Neutral Spike Re: [EVGRAY] Vehicle audio - Wikipedia

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On 11/27/2018 4:13 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to 
> capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all 
> of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to 
> prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state 
> devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who 
> still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation 
> equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
> https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ This whole Neutral Spike 
> (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is 
> manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of 
> the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the 
> knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes 
> (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect 
> phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here 
> for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to 
> prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by 
> applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong 
> as a blacksmith anvil.
>
> On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mick,
>>
>> TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some 
>> max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the 
>> max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the 
>> voltage at some level while having current through them at the same 
>> time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) 
>> theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP 
>> transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed 
>> by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap 
>> breaks down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the 
>> energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some 
>> metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or 
>> Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the 
>> sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the 
>> electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the different stages 
>> to prevent it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current 
>> loop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That 
>> magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done 
>> with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field 
>> induces current in the screening material which requires only 
>> connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio 
>> guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
>>
>> A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the 
>> pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the 
>> circuit to be protected..
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>
>> This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>
>> I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I 
>> achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested 
>> but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS 
>> diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification 
>> without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even 
>> though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared 
>> the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest. Oh yeah the 
>> ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 
>> amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built 
>> the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control 
>> circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to 
>> cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.
>>
>> Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the 
>> feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, 
>> but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created 
>> right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x 
>> acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary.
>>
>>
>> "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to 
>> grow in."
>>
>>
>> On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...> 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>     Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand
>>>     that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the
>>>     manifestation of this energy. Please read:
>>>     http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>
>>>     On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>     <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared
>>>>     to a semiconductor switch.
>>>>
>>>>     What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting
>>>>     more energy?
>>>>
>>>>     Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or
>>>>     Arc/Spark.
>>>>     Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get
>>>>     rid of it.
>>>>
>>

Hi Norman,

I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do it that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way. According to transmission line theory the energy is running in the space between the wires. At least this holds for good conductors. Even good metallic conductors like silver have resistance which dissipates the energy. Superconductors don't have this problem but still have some max level where they can guide the energy. Where the fields meet the surface of the conductor the fields are mirrored. Thus the surface of the conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the fields to be superconductive.

T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely small distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin wires the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air or dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very good conductor that can have even negative resistance characteristics from impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy from the molecules that are hit by charged particles making even more ions and charged particles.

I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He knew about transmission line theory according to his document 'Nothing is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper. His device was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the device of Alexy Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain such phenomena.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what 
 is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to 
 our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the 
 conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a 
 totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often 
 observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over 
 very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not 
 your Dads Oldsmobile.
 
 On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > a very penetrating magnetic field.

Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what 
is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to 
our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the 
conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a 
totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often 
observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over 
very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not 
your Dads Oldsmobile.

On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> a very penetrating magnetic field.

I like you are against the up coming 5G technology which is about to 
unfold. Yes, we are just learning about the harmful effects caused by 
the proliferation of the microwave technology which nearly all wireless 
devices have migrated to these ultra high frequency bands.  Our getting 
a handle on the EMP phenomenon and understanding the effects is in the 
area of learning.  I am not advocating utilizing something which in the 
long run may be very harmful.   The Scientific Community is still 
scratching their heads on this area of research. It was as late as 2005 
when the UV & Soft X-Ray satellite was positioned that we began to learn 
how  EMP was generated from the sun.  This is relatively new in our 
world.  We just need to sort it all out and see if there is a practical 
application that will benefit all or none. Agreed. Norm

