Cap charging and use

What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy construction, but it is steel.
Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead of resistors is an interesting idea!  
 
 
Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
 
Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output. See:http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
 
 Also, a conventional Marx generator. See:https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
 
 http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
 
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
 
 Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
 
 
 
 On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Should be more efficient .
 On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
 
 
James,
 
This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!
 
 
The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
 
 
 On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed . 
 On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Kone,
 
 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
 
 What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
 
 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
 have come up with?
 
 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
 powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
 efficiently charge these puppies.
 
 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
 is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
 
 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
 load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
 
 
     
   
 
     
   
 
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the concepts of antenna , wavelength , frequency , impedance & capacitance needs to be re-addressed under the scope or "area and mass" and phase shift tuning things along the lines of mass density  impedance ..

things i had posted quite a long time ago but few understood ! 

yes big balls are required to do it! 


(H) 

  

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Thanks! Mick, The Dream is alive!
 My concept regarding the dielectric as the key to tapping the Aetheric field has merit! First we have to understand the Condenser from back in Tesla's days.  This is the most important document ever written by Tesla after his return from Colorado Springs.  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm   To get a good foundation of understanding it is a must read.
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html    The problem in a nut shell!
 Maybe we should learn from Tesla!  HARP was based on Tesla's' understanding of the charged ionosphere and the ability of the earth to provide the electrons! A condenser or if you prefer, is an electrostatic device.
 So what is meant by “Burning Nitrogen”? We know we must seek to get our energy directly from the source. What is the source? Cosmic rays. How do we get their energy? We let the rays ionize our atmosphere and we collect the charges thus set free. But all ionizing rays have lost their energy in the upper regions of our atmosphere, so there is not enough energy in these rays left in the lower regions. Yet with high frequency high voltage we can lower the ionization threshold and have these atoms ionized. Next we collect the charges and pump them in a standing wave in our Earth. This energy can then be tapped everywhere on this planet with very simple apparatus.
 As Tesla explains on his birthday in 1932, “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power ‘Round Earth”:
 
 “ I will tell you in the most general way,” he said. “The cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges—ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor.”
 https://steemit.com/science/@mage00000/reading-nikola-tesla-part-15-production-of-immense-electrical-movements https://steemit.com/science/@mage00000/reading-nikola-tesla-part-15-production-of-immense-electrical-movements
 https://phys.org/news/2014-12-capacitors-electrical-circuits-large-scale-energy.html https://phys.org/news/2014-12-capacitors-electrical-circuits-large-scale-energy.html
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capdis.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capdis.html
 https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/whats_the_role_of_the_supercapacitor
 Back to the basics of charging a condenser with electrostatics!       It is an electrostatic device!
 If you have a high potential source then with a good earth ground electron source, it will inhale!
 
 
 

 
 On 10/9/2018 4:42 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Warren,
 
 I am taking baby steps in order to get the wheat from the chaff.  As far
 as I am aware the Smith device is like the electronic lever of
 Archimedes in which at high enough voltage there is a bifurcation point
 in order to tap earth power acting as a mirror boundary wave or rather
 an emp.  Much work is required and there is much more to the design than
 any of the so called experts have disclosed as coaxing the response is
 tricky and then controlling the type of energy produced is a challenge
 to electronic component welfare.  He was jacking up the voltage and then
 utilizing several ways to gain voltage advantage and B field modulation
 prior to stepping down for the high current lower voltages.  So in other
 words the gains made at high voltage low current are leveraged during
 the step down.
 
 If you intend to go the transverter route, this looks much easier to
 meet expectations. My suggestion would be to utilize a synchronous
 condenser.  If one looks at the Kapanadze devices in the high power
 system at the power plant and also on the island one will notice a motor
 running without a load.  I suggest this is a motor/generator functioning
 as a rotary condenser in order to change the RF reactive KVAR into
 watts.  In order to transform large amounts of energy this is a cost
 effective solution other than many caps for storage.   The transverter
 can be run as close to pure reactive as possible and then convert over
 to useful power corrected tuned to match your load.  I think this is a
 much quicker solution as the earth energy harvest still has some serious
 sorting out requirements.
 
 Norm has recently posted concerning that condenser and capacitor are
 independent definitions, hint hint... so my advice to you is look up and
 learn all your can concerning synchronous rotary condensers!  Then use
 your RV to power correct the TV.
 
 Hope this makes sense!
 
 On 10/9/2018 1:19 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...
 [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > 100mf 4000

Norm I have a big empty nitrogen tankIt is steel, just like oxygen cylinders, and for that matter, although a different shape, the compressed natural gas cylinder is also very heavy steel, rated at a working pressure of 3000 lbs/ sq inch, though they only fill them to 2500.One of them might do for hydrogen, depending on the quantity needed.I have plenty of smaller tanks, one capable of 4000 psi, but likely needs a hydrostat test.Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 2:15 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for hydrogen!  Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!
 
