Re: [EVGRAY] Experts agree on advantages of direct current power in buildings – Physics World

And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.


On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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If the DC system is going to use mechanical switches at high voltage it may have the same trouble as when using 36 to 48V DC in cars. The arc formed in the switches blow out too late to prevent the contacts from evaporating too fast. Switching AC stops the electric arc each time the voltage change sign at the zero crossings.

'Whatever Happened to the 42-Volt Car?:' https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a2198/4226979/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a2198/4226979/

Regards
Ole
 

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Hi Norman,

The article also mentions the car has a 12V system. Thus many of the components are probably standard 12V components. High power parts like the motor and the battery are run at the high voltage and probably use electronic pulse switching (and snubbers).

Regards
Ole
 

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Norm,

I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology. 
That is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the
phase conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line
going some distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works
but would guess it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow
and the reverse imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it
self sustains for more than microseconds is fascinating and must have
something to do with spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla
coils you scrapped Bob Golka was investigating ball lightening but I
never heard if anyone got a solid handle on the workings.


On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just
> because I posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots! 
> Yes! the cost to retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time
> delays on branch circuits and other measures to control inrush
> currents of thousands of amps DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I
> had a close friend (RIP) who pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch
> on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating back to the early twenties in
> a downtown Dallas commercial building. On opening the switch a
> basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the switch and fell to
> the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the basement and
> exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the early days
> of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
>
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on
>> the current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in
>> Tesla's days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current
>> charging of building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
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Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because 
I posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots! Yes! the cost 
to retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch 
circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of 
amps DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) 
who pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler 
motor dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial 
building. On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled 
out of the switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to 
a wall in the basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla 
described in the early days of DC main buss power and the problems with 
switching!


On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the 
> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in 
> Tesla's days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current 
> charging of building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>
>
> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
>>
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Interesting way of looking at it John!


On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such
> as batteries and generators...
>
> Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>
> Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
> flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>
> So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
> flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>
> Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the
> energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in
> too much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
>
> So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is
> collapsing of an aetheric circuit!
>
> And collapses bring in energy.
>
> If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
> aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Norm,
>
>     I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the
>     technology.  That is quite something with the ball lightening,
>     must have been the phase conjugate from the motor reflecting along
>     a transmission line going some distance.  I don't understand how
>     the ball of plasma works but would guess it is a balance between
>     the expanding forward time flow and the reverse imploding time
>     flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for more
>     than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do
>     with spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you
>     scrapped Bob Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never
>     heard if anyone got a solid handle on the workings.
>
>
>     On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just
>>     because I posted it does not mean that I agree with these
>>     idiots!  Yes! the cost to retrofit a skyscraper main electrical
>>     buss with time delays on branch circuits and other measures to
>>     control inrush currents of thousands of amps DC (SURGE) would be
>>     cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who pulled a huge
>>     Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating
>>     back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial
>>     building. On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning
>>     rolled out of the switch and fell to the concrete floor then
>>     skittered over to a wall in the basement and exploded. The very
>>     same thing that Tesla described in the early days of DC main buss
>>     power and the problems with switching!
>>
>>
>>     On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned
>>>     on the current kick along the transmission line may be an issue
>>>     like in Tesla's days not to mention the AC prevents displacement
>>>     current charging of building materials that may end up being
>>>     natural capacitors.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>     https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
>>>>     <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>>>>
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>

Hi John
If thinking " no direvtion" as in instantaneous stiff and events faster than speed of light for example your description of the aether If energy becomes very similar to nature's inherent backemf forces....just thinking..
Kone

Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as
batteries and generators...

Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.

Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
flow, that is why he has short impulses...

So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
flowing, unseen, unrecognized.

Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the energy,
but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too much other
energy and this is when you get a large spike!

So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing
of an aetheric circuit!

And collapses bring in energy.

If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That
> is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase
> conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some
> distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess
> it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse
> imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for
> more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with
> spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob
> Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a
> solid handle on the workings.
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I
> posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
> retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch
> circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps
> DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who
> pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor
> dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building.
> On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
> switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the
> basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the
> early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
> days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
> building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>
> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> 
>

I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field application ..

Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field in the intended location with the conduit characteristics wire length ( wavelength )
mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...

it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the hell of whatever
switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at shutdown not to mention of what will happen to what is connected as a load ! 

Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is another world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they burn the hell  out of their flawed designs ! 

(H) 
 

---In [email protected], <aether22@...> wrote :

 Glad you like it Mick... 

