Re: [EVGRAY] Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets

Hermes,

Lots on the page which experiment did you perform?

Noticed the data on water in a diesel engine.  One should be
trepidatious  with this concept as there used to be water injection kits
for Diesel engines but they are no longer available as they had a
tendency to bend connecting rods and or score main bearings.  A gasoline
engine can accept water vapor without issue but for some reason diesels
can be killed likely due to the expansion from water vapor having more
phase change expansion volume than the Diesel oil so likely requires
more advance before injection or less compression. 


On 8/25/2018 7:10 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Hi all, I have done some free energy experiments with a**Bifilar Coil
> for Electromagnets.
>
> http://gratisenergi.se/tesla.htm
>
> It didn't work. Any comments?
>
> Best Wishes, Hermes
>
>
>

Hi all, I have done some free energy experiments with a Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets.
 

 http://gratisenergi.se/tesla.htm http://gratisenergi.se/tesla.htm
 

 It didn't work. Any comments?
 

 Best Wishes, Hermes

ONE SHOULD ALSO BE TREPIDATIOUS  (CAREFUL) WHEN installing water injection on a gasoline engine !!  I installed water injection on my HOT ROD 500 hp and  BENT A ROD !!   SO JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON THE AMOUNT THAT IS INJECTED!! 

    On Saturday, August 25, 2018 9:46 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

      Hermes, Lots on the page which experiment did you perform? Noticed the data on water in a diesel engine.  One should be trepidatious  with this concept as there used to be water injection kits for Diesel engines but they are no longer available as they had a tendency to bend connecting rods and or score main bearings.  A gasoline engine can accept water vapor without issue but for some reason diesels can be killed likely due to the expansion from water vapor having more phase change expansion volume than the Diesel oil so likely requires more advance before injection or less compression.  
  
 On 8/25/2018 7:10 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Hi all, I have done some free energy experiments with a Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets. 
  http://gratisenergi.se/tesla.htm 
  It didn't work. Any comments? 
  Best Wishes, Hermes
  
   
 
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Hi James
Perhaps "bifilar backemf"  (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
Kone

Norm, You may find this interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM


On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again,
> Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when
> he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a
> long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip
> wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly
> wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the
> vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar
> should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8
> Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed
> by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find
> a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch
> on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180
> degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought
> up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance
> there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields
> although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being
> consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was
> converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air
> core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the
> equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any
> detectable fields???
>
> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>
> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Hi Kone,
>>
>> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into
>> a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at
>> how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which
>> makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything.
>> He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But
>> the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are
>> completed and working.
>>
>> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of
>> those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy.
>> Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes
>> in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater
>> than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess
>> free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether
>> of electrons (or positrons).
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>
>> Hi James
>> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a
>> bifilar coil)
>> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive
>> kickback spikes produced.
>> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating
>> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed
>> but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill
>> up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W
>> B Smith writings.
>> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever
>> they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection
>> back to primary input.
>> Kone
>
>

The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive
being high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment had
substantial B field component.  I have found without the high current
low impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a current
buffer experiments some times turn out with an improper assessment. 

How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?

Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp in
cross phase?

I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono
cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the
channels 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono player. 
The mono addition volume is low and the main component of the 400hz 
gone so just a dull sounding almost off frequency playback.  Now if two
tapes were used and two mono players at the same time the cancelled
muffled sound went away and the original tone reappeared but
interestingly enough the rebuilt tone was no longer localized but rather
seemed to come from everywhere at once.  400hz is easy to localize so
this was surprising and astonishing in some ways when one considers the
math.


