>>>>         in just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>>>>>         pulses. The energy is then moving from the source
>>>>>>>>>>>>         to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>         to and from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>>>>>>>         moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>         LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss
>>>>>>>>>>>>         because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>         terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>>         disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>>         discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>>         energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>>>>>         recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>         claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>>         correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>         On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>>         <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             <https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             alternative, the present disclosure may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>             knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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