AW: Re: [EVGRAY] Low Lenz in plain sight

Norm,

Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?


On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit
> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero
> in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid
> state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to
> control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto
> tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance
> phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values
> needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents
> thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like
> the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor
> experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out
> at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of
> the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened
> thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground
> reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and
> 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral
> Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
>
>
> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>>
>> Doug 
>>
>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be
>> able to harvest the maximum energy.
>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave
>> detector, for consideration.
>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the
>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and
>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another
>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to
>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there
>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder
>> as it runs.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Warren
>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and
>>     also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency,
>>     capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth
>>     dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just
>>     the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or
>>     avoidance of it which usually seems to be the "scientific
>>     purpose".....
>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>     caps, .
>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load
>>     (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters" of
>>     primary system that fills caps.
>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and
>>     that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>     Kone
>>
>
>

Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top 
simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that 
uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back 
and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several 
times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH 
BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& 
L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked 
rotor current detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 
supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no 
neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically saturated motor and 
charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame 
via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found 
that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via 
capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy 
was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan 
motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case 
there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an 
earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring 
a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run 
capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, 
the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation 
of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!


On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
> involved?
>
>
> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero 
>> in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid 
>> state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to 
>> control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto 
>> tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance 
>> phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values 
>> needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents 
>> thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like 
>> the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor 
>> experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out 
>> at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of 
>> the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) 
>> opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no 
>> ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron 
>> and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, 
>> Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>> detector, for consideration.
>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the 
>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another 
>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to 
>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there 
>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder 
>>> as it runs.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Warren
>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>     caps, .
>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and
>>>     that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>     Kone
>>>
>>
>
>

Norm,
Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this gives us 240 volts.

How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there?
George



    On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic  flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
 
 
 On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm,
 
Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?
 
 On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target  the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps)  which gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
 
 
 On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Doug 
 What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage? With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch. If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be able to harvest the maximum energy. Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave detector, for consideration. Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed. This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and commutators, and heats up power tools. We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors. The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder as it runs. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Hi Warren
 Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or avoidance of it  which usually seems to be the "scientific purpose".....
 As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
 And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector caps, .
 and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and independent and disconnected more or less from  the system or circuit that filled these caps)
 now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there becomes the fifth dimension of  time and timing of how long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
 Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
 My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause hypernringing within coil and gives you  simulation of resonant condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
 Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC, at.voltage peak periods.
 Kone

The problem that I see is what happens to a saturation magnetic flux at 
the point of removing the current and having the charged energy in an 
isolated situation??? Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms 
into a radiant energy state!  Just a thought!

http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/hfield.php

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfield.html


On 8/3/2018 5:22 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench 
> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that 
> uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go 
> back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group 
> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground 
> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. 
> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an 
> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would 
> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition 
> since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically 
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the 
> earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation 
> involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both 
> magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP 
> (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first 
> encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same 
> effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 
> ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire 
> involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing 
> switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch 
> was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was 
> created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both 
> magnetic and electric charge!
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
>> involved?
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to 
>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since 
>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits 
>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  
>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the 
>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto 
>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  
>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol 
>>> PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit! On my 5 HP 
>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay 
>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave 
>>> me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single 
>>> phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in 
>>> an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated 
>>> energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the 
>>> EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is 
>>> right on!   Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the 
>>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another 
>>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to 
>>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there 
>>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder 
>>>> as it runs.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>>     caps, .
>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>

George! I lived in Europe for 4 years and we had single phase 220VAC.  
Here in the US, in domestic applications. Delta-Y stepdown transformers 
(domestic consumption) we have 120VAC single phase (one leg and a 
neutral. Also single phase is two legs L-1 & L-2 = 220VAC (single phase) 
no neutral!   Although you are measuring between two of the 3 legs, it 
is still considered single phase power.  That is for a Y transformer for 
it has a common neutral point to all three legs.


On 8/3/2018 10:27 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm,
>
> Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one 
> phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this 
> gives us 240 volts.
>
> How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there?
>
> George
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan 
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
> understand! There have been two different scenarios with my bench top 
> simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that 
> uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go 
> back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group 
> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground 
> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. 
> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an 
> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would 
> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition 
> since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically 
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the 
> earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation 
> involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both 
> magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP 
> (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first 
> encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same 
> effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 
> ga. conductors) L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire 
> involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing 
> switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch 
> was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was 
> created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both 
> magnetic and electric charge!
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
>> involved?
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to 
>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since 
>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits 
>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  
>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the 
>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto 
>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  
>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar! 
>>> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit! On my 5 HP 
>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay 
>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave 
>>> me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single 
>>> phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in 
>>> an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated 
>>> energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the 
>>> EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is 
>>> right on!   Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the 
>>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another 
>>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to 
>>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there 
>>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder 
>>>> as it runs.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>>     caps, .
>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

"Yes"!   Ole thanks for the schematic to explain the Y transformer 
common neutral!


On 8/4/2018 4:20 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> In the US the phases are split in two halves with a neutral in the 
> center instead of using three phases.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
>> Split-phase electric power 
>> <https://wiki2.org/en/Split-phase_electric_power>
>>
>> A *split-phase* or *single-phase three-wire* system is a type of 
>> single-phase <https://wiki2.org/en/Single-phase_electric_power> 
>> electric power distribution. It is the AC 
>> <https://wiki2.org/en/Alternating_current> equivalent of the original 
>> Edison three-wire direct-current system.
>> Fig. 1
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one 
> phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this 
> gives us 240 volts.
>
> How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there?
>
> George
>
>
>
>     On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan
>     nwootan@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
>
>
>
> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench 
> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
> successfully created. The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that 
> uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go 
> back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group 
> several times. The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground 
> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. 
> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an 
> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would 
> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition 
> since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically 
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the 
> earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation 
> involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both 
> magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP 
> (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first 
> encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same 
> effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 
> ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire 
> involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing 
> switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch 
> was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was 
> created. The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both 
> magnetic and electric charge!
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] 
> wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
>> involved?
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...> 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to 
>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance. Since 
>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits 
>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting. 
>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the 
>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto 
>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  
>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar! 
>>> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit! On my 5 HP 
>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay 
>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave 
>>> me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single 
>>> phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in 
>>> an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated 
>>> energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the 
>>> EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is 
>>> right on! Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... 
>>> <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the 
>>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another 
>>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to 
>>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there 
>>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder 
>>>> as it runs.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, konehead@...
>>>>     <mailto:konehead@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>>     caps, .
>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

In addition to this is the Delta -Delta step down transformer that gives 
230VAC between legs for there is no common neutral from which to derive 
the 120VAC.    Industrial applications sometimes ground one of the Delta 
legs (secondary) to create a common from which to get 125VAC.  Very 
dangerous and is never used in domestic applications.


On 8/4/2018 6:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> "Yes"!   Ole thanks for the schematic to explain the Y transformer 
> common neutral!
>
>
> On 8/4/2018 4:20 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> In the US the phases are split in two halves with a neutral in the 
>> center instead of using three phases.
>>
>> From Wikipedia:
>>
>>> Split-phase electric power 
>>> <https://wiki2.org/en/Split-phase_electric_power>
>>>
>>> A *split-phase* or *single-phase three-wire* system is a type of 
>>> single-phase <https://wiki2.org/en/Single-phase_electric_power> 
>>> electric power distribution. It is the AC 
>>> <https://wiki2.org/en/Alternating_current> equivalent of the 
>>> original Edison three-wire direct-current system.
>>> Fig. 1
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one 
>> phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this 
>> gives us 240 volts.
>>
>> How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan
>>     nwootan@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
>> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench 
>> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
>> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor 
>> that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. 
>> Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group 
>> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground 
>> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. 
>> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an 
>> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would 
>> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated 
>> condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a 
>> magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are 
>> separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the 
>> insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of 
>> charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) 
>> created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was 
>> cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan 
>> motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case 
>> there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an 
>> earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss 
>> wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of 
>> the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run 
>> to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up 
>> with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
>>> involved?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...> 
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to 
>>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance. Since 
>>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits 
>>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  
>>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the 
>>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto 
>>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  
>>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  
>>>> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 
>>>> HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload 
>>>> relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) 
>>>> which gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 
>>>> pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole 
>>>> shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the 
>>>> isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, 
>>>> I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike. Your 
>>>> thinking is right on!   Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... 
>>>> <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing 
>>>>> the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet 
>>>>> another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one 
>>>>> motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that 
>>>>> there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to 
>>>>> powder as it runs.
>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, konehead@...
>>>>>     <mailto:konehead@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump
>>>>>     resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies
>>>>>     in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call
>>>>>     collector caps, .
>>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means
>>>>>     of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also
>>>>>     there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how
>>>>>     long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and
>>>>>     refill they again change the ferroresonance or resonance
>>>>>     "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>>     Kone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>

Norm,

I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to the
neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed however
you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and Hector
mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp neutral spike
event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the rotoverter require
the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a buzzer when I was a
kid that would do something similar if one touched the switching relay
but found one a few months back looked the same but does nothing.  I
remember that buzzer being fearsome with only a little battery as it
felt like a 220 shock with current.

SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike
would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to
have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.



On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not
> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench
> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was
> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that
> uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go
> back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group
> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground
> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga.
> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an
> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would
> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition
> since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the
> earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation
> involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both
> magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP
> (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first
> encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same
> effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18
> ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire
> involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing
> switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch
> was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was
> created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both
> magnetic and electric charge!
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground
>> involved?
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit
>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to
>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since
>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits
>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting. 
>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the
>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto
>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed. 
>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar! 
>>> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP
>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay
>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave
>>> me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single
>>> phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in
>>> an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated
>>> energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the
>>> EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is
>>> right on!   Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug 
>>>>
>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should
>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave
>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the
>>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and
>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another
>>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to
>>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there
>>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder
>>>> as it runs.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>>     caps, .
>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi George,

In the US the phases are split in two halves with a neutral in the center instead of using three phases.

From Wikipedia:
 Split-phase electric power https://wiki2.org/en/Split-phase_electric_power
 
 A split-phase or single-phase three-wire system is a type of single-phase https://wiki2.org/en/Single-phase_electric_power electric power distribution. It is the AC https://wiki2.org/en/Alternating_current equivalent of the original Edison three-wire direct-current system.
 Regards
Ole
 

 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 
 Norm,
 

 Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this gives us 240 volts.

 

 How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there?
 

 George

 

 

 


 On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
 

 

   
 Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!

 
 On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Norm,
 Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?
 
 On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm

 
 On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Doug 
 What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
 With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
 If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be able to harvest the maximum energy.
 Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave detector, for consideration.
 Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
 This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and commutators, and heats up power tools.
 We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
 The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder as it runs.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:

   Hi Warren
 Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the "scientific purpose".....
 As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
 And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector caps, .
 and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and independent and disconnected more or less from the system or circuit that filled these caps)
 now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
 Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
 My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
 Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC, at.voltage peak periods.
 Kone

A biblical saying, Genesis One, Let there be light and the light shown 
brightly in the firmament!  Ok!  Lets go back to the very beginning with 
the my buzzer and Hectors Coil Banger and Joel's COILBACK experiments.   
See: Neutral Spike doc.

This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,calleda LUNGEN

BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.


Schematic:


Oh!  BTW, If you are well insulated from a ground source, you can hold 
the  metal frame of the buzzer and not get a shock. If you are earth 
grounded and touch the metal frame while buzzing you will get the 
approximately 2000VAC.  The relationship is between the iron and the 
earth ground.  Remember that a 120VAC to 24 VAC step down transformer 
secondary winding is isolated from earth ground (That is how isolation 
transformers work).

=================

Message 4577DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44

From: NORMAN WOOTAN

To: ALL

Subject: Neutral Spike

Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the source of

the NEUTRAL SPIKE.I was working in anursing home installing some simple

buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the sound level

of the audiooutput (the loudness of the buzz) when Igotashockthat

nearly took meright off the ladder.Now this buzzer is powered by 24V AC

and you can't get a shock out of 24VACbutwhenyouconsiderthe SPIKE

PHENOMENON it is awesome.This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,calleda LUNGEN

BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.I suggest all that are interested in

duplicating the followingexperiment,goto your local electrical supply

house and get this particular model forit has features that are ideal for

the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES.This buzzer isconstructed so as

both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid steel (not

laminated) core isgroundedtothe frame or metal case.The solid steel

core is ofverymildsteelwhichaggravatestheproductionofspike

potential.Remember Isaid you need to think backwards?Yeswewanta

magnetic core whichhasthe most horrible spike producing characteristics.

