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2018-07-08T13:17:00-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points 
on a copper bar conductor??


On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
> Norm
>
> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>
> Jim

[2/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-08T20:30:59-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>

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Norm,

Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
therefore acting like a  ground pumping "graser"

The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.

The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
the base therefore something that could be saturated.  The slots in the
base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
the idea was to run this near or into saturation.

Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.

On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points 
> on a copper bar conductor??
>
>
> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>> Norm
>>
>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------
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> Yahoo Groups Links
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[3/18] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-09T01:34:45+00:00 · onielsen2000 <[email protected]>

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"Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points 
 on a copper bar conductor??"

With the return path of the current it is a transmission line or a one turn coil. Thinking in DC circuits a copper bar is a short after the initial transient pulse or just a good conductor having almost the same tension all along its length. In AC circuits of high frequency or in pulsed DC circuits of high frequency the waves are shorter than the length of the copper bar as the velocity of the waves prevents a pulse or wave to reach the opposite end before the next pulse or wave is transmitted.

Source: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Light_and_Other_High_Frequency_Phenomena https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Light_and_Other_High_Frequency_Phenomena

In the above figure of Tesla's experiment B and B' are the copper bars forming a transmission line. The reflections are different for shorted and open ends. A shorted end gives inverted voltage reflections while an open end gives inverted current reflections. When the load at the far end (top) is of the same impedance as that of the transmission line there will be no reflection from this end as all power reaching that far is then absorbed. The other loads can still reflect some of the signal if not impedance matched to the transmission line impedance.

An analysis on this experiment: https://waveguide.blog/brief-history-tesla-hairpin-circuit-stout-copper-bars/ https://waveguide.blog/brief-history-tesla-hairpin-circuit-stout-copper-bars/

Reflections on an open ended transmission line:
http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_open_logo.gif http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_open_logo.gif 

Reflections on a shorted end transmission line:
http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_short_logo.gif http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_short_logo.gif

The green waves are the forward waves from the generator and the gray waves are the reflected waves. The red and blue standing waves are the resultant waves formed by superposition of the forward and reflected waves. By placing a load between the voltage and current notes power can be transferred to that load if it is of proper impedance as shown by Tesla.

For more animations of transmission lines go down to Topic 4 -- Transmission Lines here: http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem.htm http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem.htm

Regards
Ole

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points 
 on a copper bar conductor??

 On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
 > Norm
 >
 > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
 >
 > Jim

[4/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-09T07:10:38-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained 
that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back 
to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained. 
(Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an 
order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma 
state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol

Norm


On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm,
>
> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>
> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>
> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>
> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>
> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo Groups Links
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[5/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-09T07:22:18-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thank You Ole for that very informative piece on Tesla's early 
understanding of the transmission line theory.  The first brush that I 
had with this idea was when I read Margarett Cheney's book Man Out Of 
Time, where Tesla was demonstrating this with an incandescent bulb 
sliding along a long copper bar fed with high freq AC. The bulb would 
light at the nodal points along the bar. Thank You again Ole for an 
excellent piece.


On 7/8/2018 8:34 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> "Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
> on a copper bar conductor??"
>
> With the return path of the current it is a transmission line or a one 
> turn coil. Thinking in DC circuits a copper bar is a short after the 
> initial transient pulse or just a good conductor having almost the 
> same tension all along its length. In AC circuits of high frequency or 
> in pulsed DC circuits of high frequency the waves are shorter than the 
> length of the copper bar as the velocity of the waves prevents a pulse 
> or wave to reach the opposite end before the next pulse or wave is 
> transmitted.
>
> Tesla - On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomena - Figure 19-183.gif
> Source: 
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Light_and_Other_High_Frequency_Phenomena
>
> In the above figure of Tesla's experiment B and B' are the copper bars 
> forming a transmission line. The reflections are different for shorted 
> and open ends. A shorted end gives inverted voltage reflections while 
> an open end gives inverted current reflections. When the load at the 
> far end (top) is of the same impedance as that of the transmission 
> line there will be no reflection from this end as all power reaching 
> that far is then absorbed. The other loads can still reflect some of 
> the signal if not impedance matched to the transmission line impedance.
>
> An analysis on this experiment: 
> https://waveguide.blog/brief-history-tesla-hairpin-circuit-stout-copper-bars/
>
> Reflections on an open ended transmission line:
> http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_open_logo.gif
>
> http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_open_logo.gif
>
> Reflections on a shorted end transmission line:
> http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_short_logo.gif
>
> http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem/TLStandingWave_short_logo.gif
> The green waves are the forward waves from the generator and the gray 
> waves are the reflected waves. The red and blue standing waves are the 
> resultant waves formed by superposition of the forward and reflected 
> waves. By placing a load between the voltage and current notes power 
> can be transferred to that load if it is of proper impedance as shown 
> by Tesla.
>
> For more animations of transmission lines go down to *Topic 4 -- 
> Transmission Lines* here: http://emlab.utep.edu/ee4347appliedem.htm
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
> on a copper bar conductor??
>
>
>     On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>     > Norm
>     >
>     > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>     >
>     > Jim 
>
>

[6/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-09T20:11:50-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
from the perturbed aether.  Pertubation pumps  Explains what Don Smith
was going on about with the plasma tubes.

Now how  bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
well maybe you have...


On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained 
> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back 
> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained. 
> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an 
> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma 
> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>
> Norm
>
>
> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Norm,
>>
>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>
>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>
>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>
>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>
>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>> Norm
>>>>
>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[7/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-10T07:51:21-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase 
change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether 
(pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol


On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>
> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
> well maybe you have...
>
>
> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>
>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>
>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>
>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>
>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>> Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>
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>>>
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[8/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-10T14:01:09-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>

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Norm,

That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
large capacitor plates?

Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!

I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
magneto electric and superlight.  Is this digitized or in large paper files?

Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
again?  I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.

Ice in the desert from a  black body, talk about a brain massage.  How
to Q switch a blackbody radiator...  Black on one side silver the other
and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
ice in the desert!


On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase 
> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether 
> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>
>
> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>
>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>> well maybe you have...
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>
>>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>
>>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>
>>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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[9/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-11T02:10:45+00:00 · james glinski <[email protected]>

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According to John Bedini in his vid ...you can pull unlimited power from
multiple nodes you just find and put in a coil and a cap ? I forgot .but it
was unlimited .that demo with the copper pipes only shows a small part of
what's going on .
On Jul 10, 2018 4:01 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Norm,
>
> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
> large capacitor plates?
>
> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole
> diner!
>
> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
> magneto electric and superlight.  Is this digitized or in large paper
> files?
>
> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
> again?  I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>
> Ice in the desert from a  black body, talk about a brain massage.  How
> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...  Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
> ice in the desert!
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
> > change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
> > (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
> >
> >
> > On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
> >> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don
> Smith
> >> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
> >>
> >> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with
> photons
> >> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
> >> well maybe you have...
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I
> explained
> >>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
> >>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally
> unexplained.
> >>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor
> of an
> >>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
> >>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke
> that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
> >>>
> >>> Norm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >>>> Norm,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
> >>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
> >>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
> >>>>
> >>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
> >>>>
> >>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
> >>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
> >>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in
> the
> >>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
> >>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
> >>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube
> near
> >>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> >>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal
> points
> >>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
> >>>>>> Norm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
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2018-07-11T08:40:02-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Norm,

Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
must interject as ions are different from electrons.  A cation or anion
both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.   Even if
they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...  Just attempting to
digest your meaning accurately.

Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for
the ice.  Was really stuck on that.   Now if one were to devise a funnel
shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or a
thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in
the hot sun.  If it was large enough it could make ice.

Ok back to studying your post.


On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for
> this discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering
> dissertation titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for
> KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The main understanding derived from paper is the fact
> that heating is caused by positive ionization of a mass. The object
> becomes hot due to the ejection of lattice electrons which manifest as
> photons in the IR band of energy. Cooling is just the opposite in that
> as a mass gains electrons it becomes cold due to electron packing in
> the atomic lattice. This explains the formation of ice at the phase
> change of water at 0 C. The electron packing causes a molecular
> re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water. If taken all
> the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach total
> saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this
> concept for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production.
> Tesla's thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got
> involved with superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into
> Tesla at the Patent process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize
> a mass it will go cold. If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½
> The argument of which has more energy arieses since we are lead to
> believe that heat is more energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the holes
> in an atomic lattice has more power than a lattice packed with
> electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood the power of a cold sink.
> Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½ Simple, for on totally
> clear skys over the desert at night, the gross radiation into space of
> IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body radiator plate will
> reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the rapidity of
> the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross negative
> state, cold.ï¿½ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A surface
> coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night due
> to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature
> before the inversion takes place.ï¿½
>
> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This
> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in
> the IR band.
>
> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>
> Mick, Your quote "
>
>  Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks
> Radiometer, which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>
> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the
> dielectric media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand
> dielectric displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as
> we are learning about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we
> need a material that has a super high electrical stand off coefficient
> and at the same time is a perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½ Electrical
> conductivity vs thermal conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that
> statement for this is your ion pump. In my paper I discuss the age old
> paradox in Thermodynamics in Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there isï¿½
> clear and carefully studied phenomenon of excess energy at the phase
> change of water from gas to liquid states.ï¿½ If you study the phase
> change from a plasma back to a gas state you will find an order of
> magnitude of excess energy at this phase change point. This is where
> we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect studies that
> yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).ï¿½
>
> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf
> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>
> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>
> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>
> Italian National Research Council
> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier
> Discharges or ns discharges.
> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of
> the discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration
> between the electron gas and heavy particles.
> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
> deposition area.ï¿½
> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there
> are commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>
> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.ï¿½
> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind
> (proven, I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold
> electricity. A unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create
> heating. It is all in the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a
> unidirectional pulse train of negative discharge will create frost due
> the gross negative ionization effect. (electron packing in atomic
> lattices). Some Tesla coil experimenters have seen frost at the base
> of a Tesla coil running when a circulating field of negative ionized
> air causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If you want to see a real ice
> maker, just drive your primary coil with unidirectional negative DC
> pulses and vola! you have ice.
>
> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy
> (EMP) we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold
> electricity phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other
> research into this came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of
> energy to make it interface with our standard electricity (Electro
> Magnetic). As I see it the two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro
> magnetic energy is explosive in nature with energy propagated out
> wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal) (HEAT).ï¿½ On the other hand magneto
> electric is an implosive (vacuum) event (Centripetal).(COLD).
> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Norm,
>>
>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>> large capacitor plates?
>>
>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>
>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>
>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>
>> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>> ice in the desert!
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase 
>>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether 
>>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>>
>>>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>>> well maybe you have...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[11/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm [1 Attachment]

2018-07-11T09:41:27-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or
negatively. So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather
sourcing or sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative
ionization potential.   Is this correct?

Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect
in that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether.  A field
perturbation between energy states  that the photon is a result of. Be
it the heating of an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source
and sink- all I have so far.  Will keep on it.

Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching
yesterday I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to
dipole moment reversing spin but can't find the reference again.


