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Norm can you think of a table top small example of cooling with
unidirectional negative DC pulses that we can demonstrate simply cheaply
not soild state ?
On Jul 11, 2018 11:41 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:
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> Ok you are talking about the overall charge state of a mass from either
> sourcing or sinking electrons, therefore positively ionized or negatively.
> So it is not necessarily sourcing or sinking ions but rather sourcing or
> sinking electrons to achieve an overall positive or negative ionization
> potential. Is this correct?
>
> Working on the electron-photon link, but we have a distinct disconnect in
> that classical quantum mechanics denies the aether. A field perturbation
> between energy states that the photon is a result of. Be it the heating of
> an incandescent element or cooling of a plasma- source and sink- all I have
> so far. Will keep on it.
>
> Also forgot to mention in the black body info I was researching yesterday
> I think I read that the emission vs absorption correlates to dipole moment
> reversing spin but can't find the reference again.
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> On 7/11/2018 8:59 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/95690/how-do-
> electrons-and-photons-interact� Put some thought into this!
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> On 7/11/2018 10:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
>
> Sorry to interrupt as I have not processed this excellent post yet but
> must interject as ions are different from electrons.� A cation or anion
> both are charged molecules rather than only the electrons.�� Even if
> they are ejected from a crystal lattice, I think...� Just attempting to
> digest your meaning accurately.
>
> Ha you fooled me with the clear sky comment into daytime thinking for the
> ice.� Was really stuck on that.�� Now if one were to devise a funnel
> shape black body system with a really good insulator like aerogel or a
> thermos vacuum design on the sides and tall enough to create a natural
> vortex from the rising heat one could likely produce serious cooling in the
> hot sun.� If it was large enough it could make ice.
>
> Ok back to studying your post.
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> On 7/11/2018 8:01 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Ok! guys, I have pulled in some of my favorite researchers here for this
> discussion.� All of this dialog centers around my wandering dissertation
> titled What is Heat written back in the mid 90s for KeelyNet.�� The
> main understanding derived from paper is the fact that heating is caused by
> positive ionization of a mass. The object becomes hot due to the ejection
> of lattice electrons which manifest as photons in the IR band of energy.
> Cooling is just the opposite in that as a mass gains electrons it becomes
> cold due to electron packing in the atomic lattice. This explains the
> formation of ice at the phase change of water at 0 C. The electron packing
> causes a molecular re-configuration of the fundamental structure of water.
> If taken all the way down to absolute zero, the electron packing will reach
> total saturation (gross negative) and all Browning motion ceases for there
> is no mean free path for electrons to move. Tesla understood this concept
> for he was fascinated with the Linde Liquid Air production. Tesla's
> thoughts were of a superconducting primary coil. IBM Corp got involved with
> superconductivity in solid state circuits and ran into Tesla at the Patent
> process.�� Simply put, if you negative ionize a mass it will go cold.
> If you ionize a mass positive it goes hot.� The argument of which has
> more energy arieses since we are lead to believe that heat is more
> energetic that cold.� That means the holes in an atomic lattice has more
> power than a lattice packed with electrons. ??� Tesla totally understood
> the power of a cold sink. Mick asked how to make ice in the desert.�
> Simple, for on totally clear skys over the desert at night, the gross
> radiation into space of IR photons, emitted by a near perfect black body
> radiator plate will reach temperatures far below the ambient air. It is the
> rapidity of the thermal loss that causes the plate to go to a gross
> negative state, cold.� https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vantablack� A
> surface coated with this will make ice under clear desert skies at night
> due to the super emission of IR photons into the cold sink of outer space.
> Remember! That at about 60,000 ft. we have the lowest temperature before
> the inversion takes place.�
>
> Please not the boundary at troposphere into stratosphere where
> temperatures have reached the minimum then start climbing.� This
> stratosphere base is the cold sink receptor for the emitted photons in the
> IR band.
>
> Thermosphere - overview _ UCAR Center for Science Education.htm
>
> Mick, Your quote "
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> Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle
>
> You perfectly described on of Tesla's favorite toys, Crooks Radiometer,
> which really fascinated Tesla over just how it works.
>
> Your comment on collecting the energy of phase shift from plasma state
> back to gas state (gross over-unity) has to be done with the dielectric
> media vs large capacitor plates.� Please understand dielectric
> displacement is where energy (charge is stored).� Just as we are learning
> about how thermal junctions work, we learn that we need a material that has
> a super high electrical stand off coefficient and at the same time is a
> perfect thermal conductor.� Electrical conductivity vs thermal
> conductivity.� Put some thought into that statement for this is your ion
> pump. In my paper I discuss the age old paradox in Thermodynamics in
> Chemistry (TEXT BOOK) where there is� clear and carefully studied
> phenomenon of excess energy at the phase change of water from gas to liquid
> states.� If you study the phase change from a plasma back to a gas state
> you will find an order of magnitude of excess energy at this phase change
> point. This is where we get into the magnetic flux annihilation re-connect
> studies that yield the EMP that is Magneto-Electric (cold electricity).�
>
> http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/research/plasma/JPP/
> papers17/lebedev2.pdf
> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12
> https://www.osti.gov/pages/biblio/1346128-structure-
> magnetic-flux-annihilation-layer-formed-collision-
> supersonic-magnetized-plasma-flows
>
> https://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_classification_(types_of_plasma)
>
> https://plasmasphere.nasa.gov/
>
> Italian National Research Council
> <https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Italian_National_Research_Council>
> Cold plasmas are those with Te >> Tgas. It is obtained in low pressure
> discharges or in short pulse discharges as Dielectric Barrier Discharges or
> ns discharges.
