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Norm,
OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup again...
On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer.
> Simply put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally
> isolated charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED)
> from any ground reference. Energy simply cannot vanish into empty
> space. My 5 HP motor experiment accomplished the isolation condition
> and when the energy was annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor
> energy cancelled , I got the EMP response from the earth side of the
> circuit. To hell with the source, for once the inductor is flux
> loaded, to saturation and capacitors are charged, then the source is
> totally out of the equation. Once that starting contactor opens the
> source is no longer a factor. In all of my trials with this, I have
> never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material nor damage
> to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in the form of a
> very high freq (RF event) with very high current but no damage to
> small appliance motors. I lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a
> power distribution sub station just down the street from me. Numerous
> times during lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old
> top loader, (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject
> tape, get half way and reverse and put tape back down as before it
> started. Like a 1/2 cycle operation. This was sort of the same EMP
> neutral side surge which affected the tape drive mechanism. People
> see the sort of thing but are not smart enough to question why they
> happen! Sorry to say that most of my experimentation was done on
> the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
>
> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
>> event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
>> questions. Everything here is understood. My question had to do with
>> the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't
>> understand just that I like things to be very succinct in my small
>> brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit including all E
>> and B field connections in order that for instance the ceiling fan
>> experiment be replicated from a battery inverter source without
>> connection to the utility. In other words the DUH I brought up the
>> other week. You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation many
>> times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
>> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and
>> magnetic connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>>
>> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale
>> while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an
>> inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best
>> way to move forward on the source side without burning up any more
>> devices or at least a minimum so. I think I need to procure an iso
>> transformer with a center tap and ground it on the sink side to the
>> center tap in order there is the magnetic connection to the earth on
>> source side in the first place not just the ground rod on the sink
>> side of the experiment. Otherwise part two will require a giant
>> stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig. Just trying to
>> streamline and keep expenses low.
>>
>> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
>> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
>> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>>
>> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with
>> Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I
>> have never uncovered it.
>>
>> Thank again!
>>
>> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for lack
>>> of understanding the whole project. First you have to go back to
>>> the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor
>>> problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly
>>> wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral side of the
>>> circuit which provided a total isolation of charge while the switch
>>> was in transition from forward operation to reverse operation.
>>> Reversing switch would explode. This was my first encounter with
>>> the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a
>>> Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
>>> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always
>>> been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as
>>> we clearly see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back
>>> in the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon
>>> again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive
>>> Highland Park home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV
>>> system into her den. MS. Sharp called and said she had a
>>> Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to
>>> sit there and wait a few minutes. The TV screen and projector both
>>> started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
>>> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that
>>> switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down
>>> against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you
>>> understand how they operate:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
>>> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half
>>> way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered
>>> turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off
>>> ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design
>>> speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! The
>>> turbine took several minutes to coast down to a stop. A visit
>>> downstairs found that a small appliance like a counter top blender
>>> in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off spinning backwards
>>> then stop. The only connection that all these motor had when
>>> sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral
>>> buss. Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor
>>> windings and sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed
>>> (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the
>>> mains breakers and house wiring including the service cabelling and
>>> earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While
>>> walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton
>>> A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units
>>> were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft.
>>> ground rod at the units. Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single
>>> phase. While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to
>>> start against a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to
>>> WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground
>>> took about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP event which
>>> caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of energy.
