Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: [EVGRAY] Low Lenz in plain sight

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Norm,

I am investigating the return strike from lightening in relation to the
neutral spike.  The two experiments you just mention are earthed however
you mention the neutral spike from a door buzzer also and Hector
mentions it in relation to the rotoverter creating an emp neutral spike
event.  I don't recall that either the buzzer or the rotoverter require
the bonded ground or a grounded neutral.   I had a buzzer when I was a
kid that would do something similar if one touched the switching relay
but found one a few months back looked the same but does nothing.  I
remember that buzzer being fearsome with only a little battery as it
felt like a 220 shock with current.

SO this distinction I ask to be clarified as the term neutral spike
would denote a connection to ground but some of these devices seem to
have a similar effect when decoupled from ground.



On 8/3/2018 3:22 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick!  I really do not understand what it is that you do not
> understand!   There have been two different scenarios with my bench
> top simulation of the Neutral Spike experiment where the effect was
> successfully created.  The last one was with a 5HP A/C compressor that
> uses both start and run capacitors needed to create the effect. Go
> back and review the whole setup that I have posted to the group
> several times.  The iron motor frame was bonded to a 10 ft. ground
> stake (EARTH BOND).  The 230VAC supply to the motor was 2 ea. 8ga.
> conductors (L-1& L-2) with no neutral (single phase hook up). When an
> adjustable (locked rotor current detector)  over current relay would
> drop out L-1 & L-2 supply to motor leaving it in an isolated condition
> since there was no neutral in schematic. You have a magnetically
> saturated motor and charged capacitors that are separated from the
> earth bonded metal frame via the dielectric in the insulation
> involved. In both cases, I found that the isolation of charge (both
> magnetic flux and electric via capacitors (45mfd) created the EMP
> (Neutral Spike when the stored energy was cancelled.   The very first
> encounter was with the little 1/6 HP fan motor that created the same
> effect as the big experiment. That case there was a zip cord (3 ea. 18
> ga. conductors)  L-1 ,a neutral and an earth green bonding wire
> involved.  Due to a Chinese worker miss wiring a double pole reversing
> switch which caused the isolation of the run capacitor when the switch
> was in transition from forward run to reverse, the EMP shot was
> created.  The whole thing is summed up with isolation of charge, both
> magnetic and electric charge!
>
>
> On 8/3/2018 10:07 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norm,
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>> Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground
>> involved?
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>> On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit
>>> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to
>>> zero in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since
>>> solid state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits
>>> to control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting. 
>>> Auto tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the
>>> ferroresonance phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto
>>> target the values needed to capture the circuit parameters needed. 
>>> Just my two cents thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar! 
>>> Lol   PS: Doug, I like the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP
>>> compressor locked rotor experiment, I used a simple overload relay
>>> which was set for drop out at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave
>>> me the super saturation of the motor iron when the 2 pole single
>>> phase contactor (230 VAC) opened thus leaving the whole shebang in
>>> an isolated condition (no ground reference). When the isolated
>>> energy (magnetic saturated iron and 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the
>>> EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral Spike.   Your thinking is
>>> right on!   Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>> Doug 
>>>>
>>>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>>>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>>>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should
>>>> be able to harvest the maximum energy.
>>>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave
>>>> detector, for consideration.
>>>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the
>>>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>>>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and
>>>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>>>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another
>>>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to
>>>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>>>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there
>>>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder
>>>> as it runs.
>>>> Cheers Warren
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>>>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>     Hi Warren
>>>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance
>>>>     and also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be
>>>>     frequency, capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there
>>>>     is the fourth dimension overlooked which is extraction of this
>>>>     energy, not just the observation or prediction of it or the
>>>>     cancelling or avoidance of it which usually seems to be the
>>>>     "scientific purpose".....
>>>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>>>     caps, .
>>>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive
>>>>     load (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters"
>>>>     of primary system that fills caps.
>>>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction
>>>>     and that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in
>>>>     magnitude.
>>>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
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