On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-electrons-and-photons-interactï¿½
> Put some thought into this!
>
>
> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet
>> but must interject as ions are different from electrons.ï¿½ A cation
>> or anion both are charged molecules rather than only the
>> electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ Even if they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I
>> think...ï¿½ Just attempting to digest your meaning accurately.
>>
>> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for
>> the ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now if one were to devise
>> a funnel shape black body system with a really good insulator like
>> aerogel or a thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to
>> create a natural vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce
>> serious cooling in the hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could
>> make ice.
>>
>> Ok back to studying your post.
>>
>>
>> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for
>>> this discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering
>>> dissertation titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for
>>> KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The main understanding derived from paper is the
>>> fact that heating is caused by positive ionization of a mass. The
>>> object becomes hot due to the ejection of lattice electrons which
>>> manifest as photons in the IR band of energy. Cooling is just the
>>> opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes cold due to
>>> electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the formation
>>> of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
>>> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of
>>> water. If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron
>>> packing will reach total saturation (gross negative) and all
>>> Browning motion ceases for there is no mean free path for electrons
>>> to move. Tesla understood this concept for he was fascinated with
>>> the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's thoughts were of a
>>> superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
>>> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the
>>> Patent process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it
>>> will go cold. If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The
>>> argument of which has more energy arieses since we are lead to
>>> believe that heat is more energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the
>>> holes in an atomic lattice has more power than a lattice packed with
>>> electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood the power of a cold sink.
>>> Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½ Simple, for on totally
>>> clear skys over the desert at night, the gross radiation into space
>>> of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body radiator plate
>>> will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
>>> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
>>> negative state, cold.ï¿½ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½
>>> A surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at
>>> night due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of
>>> outer space. Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest
>>> temperature before the inversion takes place.ï¿½
>>>
>>> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
>>> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This
>>> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons
>>> in the IR band.
>>>
>>> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>>>
>>> Mick, Your quote "
>>>
>>>  Black on one side silver the other
>>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>>> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks
>>> Radiometer, which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>>>
>>> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma
>>> state back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the
>>> dielectric media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand
>>> dielectric displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just
>>> as we are learning about how thermal junctions work, we learn that
>>> we need a material that has a super high electrical stand off
>>> coefficient and at the same time is a perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½
>>> Electrical conductivity vs thermal conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought
>>> into that statement for this is your ion pump. In my paper I discuss
>>> the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where
>>> there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied phenomenon of excess energy
>>> at the phase change of water from gas to liquid states.ï¿½ If you
>>> study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state you will
>>> find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
>>> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation
>>> re-connect studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold
>>> electricity).ï¿½
>>>
>>> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf
>>> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>>> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>>>
>>> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>>>
>>> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>>>
>>> Italian National Research Council
>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>>> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low
>>> pressure discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric
>>> Barrier Discharges or ns discharges.
>>> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It
>>> is produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The
>>> time of the discharge must be quite long, in order to have
>>> equilibration between the electron gas and heavy particles.
>>> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
>>> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
>>> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
>>> deposition area.ï¿½
>>> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
>>> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
>>> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there
>>> are commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>>>
>>> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real
>>> interesting.ï¿½ Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a
>>> cold ionic wind (proven, I have one operating as we speak) we see
>>> our example of cold electricity. A unidirectional pulse of positive
>>> charge will create heating. It is all in the direction of
>>> ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of negative
>>> discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
>>> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
>>> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running
>>> when a circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling
>>> effect.ï¿½ If you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your
>>> primary coil with unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you
>>> have ice.
>>>
>>> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy
>>> (EMP) we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold
>>> electricity phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other
>>> research into this came to a dead end on ways to convert this form
>>> of energy to make it interface with our standard electricity
>>> (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the two are just the opposite.ï¿½
>>> Electro magnetic energy is explosive in nature with energy
>>> propagated out wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal) (HEAT).ï¿½ On the
>>> other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum) event
>>> (Centripetal).(COLD).
>>> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>>>> large capacitor plates?
>>>>
>>>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>>>
>>>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>>>> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>>>
>>>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>>>> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>>>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>>>
>>>> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>>>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>>>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>>>> ice in the desert!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase 
>>>>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether 
>>>>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>>>>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>>>>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>>>>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>>>>> well maybe you have...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>>>>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>>>>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>>>>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>>>>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>>>>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>>>>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>>>>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>>>>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>>>>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>>>>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>>>>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>>>>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>>>>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>>>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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[12/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-11T10:01:24-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this 
discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation 
titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The main 
understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by 
positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the 
ejection of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band 
of energy. Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains 
electrons it becomes cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. 
This explains the formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. 
The electron packing causes a molecular re-configuration of the 
fundamental structure of water. If taken all the way down to absolute 
zero, the electron packing will reach total saturation (gross negative) 
and all Browning motion ceases for there is no mean free path for 
electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept for he was fascinated 
with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's thoughts were of a 
superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with 
superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the 
Patent process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go 
cold. If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument of which 
has more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more 
energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more 
power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood 
the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½ 
Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross 
radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body 
radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is 
the rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross 
negative state, cold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A 
surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night 
due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer 
space. Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature 
before the inversion takes place.

Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where 
temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This 
stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in 
the IR band.

Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm

Mick, Your quote "

  Black on one side silver the other
and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle

You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer, 
which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.

Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state 
back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric 
media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand dielectric 
displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as we are 
learning about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a 
material that has a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at 
the same time is a perfect thermal conductor. Electrical conductivity vs 
thermal conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that statement for this is 
your ion pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in 
Thermodynamics in Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there isï¿½ clear and 
carefully studied phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of 
water from gas to liquid states.ï¿½ If you study the phase change from a 
plasma back to a gas state you will find an order of magnitude of excess 
energy at this phase change point. This is where we get into the 
magnetic flux annihilation re-connect studies that yield the EMP that is 
Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).

http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows

https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)

https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/

Italian National Research Council 
<https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure 
discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges 
or ns discharges.
Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is 
produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of 
the discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between 
the electron gas and heavy particles.
 From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with 
different substrates and for different applications.
The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the 
deposition area.
Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an 
example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.
In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are 
commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.

We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.ï¿½ 
Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind 
(proven, I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold 
electricity. A unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create 
heating. It is all in the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a 
unidirectional pulse train of negative discharge will create frost due 
the gross negative ionization effect. (electron packing in atomic 
lattices). Some Tesla coil experimenters have seen frost at the base of 
a Tesla coil running when a circulating field of negative ionized air 
causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If you want to see a real ice maker, just 
drive your primary coil with unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! 
you have ice.

Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy 
(EMP) we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity 
phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this 
came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it 
interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it 
the two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro magnetic energy is explosive in 
nature with energy propagated out wards, pressure (Centrifugal) (HEAT).ï¿½ 
On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum) event 
(Centripetal).(COLD).
Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm

On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm,
>
> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
> large capacitor plates?
>
> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>
> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>
> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>
> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
> ice in the desert!
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>
>>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>> well maybe you have...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>>
>>>> Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>>
>>>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>>
>>>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
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[13/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-11T10:28:40-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Ole gave us a perfect contribution as to the standing wave effect and 
transmission line theory!  Good stuff.


On 7/10/2018 9:10 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> According to John Bedini in his vid ...you can pull unlimited power 
> from multiple nodes you just find and put in a coil and a cap ? I 
> forgot .but it was unlimited .that demo with the copper pipes only 
> shows a small part of what's going on .
>
> On Jul 10, 2018 4:01 PM, "Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Norm,
>
>     That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this
>     energy, just
>     large capacitor plates?
>
>     Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the
>     whole diner!
>
>     I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>     magneto electric and superlight.  Is this digitized or in large
>     paper files?
>
>     Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>     again?  I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>     investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>
>     Ice in the desert from a  black body, talk about a brain massage.  How
>     to Q switch a blackbody radiator...  Black on one side silver the
>     other
>     and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how
>     to make
>     ice in the desert!
>
>
>     On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     > Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas
>     phase
>     > change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of
>     aether
>     > (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>     >
>     >
>     > On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     >> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a
>     surplus
>     >> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains
>     what Don Smith
>     >> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>     >>
>     >> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen
>     with photons
>     >> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not
>     heard of it,
>     >> well maybe you have...
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     >>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is
>     Heat, I explained
>     >>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water
>     vapor back
>     >>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally
>     unexplained.
>     >>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an
>     over-unity factor of an
>     >>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a
>     plasma
>     >>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke
>     that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>     >>>
>     >>> Norm
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     >>>> Norm,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil
>     is not
>     >>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over
>     saturation,
>     >>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>     >>>>
>     >>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla
>     coil called
>     >>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and
>     slotted at
>     >>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The
>     slots in the
>     >>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to
>     indicate
>     >>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the
>     energy if
>     >>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas
>     tube near
>     >>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     >>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the
>     nodal points
>     >>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>     >>>>>> Norm
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Jim
>     >>>>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
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>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>
>     >>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> ------------------------------------
>     >>>
>     >>> Yahoo Groups Links
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
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>     >>
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>     >> Yahoo Groups Links
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[14/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm [1 Attachment]

2018-07-11T10:59:34-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <[email protected]>

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-electrons-and-photons-interact 
Put some thought into this!


