Neutral spike

Hi Warren,

Those trembler coils put out a bunch of noise all over the spectrum. 
One can always test from a few feet away with the probe set on x10 and
not damage the scope but a spectrum analyzer would show the different
frequencies harmonics and any modulation type waveforms.  With a scope
you might be looking at only one of the many frequencies it is spewing.

Yes there is a condenser in those things.  I know from back in the old
days when we had chrome bumpers could use a T coil to electrify the body
of our car in a parking lot park close enough the bumper would touch
another persons metal bumper wait until the poor unsuspecting person
came back from shopping and put the key in their door and then have
fun.  Teenagers can be so freekin evil.

I think there are several ways a Don Smith device can function from the
return stroke like lightening or using a magnet that has been
conditioned similar to Sparky Sweet as core material (that is how the
Russian device I showed you in the video running the drill worked)which
is just another type of varying the reluctance of a core material to
gate flux. Or one can just use the Larmour frequency of a core allowing
it to shift between elemental states.  Varying the reluctance of cores
has some powerful effects and can be accomplished with a conditioned
magnet that is self excited at it's conditioning frequency so acts like
it's own oscillatory variable reluctance device or by the use of gating
to vary the reluctance in a device in such a way as to switch the flux
from one side to another.   Allegedly there is a Toshiba washing machine
that uses a variable flux switch motor.  Toshiba has the patent I posted
a few days back.  I would love to get my hands on one of those!

I think the trembler coil would be a great device to use for crashing a
big coil with flyback pulses or other modalities.  Since the unit is run
as you say like a buzzer relay the longitudinal waveform is developed
just like a spark gap so should be a really good "battery" for the rest
of the device you want to build.

Buy a few diff HV diodes(microwave-30kv etc) and see which ones work
without OD-ing.  Connect through the diode to one of your pancake coils
and see if you can get a cheap plastic compass to snap about to prove it
works.  The microwave oven diodes seem the most robust so far for me and
can be added in series for more higher voltage capacity.

Sadly I must have missed Ole's new inverter scheme posts.

I hope I may have answered you questions, not sure if those were
questions or just thinking out loud.



On 11/17/2018 4:56 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick
> What do we get from the old Ford Model T coil? It is 6 volts into,
> like a door bell buzzer switch, then primary, and secondary, producing
> a very hot spark, which I have never been able to see the nature of on
> a scope that I value. It is about 10,000 volts, judging by the length,
> and hot enough to ignite a sheet of paper put between the gap.
> Although I haven't performed surgery on one yet, I believe there may
> be an oil paper wrapped capacitor in there too.
> Now, in the vein of keeping the device simple, what happens when we
> rectify this high voltage "unknown" spark source? 
> This reliable high voltage DC source of pulses should be able to be
> applied to an inductor which in turn, should certainly disturb the
> local magnetic field, one might imagine.
> We then get dangerously close to the Don Smith rabbit hole, where none
> of us has gone down yet.
> Ole might be peeking in the back door of that realm, with his new
> inverter?
> It seems that the rythmatic tapping on the magnetic field can resonate
> with a coil of wire of a certain length, in an amplified manner, again
> rectified, to produce usable electricity.
> All of this must be put inside a Faraday cage, lest we bring down the
> demons, sent out to find why cell phone coverage is suddenly not
> happening in an area.
> The T coil can be adjusted mechanically with adjusting the buzzer
> point gap, changing the frequency slightly.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 12:27 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Kone,
>
>     It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating both
>     concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When harvesting RF if
>     one desires to pull DC the old fashioned way Tesla did it the
>     timing is important as one goes up a even harmonic or two to pull
>     of the compression or refraction only.
>
>     AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's uses in
>     the more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about because if one
>     stays in the AC realm one can induce feedback to dance with the
>     devil and friends.
>
>     On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Ole and Mick
>>     Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a
>>     charge rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the
>>     capacitor has its charge rectified first which I believe is whole
>>     idea of diode plug and cap is timed to discharge into load too so
>>     there is power being created not just observation of resonance...
>>     Kone
>>
>

Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also known as stalled rotor.

Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.

Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Norm,
 I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
 Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted definition?
 Thanks,
 Mick
 
 On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   
 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/ https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   
 Ole,
 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 
 Ole,
 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
 
 
 
 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
 
   I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
 0:42 
 Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3. 9.5K views5 years ago
 
 
 
 
 
 1:01 
 Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2. 10K views5 years ago

NormanHas anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
 On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged up the condenser when  current reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool  proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of  all you should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited  references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the  LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo  magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate  (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no  LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is  LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is  building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber  diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the  standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
     0:42     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
   9.5K views5 years ago          1:01     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
   10K views5 years ago          1:00      
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
   8K views5 years ago    
 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
 Regards
 Ole  
 
   
 
  
        
   
        
   
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HectorOnce started, do you mean to say, replace the battery with a decade tuner box?Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 8:53 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Norman
Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
 On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged up the condenser when  current reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool  proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of  all you should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited  references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the  LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo  magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate  (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no  LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is  LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is  building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber  diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
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Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the  standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
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Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
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I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
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NormanEvgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too trickyCheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
 
 On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will  give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal  core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
 Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard Marine  Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which received a forward going current in  primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged  up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge  current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second  response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto electric  effect into the switching design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any switching frequency  can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low frequency! Just as  pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
  On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the  standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
     0:42     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
   9.5K views5 years ago          1:01     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
   10K views5 years ago          1:00      
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
   8K views5 years ago    
 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
 Regards
 Ole  
 
   
 
  
        
   
        
   
        
   
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Interesting. Thanks Norm. Reminds me in part, of free wheeling diodes and collapsing field technology.

    On Saturday, 17 November 2018, 1:13:08 am AEDT, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then  reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should  be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected  energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
 
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single  power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less  energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
     0:42     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
   9.5K views5 years ago          1:01     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
   10K views5 years ago          1:00      
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
   8K views5 years ago    
 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
 Regards
 Ole

Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for 
counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor 
conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R = 
resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined 
current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on 
a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at which point the 
impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only limiting 
factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap 
value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both of which are in 
circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the 
Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, 
the caps and motor windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth 
ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation of 
energy in isolation will create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes 
back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.