 
 On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
 I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy construction, but it is steel.
 Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead of resistors is an interesting idea!  
 
 
Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
 
Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output. See: http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
 
 Also, a conventional Marx generator. See: https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
 
 http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
 
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
 
 Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets  play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy  tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
 
 
 
 On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
   
    
Should be more efficient .
 On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
 
 
James,
 
This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!
 
 
The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial  pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.
 
 
 On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or  4 volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed . 
 On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Kone,
 
 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what  is the
 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
 
 What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
 
 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then  use for
 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are  some uses you
 have come up with?
 
 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
 powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
 efficiently charge these puppies.
 
 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence  machines
 is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with  GDT's
 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose  one could
 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
 
 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act  as if there is a
 load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge  slowly.  They may
 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.
 
 
     
   
 
     
   
  
       
   
 
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---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Norm  I have a big empty nitrogen tank
 It is steel, just like oxygen cylinders, and for that matter, although a different shape, the compressed natural gas cylinder is also very heavy steel, rated at a working pressure of 3000 lbs/ sq inch, though they only fill them to 2500.
 One of them might do for hydrogen, depending on the quantity needed.
 I have plenty of smaller tanks, one capable of 4000 psi, but likely needs a hydrostat test.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 2:15 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   
 I believe that the same cylinders used for nitrogen works for hydrogen!  Due to molecule size it will leak through some metals!

 
 On 10/9/2018 12:10 PM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   What material do you use as a pressure vessel for hydrogen?
 I have a compressed natural gas bottle of very heavy construction, but it is steel.
 Cheers Warren
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 On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:

   
 James! Your mention the use of caps in the NV voltage divider instead of resistors is an interesting idea!  

 Here is the problem area to be addressed in conventional capacitor charging! http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html
 Lets take a look at HV electrostatic charging!  Hypothetically lets take the Felici Electrostatic Generator (Example) and its 3KW output. See: http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm

 Also, a conventional Marx generator. See: https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/ https://www.instructables.com/id/12V-180kV-A-Battery-Powered-Marx-Generator-and-int/
 
 http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html http://danyk.cz/marx_en.html
 
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
 
 Ok! Guys, we have to think everything backwards here!  With the Felici Electrostatic Generator we have a HV potential of an million volts and it outputs 3KW in useable power. As shown in the Marx generator example with 12VDC input and 180 KV battery powered unit lets play the game backwards.  We have the HVDC already, so lets set up our voltage devider circuit so the we are in effect dividing back down to the lets say 13VDC to charge our batteries!  Don't say it can't be done.  This way we can use the HVDC electrostatic as our power source and utilize the output at any step down voltage we want.  We already know that the Felici Electrostatic Generator is doing something very unusual in that it uses HIGH PRESSURE PURE HYDROGEN GAS as its working electrolyte or dielectric media. I contend that it is an Aetheric energy tapping device!  Just think about this if you will!  Norm
 
 
 
 On 10/9/2018 1:26 AM, James Glinski jglinski01@... mailto:jglinski01@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Should be more efficient .
 On Oct 8, 2018 9:56 PM, "Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   
 James,
 This is an interesting way of going about it, with high voltage often caps are used in voltage divider networks instead of resistors.  Good idea!

 The only problem is the larger caps are usually lower voltage else very expensive and the lower voltage caps can be damaged by the initial pulse prior to charge diffusion even though the voltage does go lower based on the larger farad capacity.

 
 On 10/8/2018 1:53 PM, James Glinski jglinski01@... mailto:jglinski01@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   I would try dumping them in to much larger cap there by dropping the voltage way down say to 15.5 volts or 4 volt to dump into a lead battery or lithium .no transformer needed .
 On Oct 8, 2018 10:30 AM, "Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   Kone,
 
 Once one has a way of charging caps reliably and quickly what is the
 best way to make use of a bunch charged to 800v say?
 
 What do you do with the output of your Konehead / Muller motors?
 
 I guess one way would be to dump them into a buck converter then use for
 charging a buffer battery or supercapacitor but what are some uses you
 have come up with?
 
 I think the dream Norm had makes sense in that we should just be
 powering everything off caps as there are multitudes of ways to
 efficiently charge these puppies.
 
 How quickly conventional oil caps can be charged by influence machines
 is another interesting query as these can be voltage limited with GDT's
 so we don't blow up our run caps with more than 800v, suppose one could
 have a long line of these charged quickly indeed?
 
 Don't bother with electrolytic they truly suck and act as if there is a
 load on the source so waste lots of energy and charge slowly.  They may
 be ok for lower voltage buffers one we have converted back to watts.