Neutral spike

Hi Mick,

Even though the reactances cancel this doesn't mean that the current or charge is canceled. The energy just changes between being in the capacitor as electric field energy and being in the inductor as magnetic field energy. Each time the energy field (tempic electric and magnetic field at right angle to each other) reaches the end it is reflected back the way it came. That is when the pulse reaches the inductor it is reflected back to the capacitor and when back in the capacitor it is reflected back to the inductor an so on making oscillations. The energy just changes between being a magnetic field and an electric field. If no loss it continues forever. If breaking the connection when the energy is in the capacitor it is stored as an electric field. If shorting the circuit when the energy is in the indictor the energy is stored as a magnetic field. I.e. the coil becomes a permanent magnet. But this only works when the coil has no resistance or a closed iron core to store the energy or if using a hard magnetic material as core.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 So if the cap is disconnected at the even multiple harmonic of the resonant root frequency synchronized at the proper 1/2 or 1/4 cycle it is no longer cancelled but carries a charge correct?
 
 On 11/16/2018 9:06 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Hi Mick,
 
 At resonance (in LC-tank) the capacitive impedance (imaginary part) cancels the inductive impedance (imaginary part) leaving only the resistance of the LC-tank circuit. The reactance of a capacitor is negative while the reactance of an inductor is positive. At resonance they are equal in magnitude but of opposite sign which cancel them out.
 
 LC-tank: https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit
 Reactance: https://wiki2.org/en/Electrical_reactance https://wiki2.org/en/Electrical_reactance
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 
 Ole,
 I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 
 Ole,
 Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
 
 
 
 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
 
   I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
 0:42 
 Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3. 9.5K views5 years ago
 
 
 
 
 
 1:01 
 Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2. 10K views5 years ago
 
 
 
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y

Ole!  agree that his approach in explaining version two is wrong!  
Please watch version One video which makes far more sense to me!   I 
believe You can see the possibility of a LENZ less driving solenoid (cut 
& dried) and Ray's LENZ less generator pendulum.

On 11/16/2018 3:57 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> Just watched most of this video 'Ray's No Back EMF Generator Design 2' 
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRROFwwz5hQ).
>
> Ron is talking about a small increase in the input power for an output 
> power bigger than the increase of the input power. This is a wrong way 
> of calculating the efficiency. Motors have different efficiencies 
> depending on load. Thus this tells nothing about what really happens 
> without consulting the datasheet of the motor or measuring the data 
> himself.
>
> Ron also mentions that the magnetic field of the rotor is only north 
> poles. He forgets that magnetic fields are always forming loops. The 
> field goes all the way through the magnet out of it and back into it 
> at the opposite pole. The reason for having a good magnetic conductor 
> with as small as possible air gap in motors and generators is that air 
> is a quite bad conductor of magnetism. If using big air gaps or long 
> magnetic paths the motor will be very big even for small power. Just 
> take a look at early motors before the double T-armature of Werner 
> Siemens: https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1376.php. After that motors 
> got more power and the magnetic path was further reduced by I think 
> Nikola Tesla: https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1390.php.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Iron, I haven't figured out what he is doing in version two!  By full 
> rotation, he seems to violate his no LENZ, no drag concept!
>
> On 11/16/2018 12:11 PM, iron1of1@... <mailto:iron1of1@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     Norm,
>>
>>
>>     What is Ray doing in Version 2, varying the magnetic field?
>>
>>     Is this somewhat similar to Clemente Figuera?
>>
>>     Ron
>
>

Kone,

It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating both
concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When harvesting RF if one
desires to pull DC the old fashioned way Tesla did it the timing is
important as one goes up a even harmonic or two to pull of the
compression or refraction only.

AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's uses in the
more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about because if one stays in the
AC realm one can induce feedback to dance with the devil and friends.

On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Ole and Mick
> Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge
> rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the capacitor has
> its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug
> and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being
> created not just observation of resonance...
> Kone
>
>

Ole,

Pretty sure Al Hubbards device worked the same way as Paul Browns NuCell.