If there is an engineer out there whocouldsuggest an ideal material for

this application, byallmeansspeakupforI wouldloveinputand

participation in thisproject.I brought home a new buzzer and hooked it

up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformerandattachedmy multi-meter

(Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the caseof the buzzer and

used the redlead to test the potential on the two buzzer terminals.With

24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the iron core

of the buzzer.What is interestingisthefactthat with the adjusting

screw I couldvarythe voltage output by changing thefrequencyofthe

buzzer contacts. Nowtobuildasimilardevicethat will enable me to

explore a possibleresonantregionthatmayexistrelatedtothis

phenomenon.I am willing to bet that there will provetobeadefinite

relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray capacitance that

may be involved in the simple circuit.Therefore I will be looking for a

point of resonancethatwill maximize the spike output.Before the TESLA

COIL builders out there jump in and sayit is a simple voltage multiplying

based on impedance ratio,well I only have one coil (no secondary).Joel,

put that inyourpipeand smoke it a while and seeifyoucanseea

solution other than magnetic constricting as you described earlier in one

of you messages.Ifasaturatingmagneticfluxisdriving electrons

directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here since this

whole planet ispracticallyiron.NORM

===========================================================================

Message 4583DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07

From: JOEL MCCLAIN-- RECEIVED --

To: NORMAN WOOTAN

Subject: Negative Spike

Page 1

Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Norm,

Count on mefor confirmation of this.About the same time that I uploaded

COILBAK, I alsouploaded COILUNIT,whichisa12VDCrelay,energized

through its normallyclosedcontacts,sothatitwouldopen/close

continuously at veryclosetoits aggregate resonance, just like the old

vibrators that they used in car radiostoproduceAC for the vacuum tube

radios.They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to death,

but they usually outlasted the warranty.Anyway, COILUNITproducesthose

same high negativespikes,andwhenconnected to a rechargeable battery,

once the battery accepts the spikes,theterminalvoltage stops falling,

and the voltagestabilizes.This is how the Dutch inventorgotsomany

miles on his electric motorcycle.Anyway, it is subject to mechanical time

delays, so itisnotanabove-unity device, which leads to the "cranky"

semiconductors that Woody spoke of, andwhichCOILBAKdepends upon.The

spikes are exactly as you describe.Thanks again, my friend.

Joel

===========================================================================

Message 4585DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55

From: NORMAN WOOTAN

To: ALL

Subject: Negative Spike

Folder : A, "Public Mail"

To all out there who may want to experiment with the generationof neutral

spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the ground" or

neutral to getahandleonthespikescomingoutoftheiron.In

electrical circles this is a "NO NO" becauseelectrical engineers consider

spikes as anuisanceandbothersomeoutput that theytrytototally

suppress because of it'sdestructiveproperties.Since the voltages go off

the scale and sometimes have current magnitudesthat they elect not to deal

with they simplyinstallvaristors and such devices toeffectivelytake

this unwanted energytoearthground.Our objective is to conserve all

this energy and put it to some use.Myadviceisjustbe careful when

dealing with anyelectrical deviceonwhich you are workingthathasa

floating neutral or earth ground. Norm

On 8/4/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to 
> the neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed 
> however you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and 
> Hector mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp 
> neutral spike event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the 
> rotoverter require the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a 
> buzzer when I was a kid that would do something similar if one touched 
> the switching relay but found one a few months back looked the same 
> but does nothing.  I remember that buzzer being fearsome with only a 
> little battery as it felt like a 220 shock with current.
>
> SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike 
> would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to 
> have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.
>
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not 
>> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench 
>> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was 
>> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor 
>> that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. 
>> Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group 
>> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground 
>> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. 
>> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an 
>> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would 
>> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated 
>> condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a 
>> magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are 
>> separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the 
>> insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of 
>> charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) 
>> created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was 
>> cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan 
>> motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case 
>> there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors) L-1 ,a neutral and an 
>> earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss 
>> wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of 
>> the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run 
>> to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up 
>> with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground 
>>> involved?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit 
>>>> (Ardino ?) that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to 
>>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since 
>>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits 
>>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  
>>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the 
>>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto 
>>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  
>>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  
>>>> Lol PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP 
>>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay 
>>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which 
>>>> gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole 
>>>> single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole 
>>>> shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the 
>>>> isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, 
>>>> I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your 
>>>> thinking is right on!   Norm
>>>>
>>>> Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4126DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 23:54
>>>>
>>>> From: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> To: ALL
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that
>>>>
>>>> has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world
>>>>
>>>> experience and not just idle thinking.In my day-to-day work I deal
>>>>
>>>> with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large start
>>>>
>>>> and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment etc.
>>>>
>>>> On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely high
>>>>
>>>> voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start
>>>>
>>>> this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition.What I
>>>>
>>>> am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact
>>>>
>>>> that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all
>>>>
>>>> electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the
>>>>
>>>> line or the earth ground bonding.I have seen motors nearby that are
>>>>
>>>> turned off actually run backwards.Since these motors were of shaded
>>>>
>>>> pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is
>>>>
>>>> responsible for this phenomenon, that is “negative electricity”. 
>>>> The shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design
>>>>
>>>> unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or
>>>>
>>>> some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it backwards.
>>>>
>>>> Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact
>>>>
>>>> that large switches and contactors have their contacts either
>>>>
>>>> completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high
>>>>
>>>> voltage carried over relatively small wires.What is going on here has
>>>>
>>>> been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he
>>>>
>>>> said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique
>>>>
>>>> element that has 2 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can
>>>>
>>>> be bounced free for use only to be replenished from the ether.He 
>>>> stated that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of 
>>>> steel to take advantage of this unique feature of iron.Dr. 
>>>> Tewari,in his book "Beyond Mater" brings out the same fact and is 
>>>> the heart of the famed "N Machine".The best source of an insight as 
>>>> to how this works is found in Dr. Harold Aspden's presentation to 
>>>> the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's Energy Future".In 
>>>> this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring an iron mass 
>>>> to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax.A release of ZPE or 
>>>> ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron.Yule Brown says it best, 
>>>> "We should think everything backwards in this field of free 
>>>> energy".The backwards thinking comes into play in the fact that 
>>>> when the free electrons in the M shell of the iron atoms are freed 
>>>> they flow out of the iron itself therefore are present in the 
>>>> neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and not in the hot or 
>>>> supply side of the conventional circuit.When you excite atoms to a 
>>>> high electron state and allow them to return to ground state they 
>>>> release photons of energy but retain their original energy levels 
>>>> with no degradation therefore the energy that was lost by photon 
>>>> emission has been replaced from space vacuum or ZPE.The key to 
>>>> releasing the 2 free electrons in each iron atom is in the degree 
>>>> of magnetic saturation that occurs in our device design.I have read 
>>>> several papers in the Keely files that incorporate magnetic 
>>>> saturation of iron in the basic design of the device such as the 
>>>> Gray Motor that used bucking opposing magnetic fields to pop the 
>>>> iron electrons free.The error most researchers are making is that 
>>>> they are looking for the energy manifestation to occur in the 
>>>> conductors associated with the design but should be looking at the 
>>>> ground or earth bond side of the circuit. All electric motors have 
>>>> a bonding or ground wire attached to the iron stator which in most 
>>>> cases is the neutral side of the input line.I hope that this input 
>>>> to the free energy puzzle will prompt some massage of gray matter 
>>>> and maybe we can build the future machine we have all been looking 
>>>> for.Norm
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4128DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 09:02
>>>>
>>>> From: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> To: ALL
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes or ZPE
>>>>
>>>> occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil that is so
>>>>
>>>> popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce.Tesla
>>>>
>>>> said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not 
>>>> produce
>>>>
>>>> sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance. 
>>>> ????????
>>>>
>>>> Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it
>>>>
>>>> occurring?Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of
>>>>
>>>> designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the
>>>>
>>>> earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to
>>>>
>>>> produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of
>>>>
>>>> the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the
>>>>
>>>> earth.I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not
>>>>
>>>> one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons
>>>>
>>>> directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had planed to
>>>>
>>>> use at Wardencliff, Long Island.If you read carefully such documents
>>>>
>>>> as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find 
>>>> clearly
>>>>
>>>> stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this 
>>>> conductor
>>>>
>>>> must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of 
>>>> earth
>>>>
>>>> pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free
>>>>
>>>> resonance.He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a coil
>>>>
>>>> with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire.Well I might
>>>>
>>>> be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping
>>>>
>>>> to me.Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this phenomenon
>>>>
>>>> to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is 
>>>> operated at
>>>>
>>>> full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant
>>>>
>>>> power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ.I say approximately for I don't
>>>>
>>>> think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant
>>>>
>>>> frequency as of yet.This figure is close enough for government work
>>>>
>>>> at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure.I
>>>>
>>>> belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed
>>>>
>>>> the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers.
>>>>
>>>> Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise detail.I
>>>>
>>>> have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input from
>>>>
>>>> the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the
>>>>
>>>> basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some
>>>>
>>>> meaningful input.Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths
>>>>
>>>> of this KeelyNet.Your friend Norm.
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4129DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:40
>>>>
>>>> From: JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)-- RECEIVED --
>>>>
>>>> To: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> Subject: (R) Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!EXCELLENT cubed!!!
>>>>
>>>> The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication
>>>>
>>>> system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be
>>>>
>>>> modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this
>>>>
>>>> instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater speaker/microphone 
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> those who don't know what a hydrophone is).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up
>>>>
>>>> like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency
>>>>
>>>> (around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one 
>>>> wants
>>>>
>>>> to use) of the Earth.The waves of this energetically vibrating
>>>>
>>>> planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys.By tuning to
>>>>
>>>> this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus
>>>>
>>>> tap the energy.I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs
>>>>
>>>> experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site
>>>>
>>>> complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they
>>>>
>>>> walked.This is what made me regard the Earth as power source
>>>>
>>>> experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have
>>>>
>>>> now, it just would destroy everything...
>>>>
>>>> However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative
>>>>
>>>> force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a
>>>>
>>>> treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy???
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I
>>>>
>>>> think you are more down to earth with the 2 electron
>>>>
>>>> description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the
>>>>
>>>> optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or
>>>>
>>>> calculation.
>>>>
>>>> You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the
>>>>
>>>> deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth has
>>>>
>>>> shells of varying power densities.
>>>>
>>>> But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4147DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:20
>>>>
>>>> From: JOEL MCCLAIN-- RECEIVED --
>>>>
>>>> To: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Ground Spikes
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>
>>>> I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side of 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> line, because spikes which originate there can blow both wiring and 
>>>> xfmrs.
>>>>
>>>> I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked,
>>>>
>>>> before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high 
>>>> DC in
>>>>
>>>> capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor.It
>>>>
>>>> was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work.
>>>>
>>>> Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and
>>>>
>>>> then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, because elec.
>>>>
>>>> timers run fast in the tachyon field.I've seen that, even with my
>>>>
>>>> little coil.Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and
>>>>
>>>> boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires.
>>>>
>>>> We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller 
>>>> scale,
>>>>
>>>> to get earth resonance.
>>>>
>>>> CUL
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4150DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 10:54
>>>>
>>>> From: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> To: ALL
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I
>>>>
>>>> probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related
>>>>
>>>> documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years.Yes
>>>>
>>>> I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ power
>>>>
>>>> wave.Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very
>>>>
>>>> interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification so as
>>>>
>>>> to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the 
>>>> elevated
>>>>
>>>> terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful
>>>>
>>>> 8HZ sine wave by the use of a large period pendulum such as Tesla
>>>>
>>>> employed at Colorado Springs.Besides the mercury tube rectifier that
>>>>
>>>> Kovack outlined in ESJ there is another method of high voltage/ high
>>>>
>>>> freq rectification that Tesla patented which is easier to achieve and
>>>>
>>>> could be applied to your small coil for research purposes.Look at
>>>>
>>>> Tesla's Patents on AC/DC rectification in the volume on TESLA PATENTS.
>>>>
>>>> A totally magnetic method of AC rectification which is simple and can
>>>>
>>>> be applied to any voltage or freq.I did not ask a question but
>>>>
>>>> instead tried to lay out some evidence as to the correct approach to a
>>>>
>>>> vexing problem of solving the over-unity puzzle.Your friend Norm
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4153DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 11:49
>>>>
>>>> From: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> To: ALL
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Joel: some additional food for thought, study the Wardencliff Tower
>>>>
>>>> that was almost complete when the financial plug was pulled and you
>>>>
>>>> will see no pendulum tower or any evidence of the use of a pendulum 
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>> the purpose of modulation.I believe that Tesla had devised a method
>>>>
>>>> of modulation or forming 8HZ sine waves through the magnetic pinching
>>>>
>>>> of a plasma in the connection between the elevated capacitance and the
>>>>
>>>> deep earth ground system that was so elaborately constructed at
>>>>
>>>> Wardencliff.Kovack Corum and others are under the same thought about
>>>>
>>>> the use of forming a slow low freq sine wave directly through the use
>>>>
>>>> of plasma modulation of an ultra high voltage electrostatic charge.
>>>>
>>>> Remember that Tesla was famous for his little mechanical or hydraulic
>>>>
>>>> analogs to electrical problems that he was trying to explain.Just
>>>>
>>>> remember the little girl on the swing, If you fire the positive 
>>>> half of
>>>>
>>>> a 8HZ or earth resonant wave into the ground the earth will respond
>>>>
>>>> with the negative half of the same wave if your input is exactly in
>>>>
>>>> phase and synchronized.You only have to put in a small input to bring
>>>>
>>>> forth a magnification or reinforcing effect.
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 4222DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:53
>>>>
>>>> From: NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>
>>>> To: ALL
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Ground Connect
>>>>
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Back several years ago I put together one of Teslas' cosmic ray
>>>>
>>>> collectors and simple escapement motors and it worked just as R. A.
>>>>
>>>> Ford depicted in his book.The most interesting thing that I noticed
>>>>
>>>> is that the capacitor connected to the elevated antenna or collector
>>>>
>>>> accumulated a charge just the opposite that you would normally
>>>>
>>>> assume,that is a negative charge. My thinking is that the capacitor 
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>> actually being charge from the earth with the elevated antenna
>>>>
>>>> providing an opposite charge sink on the other side of the capacitor
>>>>
>>>> plates.Sort of like Tesla trying to tell us that the real power of
>>>>
>>>> the Tesla coil operating at full resonance would be manifested in the
>>>>
>>>> ground circuit of the coil with the elevated capacitance being 
>>>> merely a
>>>>
>>>> sink for the oscillations to occur.Remember that Tesla said that for
>>>>
>>>> a Tesla coil to do any worthwhile work that there should be no 
>>>> spark or
>>>>
>>>> corona discharge at the upper terminal.If discharge did occur it is
>>>>
>>>> merely a waste of energy.Norm
>>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should 
>>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave 
>>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing 
>>>>> the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and 
>>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet 
>>>>> another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one 
>>>>> motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that 
>>>>> there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to 
>>>>> powder as it runs.
>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump
>>>>>     resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies
>>>>>     in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call
>>>>>     collector caps, .
>>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means
>>>>>     of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also
>>>>>     there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how
>>>>>     long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and
>>>>>     refill they again change the ferroresonance or resonance
>>>>>     "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>>     Kone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Ok Norm thanks for that!   As far as a material for spikes something
highly magnostrictive and quickly saturated comes to mind.

