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On 11/20/2018 1:57 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm good article you might just copy and file it away with a short
> cut link so when some one needs a refresher it's just a click away for
> you .Yahoo isn't workable for many. Of us and this will disappear like
> the dew on the grass when the sun comes up . it's a little to good to
> have It vanish .away . thinks for your input your appreciated .
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Thank you for the in depth post of your experience uncovering this
> event. Sorry to frustrate you with what seem like repetitive
> questions. Everything here is understood. My question had to do
> with the source side of the whole systemic occurrence and not that
> I don't understand just that I like things to be very succinct in
> my small brain, therefore I was trying to map out the circuit
> including all E and B field connections in order that for instance
> the ceiling fan experiment be replicated from a battery inverter
> source without connection to the utility. In other words the DUH
> I brought up the other week. You have explained the phenomenon
> and it's creation many times but seem to have left out the
> functions from the source side of the circuit and how that
> interacts with the whole experiment and magnetic
> connect-anniliation-reconnect.
>
> I have successfully replicated the shots to larger and smaller
> scale while using the utility sourced power but not yet reliably
> from an inverter driven isolated system so attempting to determine
> the best way to move forward on the source side without burning up
> any more devices or at least a minimum so. I think I need to
> procure an iso transformer with a center tap and ground it on the
> sink side to the center tap in order there is the magnetic
> connection to the earth on source side in the first place not just
> the ground rod on the sink side of the experiment. Otherwise part
> two will require a giant stepdown of similar proportions to a pole
> pig. Just trying to streamline and keep expenses low.
>
> I hope the above does not further frustrate you but rather conveys
> the why of my question which I can see seemed to be circular and
> puerile. Sorry to offend.
>
> By the way I don't know if you had posted this story before but
> with Yahoo and search and all your references to the neutral spike
> event I have never uncovered it.
>
> Thank again!
>
> On 11/20/2018 6:58 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick! I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain
>> something over and over! I guess short memory is the cause for
>> lack of understanding the whole project. First you have to go
>> back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole
>> motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker
>> incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch into the neutral
>> side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge
>> while the switch was in transition from forward operation to
>> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode. This was my
>> first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and
>> determined that it was a Magneto-Electric effect or better put,
>> Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In
>> Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be
>> destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple
>> experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I
>> had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around
>> 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park
>> home (Dallas) and I had installed a projection TV system into her
>> den. MS. Sharp called and said she had a Poltergeist in her
>> den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and
>> wait a few minutes. The TV screen and projector both started
>> descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up. Both
>> these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that
>> switching via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or
>> down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so
>> you understand how they operate:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be>
>> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the
>> phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector
>> descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head
>> was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design
>> which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up to a
>> speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took
>> off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to
>> a stop. A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a
>> counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take
>> off spinning backwards then stop. The only connection that all
>> these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a
>> connection to the neutral buss. Interesting fact was that with
>> the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic
>> acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to
>> the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
>> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the
>> mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side
>> yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing
>> unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth
>> bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at
>> the units. Both units were 5 Ton, 230VAC single phase. While
>> I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
>> against a locked rotor condition. From contactor closure to
>> WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the
>> ground took about 1/2 second. This was the source of the EMP
>> event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual
>> form of energy. The A/C guys came out and replaced the
>> compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
>> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not
>> take time to fully understand nor appreciate the implications.
>> By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this
>> EMP phenomenon from Solar magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation
>> -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better
>> understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the
>> situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
>> residence. Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics
>> Contracting, I had many compressors at my disposal just like the
>> one in the Carrier A/C unit. By hydraulic locking the
>> compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and
>> discharge lines you have a fully locked up sealed unit See:
>>
>> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap
>> controlled by current relay. When energized via 2 pole,230VAC,
>> starter contactor, both the start and run windings are energized.
>> When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84
>> amps ( motor in magnetic saturation) the circuit is opened
>> leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no ground
>> reference. A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
>> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP. This experiment is
>> something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for
>> yourself. The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest
>> and less expensive to replicate. Most current available
>> reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via
>> toggle switch to reverse rotation. All you have to do is open up
>> circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of
>> ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
>> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!
>> Now Mick, what do you not understand?? I was just too curious
>> to let this go by without finding an answer. Just remember the
>> Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
>>
>> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted
>>> start cap or seized bearing? Interesting I have noticed a
>>> ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or
>>> can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground
>>> rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap. At 60hz the capacitive
>>> coupling is negligible.