http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

On 11/16/2018 5:47 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> H Sven,
>
> "I have now wrapped all power lines with aluminum foil and this
> one-sided grounded."
> Just be careful how the grounds are connected. Here are some EMC
> tutorial articles: http://learnemc.com/emc-tutorials
>
> The current paths may still induce currents into other circuit parts
> when the current carrying wires form loops having enough area (i.e.
> one turn coils). Shielding that way doesn't help for magnetic fields.
> The signal wires would probably improve if screened cable was used.
> But it all depends on how the wires are rigged up to avoid loops
> transmitting and receiving magnetic fields (magnetic coupling).
>
> "...the high-power mosfets are very hot although they are used at most
> 10%. The cut-off voltage at the drain increases in the kilovolt range
> when the transverter is connected"
> What do you mean by 'used at most 10%?' When getting hot they may need
> more cooling or they are used at their maximum power dissipation.
> Remember the power dissipation given in the datasheet is normally when
> the surface of the device is held at 20 degree Celsius which is only
> possible when using water cooling or heavy forced air cooling like
> pressurized air flow. If the drain-source voltage is reaching the
> avalanche breakdown voltage of the MOSFETs this will dissipate a lot
> of heat in them. Also switching high voltages at high current gives
> great switching loss if the switching transitions take too long.
> During switching transitions the MOSFETs are working in the linear
> region which means both voltage across and current through them at the
> same time. This dissipates heat as voltage times current gives power
> [V x A = W]. Multiply this by the transition time to get energy
> dissipation [W x s = J]. Look at the gate source signal as this
> controls the drain source channel.
>
> Have you found out how to make free energy or is it still just
> reactive power?
>
> I have made some simple experiments along the way of Pierre Cotnoir's
> device. I may have simplified it too much as I used a bunch of small
> transformers instead of a motor stator as in Pierre's device. No
> excess power output was observed. My next experiment is along the way
> of the Clemente Figuera patents
> (http://alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258). He may actually mix the
> fields the right way for coherence to occur. This could also be the
> way Alfred Hubbard's device worked.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :
>
> Hello to all those interested, I have now built a push-pull inverter
> for the transverter anti-drive to drive it. From 37 Hz 650Hz is fully
> adjustable and the pulse width.
> A simple square wave signal is generated and sent. It works
> wonderfully. The interference is a problem when switching 350V peaks.
> I have now wrapped all power lines with aluminum foil and this
> one-sided grounded. The boards I will install in an aluminum housing
> and also this ground, the disturbances are almost all gone. By
> shielding, the energy is no longer emitted and remains in the lines
> apparently, since the shielding, the high-power mosfets are very hot
> although they are used at most 10%. The cut-off voltage at the drain
> increases in the kilovolt range when the transverter is connected. The
> complete line to Transverter is also shielded. I now wanted to build
> an Energy Recovery Snubber to recycle that energy. First test show
> that you can drive the transverter so much more efficient. I have to
> build this inverter even more reliable or change.
> Best regards
> Sven
>

OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a working model.I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so try to help us out here.Cheers Warren

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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator which received a forward going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead center which charged up the condenser when current reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the switching design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but for design simplicity, any switching frequency can be selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
 
 On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be very suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke. I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a mysterious
 "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing. It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject. Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you  should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
  On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected  energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back  into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant  and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then  moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave  modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back  into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage  across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the  alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
 
 It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase displacement between the current and voltage which means reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
 
 
     0:42     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
   9.5K views5 years ago          1:01     
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
   10K views5 years ago          1:00      
Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
   8K views5 years ago    
 The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for the small active part heating the the wires and other components because of their parasitic resistance. This part caused by current doing work against the resistance is active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the power distributing companies may charge costumers for having high reactive power going through their cables which heats the power lines without transferring active power to their costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
 
 Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
 "[0149] FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
 
 [0150] Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
 
 It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
 
 
 Source with description at: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
 
 Regards
 Ole  
 
   
 
  
        
   
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Hi Warren
That is the Pbillipines not indonesia where Ismael Aviso is from..
Kone

Hi Ole and Mick
Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge rather than dancing  back and forth with inductor if the capacitor has its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being created not just observation of resonance...
Kone

Hi Mick
Really AC is alternating direction pulsing  DC so no real difference between the two hen you start to manipulate the sinewave into 1/4 sections etc. and do what you will. ir using caps switches diodes loads frequency flyback  etc etc Ac juzt takes double the components  and gives mirror image conienemt depository where to put anything extra or troublesome... 
Kone

Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing a ZERO 
LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type motor. The 
solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick into the locked 
rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter emf. see: files I posted 
on DC motor characteristics.  If you are going to drive Ray's pendelium 
LENZ free neo generator then we have to calculate the moment of inertia 
needed to drive the thrust rod accounting for all inertia and loading 
factors. This will give us the duration and magnitude of driving DC 
pulse.   (power supply source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of 
pulse such as the famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns 
and all the electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we 
can select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the 
device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core coil in 
the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ effect does not 
mean that you generate a current or wattage load free.  A lot to be 
learned before jumping into construction.