On 11/27/2018 5:45 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> I would prefer something that's not as harmful as those high power 
> energy discharges. I remember Wolfgang Volkroot warning about 
> microwaves and high energy discharges. Volkroot was chief of a Siemens 
> high energy test lab and saw his coworkers doing the high energy 
> discharges become sick when working with those EM radiating events for 
> years. He also warned about microwaves that made the forests between 
> the then East and West Germany die in straight lines where there were 
> microwave links and powerful radars pointing to the east and west 
> blocks. His opinion back then was that this was getting solved by 
> using fiber optic links instead of microwaves. He should have known 
> the coming revolution in mobile phones which now have microwave 
> transmitters almost everywhere. It was said that enough data to know 
> if mobile phones are harmful would be gathered in 20 years. Haven't we 
> reached that time span now and what is the conclusion? If they're 
> harmful will they be made illegal or is it up to the users to decide 
> for themselves.
>
> Conclusion is that I would prefer to avoid those EMP events and use 
> something less harmful. The EMPs may harm other things then sensitive 
> electronics. Humans don't have senses to fell electromagnetic 
> radiations except for the one octave optical range and perhaps one or 
> two octaves of of infrared radiation. Thus we can't feel the radiation 
> if harmful or not.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to 
> capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all 
> of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to 
> prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state 
> devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who 
> still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation 
> equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
> https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ This whole Neutral Spike 
> (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is 
> manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of 
> the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the 
> knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes 
> (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect 
> phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here 
> for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to 
> prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by 
> applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong 
> as a blacksmith anvil.
>
> On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy
>>     than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes
>>     they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through
>>     them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If
>>     reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for
>>     powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark
>>     gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener
>>     diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects
>>     or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a
>>     solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose
>>     as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest
>>     of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is
>>     essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is
>>     transferred between the different stages to prevent it from
>>     reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits
>>     the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic
>>     energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with
>>     electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field
>>     induces current in the screening material which requires only
>>     connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio
>>     guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
>>
>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hi Norm,
>>
>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>
>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if
>>     the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant
>>     amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes
>>     like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp
>>     23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to
>>     manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage
>>     wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w
>>     and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just
>>     working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan
>>     to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the
>>     superfast gate driver does not cook.
>>
>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say. Seems to me the event
>>     is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like
>>     the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and
>>     necessary.
>>
>>
>>     "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to
>>     grow in."
>>
>>
>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the
>>>         gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:
>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>
>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches
>>>>         wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
>>>>
>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>
>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm
>>>>         or Arc/Spark.
>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to
>>>>         get rid of it.
>>>>
>

See attachments.   Ole, Sweet & Bearden both admitted that they did not 
know how to capture and utilize the strange form of energy being produced.

On 11/27/2018 7:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The 
> natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about 
> explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do it 
> that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way. According to 
> transmission line theory the energy is running in the space between 
> the wires. At least this holds for good conductors. Even good metallic 
> conductors like silver have resistance which dissipates the energy. 
> Superconductors don't have this problem but still have some max level 
> where they can guide the energy. Where the fields meet the surface of 
> the conductor the fields are mirrored. Thus the surface of the 
> conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the fields to be superconductive.
>
> T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely small 
> distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin wires 
> the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air or 
> dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very good 
> conductor that can have even negative resistance characteristics from 
> impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy from the molecules that 
> are hit by charged particles making even more ions and charged particles.
>
> I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He 
> knew about transmission line theory according to his document 'Nothing 
> is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper. His device 
> was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the device of Alexy 
> Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain such phenomena.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what
> is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to
> our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the
> conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a
> totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often
> observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over
> very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not
> your Dads Oldsmobile.
>
>     On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>     > a very penetrating magnetic field. 
>
>

On 11/27/2018 8:37 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> See attachments.   Ole, Sweet & Bearden both admitted that they did 
> not know how to capture and utilize the strange form of energy being 
> produced.
>
> On 11/27/2018 7:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Norman,
>>
>> I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The 
>> natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about 
>> explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do it 
>> that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way. According to 
>> transmission line theory the energy is running in the space between 
>> the wires. At least this holds for good conductors. Even good 
>> metallic conductors like silver have resistance which dissipates the 
>> energy. Superconductors don't have this problem but still have some 
>> max level where they can guide the energy. Where the fields meet the 
>> surface of the conductor the fields are mirrored. Thus the surface of 
>> the conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the fields to be 
>> superconductive.
>>
>> T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely small 
>> distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin wires 
>> the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air or 
>> dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very good 
>> conductor that can have even negative resistance characteristics from 
>> impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy from the molecules that 
>> are hit by charged particles making even more ions and charged particles.
>>
>> I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He 
>> knew about transmission line theory according to his document 
>> 'Nothing is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper. 
>> His device was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the 
>> device of Alexy Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain such 
>> phenomena.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what
>> is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to
>> our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the
>> conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a
>> totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often
>> observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over
>> very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not
>> your Dads Oldsmobile.
>>
>>     On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>     > a very penetrating magnetic field. 
>>
>>

Norm,

My opinion, likely you have already thought of this and agree.