 Way to test idea...
 

 Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...   Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.
 

 Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently, this means use some other metals as conductors also...
 

 Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists).
 Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity...
 

 Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as no load.
 

 Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...
 

 Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it) the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater interaction with more environmental energy.
 

 I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current flow.
 

 



 On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

   
 Interesting way of looking at it John!

 
 On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@... mailto:aether22@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as batteries and generators... 

 Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
 

 Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current flow, that is why he has short impulses...
 

 So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
 

 Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
 

 So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing of an aetheric circuit!
 

 And collapses bring in energy.
 

 If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..

 
 On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

   
 Norm,
 I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a solid handle on the workings.

 
 On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building. On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!

 
 On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.

 
 On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
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John,

The switch closure voltage is from the interference with the earth
magnetic flux along a transmission line, same as the "kick" Steven Mark
speaks of in the TPU and tube heater elements.  Just take some jumper
cables and short them at the end and put them out straight then touch a
battery and hope they don't get stuck and they will physically move.  Of
course don't try this with a battery that has a recent charge and still
has hydroxy everywhere.


On 9/1/2018 12:42 AM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
>
> A lot of it is not theoretical.
>
> Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not reliably, which
> means that sometimes something is different.
>
> I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger than
> those regular voltage can jump.
>
> Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to separate the
> two sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric energy flow.
> I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books...
> Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding electricity
> and aether.
> Also this jives with my own experience.
>
> So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages and
> currents far in excess of what the applied generator can provide?
>
> Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed.
>
>
> H:  another is the field application ...  Read genesis papers
>
> Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance coil in the
> Genesis paper about a decade before it was published, I shared it
> publicly, well, in the old Keelynet chat room.
>
> Might have just been a coincidence.
> At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high voltage
> DC to produce negative inductance, and beyond the initial claim no one
> has shown it to work.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field
>     application ..
>
>     Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field
>     in the intended location with the conduit characteristics wire
>     length ( wavelength )
>     mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...
>
>     it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the
>     hell of whatever
>     switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at
>     shutdown not to mention of what will happen to what is connected
>     as a load !
>
>     Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is
>     another world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they
>     burn the hell  out of their flawed designs !
>
>     (H)
>
>
>
>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>     <aether22@...> wrote :
>
>     Glad you like it Mick...
>
>     Way to test idea...
>
>     Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of
>     volts...   Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC
>     generator, could maybe be batteries, but not all electrical
>     sources are equal aetherically.
>
>     Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed
>     recently, this means use some other metals as conductors also...
>
>     Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like
>     a closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist
>     insulated wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through
>     twists).
>     Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot
>     pass over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with
>     sensitivity...
>
>     Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run
>     for a long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy
>     cost to this as no load.
>
>     Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...
>
>     Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows
>     through it) the better, a large loop might be best, this will give
>     it a greater interaction with more environmental energy.
>
>     I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely
>     based on this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make
>     electrical current flow.
>
>
>
>         On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@...
>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>              
>
>             Interesting way of looking at it John!
>
>
>             On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@...
>             <mailto:aether22@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>              
>>             Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical
>>             sources such as batteries and generators...
>>
>>             Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>>
>>             Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse
>>             aetheric current flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>>
>>             So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric
>>             energy is already flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>>
>>             Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat
>>             up all the energy, but sometimes it is to much and the
>>             aetheric energy pulls in too much other energy and this
>>             is when you get a large spike!
>>
>>             So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather
>>             it is collapsing of an aetheric circuit!
>>
>>             And collapses bring in energy.
>>
>>             If you never fully collapse and never reverse the
>>             direction, then the aetheric energy can remain and
>>             somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>>
>>             On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@...
>>             <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Norm,
>>
>>                 I was commenting on the article not your opinion of
>>                 the technology.  That is quite something with the
>>                 ball lightening, must have been the phase conjugate
>>                 from the motor reflecting along a transmission line
>>                 going some distance.  I don't understand how the ball
>>                 of plasma works but would guess it is a balance
>>                 between the expanding forward time flow and the
>>                 reverse imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere
>>                 but how it self sustains for more than microseconds
>>                 is fascinating and must have something to do with
>>                 spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla
>>                 coils you scrapped Bob Golka was investigating ball
>>                 lightening but I never heard if anyone got a solid
>>                 handle on the workings.
>>
>>
>>                 On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>                 <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this
>>>                 subject!!!!  Just because I posted it does not mean
>>>                 that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
>>>                 retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time
>>>                 delays on branch circuits and other measures to
>>>                 control inrush currents of thousands of amps DC
>>>                 (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close
>>>                 friend (RIP) who pulled a huge Frankenstein knife
>>>                 switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating back
>>>                 to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas
>>>                 commercial building. On opening the switch a
>>>                 basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
>>>                 switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered
>>>                 over to a wall in the basement and exploded. The
>>>                 very same thing that Tesla described in the early
>>>                 days of DC main buss power and the problems with
>>>                 switching!
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>                 And when the power in the basement of a DC
>>>>                 skyscraper is turned on the current kick along the
>>>>                 transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
>>>>                 days not to mention the AC prevents displacement
>>>>                 current charging of building materials that may end
>>>>                 up being natural capacitors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@....
>>>>                 <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>                  
>>>>>                 https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
>>>>>                 <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>>>>>
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>
>