On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>
> Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a 
> working model.
> I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so try 
> to help us out here.
> Cheers Warren
>
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>
>     On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren, Iron,  Further thought on this as follows!    The solenoid
>     linear motor can be operated just the same as the old Outboard
>     Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail.  What made them so
>     efficient was the three pole coil stator which received a forward
>     going current in primary windings , magnets passing 1st and 2nd
>     pole pieces before top dead center which charged up the condenser
>     when current reached peak. When breaker points opened the rotating
>     magnets were passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a
>     reverse polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge
>     current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>     magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current represented
>     an instantaneous straight down line (nano second response). This
>     was accomplished due to the fact that the .026mfd condenser was a
>     perfect L_C match with the coil impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is
>     important to incorporate this magneto electric effect into the
>     switching design of the solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a
>     L-C high Q relationship here.  I just threw out the 60 HZ time
>     base but for design simplicity, any switching frequency can be
>     selected.  Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at a
>     relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making a Tesla
>     Oscillator which is driven by DC .  Thoughts???
>
>     On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Norm
>>
>>     The mechanical  contraptions that I have out lined, should be
>>     very suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the stroke.
>>     I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in a
>>     mysterious
>>     "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be confusing.
>>     It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this subject.
>>     Cheers Warren
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>>
>>         On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my
>>         Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up
>>         with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination
>>         which is so easy to build and proof test! First of all you
>>         should read what we know as facts! See the following articles:
>>
>>         https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>
>>         http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>
>>         https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>
>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>         https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>
>>         Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at
>>         K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>         generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of
>>         DC motor principles as read from the cited references. First
>>         you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR
>>         MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length
>>         to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the
>>         drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of
>>         the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive
>>         switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
>>         60 HZ. By using a DC pulse to drive the solenoid coil it is
>>         tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ
>>         effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's
>>         generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.
>>         Following the DC motor principles as applied to the solenoid
>>         driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo
>>         should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We
>>         know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
>>         power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward
>>         saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike)
>>         which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary
>>         practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The
>>         capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will
>>         be the over-unity factor here! Interesting concept!  Think
>>         about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>
>>         On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         Ole,
>>>
>>>         I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>         otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in the
>>>         core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>>
>>>>         "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>         the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>         then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>         modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>         claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>         correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>>
>>>>         Yes that's correct.
>>>>
>>>>         Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>         reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>         wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This
>>>>         is expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines
>>>>         and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a
>>>>         capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to
>>>>         an active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>         direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is
>>>>         then moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has
>>>>         the energy moving to and from the load and power source.
>>>>         The power moving between the capacitor and inductor in an
>>>>         LC-tank is pure reactive except for the loss because of the
>>>>         parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>         Ole,
>>>>
>>>>         Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology
>>>>         and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very
>>>>         high Q tank.
>>>>
>>>>         If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from
>>>>         the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load
>>>>         then reconnected energized back to the standing wave
>>>>         modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the
>>>>         reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you
>>>>         claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>>>         correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>         [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>
>>>>>             I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>             below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what he
>>>>>             is writing.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>             (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>             "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected
>>>>>             in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across
>>>>>             the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor.
>>>>>             Since Power=voltage×current, a single power input
>>>>>             produces two branches of electromagnetic power output,
>>>>>             increasing the power output. In the alternative, the
>>>>>             present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>             output with less energy input."
>>>>>
>>>>>             alt
>>>>>
>>>>>             It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope
>>>>>             for measuring the current and voltage it will show
>>>>>             some phase displacement between the current and
>>>>>             voltage which means reactive power. Look at the
>>>>>             following small videos to see how one can be misled if
>>>>>             not knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>             voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>             (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>             alt
>>>>>             0:42
>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                   Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>                   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>             9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>             alt
>>>>>             1:01
>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                   Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>                   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>             10K views5 years ago
>>>>>             alt
>>>>>             1:00
>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>             <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                   Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
>>>>>                   <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>
>>>>>             8K views5 years ago
>>>>>
>>>>>             The numbers without the phase shift looks like
>>>>>             overunity which isn't the case when taking into
>>>>>             account the phase shift. Only real power is useful in
>>>>>             doing work. Reactive power doesn't do work except for
>>>>>             the small active part heating the the wires and other
>>>>>             components because of their parasitic resistance. This
>>>>>             part caused by current doing work against the
>>>>>             resistance is active power and not actually reactive
>>>>>             power. This is why the power distributing companies
>>>>>             may charge costumers for having high reactive power
>>>>>             going through their cables which heats the power lines
>>>>>             without transferring active power to their costumers.
>>>>>             It's just pure loss because the wires have resistance.
>>>>>             Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Just looked at the figures and found the description
>>>>>             to figure 46:
>>>>>             "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the
>>>>>             present disclosure that conserves light bulb energy.
>>>>>             In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb
>>>>>             was installed according to the schematic disclosed in
>>>>>             FIG. 46 and is still running seven years later.
>>>>>
>>>>>             [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage
>>>>>             (V), the calculations below illustrate energy
>>>>>             conservation for a 60 W light bulb. The voltage
>>>>>             applied at the power input is 115 V. The apparent
>>>>>             power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is measured
>>>>>             at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed
>>>>>             motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured
>>>>>             for the light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>             measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>             measured at the output, indicating an approximately
>>>>>             1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the energy
>>>>>             savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>
>>>>>             It is the apparent power that is increased. The
>>>>>             apparent power is the vector sum of the real power and
>>>>>             the reactive power which makes it always greater than
>>>>>             or equal to the real (or active or true) power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Source with description at:
>>>>>             https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>
>>>>>             Regards
>>>>>             Ole
>>>>
>>>
>

Correct Doug! With diodes you accumulate at a given polarity and 
discharge when you desire into your circuit.

