Cap charging and use

Kone,

Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?

What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?

I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
have come up with?

I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
efficiently charge these puppies.

How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?

Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.

James,

This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often
caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!

The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very
expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse
prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on
the larger farad capacity.


On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the
> voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead
> battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
>
> On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Kone,
>
>     Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
>     best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>
>     What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
>
>     I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then
>     use for
>     charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
>     have come up with?
>
>     I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
>     powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
>     efficiently charge these puppies.
>
>     How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
>     is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with
>     GDT's
>     so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one
>     could
>     have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>
>     Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there
>     is a
>     load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly. 
>     They may
>     be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
>
>

I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the
voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or
lithium .no transformer needed .
On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Kone,
>
> Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
> best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>
> What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
>
> I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
> charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
> have come up with?
>
> I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
> powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
> efficiently charge these puppies.
>
> How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
> is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
> so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
> have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>
> Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
> load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
> be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
>
> 
>

Hi Warren,

I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
the step down.

If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
sorting out requirements.

Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
your RV to power correct the TV.

Hope this makes sense!


On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> 100mf 4000

Warren,

Oh yeah don't try to control the TV from a function gen or a 555, try to
build a simple self tuning resonant tank.  For this type of energy to be
generated it has to be unto itself rather than pushed by an outside
force.  The pulse generator should be by virtue of the transformer in
it's own feedback loop where it is it's own transmitter and receiver. 
By this modality the proper longitudinal waves will be evident and it
will follow it's own resonant nodes rather than be forced into one.


Finesse over Force !!!

Good luck!


On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> 100mf 4000

Should be more efficient .
On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James,
>
> This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps
> are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>
> The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very
> expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse
> prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on
> the larger farad capacity.
>
> On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the
> voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or
> lithium .no transformer needed .
> On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Kone,
>>
>> Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
>> best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>
>> What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
>>
>> I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
>> charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
>> have come up with?
>>
>> I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
>> powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
>> efficiently charge these puppies.
>>
>> How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
>> is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
>> so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
>> have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>
>> Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
>> load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
>> be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
>>
>>
> 
>

MickI have five 100mf 4000 volt oil filled caps. They are Sprague oil filled can types, that say "energy storage" on them.I feel that I do not want to use batteries, if I can avoid them.It is not a lot of energy, but if I am able pulse it, to drive a Transverter primary, using the 450 lb transformer, or use them as the fixed load, I may be able to find a frequency to resonate it, tuning the entire device to a fixed loadI am speculating that a function generator might be used to stimulate the signal voltage to some kind of inverter, or heavy switching device to keep everything ringing.Chopped DC, has in my experience, provided, some surprising results just running dc motors, I wonder about using a resonant dc to power my big transformer as a transverter type device.I did manage to source an air to liquid heat pump. It needs 10 amps of 60 hz 220 volts. Likely, an inverter will be needed to deliver that, in a safe manner, to not destroy the electronics.Providing a stable current to an inverter, that is the essential problem, at hand.It is perhaps crazy to think about heating a 150 + year old two story stone barn, but this Summer, the metal roof has been insulated with four inches of spray urethane foam.The concrete floor was jack hammered to sink it down eight inches. Little did I expect to find 45 tons of basket ball sized boulders underneath! My wife and I removed them. Then we put in forty tons of crushed limestone to get a level surface.This was, in turn spray foamed to 3 inches. On top of that was laid a grid of re-rod, to which my friend Mike attached a network of plastic tubes to a wall mounted manifoldFive inches of concrete was then poured on top, finished to a mirror like surface. This is the radiant infared source to heat the barn, in theory.The heat pump will take heat from the air down to -20C to heat that floor. If, like last winter, it gets colder than -20C for long periods of time, the hot water tank, at this point, will have to be heated with electricity.(from the grid?)
I am now a pretty good stone mason, completely rebuilding the stone arches of the windows, of the massive wedge shaped heavy stones. It started out as merely needing to re-point, but then, as these projects go, I find in the complexities, I had to learn new skill sets when encountering major structural issues. It is very satisfying work, if the weather will only hold up.In short, my new workshop is a work in progress, and heat with electricity is on the agenda.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 10:56 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James,
 
This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!
 