I believe we are speaking of two different modalities that work
together, the asymmetric pumped ferromag core and bonding same to earth
as with the Tesla Mag Transmitter.  So the ferroresonant effect which
creates the FM or Phase modulated longitudinal wave so great for pumping
and torsion fields and the return strike from the earth.

Interesting to note a return strike only occurs with an initial negative
charged strike!


On 8/5/2018 4:56 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> A biblical saying, Genesis One, Let there be light and the light shown
> brightly in the firmament!  Ok!  Lets go back to the very beginning
> with the my buzzer and Hectors Coil Banger and Joel's COILBACK
> experiments.   See: Neutral Spike doc. 
>
> This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
>
>   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.  
>
>
> Schematic:
>
>
> Oh!  BTW, If you are well insulated from a ground source, you can hold
> the  metal frame of the buzzer and not get a shock.  If you are earth
> grounded and touch the metal frame while buzzing you will get the
> approximately 2000VAC.  The relationship is between the iron and the
> earth ground.  Remember that a 120VAC to 24 VAC step down transformer
> secondary winding is isolated from earth ground (That is how isolation
> transformers work).
>
> =================
>
>   Message 4577                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44
>
>   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   To     : ALL
>
>   Subject: Neutral Spike
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>  
>
>   Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the
> source of
>
>   the NEUTRAL SPIKE.  I was working in a  nursing home installing some
> simple
>
>   buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the
> sound level
>
>   of the audio  output (the loudness of the buzz) when I  got  a 
> shock  that
>
>   nearly took me  right off the ladder.  Now this buzzer is powered by
> 24V AC
>
>   and you can't get a shock out of 24VAC  but  when  you  consider 
> the SPIKE
>
>   PHENOMENON it is awesome.  This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called 
> a LUNGEN
>
>   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.  I suggest all that are
> interested in
>
>   duplicating the following  experiment,  go  to your local electrical
> supply
>
>   house and get this particular model for  it has features that are
> ideal for
>
>   the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES.  This buzzer is 
> constructed so as
>
>   both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid
> steel (not
>
>   laminated) core is  grounded  to  the frame or metal case.  The
> solid steel
>
>   core is of  very  mild  steel  which  aggravates  the  production 
> of  spike
>
>   potential.  Remember I  said you need to think backwards?  Yes  we 
> want  a
>
>   magnetic core which  has  the most horrible spike producing
> characteristics.
>
>   If there is an engineer out there who  could  suggest an ideal
> material for
>
>   this application, by  all  means  speak  up  for  I would  love 
> input  and
>
>   participation in this  project.   I brought home a new buzzer and
> hooked it
>
>   up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformer  and  attached  my
> multi-meter
>
>   (Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the case  of the
> buzzer and
>
>   used the red  lead to test the potential on the two buzzer
> terminals.  With
>
>   24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the
> iron core
>
>   of the buzzer.  What is interesting  is  the  fact  that with the
> adjusting
>
>   screw I could  vary  the voltage output by changing the  frequency 
> of  the
>
>   buzzer contacts. Now  to  build  a  similar  device  that will
> enable me to
>
>   explore a possible  resonant  region   that   may  exist  related 
> to  this
>
>   phenomenon.  I am willing to bet that there will prove  to  be  a 
> definite
>
>   relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray
> capacitance that
>
>   may be involved in the simple circuit.  Therefore I will be looking
> for a
>
>   point of resonance  that  will maximize the spike output.  Before
> the TESLA
>
>   COIL builders out there jump in and say  it is a simple voltage
> multiplying
>
>   based on impedance ratio,  well I only have one coil (no
> secondary).  Joel,
>
>   put that in  your  pipe  and smoke it a while and see  if  you  can 
> see  a
>
>   solution other than magnetic constricting as you described earlier
> in one
>
>   of you messages.   If  a  saturating  magnetic  flux  is  driving
> electrons
>
>   directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here
> since this
>
>   whole planet is             practically             
> iron.             NORM
>
>  
> ===========================================================================
>
>   Message 4583                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07
>
>   From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
>
>   To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   Subject: Negative Spike
>
>                                      Page 1
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>  
>
>   Hi Norm,
>
>   Count on me  for confirmation of this.  About the same time that I
> uploaded
>
>   COILBAK, I also  uploaded COILUNIT,  which  is  a  12VDC  relay, 
> energized
>
>   through its normally   closed  contacts,  so  that  it   would  
> open/close
>
>   continuously at very  close  to  its aggregate resonance, just like
> the old
>
>   vibrators that they used in car radios  to  produce  AC for the
> vacuum tube
>
>   radios.  They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to
> death,
>
>   but they usually outlasted the warranty.  Anyway, COILUNIT 
> produces  those
>
>   same high negative  spikes,  and  when  connected to a rechargeable
> battery,
>
>   once the battery accepts the spikes,  the  terminal  voltage stops
> falling,
>
>   and the voltage  stabilizes.  This is how the Dutch inventor  got 
> so  many
>
>   miles on his electric motorcycle.  Anyway, it is subject to
> mechanical time
>
>   delays, so it  is  not  an  above-unity device, which leads to the
> "cranky"
>
>   semiconductors that Woody spoke of, and  which  COILBAK  depends
> upon.  The
>
>   spikes are exactly as you describe.  Thanks again, my friend.
>
>   Joel
>
>  
> ===========================================================================
>
>   Message 4585                                   DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55
>
>   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   To     : ALL
>
>   Subject: Negative Spike
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>  
>
>   To all out there who may want to experiment with the generation  of
> neutral
>
>   spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the
> ground" or
>
>   neutral to get  a  handle  on  the  spikes  coming  out  of  the 
> iron.  In
>
>   electrical circles this is a "NO NO" because  electrical engineers
> consider
>
>   spikes as a  nuisance  and  bothersome  output that they  try  to 
> totally
>
>   suppress because of it's  destructive  properties.  Since the
> voltages go off
>
>   the scale and sometimes have current magnitudes  that they elect not
> to deal
>
>   with they simply  install  varistors and such devices to 
> effectively  take
>
>   this unwanted energy  to  earth  ground.  Our objective is to
> conserve all
>
>   this energy and put it to some use.   My  advice  is  just  be
> careful when
>
>   dealing with any  electrical device  on  which you are working 
> that  has  a
>
>   floating neutral or earth ground. Norm
>
>  
> On 8/4/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to
>> the neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed
>> however you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and
>> Hector mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp
>> neutral spike event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the
>> rotoverter require the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a
>> buzzer when I was a kid that would do something similar if one
>> touched the switching relay but found one a few months back looked
>> the same but does nothing.  I remember that buzzer being fearsome
>> with only a little battery as it felt like a 220 shock with current.
>>
>> SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike
>> would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to
>> have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not
>>> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench
>>> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was
>>> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor
>>> that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect.
>>> Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group
>>> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground
>>> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga.
>>> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When
>>> an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay
>>> would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated
>>> condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a
>>> magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are
>>> separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in
>>> the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation
>>> of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd)
>>> created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was
>>> cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan
>>> motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case
>>> there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and
>>> an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss
>>> wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of
>>> the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run
>>> to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up
>>> with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground
>>>> involved?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a
>>>>> circuit (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values
>>>>> needed to zero in on the targeted frequency for hard
>>>>> ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the
>>>>> environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like the
>>>>> thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be
>>>>> made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore
>>>>> the same circuit can auto target the values needed to capture the
>>>>> circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we
>>>>> will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it,
>>>>> just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor
>>>>> experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop
>>>>> out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super
>>>>> saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase
>>>>> contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an
>>>>> isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy
>>>>> (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP
>>>>> shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right
>>>>> on!   Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> * *
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4126                                   DATE/TIME: 01/07/94
>>>>> 23:54
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : ALL
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>   OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that
>>>>>
>>>>> has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world
>>>>>
>>>>> experience and not just idle thinking.  In my day-to-day work I deal
>>>>>
>>>>> with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large
>>>>> start
>>>>>
>>>>> and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment
>>>>> etc. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely
>>>>> high
>>>>>
>>>>> voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start
>>>>>
>>>>> this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition. 
>>>>> What I
>>>>>
>>>>> am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact
>>>>>
>>>>> that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all
>>>>>
>>>>> electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the
>>>>>
>>>>> line or the earth ground bonding.  I have seen motors nearby that are
>>>>>
>>>>> turned off actually run backwards.  Since these motors were of shaded
>>>>>
>>>>> pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is
>>>>>
>>>>> responsible for this phenomenon, that is “negative electricity”.
>>>>> The shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design
>>>>>
>>>>> unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or
>>>>>
>>>>> some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it
>>>>> backwards. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact
>>>>>
>>>>> that large switches and contactors have their contacts either
>>>>>
>>>>> completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high
>>>>>
>>>>> voltage carried over relatively small wires.  What is going on
>>>>> here has
>>>>>
>>>>> been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he
>>>>>
>>>>> said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique
>>>>>
>>>>> element that has 2 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can
>>>>>
>>>>> be bounced free for use only to be replenished from the ether.  He
>>>>> stated that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of
>>>>> steel to take advantage of this unique feature of iron.  Dr.
>>>>> Tewari,in his book "Beyond Mater" brings out the same fact and is
>>>>> the heart of the famed "N Machine".  The best source of an insight
>>>>> as to how this works is found in Dr. Harold Aspden's presentation
>>>>> to the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's Energy
>>>>> Future".  In this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring
>>>>> an iron mass to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax.  A
>>>>> release of ZPE or ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron.  Yule
>>>>> Brown says it best, "We should think everything backwards in this
>>>>> field of free energy".  The backwards thinking comes into play in
>>>>> the fact that when the free electrons in the M shell of the iron
>>>>> atoms are freed they flow out of the iron itself therefore are
>>>>> present in the neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and not
>>>>> in the hot or supply side of the conventional circuit.  When you
>>>>> excite atoms to a high electron state and allow them to return to
>>>>> ground state they release photons of energy but retain their
>>>>> original energy levels with no degradation therefore the energy
>>>>> that was lost by photon emission has been replaced from space
>>>>> vacuum or ZPE.  The key to releasing the 2 free electrons in each
>>>>> iron atom is in the degree of magnetic saturation that occurs in
>>>>> our device design.  I have read several papers in the Keely files
>>>>> that incorporate magnetic saturation of iron in the basic design
>>>>> of the device such as the Gray Motor that used bucking opposing
>>>>> magnetic fields to pop the iron electrons free.  The error most
>>>>> researchers are making is that they are looking for the energy
>>>>> manifestation to occur in the conductors associated with the
>>>>> design but should be looking at the ground or earth bond side of
>>>>> the circuit. All electric motors have a bonding or ground wire
>>>>> attached to the iron stator which in most cases is the neutral
>>>>> side of the input line.  I hope that this input to the free energy
>>>>> puzzle will prompt some massage of gray matter and maybe we can
>>>>> build the future machine we have all been looking for.  Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4128                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94
>>>>> 09:02
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : ALL
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>   Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes
>>>>> or ZPE
>>>>>
>>>>> occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil that is so
>>>>>
>>>>> popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce. 
>>>>> Tesla
>>>>>
>>>>> said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not
>>>>> produce
>>>>>
>>>>> sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance.
>>>>> ????????
>>>>>
>>>>> Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it
>>>>>
>>>>> occurring?  Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of
>>>>>
>>>>> designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the
>>>>>
>>>>> earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to
>>>>>
>>>>> produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of
>>>>>
>>>>> the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the
>>>>>
>>>>> earth.  I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not
>>>>>
>>>>> one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons
>>>>>
>>>>> directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had
>>>>> planed to
>>>>>
>>>>> use at Wardencliff, Long Island.  If you read carefully such
>>>>> documents
>>>>>
>>>>> as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find
>>>>> clearly
>>>>>
>>>>> stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this
>>>>> conductor
>>>>>
>>>>> must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of
>>>>> earth
>>>>>
>>>>> pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free
>>>>>
>>>>> resonance.  He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a
>>>>> coil
>>>>>
>>>>> with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire.   Well I
>>>>> might
>>>>>
>>>>> be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping
>>>>>
>>>>> to me.  Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this
>>>>> phenomenon
>>>>>
>>>>> to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is
>>>>> operated at
>>>>>
>>>>> full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant
>>>>>
>>>>> power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ.  I say approximately for I don't
>>>>>
>>>>> think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant
>>>>>
>>>>> frequency as of yet.  This figure is close enough for government work
>>>>>
>>>>> at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure.  I
>>>>>
>>>>> belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed
>>>>>
>>>>> the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise
>>>>> detail.  I
>>>>>
>>>>> have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input
>>>>> from
>>>>>
>>>>> the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the
>>>>>
>>>>> basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some
>>>>>
>>>>> meaningful input.  Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths
>>>>>
>>>>> of this KeelyNet.  Your friend Norm.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4129                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94
>>>>> 10:40
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: (R) Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norm!  EXCELLENT cubed!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication
>>>>>
>>>>> system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be
>>>>>
>>>>> modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this
>>>>>
>>>>> instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater
>>>>> speaker/microphone for
>>>>>
>>>>> those who don't know what a hydrophone is).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up
>>>>>
>>>>> like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency
>>>>>
>>>>> (around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one
>>>>> wants
>>>>>
>>>>> to use) of the Earth.  The waves of this energetically vibrating
>>>>>
>>>>> planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys.  By tuning to
>>>>>
>>>>> this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus
>>>>>
>>>>> tap the energy.  I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs
>>>>>
>>>>> experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site
>>>>>
>>>>> complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they
>>>>>
>>>>> walked.  This is what made me regard the Earth as power source
>>>>>
>>>>> experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have
>>>>>
>>>>> now, it just would destroy everything...
>>>>>
>>>>> However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative
>>>>>
>>>>> force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a
>>>>>
>>>>> treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy??? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I
>>>>>
>>>>> think you are more down to earth with the 2 electron
>>>>>
>>>>> description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the
>>>>>
>>>>> optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or
>>>>>
>>>>> calculation. 
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the
>>>>>
>>>>> deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth
>>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>> shells of varying power densities. 
>>>>>
>>>>> But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4147                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94
>>>>> 22:20
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Ground Spikes
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side
>>>>> of the
>>>>>
>>>>> line, because spikes which originate there can blow both wiring
>>>>> and xfmrs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked,
>>>>>
>>>>> before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high
>>>>> DC in
>>>>>
>>>>> capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor.  It
>>>>>
>>>>> was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and
>>>>>
>>>>> then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, because elec.
>>>>>
>>>>> timers run fast in the tachyon field.  I've seen that, even with my
>>>>>
>>>>> little coil.  Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and
>>>>>
>>>>> boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires.
>>>>>
>>>>> We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller
>>>>> scale,
>>>>>
>>>>> to get earth resonance.
>>>>>
>>>>> CUL
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4150                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94
>>>>> 10:54
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : ALL
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I
>>>>>
>>>>> probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related
>>>>>
>>>>> documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years. 
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ
>>>>> power
>>>>>
>>>>> wave.  Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very
>>>>>
>>>>> interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification
>>>>> so as
>>>>>
>>>>> to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the
>>>>> elevated
>>>>>
>>>>> terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful
>>>>>
>>>>> 8HZ sine wave by the use of a large period pendulum such as Tesla
>>>>>
>>>>> employed at Colorado Springs.  Besides the mercury tube rectifier
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> Kovack outlined in ESJ there is another method of high voltage/ high
>>>>>
>>>>> freq rectification that Tesla patented which is easier to achieve and
>>>>>
>>>>> could be applied to your small coil for research purposes.  Look at
>>>>>
>>>>> Tesla's Patents on AC/DC rectification in the volume on TESLA
>>>>> PATENTS. 
>>>>>
>>>>> A totally magnetic method of AC rectification which is simple and can
>>>>>
>>>>> be applied to any voltage or freq.  I did not ask a question but
>>>>>
>>>>> instead tried to lay out some evidence as to the correct approach
>>>>> to a
>>>>>
>>>>> vexing problem of solving the over-unity puzzle.  Your friend Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4153                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94
>>>>> 11:49
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>

