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On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norman
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>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as
>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using
>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>> Cheers Warren
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>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>> principle!
>>
>> On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>> That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>> designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>> or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>> driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>> that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>> DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>> pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>> the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>> accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>> give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>> (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of
>>> pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.
>>> Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked
>>> out very easily since we can select a time base for the as
>>> natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>>> inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the
>>> neo magnetic gap?? Just because he claims no LENZ effect
>>> does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>>> free. A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>>
>>> On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>> [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>> OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>
>>>> Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>> build a working model.
>>>> I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>> instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>
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>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>> Warren, Iron, Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>> solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>> the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such
>>>> detail. What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>>> coil stator which received a forward going current in
>>>> primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole
>>>> pieces before top dead center which charged up the
>>>> condenser when current reached peak. When breaker
>>>> points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd
>>>> and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current
>>>> in the primary windings and the discharge current from
>>>> the condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>>>> magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>>> represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano
>>>> second response). This was accomplished due to the fact
>>>> that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>>> the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>> incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>> switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>> there is a L-C high Q relationship here. I just threw
>>>> out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>> switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>> mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>> frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>> Oscillator which is driven by DC . Thoughts???
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>> should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>> switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>> I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>> happening in a mysterious
>>>>> "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>> can be confusing.
>>>>> It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>> this subject.
>>>>> Cheers Warren
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot
>>>>> about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>>> reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>> motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>> build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>>> what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>
>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>> found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>> the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose
>>>>> is very simple application of DC motor principles
>>>>> as read from the cited references. First you make
>>>>> your LENZ free motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>>> MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>>> stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>>> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area
>>>>> of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>>> controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>>> give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>>> 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid
>>>>> coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>>> condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light
>>>>> come on yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts
>>>>> out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.
>>>>> Following the DC motor principles as applied to
>>>>> the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>>>> free also. The combo should give an Over-unity
>>>>> output. Now the tricky part! We know as Ole will
>>>>> agree in that when you switch the solenoid power
>>>>> to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>>>>> saturation there will be a huge voltage spike
>>>>> (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not
>>>>> send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
>>>>> switch design (snubber diodes) The capture of the
>>>>> SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>>>>> the over-unity factor here! Interesting concept!
>>>>> Think about it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>> than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>>> noise in the core material as I was no using an
>>>>>> air inductor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>> factor correcting the reactive back into real
>>>>>>> power?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>> any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>> power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>> expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>> transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>> First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>> inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>> active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>>> one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>>> The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>>> load. Reactive power has the energy moving to
>>>>>>> and from the load and power source. The power
>>>>>>> moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>>>> LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss
>>>>>>> because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>>> components and wires.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>> the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>>> factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant
>>>>>>>> knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>> inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>> capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>> inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>> capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>> single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output, increasing
>>>>>>>> the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>>> present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>>> energy input."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>> displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>> voltage which means reactive power. Look at
>>>>>>>> the following small videos to see how one
>>>>>>>> can be misled if not knowing how the phase
>>>>>>>> between the current and voltage is: Only
>>>>>>>> the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>> explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>> explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>> 1:00
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>> like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>> taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>> real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>> Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>> the small active part heating the the wires
>>>>>>>> and other components because of their
>>>>>>>> parasitic resistance. This part caused by
>>>>>>>> current doing work against the resistance
>>>>>>>> is active power and not actually reactive
>>>>>>>> power. This is why the power distributing
>>>>>>>> companies may charge costumers for having
>>>>>>>> high reactive power going through their
>>>>>>>> cables which heats the power lines without
>>>>>>>> transferring active power to their
>>>>>>>> costumers. It's just pure loss because the
>>>>>>>> wires have resistance. Resistance converts
>>>>>>>> electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>> description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>> "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of
>>>>>>>> the present disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>>> bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov.
>>>>>>>> 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>> according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>> FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>> (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>> illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>> light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>> power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>> for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>> measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>> measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA
>>>>>>>> and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>> light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>> measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>> VA is measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>>> approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are
>>>>>>>> also shown for the energy savings for a 75W
>>>>>>>> Bulb."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the apparent power that is increased.
>>>>>>>> The apparent power is the vector sum of the
>>>>>>>> real power and the reactive power which
>>>>>>>> makes it always greater than or equal to
>>>>>>>> the real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Source with description at:
>>>>>>>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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