 
The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
 
 
 On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed . 
 On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Kone,
 
 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
 
 What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
 
 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
 have come up with?
 
 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
 powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
 efficiently charge these puppies.
 
 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
 is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
 
 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
 load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
 
 
     
   
 
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Thanks! Mick, The Dream is alive!

My concept regarding the dielectric as the key to tapping the Aetheric 
field has merit! First we have to understand the Condenser from back in 
Tesla's days.  This is the most important document ever written by Tesla 
after his return from Colorado Springs.  
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm   To get a good foundation 
of understanding it is a must read.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html The 
problem in a nut shell!

Maybe we should learn from Tesla!  HARP was based on Tesla's' 
understanding of the charged ionosphere and the ability of the earth to 
provide the electrons! A condenser or if you prefer, is an electrostatic 
device.

So what is meant by “Burning Nitrogen”? We know we must seek to get our 
energy directly from the source. What is the source? Cosmic rays. How do 
we get their energy? We let the rays ionize our atmosphere and we 
collect the charges thus set free. But all ionizing rays have lost their 
energy in the upper regions of our atmosphere, so there is not enough 
energy in these rays left in the lower regions. Yet with high frequency 
high voltage we can lower the ionization threshold and have these atoms 
ionized. Next we collect the charges and pump them in a standing wave in 
our Earth. This energy can then be tapped everywhere on this planet with 
very simple apparatus.
As Tesla explains on his birthday in 1932, “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May 
Transmit Power ‘Round Earth”:


“ I will tell you in the most general way,” he said. “The cosmic ray 
ionizes the air, setting free many charges—ions and electrons. These 
charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through 
the circuit of the motor.”

https://steemit.com/science/@mage00000/reading-nikola-tesla-part-15-production-of-immense-electrical-movements

https://phys.org/news/2014-12-capacitors-electrical-circuits-large-scale-energy.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capdis.html

https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor

Back to the basics of charging a condenser with electrostatics!       It 
is an electrostatic device! 
<https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>

If you have a high potential source then with a good earth ground 
electron source, it will inhale!
<https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>



On 10/9/2018 4:42 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Warren,
>
> I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
> as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
> Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
> in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
> an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
> any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
> tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
> to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
> utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
> prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
> words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
> the step down.
>
> If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
> meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
> condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
> system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
> running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
> as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
> watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
> effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
> can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
> to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
> much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
> sorting out requirements.
>
> Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
> independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
> learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
> your RV to power correct the TV.
>
> Hope this makes sense!
>
> On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > 100mf 4000
>
>

https://web.statler.wvu.edu/~wu/mae493/7-storage-3.pdf


On 10/9/2018 8:25 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Thanks! Mick, The Dream is alive!
>
> My concept regarding the dielectric as the key to tapping the Aetheric 
> field has merit! First we have to understand the Condenser from back 
> in Tesla's days.  This is the most important document ever written by 
> Tesla after his return from Colorado Springs. 
> http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm To get a good foundation 
> of understanding it is a must read.
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html The 
> problem in a nut shell!
>
> Maybe we should learn from Tesla!  HARP was based on Tesla's' 
> understanding of the charged ionosphere and the ability of the earth 
> to provide the electrons! A condenser or if you prefer, is an 
> electrostatic device.
>
> So what is meant by “Burning Nitrogen”? We know we must seek to get 
> our energy directly from the source. What is the source? Cosmic rays. 
> How do we get their energy? We let the rays ionize our atmosphere and 
> we collect the charges thus set free. But all ionizing rays have lost 
> their energy in the upper regions of our atmosphere, so there is not 
> enough energy in these rays left in the lower regions. Yet with high 
> frequency high voltage we can lower the ionization threshold and have 
> these atoms ionized. Next we collect the charges and pump them in a 
> standing wave in our Earth. This energy can then be tapped everywhere 
> on this planet with very simple apparatus.
> As Tesla explains on his birthday in 1932, “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May 
> Transmit Power ‘Round Earth”:
>
>
> “ I will tell you in the most general way,” he said. “The cosmic ray 
> ionizes the air, setting free many charges—ions and electrons. These 
> charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through 
> the circuit of the motor.”
>
> https://steemit.com/science/@mage00000/reading-nikola-tesla-part-15-production-of-immense-electrical-movements
>
> https://phys.org/news/2014-12-capacitors-electrical-circuits-large-scale-energy.html
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capdis.html
>
> https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor
>
> Back to the basics of charging a condenser with electrostatics!       
> It is an electrostatic device! 
> <https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>
>
> If you have a high potential source then with a good earth ground 
> electron source, it will inhale!
> <https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>
>
>
>
> On 10/9/2018 4:42 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>>
>> I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
>> as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
>> Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
>> in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
>> an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
>> any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
>> tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
>> to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
>> utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
>> prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
>> words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
>> the step down.
>>
>> If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
>> meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
>> condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
>> system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
>> running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
>> as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
>> watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
>> effective solution other than many caps for storage. The transverter
>> can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
>> to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
>> much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
>> sorting out requirements.
>>
>> Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
>> independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
>> learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
>> your RV to power correct the TV.
>>
>> Hope this makes sense!
>>
>> On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> > 100mf 4000
>>
>> 
>