Sparky's device appears to be a conditioned magnet made of an insulator
so electrons don't get in the way.  He slammed these magnets until there
were micro-fractures and the domains could act independently of one
another rather than in concert as in a conventional magnet that has not
been positive and negative magnetized almost to death.  Accordingly he
was able to coax this event into a continuous less intense presentation.

There was an AC sine in addition to the wrenching +-+-+- and as we know
sine AC is used to demagnetize!   When the plus minus shots are synched
with the sine at top dead center somehow the magnet become conditioned
to switch the domains at this frequency and create these annihilations
in micro instead of macro.
Likeley it is creating an electron void so that they want to rush in and
fill the hole and this is why it is important the material not be a
conductor of electrons.

On 11/27/2018 6:46 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> On 11/27/2018 8:37 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> See attachments.   Ole, Sweet & Bearden both admitted that they did
>> not know how to capture and utilize the strange form of energy being
>> produced.
>>
>> On 11/27/2018 7:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi Norman,
>>>
>>> I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The
>>> natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about
>>> explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do
>>> it that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way.
>>> According to transmission line theory the energy is running in the
>>> space between the wires. At least this holds for good conductors.
>>> Even good metallic conductors like silver have resistance which
>>> dissipates the energy. Superconductors don't have this problem but
>>> still have some max level where they can guide the energy. Where the
>>> fields meet the surface of the conductor the fields are mirrored.
>>> Thus the surface of the conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the
>>> fields to be superconductive.
>>>
>>> T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely
>>> small distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin
>>> wires the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air
>>> or dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very
>>> good conductor that can have even negative resistance
>>> characteristics from impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy
>>> from the molecules that are hit by charged particles making even
>>> more ions and charged particles.
>>>
>>> I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He
>>> knew about transmission line theory according to his document
>>> 'Nothing is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper.
>>> His device was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the
>>> device of Alexy Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain
>>> such phenomena.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what
>>> is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to
>>> our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the
>>> conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a
>>> totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often
>>> observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried
>>> over
>>> very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not
>>> your Dads Oldsmobile.
>>>
>>>     On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>     > a very penetrating magnetic field. 
>>>
>

Warren,

Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF and
high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I really don't
enjoy working with this technology either troubleshooting or building
it.  Give me DIP with pins that go through holes and need to be snipped,
call us old fashioned right! 
I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can dissipate
heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench and don't get
lost under fingernails.


On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Norman
>
> Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma
> spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than traditionally
> considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits.
> It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both
> useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.
> I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly achieve,
> given a reasonable machine shop.
> Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete
> components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad field
> microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinery
> Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one.
> Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey,
> around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb
> I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a
> proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have
> always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for
> big things.
> A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into plasticine,
> for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because somebody,
> somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
> Cheers Warren
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>
>     On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and
>     attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from
>     happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant
>     phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why
>     do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need
>     protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum
>     tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall
>     back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron 
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
>     https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole
>     Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary
>     form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux
>     annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the
>     reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this
>     subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the
>     sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon.
>     The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for these
>     plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to prove
>     out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by
>     applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As
>     strong as a blacksmith anvil.
>
>     On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy
>>     than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes
>>     they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through
>>     them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If
>>     reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for
>>     powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark
>>     gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener
>>     diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects
>>     or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a
>>     solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose
>>     as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest
>>     of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is
>>     essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is
>>     transferred between the different stages to prevent it from
>>     reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits
>>     the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic
>>     energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with
>>     electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field
>>     induces current in the screening material which requires only
>>     connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio
>>     guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
>>
>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hi Norm,
>>
>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>
>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if
>>     the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant
>>     amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes
>>     like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp
>>     23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to
>>     manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage
>>     wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w
>>     and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just
>>     working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan
>>     to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the
>>     superfast gate driver does not cook. 
>>
>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event
>>     is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like
>>     the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and
>>     necessary. 
>>
>>
>>     "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to
>>     grow in."
>>
>>
>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the
>>>         gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:  
>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>
>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor.
>>>>         Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor
>>>>         switch.
>>>>
>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>
>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm
>>>>         or Arc/Spark.
>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to
>>>>         get rid of it.
>>>>
>

