Body
I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.
Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally
isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from
any ground reference. Energy simply cannot vanish into empty space.
My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the isolation condition and when
the energy was annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled
, I got the EMP response from the earth side of the circuit. To hell
with the source, for once the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and
capacitors are charged, then the source is totally out of the equation.
Once that starting contactor opens the source is no longer a factor. In
all of my trials with this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture
of dielectric material nor damage to any wiring, no matter how small.
The energy is in the form of a very high freq (RF event) with very high
current but no damage to small appliance motors. I lived in a Dallas
neighborhood that had a power distribution sub station just down the
street from me. Numerous times during lightning storms I had been
awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism
start up and start to eject tape, get half way and reverse and put tape
back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation. This was
sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected the tape drive
mechanism. People see the sort of thing but are not smart enough to
question why they happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation
was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
> event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
> questions. Everything here is understood. My question had to do with
> the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't
> understand just that I like things to be very succinct in my small
> brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit including all E
> and B field connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
> experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
> connection to the utility. In other words the DUH I brought up the
> other week. You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation many
> times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and
> magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale
> while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an
> inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best
> way to move forward on the source side without burning up any more
> devices or at least a minimum so. I think I need to procure an iso
> transformer with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the
> center tap in order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on
> source side in the first place not just the ground rod on the sink
> side of the experiment. Otherwise part two will require a giant
> stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig. Just trying to
> streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the
> why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile.
> Sorry to offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with
> Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I
> have never uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
>
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for lack
>> of understanding the whole project. First you have to go back to
>> the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor
>> problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly
>> wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral side of the
>> circuit which provided a total isolation of charge while the switch
>> was in transition from forward operation to reverse operation.
>> Reversing switch would explode. This was my first encounter with the
>> phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a
>> Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
>> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always
>> been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as
>> we clearly see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back
>> in the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon
>> again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive
>> Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV
>> system into her den. MS. Sharp called and said she had a
>> Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to
>> sit there and wait a few minutes. The TV screen and projector both
>> started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
>> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that
>> switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down
>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you
>> understand how they operate:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be When I
>> went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half
>> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered
>> turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off
>> ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design
>> speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine
>> took several minutes to coast down to a stop. A visit downstairs
>> found that a small appliance like a counter top blender in the
>> kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning backwards then
>> stop. The only connection that all these motor had when sitting in a
>> turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss. Interesting
>> fact was that with the very small size motor windings and sudden
>> fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
>> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and
>> house wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the
>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I
>> found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in
>> addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via
>> the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units.
>> Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single phase. While I was looking at
>> the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a locked rotor
>> condition. From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you
>> could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2 second. This
>> was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss to
>> carry this very unusual form of energy. The A/C guys came out and
>> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away
>> with a better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not
>> take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications. By
>> studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP
>> phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the
>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp residence.
>> Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting, I had
>> many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C
>> unit. By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
>> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked
>> up sealed unit See:
>>
>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
>> current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor,
>> both the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current
>> relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic
>> saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total
>> isolation with no ground reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE
>> MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This
>> experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the
>> phenomenon for yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest
>> and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most current available
>> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via
>> toggle switch to reverse rotation. All you have to do is open up
>> circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of
>> ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit.
>> Reverse it several times and you will explode switch! Now Mick,
>> what do you not understand?? I was just too curious to let this go
>> by without finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy
>> cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>
>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start
>>> cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near
>>> pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next
>>> to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper
>>> than a dirt nap. At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>
>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service
>>>> wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit!
>>>> You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to
>>>> motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake
>>>> into earth ground to bond this outdoor installation for safety
>>>> reasons. When over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter
>>>> contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both
>>>> magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
>>>> capacitors in the circuit. This energy is in an isolated state due
>>>> to insulation in the motor windings and capacitors. Ole will jump
>>>> in here and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame
>>>> and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation. I
>>>> built and did the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real
>>>> life in a clients back yard. Easy to duplicate! The reversible
>>>> ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring
>>>> on the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the
>>>> reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start
>>>>> cap from energizing?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did
>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back to
>>>>> the service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor
>>>>> frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated
>>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation as you
>>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by
>>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate
>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn
>>>>> on. Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series
>>>>> LC hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder for
>>>>>> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor
>>>>>> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R
>>>>>> = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a
>>>>>> combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at
>>>>>> the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to
>>>>>> saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value)
>>>>>> with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
>>>>>> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run
>>>>>> cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when
>>>>>> current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral
>>>>>> Spike form ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the
>>>>>> caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and
>>>>>> earth ground reference. the iron motor frame is earth bonded.
>>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
>>>>>> ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This
>>>>>>> is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between
>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as
>>>>>>> motor or generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field
>>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the rotor
>>>>>>> is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount
>>>>>>> of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring beyond
>>>>>>> the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>>> Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come
>>>>>>>> up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>> combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First
>>>>>>>> of all you should read what we know as facts! See the
>>>>>>>> following articles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>>> K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>>>>>> generator. What I will propose is very simple application
>>>>>>>> of DC motor principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>>> First you make your LENZ free motor which is in reality a
>>>>>>>> LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>>>>> stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo
>>>>>>>> magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall
>>>>>>>> sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate
>>>>>>>> (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to
>>>>>>>> drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED
>>>>>>>> ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come
>>>>>>>> on yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor
>>>>>>>> principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>>> motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>> Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We know as Ole
>>>>>>>> will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to
>>>>>>>> off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation
>>>>>>>> there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we
>>>>>>>> have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice
>>>>>>>> in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The capture
>>>>>>>> of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>> over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>>> it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>>> core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>> load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>> modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>> the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just
>>>>>>>>>> heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive
>>>>>>>>>> load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>> transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>>>>>>>>> storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or
>>>>>>>>>> battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still
>>>>>>>>>> make the power go in just one direction even though it
>>>>>>>>>> happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>>> source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving
>>>>>>>>>> to and from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
>>>>>>>>>> reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>>> resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent
>>>>>>>>>> just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>>>>>>> the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>>>>>>> then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>>>>>>> modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>> below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>>>>>>> is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>> voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
>>>>>>>>>>> the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single
>>>>>>>>>>> power input produces two branches of electromagnetic
>>>>>>>>>>> power output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>>>>>>> for measuring the current and voltage it will show
>>>>>>>>>>> some phase displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>> voltage which means reactive power. Look at the
>>>>>>>>>>> following small videos to see how one can be misled
>>>>>>>>>>> if not knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>
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