James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead of 
resistors is an interesting idea!

Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor 
charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html

Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets take 
the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output. See: 
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm

Also, a conventional Marx generator. See: 
https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/

http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator

Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici 
Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and 
it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator example 
with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets play the game 
backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider 
circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC 
to charge our batteries! Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can 
use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at 
any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici 
Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses 
HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or dielectric 
media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping device!  Just 
think about this if you will!  Norm



On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Should be more efficient .
>
> On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     James,
>
>     This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage
>     often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of
>     resistors.  Good idea!
>
>     The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else
>     very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the
>     initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage
>     does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
>
>
>     On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping
>>     the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a
>>     lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
>>
>>     On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Kone,
>>
>>         Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what
>>         is the
>>         best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>
>>         What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
>>
>>         I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter
>>         then use for
>>         charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some
>>         uses you
>>         have come up with?
>>
>>         I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
>>         powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
>>         efficiently charge these puppies.
>>
>>         How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence
>>         machines
>>         is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited
>>         with GDT's
>>         so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose
>>         one could
>>         have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>
>>         Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if
>>         there is a
>>         load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge
>>         slowly.  They may
>>         be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to
>>         watts.
>>
>
>

Yes H will leak through most pressure tanks.   The best way to store it
is to fill scuba tanks with hydride powder, to release hydrogen gently
heat the metal hydride.  Hydride energy density is very good and useful
for automobiles due to size and weight.

http://www.fuelcellstore.com/hydrogen-equipment/hydrogen-storage/bl-740-metal-hydride

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b781/192e2624db103d1b615502dd44354eff9b52.pdf

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Metal-Hydride-Hydrogen-Storage_60761300141.html

https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=hydride+powder+hydrogen+storage&viewtype=


On 10/9/2018 11:06 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for
> hydrogen!  Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!
>
>
> On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
>>
>> I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy construction,
>> but it is steel.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider
>>     instead of resistors is an interesting idea! 
>>
>>     Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional
>>     capacitor charging!
>>     http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
>>
>>     Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically
>>     lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its
>>     3KW output. See:
>>     http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>>
>>     Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
>>     https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
>>
>>     http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
>>
>>     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
>>
>>     Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the
>>     Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an
>>     million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in
>>     the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery
>>     powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC
>>     already, so lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are
>>     in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our
>>     batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the
>>     HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at
>>     any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici
>>     Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that
>>     it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working
>>     electrolyte or dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric
>>     energy tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Should be more efficient .
>>>
>>>     On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         James,
>>>
>>>         This is an interesting way of going about it, with high
>>>         voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks
>>>         instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>>>
>>>         The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower
>>>         voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can
>>>         be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion
>>>         even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger
>>>         farad capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by
>>>>         dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt
>>>>         to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer
>>>>         needed .
>>>>
>>>>         On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>             Kone,
>>>>
>>>>             Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and
>>>>             quickly what is the
>>>>             best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>>
>>>>             What do you do with the output of your Konehead /
>>>>             Muller motors?
>>>>
>>>>             I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck
>>>>             converter then use for
>>>>             charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what
>>>>             are some uses you
>>>>             have come up with?
>>>>
>>>>             I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we
>>>>             should just be
>>>>             powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of
>>>>             ways to
>>>>             efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>>
>>>>             How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>>             influence machines
>>>>             is another interesting query as these can be voltage
>>>>             limited with GDT's
>>>>             so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v,
>>>>             suppose one could
>>>>             have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>>
>>>>             Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act
>>>>             as if there is a
>>>>             load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge
>>>>             slowly.  They may
>>>>             be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted
>>>>             back to watts.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