Hi Ole,

I had not anticipated this kind of event manifesting at the TVS and a
crowbar would have worked.  However the plasma created event went right
through the protection circuits like they were not there and made its
way to the microelectronics.  It was so fast the gas tube did not even
light just a little faint line though the center like the afterglow of a
meteor.

Just in the learning stages but so far convinced for now the best way to
learn is to keep the event away from semi junctions until I understand
much more of the hows wheres and why's.


On 11/26/2018 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some
> max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the
> max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the
> voltage at some level while having current through them at the same
> time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI)
> theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP
> transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed
> by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap
> breaks down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the
> energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some
> metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or
> Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the
> sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic
> radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent it
> from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits
> the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy
> has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical
> conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current
> in the screening material which requires only connecting the circuit
> inside the screen to a single point. Audio guys probably have
> experienced this when building amplifiers.
>
> A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the
> pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the
> circuit to be protected..
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> This paper is one of your excellent references.
>
> I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
> achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but
> as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes
> were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification without
> the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though
> rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the
> rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the
> ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000
> amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built
> the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control
> circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to cascode
> so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook. 
>
> Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the
> feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing,
> but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created
> right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x
> acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary. 
>
>
> "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to grow
> in."
>
>
> On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand
>>     that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the
>>     manifestation of this energy. Please read:  
>>     http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>
>>     On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>     <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to
>>>     a semiconductor switch.
>>>
>>>     What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting
>>>     more energy?
>>>
>>>     Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or
>>>     Arc/Spark.
>>>     Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get
>>>     rid of it.
>>>
>

Hi Norman,

I would prefer something that's not as harmful as those high power energy discharges. I remember Wolfgang Volkroot warning about microwaves and high energy discharges. Volkroot was chief of a Siemens high energy test lab and saw his coworkers doing the high energy discharges become sick when working with those EM radiating events for years. He also warned about microwaves that made the forests between the then East and West Germany die in straight lines where there were microwave links and powerful radars pointing to the east and west blocks. His opinion back then was that this was getting solved by using fiber optic links instead of microwaves. He should have known the coming revolution in mobile phones which now have microwave transmitters almost everywhere. It was said that enough data to know if mobile phones are harmful would be gathered in 20 years. Haven't we reached that time span now and what is the conclusion? If they're harmful will they be made illegal or is it up to the users to decide for themselves.

Conclusion is that I would prefer to avoid those EMP events and use something less harmful. The EMPs may harm other things then sensitive electronics. Humans don't have senses to fell electromagnetic radiations except for the one octave optical range and perhaps one or two octaves of of infrared radiation. Thus we can't feel the radiation if harmful or not.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron  https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith anvil.

 On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current in the screening material which requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
 
 A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the circuit to be protected..
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Hi Norm, 

 This paper is one of your excellent references.

 I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.  

 Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary.  

 

 "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to grow in."

 

 On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:   http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf

 On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@... mailto:bob.paddock@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
 
 What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting more energy?
 
 Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or Arc/Spark.
 Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get rid of it.

James,

James the event could in fact create nuclear changes or transmutation
events.  Many of the events happen in space where there are not too many
elements around to produce such amounts of energy, so the energy may not
be derived from though the transmutation could be a result of the energy
too early to say.

Same as sending E field communications through space, what medium are
they using to travel if there are no elements in order to vibrate
electrons.  Call it the Aether, truth is we don't know.