Glad you like it Mick...

Way to test idea...

Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...
 Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be
batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.

Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently, this
means use some other metals as conductors also...

Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a closed
circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated wires
around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists).
Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass
over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity...

Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a long
long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as no
load.

Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...

Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it)
the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater
interaction with more environmental energy.

I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on
this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current
flow.



On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Interesting way of looking at it John!
>
> On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as
> batteries and generators...
>
> Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>
> Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
> flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>
> So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
> flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>
> Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the
> energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too
> much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
>
> So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing
> of an aetheric circuit!
>
> And collapses bring in energy.
>
> If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
> aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That
>> is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase
>> conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some
>> distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess
>> it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse
>> imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for
>> more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with
>> spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob
>> Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a
>> solid handle on the workings.
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I
>> posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
>> retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch
>> circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps
>> DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who
>> pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor
>> dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building.
>> On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
>> switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the
>> basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the
>> early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
>> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
>> days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
>> building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

When I was in the six hour long thunderstorm inside the boat I noticed the hair on my arms stand out straight as if I were charged with a Van de Graff generator, while all around me lighning was striking the water in a circle about 60 degrees from the top of the main mast. There were no strikes inside that circle, yet, as far as one could see, the water was being constantly hit. The sound of crashes was constant, without interuption.I am not sure what can be learned from these observations.Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 12:07 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

John,
 
The switch closure voltage is from the interference with the earth magnetic flux along a transmission line, same as the "kick" Steven Mark speaks of in the TPU and tube heater elements.  Just take some jumper cables and short them at the end and put them out straight then touch a battery and hope they don't get stuck and they will physically move.  Of course don't try this with a battery that has a recent charge and still has hydroxy everywhere.
 
 
 On 9/1/2018 12:42 AM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      
|  
| 
   |

  |

         
H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
 A lot of it is not theoretical.
 
 Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not reliably, which means that sometimes something is different.
 
 I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger than those regular voltage can jump. 
  Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to separate the two sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric energy flow. I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books... Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding electricity and aether. Also this jives with my own experience. 
  So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages and currents far in excess of what the applied generator can provide? 
  Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed. 
  
 
H:  another is the field application ...  Read genesis papers
 Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance coil in the Genesis paper about a decade before it was published, I shared it publicly, well, in the old Keelynet chat room.
 
 Might have just been a coincidence. At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high voltage DC to produce negative inductance, and beyond the initial claim no one has shown it to work. 
         
  On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
       
I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field application ..
 
 Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field in the intended location with the conduit characteristics wire length ( wavelength )
 mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...
 
 it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the hell of whatever
 switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at shutdown not to mention of what will happen to what is connected as a load ! 
 
 Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is another world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they burn the hell  out of their flawed designs ! 
 
 (H) 
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <aether22@...> wrote :
 
  Glad you like it Mick... 
  Way to test idea... 
  Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...   Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically. 
  Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently, this means use some other metals as conductors also... 
  Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists). Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity... 
  Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as no load. 
  Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed... 
  Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it) the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater interaction with more environmental energy. 
  I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current flow. 
  
   
 
  On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
       
Interesting way of looking at it John!
 
 
 On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as batteries and generators...  
  Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem. 
  Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current flow, that is why he  has short impulses... 
  So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already flowing, unseen,  unrecognized. 
  Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the energy, but  sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too much other energy and this is when you get  a large spike! 
  So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing of an aetheric circuit! 
  And collapses bring in energy. 
  If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the aetheric energy can remain and  somewhat as with a Tesla system..  
  On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
       
Norm,
 
I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That is quite something with the ball lightening, must have  been the phase conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but  would guess it is a balance between the expanding forward time  flow and the reverse imploding time flow somehow  creates a sphere but how it self sustains for more than microseconds  is fascinating and must have something to do with  spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob Golka was investigating  ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a solid handle on the workings.
 