For experimenting, just used bottled hydrogen from welding gas 
suppliers.  Your compressor may work but the ones in the oil patch are 
special designs for the very small hydrogen gas molecule! Check: 
http://www.pdcmachines.com/alternative-energy-hydrogen-stations/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_compressor


On 10/9/2018 12:07 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> I just happen to have an old Cornelius high pressure 3000 psi, or so, 
> compressor, likely for something aviation. It is in working condition, 
> last time I fired it up, direct coupled to a hydraulic motor for 
> filling scuba tanks on my schooner.(which turned out to be silly, as 
> tanks can be filled almost anywhere for about $2, in the Caribbean)
> Now I suppose it might be able to pump hydrogen, but I don't really 
> know. Hopefully, we can test this idea as soon as I can move into my barn.
> All my junk is being put in the "little barn" upper floor, which is 
> nice and dry, though not heated, on new white steel shelving units, in 
> some semblance of order.
> We capitalized on the labour of a pair of nieces, and boyfriend, over 
> a Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.
> They did a heroic job, unpacking tons of boxes, setting up shelves, 
> and organizing the stuff, a bit, while I played stone mason, proving 
> there may be the capability of work after moving.
> I am not sure how hydrogen is to compress, but I know how to make it 
> from iron filings, and sulfuric acid, or from a Hoffman apparatus.
> I don't know about reactivity of adjacent metals regarding hydrogen, 
> as I have never compressed it.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider
>     instead of resistors is an interesting idea!
>
>     Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor
>     charging!
>     http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
>
>     Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically
>     lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW
>     output. See:
>     http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>
>     Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
>     https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
>
>     http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
>
>     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
>
>     Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the
>     Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an
>     million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the
>     Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered
>     unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so
>     lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect
>     dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries! 
>     Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC
>     electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any
>     step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici
>     Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it
>     uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or
>     dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping
>     device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
>
>
>
>     On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Should be more efficient .
>>
>>     On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         James,
>>
>>         This is an interesting way of going about it, with high
>>         voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks
>>         instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>>
>>         The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage
>>         else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged
>>         by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though
>>         the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
>>
>>
>>         On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by
>>>         dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to
>>>         dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
>>>
>>>         On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Kone,
>>>
>>>             Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly
>>>             what is the
>>>             best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>
>>>             What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller
>>>             motors?
>>>
>>>             I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck
>>>             converter then use for
>>>             charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are
>>>             some uses you
>>>             have come up with?
>>>
>>>             I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should
>>>             just be
>>>             powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of
>>>             ways to
>>>             efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>
>>>             How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>             influence machines
>>>             is another interesting query as these can be voltage
>>>             limited with GDT's
>>>             so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v,
>>>             suppose one could
>>>             have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>
>>>             Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act
>>>             as if there is a
>>>             load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge
>>>             slowly.  They may
>>>             be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted
>>>             back to watts.
>>>
>>
>
>

I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for hydrogen!  
Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!


On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
>
> I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy construction, but 
> it is steel.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider
>     instead of resistors is an interesting idea!
>
>     Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor
>     charging!
>     http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
>
>     Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically
>     lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW
>     output. See:
>     http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>
>     Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
>     https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
>
>     http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
>
>     https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
>
>     Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the
>     Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an
>     million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the
>     Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered
>     unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so
>     lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect
>     dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries! 
>     Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC
>     electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any
>     step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici
>     Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it
>     uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or
>     dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping
>     device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
>
>
>
>     On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Should be more efficient .
>>
>>     On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         James,
>>
>>         This is an interesting way of going about it, with high
>>         voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks
>>         instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>>
>>         The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage
>>         else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged
>>         by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though
>>         the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
>>
>>
>>         On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by
>>>         dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to
>>>         dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
>>>
>>>         On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Kone,
>>>
>>>             Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly
>>>             what is the
>>>             best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>
>>>             What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller
>>>             motors?
>>>
>>>             I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck
>>>             converter then use for
>>>             charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are
>>>             some uses you
>>>             have come up with?
>>>
>>>             I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should
>>>             just be
>>>             powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of
>>>             ways to
>>>             efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>
>>>             How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>             influence machines
>>>             is another interesting query as these can be voltage
>>>             limited with GDT's
>>>             so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v,
>>>             suppose one could
>>>             have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>
>>>             Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act
>>>             as if there is a
>>>             load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge
>>>             slowly.  They may
>>>             be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted
>>>             back to watts.
>>>
>>
>
>

