Re: [EVGRAY] Cap charging and use

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Warren,

Careful with embrittlement and steel pressure tanks!

http://www.ichs2013.com/images/papers/132.pdf


On 10/9/2018 5:00 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm 
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> I have a big empty nitrogen tank
> It is steel, just like oxygen cylinders, and for that matter, although
> a different shape, the compressed natural gas cylinder is also very
> heavy steel, rated at a working pressure of 3000 lbs/ sq inch, though
> they only fill them to 2500.
> One of them might do for hydrogen, depending on the quantity needed.
> I have plenty of smaller tanks, one capable of 4000 psi, but likely
> needs a hydrostat test.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 2:15 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
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>     I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for
>     hydrogen!  Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!
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>     On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>     What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
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>>     I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy
>>     construction, but it is steel.
>>     Cheers Warren
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>>         On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>>         James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider
>>         instead of resistors is an interesting idea! 
>>
>>         Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional
>>         capacitor charging!
>>         http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
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>>         Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging! 
>>         Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator
>>         (Example) and its 3KW output. See:
>>         http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
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>>         Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:
>>         https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
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>>         http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
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>>         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
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>>         Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With
>>         the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of
>>         an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As
>>         shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180
>>         KV battery powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We
>>         have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider
>>         circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the
>>         lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't
>>         be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our
>>         power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage
>>         we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic
>>         Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses
>>         HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or
>>         dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy
>>         tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
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>>         On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>         Should be more efficient .
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>>>         On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>>              
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>>>             James,
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>>>             This is an interesting way of going about it, with high
>>>             voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks
>>>             instead of resistors.  Good idea!
>>>
>>>             The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower
>>>             voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps
>>>             can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge
>>>             diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on
>>>             the larger farad capacity.
>>>
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>>>             On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>>>             I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by
>>>>             dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4
>>>>             volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no
>>>>             transformer needed .
>>>>
>>>>             On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>                 Kone,
>>>>
>>>>                 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and
>>>>                 quickly what is the
>>>>                 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
>>>>
>>>>                 What do you do with the output of your Konehead /
>>>>                 Muller motors?
>>>>
>>>>                 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck
>>>>                 converter then use for
>>>>                 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but
>>>>                 what are some uses you
>>>>                 have come up with?
>>>>
>>>>                 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we
>>>>                 should just be
>>>>                 powering everything off caps as there are
>>>>                 multitudes of ways to
>>>>                 efficiently charge these puppies.
>>>>
>>>>                 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by
>>>>                 influence machines
>>>>                 is another interesting query as these can be
>>>>                 voltage limited with GDT's
>>>>                 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than
>>>>                 800v, suppose one could
>>>>                 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
>>>>
>>>>                 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and
>>>>                 act as if there is a
>>>>                 load on the source so waste lots of energy and
>>>>                 charge slowly.  They may
>>>>                 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have
>>>>                 converted back to watts.
>>>>
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