 
 On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I posted it does not mean that I agree with these  idiots!  Yes! the cost to retrofit a skyscraper main electrical  buss with time delays on branch circuits and other measures to  control inrush currents of thousands of amps DC (SURGE) would  be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who pulled a huge Frankenstein  knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building. On  opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall  in the basement and exploded. The very same thing that  Tesla described in the early days of DC main buss power and the problems  with switching!
 
 
 On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is  turned on the current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's days not to mention the AC prevents displacement  current charging of building materials that may end up  being natural capacitors.
 
 
 On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@.... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ 
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John,

Yes there is a distinction the Aether travels along in rivers and eddys
which move with the magnetic field of the planet.   With a transmission
line it acts similar to a coil with short sharp shocks there is charge
bunching which raises voltage, how the aether and conductor interact to
perform this function you may be more familiar with.


On 9/1/2018 4:06 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Reply to Warren 2, I would note that while you would assume that your
> boat would be the perfect conductor for a lightening strike...
>
> The way to stop a Van De Graaff from charging to a full voltage is to
> bleed the the charge before it build up, you and your boat might have
> been enough to do that.
>
> Reply to Mick 2, I think you are confusing the current spike that
> comes from shorting a battery and a voltage spike that comes from the
> supercharging effect, where the voltage on closure of a switch lead to
> a massive jump in voltage that cannot be explained by any conventional
> electromagnetic understanding, and this effect is not reliable or
> common, it is not reliably reproduced with normal means, so it
> involves something else not normally controlled for..
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:22 AM Warren Keillor
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     When I was in the six hour long thunderstorm inside the boat I
>     noticed the hair on my arms stand out straight as if I were
>     charged with a Van de Graff generator, while all around me
>     lighning was striking the water in a circle about 60 degrees from
>     the top of the main mast. There were no strikes inside that
>     circle, yet, as far as one could see, the water was being
>     constantly hit. The sound of crashes was constant, without
>     interuption.
>
>     I am not sure what can be learned from these observations.
>     Cheers Warren
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>         On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 12:07 PM, Mick [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>          
>
>         John,
>
>         The switch closure voltage is from the interference with the
>         earth magnetic flux along a transmission line, same as the
>         "kick" Steven Mark speaks of in the TPU and tube heater
>         elements.  Just take some jumper cables and short them at the
>         end and put them out straight then touch a battery and hope
>         they don't get stuck and they will physically move.  Of course
>         don't try this with a battery that has a recent charge and
>         still has hydroxy everywhere.
>
>
>         On 9/1/2018 12:42 AM, John Berry [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         alt
>>
>>         H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
>>
>>         A lot of it is not theoretical.
>>
>>         Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not
>>         reliably, which means that sometimes something is different.
>>
>>         I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger
>>         than those regular voltage can jump.
>>
>>         Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to
>>         separate the two sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric
>>         energy flow.
>>         I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books...
>>         Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding
>>         electricity and aether.
>>         Also this jives with my own experience.
>>
>>         So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages
>>         and currents far in excess of what the applied generator can
>>         provide?
>>
>>         Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed.
>>
>>
>>         H:  another is the field application ...  Read genesis papers
>>
>>         Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance
>>         coil in the Genesis paper about a decade before it was
>>         published, I shared it publicly, well, in the old Keelynet
>>         chat room.
>>
>>         Might have just been a coincidence.
>>         At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high
>>         voltage DC to produce negative inductance, and beyond the
>>         initial claim no one has shown it to work.
>>
>>
>>         On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>              
>>
>>             I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is
>>             the field application ..
>>
>>             Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the
>>             DC field in the intended location with the conduit
>>             characteristics wire length ( wavelength )
>>             mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation
>>             potential ...
>>
>>             it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it
>>             burns the hell of whatever
>>             switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike
>>             at shutdown not to mention of what will happen to what is
>>             connected as a load !
>>
>>             Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse
>>             .... DC is another world and not too many engineers
>>             understand ,. until they burn the hell  out of their
>>             flawed designs !
>>
>>             (H)
>>
>>
>>
>>             ---In [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>, <aether22@...>
>>             <mailto:aether22@...> wrote :
>>
>>             Glad you like it Mick...
>>
>>             Way to test idea...
>>
>>             Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally
>>             thousands of volts...   Could be a DC generator, probably
>>             a rectified AC generator, could maybe be batteries, but
>>             not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.
>>
>>             Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as
>>             discussed recently, this means use some other metals as
>>             conductors also...
>>
>>             Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which
>>             looks like a closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to
>>             do this is to twist insulated wires around each other.