MickWhat you are saying makes sense, but, as always, the devil is in the details.I have all sorts of motors, both DC and AC,( becoming one of those crazy old hoarders, one reads about) in my collection.I think I might need help in thinking this through, and choosing the best possibility of success.My transformer is a Varian, made for high tech scientific, military satellite down station installation, likely from the mid seventies, or early eighties. No info available on it, or any of the equipment. It is three phase, with very fat wire of a rectangular cross sectionThere are air gaps between various windings in each coil, with considered spacers separating these coils from each other, wrapped around each leg of the three core legs, as they wind one layer on top of another.Does that make sense to you?Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 5:46 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
the step down.

If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
sorting out requirements.

Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
your RV to power correct the TV.

Hope this makes sense!

On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> 100mf 4000


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MickIf I follow the drift, the transformer sets the frequency at its natural feed back loop frequency whatever that might be, as a ringing tank circuit?I am fond of pancake coils, as they are so quick and easy to make, and seem to give great action on an induction source......then to the big transformer...
Cheers Warren

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  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 5:49 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren,

Oh yeah don't try to control the TV from a function gen or a 555, try to
build a simple self tuning resonant tank.  For this type of energy to be
generated it has to be unto itself rather than pushed by an outside
force.  The pulse generator should be by virtue of the transformer in
it's own feedback loop where it is it's own transmitter and receiver. 
By this modality the proper longitudinal waves will be evident and it
will follow it's own resonant nodes rather than be forced into one.

Finesse over Force !!!

Good luck!

On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> 100mf 4000


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Norm,

Thanks, a lot of good homework here.

HV cap charging experiments results, full wave bridge rectifier no good 
only charges to about 65 volts.  1/4 wave about 500v and 1/4 wave double
diodes one per lead twice as fast to the 500v

The double diode setup will keep pumping the C1 source until overvoltage
failure condition without a sink.  Nice pump and check valve action!

Need to procure a high voltage probe to investigate more on the high side.



On 10/9/2018 6:25 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Thanks! Mick, The Dream is alive!
>
> My concept regarding the dielectric as the key to tapping the Aetheric
> field has merit! First we have to understand the Condenser from back
> in Tesla's days.  This is the most important document ever written by
> Tesla after his return from Colorado Springs. 
> http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm   To get a good
> foundation of understanding it is a must read.
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html   
> The problem in a nut shell!
>
> Maybe we should learn from Tesla!  HARP was based on Tesla's'
> understanding of the charged ionosphere and the ability of the earth
> to provide the electrons! A condenser or if you prefer, is an
> electrostatic device.
>
> So what is meant by “Burning Nitrogen”? We know we must seek to get
> our energy directly from the source. What is the source? Cosmic rays.
> How do we get their energy? We let the rays ionize our atmosphere and
> we collect the charges thus set free. But all ionizing rays have lost
> their energy in the upper regions of our atmosphere, so there is not
> enough energy in these rays left in the lower regions. Yet with high
> frequency high voltage we can lower the ionization threshold and have
> these atoms ionized. Next we collect the charges and pump them in a
> standing wave in our Earth. This energy can then be tapped everywhere
> on this planet with very simple apparatus.
> As Tesla explains on his birthday in 1932, “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May
> Transmit Power ‘Round Earth”:
>
>
> “ I will tell you in the most general way,” he said. “The cosmic ray
> ionizes the air, setting free many charges—ions and electrons. These
> charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through
> the circuit of the motor.”
>
> https://steemit.com/science/@mage00000/reading-nikola-tesla-part-15-production-of-immense-electrical-movements
>
> https://phys.org/news/2014-12-capacitors-electrical-circuits-large-scale-energy.html
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capdis.html
>
> https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor
>
> Back to the basics of charging a condenser with electrostatics!      
> It is an electrostatic device!
> <https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>
>
> If you have a high potential source then with a good earth ground
> electron source, it will inhale!
> <https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor>
>
>
>
> On 10/9/2018 4:42 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>>
>> I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
>> as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
>> Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
>> in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
>> an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
>> any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
>> tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
>> to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
>> utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
>> prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
>> words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during