On 11/16/2018 10:36 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Ole and Mick
> Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge 
> rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the capacitor has 
> its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug 
> and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being 
> created not just observation of resonance...
> Kone
>
>

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/46875/where-exactly-do-the-electrons-go-in-the-circuit-once-they-traverse-the-circuit

On 11/17/2018 12:31 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick
> Really AC is alternating direction pulsing DC so no real difference 
> between the two hen you start to manipulate the sinewave into 1/4 
> sections etc. and do what you will. ir using caps switches diodes 
> loads frequency flyback etc etc Ac juzt takes double the components 
> and gives mirror image conienemt depository where to put anything 
> extra or troublesome...
> Kone
>
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOM07KN-B5s&feature=youtu.be

On 11/17/2018 12:31 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick
> Really AC is alternating direction pulsing DC so no real difference 
> between the two hen you start to manipulate the sinewave into 1/4 
> sections etc. and do what you will. ir using caps switches diodes 
> loads frequency flyback etc etc Ac juzt takes double the components 
> and gives mirror image conienemt depository where to put anything 
> extra or troublesome...
> Kone
>
>

Kone,

For harvesting you are entirely correct but if one desires to experiment
with very high voltage coils with a DC bias or with RF modulated
feedback that will still pass through caps without getting stuck in
order to control with pos or negative feedback then one as you say uses
twice the complexity.   I was not referring to only 1/4 wave switched in
order to accomplish the second part rather diff wave lenghts diff
purposes.  hard to find a diode that can sit on the output secondary of
a Tesla coil for instance

Sorry if we are only considering harvesting I do not mean to complicate
anyone, Kone is correct.

On 11/16/2018 10:31 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> Really AC is alternating direction pulsing DC so no real difference
> between the two hen you start to manipulate the sinewave into 1/4
> sections etc. and do what you will. ir using caps switches diodes
> loads frequency flyback etc etc Ac juzt takes double the components
> and gives mirror image conienemt depository where to put anything
> extra or troublesome...
> Kone
>
>

WhoopsSorry Doug, Ismael.How is he doing lately?
Is he still experimenting?We don't hear from him.Is he on another forum?Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 11:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren
That is the Pbillipines not indonesia where Ismael Aviso is from..
Kone
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Hi Norman,

In this video 'Ray's Hobbit World Of Magnetism 1' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-irRHfS3Hg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-irRHfS3Hg) Ray keeps applying energy to the pendulum by pushing it. It doesn't look super-efficient to me. The pendulum does lift a mass but puts it back down to the start height and it probably only does reactive work by giving back the energy to the pendulum.

If the load mass can be raised without losing energy from the pendulum then he has got free energy.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ole!  agree that his approach in explaining version two is wrong!  Please watch version One video which makes far more sense to me!   I believe You can see the possibility of a LENZ less driving solenoid (cut & dried) and Ray's LENZ less generator pendulum.

 On 11/16/2018 3:57 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Norman,
 
 Just watched most of this video 'Ray's No Back EMF Generator Design 2' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRROFwwz5hQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRROFwwz5hQ).
 
 Ron is talking about a small increase in the input power for an output power bigger than the increase of the input power. This is a wrong way of calculating the efficiency. Motors have different efficiencies depending on load. Thus this tells nothing about what really happens without consulting the datasheet of the motor or measuring the data himself.
 
 Ron also mentions that the magnetic field of the rotor is only north poles. He forgets that magnetic fields are always forming loops. The field goes all the way through the magnet out of it and back into it at the opposite pole. The reason for having a good magnetic conductor with as small as possible air gap in motors and generators is that air is a quite bad conductor of magnetism. If using big air gaps or long magnetic paths the motor will be very big even for small power. Just take a look at early motors before the double T-armature of Werner Siemens: https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1376.php https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1376.php. After that motors got more power and the magnetic path was further reduced by I think Nikola Tesla: https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1390.php https://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1390.php.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 Iron, I haven't figured out what he is doing in version two!  By full rotation, he seems to violate his no LENZ, no drag concept!  

 On 11/16/2018 12:11 PM, iron1of1@... mailto:iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 

 What is Ray doing in Version 2, varying the magnetic field?
 

 Is this somewhat similar to Clemente Figuera?
 

 Ron

MickWhat do we get from the old Ford Model T coil? It is 6 volts into, like a door bell buzzer switch, then primary, and secondary, producing a very hot spark, which I have never been able to see the nature of on a scope that I value. It is about 10,000 volts, judging by the length, and hot enough to ignite a sheet of paper put between the gap.Although I haven't performed surgery on one yet, I believe there may be an oil paper wrapped capacitor in there too.Now, in the vein of keeping the device simple, what happens when we rectify this high voltage "unknown" spark source? This reliable high voltage DC source of pulses should be able to be applied to an inductor which in turn, should certainly disturb the local magnetic field, one might imagine.
We then get dangerously close to the Don Smith rabbit hole, where none of us has gone down yet.Ole might be peeking in the back door of that realm, with his new inverter?It seems that the rythmatic tapping on the magnetic field can resonate with a coil of wire of a certain length, in an amplified manner, again rectified, to produce usable electricity.All of this must be put inside a Faraday cage, lest we bring down the demons, sent out to find why cell phone coverage is suddenly not happening in an area.The T coil can be adjusted mechanically with adjusting the buzzer point gap, changing the frequency slightly.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 12:27 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Kone,
 
It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating both concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When harvesting RF if one desires to pull DC the old fashioned way Tesla did it the timing is important as one goes up a even harmonic or two to pull of the compression or refraction only.
 
AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's uses in the more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about because if one stays in the AC realm one can induce feedback to dance with the devil and friends.
 
 On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Ole and Mick
 Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the capacitor has its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being created not just observation of resonance...
 Kone
  
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Hi Warren,

Here is an early ignition system: The trembler coil: https://wiki2.org/en/Trembler_coil https://wiki2.org/en/Trembler_coil

Here is another description with a schematic:
https://union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/mechanics/dennis-n-type-manual/electrical-system/ https://union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/mechanics/dennis-n-type-manual/electrical-system/

It is mentioned that there is a capacitor across the trembler (vibrator) arm to prevent it forming plasma that eats away the metal. The modern flyback generators have the contacts replaced with a transistor switch at the ground side. The capacitor is placed in parallel to the transistor to limit the voltage to below the breakdown voltage of the transistor. The secondary voltage is the windings ratio between the primary and secondary coils greater than the primary voltage.

Here is a better schematic:
 http://www.longrope.com/circuits/Trembler%20coil.htm
 Source: http://www.longrope.com/circuits/Trembler%20coil.htm http://www.longrope.com/circuits/Trembler%20coil.htm

I'm looking for a free energy generator that is not depending on resonance. It must keep on running even if the load changes. Or else at least something has to track the resonant frequency when the load changes. I like Pierre's device as he doesn't have to readjust it when the load is changed.

To see the waveform on a scope a x100 probe (around 1.5kV) is needed. Only measure the primary voltage. The secondary voltage is a copy of the primary voltage only the winding ratio greater for a step-up transformer. Remember to have the voltage limiting capacitor (snubber) in parallel to the switch. More capacitance means less flyback voltage. So start with more parallel capacitance if in doubt of the primary voltage exceeding the scope range.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Mick What do we get from the old Ford Model T coil? It is 6 volts into, like a door bell buzzer switch, then primary, and secondary, producing a very hot spark, which I have never been able to see the nature of on a scope that I value. It is about 10,000 volts, judging by the length, and hot enough to ignite a sheet of paper put between the gap.
 Although I haven't performed surgery on one yet, I believe there may be an oil paper wrapped capacitor in there too.
 Now, in the vein of keeping the device simple, what happens when we rectify this high voltage "unknown" spark source? 
 This reliable high voltage DC source of pulses should be able to be applied to an inductor which in turn, should certainly disturb the local magnetic field, one might imagine.
We then get dangerously close to the Don Smith rabbit hole, where none of us has gone down yet.
 Ole might be peeking in the back door of that realm, with his new inverter?
 It seems that the rythmatic tapping on the magnetic field can resonate with a coil of wire of a certain length, in an amplified manner, again rectified, to produce usable electricity.
 All of this must be put inside a Faraday cage, lest we bring down the demons, sent out to find why cell phone coverage is suddenly not happening in an area.
 The T coil can be adjusted mechanically with adjusting the buzzer point gap, changing the frequency slightly.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 12:27 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   
 Kone,
 It's much easier that way you are correct just investigating both concepts of AC and DC circuit harvesting.  When harvesting RF if one desires to pull DC the old fashioned way Tesla did it the timing is important as one goes up a even harmonic or two to pull of the compression or refraction only.
 AC version and  the more difficult system I think has it's uses in the more esoteric weird shit Hector talks about because if one stays in the AC realm one can induce feedback to dance with the devil and friends.

 On 11/16/2018 8:36 PM, konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Ole and Mick
 Just my measly two cent opinion but the capcitor "could" hold a charge rather than dancing back and forth with inductor if the capacitor has its charge rectified first which I believe is whole idea of diode plug and cap is timed to discharge into load too so there is power being created not just observation of resonance...
 Kone

Norm,

I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is
in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the
rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am
reading now it is most amount of slip.

Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday
accepted definition?