>>             (aetheric energy passes through twists).
>>             Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the
>>             HV cannot pass over, but which the aetheric energy can,
>>             can be tested with sensitivity...
>>
>>             Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the
>>             circuit run for a long long time, days maybe open
>>             circuit...   Little energy cost to this as no load..
>>
>>             Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get
>>             killed...
>>
>>             Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current
>>             flows through it) the better, a large loop might be best,
>>             this will give it a greater interaction with more
>>             environmental energy.
>>
>>             I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working
>>             largely based on this, the collapse of an aetheric
>>             current when you make electrical current flow.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@...
>>                 <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>                      
>>
>>                     Interesting way of looking at it John!
>>
>>
>>                     On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@...
>>                     <mailto:aether22@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>                      
>>>                     Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many
>>>                     electrical sources such as batteries and
>>>                     generators...
>>>
>>>                     Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a
>>>                     problem.
>>>
>>>                     Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can
>>>                     collapse aetheric current flow, that is why he
>>>                     has short impulses...
>>>
>>>                     So in a DC system with an open circuit, the
>>>                     aetheric energy is already flowing, unseen,
>>>                     unrecognized.
>>>
>>>                     Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try
>>>                     and eat up all the energy, but sometimes it is
>>>                     to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too
>>>                     much other energy and this is when you get a
>>>                     large spike!
>>>
>>>                     So, it's not really closing an electrical
>>>                     circuit, rather it is collapsing of an aetheric
>>>                     circuit!
>>>
>>>                     And collapses bring in energy.
>>>
>>>                     If you never fully collapse and never reverse
>>>                     the direction, then the aetheric energy can
>>>                     remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>>>
>>>                     On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick
>>>                     mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>                     <[email protected]
>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                          
>>>
>>>                         Norm,
>>>
>>>                         I was commenting on the article not your
>>>                         opinion of the technology.  That is quite
>>>                         something with the ball lightening, must
>>>                         have been the phase conjugate from the motor
>>>                         reflecting along a transmission line going
>>>                         some distance.  I don't understand how the
>>>                         ball of plasma works but would guess it is a
>>>                         balance between the expanding forward time
>>>                         flow and the reverse imploding time flow
>>>                         somehow creates a sphere but how it self
>>>                         sustains for more than microseconds is
>>>                         fascinating and must have something to do
>>>                         with spin and harvesting the ambient.  I
>>>                         know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob Golka
>>>                         was investigating ball lightening but I
>>>                         never heard if anyone got a solid handle on
>>>                         the workings.
>>>
>>>
>>>                         On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>                         nwootan@.... <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>                         wrote:
>>>>                          
>>>>
>>>>                         Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on
>>>>                         this subject!!!!  Just because I posted it
>>>>                         does not mean that I agree with these
>>>>                         idiots!  Yes! the cost to retrofit a
>>>>                         skyscraper main electrical buss with time
>>>>                         delays on branch circuits and other
>>>>                         measures to control inrush currents of
>>>>                         thousands of amps DC (SURGE) would be cost
>>>>                         prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP)
>>>>                         who pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch
>>>>                         on a 100 HP DC air handler motor dating
>>>>                         back to the early twenties in a downtown
>>>>                         Dallas commercial building. On opening the
>>>>                         switch a basketball size Ball Lightning
>>>>                         rolled out of the switch and fell to the
>>>>                         concrete floor then skittered over to a
>>>>                         wall in the basement and exploded. The very
>>>>                         same thing that Tesla described in the
>>>>                         early days of DC main buss power and the
>>>>                         problems with switching!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@...
>>>>                         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>                          
>>>>>
>>>>>                         And when the power in the basement of a DC
>>>>>                         skyscraper is turned on the current kick
>>>>>                         along the transmission line may be an
>>>>>                         issue like in Tesla's days not to mention
>>>>>                         the AC prevents displacement current
>>>>>                         charging of building materials that may
>>>>>                         end up being natural capacitors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>                         nwootan@.... <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>                         wrote:
>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>                         https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/
>>>>>>                         <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>                         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
A lot of it is not theoretical.

Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not reliably, which means
that sometimes something is different.

I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger than those
regular voltage can jump.

Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to separate the two
sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric energy flow.
I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books...
Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding electricity and
aether.
Also this jives with my own experience.

So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages and currents
far in excess of what the applied generator can provide?

Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed.


H:  another is the field application ..  Read genesis papers
Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance coil in the
Genesis paper about a decade before it was published, I shared it publicly,
well, in the old Keelynet chat room.

Might have just been a coincidence.
At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high voltage DC to
produce negative inductance, and beyond the initial claim no one has shown
it to work.


On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field
> application ..
>
> Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field in the
> intended location with the conduit characteristics wire length ( wavelength
> )
> mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...
>
> it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the hell of
> whatever
> switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at shutdown not to
> mention of what will happen to what is connected as a load !
>
> Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is another
> world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they burn the hell
> out of their flawed designs !
>
> (H)
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <aether22@...> wrote :
>
> Glad you like it Mick...
>
> Way to test idea...
>
> Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...
>  Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be
> batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.
>
> Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently,
> this means use some other metals as conductors also...
>
> Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a
> closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated
> wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists).
> Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass
> over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity...
>
> Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a
> long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as
> no load.
>
> Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...
>
> Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it)
> the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater
> interaction with more environmental energy.
>
> I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on
> this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current
> flow.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting way of looking at it John!
>
> On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as
> batteries and generators...
>
> Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>
> Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
> flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>
> So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
> flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>
> Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the
> energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too
> much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
>
> So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing
> of an aetheric circuit!
>
> And collapses bring in energy.
>
> If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
> aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That
> is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase
> conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some
> distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess
> it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse
> imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for
> more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with
> spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob
> Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a
> solid handle on the workings.
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I
> posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
> retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch
> circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps
> DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who
> pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor
> dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building.
> On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
> switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the
> basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the
> early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
> days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
> building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>
> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Mick, that's not a mechanism, it is a vague explanation akin to a
superstition.

You can take magnets and wind a coil and pulse current through and good
luck finding and spike on switch closure.
Even if the coil collapses the magnets field as it turns on, the coil will
still face impedance to the initiation of a current.

Warren, that is interesting, it seems you would have likely glowed with a
St. Elmo's fire...   Glad you were ok, sounds super freaking risky.
Did the hair raise and fall with the discharges (lightening strikes)?

It is worth noting your boat was charged to a voltage, and there were
inductive spikes...  Potentially sufficient conditions for the Genesis
mechanism to be induced in the electrical system.



On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:07 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> John,
>
> The switch closure voltage is from the interference with the earth
> magnetic flux along a transmission line, same as the "kick" Steven Mark
> speaks of in the TPU and tube heater elements.  Just take some jumper
> cables and short them at the end and put them out straight then touch a
> battery and hope they don't get stuck and they will physically move.  Of
> course don't try this with a battery that has a recent charge and still has
> hydroxy everywhere.
>
> On 9/1/2018 12:42 AM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
> A lot of it is not theoretical.
>
> Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not reliably, which
> means that sometimes something is different.
>
> I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger than those
> regular voltage can jump.
>
> Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to separate the two
> sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric energy flow.
> I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books...
> Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding electricity and
> aether.
> Also this jives with my own experience.
>
> So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages and currents
> far in excess of what the applied generator can provide?
>
> Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed.
>
>
> H:  another is the field application ...  Read genesis papers
> Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance coil in the
> Genesis paper about a decade before it was published, I shared it publicly,
> well, in the old Keelynet chat room.
>
> Might have just been a coincidence.
> At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high voltage DC to
> produce negative inductance, and beyond the initial claim no one has shown
> it to work.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field
>> application ..
>>
>> Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field in the
>> intended location with the conduit characteristics wire length ( wavelength
>> )
>> mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...
>>
>> it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the hell of
>> whatever
>> switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at shutdown not
>> to mention of what will happen to what is connected as a load !
>>
>> Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is
>> another world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they burn the
>> hell  out of their flawed designs !
>>
>> (H)
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <aether22@...> <aether22@...> wrote :
>>
>> Glad you like it Mick...
>>
>> Way to test idea...
>>
>> Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...
>>  Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be
>> batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.
>>
>> Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently,
>> this means use some other metals as conductors also...
>>
>> Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a
>> closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated
>> wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists).
>> Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass
>> over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity...
>>
>> Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a
>> long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as
>> no load.
>>
>> Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...
>>
>> Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it)
>> the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater
>> interaction with more environmental energy.
>>
>> I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on
>> this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current
>> flow.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting way of looking at it John!
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as
>> batteries and generators...
>>
>> Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>>
>> Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
>> flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>>
>> So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
>> flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>>
>> Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the
>> energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too
>> much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
>>
>> So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is
>> collapsing of an aetheric circuit!
>>
>> And collapses bring in energy.
>>
>> If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
>> aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That
>> is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase
>> conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some
>> distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess
>> it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse
>> imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for
>> more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with
>> spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob
>> Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a
>> solid handle on the workings.
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I
>> posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
>> retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch
>> circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps
>> DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who
>> pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor
>> dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building.
>> On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
>> switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the
>> basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the
>> early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 11:12 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
>> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
>> days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
>> building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
>>
>> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@.... <nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

