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Norm,
So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt
nap. At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap
neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the
service. Since it is on the sink side of the transformer from the
utility there is a direct path to ground through a certain
impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever importance that plays into
the event.
On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative
> to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with
> a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 &
> L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis
> frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to
> bond this outdoor installation for safety reasons. When
> over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO
> GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration
> (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit. This
> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor windings
> and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there is capacitive
> coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic
> flux at saturation. I built and did the test on this phenomenon
> after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard. Easy to
> duplicate! The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap
>> from energizing?
>>
>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
>> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the
>> service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where
>> the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>
>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink
>> side from the stator windings by their insulation as you mentioned
>> earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap
>> in the pole pig?
>>
>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the
>> core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.
>> Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>
>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
>> hmmm...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder for
>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor
>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R =
>>> resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined
>>> current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH
>>> curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at
>>> which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the
>>> only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5
>>> mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops
>>> circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto
>>> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to
>>> be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference. the iron motor
>>> frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will
>>> create an EMP earth ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of
>>> CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is
>>>> also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>
>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic
>>>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor)
>>>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator.
>>>> The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>>>
>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor
>>>> was/is in error. Always thought this was when the rotor is locked
>>>> to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip,
>>>> seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
>>>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday
>>>> accepted definition?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mick
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>> Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>>> with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination
>>>>> which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>> should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>
>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>>>> Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>> generator. What I will propose is very simple application of
>>>>> DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First
>>>>> you make your LENZ free motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>> MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length
>>>>> to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>>>> drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>> solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>> give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By
>>>>> using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked
>>>>> into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.
>>>>> Has the light come on yet?? We know that Ray's generator
>>>>> puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>>> the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>> have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>> Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We know as Ole will
>>>>> agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
>>>>> as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>> huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture
>>>>> and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>> switch design (snubber diodes) The capture of the SPIKE
>>>>> energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>> factor here! Interesting concept! Think about it! Norm
>>>>> Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>> core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>> the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>> reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the reactive
>>>>>>> energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
>>>>>>> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive
>>>>>>> back into real power?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>>>> reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>>> wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>> expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>>>> thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>> capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>> active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>>> direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>> then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has
>>>>>>> the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
>>>>>>> power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>> LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>> parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>>>> and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>>>> high Q tank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>> the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>> reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the reactive
>>>>>>> energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
>>>>>>> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive
>>>>>>> back into real power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>> below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is
>>>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected
>>>>>>>> in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>> the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>> Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>> produces two branches of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>> increasing the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>> present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>> output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>> for measuring the current and voltage it will show some
>>>>>>>> phase displacement between the current and voltage
>>>>>>>> which means reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how
>>>>>>>> the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the
>>>>>>>> the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R
>>>>>>>> in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>
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