On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is 
> also known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic 
> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this 
> means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The 
> motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor 
> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to 
> the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like 
> I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional 
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday 
> accepted definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...> 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked
>>     Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool
>>     proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>     build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know
>>     as facts! See the following articles:
>>
>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>
>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>
>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>
>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC
>>     motor principles as read from the cited references. First you
>>     make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>     (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive
>>     the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>     free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is
>>     controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>>     excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in
>>     LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>     on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>     output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles
>>     as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>     free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>     tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>     the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building
>>     toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral
>>     Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>     ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) 
>>     The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will
>>     be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about
>>     it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>
>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Ole,
>>>
>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise,
>>>     but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as
>>>     I was no using an air inductor.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>
>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>     real power?"
>>>>
>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>
>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>     expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>     thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor
>>>>     (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load
>>>>     will still make the power go in just one direction even though
>>>>     it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source
>>>>     to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from
>>>>     the load and power source. The power moving between the
>>>>     capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except
>>>>     for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>     components and wires.
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>     Ole,
>>>>
>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and
>>>>     not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>
>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>     real power?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>
>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I
>>>>>         wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>         series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>         inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>         Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>>         branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>         power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>         input."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>>         measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>         displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>         reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see
>>>>>         how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>>         the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>         consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>
>

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On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's 
> concept, or was it too tricky
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
>
>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Norman
>>
>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>         DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's
>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of
>>         pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.  
>>         Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked
>>         out very easily since we can select a time base for the as
>>         natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>>         inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the
>>         neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect
>>         does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>>         free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>
>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>
>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>         build a working model.
>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>
>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such
>>>             detail. What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>>             coil stator which received a forward going current in
>>>             primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole
>>>             pieces before top dead center which charged up the
>>>             condenser when current reached peak. When breaker points
>>>             opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd
>>>             pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the
>>>             primary windings and the discharge current from the
>>>             condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic
>>>             flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>>             represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano
>>>             second response). This was accomplished due to the fact
>>>             that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>             the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>
>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>             [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Norm
>>>>
>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can
>>>>             be confusing.
>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>             this subject.
>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>                 reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>>                 what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>
>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>
>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose
>>>>                 is very simple application of DC motor principles
>>>>                 as read from the cited references. First you make
>>>>                 your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>                 MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>                 stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>                 oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>                 the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>                 controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>                 give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>>                 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid
>>>>                 coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>                 condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>>>                 on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a
>>>>                 sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>>                 the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid
>>>>                 driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
>>>>                 The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>>>                 tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>>                 when you switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>>                 magnetic flux is building toward saturation there
>>>>                 will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which
>>>>                 we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>                 ordinary practice in solid state switch design
>>>>                 (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy
>>>>                 (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about it! 
>>>>                 Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>
>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>                 noise in the core material as I was no using an
>>>>>                 air inductor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>>                 one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>                 The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>                 load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>                 from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>                 between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank
>>>>>>                 is pure reactive except for the loss because of
>>>>>>                 the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>                 patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>                     cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>                     about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>                     connected in series to the capacitor and
>>>>>>>                     there is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>                     connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>                     Since Power=voltage×current, a single power
>>>>>>>                     input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>>                     power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>                     present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>                     energy input."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>                     between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>                     reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>                     videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>                     knowing how the phase between the current
>>>>>>>                     and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>>>                     consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>                           part 3.
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>                           part 2.
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work. Reactive
>>>>>>>                     power doesn't do work except for the small
>>>>>>>                     active part heating the the wires and other
>>>>>>>                     components because of their parasitic
>>>>>>>                     resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>>                     doing work against the resistance is active
>>>>>>>                     power and not actually reactive power. This
>>>>>>>                     is why the power distributing companies may
>>>>>>>                     charge costumers for having high reactive
>>>>>>>                     power going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>                     the power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of
>>>>>>>                     the present disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>>                     bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov.
>>>>>>>                     16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in FIG.
>>>>>>>                     46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the power
>>>>>>>                     input is 115 V. The apparent power for the
>>>>>>>                     Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at
>>>>>>>                     126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for
>>>>>>>                     the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the
>>>>>>>                     apparent power measured for the light bulb
>>>>>>>                     is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at
>>>>>>>                     the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>>>                     measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>>                     approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are
>>>>>>>                     also shown for the energy savings for a 75W
>>>>>>>                     Bulb."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is increased.
>>>>>>>                     The apparent power is the vector sum of the
>>>>>>>                     real power and the reactive power which
>>>>>>>                     makes it always greater than or equal to the
>>>>>>>                     real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>

https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/transformers-phase-converters-and-vfd/g-e-repulsion-induction-motor-what-does-mean-245846/ 
My Dad had an air compressor in shop that had one of the Replusion Start 
5 HP motors.