Reply to Warren 2, I would note that while you would assume that your boat
would be the perfect conductor for a lightening strike...

The way to stop a Van De Graaff from charging to a full voltage is to bleed
the the charge before it build up, you and your boat might have been enough
to do that.

Reply to Mick 2, I think you are confusing the current spike that comes
from shorting a battery and a voltage spike that comes from the
supercharging effect, where the voltage on closure of a switch lead to a
massive jump in voltage that cannot be explained by any conventional
electromagnetic understanding, and this effect is not reliable or common,
it is not reliably reproduced with normal means, so it involves something
else not normally controlled for.


On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 4:22 AM Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> When I was in the six hour long thunderstorm inside the boat I noticed the
> hair on my arms stand out straight as if I were charged with a Van de Graff
> generator, while all around me lighning was striking the water in a circle
> about 60 degrees from the top of the main mast. There were no strikes
> inside that circle, yet, as far as one could see, the water was being
> constantly hit. The sound of crashes was constant, without interuption.
> I am not sure what can be learned from these observations.
> Cheers Warren
>
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>
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 12:07 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> The switch closure voltage is from the interference with the earth
> magnetic flux along a transmission line, same as the "kick" Steven Mark
> speaks of in the TPU and tube heater elements.  Just take some jumper
> cables and short them at the end and put them out straight then touch a
> battery and hope they don't get stuck and they will physically move.  Of
> course don't try this with a battery that has a recent charge and still has
> hydroxy everywhere.
>
> On 9/1/2018 12:42 AM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> [image: alt]
>
> H: I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's
> A lot of it is not theoretical.
>
> Spikes do happen on switch closure sometimes, but not reliably, which
> means that sometimes something is different.
>
> I can feel aetheric energy and i know it can jump gaps larger than those
> regular voltage can jump.
>
> Tesla did say, or it has been claimed he said (hard to separate the two
> sometimes) that electricity killed aetheric energy flow.
> I heard this both before and in Gerry Vassalitos's books...
> Also, others of his era have said similar things regarding electricity and
> aether.
> Also this jives with my own experience.
>
> So what causes spikes to SOMETIMES create huge surge voltages and currents
> far in excess of what the applied generator can provide?
>
> Obviously there is some difference BEFORE the switch is closed.
>
>
> H:  another is the field application ...  Read genesis papers
> Funny, I actually had the idea for the negative inductance coil in the
> Genesis paper about a decade before it was published, I shared it publicly,
> well, in the old Keelynet chat room.
>
> Might have just been a coincidence.
> At any rate, Genesis needs a zero inductance coil and a high voltage DC to
> produce negative inductance, and beyond the initial claim no one has shown
> it to work.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't agree  one thing is the theoretic's another is the field
> application ..
>
> Read genesis papers , calculate the tensor created by the DC field in the
> intended location with the conduit characteristics wire length ( wavelength
> )
> mass and conduit impedance & its pair annihilation potential ...
>
> it can be a nightmare , at the  time you turn it off it burns the hell of
> whatever
> switch you use because you had created  a neutral spike at shutdown not to
> mention of what will happen to what is connected as a load !
>
> Yes! due to the opposed charges magnetic field collapse .... DC is another
> world and not too many engineers understand ,. until they burn the hell
> out of their flawed designs !
>
> (H)
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <aether22@...> <aether22@...> wrote :
>
> Glad you like it Mick...
>
> Way to test idea...
>
> Take a DC generator with a fair voltage, ideally thousands of volts...
>  Could be a DC generator, probably a rectified AC generator, could maybe be
> batteries, but not all electrical sources are equal aetherically.
>
> Use multi metals to expand the energy bandwidth as discussed recently,
> this means use some other metals as conductors also...
>
> Have an open circuit that the HV cannot jump, but which looks like a
> closed circuit to the aetheric, one way to do this is to twist insulated
> wires around each other. (aetheric energy passes through twists).
> Another way is to have a gap in the conduction path the HV cannot pass
> over, but which the aetheric energy can, can be tested with sensitivity...
>
> Next, make the generator or whatever is powering the circuit run for a
> long long time, days maybe open circuit...   Little energy cost to this as
> no load.
>