>>>>> To     : ALL
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Neutral Spike
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Joel: some additional food for thought, study the Wardencliff Tower
>>>>>
>>>>> that was almost complete when the financial plug was pulled and you
>>>>>
>>>>> will see no pendulum tower or any evidence of the use of a
>>>>> pendulum for
>>>>>
>>>>> the purpose of modulation.  I believe that Tesla had devised a method
>>>>>
>>>>> of modulation or forming 8HZ sine waves through the magnetic pinching
>>>>>
>>>>> of a plasma in the connection between the elevated capacitance and
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> deep earth ground system that was so elaborately constructed at
>>>>>
>>>>> Wardencliff.  Kovack Corum and others are under the same thought
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> the use of forming a slow low freq sine wave directly through the use
>>>>>
>>>>> of plasma modulation of an ultra high voltage electrostatic charge. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember that Tesla was famous for his little mechanical or hydraulic
>>>>>
>>>>> analogs to electrical problems that he was trying to explain.  Just
>>>>>
>>>>> remember the little girl on the swing, If you fire the positive
>>>>> half of
>>>>>
>>>>> a 8HZ or earth resonant wave into the ground the earth will respond
>>>>>
>>>>> with the negative half of the same wave if your input is exactly in
>>>>>
>>>>> phase and synchronized.  You only have to put in a small input to
>>>>> bring
>>>>>
>>>>> forth a magnification or reinforcing effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 4222                                   DATE/TIME: 01/12/94
>>>>> 08:53
>>>>>
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>
>>>>> To     : ALL
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Ground Connect
>>>>>
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Back several years ago I put together one of Teslas' cosmic ray
>>>>>
>>>>> collectors and simple escapement motors and it worked just as R. A.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ford depicted in his book.  The most interesting thing that I noticed
>>>>>
>>>>> is that the capacitor connected to the elevated antenna or collector
>>>>>
>>>>> accumulated a charge just the opposite that you would normally
>>>>>
>>>>> assume,that is a negative charge. My thinking is that the
>>>>> capacitor was
>>>>>
>>>>> actually being charge from the earth with the elevated antenna
>>>>>
>>>>> providing an opposite charge sink on the other side of the capacitor
>>>>>
>>>>> plates.  Sort of like Tesla trying to tell us that the real power of
>>>>>
>>>>> the Tesla coil operating at full resonance would be manifested in the
>>>>>
>>>>> ground circuit of the coil with the elevated capacitance being
>>>>> merely a
>>>>>
>>>>> sink for the oscillations to occur.  Remember that Tesla said that
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> a Tesla coil to do any worthwhile work that there should be no
>>>>> spark or
>>>>>
>>>>> corona discharge at the upper terminal.  If discharge did occur it is
>>>>>
>>>>> merely a waste of energy.  Norm
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you
>>>>>> should be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since
>>>>>> wave detector, for consideration.
>>>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing
>>>>>> the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and
>>>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet
>>>>>> another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one
>>>>>> motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that
>>>>>> there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning
>>>>>> to powder as it runs.
>>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps
>>>>>>     there is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction
>>>>>>     of this energy, not just the observation or prediction of it
>>>>>>     or the cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to
>>>>>>     be the "scientific purpose".....
>>>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump
>>>>>>     resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies
>>>>>>     in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call
>>>>>>     collector caps, .
>>>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means
>>>>>>     of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also
>>>>>>     there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how
>>>>>>     long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and
>>>>>>     refill they again change the ferroresonance or resonance
>>>>>>     "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of
>>>>>>     resonant condition since you have same effects you want in
>>>>>>     extraction and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20
>>>>>>     or X 50 in magnitude.
>>>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>>>     Kone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks Ole
George

    On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 7:20:19 pm AEST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Hi George,

In the US the phases are split in two halves with a neutral in the center instead of using three phases.

Thanks NormGeorge

    On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:49:45 pm AEST, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

George! I lived in Europe for 4 years and we had single phase 220VAC.  Here in the US, in domestic applications. Delta-Y stepdown transformers (domestic consumption) we have 120VAC single phase (one leg and a neutral. Also single phase is two legs L-1 & L-2 = 220VAC (single phase) no neutral!   Although you are measuring between two of the 3 legs, it is still considered single phase power.  That is for a Y transformer for it has a common neutral point to all three legs.
 
 
 On 8/3/2018 10:27 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      Norm, 
  Here in Australia when we say it is single phase, we mean it is one phase of the three phase 415 volt supply and the neutral and this gives us 240 volts.
  
  How do you get a single phase supply without a neutral over there? 
  George
  
  
  
      On Saturday, 4 August 2018, 9:34:57 am AEST, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
  
          
 
 
Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run capacitors  needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current  detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no neutral in schematic.  You have a magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP  (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as  the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the  isolation of the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was  created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
 
 
  On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm,
 
Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?
 