On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's 
> concept, or was it too tricky
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
>
>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Norman
>>
>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>         DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's
>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of
>>         pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.  
>>         Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked
>>         out very easily since we can select a time base for the as
>>         natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>>         inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the
>>         neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect
>>         does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>>         free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>
>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>
>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>         build a working model.
>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>
>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such
>>>             detail. What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>>             coil stator which received a forward going current in
>>>             primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole
>>>             pieces before top dead center which charged up the
>>>             condenser when current reached peak. When breaker points
>>>             opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd
>>>             pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the
>>>             primary windings and the discharge current from the
>>>             condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic
>>>             flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>>             represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano
>>>             second response). This was accomplished due to the fact
>>>             that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>             the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>
>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>             [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Norm
>>>>
>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can
>>>>             be confusing.
>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>             this subject.
>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>                 reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>>                 what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>
>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>
>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose
>>>>                 is very simple application of DC motor principles
>>>>                 as read from the cited references. First you make
>>>>                 your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>                 MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>                 stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>                 oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>>                 the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>                 controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>                 give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>>                 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid
>>>>                 coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>                 condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>>>                 on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a
>>>>                 sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>>                 the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid
>>>>                 driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
>>>>                 The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>>>                 tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>>                 when you switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>>                 magnetic flux is building toward saturation there
>>>>                 will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which
>>>>                 we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>                 ordinary practice in solid state switch design
>>>>                 (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy
>>>>                 (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about it! 
>>>>                 Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>
>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>                 noise in the core material as I was no using an
>>>>>                 air inductor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>>                 one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>                 The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>                 load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>                 from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>>                 between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank
>>>>>>                 is pure reactive except for the loss because of
>>>>>>                 the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>>                 patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>                     cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>>                     about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>                     connected in series to the capacitor and
>>>>>>>                     there is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>>                     connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>>                     Since Power=voltage×current, a single power
>>>>>>>                     input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>>                     power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>                     present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>                     energy input."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>>                     between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>>                     reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>>                     videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>                     knowing how the phase between the current
>>>>>>>                     and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>>>                     consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>                           part 3.
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>>                           part 2.
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work. Reactive
>>>>>>>                     power doesn't do work except for the small
>>>>>>>                     active part heating the the wires and other
>>>>>>>                     components because of their parasitic
>>>>>>>                     resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>>                     doing work against the resistance is active
>>>>>>>                     power and not actually reactive power. This
>>>>>>>                     is why the power distributing companies may
>>>>>>>                     charge costumers for having high reactive
>>>>>>>                     power going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>                     the power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of
>>>>>>>                     the present disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>>                     bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov.
>>>>>>>                     16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in FIG.
>>>>>>>                     46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the power
>>>>>>>                     input is 115 V. The apparent power for the
>>>>>>>                     Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at
>>>>>>>                     126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for
>>>>>>>                     the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the
>>>>>>>                     apparent power measured for the light bulb
>>>>>>>                     is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at
>>>>>>>                     the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>>>                     measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>>                     approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are
>>>>>>>                     also shown for the energy savings for a 75W
>>>>>>>                     Bulb."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is increased.
>>>>>>>                     The apparent power is the vector sum of the
>>>>>>>                     real power and the reactive power which
>>>>>>>                     makes it always greater than or equal to the
>>>>>>>                     real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>

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On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>
> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>     principle!
>>
>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>     [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norman
>>>
>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>         DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.  
>>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of
>>>         pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.
>>>         Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked
>>>         out very easily since we can select a time base for the as
>>>         natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>>>         inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the
>>>         neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect
>>>         does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>>>         free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>>
>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>         [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>
>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such
>>>>             detail. What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>>>             coil stator which received a forward going current in
>>>>             primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole
>>>>             pieces before top dead center which charged up the
>>>>             condenser when current reached peak. When breaker
>>>>             points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd
>>>>             and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current
>>>>             in the primary windings and the discharge current from
>>>>             the condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>>>>             magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>>>             represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano
>>>>             second response). This was accomplished due to the fact
>>>>             that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>>             the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>
>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>
>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>             this subject.
>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>>                 reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>>>                 what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>
>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>
>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>
>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>
>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose
>>>>>                 is very simple application of DC motor principles
>>>>>                 as read from the cited references. First you make
>>>>>                 your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>>                 MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>>                 stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>                 oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area
>>>>>                 of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>>                 controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>>                 give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>>>                 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid
>>>>>                 coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>                 condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light
>>>>>                 come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts
>>>>>                 out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.
>>>>>                 Following the DC motor principles as applied to
>>>>>                 the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>>>>                 free also. The combo should give an Over-unity
>>>>>                 output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will
>>>>>                 agree in that when you switch the solenoid power
>>>>>                 to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>>>>>                 saturation there will be a huge voltage spike
>>>>>                 (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>>                 send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>>                 switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the
>>>>>                 SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>>>>>                 the over-unity factor here! Interesting concept!
>>>>>                 Think about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>>                 noise in the core material as I was no using an
>>>>>>                 air inductor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real
>>>>>>>                 power?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>>>                 one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>>                 The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>>                 load. Reactive power has the energy moving to
>>>>>>>                 and from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>>                 moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>>                 LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss
>>>>>>>                 because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>>>                 components and wires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>>                 factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>>                     cited below. I wonder if the applicant
>>>>>>>>                     knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output, increasing
>>>>>>>>                     the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>>                     present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>                     energy input."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look at
>>>>>>>>                     the following small videos to see how one
>>>>>>>>                     can be misled if not knowing how the phase
>>>>>>>>                     between the current and voltage is: Only
>>>>>>>>                     the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the wires
>>>>>>>>                     and other components because of their
>>>>>>>>                     parasitic resistance. This part caused by
>>>>>>>>                     current doing work against the resistance
>>>>>>>>                     is active power and not actually reactive
>>>>>>>>                     power. This is why the power distributing
>>>>>>>>                     companies may charge costumers for having
>>>>>>>>                     high reactive power going through their
>>>>>>>>                     cables which heats the power lines without
>>>>>>>>                     transferring active power to their
>>>>>>>>                     costumers. It's just pure loss because the
>>>>>>>>                     wires have resistance. Resistance converts
>>>>>>>>                     electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of
>>>>>>>>                     the present disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>>>                     bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov.
>>>>>>>>                     16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>                     FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA
>>>>>>>>                     and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>                     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>                     measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>>>                     approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are
>>>>>>>>                     also shown for the energy savings for a 75W
>>>>>>>>                     Bulb."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is increased.
>>>>>>>>                     The apparent power is the vector sum of the
>>>>>>>>                     real power and the reactive power which
>>>>>>>>                     makes it always greater than or equal to
>>>>>>>>                     the real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>