>> the step down.
>>
>> If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
>> meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
>> condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
>> system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
>> running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
>> as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
>> watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
>> effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
>> can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
>> to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
>> much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
>> sorting out requirements.
>>
>> Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
>> independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
>> learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
>> your RV to power correct the TV.
>>
>> Hope this makes sense!
>>
>> On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> > 100mf 4000
>>
>
>

Warren,

Use what ya got.

Ok number one I would take that transformer and use a sine wave
generator to find the resonant points of each phase.  Map each coil
L1-L3 on paper based on the three highest gain frequencies you can find
and check their harmonics and write down the voltage differential
between the root and the 1/2 and 1/4 and 1/3 and 1/6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egDmVZ3FXP4


On 10/9/2018 8:27 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
>
> What you are saying makes sense, but, as always, the devil is in the
> details.
> I have all sorts of motors, both DC and AC,( becoming one of those
> crazy old hoarders, one reads about) in my collection.
> I think I might need help in thinking this through, and choosing the
> best possibility of success.
> My transformer is a Varian, made for high tech scientific, military
> satellite down station installation, likely from the mid seventies, or
> early eighties. No info available on it, or any of the equipment. It
> is three phase, with very fat wire of a rectangular cross section
> There are air gaps between various windings in each coil, with
> considered spacers separating these coils from each other, wrapped
> around each leg of the three core legs, as they wind one layer on top
> of another.
> Does that make sense to you?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 5:46 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hi Warren,
>
>     I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff. 
>     As far
>     as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
>     Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation
>     point
>     in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
>     an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the
>     design than
>     any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
>     tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
>     to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage
>     and then
>     utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field
>     modulation
>     prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in
>     other
>     words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
>     the step down.
>
>     If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
>     meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
>     condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
>     system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a
>     motor
>     running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator
>     functioning
>     as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
>     watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
>     effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
>     can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
>     to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
>     much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some
>     serious
>     sorting out requirements.
>
>     Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
>     independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look
>     up and
>     learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
>     your RV to power correct the TV.
>
>     Hope this makes sense!
>
>     On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     > 100mf 4000
>
>

Norm and James,

Lets take this idea to it's next logical conclusion, first divide the
voltage with a series of caps then we need a set of plates like a
variable cap we can spin with a motor.   This way we can modulate the DC
in order to feed our EM transformer with a truly longitudinal wave!


On 10/9/2018 8:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead
> of resistors is an interesting idea! 
>
> Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor
> charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
>
> Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets
> take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output.
> See:
> http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>
> Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
> https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
>
> http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
>
> Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici
> Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and
> it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator
> example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets play the
> game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage
> devider circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets
> say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This
> way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize
> the output at any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the
> Felici Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that
> it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or
> dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping
> device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
>
>
>
> On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Should be more efficient .
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>      
>>
>>     James,
>>
>>     This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage
>>     often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of
>>     resistors.  Good idea!
>>
>>     The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage
>>     else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by
>>     the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the
>>     voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
>>
>>
>>     On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping
>>>     the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a
>>>     lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
>>>
>>>     On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Kone,
>>>
>>>         Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly
>>>         what is the
>>>         best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>
>>>         What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
>>>
>>>         I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter
>>>         then use for
>>>         charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are
>>>         some uses you
>>>         have come up with?
>>>
>>>         I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
>>>         powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
>>>         efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>
>>>         How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>         influence machines
>>>         is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited
>>>         with GDT's
>>>         so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v,
>>>         suppose one could
>>>         have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>
>>>         Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if
>>>         there is a
>>>         load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge
>>>         slowly.  They may
>>>         be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back
>>>         to watts.
>>>
>>
>
>

