Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: [EVGRAY] Low Lenz in plain sight

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Norm,

Can you define the neutral spike with and without the earth ground involved?


On 7/31/2018 5:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Doug & Warren, I love your thinking process for designing a circuit
> (Ardino ?)  that rapidly tracks the capacitance values needed to zero
> in on the targeted frequency for hard ferroresonance.  Since solid
> state will not survive the environment, just use the circuits to
> control hard tubes like the thyratron do do the heavy lifting.  Auto
> tracking circuits can be made to mitigate (avoid) the ferroresonance
> phenomenon, therefore the same circuit can auto target the values
> needed to capture the circuit parameters needed.  Just my two cents
> thrown in, soon we will have a whole $dollar!  Lol   PS: Doug, I like
> the Fuck it, just Short Circuit!   On my 5 HP compressor locked rotor
> experiment, I used a simple overload relay which was set for drop out
> at locked rotor amps (82 amps) which gave me the super saturation of
> the motor iron when the 2 pole single phase contactor (230 VAC) opened
> thus leaving the whole shebang in an isolated condition (no ground
> reference). When the isolated energy (magnetic saturated iron and
> 45mfd caps) cancelled, I got the EMP shot in the earth ground, Neutral
> Spike.   Your thinking is right on!   Norm
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> On 7/31/2018 6:22 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Doug 
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>> What is the cheapest, simplest, detector for peak voltage?
>> With such a detector, the signal can then close a heavy duty switch.
>> If it can chase the sine wave, where ever it goes, then you should be
>> able to harvest the maximum energy.
>> Detectors: we should make a list of every possible peak since wave
>> detector, for consideration.
>> Switches: relays, electronic, and mechanical methods of closing the
>> circuit at the peak of the since wave, should be also listed.
>> This energy works. We know it is there. It burns out brushes, and
>> commutators, and heats up power tools.
>> We also know we can bleed it off with diodes, to use in yet another
>> motor, and actually see the voltage increase, from one motor to
>> another, with permanent magnet DC motors.
>> The beauty of a solid state transformer based device, is that there
>> are no friction producing parts rubbing together, turning to powder
>> as it runs.
>> Cheers Warren
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>>     On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 12:42 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>     Hi Warren
>>     Just my two pcents but the variables to create ferroresonance and
>>     also resonance let's say in Air coil too, seen to be frequency,
>>     capacitance and inductance....however perhaps there is the fourth
>>     dimension overlooked which is extraction of this energy, not just
>>     the observation or prediction of it or the cancelling or
>>     avoidance of it which usually seems to be the "scientific
>>     purpose".....
>>     As Sven is doing with diode plug exprimemts too,, he is
>>     extracting it into a load ( and not direct lump resistance.load
>>     as is shown in figure drawings)
>>     And so the distribution of the positive or negative energies in
>>     sinewave via running through diodes into what I call collector
>>     caps, .
>>     and only the collector caps see or feel effects of resistive load
>>     (and only discharged to resistive load when isolated and
>>     independent and disconnected more or less from the system or
>>     circuit that filled these caps)
>>     now this brings upon not only the fourth dimension of "means of
>>     extraction" from the "resonant collecting caps" but also there
>>     becomes the fifth dimension of time and timing of how long and
>>     when to fill and discharge the resonant collector caps
>>     Also as caps fill over time, and when they discharge and refill
>>     they again change the ferroresonance or resonance "parameters" of
>>     primary system that fills caps.
>>     My sick plan is to fuck it all, instead SHORT CICUIT
>>     inductorsvery briefly with switch at peak periods, this cause
>>     hypernringing within coil and gives you simulation of resonant
>>     condition since you have same effects you want in extraction and
>>     that is voltage increase into capacitors X 20 or X 50 in magnitude.
>>     Also short can be applied to AC or DC impulse take your
>>     pick...with DC it is done just before saturation, with AC,
>>     at.voltage peak periods.
>>     Kone
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