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Norm I was thinking along the lines of a coil that would get cold frosty .
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On Jul 11, 2018 12:51 PM, "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
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> Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling with
> unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply cheaply
> not soild state ?
> On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
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>> Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
>> sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or negatively.
>> So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or
>> sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative ionization
>> potential. Is this correct?
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>> Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect in
>> that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether. A field perturbation
>> between energy states that the photon is a result of. Be it the heating of
>> an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source and sink- all I have
>> so far. Will keep on it.
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>> Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching yesterday
>> I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to dipole moment
>> reversing spin but can't find the reference again.
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>> On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-ele
>> ctrons-and-photons-interact� Put some thought into this!
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>> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norm,
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>> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
>> must interject as ions are different from electrons.� A cation or anion
>> both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.�� Even if
>> they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...� Just attempting to
>> digest your meaning accurately.
>>
>> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for the
>> ice.� Was really stuck on that.�� Now if one were to devise a funnel
>> shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or a
>> thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
>> vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in the
>> hot sun.� If it was large enough it could make ice.
>>
>> Ok back to studying your post.
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>> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this
>> discussion.� All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation
>> titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.�� The
>> main understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by
>> positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the ejection
>> of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band of energy.
>> Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes
>> cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the
>> formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
>> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water.
>> If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach
>> total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
>> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept
>> for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's
>> thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
>> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent
>> process.�� Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
>> If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.� The argument of which has
>> more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more
>> energetic that cold.� That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more
>> power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??� Tesla totally understood
>> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.�
>> Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross
>> radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body
>> radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
>> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
>> negative state, cold.� https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack� A
>> surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night
>> due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
>> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before
>> the inversion takes place.�
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>> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
>> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.� This
>> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in the
>> IR band.
>>
>> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
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>> Mick, Your quote "
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>> Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
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>> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer,
>> which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>>
>> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
>> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric
>> media vs large capacitor plates.� Please understand dielectric
>> displacement is where energy (charge is stored).� Just as we are learning
>> about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a material that has
>> a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at the same time is a
>> perfect thermal conductor.� Electrical conductivity vs thermal
>> conductivity.� Put some thought into that statement for this is your ion
>> pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in
>> Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there is� clear and carefully studied
>> phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to liquid
>> states.� If you study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state
>> you will find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
>> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect
>> studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).�
>>
>> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/paper
>> s17/lebedev2.pdf
>> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
>> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-magnetic
>> -flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-supersonic-
>> magnetized-plasma-flows
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>> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
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>> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
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>> Italian National Research Council
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
>> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
>> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges or
>> ns discharges.
>> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
>> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of the
>> discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
>> electron gas and heavy particles.
>> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
>> different substrates and for different applications.�
>> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
>> deposition area.�
>> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
>> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.�
>> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are
>> commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>>
>> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.�
>> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind (proven,
>> I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
>> unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create heating. It is all in
>> the direction of ionization.� Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of
>> negative discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
>> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
>> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a
>> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling effect.� If
>> you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your primary coil with
>> unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>>
>> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy (EMP)
>> we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity
>> phenomenon.� Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this
>> came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
>> interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the
>> two are just the opposite.� Electro magnetic energy is explosive in
>> nature with energy propagated out wards, pressure� (Centrifugal)
>> (HEAT)..� On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
>> event (Centripetal).(COLD).
>> Much more to be discussed here!� Norm
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>> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norm,
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>> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
>> large capacitor plates?
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>> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
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>> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
>> magneto electric and superlight.� Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>>
>> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
>> again?� I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
>> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>>
>> Ice in the desert from a� black body, talk about a brain massage.� How
>> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...� Black on one side silver the other
>> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
>> ice in the desert!
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>> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
>> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
>> (pertubation) energy into the equation!� Lol
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>> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
>> from the perturbed aether.� Pertubation pumps� Explains what Don Smith
>> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
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>> Now how� bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
>> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
>> well maybe you have...
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>> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Mick!� You got it together.��� In my article, What is Heat, I explained
>> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
>> to liquid.� Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
>> (Text Book).��� Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
>> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
>> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).��� Smoke that!�� Lol
>>
>> Norm
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>> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Norm,
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>> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
>> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
>> therefore acting like a� ground pumping "graser"
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>> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
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>> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
>> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
>> the base therefore something that could be saturated.� The slots in the
>> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
>> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
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>> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
>> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
>> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
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>> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
>> on a copper bar conductor??
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>> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
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>> Norm
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>> ��� Do I have it thgether now?
>>
>> Jim
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