On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but 
> must interject as ions are different from electrons.ï¿½ A cation or 
> anion both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ 
> Even if they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...ï¿½ Just 
> attempting to digest your meaning accurately.
>
> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for 
> the ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now if one were to devise a 
> funnel shape black body system with a really good insulator like 
> aerogel or a thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to 
> create a natural vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce 
> serious cooling in the hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could make ice.
>
> Ok back to studying your post.
>
>
> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for 
>> this discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering 
>> dissertation titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for 
>> KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The main understanding derived from paper is the fact 
>> that heating is caused by positive ionization of a mass. The object 
>> becomes hot due to the ejection of lattice electrons which manifest 
>> as photons in the IR band of energy. Cooling is just the opposite in 
>> that as a mass gains electrons it becomes cold due to electron 
>> packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the formation of ice at 
>> the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing causes a 
>> molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water. If 
>> taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will 
>> reach total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion 
>> ceases for there is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla 
>> understood this concept for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid 
>> Air production. Tesla's thoughts were of a superconducting primary 
>> coil. IBM Corp got involved with superconductivity in solid state 
>> circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, 
>> if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold. If you ionize a mass 
>> positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument of which has more energy 
>> arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more energetic that 
>> cold.ï¿½ That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more power 
>> than a lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood 
>> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the 
>> desert.ï¿½ Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at 
>> night, the gross radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a 
>> near perfect black body radiator plate will reach temperatures far 
>> below the ambient air. It is the rapidity of the thermal loss that 
>> causes the plate to go to a gross negative state, cold.ï¿½ 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A surface coated with 
>> this will make ice under clear desert skies at night due to the super 
>> emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space. Remember! 
>> That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before the 
>> inversion takes place.ï¿½
>>
>> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where 
>> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This 
>> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons 
>> in the IR band.
>>
>> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>>
>> Mick, Your quote "
>>
>>   Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks 
>> Radiometer, which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>>
>> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma 
>> state back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the 
>> dielectric media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand 
>> dielectric displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just 
>> as we are learning about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we 
>> need a material that has a super high electrical stand off 
>> coefficient and at the same time is a perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½ 
>> Electrical conductivity vs thermal conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought 
>> into that statement for this is your ion pump. In my paper I discuss 
>> the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where 
>> there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied phenomenon of excess energy 
>> at the phase change of water from gas to liquid states.ï¿½ If you 
>> study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state you will 
>> find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change 
>> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation 
>> re-connect studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold 
>> electricity).ï¿½
>>
>> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf
>> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>>
>> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>>
>> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>>
>> Italian National Research Council 
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low 
>> pressure discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric 
>> Barrier Discharges or ns discharges.
>> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is 
>> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time 
>> of the discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration 
>> between the electron gas and heavy particles.
>> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with 
>> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
>> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the 
>> deposition area.ï¿½
>> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an 
>> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
>> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there 
>> are commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>>
>> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real 
>> interesting.ï¿½ Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a 
>> cold ionic wind (proven, I have one operating as we speak) we see our 
>> example of cold electricity. A unidirectional pulse of positive 
>> charge will create heating. It is all in the direction of 
>> ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of negative 
>> discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization effect. 
>> (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil experimenters 
>> have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a 
>> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling 
>> effect.ï¿½ If you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your 
>> primary coil with unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you 
>> have ice.
>>
>> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy 
>> (EMP) we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold 
>> electricity phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other 
>> research into this came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of 
>> energy to make it interface with our standard electricity (Electro 
>> Magnetic). As I see it the two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro 
>> magnetic energy is explosive in nature with energy propagated out 
>> wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal) (HEAT).ï¿½ On the other hand magneto 
>> electric is an implosive (vacuum) event (Centripetal).(COLD).
>> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>>> large capacitor plates?
>>>
>>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>>
>>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>>> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>>
>>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>>> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>>
>>> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>>> ice in the desert!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman [email protected]  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>>>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>>>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, [email protected]  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>>>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>>>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>>>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>>>> well maybe you have...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman [email protected]  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>>>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>>>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>>>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>>>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>>>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, [email protected]  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>> Norm,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>>>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>>>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>>>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>>>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>>>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>>>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>>>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>>>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman [email protected]  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>>>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Norm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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[15/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm [1 Attachment]

2018-07-11T17:46:22+00:00 · james glinski <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <CA+uJ=nen+F4R9peQd4pXon4L-hBN4yOy89A=CH1c5pEwvM_W1g@mail.gmail.com>

Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling  with
unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply cheaply
not soild state ?
On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
> sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or negatively.
> So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or
> sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative ionization
> potential.   Is this correct?
>
> Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect in
> that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether.  A field perturbation
> between energy states  that the photon is a result of. Be it the heating of
> an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source and sink- all I have
> so far.  Will keep on it.
>
> Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching yesterday
> I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to dipole moment
> reversing spin but can't find the reference again.
>
> On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-
> electrons-and-photons-interactï¿½ Put some thought into this!
>
> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> ï¿½
>
> Norm,
>
> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
> must interject as ions are different from electrons.ï¿½ A cation or anion
> both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ Even if
> they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...ï¿½ Just attempting to
> digest your meaning accurately.
>
> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for the
> ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now if one were to devise a funnel
> shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or a
> thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
> vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in the
> hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could make ice.
>
> Ok back to studying your post.
>
> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> ï¿½
>
> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this
> discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation
> titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The
> main understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by
> positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the ejection
> of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band of energy.
> Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes
> cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the
> formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water.
> If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach
> total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept
> for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's
> thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent
> process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
> If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument of which has
> more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more
> energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more
> power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood
> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½
> Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross
> radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body
> radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
> negative state, cold.ï¿½ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A
> surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night
> due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before
> the inversion takes place.ï¿½
>
> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This
> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in the
> IR band.
>
> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>
> Mick, Your quote "
>
>  Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>
> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer,
> which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>
> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric
> media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand dielectric
> displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as we are learning
> about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a material that has
> a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at the same time is a
> perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½ Electrical conductivity vs thermal
> conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that statement for this is your ion
> pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in
> Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied
> phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to liquid
> states.ï¿½ If you study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state
> you will find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect
> studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).ï¿½
>
> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/
> papers17/lebedev2.pdf
> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-
> magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-
> supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>
> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>
> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>
> Italian National Research Council
> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges or
> ns discharges.
> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of the
> discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
> electron gas and heavy particles.
> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
> deposition area.ï¿½
> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are
> commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>
> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.ï¿½
> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind (proven,
> I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
> unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create heating. It is all in
> the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of
> negative discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a
> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If
> you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your primary coil with
> unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>
> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy (EMP)
> we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity
> phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this
> came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
> interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the
> two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro magnetic energy is explosive in
> nature with energy propagated out wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal)
> (HEAT).ï¿½ On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
> event (Centripetal).(COLD).
> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
> large capacitor plates?
>
> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>
> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>
> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>
> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
> ice in the desert!
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>
>
> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>
> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
> well maybe you have...
>
>
> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>
> Norm
>
>
> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>
> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>
> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>
> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>
> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
> on a copper bar conductor??
>
>
> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>
> Norm
>
> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>
> Jim
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2018-07-11T21:10:55-05:00 · Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

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James! Just go on the internet and order a Negative ion Generator kit 
for they all produce a cold ion wind at the output spike.  It only takes 
a small 3KVDC (-) negative power supply to give you what you are looking 
for.