> Then, close the switch, only, don't because you might get killed...
>
> Probably the larger the circuit (even though no current flows through it)
> the better, a large loop might be best, this will give it a greater
> interaction with more environmental energy.
>
> I can't help but wonder if the Newman machine is working largely based on
> this, the collapse of an aetheric current when you make electrical current
> flow.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting way of looking at it John!
>
> On 8/30/2018 7:20 PM, John Berry aether22@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Aetheric energy is induced to flow from many electrical sources such as
> batteries and generators...
>
> Aetheric energy can jump large gaps without a problem.
>
> Electrical current flow as Tesla claimed can collapse aetheric current
> flow, that is why he has short impulses...
>
> So in a DC system with an open circuit, the aetheric energy is already
> flowing, unseen, unrecognized.
>
> Suddenly the current flows and the electrons try and eat up all the
> energy, but sometimes it is to much and the aetheric energy pulls in too
> much other energy and this is when you get a large spike!
>
> So, it's not really closing an electrical circuit, rather it is collapsing
> of an aetheric circuit!
>
> And collapses bring in energy.
>
> If you never fully collapse and never reverse the direction, then the
> aetheric energy can remain and somewhat as with a Tesla system..
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:41 AM Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> I was commenting on the article not your opinion of the technology.  That
> is quite something with the ball lightening, must have been the phase
> conjugate from the motor reflecting along a transmission line going some
> distance.  I don't understand how the ball of plasma works but would guess
> it is a balance between the expanding forward time flow and the reverse
> imploding time flow somehow creates a sphere but how it self sustains for
> more than microseconds is fascinating and must have something to do with
> spin and harvesting the ambient.  I know the Tesla coils you scrapped Bob
> Golka was investigating ball lightening but I never heard if anyone got a
> solid handle on the workings.
>
> On 8/30/2018 11:46 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!!!! You misinterpret  my feeling on this subject!!!!  Just because I
> posted it does not mean that I agree with these idiots!  Yes! the cost to
> retrofit a skyscraper main electrical buss with time delays on branch
> circuits and other measures to control inrush currents of thousands of amps
> DC (SURGE) would be cost prohibitive.  I had a close friend (RIP) who
> pulled a huge Frankenstein knife switch on a 100 HP DC air handler motor
> dating back to the early twenties in a downtown Dallas commercial building.
> On opening the switch a basketball size Ball Lightning rolled out of the
> switch and fell to the concrete floor then skittered over to a wall in the
> basement and exploded. The very same thing that Tesla described in the
> early days of DC main buss power and the problems with switching!
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> And when the power in the basement of a DC skyscraper is turned on the
> current kick along the transmission line may be an issue like in Tesla's
> days not to mention the AC prevents displacement current charging of
> building materials that may end up being natural capacitors.
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> On 8/30/2018 3:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@.... <nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
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> https://physicsworld.com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/ <https://physicsworld..com/a/experts-agree-on-advantages-of-direct-current-power-in-buildings/>
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Collapsing high voltage high current DC causes massive earth reflective magnetic field inrush typically 3000% OU.   

 One of Tesla Hints to access free energy.

Please don't get distracted with catch phrases like aether and etheric energy, telluric currents, schumann resonance, swamp gas, etc.  There is no need to search for a new hidden type of energy previously untouched by human hands. 

 Things are far more simple than that. 
 

 Its called the magnetic field. Its the same source of energy which powers motors and generators around the world and the only difference is one you pay for and one you don't if designed correctly. If you want an OU device learn how to access the magnetic field.  Think of a regular generator using a stator and rotor and convert to solid state.  MAX VSWR and Power Factor is KEY.  Use RF as a modulator. DC as a Carrier.
 

 Kapandze, Ruslan, Akula, TPU, Vasmos, they are all the same just the coils are wound different.

If you want an OU device learn how to access the magnetic field.  Think of a regular generator using a stator and rotor and convert to solid state.  MAX VSWR and Power Factor is KEY.  Use RF as a modulator. DC as a Carrier.

 

 Good to see you posting here, good work.
 

 Would you care to elaborate a bit on the above?
 

 Thanks
 

 Ron