On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again,
> Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when
> he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a
> long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip
> wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly
> wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the
> vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar
> should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8
> Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed
> by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find
> a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch
> on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180
> degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought
> up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance
> there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields
> although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being
> consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was
> converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air
> core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the
> equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any
> detectable fields???
>
> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>
> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Hi Kone,
>>
>> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into
>> a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at
>> how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which
>> makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything.
>> He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But
>> the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are
>> completed and working.
>>
>> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of
>> those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy.
>> Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes
>> in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater
>> than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess
>> free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether
>> of electrons (or positrons).
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>
>> Hi James
>> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a
>> bifilar coil)
>> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive
>> kickback spikes produced.
>> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating
>> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed
>> but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill
>> up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W
>> B Smith writings.
>> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever
>> they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection
>> back to primary input.
>> Kone
>
>

Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, 
Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he 
published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long 
solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was 
careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that 
mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the 
electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I 
used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance 
needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine 
wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point 
for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the 
stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase 
into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power 
dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable 
fields either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters 
showed a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your 
opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was 
associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase 
cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy 
become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field


On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Kone,
>
> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a 
> coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how 
> Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes 
> it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has 
> overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the 
> progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are 
> completed and working.
>
> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of 
> those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. 
> Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes 
> in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater 
> than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess 
> free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether 
> of electrons (or positrons).
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>
> Hi James
> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a 
> bifilar coil)
> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive 
> kickback spikes produced.
> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating 
> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed 
> but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill 
> up separate caps for each bifilar half.
> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W 
> B Smith writings.
> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever 
> they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection 
> back to primary input.
> Kone
>

Interesting!  Yes, but he was not doing phase cancellation. just 
comparing efficiencies between the two coils!


On 8/27/2018 9:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm, You may find this interesting
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, 
>> Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when 
>> he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound 
>> a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip 
>> wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly 
>> wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the 
>> vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar 
>> should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 
>> 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when 
>> fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to 
>> find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can 
>> watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 
>> 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When 
>> brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm 
>> impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic 
>> fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of 
>> energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the 
>> power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in 
>> the air core windings. When phase cancellation removes the vectors 
>> from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without 
>> any detectable fields???
>>
>> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>>
>> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kone,
>>>
>>> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into 
>>> a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at 
>>> how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which 
>>> makes it drive different loads without having to readjust 
>>> everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something 
>>> like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET 
>>> hex bridges are completed and working.
>>>
>>> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both 
>>> of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of 
>>> energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. 
>>> Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to 
>>> be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. 
>>> The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic 
>>> background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Hi James
>>> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a 
>>> bifilar coil)
>>> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive 
>>> kickback spikes produced.
>>> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating 
>>> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>>> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>>> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power 
>>> feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>>> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill 
>>> up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>>> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from 
>>> W B Smith writings.
>>> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever 
>>> they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection 
>>> back to primary input.
>>> Kone
>>
>
>

Hi Kone,

The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.

Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi James
 Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
 Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
 This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
 And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
 Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
 Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
 Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
 The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
 Kone

Yes but the normal back EMF voltage level just isn't high enough to do
recharging .so they bifiler wind to up the voltage with out a lot of extra
solid state .the guys working on the three battery system use DC to DC
converters to get it up . and bedini showed on his scope the difference .my
work area just doesn't have the room. For one .that dual trace from China
that Rick showed everyone is cheap .
On Aug 27, 2018 9:42 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive being
> high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment had
> substantial B field component.  I have found without the high current low
> impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a current buffer
> experiments some times turn out with an improper assessment.
>
> How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?
>
> Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp in
> cross phase?
>
> I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono
> cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the channels
> 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono player.  The mono
> addition volume is low and the main component of the 400hz  gone so just a
> dull sounding almost off frequency playback.  Now if two tapes were used
> and two mono players at the same time the cancelled muffled sound went away
> and the original tone reappeared but interestingly enough the rebuilt tone
> was no longer localized but rather seemed to come from everywhere at once.
> 400hz is easy to localize so this was surprising and astonishing in some
> ways when one considers the math.
>
> On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, Let
> me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he
> published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long
> solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was
> careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual
> induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields
> and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance
> Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100
> watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz
> signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil)
> The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output
> Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8
> Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel
> into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor
> magnetic fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of
> energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power
> was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air
> core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the
> equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable
> fields???
>
> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Kone,
>
> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a
> coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how
> Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it
> drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has
> overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress
> is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and
> working.
>
> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of
> those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of
> energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many
> types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy
> to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted
> out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> <konehead@...> wrote :
>
> Hi James
> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar
> coil)
> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive
> kickback spikes produced.
> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating
> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but
> rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up
> separate caps for each bifilar half.
> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B
> Smith writings.
> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they
> discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to
> primary input.
> Kone
>
>
>
> 
>