 On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit (Ardino  ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on the targeted  frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the environment, just use the  circuits to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the  ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values needed  to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a  simple overload relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which  gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an  isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot  in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
 
 
 On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Doug 
 What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage? With such a detector, the signal can then close a  heavy duty switch. If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes,  then you should be able to harvest the maximum energy. Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since  wave detector, for consideration. Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of  closing the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed. This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out  brushes, and commutators, and heats up power tools. We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in  yet another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor  to another, with permanent magnet DC motors. The beauty of a solid state transformer based device,  is that there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning  to powder as it runs. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Hi Warren
 Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance  and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth  dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy,  not just the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or avoidance of  it which usually seems to be the "scientific purpose".....
 As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is  extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
 And so the distribution of the positive or negative  energies in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector caps, .
 and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load  (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and  independent and disconnected more or less from the system or  circuit that filled these caps)
 now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of  "means of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how  long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
 Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill  they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"  of primary system that fills caps.
 My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT inductorsvery  briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause hypernringing  within coil and gives you simulation of resonant condition since you have  same effects you want in extraction and that is voltage  increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
 Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your  pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC, at.voltage peak periods.
 Kone

NormanDo you at this time still have access to one of these buzzers?They can't be rocket science to make one from scratch if necessary. I bought a vintage model T coil a few weeks ago for $15 , a device that incorporates a buzzer as part of the spark circuit, to activate the inductor.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 at 7:56 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

A biblical saying, Genesis One, Let there be light and the light shown brightly in the firmament!  Ok!  Lets go back to the very beginning with the my buzzer and Hectors Coil Banger and Joel's COILBACK experiments.   See: Neutral Spike doc.  
 
 

This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.   

 

 
 
Schematic:
 

 
 
Oh!  BTW, If you are well insulated from a ground source, you can hold the  metal frame of the buzzer and not get a shock.  If you are earth grounded and touch the metal frame while buzzing you will get the approximately 2000VAC.  The relationship is between the iron and the earth ground.  Remember that a 120VAC to 24 VAC step down transformer secondary winding is isolated from earth ground (That is how isolation transformers work).
 
 
=================
 
  Message 4577                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44
 
  From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
  To     : ALL
 
  Subject: Neutral Spike
 
  Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
  Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the source of
 
  the NEUTRAL SPIKE.  I was working in a  nursing home installing some simple
 
  buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the sound level
 
  of the audio  output (the loudness of the buzz) when I  got  a  shock  that
 
  nearly took me  right off the ladder.  Now this buzzer is powered by 24V AC
 
  and you can't get a shock out of 24VAC  but  when  you  consider  the SPIKE
 
  PHENOMENON it is awesome.  This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
 
  BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.  I suggest all that are interested in
 
  duplicating the following  experiment,  go  to your local electrical supply
 
  house and get this particular model for  it has features that are ideal for
 
  the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES.  This buzzer is  constructed so as
 
  both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid steel (not
 
  laminated) core is  grounded  to  the frame or metal case.  The solid steel
 
  core is of  very  mild  steel  which  aggravates  the  production  of  spike
 
  potential.  Remember I  said you need to think backwards?  Yes  we  want  a
 
  magnetic core which  has  the most horrible spike producing characteristics.
 
  If there is an engineer out there who  could  suggest an ideal material for
 
  this application, by  all  means  speak  up  for  I would  love  input  and
 
  participation in this  project.   I brought home a new buzzer and hooked it
 
  up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformer  and  attached  my multi-meter
 
  (Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the case  of the buzzer and
 
  used the red  lead to test the potential on the two buzzer terminals.  With
 
  24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the iron core
 
  of the buzzer.  What is interesting  is  the  fact  that with the adjusting
 
  screw I could  vary  the voltage output by changing the  frequency  of  the
 
  buzzer contacts. Now  to  build  a  similar  device  that will enable me to
 
  explore a possible  resonant  region   that   may  exist  related  to  this
 
  phenomenon.  I am willing to bet that there will prove  to  be  a  definite
 
  relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray capacitance that
 
  may be involved in the simple circuit.  Therefore I will be looking for a
 
  point of resonance  that  will maximize the spike output.  Before the TESLA
 
  COIL builders out there jump in and say  it is a simple voltage multiplying
 
  based on impedance ratio,  well I only have one coil (no secondary).  Joel,
 
  put that in  your  pipe  and smoke it a while and see  if  you  can  see  a
 
  solution other than magnetic constricting as you described earlier in one
 
  of you messages.   If  a  saturating  magnetic  flux  is  driving electrons
 
  directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here since this
 
  whole planet is             practically              iron.             NORM
 
  ===========================================================================
 
  Message 4583                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07
 
  From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
 
  To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
  Subject: Negative Spike
 
                                     Page 1
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
  Hi Norm,
 
  Count on me  for confirmation of this.  About the same time that I uploaded
 
  COILBAK, I also  uploaded COILUNIT,  which  is  a  12VDC  relay,  energized
 
  through its normally   closed  contacts,  so  that  it   would   open/close
 
  continuously at very  close  to  its aggregate resonance, just like the old
 
  vibrators that they used in car radios  to  produce  AC for the vacuum tube
 
  radios.  They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to death,
 
  but they usually outlasted the warranty.  Anyway, COILUNIT  produces  those
 
  same high negative  spikes,  and  when  connected to a rechargeable battery,
 
  once the battery accepts the spikes,  the  terminal  voltage stops falling,
 
  and the voltage  stabilizes.  This is how the Dutch inventor  got  so  many
 
  miles on his electric motorcycle.  Anyway, it is subject to mechanical time
 
  delays, so it  is  not  an  above-unity device, which leads to the "cranky"
 
  semiconductors that Woody spoke of, and  which  COILBAK  depends upon.  The
 
  spikes are exactly as you describe.  Thanks again, my friend.
 
  Joel
 
  ===========================================================================
 
  Message 4585                                   DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55
 
  From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
  To     : ALL
 
  Subject: Negative Spike
 
  Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
  To all out there who may want to experiment with the generation  of neutral
 
  spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the ground" or
 
  neutral to get  a  handle  on  the  spikes  coming  out  of  the  iron.  In
 
  electrical circles this is a "NO NO" because  electrical engineers consider
 
  spikes as a  nuisance  and  bothersome  output that they  try  to  totally
 
  suppress because of it's  destructive  properties.  Since the voltages go off
 
  the scale and sometimes have current magnitudes  that they elect not to deal
 
  with they simply  install  varistors and such devices to  effectively  take
 
  this unwanted energy  to  earth  ground.  Our objective is to conserve all
 
  this energy and put it to some use.   My  advice  is  just  be careful when
 
  dealing with any  electrical device  on  which you are working  that  has  a
 
  floating neutral or earth ground. Norm
    On 8/4/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm,
 
I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to the neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed however you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and Hector mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp neutral spike event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the rotoverter require the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a buzzer when I was a kid that would do something similar if one touched the switching relay but found one a few months back looked the same but does nothing.  I remember that buzzer being fearsome with only a little battery as it felt like a 220 shock with current.
 
 
SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.
 

 
 
 On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
 
 
 On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm,
 
Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?
 
 On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
 
 
Neutral Spike
 
 
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4126                                   DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 23:54
 
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
To     : ALL
 
Subject: Neutral Spike
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
  OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that 
 
has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world 
 
experience and not just idle thinking.  In my day-to-day work I deal 
 
with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large start 
 
and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment etc.  
 
On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely high 
 
voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start 
 
this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition.  What I 
 
am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact 
 
that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all 
 
electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the 
 
line or the earth ground bonding.  I have seen motors nearby that are 
 
turned off actually run backwards.  Since these motors were of shaded 
 
pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is 
 
responsible for this phenomenon, that is “negative electricity”. The shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design 
 
unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or 
 
some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it backwards.  
 
Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact 
 
that large switches and contactors have their contacts either 
 
completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high 
 
voltage carried over relatively small wires.  What is going on here has 
 
been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he 
 
said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique 
 
element that has 2 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can 
 
be bounced free for use only to be replenished from the ether.  He stated that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of steel to take advantage of this unique feature of iron.  Dr. Tewari,in his book "Beyond Mater" brings out the same fact and is the heart of the famed "N Machine".  The best source of an insight as to how this works is found in Dr. Harold Aspden's presentation to the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's Energy Future".  In this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring an iron mass to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax.  A release of ZPE or ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron.  Yule Brown says it best, "We should think everything backwards in this field of free energy".  The backwards thinking comes into play in the fact that when the free electrons in the M shell of the iron atoms are freed they flow out of the iron itself therefore are present in the neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and not in the hot or supply side of the conventional circuit.  When you excite atoms to a high electron state and allow them to return to ground state they release photons of energy but retain their original energy levels with no degradation therefore the energy that was lost by photon emission has been replaced from space vacuum or ZPE.  The key to releasing the 2 free electrons in each iron atom is in the degree of magnetic saturation that occurs in our device design.  I have read several papers in the Keely files that incorporate magnetic saturation of iron in the basic design of the device such as the Gray Motor that used bucking opposing magnetic fields to pop the iron  electrons free.  The error most researchers are making is that they are looking for the energy manifestation to occur in the conductors associated with the design but should be looking at the ground or earth bond side of the circuit. All electric motors have a bonding or ground wire attached to the iron stator which in most cases is the neutral side of the input line.  I hope that this input to the free energy puzzle will prompt some massage of gray matter and maybe we can build the future machine we have all been looking for.  Norm
 
===============================================================================
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4128                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 09:02
 
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
To     : ALL
 
Subject: Neutral Spike
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
  Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes or ZPE 
 
occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil that is so 
 
popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce.  Tesla 
 
said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not produce 
 
sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance. ???????? 
 
Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it 
 
occurring?  Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of 
 
designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the 
 
earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to 
 
produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of 
 
the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the 
 
earth.  I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not 
 
one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons 
 
directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had planed to 
 
use at Wardencliff, Long Island.  If you read carefully such documents 
 
as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find clearly 
 
stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this conductor 
 
must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of earth 
 
pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free 
 
resonance.  He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a coil 
 
with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire.   Well I might 
 
be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping 
 
to me.  Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this phenomenon 
 
to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is operated at 
 
full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant 
 
power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ.  I say approximately for I don't 
 
think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant 
 
frequency as of yet.  This figure is close enough for government work 
 
at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure.  I 
 
belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed 
 
the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers.  
 
Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise detail.  I 
 
have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input from 
 
the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the 
 
basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some 
 
meaningful input.  Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths 
 
of this KeelyNet.  Your friend Norm.
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4129                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:40
 
From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
 
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
Subject: (R) Neutral Spike
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
Hi Norm!  EXCELLENT cubed!!!
 
The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication 
 
system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be 
 
modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this 
 
instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater speaker/microphone for 
 
those who don't know what a hydrophone is).
 
Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up 
 
like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency 
 
(around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one wants 
 
to use) of the Earth.  The waves of this energetically vibrating 
 
planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys.  By tuning to 
 
this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus 
 
tap the energy.  I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs 
 
experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site 
 
complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they 
 
walked.  This is what made me regard the Earth as power source 
 
experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have 
 
now, it just would destroy everything...
 
However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative 
 
force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person.
 
Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a 
 
treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy???  
 
Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I 
 
think you are more down to earth with the 2 electron 
 
description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the 
 
optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or 
 
calculation.  
 
You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the 
 
deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth has 
 
shells of varying power densities.  
 
But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>>  
 
Jerry
 
===============================================================================
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4147                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:20
 
From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
 
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
Subject: Ground Spikes
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
Hi Norm,
 
I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side of the 
 
line, because spikes which originate there can blow both wiring and xfmrs.
 
I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked, 
 
before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high DC in 
 
capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor.  It 
 
was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work.
 
Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and 
 
then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, because elec. 
 
timers run fast in the tachyon field.  I've seen that, even with my 
 
little coil.  Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and 
 
boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires.
 
We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller scale, 
 
to get earth resonance.
 
CUL
 
Joel
 
===============================================================================
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4150                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 10:54
 
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
To     : ALL
 
Subject: Neutral Spike
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I 
 
probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related 
 
documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years.  Yes 
 
I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ power 
 
wave.  Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very 
 
interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification so as 
 
to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the elevated 
 
terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful 
 
8HZ sine wave by the use of a large period pendulum such as Tesla 
 
employed at Colorado Springs.  Besides the mercury tube rectifier that 
 
Kovack outlined in ESJ there is another method of high voltage/ high 
 
freq rectification that Tesla patented which is easier to achieve and 
 
could be applied to your small coil for research purposes.  Look at 
 
Tesla's Patents on AC/DC rectification in the volume on TESLA PATENTS.  
 
