Body
Norm who were you talking to ?
The Bedini ground was just a source to drag up more electrons past the
diodes going to the caps in response to the hivoltage pluse .
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:
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> Norm,
>
> OK thanks back to the bench, need to check BH on the battery setup again...
>
>
> On 11/20/2018 3:01 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> I see that you still have not had your LIGHT COME ON YET. You are
> dwelling on the source side of the circuit which is not the answer. Simply
> put, you have to create the condition where you have a totally isolated
> charged inductor and charged capacitors (TOTALLY ISOLATED) from any ground
> reference. Energy simply cannot vanish into empty space. My 5 HP motor
> experiment accomplished the isolation condition and when the energy was
> annihilated, inductor energy & capacitor energy cancelled , I got the EMP
> response from the earth side of the circuit. To hell with the source, for
> once the inductor is flux loaded, to saturation and capacitors are charged,
> then the source is totally out of the equation. Once that starting
> contactor opens the source is no longer a factor. In all of my trials with
> this, I have never seen any degrading or rupture of dielectric material nor
> damage to any wiring, no matter how small. The energy is in the form of a
> very high freq (RF event) with very high current but no damage to small
> appliance motors. I lived in a Dallas neighborhood that had a power
> distribution sub station just down the street from me. Numerous times
> during lightning storms I had been awakened by my VHS VCR, old top loader,
> (turned off) tape mechanism start up and start to eject tape, get half way
> and reverse and put tape back down as before it started. Like a 1/2 cycle
> operation. This was sort of the same EMP neutral side surge which affected
> the tape drive mechanism. People see the sort of thing but are not smart
> enough to question why they happen! Sorry to say that most of my
> experimentation was done on the KEELY BBS and was a closed group.
> On 11/20/2018 11:33 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this event.
> Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive questions. Everything
> here is understood. My question had to do with the source side of the
> whole systemic occurrence and not that I don't understand just that I like
> things to be very succinct in my small brain, therefore I was trying to map
> out the circuit including all E and B field connections in order that for
> instance the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
> source without connection to the utility. In other words the DUH I brought
> up the other week. You have explained the phenomenon and it's creation
> many times but seem to have left out the functions from the source side of
> the circuit and how that interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller scale while
> using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably from an inverter
> driven isolated system so attempting to determine the best way to move
> forward on the source side without burning up any more devices or at least
> a minimum so. I think I need to procure an iso transformer with a center
> tap and ground it on the sink side to the center tap in order there is the
> magnetic connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment. Otherwise part two will
> require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole pig. Just trying
> to streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys the why
> of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and puerile. Sorry to
> offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but with Yahoo
> and search and all your references to the neutral spike event I have never
> uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something
> over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for lack of understanding
> the whole project. First you have to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan,
> 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A wiring error by a
> Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch
> into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
> charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation to
> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode. This was my first
> encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was
> a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always been
> taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
> see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory
> bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984.
> A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and
> I had installed a projection TV system into her den. MS. Sharp called and
> said she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and
> told me to sit there and wait a few minutes. The TV screen and projector
> both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching
> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down against limit
> switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
> operate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half way
> down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo
> ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG ,
> super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big
> problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
> coast down to a stop. A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like
> a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off
> spinning backwards then stop. The only connection that all these motor had
> when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.
> Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor windings and
> sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel.
> All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new
> installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton
> unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10
> ft. ground rod at the units. Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single
> phase. While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
> against a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP
> shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2
> second. This was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss
> to carry this very unusual form of energy. The A/C guys came out and
> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to
> fully understand nor appreciate the implications. By studing the ongoing
> research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar
> magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench
> top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
> residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting,
> I had many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C
> unit. By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked up
> sealed unit See:
>
> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
> current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, both
> the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current relay
> senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation)
> the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
> ground reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is something
> anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself. The
> reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation. All you have
> to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary
> loss of ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch! Now Mick,
> what do you not understand?? I was just too curious to let this go by
> without finding an answer. Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
> destroyed but it can change forms.
>
> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
>
> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
> seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
> equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
> pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.
> At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
> coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap neutral
> back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the service. Since
> it is on the sink side of the transformer from the utility there is a
> direct path to ground through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance
> whatever importance that plays into the event.
> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative to
> stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 3
> conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC
> (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In
> addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
> outdoor installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the
> charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
> capacitors in the circuit. This energy is in an isolated state due to
> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here
> and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation. I built and did the test on
> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard. Easy
> to duplicate! The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
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> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap from
> energizing?
>
> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the service
> panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where the ground
> bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>
> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink side
> from the stator windings by their insulation as you mentioned earlier
> there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap in the pole
> pig?
>
> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we discussed
> earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the core and release,
> or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on. Some major issues going
> on here, head on backwards.
>
> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
> hmmm...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
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> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required inorder for counter
> emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the
> current through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual
> winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @
> 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air
> value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a
> value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay
> drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground. Magneto
> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be
> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference. the iron motor frame is
> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
> ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also
> known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s)
> of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no
> power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
> working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is
> in error. Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the
> rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am
> reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted
> definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
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> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor
> experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
> motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following
> articles:
>
> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-
> motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-
> of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_
> running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics
> and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
> propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the
> cited references. First you make your LENZ free motor which is in reality
> a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to
> drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
> free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by
> Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid coil it is
> tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the
> light come on yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
> output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles as
> applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
> The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We know
> as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state
> as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
> spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
> ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) The
> capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
> over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think about it! Norm
> Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
> Ole,
>
> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it
> could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an
> air inductor.
>
> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
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> Hi Mick,
>
> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?"
>
> Yes that's correct.
>
> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power
> that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant
> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power
> transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in
> a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load
> will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens
> in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive
> power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The
> power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
> reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
> components and wires.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not
> concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>
> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive
> source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back
> to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc. If
> the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same
> losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real
> power?
>
>
>
> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
>
>
>
> I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
> applicant knows about what he is writing.
>
> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (
> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/
> US20070296373A1.pdf):
> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the
> capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to
> the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces
> two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output.
> In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic
> power output with less energy input."
>
>
>
> It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the
> current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the
> current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small
> videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
> the current and
>
>