Hi Norman,

My guess is that you wound a bifilar resistor but using copper instead of resistance wire and that it performed just like that kind of resistor if the canceling of the fields worked perfect. Thus all the power was converted into heat. A calorimeter test could confirm that. Resistance converts electric power into heat power. With minimal inductance as well as capacitance the 8 Ohm impedance is mainly resistive (Ohmic). It has no reactive part to store the energy.

W.B. Smith made his tensor coil aka Smith coil or Caduceus coil. This coil is wound by a caduceus winding on a big ferrite tube. Smith tells that it can easily take 1kW of power without converting it to heat and with no normal detectable electromagnetic field. A second tensor coil made as a copy of the first one could pick up a signal from the ends of the transmitting tensor coil. The tensor coil transmits a thin LASER like beam that can't be shielded. The odd thing was that they couldn't measure any delay of the signal like when using radio waves or when transmitting signals through wires.

Here is some of W.B. Smith's description of how the coil was made:
"One ferrite core, material with the highest permeability and dielectric constant, about 8 inches to a foot long, and about 1 inch in diameter. About 20 feet of plastic insulated #14 electric house wire. Starting at the center of the wire and at one end of the core wind on the wire as closely as possible, with the first turn under and then over, so that the winding will be exactly symmetrical. It will start at one end of the core and finish at the other end and will resemble a solenoid with a bifilar winding. It is important that the winding be exactly symmetrical."
Source: http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm

Smith further mentions that there has to be a hole through the ferrite core. I don't know if the core will work if constructing it from a stack of ferrite rings glued together. Else this would be a way to make such a core for experimenting.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???
 https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
 On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Kone,
 
 The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
 
 Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <konehead@...> mailto:konehead@... wrote :
 
 Hi James
 Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
 Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
 This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
 And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
 Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
 Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
 Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
 The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
 Kone

Norm, two bad you didn't have two of the same to see if the field
returned, very interesting you made such a perfect coil.  I wanted to
see if Bearden was full of it or it the cancelled waves came back from
two scalar fields which my sound experiment indicated.   If your coil
was not even moving a compass that's a phenomenal build!  Bearden
claimed to Jim Feuling that two scalar fields slightly FM  or Phase
modulated so the peaks and valleys saw back and forth at the nodes have
very high power amplification.