A totally magnetic method of AC rectification which is simple and can 
 
be applied to any voltage or freq.  I did not ask a question but 
 
instead tried to lay out some evidence as to the correct approach to a 
 
vexing problem of solving the over-unity puzzle.  Your friend Norm
 
===============================================================================
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4153                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 11:49
 
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
To     : ALL
 
Subject: Neutral Spike
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
Joel: some additional food for thought, study the Wardencliff Tower 
 
that was almost complete when the financial plug was pulled and you 
 
will see no pendulum tower or any evidence of the use of a pendulum for 
 
the purpose of modulation.  I believe that Tesla had devised a method 
 
of modulation or forming 8HZ sine waves through the magnetic pinching 
 
of a plasma in the connection between the elevated capacitance and the 
 
deep earth ground system that was so elaborately constructed at 
 
Wardencliff.  Kovack Corum and others are under the same thought about 
 
the use of forming a slow low freq sine wave directly through the use 
 
of plasma modulation of an ultra high voltage electrostatic charge.  
 
Remember that Tesla was famous for his little mechanical or hydraulic 
 
analogs to electrical problems that he was trying to explain.  Just 
 
remember the little girl on the swing, If you fire the positive half of 
 
a 8HZ or earth resonant wave into the ground the earth will respond 
 
with the negative half of the same wave if your input is exactly in 
 
phase and synchronized.  You only have to put in a small input to bring 
 
forth a magnification or reinforcing effect.
 
===============================================================================
 
===============================================================================
 
 
 
Message 4222                                   DATE/TIME: 01/12/94 08:53
 
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 
To     : ALL
 
Subject: Ground Connect
 
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 
 
Back several years ago I put together one of Teslas' cosmic ray 
 
collectors and simple escapement motors and it worked just as R. A. 
 
Ford depicted in his book.  The most interesting thing that I noticed 
 
is that the capacitor connected to the elevated antenna or collector 
 
accumulated a charge just the opposite that you would normally 
 
assume,that is a negative charge. My thinking is that the capacitor was 
 
actually being charge from the earth with the elevated antenna 
 
providing an opposite charge sink on the other side of the capacitor 
 
plates.  Sort of like Tesla trying to tell us that the real power of 
 
the Tesla coil operating at full resonance would be manifested in the 
 
ground circuit of the coil with the elevated capacitance being merely a 
 
sink for the oscillations to occur.  Remember that Tesla said that for 
 
a Tesla coil to do any worthwhile work that there should be no spark or 
 
corona discharge at the upper terminal.  If discharge did occur it is 
 
merely a waste of energy.  Norm
 
 
 On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Doug 
 What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage? With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch. If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be able to harvest the maximum energy. Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave detector, for consideration. Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed. This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and commutators, and heats up power tools. We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to another, with permanent magnet DC motors. The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder as it runs. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Hi Warren
 Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be  frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the "scientific  purpose".....
 As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump  resistance.load as is shown in figure drawings)
 And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector  caps, .
 and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load (and only discharged to resistive load when  isolated and independent and disconnected more or less from the system or circuit that filled these caps)
 now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also  there becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
 Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill they again change the ferroresonance or  resonance "parameters" of primary system that fills caps.
 My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause hypernringing  within coil and gives you simulation of resonant condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
 Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,  at.voltage peak periods.
 Kone
 
       
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  #yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781 -- #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp #yiv5218285781hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp #yiv5218285781ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp .yiv5218285781ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp .yiv5218285781ad p {margin:0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mkp .yiv5218285781ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ygrp-lc #yiv5218285781hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ygrp-lc .yiv5218285781ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781activity span .yiv5218285781underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 dd.yiv5218285781last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 dd.yiv5218285781last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 dd.yiv5218285781last p span.yiv5218285781yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781file-title a, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781file-title a:active, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781file-title a:hover, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781photo-title a, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781photo-title a:active, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781photo-title a:hover, #yiv5218285781 div.yiv5218285781photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 div#yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg #yiv5218285781ygrp-msg p a span.yiv5218285781yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv5218285781 o {font-size:0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv5218285781 .yiv5218285781replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv5218285781 input, #yiv5218285781 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv5218285781 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-mlmsg #yiv5218285781logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-msg p#yiv5218285781attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-reco #yiv5218285781reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-sponsor #yiv5218285781ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv5218285781 #yiv5218285781ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv5218285781

put a reverse diode in the open contact leaf wire ends  use DC to operate ...

see the difference ....

(H)
 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Norman Do you at this time still have access to one of these buzzers?
 They can't be rocket science to make one from scratch if necessary. I bought a vintage model T coil a few weeks ago for $15 , a device that incorporates a buzzer as part of the spark circuit, to activate the inductor.
 Cheers Warren
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 at 7:56 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   
 A biblical saying, Genesis One, Let there be light and the light shown brightly in the firmament!  Ok!  Lets go back to the very beginning with the my buzzer and Hectors Coil Banger and Joel's COILBACK experiments.   See: Neutral Spike doc. 
 
 This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.   
 

 Schematic:
 

 Oh!  BTW, If you are well insulated from a ground source, you can hold the  metal frame of the buzzer and not get a shock.  If you are earth grounded and touch the metal frame while buzzing you will get the approximately 2000VAC.  The relationship is between the iron and the earth ground.  Remember that a 120VAC to 24 VAC step down transformer secondary winding is isolated from earth ground (That is how isolation transformers work).

 =================
   Message 4577                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44
   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
   To     : ALL
   Subject: Neutral Spike
   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
   Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the source of
   the NEUTRAL SPIKE.  I was working in a  nursing home installing some simple
   buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the sound level
   of the audio  output (the loudness of the buzz) when I  got  a  shock  that
   nearly took me  right off the ladder.  Now this buzzer is powered by 24V AC
   and you can't get a shock out of 24VAC  but  when  you  consider  the SPIKE
   PHENOMENON it is awesome.  This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.  I suggest all that are interested in
   duplicating the following  experiment,  go  to your local electrical supply
   house and get this particular model for  it has features that are ideal for
   the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES.  This buzzer is  constructed so as
   both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid steel (not
   laminated) core is  grounded  to  the frame or metal case.  The solid steel
   core is of  very  mild  steel  which  aggravates  the  production  of  spike
   potential.  Remember I  said you need to think backwards?  Yes  we  want  a
   magnetic core which  has  the most horrible spike producing characteristics.
   If there is an engineer out there who  could  suggest an ideal material for
   this application, by  all  means  speak  up  for  I would  love  input  and
   participation in this  project.   I brought home a new buzzer and hooked it
   up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformer  and  attached  my multi-meter
   (Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the case  of the buzzer and
   used the red  lead to test the potential on the two buzzer terminals.  With
   24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the iron core
   of the buzzer.  What is interesting  is  the  fact  that with the adjusting
   screw I could  vary  the voltage output by changing the  frequency  of  the
   buzzer contacts. Now  to  build  a  similar  device  that will enable me to
   explore a possible  resonant  region   that   may  exist  related  to  this
   phenomenon.  I am willing to bet that there will prove  to  be  a  definite
   relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray capacitance that
   may be involved in the simple circuit.  Therefore I will be looking for a
   point of resonance  that  will maximize the spike output.  Before the TESLA
   COIL builders out there jump in and say  it is a simple voltage multiplying
   based on impedance ratio,  well I only have one coil (no secondary).  Joel,
   put that in  your  pipe  and smoke it a while and see  if  you  can  see  a
   solution other than magnetic constricting as you described earlier in one
   of you messages.   If  a  saturating  magnetic  flux  is  driving electrons
   directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here since this
   whole planet is             practically              iron.             NORM
   ===========================================================================
   Message 4583                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07
   From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
   To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
   Subject: Negative Spike
                                      Page 1
  
  
  
  
   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
   Hi Norm,
   Count on me  for confirmation of this.  About the same time that I uploaded
   COILBAK, I also  uploaded COILUNIT,  which  is  a  12VDC  relay,  energized
   through its normally   closed  contacts,  so  that  it   would   open/close
   continuously at very  close  to  its aggregate resonance, just like the old
   vibrators that they used in car radios  to  produce  AC for the vacuum tube
   radios.  They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to death,
   but they usually outlasted the warranty.  Anyway, COILUNIT  produces  those
   same high negative  spikes,  and  when  connected to a rechargeable battery,
   once the battery accepts the spikes,  the  terminal  voltage stops falling,
   and the voltage  stabilizes.  This is how the Dutch inventor  got  so  many
   miles on his electric motorcycle.  Anyway, it is subject to mechanical time
   delays, so it  is  not  an  above-unity device, which leads to the "cranky"
   semiconductors that Woody spoke of, and  which  COILBAK  depends upon.  The
   spikes are exactly as you describe.  Thanks again, my friend.
   Joel
   ===========================================================================
   Message 4585                                   DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55
   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
   To     : ALL
   Subject: Negative Spike
   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
   To all out there who may want to experiment with the generation  of neutral
   spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the ground" or
   neutral to get  a  handle  on  the  spikes  coming  out  of  the  iron.  In
   electrical circles this is a "NO NO" because  electrical engineers consider
   spikes as a  nuisance  and  bothersome  output that they  try  to  totally
   suppress because of it's  destructive  properties.  Since the voltages go off
   the scale and sometimes have current magnitudes  that they elect not to deal
   with they simply  install  varistors and such devices to  effectively  take
   this unwanted energy  to  earth  ground.  Our objective is to conserve all
   this energy and put it to some use.   My  advice  is  just  be careful when
   dealing with any  electrical device  on  which you are working  that  has  a
   floating neutral or earth ground. Norm
   On 8/4/2018 10:08 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Norm,
 I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to the neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed however you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and Hector mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp neutral spike event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the rotoverter require the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a buzzer when I was a kid that would do something similar if one touched the switching relay but found one a few months back looked the same but does nothing.  I remember that buzzer being fearsome with only a little battery as it felt like a 220 shock with current.

 SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.
 

 
 On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both magnetic and electric charge!

 
 On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Norm,
 Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?
 
 On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm

 Neutral Spike
  
 ===============================================================================
  
 Message 4126                                   DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 23:54
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 To     : ALL
 Subject: Neutral Spike
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
   OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that 
 has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world 
 experience and not just idle thinking.  In my day-to-day work I deal 
 with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large start 
 and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment etc.  
 On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely high 
 voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start 
 this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition.  What I 
 am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact 
 that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all 
 electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the 
 line or the earth ground bonding.  I have seen motors nearby that are 
 turned off actually run backwards.  Since these motors were of shaded 
 pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is 
 responsible for this phenomenon, that is “negative electricity”. The shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design 
 unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or 
 some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it backwards.  
 Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact 
 that large switches and contactors have their contacts either 
 completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high 
 voltage carried over relatively small wires.  What is going on here has 
 been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he 
 said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique 
 element that has 2 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can 
 be bounced free for use only to be replenished from the ether.  He stated that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of steel to take advantage of this unique feature of iron.  Dr. Tewari,in his book "Beyond Mater" brings out the same fact and is the heart of the famed "N Machine".  The best source of an insight as to how this works is found in Dr. Harold Aspden's presentation to the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's Energy Future".  In this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring an iron mass to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax.  A release of ZPE or ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron.  Yule Brown says it best, "We should think everything backwards in this field of free energy".  The backwards thinking comes into play in the fact that when the free electrons in the M shell of the iron atoms are freed they flow out of the iron itself therefore are present in the neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and not in the hot or supply side of the conventional circuit.  When you excite atoms to a high electron state and allow them to return to ground state they release photons of energy but retain their original energy levels with no degradation therefore the energy that was lost by photon emission has been replaced from space vacuum or ZPE.  The key to releasing the 2 free electrons in each iron atom is in the degree of magnetic saturation that occurs in our device design.  I have read several papers in the Keely files that incorporate magnetic saturation of iron in the basic design of the device such as the Gray Motor that used bucking opposing magnetic fields to pop the iron electrons free.  The error most researchers are making is that they are looking for the energy manifestation to occur in the conductors associated with the design but should be looking at the ground or earth bond side of the circuit. All electric motors have a bonding or ground wire attached to the iron stator which in most cases is the neutral side of the input line.  I hope that this input to the free energy puzzle will prompt some massage of gray matter and maybe we can build the future machine we have all been looking for.  Norm
 ===============================================================================
 ===============================================================================
  
