Re: [EVGRAY] Bifilar Coil for Electromagnets

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Hi Norman,

I don't know why you think that I believe the signals are being rectified by passing the coils. If you read AC theory or do the experiment AC power will perfectly dissipate power 100% efficient as heat in non-inductive resistors. All pure resistance will convert all electric power from DC to any frequency into heat. This knowledge is actually used for measuring current by a hot-wire ammeter as it is independent of the frequency which a moving coil meter isn't because of its inductance (https://wiki2.org/en/Ammeter#Hot-wire https://wiki2.org/en/Ammeter#Hot-wire). If using a moving coil meter the current has to be both rectified and filtered and the meter has to be calibrated for the shape of the wave. Thus if the wire has 8 Ohm of resistance this part will dissipate power as heat.

Non inductive resistors: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-non-inductive-and-inductive-resistor https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-non-inductive-and-inductive-resistor

The following resistors will all dissipate the power as heat (i^2 x R) where i is the current and R is the real part (resistance) of the impedance:
 
Source of image: http://theaudiocrafts.com/x-over-parts/wirewound-resistors/htr-audiograde-andquot-non-inductiveandquot-wirewound-resistors http://theaudiocrafts.com/x-over-parts/wirewound-resistors/htr-audiograde-andquot-non-inductiveandquot-wirewound-resistors



Source of image: http://www.resistorguide.com/wirewound-resistor/ http://www.resistorguide.com/wirewound-resistor/

Any reactive part (inductance and capacitance) will temporary store the power as magnetic or electric field energy.

Don't believe all of Tom Bearden. He mentions scalar waves which must have vector properties as being waves. This is quite contradicting to being a scalar! I'll suggest reading William J. Hooper's experiments on canceling out fields (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/hooper1.htm). The motional electric field isn't canceled in an induction free coil. Also Ivor Catt's proposed experiment that Tony Wakefield did is worth studying or actually doing.

Even though established scientists don't like that kind of experiments they never the less tells something about nature that the scientists don't want to rewrite their books for. They think Newton and some of the other old scientists are gods and their work isn't to be questioned. They should learn the scientific method and be open minded for new research that can enlighten us.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXKJjNAZDEM    My meter was similar to the TriField meter used in video!  Also used small magnetic compasses to detect the presence of even small field lines of flux. The Stereo amp was set up to drive the two windings 180 degrees out of phase. The zip wire was poly coated 18 ga. speaker wire with conductors color coded . Red = channel A,  Green = Channel B. Scope showed the 180 degree out of phase driving relationship!  Ole believes that my setup was turning the bifiliar coil into a rectifier so that only resistance was turning power into heat. (DC)?  Scope clearly shows 400 HZ sine wave driving coil.  Fields cancelled!!!!!!  If a DC current was flowing in coil, there would be a magnetic field produced!  Right?    No magnetic field.

 
 On 8/27/2018 9:41 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 The difference between your experiment and tinsel koala is the drive being high impedance with his and low with yours so your experiment had substantial B field component.  I have found without the high current low impedance drive such as only using a sig gen without a current buffer experiments some times turn out with an improper assessment.  

 How did you measure the magnetic and electric field of the coil?
 Were you feeding the bifilar from channel A and channel B of the amp in cross phase?
 I performed a similar experiment in the 80's two battery powered mono cassette players.  Recording a tape in stereo at 400 Hz with the channels 180 degrees out of phase then put the tape in the mono player.  The mono addition volume is low and the main component of the 400hz  gone so just a dull sounding almost off frequency playback.  Now if two tapes were used and two mono players at the same time the cancelled muffled sound went away and the original tone reappeared but interestingly enough the rebuilt tone was no longer localized but rather seemed to come from everywhere at once.  400hz is easy to localize so this was surprising and astonishing in some ways when one considers the math.

 
 On 8/27/2018 7:06 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Hello all!    Since the subject of bifillar coils has surfaced again, Let me share a little experiment that was spurred by Tom Bearden when he published his Phase Conjugation ideas!  Out of curiosity, I wound a long solenoid air core coil with two strand 18 ga. stranded zip wire.   I was careful to wind the turns flat ,single layer tightly wound so that mutual induction between turns phase cancelled the vectors of the electric fields and the magnetic fields. what bifiliar should do.  I used a Ramer Impedance Bridge to get my winding to the 8 Ohm impedance needed for my 100 watt/channel stereo amplifier when fed by a pure sine wave of 400Hz signal.  (Note: I did not attempt to find a resonant point for the coil) The hook up is simple and You can watch on a scope the stereo amp output Channel A & B being exactly 180 degrees out of phase into the air core 8 Ohm / winding.  When brought up to 100 watt power dissipation / channel into the 8 Ohm impedance there was no detectable fields either electric nor magnetic fields although the power meters showed a total of 200 watts of energy being consumed.  What is your opinion as to the form that the power was converted into?? Yes there was associated heat generated in the air core windings.  When phase cancellation removes the vectors from the equation, does the energy become Longitudinal wave without any detectable fields???
 https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field https://www.diffen.com/difference/Electric_Field_vs_Magnetic_Field
 On 8/27/2018 6:17 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Kone,
 
 The energy has to be input as two separate parts and then mixed into a coherent single part to be extracted for driving the load. Look at how Pierre Cotnoir did it. His device didn't require resonance which makes it drive different loads without having to readjust everything. He has overcome the tuning bitch. I'll try something like that. But the progress is going very slow. This far two MOSFET hex bridges are completed and working.
 
 Mixing energy is not just mixing voltage or mixing current as both of those parts as well as time (actually change) are parts of energy. Think of energy and not just the parts making up energy. Energy comes in quite many types. It's the output energy that has to be greater than the input energy to be able to extract free energy. The excess free energy is then extracted out of the cosmic background or aether of electrons (or positrons).
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <konehead@...> mailto:konehead@... wrote :
 
 Hi James
 Perhaps "bifilar backemf" (the inductive kickback spikes from a bifilar coil)
 Is of greater power when first you split then combine the inductive kickback spikes produced.
 This means bifilar half A is fed the.pulsed DC power (or alternating polarity pulsed DC for AC)
 And steering diodes capture the kickback spike into cap (s).
 Then the other half (B) of bifilar is not driven by direct power feed but rather is only induced by bifilar half A.
 Now either combine kickback spikes from each into common cap or fill up separate caps for each bifilar half.
 Could be creating a "coherence" condition as Ole speaks about, from W B Smith writings.
 The capacitors filled need to be disconnected from the coil whenever they discharge to load for real power to be seen with no reflection back to primary input.
 Kone

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