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On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>
> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
>>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>     principle!
>>>
>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norman
>>>>
>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>>         DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing
>>>>         of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per
>>>>         Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can
>>>>         be worked out very easily since we can select a time base
>>>>         for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How
>>>>         much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil
>>>>         in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>>         effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage
>>>>         load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into
>>>>         construction.
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to
>>>>>             such detail. What made them so efficient was the three
>>>>>             pole coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>>             current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and
>>>>>             2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged
>>>>>             up the condenser when current reached peak. When
>>>>>             breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>>>>             passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>>>>             polarity current in the primary windings and the
>>>>>             discharge current from the condenser was in phase
>>>>>             which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>>             scope the primary current represented an instantaneous
>>>>>             straight down line (nano second response). This was
>>>>>             accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd
>>>>>             condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>>>>             impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>>             this subject.
>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot
>>>>>>                 of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>>>                 read what we know as facts! See the following
>>>>>>                 articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
>>>>>>                 the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>>                 generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>>>>                 LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>>                 at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to
>>>>>>                 drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>                 in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>>                 Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>                 generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with
>>>>>>                 no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles
>>>>>>                 as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>                 motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>                 give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>                 We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>>                 the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>>                 is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>                 huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>>                 to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do
>>>>>>>                 with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>                     less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats the
>>>>>>>>>                     power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on
>>>>>>>>>                     Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>>                     FIG. 46 and is still running seven years
>>>>>>>>>                     later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>>>>>>                     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>>                     are also shown for the energy savings for
>>>>>>>>>                     a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg

On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>
> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
>>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>     principle!
>>>
>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norman
>>>>
>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>>         DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing
>>>>         of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per
>>>>         Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can
>>>>         be worked out very easily since we can select a time base
>>>>         for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How
>>>>         much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil
>>>>         in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>>         effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage
>>>>         load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into
>>>>         construction.
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to
>>>>>             such detail. What made them so efficient was the three
>>>>>             pole coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>>             current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and
>>>>>             2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged
>>>>>             up the condenser when current reached peak. When
>>>>>             breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>>>>             passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>>>>             polarity current in the primary windings and the
>>>>>             discharge current from the condenser was in phase
>>>>>             which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>>             scope the primary current represented an instantaneous
>>>>>             straight down line (nano second response). This was
>>>>>             accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd
>>>>>             condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>>>>             impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>>             this subject.
>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot
>>>>>>                 of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>>>                 read what we know as facts! See the following
>>>>>>                 articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
>>>>>>                 the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>>                 generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>>>>                 LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>>                 at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to
>>>>>>                 drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>                 in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>>                 Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>                 generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with
>>>>>>                 no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles
>>>>>>                 as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>                 motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>                 give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>                 We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>>                 the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>>                 is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>                 huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>>                 to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do
>>>>>>>                 with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>                     less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats the
>>>>>>>>>                     power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on
>>>>>>>>>                     Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>>                     FIG. 46 and is still running seven years
>>>>>>>>>                     later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>>>>>>                     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>>                     are also shown for the energy savings for
>>>>>>>>>                     a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkGElmxZmhk

On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>
> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
>>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>     principle!
>>>
>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norman
>>>>
>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>>         DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing
>>>>         of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per
>>>>         Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can
>>>>         be worked out very easily since we can select a time base
>>>>         for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How
>>>>         much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil
>>>>         in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>>         effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage
>>>>         load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into
>>>>         construction.
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to
>>>>>             such detail. What made them so efficient was the three
>>>>>             pole coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>>             current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and
>>>>>             2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged
>>>>>             up the condenser when current reached peak. When
>>>>>             breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>>>>             passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>>>>             polarity current in the primary windings and the
>>>>>             discharge current from the condenser was in phase
>>>>>             which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>>             scope the primary current represented an instantaneous
>>>>>             straight down line (nano second response). This was
>>>>>             accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd
>>>>>             condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>>>>             impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>>             this subject.
>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot
>>>>>>                 of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>>>                 read what we know as facts! See the following
>>>>>>                 articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
>>>>>>                 the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>>                 generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>>>>                 LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>>                 at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to
>>>>>>                 drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>                 in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>>                 Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>                 generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with
>>>>>>                 no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles
>>>>>>                 as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>                 motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>                 give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>                 We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>>                 the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>>                 is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>                 huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>>                 to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do
>>>>>>>                 with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>                     less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats the
>>>>>>>>>                     power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on
>>>>>>>>>                     Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>>                     FIG. 46 and is still running seven years
>>>>>>>>>                     later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>>>>>>                     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>>                     are also shown for the energy savings for
>>>>>>>>>                     a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWuXvZFn91Q

On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>
> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as 
>>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>     principle!
>>>
>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norman
>>>>
>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>>         or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>>         driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>>         that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>>         DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>>         pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>>         the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>>         accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>>         give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>>>         (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing
>>>>         of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per
>>>>         Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can
>>>>         be worked out very easily since we can select a time base
>>>>         for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How
>>>>         much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil
>>>>         in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>>         effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage
>>>>         load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into
>>>>         construction.
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>>             solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>>             the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to
>>>>>             such detail. What made them so efficient was the three
>>>>>             pole coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>>             current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and
>>>>>             2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged
>>>>>             up the condenser when current reached peak. When
>>>>>             breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>>>>             passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>>>>             polarity current in the primary windings and the
>>>>>             discharge current from the condenser was in phase
>>>>>             which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>>             scope the primary current represented an instantaneous
>>>>>             straight down line (nano second response). This was
>>>>>             accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd
>>>>>             condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>>>>             impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>>             incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw
>>>>>             out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>>             Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>>             this subject.
>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>>                 about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot
>>>>>>                 of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>>                 motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>>                 build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>>>                 read what we know as facts! See the following
>>>>>>                 articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>>                 found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>>                 the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
>>>>>>                 the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>>                 generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>>>>                 LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>>                 at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to
>>>>>>                 drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>>                 in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect. 
>>>>>>                 Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>>>>>                 generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with
>>>>>>                 no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles
>>>>>>                 as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>>                 motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>>                 give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part! 
>>>>>>                 We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>>                 the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>>                 is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>>                 huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>>                 to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>>                 than otherwise, but it could also have to do
>>>>>>>                 with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>>                 energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>>                 recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>>>>>                 reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>>                 you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>>                 power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>>                 real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>>                     less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats the
>>>>>>>>>                     power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>>>                     power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>>>                     loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>>                     Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on
>>>>>>>>>                     Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>>                     according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>>                     FIG. 46 and is still running seven years
>>>>>>>>>                     later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>>                     measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>>>>>>                     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>>                     are also shown for the energy savings for
>>>>>>>>>                     a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLHmWplSvs

On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
>
> On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, 
>>>> as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>>     principle!
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Norman
>>>>>
>>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear
>>>>>         solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear
>>>>>         thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC
>>>>>         input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I
>>>>>         posted on DC motor characteristics. If you are going to
>>>>>         drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have
>>>>>         to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the
>>>>>         thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors.
>>>>>         This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC
>>>>>         pulse. (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source)
>>>>>         Timing of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as
>>>>>         per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters
>>>>>         can be worked out very easily since we can select a time
>>>>>         base for the as natural as possible operation of the
>>>>>         device. How much inductive drag is there with the non
>>>>>         metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he
>>>>>         claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a
>>>>>         current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before
>>>>>         jumping into construction.
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV
>>>>>>         snow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!
>>>>>>             The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the
>>>>>>             same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I
>>>>>>             studied to such detail. What made them so efficient
>>>>>>             was the three pole coil stator which received a
>>>>>>             forward going current in primary windings , magnets
>>>>>>             passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead
>>>>>>             center which charged up the condenser when current
>>>>>>             reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating
>>>>>>             magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces
>>>>>>             inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary
>>>>>>             windings and the discharge current from the condenser
>>>>>>             was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux
>>>>>>             reversal. On a scope the primary current represented
>>>>>>             an instantaneous straight down line (nano second
>>>>>>             response). This was accomplished due to the fact that
>>>>>>             the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>>>>             the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important
>>>>>>             to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just
>>>>>>             threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design
>>>>>>             simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.
>>>>>>             Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a
>>>>>>             relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are
>>>>>>             making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC . 
>>>>>>             Thoughts???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts
>>>>>>>             on this subject.
>>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a
>>>>>>>                 lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a
>>>>>>>                 lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz
>>>>>>>                 free motor / generator combination which is so
>>>>>>>                 easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>>>                 should read what we know as facts! See the
>>>>>>>                 following articles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos
>>>>>>>                 as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video
>>>>>>>                 of the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will
>>>>>>>                 give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>                 LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>>>>>>                 drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).
>>>>>>>                 Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall
>>>>>>>                 sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>>>>>>>                 excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ.
>>>>>>>                 By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil
>>>>>>>                 it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>                 condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light
>>>>>>>                 come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator
>>>>>>>                 puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ
>>>>>>>                 drag. Following the DC motor principles as
>>>>>>>                 applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor
>>>>>>>                 that is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>                 Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
>>>>>>>                 as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>                 solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>                 building toward saturation there will be a huge
>>>>>>>                 voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>                 capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC
>>>>>>>>                 tank than otherwise, but it could also have to
>>>>>>>>                 do with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>>>>                 <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output
>>>>>>>>>>                     with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current
>>>>>>>>>>                     and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>>>>                     the power lines without transferring
>>>>>>>>>>                     active power to their costumers. It's
>>>>>>>>>>                     just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance. Resistance converts electric
>>>>>>>>>>                     power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted,
>>>>>>>>>>                     on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was
>>>>>>>>>>                     installed according to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>>                     disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running
>>>>>>>>>>                     seven years later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for
>>>>>>>>>>                     the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126
>>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the input and a total
>>>>>>>>>>                     of 191.5 VA is measured at the output,
>>>>>>>>>>                     indicating an approximately 1.5 gain.
>>>>>>>>>>                     Calculations are also shown for the
>>>>>>>>>>                     energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>

http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf

On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
>
> On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, 
>>>> as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>>     principle!
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Norman
>>>>>
>>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear
>>>>>         solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear
>>>>>         thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC
>>>>>         input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I
>>>>>         posted on DC motor characteristics. If you are going to
>>>>>         drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have
>>>>>         to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the
>>>>>         thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors.
>>>>>         This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC
>>>>>         pulse. (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source)
>>>>>         Timing of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as
>>>>>         per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters
>>>>>         can be worked out very easily since we can select a time
>>>>>         base for the as natural as possible operation of the
>>>>>         device. How much inductive drag is there with the non
>>>>>         metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he
>>>>>         claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a
>>>>>         current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before
>>>>>         jumping into construction.
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV
>>>>>>         snow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!
>>>>>>             The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the
>>>>>>             same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I
>>>>>>             studied to such detail. What made them so efficient
>>>>>>             was the three pole coil stator which received a
>>>>>>             forward going current in primary windings , magnets
>>>>>>             passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead
>>>>>>             center which charged up the condenser when current
>>>>>>             reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating
>>>>>>             magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces
>>>>>>             inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary
>>>>>>             windings and the discharge current from the condenser
>>>>>>             was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux
>>>>>>             reversal. On a scope the primary current represented
>>>>>>             an instantaneous straight down line (nano second
>>>>>>             response). This was accomplished due to the fact that
>>>>>>             the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>>>>             the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important
>>>>>>             to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>>>             switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>>>             there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just
>>>>>>             threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design
>>>>>>             simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.
>>>>>>             Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a
>>>>>>             relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are
>>>>>>             making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC . 
>>>>>>             Thoughts???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts
>>>>>>>             on this subject.
>>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a
>>>>>>>                 lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a
>>>>>>>                 lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz
>>>>>>>                 free motor / generator combination which is so
>>>>>>>                 easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>>>>>>                 should read what we know as facts! See the
>>>>>>>                 following articles:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos
>>>>>>>                 as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video
>>>>>>>                 of the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>>>                 propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>>>                 principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>>>                 First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in
>>>>>>>                 reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will
>>>>>>>                 give the necessary stroke length to drive the
>>>>>>>                 LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>>>>>>                 drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).
>>>>>>>                 Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall
>>>>>>>                 sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>>>>>>>                 excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ.
>>>>>>>                 By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil
>>>>>>>                 it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>>>>                 condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light
>>>>>>>                 come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator
>>>>>>>                 puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ
>>>>>>>                 drag. Following the DC motor principles as
>>>>>>>                 applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor
>>>>>>>                 that is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>                 Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
>>>>>>>                 as Ole will agree in that when you switch the
>>>>>>>                 solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is
>>>>>>>                 building toward saturation there will be a huge
>>>>>>>                 voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>>>>>                 capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>>>                 practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>>>                 diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>>>                 which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>>>                 factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>>>                 it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC
>>>>>>>>                 tank than otherwise, but it could also have to
>>>>>>>>                 do with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>>>                 any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>>>                 power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>>>                 expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>>>                 First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>>>                 inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>>>                 active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>>>                 just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>>>                 pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>>>                 source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>>>                 energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>>>                 source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>>>                 and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>>>                 except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>>>                 resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>>>>                 <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>>>                 terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>>>                 the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>>>                     single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>>>                     of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output
>>>>>>>>>>                     with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current
>>>>>>>>>>                     and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>>>                     Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>>>                     like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>>>                     taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>>>                     real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>>>                     Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>>>                     the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>>>                     wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>>>                     their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>>>                     caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>>>                     actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>>>                     power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>>>>                     the power lines without transferring
>>>>>>>>>>                     active power to their costumers. It's
>>>>>>>>>>                     just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance. Resistance converts electric
>>>>>>>>>>                     power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted,
>>>>>>>>>>                     on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was
>>>>>>>>>>                     installed according to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>>                     disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running
>>>>>>>>>>                     seven years later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for
>>>>>>>>>>                     the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126
>>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the input and a total
>>>>>>>>>>                     of 191.5 VA is measured at the output,
>>>>>>>>>>                     indicating an approximately 1.5 gain.
>>>>>>>>>>                     Calculations are also shown for the
>>>>>>>>>>                     energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>