 Message 4128                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 09:02
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 To     : ALL
 Subject: Neutral Spike
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
   Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes or ZPE 
 occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil that is so 
 popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce.  Tesla 
 said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not produce 
 sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance. ???????? 
 Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it 
 occurring?  Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of 
 designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the 
 earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to 
 produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of 
 the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the 
 earth.  I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not 
 one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons 
 directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had planed to 
 use at Wardencliff, Long Island.  If you read carefully such documents 
 as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find clearly 
 stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this conductor 
 must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of earth 
 pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free 
 resonance.  He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a coil 
 with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire.   Well I might 
 be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping 
 to me.  Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this phenomenon 
 to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is operated at 
 full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant 
 power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ.  I say approximately for I don't 
 think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant 
 frequency as of yet.  This figure is close enough for government work 
 at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure.  I 
 belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed 
 the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers.  
 Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise detail.  I 
 have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input from 
 the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the 
 basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some 
 meaningful input.  Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths 
 of this KeelyNet.  Your friend Norm.
 ===============================================================================
  
 Message 4129                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:40
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
 To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
 Subject: (R) Neutral Spike
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
 Hi Norm!  EXCELLENT cubed!!!
 The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication 
 system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be 
 modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this 
 instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater speaker/microphone for 
 those who don't know what a hydrophone is).
 Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up 
 like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency 
 (around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one wants 
 to use) of the Earth.  The waves of this energetically vibrating 
 planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys.  By tuning to 
 this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus 
 tap the energy.  I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs 
 experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site 
 complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they 
 walked.  This is what made me regard the Earth as power source 
 experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have 
 now, it just would destroy everything...
 However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative 
 force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person.
 Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a 
 treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy???  
 Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I 
 think you are more down to earth with the 2 electron 
 description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the 
 optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or 
 calculation.  
 You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the 
 deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth has 
 shells of varying power densities.  
 But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>>  
 Jerry
 ===============================================================================
 ===============================================================================
  
 Message 4147                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:20
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
 To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
 Subject: Ground Spikes
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
 Hi Norm,
 I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side of the 
 line, because spikes which originate there can blow both wiring and xfmrs.
 I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked, 
 before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high DC in 
 capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor.  It 
 was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work.
 Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and 
 then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, because elec. 
 timers run fast in the tachyon field.  I've seen that, even with my 
 little coil.  Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and 
 boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires.
 We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller scale, 
 to get earth resonance.
 CUL
 Joel
 ===============================================================================
 ===============================================================================
  
 Message 4150                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 10:54
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
 To     : ALL
 Subject: Neutral Spike
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
 Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I 
 probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related 
 documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years.  Yes 
 I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ power 
 wave.  Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very 
 interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification so as 
 to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the elevated 
 terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful 
 8HZ sine wave by the use of a large 

(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

You guys see how mean Hector is being must of got in to some cane sugar rum
.the news says he's bearing down on  Hawaii making a pest of him self
scaring the locals ! He need to dry out .
On Aug 6, 2018 10:30 PM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> put a reverse diode in the open contact leaf wire ends  use DC to operate
> ...
>
> see the difference ....
>
> (H)
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :
>
> Norman
> Do you at this time still have access to one of these buzzers?
> They can't be rocket science to make one from scratch if necessary. I
> bought a vintage model T coil a few weeks ago for $15 , a device that
> incorporates a buzzer as part of the spark circuit, to activate the
> inductor.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2018 at 7:56 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> A biblical saying, Genesis One, Let there be light and the light shown
> brightly in the firmament!  Ok!  Lets go back to the very beginning with
> the my buzzer and Hectors Coil Banger and Joel's COILBACK experiments.
> See: Neutral Spike doc.
>
> This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a LUNGEN
>   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.
>
> [image: alt]
>
>
> Schematic:
>
>
> [image: alt]Oh!  BTW, If you are well insulated from a ground source, you
> can hold the  metal frame of the buzzer and not get a shock.  If you are
> earth grounded and touch the metal frame while buzzing you will get the
> approximately 2000VAC.  The relationship is between the iron and the earth
> ground.  Remember that a 120VAC to 24 VAC step down transformer secondary
> winding is isolated from earth ground (That is how isolation transformers
> work).
>
> =================
>
>   Message 4577                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 20:44
>
>   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   To     : ALL
>
>   Subject: Neutral Spike
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
>   Today I found an elegant and simple way to prove my theory on the
> source of
>
>   the NEUTRAL SPIKE.  I was working in a  nursing home installing some
> simple
>
>   buzzers on the door alarm system and was testing and tuning the sound
> level
>
>   of the audio  output (the loudness of the buzz) when I  got  a  shock
> that
>
>   nearly took me  right off the ladder.  Now this buzzer is powered by
> 24V AC
>
>   and you can't get a shock out of 24VAC  but  when  you  consider  the
> SPIKE
>
>   PHENOMENON it is awesome.  This buzzer is made by EDWARDS,  called  a
> LUNGEN
>
>   BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ.  I suggest all that are
> interested in
>
>   duplicating the following  experiment,  go  to your local electrical
> supply
>
>   house and get this particular model for  it has features that are ideal
> for
>
>   the purpose of producing NEUTRAL SPIKES.  This buzzer is  constructed
> so as
>
>   both sides of the 24V AC is floating (insulated) with the solid steel
> (not
>
>   laminated) core is  grounded  to  the frame or metal case.  The solid
> steel
>
>   core is of  very  mild  steel  which  aggravates  the  production  of
> spike
>
>   potential.  Remember I  said you need to think backwards?  Yes  we  want
> a
>
>   magnetic core which  has  the most horrible spike producing
> characteristics.
>
>   If there is an engineer out there who  could  suggest an ideal material
> for
>
>   this application, by  all  means  speak  up  for  I would  love  input
> and
>
>   participation in this  project.   I brought home a new buzzer and
> hooked it
>
>   up to a standard 24V AC step-down transformer  and  attached  my
> multi-meter
>
>   (Fluke 87)meter with one lead (black ground) to the case  of the buzzer
> and
>
>   used the red  lead to test the potential on the two buzzer terminals.
> With
>
>   24V AC running the buzzer I measured over 2000V coming out of the iron
> core
>
>   of the buzzer.  What is interesting  is  the  fact  that with the
> adjusting
>
>   screw I could  vary  the voltage output by changing the  frequency  of
> the
>
>   buzzer contacts. Now  to  build  a  similar  device  that will enable
> me to
>
>   explore a possible  resonant  region   that   may  exist  related  to
> this
>
>   phenomenon.  I am willing to bet that there will prove  to  be  a
> definite
>
>   relationship to inductance/impedance of the coil and stray capacitance
> that
>
>   may be involved in the simple circuit.  Therefore I will be looking for
> a
>
>   point of resonance  that  will maximize the spike output.  Before the
> TESLA
>
>   COIL builders out there jump in and say  it is a simple voltage
> multiplying
>
>   based on impedance ratio,  well I only have one coil (no secondary).
> Joel,
>
>   put that in  your  pipe  and smoke it a while and see  if  you  can  see
> a
>
>   solution other than magnetic constricting as you described earlier in
> one
>
>   of you messages.   If  a  saturating  magnetic  flux  is  driving
> electrons
>
>   directly out of the iron atoms then visualize the potential here since
> this
>
>   whole planet is             practically              iron.
> NORM
>
>   ============================================================
> ===============
>
>   Message 4583                                   DATE/TIME: 01/26/94 23:07
>
>   From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
>
>   To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   Subject: Negative Spike
>
>                                      Page 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
>   Hi Norm,
>
>   Count on me  for confirmation of this.  About the same time that I
> uploaded
>
>   COILBAK, I also  uploaded COILUNIT,  which  is  a  12VDC  relay,
> energized
>
>   through its normally   closed  contacts,  so  that  it   would
> open/close
>
>   continuously at very  close  to  its aggregate resonance, just like the
> old
>
>   vibrators that they used in car radios  to  produce  AC for the vacuum
> tube
>
>   radios.  They never lasted too long as they would beat themselves to
> death,
>
>   but they usually outlasted the warranty.  Anyway, COILUNIT  produces
> those
>
>   same high negative  spikes,  and  when  connected to a rechargeable
> battery,
>
>   once the battery accepts the spikes,  the  terminal  voltage stops
> falling,
>
>   and the voltage  stabilizes.  This is how the Dutch inventor  got  so
> many
>
>   miles on his electric motorcycle.  Anyway, it is subject to mechanical
> time
>
>   delays, so it  is  not  an  above-unity device, which leads to the
> "cranky"
>
>   semiconductors that Woody spoke of, and  which  COILBAK  depends upon.
> The
>
>   spikes are exactly as you describe.  Thanks again, my friend.
>
>   Joel
>
>   ============================================================
> ===============
>
>   Message 4585                                   DATE/TIME: 01/27/94 07:55
>
>   From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
>   To     : ALL
>
>   Subject: Negative Spike
>
>   Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
>   To all out there who may want to experiment with the generation  of
> neutral
>
>   spike energy,please be advised that to do so you must "float the
> ground" or
>
>   neutral to get  a  handle  on  the  spikes  coming  out  of  the  iron.
> In
>
>   electrical circles this is a "NO NO" because  electrical engineers
> consider
>
>   spikes as a  nuisance  and  bothersome  output that they  try  to
> totally
>
>   suppress because of it's  destructive  properties.  Since the voltages
> go off
>
>   the scale and sometimes have current magnitudes  that they elect not to
> deal
>
>   with they simply  install  varistors and such devices to  effectively
> take
>
>   this unwanted energy  to  earth  ground.  Our objective is to conserve
> all
>
>   this energy and put it to some use.   My  advice  is  just  be careful
> when
>
>   dealing with any  electrical device  on  which you are working  that
> has  a
>
>   floating neutral or earth ground. Norm
>
> On 8/4/2018 10:08 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to the
> neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed however
> you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and Hector mentions
> it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp neutral spike event.  I
> don't recall that either the buzzer or the rotoverter require the bonded
> ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a buzzer when I was a kid that would
> do something similar if one touched the switching relay but found one a few
> months back looked the same but does nothing.  I remember that buzzer being
> fearsome with only a little battery as it felt like a 220 shock with
> current.
>
> SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike would
> denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to have a
> similar effect when decoupled from ground.
>
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not understand!
> There have been two different scenarios with my bench top simulation of the
> Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was successfully created.  The
> last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that uses both start and run
> capacitors needed to create the effect. Go back and review the whole setup
> that I have posted to the group several times.  The iron motor frame was
> bonded to a 10 ft. ground stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the
> motor was 2 ea. 8ga. conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase
> hook up). When an adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current
> relay would drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated
> condition since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the earth
> bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation involved. In both
> cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both magnetic flux and
> electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP (Neutral Spike when the
> stored energy was cancelled.   The very first encounter was with the little
> 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same effect as the big experiment. That
> case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18 ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an
> earth green bonding wire involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a
> double pole reversing switch which caused the isolation of the run
> capacitor when the switch was in transition from forward run to reverse,
> the EMP shot was created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of
> charge, both magnetic and electric charge!
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground
> involved?
>
> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit
> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero in on
> the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid state will not
> survive the environment, just use the circuits to control hard tubes like
> the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto tracking circuits can be made
> to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same
> circuit can auto target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters
> needed.  Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!
> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP
> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay which
> was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super
> saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230
> VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no
> ground reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and
> 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral
> Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
>
> Neutral Spike
>
>
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
>
>
> Message 4126                                   DATE/TIME: 01/07/94 23:54
>
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
> To     : ALL
>
> Subject: Neutral Spike
>
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
>   OK folks let's start some real controversy for I have a theory that
>
> has been bothering me for a long time and is based on real world
>
> experience and not just idle thinking.  In my day-to-day work I deal
>
> with rather large electric motors of the type that utilize large start
>
> and run capacitors such as is found in air conditioning equipment etc.
>
> On many occasions I have witnessed these motors release extremely high
>
> voltage and high amperage pulses or spikes whenever we try to start
>
> this type of motor in a locked or semi-locked rotor condition.  What I
>
> am going to describe is the controversial point and that is the fact
>
> that the observed high voltage spike that is very destructive to all
>
> electronic equipment is actually coming from the neutral side of the
>
> line or the earth ground bonding.  I have seen motors nearby that are
>
> turned off actually run backwards.  Since these motors were of shaded
>
> pole design this suggest that a very unusual form of electricity is
>
> responsible for this phenomenon, that is “negative electricity”. The
> shaded pole motor can only run one direction based on it's design
>
> unless you provide extra shading windings to provide for reversal or
>
> some other phenomenon such as negative current could run it backwards.
>
> Another clue as to the presence of negative electricity is the fact
>
> that large switches and contactors have their contacts either
>
> completely destroyed or welded together by large currents at high
>
> voltage carried over relatively small wires.  What is going on here has
>
> been eluded to by many researchers in the past such as Tesla when he
>
> said that the key to free energy was in IRON for it was a unique
>
> element that has 2 free electrons in the M shell of the atom that can
>
> be bounced free for use only to be replenished from the ether.  He stated
> that a free energy device would be based on a fine grade of steel to take
> advantage of this unique feature of iron.  Dr. Tewari,in his book "Beyond
> Mater" brings out the same fact and is the heart of the famed "N Machine".
> The best source of an insight as to how this works is found in Dr. Harold
> Aspden's presentation to the IANS Conference of 1993 titled "The World's
> Energy Future".  In this paper Aspden outlines what occurs when you bring
> an iron mass to magnetic saturation and allow it to relax.  A release of
> ZPE or ZERO POINT ENERGY comes out of the iron.  Yule Brown says it best,
> "We should think everything backwards in this field of free energy".  The
> backwards thinking comes into play in the fact that when the free electrons
> in the M shell of the iron atoms are freed they flow out of the iron itself
> therefore are present in the neutral or earth bond side of the circuit and
> not in the hot or supply side of the conventional circuit.  When you
> excite atoms to a high electron state and allow them to return to ground
> state they release photons of energy but retain their original energy
> levels with no degradation therefore the energy that was lost by photon
> emission has been replaced from space vacuum or ZPE.  The key to
> releasing the 2 free electrons in each iron atom is in the degree of
> magnetic saturation that occurs in our device design.  I have read
> several papers in the Keely files that incorporate magnetic saturation of
> iron in the basic design of the device such as the Gray Motor that used
> bucking opposing magnetic fields to pop the iron electrons free.  The
> error most researchers are making is that they are looking for the energy
> manifestation to occur in the conductors associated with the design but
> should be looking at the ground or earth bond side of the circuit. All
> electric motors have a bonding or ground wire attached to the iron stator
> which in most cases is the neutral side of the input line.  I hope that
> this input to the free energy puzzle will prompt some massage of gray
> matter and maybe we can build the future machine we have all been looking
> for.  Norm
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
>
>
> Message 4128                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 09:02
>
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
> To     : ALL
>
> Subject: Neutral Spike
>
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
>   Now for some additional notes on the subject of neutral spikes or ZPE
>
> occurrences let's look at the all too familiar Tesla coil that is so
>
> popular because of the splendid fireworks display they produce.  Tesla
>
> said that in order to do effective work a large coil should not produce
>
> sparking or a corona discharge about the elevated capacitance. ????????
>
> Your immediate response is, have is the work taped and where is it
>
> occurring?  Well Mr. Tesla clearly stated that the whole purpose of
>
> designing a device that would operate at full free resonance at the
>
> earth natural frequency of 7.83 HZ (he used 8 HZ in his day) was to
>
> produce a power wave that would pump electrons directly in and out of
>
> the earth via a deep grounding system that was firmly attached to the
>
> earth.  I have talked to many tesla coil builders and have found not
>
> one who was interested in exploring the ZPE pumping of electrons
>
> directly in and out of a deep earth ground such as Tesla had planed to
>
> use at Wardencliff, Long Island.  If you read carefully such documents
>
> as D.C. Cox "Modern Resonance Transformer Design" you will find clearly
>
> stated that a deep or good earth ground is necessary and this conductor
>
> must be a cable of substantial size for a considerable current of earth
>
> pumped electrons does occur when the coil is operating at full free
>
> resonance.  He states that if an attempt is made to earth ground a coil
>
> with zip cord it will result in a burned up ground wire.   Well I might
>
> be dense or otherwise afflicted but this sure sounds like ZPE tapping
>
> to me.  Why can't Tesla coil builders out there explore this phenomenon
>
> to determine the over-unity aspects of a Tesla coil that is operated at
>
> full resonance and better yet modulate one to get an earth resonant
>
> power wave of approximately 7.83 HZ.  I say approximately for I don't
>
> think anyone has successfully nailed down the exact earth resonant
>
> frequency as of yet.  This figure is close enough for government work
>
> at this time or until someone comes up with a more precise figure.  I
>
> belabor the point for out there lies those who will say, "You missed
>
> the freq by .01 HZ", You know them as pain in the ass nit-pickers.
>
> Keep the focus on the over-unity aspects and not on precise detail.  I
>
> have tossed this out on the table of debate so as to prompt input from
>
> the many out there who have taken the well spent time to study the
>
> basic Tesla coil designs parameters and can give us back some
>
> meaningful input.  Let's hear or read some feed-back from the depths
>
> of this KeelyNet.  Your friend Norm.
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
>
>
> Message 4129                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 10:40
>
> From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
>
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
> Subject: (R) Neutral Spike
>
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
> Hi Norm!  EXCELLENT cubed!!!
>
> The grounding is similar to what the Rogers underground communication
>
> system says must happen...that an energy is inside the planet and be
>
> modulated just like slapping the surface of water, except in this
>
> instance it's more like a hydrophone (underwater speaker/microphone for
>
> those who don't know what a hydrophone is).
>
> Anyway, as I understood Tesla, he said the Earth could be pumped up
>
> like a large capacitor and it was done at the resonant frequency
>
> (around 8HZ, depending on which version of the Schumann peaks one wants
>
> to use) of the Earth.  The waves of this energetically vibrating
>
> planetary capacitor would thus form peaks and valleys.  By tuning to
>
> this frequency and adjusting so the phase was matched, one could thus
>
> tap the energy.  I was always puzzled by the Colorado Springs
>
> experiment where farmers and citizens for miles from the site
>
> complained of drawing arcs from the ground to their feet as they
>
> walked.  This is what made me regard the Earth as power source
>
> experiments irrelevant, i.e. because with all the electronics we have
>
> now, it just would destroy everything...
>
> However, your premise that iron is the secret to tapping the negative
>
> force flow makes sense in many ways which we can discuss in person.
>
> Interesting that some of the UFO reports said Earth was considered a
>
> treasure house BECAUSE OF IRON...a rare element in the galaxy???
>
> Perhaps Iron has the relaxation effect Bearden writes about, but I
>
> think you are more down to earth with the 2 electron
>
> description...something we can measure and work with NOW, until the
>
> optimum relaxation time material shows up through experiment or
>
> calculation.
>
> You know, Moray's device also required a very long ANTENNA and the
>
> deeper the ground, the more power he could tap...perhaps the earth has
>
> shells of varying power densities.
>
> But your message is definitely worthy of conversion to a file....>>>
>
> Jerry
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
>
>
> Message 4147                                   DATE/TIME: 01/08/94 22:20
>
> From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
>
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
> Subject: Ground Spikes
>
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> I used to live in Spain, and there, they ground the NEUTRAL side of the
>
> line, because spikes which originate there can blow both wiring and xfmrs.
>
> I think that you are asking the same questions which Ed Gray asked,
>
> before he used the inductive spikes from low DC to charge to high DC in
>
> capacitors, and discharge to drive his patented over-unity motor.  It
>
> was how the coilbak was designed to work, based on Ed Gray's work.
>
> Tesla first had to convert his output to sine wave, no easy task, and
>
> then use a mechanical pendulum to modulate it at 8Hz, because elec.
>
> timers run fast in the tachyon field.  I've seen that, even with my
>
> little coil.  Having done that, however, he could resonate earth and
>
> boost his output, as well as transmit power without wires.
>
> We "little Teslas" would have to do the same thing, on a smaller scale,
>
> to get earth resonance.
>
> CUL
>
> Joel
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
> ============================================================
> ===================
>
>
>
> Message 4150                                   DATE/TIME: 01/09/94 10:54
>
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>
> To     : ALL
>
> Subject: Neutral Spike
>
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>
>
> Joel: read your reply and wish to clarify a few points such as I
>
> probably have in my library the largest collection of Tesla related
>
> documentation for I have been studying him for the last 10 years.  Yes
>
> I am fully aware of how Tesla modulated his coil to get the 8 HZ power
>
> wave.  Kovack in the ESJ article back in Sept. brought up some very
>
> interesting ideas about high voltage and high freq rectification so as
>
> to provide a ultra high voltage DC electrostatic charge in the elevated
>
> terminal capacitance that could easily be converted into a beautiful
>
> 8HZ sine wave by the use of a large
>
> (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
>
> 
>