Thanks,

Mick

On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked
> Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool
> proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to
> build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know as
> facts! See the following articles:
>
> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
> Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator. 
> What I will propose is very simple application of DC motor principles
> as read from the cited references. First you make your LENZ free 
> motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give
> the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil
> oscillating within the drag free, LENZ free area of the Neo
> magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and
> IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of
> 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked
> into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
> light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine
> wave output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles
> as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free
> also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky
> part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid
> power to off state as magnetic flux is building toward saturation
> there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
> capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in solid state
> switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV)
> which occurs naturally will be the over-unity factor here! 
> Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV
> caps)!
>
> On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Ole,
>>
>> I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but
>> it could also have to do with noise in the core material as I was no
>> using an air inductor.
>>
>>
>> On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi Mick,
>>>
>>> "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>> reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>> energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>> discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner
>>> are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?"
>>>
>>> Yes that's correct.
>>>
>>> Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the reactive
>>> power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the
>>> power plant and the reactive load. This is expensive for the owners
>>> of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First
>>> storing the energy in a capacitor (or inductor or battery) and then
>>> dumping it to an active load will still make the power go in just
>>> one direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy is then
>>> moving from the source to the load. Reactive power has the energy
>>> moving to and from the load and power source. The power moving
>>> between the capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive
>>> except for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>> components and wires.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Ole,
>>>
>>> Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and not
>>> concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>
>>> If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>> reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then reconnected
>>> energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>> discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner
>>> are you claiming the same losses will occur as power factor
>>> correcting the reactive back into real power?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I
>>>>     wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>
>>>>     Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>     (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>     "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>     series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>     inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>     Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>     branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the power
>>>>     output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one
>>>>     electromagnetic power output with less energy input."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>     measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>     displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>     reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see how
>>>>     one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between the
>>>>     current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>     (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>
>>>>     0:42
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>
>>>>     9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>     1:01
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>
>>>>     10K views5 years ago
>>>>     1:00
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
>>>>           <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>
>>>>     8K views5 years ago
>>>>
>>>>     The numbers without the phase shift looks like overunity which
>>>>     isn't the case when taking into account the phase shift. Only
>>>>     real power is useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do
>>>>     work except for the small active part heating the the wires and
>>>>     other components because of their parasitic resistance. This
>>>>     part caused by current doing work against the resistance is
>>>>     active power and not actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>     power distributing companies may charge costumers for having
>>>>     high reactive power going through their cables which heats the
>>>>     power lines without transferring active power to their
>>>>     costumers. It's just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>     resistance. Resistance converts electric power into heat.
>>>>
>>>>     Just looked at the figures and found the description to figure 46:
>>>>     "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the present
>>>>     disclosure that conserves light bulb energy. In a test
>>>>     conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a light bulb was installed
>>>>     according to the schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still
>>>>     running seven years later.
>>>>
>>>>     [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current (A)×Voltage (V), the
>>>>     calculations below illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W
>>>>     light bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is 115 V.
>>>>     The apparent power for the Power Input Line (Line PIN) is
>>>>     measured at 126.5 VA. The apparent power measured for the shed
>>>>     motor fan is 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>     light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is measured at the input
>>>>     and a total of 191.5 VA is measured at the output, indicating
>>>>     an approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also shown for the
>>>>     energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>
>>>>     It is the apparent power that is increased. The apparent power
>>>>     is the vector sum of the real power and the reactive power
>>>>     which makes it always greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>     active or true) power.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Source with description at:
>>>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>
>>
>

Ole,

Thanks I thought that was blocked rotor, OK that makes sense there would
be maximal slip if the rotor is held fast.  It's been a mirror brain day.

On 11/17/2018 3:12 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is
> also known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic
> wave(s) of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this
> means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The
> motor is then working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor
> was/is in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to
> the rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like
> I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday
> accepted definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked
>>     Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool
>>     proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to
>>     build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know
>>     as facts! See the following articles:
>>
>>     https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>
>>     http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>
>>     https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>
>>     https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>
>>     Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G
>>     Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free
>>     generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC
>>     motor principles as read from the cited references. First you
>>     make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR
>>     (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to drive
>>     the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>     free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is
>>     controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an
>>     excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC
>>     pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in
>>     LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come
>>     on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
>>     output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles
>>     as applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>     free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the
>>     tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch
>>     the solenoid power to off state as magnetic flux is building
>>     toward saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral
>>     Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as
>>     ordinary practice in solid state switch design (snubber diodes) 
>>     The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will
>>     be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about
>>     it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>
>>     On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Ole,
>>>
>>>     I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise,
>>>     but it could also have to do with noise in the core material as
>>>     I was no using an air inductor.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>
>>>>     "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>     real power?"
>>>>
>>>>     Yes that's correct.
>>>>
>>>>     Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating the
>>>>     reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the
>>>>     wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is
>>>>     expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and
>>>>     thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor
>>>>     (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load
>>>>     will still make the power go in just one direction even though
>>>>     it happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the source
>>>>     to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and from
>>>>     the load and power source. The power moving between the
>>>>     capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except
>>>>     for the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>     components and wires.
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>     Ole,
>>>>
>>>>     Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology and
>>>>     not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>
>>>>     If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected from the
>>>>     reactive source then discharged to a resistive load then
>>>>     reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality
>>>>     recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy
>>>>     is harvested in this manner are you claiming the same losses
>>>>     will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into
>>>>     real power?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>         I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I
>>>>>         wonder if the applicant knows about what he is writing.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>         (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>         "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in
>>>>>         series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the
>>>>>         inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since
>>>>>         Power=voltage×current, a single power input produces two
>>>>>         branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>         power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure
>>>>>         may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy
>>>>>         input."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         It isn't as simple as this. If using an oscilloscope for
>>>>>         measuring the current and voltage it will show some phase
>>>>>         displacement between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>         reactive power. Look at the following small videos to see
>>>>>         how one can be misled if not knowing how the phase between
>>>>>         the current and voltage is: Only the the resistive part
>>>>>         consumes (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>
>>>>>         0:42
>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 3.
>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>
>>>>>         9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>         1:01
>>>>>         <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>               Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part 2.
>>>>>               <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>
>>>>>         10K views5 years ago
>>>>
>

EV Gray built a recip engine version of his repulsion plate principle!