On 8/28/2018 7:11 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM    My meter was similar to
> the TriField meter used in video!  Also used small magnetic compasses
> to detect the presence of even small field lines of flux. The Stereo
> amp was set up to drive the two windings 180 degrees out of phase. The
> zip wire was poly coated 18 ga. speaker wire with conductors color
> coded . Red = channel A,  Green = Channel B. Scope showed the 180
> degree out of phase driving relationship!  Ole believes that my setup
> was turning the bifiliar coil into a rectifier so that only resistance
> was turning power into heat. (DC)?  Scope clearly shows 400 HZ sine
> wave driving coil.  Fields cancelled!!!!!!  If a DC current was
> flowing in coil, there would be a magnetic field produced!  Right?   
> No magnetic field.
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 9:41 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive
>> being high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment
>> had substantial B field component.  I have found without the high
>> current low impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a
>> current buffer experiments some times turn out with an improper
>> assessment. 
>>
>> How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?
>>
>> Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp
>> in cross phase?
>>
>> I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono
>> cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the
>> channels 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono
>> player.  The mono addition volume is low and the main component of
>> the 400hz  gone so just a dull sounding almost off frequency
>> playback.  Now if two tapes were used and two mono players at the
>> same time the cancelled muffled sound went away and the original tone
>> reappeared but interestingly enough the rebuilt tone was no longer
>> localized but rather seemed to come from everywhere at once.  400hz
>> is easy to localize so this was surprising and astonishing in some
>> ways when one considers the math.
>>
>>
>> On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced
>>> again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom
>>> Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of
>>> curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18
>>> ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat
>>> ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between turns
>>> phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic
>>> fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to
>>> get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel
>>> stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal. 
>>> (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil) The
>>> hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output
>>> Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air
>>> core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation
>>> / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields
>>> either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed
>>> a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your opinion
>>> as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was
>>> associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase
>>> cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy
>>> become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???
>>>
>>> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>>>
>>> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kone,
>>>>
>>>> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed
>>>> into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load.
>>>> Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require
>>>> resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to
>>>> readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try
>>>> something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far
>>>> two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
>>>>
>>>> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both
>>>> of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of
>>>> energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy.
>>>> Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has
>>>> to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free
>>>> energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic
>>>> background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Hi James
>>>> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a
>>>> bifilar coil)
>>>> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive
>>>> kickback spikes produced.
>>>> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or
>>>> alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>>>> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>>>> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power
>>>> feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>>>> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or
>>>> fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>>>> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from
>>>> W B Smith writings.
>>>> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil
>>>> whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no
>>>> reflection back to primary input.
>>>> Kone
>>>
>>
>
>

Ole,

Heat is a scalar field too.  I wonder what makes the distinction between
the two types of energy one heating and one not my guess is high enough
frequency.  My experiments with short solid ferrite and pairs of
opposite wound coils always present heat, the Smith experiment would be
fun to try.  Assuming he used a high frequency of RF rather than the low
sound ones perhaps he was making a magnetic node RF antenna similar to
Telas hairpin circuit or the small loop of metal that connects a ground
plane antenna to the dipole and looks like an open rather than a direct
short.


On 8/27/2018 3:29 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> My guess is that you wound a bifilar resistor but using copper instead
> of resistance wire and that it performed just like that kind of
> resistor if the canceling of the fields worked perfect. Thus all the
> power was converted into heat. A calorimeter test could confirm that.
> Resistance converts electric power into heat power. With minimal
> inductance as well as capacitance the 8 Ohm impedance is mainly
> resistive (Ohmic). It has no reactive part to store the energy.
>
> W.B. Smith made his tensor coil aka Smith coil or Caduceus coil. This
> coil is wound by a caduceus winding on a big ferrite tube. Smith tells
> that it can easily take 1kW of power without converting it to heat and
> with no normal detectable electromagnetic field. A second tensor coil
> made as a copy of the first one could pick up a signal from the ends
> of the transmitting tensor coil. The tensor coil transmits a thin
> LASER like beam that can't be shielded. The odd thing was that they
> couldn't measure any delay of the signal like when using radio waves
> or when transmitting signals through wires.
>
> Here is some of W.B. Smith's description of how the coil was made:
> "One ferrite core, material with the highest permeability and
> dielectric constant, about 8 inches to a foot long, and about 1 inch
> in diameter. About 20 feet of plastic insulated #14 electric house
> wire. Starting at the center of the wire and at one end of the core
> wind on the wire as closely as possible, with the first turn under and
> then over, so that the winding will be exactly symmetrical. It will
> start at one end of the core and finish at the other end and will
> resemble a solenoid with a bifilar winding. It is important that the
> winding be exactly symmetrical."
> Source: http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm
>
> Smith further mentions that there has to be a hole through the ferrite
> core. I don't know if the core will work if constructing it from a
> stack of ferrite rings glued together. Else this would be a way to
> make such a core for experimenting.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again,
> Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when
> he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a
> long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip
> wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly
> wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the
> vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar
> should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8
> Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed
> by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find
> a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch
> on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180
> degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought
> up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance
> there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields
> although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being
> consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was
> converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air
> core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the
> equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any
> detectable fields???
>
> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>
> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Kone,
>>
>>     The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed
>>     into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load.
>>     Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require
>>     resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to
>>     readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try
>>     something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This
>>     far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
>>
>>     Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as
>>     both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts
>>     of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up
>>     energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy
>>     that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to
>>     extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out
>>     of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <konehead@...> <mailto:konehead@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hi James
>>     Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a
>>     bifilar coil)
>>     Is of greater power when first you split then combine the
>>     inductive kickback spikes produced.
>>     This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or
>>     alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>>     And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>>     Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power
>>     feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>>     Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or
>>     fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>>     Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about,
>>     from W B Smith writings.
>>     The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil
>>     whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no
>>     reflection back to primary input.
>>     Kone
>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM    My meter was similar to 
the TriField meter used in video!  Also used small magnetic compasses to 
detect the presence of even small field lines of flux. The Stereo amp 
was set up to drive the two windings 180 degrees out of phase. The zip 
wire was poly coated 18 ga. speaker wire with conductors color coded . 
Red = channel A,  Green = Channel B. Scope showed the 180 degree out of 
phase driving relationship!  Ole believes that my setup was turning the 
bifiliar coil into a rectifier so that only resistance was turning power 
into heat. (DC)?  Scope clearly shows 400 HZ sine wave driving coil.  
Fields cancelled!!!!!!  If a DC current was flowing in coil, there would 
be a magnetic field produced!  Right?    No magnetic field.