NormanI just happen to have an old Cornelius high pressure 3000 psi, or so, compressor, likely for something aviation. It is in working condition, last time I fired it up, direct coupled to a hydraulic motor for filling scuba tanks on my schooner.(which turned out to be silly, as tanks can be filled almost anywhere for about $2, in the Caribbean)Now I suppose it might be able to pump hydrogen, but I don't really know. Hopefully, we can test this idea as soon as I can move into my barn.All my junk is being put in the "little barn" upper floor, which is nice and dry, though not heated, on new white steel shelving units, in some semblance of order. We capitalized on the labour of a pair of nieces, and  boyfriend, over a Canadian Thanksgiving weekend.They did a heroic job, unpacking tons of boxes, setting up shelves, and organizing the stuff, a bit, while I played stone mason, proving there may be the capability of work after moving.
I am not sure how hydrogen is to compress, but I know how to make it from iron filings, and sulfuric acid, or from a Hoffman apparatus.I don't know about reactivity of adjacent metals regarding hydrogen, as I have never compressed it.Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead of resistors is an interesting idea!  
 
 
Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
 
Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output. See:http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
 
 Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
 
 http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
 
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
 
 Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
 
 
 
 On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Should be more efficient .
 On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
 
 
James,
 
This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!
 
 
The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
 
 
 On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed . 
 On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Kone,
 
 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
 
 What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
 
 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
 have come up with?
 
 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
 powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
 efficiently charge these puppies.
 
 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
 is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
 
 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
 load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
 
 
     
   
 
     
   
 
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Warren,

Careful with embrittlement and steel pressure tanks!

http://www.ichs2013.com/images/papers/132.pdf


On 10/9/2018 5:00 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Norm 
>
> I have a big empty nitrogen tank
> It is steel, just like oxygen cylinders, and for that matter, although
> a different shape, the compressed natural gas cylinder is also very
> heavy steel, rated at a working pressure of 3000 lbs/ sq inch, though
> they only fill them to 2500.
> One of them might do for hydrogen, depending on the quantity needed.
> I have plenty of smaller tanks, one capable of 4000 psi, but likely
> needs a hydrostat test.
> Cheers Warren
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>
>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 2:15 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for
>     hydrogen!  Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!
>
>
>     On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
>>
>>     I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy
>>     construction, but it is steel.
>>     Cheers Warren
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>>
>>         On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider
>>         instead of resistors is an interesting idea! 
>>
>>         Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional
>>         capacitor charging!
>>         http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
>>
>>         Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging! 
>>         Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator
>>         (Example) and its 3KW output. See:
>>         http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>>
>>         Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
>>         https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
>>
>>         http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
>>
>>         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
>>
>>         Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With
>>         the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of
>>         an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As
>>         shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180
>>         KV battery powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We
>>         have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider
>>         circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the
>>         lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't
>>         be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our
>>         power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage
>>         we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic
>>         Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses
>>         HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or
>>         dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy
>>         tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Should be more efficient .
>>>
>>>         On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             James,
>>>
>>>             This is an interesting way of going about it, with high
>>>             voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks
>>>             instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>>>
>>>             The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower
>>>             voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps
>>>             can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge
>>>             diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on
>>>             the larger farad capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>             On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>             I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by
>>>>             dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4
>>>>             volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no
>>>>             transformer needed .
>>>>
>>>>             On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>                 Kone,
>>>>
>>>>                 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and
>>>>                 quickly what is the
>>>>                 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>>
>>>>                 What do you do with the output of your Konehead /
>>>>                 Muller motors?
>>>>
>>>>                 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck
>>>>                 converter then use for
>>>>                 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but
>>>>                 what are some uses you
>>>>                 have come up with?
>>>>
>>>>                 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we
>>>>                 should just be
>>>>                 powering everything off caps as there are
>>>>                 multitudes of ways to
>>>>                 efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>>
>>>>                 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>>                 influence machines
>>>>                 is another interesting query as these can be
>>>>                 voltage limited with GDT's
>>>>                 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than
>>>>                 800v, suppose one could
>>>>                 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>>
>>>>                 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and
>>>>                 act as if there is a
>>>>                 load on the source so waste lots of energy and
>>>>                 charge slowly.  They may
>>>>                 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have
>>>>                 converted back to watts.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>