I have radiation detectors but should procure a neutron counter to be on
the safer side. As Ole mentioned one can never be too careful being
sapiens low ability for awareness of spectrum, ionizing or not.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Scientists_map_magnetic_reconnection_in_Earths_magnetotail_999.html



On 11/27/2018 12:15 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Bob you said at the point of plasma arc ...thats more evidence
> pointing to temporary element fillping .like carbon to boron and back
> producing beta energy .it's said with carbon there has to be some
> vaporiseation of the carbon to get the effect .this may just be the
> source of free energy .not the magnetic but the transmutation of some
> of the isotopes to the next level of elements in a unstable condition
> then returning back and giving off unpolarized beta radiation .that if
> fought in a polarizing magnetic field gives it direction .a cold
> energy pump hidden in the experimentation .with copper and carbon and
> there others with even greater potential .notice there's a spark gap
> in many of these OU device's and copper and carbon a plasma point
> associated with them !.
>
> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Hi Ole,
>
>     I had not anticipated this kind of event manifesting at the TVS
>     sdand a crowbar would have worked.  However the plasma created
>     event went right through the protection circuits like they were
>     not there and made its way to the microelectronics.  It was so
>     fast the gas tube did not even light just a little faint line
>     though the center like the afterglow of a meteor.
>
>     Just in the learning stages but so far convinced for now the best
>     way to learn is to keep the event away from semi junctions until I
>     understand much more of the hows wheres and why's.
>
>
>     On 11/26/2018 5:21 PM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy
>>     than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes
>>     they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through
>>     them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If
>>     reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for
>>     powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark
>>     gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener
>>     diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects
>>     or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a
>>     solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose
>>     as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest
>>     of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is
>>     essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is
>>     transferred between the different stages to prevent it from
>>     reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits
>>     the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic
>>     energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with
>>     electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field
>>     induces current in the screening material which requires only
>>     connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio
>>     guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
>>
>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Hi Norm,
>>
>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>
>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if
>>     the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant
>>     amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes
>>     like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp
>>     23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to
>>     manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage
>>     wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w
>>     and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just
>>     working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan
>>     to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the
>>     superfast gate driver does not cook. 
>>
>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event
>>     is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like
>>     the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and
>>     necessary. 
>>
>>
>>     "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to
>>     grow in."
>>
>>
>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the
>>>         gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:  
>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>         <http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf>
>>>
>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches
>>>>         wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
>>>>
>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>
>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm
>>>>         or Arc/Spark.
>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to
>>>>         get rid of it.
>>>>
>

Warren,, Ha Ha, regarding the anvil, I had a 100 pound one my work bench 
but I saw some real big ones at old equipment auctions (Texas) in the 
300-400 pound class.   I know you have seen them around the old forges 
with bellows.     Mick, I cannot stand those sub miniature parts 
either.  for I just came in to my computer to order a new FWBR for my 
120VAC winch in the shop.  50 amp bridge and it has to come from China!  
Take my advice for it is really worth the extra effort to use the 
hydrogen thyratrons that I pointed out ( 
http://www.glvac.com/Product.asp ) and they are really like an anvil and 
not at all expensive.  On my Ferroresonance Capture Project I had 
collected a lot of caps rated to work in KV ranges.   I had a ton 
(literally) of the 600V oil filled for RV applications but as pointed 
out in a Ferroresonant state, working with transverter 3 phase, 230VAC 
you have to multiply your line in by a factor of at least 10X which is 
the self targeting stochastic state voltage excursions. A good storage 
scope would allow you to see when you happily hit on that unbalanced one 
leg condition which trips it into the stochastic state. Play the harmonics.