On 8/27/2018 9:41 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive 
> being high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment 
> had substantial B field component.  I have found without the high 
> current low impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a 
> current buffer experiments some times turn out with an improper 
> assessment.
>
> How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?
>
> Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp 
> in cross phase?
>
> I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono 
> cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the 
> channels 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono 
> player.  The mono addition volume is low and the main component of the 
> 400hz  gone so just a dull sounding almost off frequency playback.  
> Now if two tapes were used and two mono players at the same time the 
> cancelled muffled sound went away and the original tone reappeared but 
> interestingly enough the rebuilt tone was no longer localized but 
> rather seemed to come from everywhere at once.  400hz is easy to 
> localize so this was surprising and astonishing in some ways when one 
> considers the math.
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, 
>> Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when 
>> he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound 
>> a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip 
>> wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly 
>> wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the 
>> vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar 
>> should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 
>> 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when 
>> fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to 
>> find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can 
>> watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 
>> 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When 
>> brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm 
>> impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic 
>> fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of 
>> energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the 
>> power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in 
>> the air core windings. When phase cancellation removes the vectors 
>> from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without 
>> any detectable fields???
>>
>> https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>>
>> On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kone,
>>>
>>> The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into 
>>> a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at 
>>> how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which 
>>> makes it drive different loads without having to readjust 
>>> everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something 
>>> like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET 
>>> hex bridges are completed and working.
>>>
>>> Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both 
>>> of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of 
>>> energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. 
>>> Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to 
>>> be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. 
>>> The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic 
>>> background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Hi James
>>> Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a 
>>> bifilar coil)
>>> Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive 
>>> kickback spikes produced.
>>> This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating 
>>> polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>>> And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>>> Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power 
>>> feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>>> Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill 
>>> up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>>> Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from 
>>> W B Smith writings.
>>> The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever 
>>> they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection 
>>> back to primary input.
>>> Kone
>>
>
>

Ole,

Does Smith give any clues as to what frequency he used the 25 feet would
be about 40mhz fullwave?