Warren, You asked about a source for this buzzer! 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Edwards-15-1G5-Rectangular-Miniature-Buzzer-24-Volt-AC-/362408584542?hash=item54613c255e


On 8/5/2018 6:56 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> EDWARDS,calleda LUNGEN
>
> BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Heath-Zenith-Wired-Door-Chime-Transformer/915867596?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=16552&adid=22222222228140373500&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=250924908876&wl4=pla-411860738110&wl5=9025242&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=120801441&wl11=online&wl12=915867596&wl13=&veh=sem   This 24VAC transformer is from WalMart and will do just fine.   On these little step down transformers, the secondary is 24VAC and has an isolated winding that is no reference to ground neutral. Primary is  L-1 120VAC and a neutral ground.  The trick to making the buzzer give you the 2000VAC between the iron frame and earth ground is in the fact that when contacts break the the energy is in a float condition.  The reason I got that initial shock was the fact that I was working on a ladder and had my arm resting on the metal wall stud cap plate and holding the iron frame of the buzzer when it was energized.  If you are not grounded, you can hold the buzzer and not get shocked. From the simple schematic you see that the single winding around the soft iron armature is grounded at one end to the metal.  This works just like the Modle T ignition box except it has a HV secondary winding to distributor and plugs.

On 8/8/2018 8:49 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm
>
> That is great!
> I'll get some.
> Now, as if you were explaining to a child, how do you hook it up to 
> make the magic?
> This might be a good group project we can all do.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 8:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren, You asked about a source for this buzzer!
>     https://www.ebay.com/itm/Edwards-15-1G5-Rectangular-Miniature-Buzzer-24-Volt-AC-/362408584542?hash=item54613c255e
>
>
>     On 8/5/2018 6:56 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>>     EDWARDS,calleda LUNGEN
>>
>>     BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ
>
>

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQY88I?tag=amz-mkt-fox-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-a0049-win10-dsk00-nomod-us000-pcomp-feature-pcomp-wm-6&ref=aa_pcomp_aapi1 
Amazon offering!     Warren!


On 8/8/2018 9:57 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Heath-Zenith-Wired-Door-Chime-Transformer/915867596?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=16552&adid=22222222228140373500&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=250924908876&wl4=pla-411860738110&wl5=9025242&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=120801441&wl11=online&wl12=915867596&wl13=&veh=sem   This 24VAC transformer is from WalMart and will do just fine.   On these little step down transformers, the secondary is 24VAC and has an isolated winding that is no reference to ground neutral. Primary is  L-1 120VAC and a neutral ground.  The trick to making the buzzer give you the 2000VAC between the iron frame and earth ground is in the fact that when contacts break the the energy is in a float condition.  The reason I got that initial shock was the fact that I was working on a ladder and had my arm resting on the metal wall stud cap plate and holding the iron frame of the buzzer when it was energized.  If you are not grounded, you can hold the buzzer and not get shocked. From the simple schematic you see that the single winding around the soft iron armature is grounded at one end to the metal.  This works just like the Modle T ignition box except it has a HV secondary winding to distributor and plugs.
>
> On 8/8/2018 8:49 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> That is great!
>> I'll get some.
>> Now, as if you were explaining to a child, how do you hook it up to 
>> make the magic?
>> This might be a good group project we can all do.
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 8:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Warren, You asked about a source for this buzzer!
>>     https://www.ebay.com/itm/Edwards-15-1G5-Rectangular-Miniature-Buzzer-24-Volt-AC-/362408584542?hash=item54613c255e
>>
>>
>>     On 8/5/2018 6:56 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>>     EDWARDS,calleda LUNGEN
>>>
>>>     BUZZER, CAT. NO 15-2G5 24 V AC 60 HZ
>>
>> 
>

Empty body