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On 11/18/2018 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> https://www.greenoptimistic.com/real-working-magnetic-motor/#.W_FVw-JRc2w
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> On 11/18/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_email&hsimp=yhs-pty_email&hspart=pty&p=magnetic+repulsion+motor+fabrication+video#id=3&vid=5997a2a9237c6ddc7bd57c175acbb4cc&action=click
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>> On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as
>>> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using
>>> Ismael's concept, or was it too tricky
>>> Cheers Warren
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>>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate
>>> principle!
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
>>> [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>>>> That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>
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>>>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>>>> designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>>>> or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>>>> driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>>>> that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>>>> DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>>>> pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>>>> the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>>>> accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>>>> give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>>>> (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing
>>>> of pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per
>>>> Tesla. Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can
>>>> be worked out very easily since we can select a time base
>>>> for the as natural as possible operation of the device. How
>>>> much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil
>>>> in the neo magnetic gap?? Just because he claims no LENZ
>>>> effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage
>>>> load free. A lot to be learned before jumping into
>>>> construction.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>>>> build a working model.
>>>>> I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>>>> instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Warren, Iron, Further thought on this as follows! The
>>>>> solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>>>> the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to
>>>>> such detail. What made them so efficient was the three
>>>>> pole coil stator which received a forward going
>>>>> current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and
>>>>> 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged
>>>>> up the condenser when current reached peak. When
>>>>> breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>>>> passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>>>> polarity current in the primary windings and the
>>>>> discharge current from the condenser was in phase
>>>>> which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a
>>>>> scope the primary current represented an instantaneous
>>>>> straight down line (nano second response). This was
>>>>> accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd
>>>>> condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>>>> impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>>>> incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>>>> switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>>>> there is a L-C high Q relationship here. I just threw
>>>>> out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>>>> switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>>>> mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>>>> frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>>>> Oscillator which is driven by DC . Thoughts???
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>>>> should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>>>> switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>>>> I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>>>> happening in a mysterious
>>>>>> "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit
>>>>>> can be confusing.
>>>>>> It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>>>> this subject.
>>>>>> Cheers Warren
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot
>>>>>> about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot
>>>>>> of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>>>> motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>>>> build and proof test! First of all you should
>>>>>> read what we know as facts! See the following
>>>>>> articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>>>> found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>>>> the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will
>>>>>> propose is very simple application of DC motor
>>>>>> principles as read from the cited references.
>>>>>> First you make your LENZ free motor which is in
>>>>>> reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
>>>>>> the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>>>> generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free,
>>>>>> LENZ free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the
>>>>>> solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT
>>>>>> drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke)
>>>>>> at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to
>>>>>> drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being
>>>>>> in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.
>>>>>> Has the light come on yet?? We know that Ray's
>>>>>> generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with
>>>>>> no LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles
>>>>>> as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a
>>>>>> motor that is LENZ free also. The combo should
>>>>>> give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!
>>>>>> We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>>>>> the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux
>>>>>> is building toward saturation there will be a
>>>>>> huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have
>>>>>> to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>>>>> practice in solid state switch design (snubber
>>>>>> diodes) The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
>>>>>> which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>>>> factor here! Interesting concept! Think about
>>>>>> it! Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>>>> than otherwise, but it could also have to do
>>>>>>> with noise in the core material as I was no
>>>>>>> using an air inductor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>> power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>> real power?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>>>> any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>>>> power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>>>> expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>>>> transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>>>> First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>>>> inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>>>> active load will still make the power go in
>>>>>>>> just one direction even though it happens in
>>>>>>>> pulses. The energy is then moving from the
>>>>>>>> source to the load. Reactive power has the
>>>>>>>> energy moving to and from the load and power
>>>>>>>> source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>>>> and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>>>>>>> except for the loss because of the parasitic
>>>>>>>> resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with
>>>>>>>> the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as
>>>>>>>> power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>>>>> real power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have only read to the following
>>>>>>>>> paragraph cited below. I wonder if the
>>>>>>>>> applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>> inductor connected in series to the
>>>>>>>>> capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>>>>> inductor connected in parallel to the
>>>>>>>>> capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>>>> single power input produces two branches
>>>>>>>>> of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>>>>> increasing the power output. In the
>>>>>>>>> alternative, the present disclosure may
>>>>>>>>> have one electromagnetic power output with
>>>>>>>>> less energy input."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>>>>> displacement between the current and
>>>>>>>>> voltage which means reactive power. Look
>>>>>>>>> at the following small videos to see how
>>>>>>>>> one can be misled if not knowing how the
>>>>>>>>> phase between the current and voltage is:
>>>>>>>>> Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>>>> (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>> explanation part 3.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ?
>>>>>>>>> explanation part 2.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>>> 1:00
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>>>> like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>>>> taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>>>> real power is useful in doing work.
>>>>>>>>> Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>>>>> the small active part heating the the
>>>>>>>>> wires and other components because of
>>>>>>>>> their parasitic resistance. This part
>>>>>>>>> caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>>>>> resistance is active power and not
>>>>>>>>> actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>>>> power distributing companies may charge
>>>>>>>>> costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>>>>> going through their cables which heats the
>>>>>>>>> power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>>>> power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>>>> loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>>>> Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>>>> description to figure 46:
>>>>>>>>> "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment
>>>>>>>>> of the present disclosure that conserves
>>>>>>>>> light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on
>>>>>>>>> Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>>>> according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>>>>> FIG. 46 and is still running seven years
>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>>>> (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>>>> illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>>>> light bulb. The voltage applied at the
>>>>>>>>> power input is 115 V. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>> for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>>>>>> measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power
>>>>>>>>> measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5
>>>>>>>>> VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>>>> light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>>>> measured at the input and a total of 191.5
>>>>>>>>> VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>>>>>> an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations
>>>>>>>>> are also shown for the energy savings for
>>>>>>>>> a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the apparent power that is
>>>>>>>>> increased. The apparent power is the
>>>>>>>>> vector sum of the real power and the
>>>>>>>>> reactive power which makes it always
>>>>>>>>> greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>>>> active or true) power.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Source with description at:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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