> Hot plasmas, or better thermal plasmas, are those with Te~Tgas. It is
> produced in plasma torches or in high pressure discharges. The time of the
> discharge must be quite long, in order to have equilibration between the
> electron gas and heavy particles.
> From the point of view of deposition both plasmas are used, but with
> different substrates and for different applications.�
> The uniformity depends on your plasma device and on the size of the
> deposition area.�
> Usually in cold plasmas, also ions can play an important role. As an
> example ion bombardment is used for the so called plasma etching.�
> In any cases there is a lot of literature on this subject, and there are
> commercial systems for both cold and thermal plasmas.
>
> We get into negative ion barrier to heat which is real interesting.�
> Since a unidirectional negative DC pulse creates a cold ionic wind (proven,
> I have one operating as we speak) we see our example of cold electricity. A
> unidirectional pulse of positive charge will create heating. It is all in
> the direction of ionization.� Yes! Toby, a unidirectional pulse train of
> negative discharge will create frost due the gross negative ionization
> effect. (electron packing in atomic lattices). Some Tesla coil
> experimenters have seen frost at the base of a Tesla coil running when a
> circulating field of negative ionized air causes the chilling effect.� If
> you want to see a real ice maker, just drive your primary coil with
> unidirectional negative DC pulses and vola! you have ice.
>
> Back to the (black,dark matter, Superlight, Magneto Electric energy (EMP)
> we need to learn how to capture and harness this cold electricity
> phenomenon.� Our MRA, Floyd Sweet VTA and many other research into this
> came to a dead end on ways to convert this form of energy to make it
> interface with our standard electricity (Electro Magnetic). As I see it the
> two are just the opposite.� Electro magnetic energy is explosive in
> nature with energy propagated out wards, pressure� (Centrifugal)
> (HEAT).� On the other hand magneto electric is an implosive (vacuum)
> event (Centripetal).(COLD).
> Much more to be discussed here!� Norm
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> On 7/10/2018 4:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
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> That's ironic, OK so what are some good ways to gather this energy, just
> large capacitor plates?
>
> Funny if all this time the Budweiser sign could be powering the whole diner!
>
> I would love to procure your collection of the good Dr.'s writings on
> magneto electric and superlight.� Is this digitized or in large paper files?
>
> Could you provide the name of the company doing the seabed mining
> again?� I was looking and there are several some of which seem to be
> investment scams, would be nice to know who the real players are.
>
> Ice in the desert from a� black body, talk about a brain massage.� How
> to Q switch a blackbody radiator...� Black on one side silver the other
> and flip it at an asymmetric duty cycle, damn I want to know how to make
> ice in the desert!
>
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> On 7/10/2018 5:51 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick! The reverse laser trick is what happens to a plasma to gas phase
> change thus photons return to electron state carrying a ton of aether
> (pertubation) energy into the equation!� Lol
>
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> On 7/9/2018 10:11 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm, that's great stuff crashing energy states pulling in a surplus
> from the perturbed aether.� Pertubation pumps� Explains what Don Smith
> was going on about with the plasma tubes.
>
> Now how� bout a reverse laser then, as the same must happen with photons
> dropping back to electrons as they must do but we have not heard of it,
> well maybe you have...
>
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> On 7/9/2018 5:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick!� You got it together.��� In my article, What is Heat, I explained
> that there is over-unity at the phase change point of water vapor back
> to liquid.� Studied by scholars for many years but totally unexplained.
> (Text Book).��� Better yet is the fact that an over-unity factor of an
> order of magnitude greater exist when you phase change from a plasma
> state back to a gas state. (Aetheric Pumping).��� Smoke that!�� Lol
>
> Norm
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> On 7/8/2018 10:30 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Norm,
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> Sounds as if the really nice neutral spikes occur when a coil is not
> only switched hard off but has also reached full or over saturation,
> therefore acting like a� ground pumping "graser"
>
> The page 25 device is a classic negative resistance device.
>
> The magnifying transmitter unlike the more familiar Tesla coil called
> for a core that was also supposed to be highly polished and slotted at
> the base therefore something that could be saturated.� The slots in the
> base to prevent heating from the eddy currents would seem to indicate
> the idea was to run this near or into saturation.
>
> Based on your shaded pole motors an inductor can cohere the energy if
> there is enough present but the negative impedance of the gas tube near
> break-over seems a better suited detector and valve.
>
> On 7/8/2018 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Remember when Tesla demonstrated extracting energy at the nodal points
> on a copper bar conductor??
>
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> On 9/17/2011 2:44 PM, Jim Warren wrote:
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> Norm
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> ��� Do I have it thgether now?
>
> Jim
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