On 8/28/2018 5:06 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> The energy known as heat is actually electromagnetic power. Friction
> of electric current passing resistance is one way of making heat. If
> there is no resistance heat isn't generated. An exception is if
> hitting the frequency of heat which is the infra-red (IR) range of
> frequencies. This can be done by using light emitting diodes (LEDs).
> Smith mentioned that his coil showed no specific point of resonance
> and it only worked above some unknown power level. At 100W it worked
> OK but it didn't at 30W. My guess is that the working point had to
> reach the non-linear region of the ferrite. This is where it starts
> saturating the ferrite.
>
> Tesla's hairpin circuit is a loop antenna or a transmission line with
> reflections (standing waves). The tensor coil according to Smith
> changes or folds into itself the three vectors of electromagnetism.
> The field should be like stacking doughnuts or smoke rings on top of
> each other. The tempic field (field of change) thus is carried in the
> center of the doughnuts which make the beam carry 'time' with it and
> giving the property of being instant from one end to the other. I.e.
> there is no time of propagation like with transverse electromagnetic
> (TEM) waves as time is carried along with the beam.
>
> Perhaps the tensor beam is just shifting to what the ET people call a
> less dense reality with a greater speed of light.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Heat is a scalar field too.  I wonder what makes the distinction
> between the two types of energy one heating and one not my guess is
> high enough frequency.  My experiments with short solid ferrite and
> pairs of opposite wound coils always present heat, the Smith
> experiment would be fun to try.  Assuming he used a high frequency of
> RF rather than the low sound ones perhaps he was making a magnetic
> node RF antenna similar to Telas hairpin circuit or the small loop of
> metal that connects a ground plane antenna to the dipole and looks
> like an open rather than a direct short.
>
>
> On 8/27/2018 3:29 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Norman,
>>
>>     My guess is that you wound a bifilar resistor but using copper
>>     instead of resistance wire and that it performed just like that
>>     kind of resistor if the canceling of the fields worked perfect.
>>     Thus all the power was converted into heat. A calorimeter test
>>     could confirm that. Resistance converts electric power into heat
>>     power. With minimal inductance as well as capacitance the 8 Ohm
>>     impedance is mainly resistive (Ohmic). It has no reactive part to
>>     store the energy.
>>
>>     W.B. Smith made his tensor coil aka Smith coil or Caduceus coil.
>>     This coil is wound by a caduceus winding on a big ferrite tube.
>>     Smith tells that it can easily take 1kW of power without
>>     converting it to heat and with no normal detectable
>>     electromagnetic field. A second tensor coil made as a copy of the
>>     first one could pick up a signal from the ends of the
>>     transmitting tensor coil. The tensor coil transmits a thin LASER
>>     like beam that can't be shielded. The odd thing was that they
>>     couldn't measure any delay of the signal like when using radio
>>     waves or when transmitting signals through wires.
>>
>>     Here is some of W.B. Smith's description of how the coil was made:
>>     "One ferrite core, material with the highest permeability and
>>     dielectric constant, about 8 inches to a foot long, and about 1
>>     inch in diameter. About 20 feet of plastic insulated #14 electric
>>     house wire. Starting at the center of the wire and at one end of
>>     the core wind on the wire as closely as possible, with the first
>>     turn under and then over, so that the winding will be exactly
>>     symmetrical. It will start at one end of the core and finish at
>>     the other end and will resemble a solenoid with a bifilar
>>     winding. It is important that the winding be exactly symmetrical."
>>     Source: http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm
>>
>>     Smith further mentions that there has to be a hole through the
>>     ferrite core. I don't know if the core will work if constructing
>>     it from a stack of ferrite rings glued together. Else this would
>>     be a way to make such a core for experimenting.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced
>>     again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom
>>     Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of
>>     curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand
>>     18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat
>>     ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between
>>     turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the
>>     magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer
>>     Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed
>>     for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine
>>     wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a
>>     resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can
>>     watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being
>>     exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm /
>>     winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel
>>     into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either
>>     electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed a
>>     total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your
>>     opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes
>>     there was associated heat generated in the air core windings. 
>>     When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the equation,
>>     does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable
>>     fields???
>>
>>     https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
>>
>>     On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>>     wrote:
>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi Kone,
>>>
>>>         The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then
>>>         mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for
>>>         driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His
>>>         device didn't require resonance which makes it drive
>>>         different loads without having to readjust everything. He
>>>         has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that.
>>>         But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex
>>>         bridges are completed and working.
>>>
>>>         Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current
>>>         as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are
>>>         parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts
>>>         making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the
>>>         output energy that has to be greater than the input energy
>>>         to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is
>>>         then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of
>>>         electrons (or positrons).
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>         Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <konehead@...>
>>>         <mailto:konehead@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>         Hi James
>>>         Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes
>>>         from a bifilar coil)
>>>         Is of greater power when first you split then combine the
>>>         inductive kickback spikes produced.
>>>         This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or
>>>         alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
>>>         And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
>>>         Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct
>>>         power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
>>>         Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap
>>>         or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
>>>         Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks
>>>         about, from W B Smith writings.
>>>         The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil
>>>         whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen
>>>         with no reflection back to primary input.
>>>         Kone
>>
>
>