On 7/11/2018 8:05 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm  I was thinking along the lines of a coil that would get cold 
> frosty . ?
>
> On Jul 11, 2018 12:51 PM, "James Glinski [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling  with
>     unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply
>     cheaply not soild state ?
>
>     On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>         Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass
>         from either sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore
>         positively ionized or negatively. So it is not necessarily
>         sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or sinking
>         electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative
>         ionization potential.   Is this correct?
>
>         Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct
>         disconnect in that classical quantum mechanics denies the
>         aether.  A field perturbation between energy states  that the
>         photon is a result of. Be it the heating of an incandescent
>         element or cooling of a plasma- source and sink- all I have so
>         far.  Will keep on it.
>
>         Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was
>         researching yesterday I think I read that the emission vs
>         absorption correlates to dipole moment reversing spin but
>         can't find the reference again.
>
>
>         On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>         https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-electrons-and-photons-interact
>>         <https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-electrons-and-photons-interact>ï¿½
>>         Put some thought into this!
>>
>>
>>         On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>         ï¿½
>>>
>>>         Norm,
>>>
>>>         Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent
>>>         post yet but must interject as ions are different from
>>>         electrons.ï¿½ A cation or anion both are charged molecules
>>>         rather than only the electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ Even if they are
>>>         ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...ï¿½ Just
>>>         attempting to digest your meaning accurately.
>>>
>>>         Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime
>>>         thinking for the ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now
>>>         if one were to devise a funnel shape black body system with
>>>         a really good insulator like aerogel or a thermos vacuum
>>>         design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
>>>         vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious
>>>         cooling in the hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could
>>>         make ice.
>>>
>>>         Ok back to studying your post.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>         ï¿½
>>>>
>>>>         Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers
>>>>         here for this discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers
>>>>         around my wandering dissertation titled What is Heat
>>>>         written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The main
>>>>         understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating
>>>>         is caused by positive ionization of a mass. The object
>>>>         becomes hot due to the ejection of lattice electrons which
>>>>         manifest as photons in the IR band of energy. Cooling is
>>>>         just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it
>>>>         becomes cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice.
>>>>         This explains the formation of ice at the phase change of
>>>>         water at 0 C. The electron packing causes a molecular
>>>>         re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water. If
>>>>         taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron
>>>>         packing will reach total saturation (gross negative) and
>>>>         all Browning motion ceases for there is no mean free path
>>>>         for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept for he
>>>>         was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production.
>>>>         Tesla's thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil.
>>>>         IBM Corp got involved with superconductivity in solid state
>>>>         circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent process.ï¿½ï¿½
>>>>         Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
>>>>         If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument
>>>>         of which has more energy arieses since we are lead to
>>>>         believe that heat is more energetic that cold.ï¿½ That
>>>>         means the holes in an atomic lattice has more power than a
>>>>         lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally
>>>>         understood the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make
>>>>         ice in the desert.ï¿½ Simple, for on totally clear skys
>>>>         over the desert at night, the gross radiation into space of
>>>>         IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body radiator
>>>>         plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It
>>>>         is the rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate
>>>>         to go to a gross negative state, cold.ï¿½
>>>>         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack
>>>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack>ï¿½ A surface
>>>>         coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at
>>>>         night due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold
>>>>         sink of outer space. Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we
>>>>         have the lowest temperature before the inversion takes
>>>>         place.ï¿½
>>>>
>>>>         Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere
>>>>         where temperatures have reached the minimum then start
>>>>         climbing.ï¿½ This stratosphere base is the cold sink
>>>>         receptor for the emitted photons in the IR band.
>>>>
>>>>         Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>>>>
>>>>         Mick, Your quote "
>>>>
>>>>           Black on one side silver the other
>>>>         and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>>>>         You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks
>>>>         Radiometer, which really fascinated Tesla over just how it
>>>>         works.
>>>>
>>>>         Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from
>>>>         plasma state back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be
>>>>         done with the dielectric media vs large capacitor
>>>>         plates.ï¿½ Please understand dielectric displacement is
>>>>         where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as we are learning
>>>>         about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a
>>>>         material that has a super high electrical stand off
>>>>         coefficient and at the same time is a perfect thermal
>>>>         conductor.ï¿½ Electrical conductivity vs thermal
>>>>         conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that statement for
>>>>         this is your ion pump. In my paper I discuss the age old
>>>>         paradox in Thermodynamics in Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where
>>>>         there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied phenomenon of
>>>>         excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to
>>>>         liquid states.ï¿½ If you study the phase change from a
>>>>         plasma back to a gas state you will find an order of
>>>>         magnitude of excess energy at this phase change point. This
>>>>         is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation
>>>>         re-connect studies that yield the EMP that is
>>>>         Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).ï¿½
>>>>
>>>>         http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf
>>>>         <http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/papers17/lebedev2.pdf>
>>>>         https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>>>>         <https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12>
>>>>         https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>>>>         <https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows>
>>>>
>>>>         https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>>>>         <https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_%28types_of_plasma%29>
>>>>
>>>>         https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>>>>
>>>>         Italian National Research Council
>>>>         <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>>>>         Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in
>>>>         low pressure discharges or in short pulse discharges as
>>>>         Dielectric Barrier Discharges or ns discharges.
>>>>         Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with
>>>>         Te~Tgas. It is produced in plasma torches or in high
>>>>         pressure discharges. The time of the discharge must be
>>>>         quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
>>>>         electron gas and heavy particles.
>>>>         From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used,
>>>>         but with different substrates and for different
>>>>         applications.ï¿½
>>>>         The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the
>>>>         size of the deposition area.ï¿½
>>>>         Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important
>>>>         role. As an example ion bombardment is used for the so
>>>>         called plasma etching.ï¿½
>>>>         In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject,
>>>>         and there are commercial systems for both cold and thermal
>>>>         plasmas.
>>>>
>>>>         We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real
>>>>         interesting.ï¿½ Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse
>>>>         creates a cold ionic wind (proven, I have one operating as
>>>>         we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
>>>>         unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create
>>>>         heating. It is all in the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes!
>>>>         Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of negative discharge
>>>>         will create frost due the gross negative ionization effect.
>>>>         (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
>>>>         experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil
>>>>         running when a circulating field of negative ionized air
>>>>         causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If you want to see a real
>>>>         ice maker, just drive your primary coil with unidirectional
>>>>         negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>>>>
>>>>         Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto
>>>>         Electric energy (EMP) we need to learn how to capture and
>>>>         harness this cold electricity phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd
>>>>         Sweet VTA and many other research into this came to a dead
>>>>         end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
>>>>         interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic).
>>>>         As I see it the two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro
>>>>         magnetic energy is explosive in nature with energy
>>>>         propagated out wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal) (HEAT)..ï¿½
>>>>         On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
>>>>         event (Centripetal).(COLD).
>>>>         Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>         Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>>         That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>>>>>         large capacitor plates?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>>>>
>>>>>         I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>>>>>         magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>>>>>         again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>>>>>         investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>>>>>         to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>>>>>         and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>>>>>         ice in the desert!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>         Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>>>>>>         change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>>>>>>         (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>         Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>>>>>>         from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>>>>>>         was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>>>>>>         dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>>>>>>         well maybe you have...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>         Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>>>>>>>         that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>>>>>>>         to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>>>>>>>         (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>>>>>>>         order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>>>>>>>         state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Norm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         Norm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>>>>>>>>         only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>>>>>>>>         therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>>>>>>>>         for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>>>>>>>>         the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>>>>>>>>         base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>>>>>>>>         the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>>>>>>>>         there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>>>>>>>>         break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>>>>>>>>>         on a copper bar conductor??
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>>>>>>>>>>         On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>         Norm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
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[17/18] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: STANDING WAVE - Fourth Harmonic.htm