On 11/17/2018 7:52 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> Has anyone tried to duplicate Ismael's coil leap?
> That concept of coil as piston, on a reciprocating engine?
> Cheers Warren
>
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>
>     On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 11:04 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren!  Lots of thought has to go into how we approach designing
>     a ZERO LENZ motor whether it be a linear solenoid or a rotary type
>     motor. The solenoid type linear thrust driver is easiest to trick
>     into the locked rotor DC input that has no back EMF or counter
>     emf. see: files I posted on DC motor characteristics.  If you are
>     going to drive Ray's pendelium LENZ free neo generator then we
>     have to calculate the moment of inertia needed to drive the thrust
>     rod accounting for all inertia and loading factors. This will give
>     us the duration and magnitude of driving DC pulse.   (power supply
>     source direct) or (Capacitor source) Timing of pulse such as the
>     famous Child on the Swing as per Tesla.   Wire turns and all the
>     electrical parameters can be worked out very easily since we can
>     select a time base for the as natural as possible operation of the
>     device. How much inductive drag is there with the non metal core
>     coil in the neo magnetic gap??  Just because he claims no LENZ
>     effect does not mean that you generate a current or wattage load
>     free.  A lot to be learned before jumping into construction.
>
>     On 11/16/2018 9:12 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     OK Norm, work out the math, as when I try, I just get TV snow.
>>
>>     Once we know the size wire, and number of turns, we can build a
>>     working model.
>>     I can build, but I get confused when left vague instructions, so
>>     try to help us out here.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
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>>
>>         On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 2:46 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         Warren, Iron, Further thought on this as follows! The
>>         solenoid linear motor can be operated just the same as the
>>         old Outboard Marine Magnetos that I studied to such detail. 
>>         What made them so efficient was the three pole coil stator
>>         which received a forward going current in primary windings ,
>>         magnets passing 1st and 2nd pole pieces before top dead
>>         center which charged up the condenser when current reached
>>         peak. When breaker points opened the rotating magnets were
>>         passing the 2nd and 3rd pole pieces inducing a reverse
>>         polarity current in the primary windings and the discharge
>>         current from the condenser was in phase which accelerated the
>>         magnetic flux reversal. On a scope the primary current
>>         represented an instantaneous straight down line (nano second
>>         response). This was accomplished due to the fact that the
>>         .026mfd condenser was a perfect L_C match with the coil
>>         impedance. (Ultra high Q) . It is important to incorporate
>>         this magneto electric effect into the switching design of the
>>         solenoid linear motor.  See, there is a L-C high Q
>>         relationship here. I just threw out the 60 HZ time base but
>>         for design simplicity, any switching frequency can be
>>         selected. Just as the Tesla mechanical oscillators worked at
>>         a relative low frequency! Just as pointed out, we are making
>>         a Tesla Oscillator which is driven by DC . Thoughts???
>>
>>         On 11/16/2018 9:58 AM, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         Norm
>>>
>>>         The mechanical contraptions that I have out lined, should be
>>>         very suitable for applying mechanical switches, timed to the
>>>         stroke.
>>>         I like the fact nothing can be hidden to view, happening in
>>>         a mysterious
>>>         "Black box"as even discrete components in a circuit can be
>>>         confusing.
>>>         It would be so great to hear your further thoughts on this
>>>         subject.
>>>         Cheers Warren
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>>>
>>>             On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 at 9:13 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about
>>>             my Locked Rotor experiments and did a lot of reading to
>>>             come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator
>>>             combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
>>>             First of all you should read what we know as facts! See
>>>             the following articles:
>>>
>>>             https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>>>
>>>             http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>>>
>>>             https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>>>
>>>             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>>             https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>>>
>>>             Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found
>>>             at K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's
>>>             LENZ free generator. What I will propose is very simple
>>>             application of DC motor principles as read from the
>>>             cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor
>>>             which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will
>>>             give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR
>>>             generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
>>>             free area of the Neo magnets). Stroke of the solenoid is
>>>             controlled by Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give
>>>             an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By
>>>             using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
>>>             tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no
>>>             LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that
>>>             Ray's generator puts out a sine wave output (AC) with no
>>>             LENZ drag. Following the DC motor principles as applied
>>>             to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ
>>>             free also. The combo should give an Over-unity output.
>>>             Now the tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that
>>>             when you switch the solenoid power to off state as
>>>             magnetic flux is building toward saturation there will
>>>             be a huge voltage spike (Neutral Spike) which we have to
>>>             capture and not send to ground as ordinary practice in
>>>             solid state switch design (snubber diodes)  The capture
>>>             of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will be
>>>             the over-unity factor here! Interesting concept! Think
>>>             about it!  Norm Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
>>>
>>>             On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Ole,
>>>>
>>>>             I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than
>>>>             otherwise, but it could also have to do with noise in
>>>>             the core material as I was no using an air inductor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Hi Mick,
>>>>>
>>>>>             "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>             from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>             resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>             standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>             discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>             in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>             occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>             into real power?"
>>>>>
>>>>>             Yes that's correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Common power factor correction in AC is for