Hi Mick,

Smith mentions using frequencies around 20MHz. The coil had no specific resonant frequency or it resonated at all frequencies. The wire was 20 feet long the ferrite tube was 8 inch to a foot long according to the description given in this letter: http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm#middleton http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm#middleton

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Does Smith give any clues as to what frequency he used the 25 feet would be about 40mhz fullwave?

 
...

Hi Norman,

I don't know why you think that I believe the signals are being rectified by passing the coils. If you read AC theory or do the experiment AC power will perfectly dissipate power 100% efficient as heat in non-inductive resistors. All pure resistance will convert all electric power from DC to any frequency into heat. This knowledge is actually used for measuring current by a hot-wire ammeter as it is independent of the frequency which a moving coil meter isn't because of its inductance (https://wiki2.org/en/Ammeter#Hot-wire https://wiki2.org/en/Ammeter#Hot-wire). If using a moving coil meter the current has to be both rectified and filtered and the meter has to be calibrated for the shape of the wave. Thus if the wire has 8 Ohm of resistance this part will dissipate power as heat.

Non inductive resistors: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-non-inductive-and-inductive-resistor https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-non-inductive-and-inductive-resistor

The following resistors will all dissipate the power as heat (i^2 x R) where i is the current and R is the real part (resistance) of the impedance:
 
Source of image: http://theaudiocrafts.com/x-over-parts/wirewound-resistors/htr-audiograde-andquot-non-inductiveandquot-wirewound-resistors http://theaudiocrafts.com/x-over-parts/wirewound-resistors/htr-audiograde-andquot-non-inductiveandquot-wirewound-resistors



Source of image: http://www.resistorguide.com/wirewound-resistor/ http://www.resistorguide.com/wirewound-resistor/

Any reactive part (inductance and capacitance) will temporary store the power as magnetic or electric field energy.

Don't believe all of Tom Bearden. He mentions scalar waves which must have vector properties as being waves. This is quite contradicting to being a scalar! I'll suggest reading William J. Hooper's experiments on canceling out fields (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm). The motional electric field isn't canceled in an induction free coil. Also Ivor Catt's proposed experiment that Tony Wakefield did is worth studying or actually doing.

Even though established scientists don't like that kind of experiments they never the less tells something about nature that the scientists don't want to rewrite their books for. They think Newton and some of the other old scientists are gods and their work isn't to be questioned. They should learn the scientific method and be open minded for new research that can enlighten us.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM    My meter was similar to the TriField meter used in video!  Also used small magnetic compasses to detect the presence of even small field lines of flux. The Stereo amp was set up to drive the two windings 180 degrees out of phase. The zip wire was poly coated 18 ga. speaker wire with conductors color coded . Red = channel A,  Green = Channel B. Scope showed the 180 degree out of phase driving relationship!  Ole believes that my setup was turning the bifiliar coil into a rectifier so that only resistance was turning power into heat. (DC)?  Scope clearly shows 400 HZ sine wave driving coil.  Fields cancelled!!!!!!  If a DC current was flowing in coil, there would be a magnetic field produced!  Right?    No magnetic field.

 
 On 8/27/2018 9:41 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive being high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment had substantial B field component.  I have found without the high current low impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a current buffer experiments some times turn out with an improper assessment.  

