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On 11/17/2018 8:17 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norman
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> Evgray was a while back, I meant some people here, in this forum, as
> we speak, building a successful solenoid piston engine, using Ismael's
> concept, or was it too tricky
> Cheers Warren
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> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 9:08 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!
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> On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor
> [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
>> That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
>> Cheers Warren
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>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Warren! Lots of thought has to go into how we approach
>> designing a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid
>> or a rotary type motor. The solenoid type linear thrust
>> driver is easiest to trick into the locked rotor DC input
>> that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted on
>> DC motor characteristics. If you are going to drive Ray's
>> pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate
>> the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust rod
>> accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will
>> give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.
>> (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of
>> pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.
>> Wire turns and all the electrical parameters can be worked
>> out very easily since we can select a time base for the as
>> natural as possible operation of the device. How much
>> inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in the
>> neo magnetic gap?? Just because he claims no LENZ effect
>> does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>> free. A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>>
>>> Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can
>>> build a working model.
>>> I can build, but I get confused when left vague
>>> instructions, so try to help us out here.
>>> Cheers Warren
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>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Warren, Iron, Further thought on this as follows! The
>>> solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as
>>> the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such
>>> detail. What made them so efficient was the three pole
>>> coil stator which received a forward going current in
>>> primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole
>>> pieces before top dead center which charged up the
>>> condenser when current reached peak. When breaker points
>>> opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd
>>> pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the
>>> primary windings and the discharge current from the
>>> condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic
>>> flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>> represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano
>>> second response). This was accomplished due to the fact
>>> that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with
>>> the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to
>>> incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>>> switching design of the solenoid linear motor. See,
>>> there is a L-C high Q relationship here. I just threw
>>> out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any
>>> switching frequency can be selected. Just as the Tesla
>>> mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low
>>> frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>>> Oscillator which is driven by DC . Thoughts???
>>>
>>> On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>> [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norm
>>>>
>>>> The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined,
>>>> should be very suitable for applying mechanical
>>>> switches, timed to the stroke.
>>>> I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view,
>>>> happening in a mysterious
>>>> "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can
>>>> be confusing.
>>>> It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on
>>>> this subject.
>>>> Cheers Warren
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>>>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mick, Ole, Kone etal! I have been thinking a lot
>>>> about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of
>>>> reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
>>>> motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>>> build and proof test! First of all you should read
>>>> what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>>
>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>>
>>>> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as
>>>> found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of
>>>> the Ray's LENZ free generator. What I will propose
>>>> is very simple application of DC motor principles
>>>> as read from the cited references. First you make
>>>> your LENZ free motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>>> MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary
>>>> stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
>>>> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of
>>>> the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>> controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to
>>>> give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>>> 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid
>>>> coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR
>>>> condition, thus no LENZ effect. Has the light come
>>>> on yet?? We know that Ray's generator puts out a
>>>> sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag. Following
>>>> the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid
>>>> driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
>>>> The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>>> tricky part! We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>> when you switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>> magnetic flux is building toward saturation there
>>>> will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which
>>>> we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>>> ordinary practice in solid state switch design
>>>> (snubber diodes) The capture of the SPIKE energy
>>>> (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity
>>>> factor here! Interesting concept! Think about it!
>>>> Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank
>>>>> than otherwise, but it could also have to do with
>>>>> noise in the core material as I was no using an
>>>>> air inductor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>> factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>> eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do
>>>>>> any work but just heats the wires between the
>>>>>> power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>>> expensive for the owners of the power
>>>>>> transmission lines and thus should be avoided.
>>>>>> First storing the energy in a capacitor (or
>>>>>> inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>> active load will still make the power go in just
>>>>>> one direction even though it happens in pulses.
>>>>>> The energy is then moving from the source to the
>>>>>> load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and
>>>>>> from the load and power source. The power moving
>>>>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank
>>>>>> is pure reactive except for the loss because of
>>>>>> the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---In [email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ole,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>> terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>> patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then
>>>>>> disconnected from the reactive source then
>>>>>> discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>>>>> energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>>> recharged disconnected discharged etc. If the
>>>>>> reactive energy is harvested in this manner are
>>>>>> you claiming the same losses will occur as power
>>>>>> factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>> <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have only read to the following paragraph
>>>>>>> cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows
>>>>>>> about what he is writing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Citing paragraph 106 of the patent
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>> (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>> "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>> connected in series to the capacitor and
>>>>>>> there is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>> connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>>> Since Power=voltage×current, a single power
>>>>>>> input produces two branches of
>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>> power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>>> present disclosure may have one
>>>>>>> electromagnetic power output with less
>>>>>>> energy input."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>> oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>> voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>> between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>> reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>> videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>> knowing how the phase between the current
>>>>>>> and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>>> consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>> 0:42
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>> part 3.
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>> 1:01
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation
>>>>>>> part 2.
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>> alt
>>>>>>> 1:00
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1.
>>>>>>> but,
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The numbers without the phase shift looks
>>>>>>> like overunity which isn't the case when
>>>>>>> taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>>>> real power is useful in doing work. Reactive
>>>>>>> power doesn't do work except for the small
>>>>>>> active part heating the the wires and other
>>>>>>> components because of their parasitic
>>>>>>> resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>> doing work against the resistance is active
>>>>>>> power and not actually reactive power. This
>>>>>>> is why the power distributing companies may
>>>>>>> charge costumers for having high reactive
>>>>>>> power going through their cables which heats
>>>>>>> the power lines without transferring active
>>>>>>> power to their costumers. It's just pure
>>>>>>> loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>>> Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>> description to figure 46:
>>>>>>> "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of
>>>>>>> the present disclosure that conserves light
>>>>>>> bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov.
>>>>>>> 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>>>> according to the schematic disclosed in FIG.
>>>>>>> 46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>> (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>> illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>>>> light bulb. The voltage applied at the power
>>>>>>> input is 115 V. The apparent power for the
>>>>>>> Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at
>>>>>>> 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for
>>>>>>> the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the
>>>>>>> apparent power measured for the light bulb
>>>>>>> is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at
>>>>>>> the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>>> measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>> approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are
>>>>>>> also shown for the energy savings for a 75W
>>>>>>> Bulb."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the apparent power that is increased.
>>>>>>> The apparent power is the vector sum of the
>>>>>>> real power and the reactive power which
>>>>>>> makes it always greater than or equal to the
>>>>>>> real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Source with description at:
>>>>>>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Ole
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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