This last one is your example of a solenoid driven device!

On 11/18/2018 6:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf
>
> On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norman
>>>>>
>>>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, 
>>>>> as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>>>     principle!
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear
>>>>>>         solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear
>>>>>>         thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor
>>>>>>         DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files
>>>>>>         I posted on DC motor characteristics. If you are going to
>>>>>>         drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we
>>>>>>         have to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive
>>>>>>         the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading
>>>>>>         factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of
>>>>>>         driving DC pulse. (power supply source direct) or
>>>>>>         (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous
>>>>>>         Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the
>>>>>>         electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since
>>>>>>         we can select a time base for the as natural as possible
>>>>>>         operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there
>>>>>>         with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap?? 
>>>>>>         Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that
>>>>>>         you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be
>>>>>>         learned before jumping into construction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV
>>>>>>>         snow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!
>>>>>>>             The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the
>>>>>>>             same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I
>>>>>>>             studied to such detail. What made them so efficient
>>>>>>>             was the three pole coil stator which received a
>>>>>>>             forward going current in primary windings , magnets
>>>>>>>             passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead
>>>>>>>             center which charged up the condenser when current
>>>>>>>             reached peak. When breaker points opened the
>>>>>>>             rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole
>>>>>>>             pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the
>>>>>>>             primary windings and the discharge current from the
>>>>>>>             condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>>>>>>>             magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary
>>>>>>>             current represented an instantaneous straight down
>>>>>>>             line (nano second response). This was accomplished
>>>>>>>             due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a
>>>>>>>             perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra
>>>>>>>             high Q) . It is important to incorporate this
>>>>>>>             magneto electric effect into the switching design of
>>>>>>>             the solenoid linear motor. See, there is a L-C high
>>>>>>>             Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ
>>>>>>>             time base but for design simplicity, any switching
>>>>>>>             frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>>>>             mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>>>>             frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a
>>>>>>>             Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>>>>             can be confusing.
>>>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts
>>>>>>>>             on this subject.
>>>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a
>>>>>>>>                 lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a
>>>>>>>>                 lot of reading to come up with a fool proof
>>>>>>>>                 Lenz free motor / generator combination which
>>>>>>>>                 is so easy to build and proof test! First of
>>>>>>>>                 all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>                 the following articles:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos
>>>>>>>>                 as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the
>>>>>>>>                 video of the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I
>>>>>>>>                 will propose is very simple application of DC
>>>>>>>>                 motor principles as read from the cited
>>>>>>>>                 references. First you make your LENZ free 
>>>>>>>>                 motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>>>>>>                 (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke
>>>>>>>>                 length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>>>>>                 oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free
>>>>>>>>                 area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>>>>                 at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse 
>>>>>>>>                 to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into
>>>>>>>>                 being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ
>>>>>>>>                 effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know
>>>>>>>>                 that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>>>>>>                 output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following the DC
>>>>>>>>                 motor principles as applied to the solenoid
>>>>>>>>                 driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free
>>>>>>>>                 also. The combo should give an Over-unity
>>>>>>>>                 output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole
>>>>>>>>                 will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
>>>>>>>>                 power to off state as magnetic flux is building
>>>>>>>>                 toward saturation there will be a huge voltage
>>>>>>>>                 spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture
>>>>>>>>                 and not send to ground as ordinary practice in
>>>>>>>>                 solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
>>>>>>>>                 capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>>>>>>                 naturally will be the over-unity factor here!
>>>>>>>>                 Interesting concept! Think about it!  Norm
>>>>>>>>                 Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC
>>>>>>>>>                 tank than otherwise, but it could also have to
>>>>>>>>>                 do with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>>>>                 using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>                 do any work but just heats the wires between
>>>>>>>>>>                 the power plant and the reactive load. This
>>>>>>>>>>                 is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be
>>>>>>>>>>                 avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>                 capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then
>>>>>>>>>>                 dumping it to an active load will still make
>>>>>>>>>>                 the power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>                 though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>>>>>                 then moving from the source to the load.
>>>>>>>>>>                 Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>                 from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>>>>>                 moving between the capacitor and inductor in
>>>>>>>>>>                 an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the
>>>>>>>>>>                 loss because of the parasitic resistance in
>>>>>>>>>>                 the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>>>>>                 <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the
>>>>>>>>>>                 patent terminology and not concerning
>>>>>>>>>>                 ourselves with the patent just a very high Q
>>>>>>>>>>                 tank.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming the
>>>>>>>>>>                 same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the inductor connected in parallel to
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Power=voltage×current, a single power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output, increasing
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the power output. In the alternative,
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>>>>>                     energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current
>>>>>>>>>>>                     and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>>>>                     at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>                     one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     phase between the current and voltage
>>>>>>>>>>>                     is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>>>>                     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>                           but,
>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift
>>>>>>>>>>>                     looks like overunity which isn't the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     case when taking into account the phase
>>>>>>>>>>>                     shift. Only real power is useful in
>>>>>>>>>>>                     doing work. Reactive power doesn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>                     work except for the small active part
>>>>>>>>>>>                     heating the the wires and other
>>>>>>>>>>>                     components because of their parasitic
>>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>>>>>>                     doing work against the resistance is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     active power and not actually reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>                     power. This is why the power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the power lines without transferring
>>>>>>>>>>>                     active power to their costumers. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>                     just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance. Resistance converts electric
>>>>>>>>>>>                     power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>>>>                     of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb energy. In a test conducted,
>>>>>>>>>>>                     on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was
>>>>>>>>>>>                     installed according to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>>>                     disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still
>>>>>>>>>>>                     running seven years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60
>>>>>>>>>>>                     W light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>>>>                     measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>>>>                     VA and the apparent power measured for
>>>>>>>>>>>                     the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126
>>>>>>>>>>>                     VA is measured at the input and a total
>>>>>>>>>>>                     of 191.5 VA is measured at the output,
>>>>>>>>>>>                     indicating an approximately 1.5 gain.
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Calculations are also shown for the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>