>>>
>>> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply
>>> side... coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to
>>> center tap neutral back at the pole then the neutral is ground
>>> bonded at the service. Since it is on the sink side of the
>>> transformer from the utility there is a direct path to ground
>>> through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance whatever
>>> importance that plays into the event.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion
>>>> relative to stator! On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were
>>>> service wired with a 3 conductor wip from service disconnect to
>>>> A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth
>>>> bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In addition, you had
>>>> a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this outdoor
>>>> installation for safety reasons. When over-current relay (84
>>>> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to
>>>> discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive
>>>> power) and the two charged capacitors in the circuit. This
>>>> energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor
>>>> windings and capacitors. Ole will jump in here and say there is
>>>> capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
>>>> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation. I built and did
>>>> the test on this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a
>>>> clients back yard. Easy to duplicate! The reversible ceiling
>>>> fan trick can be done by anyone by just changing the wiring on
>>>> the reversing capacitor in-order to float neutral while the
>>>> reversing switch is in transition. Simple! ( BOOM)!!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the
>>>>> start cap from energizing?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where
>>>>> did you extract the differential, from the green wire running
>>>>> back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from
>>>>> the motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or
>>>>> somewhere else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was
>>>>> isolated sink side from the stator windings by their
>>>>> insulation as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and
>>>>> on the source side by the center tap in the pole pig?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we
>>>>> discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to
>>>>> saturate the core and release, or as Hector likes to say
>>>>> switch off to turn on. Some major issues going on here, head
>>>>> on backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a
>>>>> series LC hmmm...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks! Ole for the explanation! Rotation is required
>>>>>> inorder for counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or
>>>>>> locked rotor conditions, the current through the windings is
>>>>>> only limited by R = resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in
>>>>>> locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC
>>>>>> input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the
>>>>>> magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the
>>>>>> impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only
>>>>>> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it
>>>>>> has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value
>>>>>> of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting
>>>>>> relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form
>>>>>> ground. Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and
>>>>>> motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth
>>>>>> ground reference. the iron motor frame is earth bonded.
>>>>>> Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
>>>>>> ground response. This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla
>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating.
>>>>>>> This is also known as stalled rotor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating
>>>>>>> magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor
>>>>>>> (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission
>>>>>>> between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working
>>>>>>> neither as motor or generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating
>>>>>>> field speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked
>>>>>>> rotor was/is in error. Always thought this was when the
>>>>>>> rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with
>>>>>>> least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most
>>>>>>> amount of slip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any
>>>>>>> additional information of what you think may be occurring
>>>>>>> beyond the everyday accepted definition?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot about
>>>>>>>> my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>>>>>> come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>>>>>> combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>>>>>> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>> the following articles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>> <http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>> <https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>>>>>> at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>>>>>> LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>>>>>> application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>>>>>> cited references. First you make your LENZ free motor
>>>>>>>> which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which
>>>>>>>> will give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>> LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag
>>>>>>>> free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>> solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>>>>>>> switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
>>>>>>>> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the
>>>>>>>> solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>> condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come on
>>>>>>>> yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
>>>>>>>> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>> motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you
>>>>>>>> have a motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>>> give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! We
>>>>>>>> know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>> solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>> building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>> spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>>>>> send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>>>> switch design (snubber diodes) The capture of the
>>>>>>>> SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>> over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>>>>>> about it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>>>>>> otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>>>>>> the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>> into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>>>>>> work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>>>>>> and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>>>>>> owners of the power transmission lines and thus
>>>>>>>>>> should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>> capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping
>>>>>>>>>> it to an active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>> just one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>>>> The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>>>> load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>> from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>>>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is
>>>>>>>>>> pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>>>>>>> parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>>>>>> from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>>>>>> resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>>>>>> standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>> discharged etc. If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>>>>>> in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>>>>>> occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>>>>>> into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>>>>> about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf>):
>>>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and there
>>>>>>>>>>> is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>>>>>> parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>> Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>>>>>>> produces two branches of electromagnetic power
>>>>>>>>>>> output, increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>>>>>>> input."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>> voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>> part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>>>>> part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>
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