2018-07-12T01:05:38+00:00 · james glinski <[email protected]>

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Norm  I was thinking along the lines of a coil that would get cold frosty .
?
On Jul 11, 2018 12:51 PM, "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling  with
> unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply cheaply
> not soild state ?
> On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
>> sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or negatively.
>> So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or
>> sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative ionization
>> potential.   Is this correct?
>>
>> Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect in
>> that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether.  A field perturbation
>> between energy states  that the photon is a result of. Be it the heating of
>> an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source and sink- all I have
>> so far.  Will keep on it.
>>
>> Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching yesterday
>> I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to dipole moment
>> reversing spin but can't find the reference again.
>>
>> On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-ele
>> ctrons-and-photons-interactï¿½ Put some thought into this!
>>
>> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
>> must interject as ions are different from electrons.ï¿½ A cation or anion
>> both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ Even if
>> they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...ï¿½ Just attempting to
>> digest your meaning accurately.
>>
>> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for the
>> ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now if one were to devise a funnel
>> shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or a
>> thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
>> vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in the
>> hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could make ice.
>>
>> Ok back to studying your post.
>>
>> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this
>> discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation
>> titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The
>> main understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by
>> positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the ejection
>> of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band of energy.
>> Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes
>> cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the
>> formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
>> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water.
>> If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach
>> total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
>> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept
>> for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's
>> thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
>> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent
>> process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
>> If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument of which has
>> more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more
>> energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more
>> power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood
>> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½
>> Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross
>> radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body
>> radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
>> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
>> negative state, cold.ï¿½ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A
>> surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night
>> due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
>> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before
>> the inversion takes place.ï¿½
>>
>> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
>> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This
>> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in the
>> IR band.
>>
>> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>>
>> Mick, Your quote "
>>
>>  Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>>
>> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer,
>> which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>>
>> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
>> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric
>> media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand dielectric
>> displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as we are learning
>> about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a material that has
>> a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at the same time is a
>> perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½ Electrical conductivity vs thermal
>> conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that statement for this is your ion
>> pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in
>> Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied
>> phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to liquid
>> states.ï¿½ If you study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state
>> you will find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
>> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect
>> studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).ï¿½
>>
>> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/paper
>> s17/lebedev2.pdf
>> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic
>> -flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-
>> magnetized-plasma-flows
>>
>> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>>
>> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>>
>> Italian National Research Council
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
>> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges or
>> ns discharges.
>> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
>> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of the
>> discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
>> electron gas and heavy particles.
>> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
>> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
>> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
>> deposition area.ï¿½
>> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
>> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
>> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are
>> commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>>
>> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.ï¿½
>> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind (proven,
>> I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
>> unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create heating. It is all in
>> the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of
>> negative discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
>> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
>> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a
>> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If
>> you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your primary coil with
>> unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>>
>> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy (EMP)
>> we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity
>> phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this
>> came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
>> interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the
>> two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro magnetic energy is explosive in
>> nature with energy propagated out wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal)
>> (HEAT)..ï¿½ On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
>> event (Centripetal).(COLD).
>> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>> large capacitor plates?
>>
>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>
>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>
>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>
>> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>> ice in the desert!
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>
>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>> well maybe you have...
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>
>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>
>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>
>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>
>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>
>>
>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>
>> Jim
>>
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2018-07-12T07:24:36+00:00 · james glinski <[email protected]>