Kone will be the most knowledgeable on this subject of solid state 
switching of the push- pull solenoid as depicted in this set up.  All 
solid state switching modules such as IGBT, SCRs, transistors etc have 
built in self protection snubber diodes to shunt to earth ground the off 
state switching HV spike energy. Now Doug would eliminate the SHUNT 
DIODES and install sterring diodes and collection capacitor net work the 
provide a much more efficient system.

On 11/18/2018 6:38 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> This last one is your example of a solenoid driven device!
>
> On 11/18/2018 6:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> http://www.ijsrp.org/research-paper-0114/ijsrp-p2581.pdf
>>
>> On 11/18/2018 6:20 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEogsEfFXrg
>>>
>>> On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor 
>>>>> [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, 
>>>>>> as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using 
>>>>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>>>>>     principle!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Norman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>>>>>     That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>>>>>         designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear
>>>>>>>         solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type
>>>>>>>         linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked
>>>>>>>         rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see:
>>>>>>>         files I posted on DC motor characteristics. If you are
>>>>>>>         going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator
>>>>>>>         then we have to calculate the moment of inertia needed
>>>>>>>         to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and
>>>>>>>         loading factors. This will give us the duration and
>>>>>>>         magnitude of driving DC pulse. (power supply source
>>>>>>>         direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as
>>>>>>>         the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns
>>>>>>>         and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very
>>>>>>>         easily since we can select a time base for the as
>>>>>>>         natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>>>>>>>         inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in
>>>>>>>         the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>>>>>         effect does not mean that you generate a current or
>>>>>>>         wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping
>>>>>>>         into construction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get
>>>>>>>>         TV snow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>>>>>         build a working model.
>>>>>>>>         I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>>>>>         instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!
>>>>>>>>             The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the
>>>>>>>>             same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I
>>>>>>>>             studied to such detail. What made them so efficient
>>>>>>>>             was the three pole coil stator which received a
>>>>>>>>             forward going current in primary windings , magnets
>>>>>>>>             passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead
>>>>>>>>             center which charged up the condenser when current
>>>>>>>>             reached peak. When breaker points opened the
>>>>>>>>             rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole
>>>>>>>>             pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the
>>>>>>>>             primary windings and the discharge current from the
>>>>>>>>             condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>>>>>>>>             magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary
>>>>>>>>             current represented an instantaneous straight down
>>>>>>>>             line (nano second response). This was accomplished
>>>>>>>>             due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a
>>>>>>>>             perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra
>>>>>>>>             high Q) . It is important to incorporate this
>>>>>>>>             magneto electric effect into the switching design
>>>>>>>>             of the solenoid linear motor. See, there is a L-C
>>>>>>>>             high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60
>>>>>>>>             HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>>>>>             switching frequency can be selected. Just as the
>>>>>>>>             Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a relative
>>>>>>>>             low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a
>>>>>>>>             Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             Norm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>             The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>>>>>             should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>>>>>             switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>>>>>             I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>>>>>             happening in a mysterious
>>>>>>>>>             "Black box"as even discrete components in a
>>>>>>>>>             circuit can be confusing.
>>>>>>>>>             It would be so great to hear your further thoughts
>>>>>>>>>             on this subject.
>>>>>>>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>>>>>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>>                 <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a
>>>>>>>>>                 lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did
>>>>>>>>>                 a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof
>>>>>>>>>                 Lenz free motor / generator combination which
>>>>>>>>>                 is so easy to build and proof test! First of
>>>>>>>>>                 all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>>>>>>>                 the following articles:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos
>>>>>>>>>                 as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the
>>>>>>>>>                 video of the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I
>>>>>>>>>                 will propose is very simple application of DC
>>>>>>>>>                 motor principles as read from the cited
>>>>>>>>>                 references. First you make your LENZ free 
>>>>>>>>>                 motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>>>>>>>                 (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>>>>>>                 stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator
>>>>>>>>>                 (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>>>>>>>>                 free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>>>>>                 solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>>>>>                 drive switch to give an excursion rate
>>>>>>>>>                 (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a
>>>>>>>>>                 DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
>>>>>>>>>                 tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition,
>>>>>>>>>                 thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on
>>>>>>>>>                 yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out
>>>>>>>>>                 a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.
>>>>>>>>>                 Following the DC motor principles as applied
>>>>>>>>>                 to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that
>>>>>>>>>                 is LENZ free also. The combo should give an
>>>>>>>>>                 Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We
>>>>>>>>>                 know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>>>>>                 the solenoid power to off state as magnetic
>>>>>>>>>                 flux is building toward saturation there will
>>>>>>>>>                 be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which
>>>>>>>>>                 we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>>>>>>>                 ordinary practice in solid state switch design
>>>>>>>>>                 (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE
>>>>>>>>>                 energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the
>>>>>>>>>                 over-unity factor here! Interesting concept!
>>>>>>>>>                 Think about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC
>>>>>>>>>>                 tank than otherwise, but it could also have
>>>>>>>>>>                 to do with noise in the core material as I
>>>>>>>>>>                 was no using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>                 the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>>>>>                 eliminating the reactive power that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>                 do any work but just heats the wires between
>>>>>>>>>>>                 the power plant and the reactive load. This
>>>>>>>>>>>                 is expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>>>>>                 transmission lines and thus should be
>>>>>>>>>>>                 avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>>>>>>>                 capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 dumping it to an active load will still make
>>>>>>>>>>>                 the power go in just one direction even
>>>>>>>>>>>                 though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>>>>>>>>                 then moving from the source to the load.
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>>>>>>>                 from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>>>>>>                 moving between the capacitor and inductor in
>>>>>>>>>>>                 an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the
>>>>>>>>>>>                 loss because of the parasitic resistance in
>>>>>>>>>>>                 the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>>>>>>>                 <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Ole,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 Disregarding the issue at hand with the
>>>>>>>>>>>                 patent terminology and not concerning
>>>>>>>>>>>                 ourselves with the patent just a very high Q
>>>>>>>>>>>                 tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>>>>>>>                 reconnected energized back to the standing
>>>>>>>>>>>                 wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>>>>>>>                 discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is
>>>>>>>>>>>                 harvested in this manner are you claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>                 the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>>>>>>>>                 correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>>>>>                 <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     application
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the inductor connected in parallel to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Power=voltage×current, a single power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     have one electromagnetic power output
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     with less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     oscilloscope for measuring the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     voltage which means reactive power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Look at the following small videos to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     knowing how the phase between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     current and voltage is: Only the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     resistive part consumes (transforms)
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     0:42
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     1:01
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     1:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           1. but,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     The numbers without the phase shift
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     looks like overunity which isn't the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     case when taking into account the phase
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     shift. Only real power is useful in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     doing work. Reactive power doesn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     work except for the small active part
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     heating the the wires and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     components because of their parasitic
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     doing work against the resistance is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     active power and not actually reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     power. This is why the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     costumers for having high reactive
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     power going through their cables which
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     heats the power lines without
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     transferring active power to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     costumers. It's just pure loss because
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the wires have resistance. Resistance
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Just looked at the figures and found
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     embodiment of the present disclosure
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     that conserves light bulb energy. In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     light bulb was installed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     illustrate energy conservation for a 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     W light bulb. The voltage applied at
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the power input is 115 V. The apparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     power for the Power Input Line (Line
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     apparent power measured for the shed
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     power measured for the light bulb is 65
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     are also shown for the energy savings
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     Ole
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>