>>>>>             eliminating the reactive power that doesn't do any
>>>>>             work but just heats the wires between the power plant
>>>>>             and the reactive load. This is expensive for the
>>>>>             owners of the power transmission lines and thus should
>>>>>             be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor
>>>>>             (or inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an
>>>>>             active load will still make the power go in just one
>>>>>             direction even though it happens in pulses. The energy
>>>>>             is then moving from the source to the load. Reactive
>>>>>             power has the energy moving to and from the load and
>>>>>             power source. The power moving between the capacitor
>>>>>             and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for
>>>>>             the loss because of the parasitic resistance in the
>>>>>             components and wires.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Regards
>>>>>             Ole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             ---In [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>>>             <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>             Ole,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent
>>>>>             terminology and not concerning ourselves with the
>>>>>             patent just a very high Q tank.
>>>>>
>>>>>             If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected
>>>>>             from the reactive source then discharged to a
>>>>>             resistive load then reconnected energized back to the
>>>>>             standing wave modality recharged disconnected
>>>>>             discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested
>>>>>             in this manner are you claiming the same losses will
>>>>>             occur as power factor correcting the reactive back
>>>>>             into real power?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@...
>>>>>             <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>                 I have only read to the following paragraph cited
>>>>>>                 below. I wonder if the applicant knows about what
>>>>>>                 he is writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application
>>>>>>                 (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
>>>>>>                 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor
>>>>>>                 connected in series to the capacitor and there is
>>>>>>                 voltage across the inductor connected in parallel
>>>>>>                 to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage×current, a
>>>>>>                 single power input produces two branches of
>>>>>>                 electromagnetic power output, increasing the
>>>>>>                 power output. In the alternative, the present
>>>>>>                 disclosure may have one electromagnetic power
>>>>>>                 output with less energy input."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 alt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 It isn't as simple as this. If using an
>>>>>>                 oscilloscope for measuring the current and
>>>>>>                 voltage it will show some phase displacement
>>>>>>                 between the current and voltage which means
>>>>>>                 reactive power. Look at the following small
>>>>>>                 videos to see how one can be misled if not
>>>>>>                 knowing how the phase between the current and
>>>>>>                 voltage is: Only the the resistive part consumes
>>>>>>                 (transforms) energy like R in figure 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 alt
>>>>>>                 0:42
>>>>>>                 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                       Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>                       3.
>>>>>>                       <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEZMCCBV3U>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 9.5K views5 years ago
>>>>>>                 alt
>>>>>>                 1:01
>>>>>>                 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                       Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? explanation part
>>>>>>                       2.
>>>>>>                       <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jamj3-2w0eE>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 10K views5 years ago
>>>>>>                 alt
>>>>>>                 1:00
>>>>>>                 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>                 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                       Overunity Device Cop 2,5 ? part 1. but,
>>>>>>                       <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_E0ck3v40Y>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 8K views5 years ago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 The numbers without the phase shift looks like
>>>>>>                 overunity which isn't the case when taking into
>>>>>>                 account the phase shift. Only real power is
>>>>>>                 useful in doing work. Reactive power doesn't do
>>>>>>                 work except for the small active part heating the
>>>>>>                 the wires and other components because of their
>>>>>>                 parasitic resistance. This part caused by current
>>>>>>                 doing work against the resistance is active power
>>>>>>                 and not actually reactive power. This is why the
>>>>>>                 power distributing companies may charge costumers
>>>>>>                 for having high reactive power going through
>>>>>>                 their cables which heats the power lines without
>>>>>>                 transferring active power to their costumers.
>>>>>>                 It's just pure loss because the wires have
>>>>>>                 resistance. Resistance converts electric power
>>>>>>                 into heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Just looked at the figures and found the
>>>>>>                 description to figure 46:
>>>>>>                 "[0149]FIG. 46 illustrates an embodiment of the
>>>>>>                 present disclosure that conserves light bulb
>>>>>>                 energy. In a test conducted, on Nov. 16, 1998, a
>>>>>>                 light bulb was installed according to the
>>>>>>                 schematic disclosed in FIG. 46 and is still
>>>>>>                 running seven years later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 [0150]Since Apparent Power (VA)=Current
>>>>>>                 (A)×Voltage (V), the calculations below
>>>>>>                 illustrate energy conservation for a 60 W light
>>>>>>                 bulb. The voltage applied at the power input is
>>>>>>                 115 V. The apparent power for the Power Input
>>>>>>                 Line (Line PIN) is measured at 126.5 VA. The
>>>>>>                 apparent power measured for the shed motor fan is
>>>>>>                 126.5 VA and the apparent power measured for the
>>>>>>                 light bulb is 65 VA. Therefore, 126 VA is
>>>>>>                 measured at the input and a total of 191.5 VA is
>>>>>>                 measured at the output, indicating an
>>>>>>                 approximately 1.5 gain. Calculations are also
>>>>>>                 shown for the energy savings for a 75W Bulb."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 It is the apparent power that is increased. The
>>>>>>                 apparent power is the vector sum of the real
>>>>>>                 power and the reactive power which makes it
>>>>>>                 always greater than or equal to the real (or
>>>>>>                 active or true) power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Source with description at:
>>>>>>                 https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>                 Ole
>>>>>
>>>>
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