Message-ID: <CA+uJ=nf=brQxrEZ-srL0hHPhK+DBKyXyEqpfaddUvUW0sCPCcQ@mail.gmail.com>

OK .
On Jul 11, 2018 9:11 PM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James! Just go on the internet and order a Negative ion Generator kit for
> they all produce a cold ion wind at the output spike.  It only takes a
> small 3KVDC (-) negative power supply to give you what you are looking for.
>
> On 7/11/2018 8:05 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm  I was thinking along the lines of a coil that would get cold frosty
> . ?
> On Jul 11, 2018 12:51 PM, "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling  with
>> unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply cheaply
>> not soild state ?
>> On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
>>> sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or negatively.
>>> So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or
>>> sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative ionization
>>> potential.   Is this correct?
>>>
>>> Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect
>>> in that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether.  A field
>>> perturbation between energy states  that the photon is a result of. Be it
>>> the heating of an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source and
>>> sink- all I have so far.  Will keep on it.
>>>
>>> Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching
>>> yesterday I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to
>>> dipole moment reversing spin but can't find the reference again.
>>>
>>> On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-ele
>>> ctrons-and-photons-interactï¿½ Put some thought into this!
>>>
>>> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
>>> must interject as ions are different from electrons.ï¿½ A cation or anion
>>> both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.ï¿½ï¿½ Even if
>>> they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...ï¿½ Just attempting to
>>> digest your meaning accurately.
>>>
>>> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for
>>> the ice.ï¿½ Was really stuck on that.ï¿½ï¿½ Now if one were to devise a
>>> funnel shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or
>>> a thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
>>> vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in the
>>> hot sun.ï¿½ If it was large enough it could make ice.
>>>
>>> Ok back to studying your post.
>>>
>>> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this
>>> discussion.ï¿½ All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation
>>> titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.ï¿½ï¿½ The
>>> main understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by
>>> positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the ejection
>>> of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band of energy.
>>> Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes
>>> cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the
>>> formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
>>> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water.
>>> If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach
>>> total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
>>> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept
>>> for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's
>>> thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
>>> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent
>>> process.ï¿½ï¿½ Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
>>> If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.ï¿½ The argument of which has
>>> more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more
>>> energetic that cold.ï¿½ That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more
>>> power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??ï¿½ Tesla totally understood
>>> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.ï¿½
>>> Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross
>>> radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body
>>> radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
>>> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
>>> negative state, cold.ï¿½ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablackï¿½ A
>>> surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night
>>> due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
>>> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before
>>> the inversion takes place.ï¿½
>>>
>>> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
>>> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.ï¿½ This
>>> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in the
>>> IR band.
>>>
>>> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>>>
>>> Mick, Your quote "
>>>
>>>  Black on one side silver the other
>>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>>>
>>> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer,
>>> which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>>>
>>> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
>>> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric
>>> media vs large capacitor plates.ï¿½ Please understand dielectric
>>> displacement is where energy (charge is stored).ï¿½ Just as we are learning
>>> about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a material that has
>>> a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at the same time is a
>>> perfect thermal conductor.ï¿½ Electrical conductivity vs thermal
>>> conductivity.ï¿½ Put some thought into that statement for this is your ion
>>> pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in
>>> Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there isï¿½ clear and carefully studied
>>> phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to liquid
>>> states.ï¿½ If you study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state
>>> you will find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
>>> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect
>>> studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).ï¿½
>>>
>>> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/paper
>>> s17/lebedev2.pdf
>>> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>>> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic
>>> -flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-magneti
>>> zed-plasma-flows
>>>
>>> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>>>
>>> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>>>
>>> Italian National Research Council
>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>>> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
>>> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges or
>>> ns discharges.
>>> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
>>> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of the
>>> discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
>>> electron gas and heavy particles.
>>> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
>>> different substrates and for different applications.ï¿½
>>> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
>>> deposition area.ï¿½
>>> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
>>> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.ï¿½
>>> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are
>>> commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>>>
>>> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.ï¿½
>>> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind (proven,
>>> I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
>>> unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create heating. It is all in
>>> the direction of ionization.ï¿½ Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of
>>> negative discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
>>> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
>>> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a
>>> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling effect.ï¿½ If
>>> you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your primary coil with
>>> unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>>>
>>> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy
>>> (EMP) we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity
>>> phenomenon.ï¿½ Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this
>>> came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
>>> interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the
>>> two are just the opposite.ï¿½ Electro magnetic energy is explosive in
>>> nature with energy propagated out wards, pressureï¿½ (Centrifugal)
>>> (HEAT)..ï¿½ On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
>>> event (Centripetal).(COLD).
>>> Much more to be discussed here!ï¿½ Norm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>>> large capacitor plates?
>>>
>>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>>>
>>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>>> magneto electric and superlight.ï¿½ Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>>
>>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>>> again?ï¿½ I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>>
>>> Ice in the desert from aï¿½ black body, talk about a brain massage.ï¿½ How
>>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...ï¿½ Black on one side silver the other
>>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>>> ice in the desert!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!ï¿½ Lol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>>> from the perturbed aether.ï¿½ Pertubation pumpsï¿½ Explains what Don Smith
>>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>>>
>>> Now howï¿½ bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>>> well maybe you have...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Mick!ï¿½ You got it together.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>>> to liquid.ï¿½ Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>>> (Text Book).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Smoke that!ï¿½ï¿½ Lol
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>>> therefore acting like aï¿½ ground pumping "graser"
>>>
>>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>>>
>>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.ï¿½ The slots in the
>>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>>>
>>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>>>
>>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>>> on a copper bar conductor??
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Do I have it thgether now?
>>>
>>> Jim
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