>>> The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and rectified the
>>> situation but I came away with a better understanding a very common
>>> phenomenon that most do not take time to fully understand nor
>>> appreciate the implications. By studing the ongoing research of
>>> the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic
>>> storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
>>> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to
>>> bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984
>>> at the Sharp residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and
>>> Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just
>>> like the one in the Carrier A/C unit. By hydraulic locking the
>>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>>
>>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled
>>> by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter
>>> contactor, both the start and run windings are energized. When the
>>> Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps (
>>> motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened leaving the
>>> stored energy in total isolation with no ground reference. A
>>> NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT
>>> PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is something anyone can
>>> duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself. The reversible
>>> ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
>>> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the
>>> electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse
>>> rotation. All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap
>>> so that you have a momentary loss of ground reference (neutral)
>>> while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several times
>>> and you will explode switch! Now Mick, what do you not
>>> understand?? I was just too curious to let this go by without
>>> finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
>>> destroyed but it can change forms.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start
>>>> cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground rod
>>>> near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one
>>>> next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's
>>>> deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>>>>
>>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had a10
>>>>> ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>>> installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
>>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit. This energy
>>>>> is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor windings
>>>>> and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there is
>>>>> capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated capacitance
>>>>> and magnetic flux at saturation. I built and did the test on
>>>>> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back
>>>>> yard. Easy to duplicate! The reversible ceiling fan trick can be
>>>>> done by anyone by just changing the wiring on the reversing
>>>>> capacitor in-order to float neutral while the reversing switch is
>>>>> in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start
>>>>>> cap from energizing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did
>>>>>> you extract the differential, from the green wire running back to
>>>>>> the service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor
>>>>>> frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated
>>>>>> sink side from the stator windings by their insulation as you
>>>>>> mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by
>>>>>> the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate
>>>>>> the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to
>>>>>> turn on. Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series
>>>>>> LC hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder
>>>>>>> for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked
>>>>>>> rotor conditions, the current through the windings is only
>>>>>>> limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked
>>>>>>> rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input.
>>>>>>> When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
>>>>>>> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to
>>>>>>> Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole).
>>>>>>> I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap value of
>>>>>>> 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in
>>>>>>> circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding
>>>>>>> the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it
>>>>>>> to work, the caps and motor windings have to be isolated from
>>>>>>> neutral and earth ground reference. the iron motor frame is
>>>>>>> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an
>>>>>>> EMP earth ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by
>>>>>>> Tesla himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This
>>>>>>>> is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between
>>>>>>>> the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as
>>>>>>>> motor or generator.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the rotor
>>>>>>>> is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount
>>>>>>>> of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>>>>>>> Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come
>>>>>>>>> up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>>> combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>>> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>> the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>>>>>>>> K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ
>>>>>>>>> free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>>> application of DC motor principles as read from the cited
>>>>>>>>> references. First you make your LENZ free motor which is
>>>>>>>>> in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the
>>>>>>>>> necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator
>>>>>>>>> (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>>>>>> the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is controlled
>>>>>>>>> by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion
>>>>>>>>> rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>>>>>>>> pulse to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>>>> in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the
>>>>>>>>> light come on yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts
>>>>>>>>> out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>>>>>>> the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver,
>>>>>>>>> you have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>>> give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We know
>>>>>>>>> as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
>>>>>>>>> power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>>>>>>>>> saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral
>>>>>>>>> Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>>>>>> ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>>>> diodes) The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>> naturally will be the over-unity factor here! Interesting
>>>>>>>>> concept! Think about it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV
>>>>>>>>> caps)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>>>>>>>> core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>> load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>> wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If
>>>>>>>>>>> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating
>>>>>>>>>>> the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just
>>>>>>>>>>> heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive
>>>>>>>>>>> load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>>> transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>>>>>>>>>> storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or
>>>>>>>>>>> battery) and then dumping it to an active load will
>>>>>>>>>>> still make the power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>> though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving
>>>>>>>>>>> from the source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>>> energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
>>>>>>>>>>> power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>>>>> LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of
>>>>>>>>>>> the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent
>>>>>>>>>>> just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive
>>>>>>>>>>> load then reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>> wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If
>>>>>>>>>>> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>>>>>>>> claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>>>>>>> below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what
>>>>>>>>>>>> he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> voltage across the inductor connected in parallel
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output, increasing the power
>>>>>>>>>>>> output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>>>>>>>> may have one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>> energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>> it will show some phase displacement between the
>>>>>>>>>>>> current and voltage which means reactive power.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at the following small videos to see how one
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>>>>>>>>> the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive
>>>>>>>>>>>> part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>
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