Norm,

How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap
from energizing?

When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the
service panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where
the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else? 

Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink
side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned
earlier there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap in
the pole pig?

Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we discussed
earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the core and
release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  Some major
issues going on here, head on backwards.

So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC hmmm...

Thanks,

Mick


On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for
> counter emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor
> conditions, the current through the windings is only limited by R =
> resitance. My dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined
> current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve
> on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at which
> point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R being the only
> limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a
> starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a value of 5 mfd, both
> of which are in circuit when current limiting relay drops circuit open
> yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For
> it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be isolated from
> neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth
> bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
>
> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is
>> also known as stalled rotor.
>>
>> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic
>> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor)
>> this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator.
>> The motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>>
>> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor
>> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to
>> the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems
>> like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>>
>> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
>> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday
>> accepted definition?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>>     Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>>     with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which
>>>     is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>     what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>
>>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>
>>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>
>>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>
>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>
>>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC
>>>     motor principles as read from the cited references. First you
>>>     make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>>     (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive
>>>     the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>     LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>     controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>>>     excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in
>>>     LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>>     on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>>     output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor
>>>     principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor
>>>     that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity
>>>     output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>     when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>     is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike
>>>     (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground
>>>     as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>     diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs
>>>     naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting
>>>     concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>
>>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Ole,
>>>>
>>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>     otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core
>>>>     material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>>
>>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>     real power?"
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>     expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>>     thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>>     capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>     active load will still make the power go in just one direction
>>>>>     even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving
>>>>>     from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy
>>>>>     moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>     between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure
>>>>>     reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>     resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regards
>>>>>     Ole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>     Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and
>>>>>     not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>     real power?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited below.
>>>>>>         I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>>         series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>         inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>>         Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>>>         branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>         power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>         energy input."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>>>         measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>         displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>         reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see
>>>>>>         how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase
>>>>>>         between the current and voltage is: Only the the
>>>>>>         resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in
>>>>>>         figure 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>>
>

Hey Warren I have a Friend that has a magnetic repulsion Motor I have shown it on this forum before and a lot of People have built different variations of it before they are all over Utube the Gap Motor, Ed has his Phone Number posted on one of his Utubes he is a super nice Guy and will talk about it when I first got to know him He took Me into his basement and let me look at everything and answered all My questions ,he lives in Abingdon Va about an hours drive from meSteve


-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
To: EVGRAY <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2018 7:00 am
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: Neutral spike

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 https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/transformers-phase-converters-and-vfd/g-e-repulsion-induction-motor-what-does-mean-245846/    My Dad had an air compressor in shop that had one of the Replusion Start 5 HP motors.  
  On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norman Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
   On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norman Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap? That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine? Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear  solenoid or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick  into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on DC motor  characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate  the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the famous Child  on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can  select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.  
   On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow. Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a  working model. I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions,  so try to help us out here. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as  the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which  received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which  charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker  points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces  inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary  windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary  current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano  second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the  .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil  impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto  electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid  linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity,  any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a  relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
   On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norm The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for  applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a  mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:            Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free  motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof  test! First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the  following articles: https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/ http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor  principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area  of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive  switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By  using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR  condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output  (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid  driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky  part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to  capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in  solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
   On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      Ole, I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I  was no using an air inductor.
  
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    Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the  standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for  the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be  avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power  go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The  energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy  moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving  between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components  and wires.
 
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   Ole, Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not  concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
  If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the  reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged  disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the  reactive back into real power? 
  
  On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the  power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
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 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
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