 How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?
 Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp in cross phase?
 I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the channels 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono player.  The mono addition volume is low and the main component of the 400hz  gone so just a dull sounding almost off frequency playback.  Now if two tapes were used and two mono players at the same time the cancelled muffled sound went away and the original tone reappeared but interestingly enough the rebuilt tone was no longer localized but rather seemed to come from everywhere at once.  400hz is easy to localize so this was surprising and astonishing in some ways when one considers the math.

 
 On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???
 https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
 On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Kone,
 
 The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
 
 Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <konehead@...> mailto:konehead@... wrote :
 
 Hi James
 Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
 Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
 This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
 And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
 Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
 Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
 Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
 The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
 Kone

Hi Mick,

The energy known as heat is actually electromagnetic power. Friction of electric current passing resistance is one way of making heat. If there is no resistance heat isn't generated. An exception is if hitting the frequency of heat which is the infra-red (IR) range of frequencies. This can be done by using light emitting diodes (LEDs). Smith mentioned that his coil showed no specific point of resonance and it only worked above some unknown power level. At 100W it worked OK but it didn't at 30W. My guess is that the working point had to reach the non-linear region of the ferrite. This is where it starts saturating the ferrite.

Tesla's hairpin circuit is a loop antenna or a transmission line with reflections (standing waves). The tensor coil according to Smith changes or folds into itself the three vectors of electromagnetism. The field should be like stacking doughnuts or smoke rings on top of each other. The tempic field (field of change) thus is carried in the center of the doughnuts which make the beam carry 'time' with it and giving the property of being instant from one end to the other. I.e. there is no time of propagation like with transverse electromagnetic (TEM) waves as time is carried along with the beam.

Perhaps the tensor beam is just shifting to what the ET people call a less dense reality with a greater speed of light.

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Heat is a scalar field too.  I wonder what makes the distinction between the two types of energy one heating and one not my guess is high enough frequency.  My experiments with short solid ferrite and pairs of opposite wound coils always present heat, the Smith experiment would be fun to try.  Assuming he used a high frequency of RF rather than the low sound ones perhaps he was making a magnetic node RF antenna similar to Telas hairpin circuit or the small loop of metal that connects a ground plane antenna to the dipole and looks like an open rather than a direct short.

 
 On 8/27/2018 3:29 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Norman,
 
 My guess is that you wound a bifilar resistor but using copper instead of resistance wire and that it performed just like that kind of resistor if the canceling of the fields worked perfect. Thus all the power was converted into heat. A calorimeter test could confirm that. Resistance converts electric power into heat power. With minimal inductance as well as capacitance the 8 Ohm impedance is mainly resistive (Ohmic). It has no reactive part to store the energy.
 
 W.B. Smith made his tensor coil aka Smith coil or Caduceus coil. This coil is wound by a caduceus winding on a big ferrite tube. Smith tells that it can easily take 1kW of power without converting it to heat and with no normal detectable electromagnetic field. A second tensor coil made as a copy of the first one could pick up a signal from the ends of the transmitting tensor coil. The tensor coil transmits a thin LASER like beam that can't be shielded. The odd thing was that they couldn't measure any delay of the signal like when using radio waves or when transmitting signals through wires.
 
 Here is some of W.B. Smith's description of how the coil was made:
 "One ferrite core, material with the highest permeability and dielectric constant, about 8 inches to a foot long, and about 1 inch in diameter. About 20 feet of plastic insulated #14 electric house wire. Starting at the center of the wire and at one end of the core wind on the wire as closely as possible, with the first turn under and then over, so that the winding will be exactly symmetrical. It will start at one end of the core and finish at the other end and will resemble a solenoid with a bifilar winding. It is important that the winding be exactly symmetrical."
 Source: http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/smith2.htm
 
 Smith further mentions that there has to be a hole through the ferrite core. I don't know if the core will work if constructing it from a stack of ferrite rings glued together. Else this would be a way to make such a core for experimenting.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???
 https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
 On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Kone,
 
 The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
 
 Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <konehead@...> mailto:konehead@... wrote :
 
 Hi James
 Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
 Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
 This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
 And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
 Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
 Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
 Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
 The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
 Kone