On 11/27/2018 12:17 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren,
>
> Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF and 
> high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I really don't 
> enjoy working with this technology either troubleshooting or building 
> it.  Give me DIP with pins that go through holes and need to be 
> snipped, call us old fashioned right!
> I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can dissipate 
> heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench and don't get 
> lost under fingernails.
>
>
> On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma 
>> spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than traditionally 
>> considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits.
>> It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both 
>> useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.
>> I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly achieve, 
>> given a reasonable machine shop.
>> Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete 
>> components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad 
>> field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinery
>> Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one.
>> Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey, 
>> around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb
>> I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a 
>> proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have 
>> always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for 
>> big things.
>> A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into plasticine, 
>> for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because somebody, 
>> somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>
>>     On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and
>>     attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from
>>     happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant
>>     phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why
>>     do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need
>>     protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum
>>     tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall
>>     back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron
>>     https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ This whole Neutral
>>     Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form
>>     of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation
>>     (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase.
>>     The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the
>>     study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst
>>     from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As
>>     above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions
>>     have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what
>>     happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in
>>     your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith
>>     anvil.
>>
>>     On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more
>>>     energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener
>>>     diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current
>>>     through them at the same time which means power dissipation in
>>>     them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to
>>>     protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark
>>>     gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by
>>>     a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance
>>>     which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal.
>>>     The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has
>>>     the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage
>>>     removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive
>>>     electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic
>>>     radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent
>>>     it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop
>>>     transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That
>>>     magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be
>>>     done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum.
>>>     The field induces current in the screening material which
>>>     requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a
>>>     single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when
>>>     building amplifiers.
>>>
>>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     Hi Norm,
>>>
>>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>>
>>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as
>>>     if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the
>>>     ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks
>>>     the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with
>>>     only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it
>>>     chose at the diodes to manifest. Oh yeah the ferrotranny was
>>>     connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS
>>>     diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the
>>>     tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control
>>>     circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to
>>>     cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.
>>>
>>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event
>>>     is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like
>>>     the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and
>>>     necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>     "Why does death need time? Death needs time for what it kills to
>>>     grow in."
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the
>>>>         gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:
>>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor.
>>>>>         Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor
>>>>>         switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a
>>>>>         Plasm or Arc/Spark.
>>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted
>>>>>         to get rid of it.
>>>>>
>

NormanThank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than traditionally considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits.It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly achieve, given a reasonable machine shop.Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinerySpeaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one.Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey, around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lbI have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for big things.A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into plasticine, for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because somebody, somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron  https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith anvil.
 
 On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current in the screening material which requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
 
 A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the circuit to be protected..
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
  
Hi Norm, 
 
 
This paper is one of your excellent references.
 
 
I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan to  decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.  
 
 
Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary.  
 
 

 
 
"Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to grow in."
 
 

 
 On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
 
    
Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:   http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
 
 On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
> Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
 
 What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting more energy?
 
 Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or Arc/Spark.
 Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get rid of it.
 
  
  
 
    
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OleYou have made a very astute observation regarding the health concerns. Can you imagine the industry push back from cell phones? If you think Donny Trump spins, wait until they haul out their big guns in the public
relations departments, of cell phone companies.If the public embraces the health risk, we will be back to using Napoleon's semaphore towers.I hope they are not so bad, these cell phones, since my computer is still  not unpacked, and set up since moving. I have been just using this damn cell phone.Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 8:26 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Norman,

I would prefer something that's not as harmful as those high power energy discharges. I remember Wolfgang Volkroot warning about microwaves and high energy discharges. Volkroot was chief of a Siemens high energy test lab and saw his coworkers doing the high energy discharges become sick when working with those EM radiating events for years. He also warned about microwaves that made the forests between the then East and West Germany die in straight lines where there were microwave links and powerful radars pointing to the east and west blocks. His opinion back then was that this was getting solved by using fiber optic links instead of microwaves. He should have known the coming revolution in mobile phones which now have microwave transmitters almost everywhere. It was said that enough data to know if mobile phones are harmful would be gathered in 20 years. Haven't we reached that time span now and what is the conclusion? If they're harmful will they be made illegal or is it up to the users to decide for themselves.

Conclusion is that I would prefer to avoid those EMP events and use something less harmful. The EMPs may harm other things then sensitive electronics. Humans don't have senses to fell electromagnetic radiations except for the one octave optical range and perhaps one or two octaves of of infrared radiation. Thus we can't feel the radiation if harmful or not.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :


PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke andattempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it fromhappening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonantphenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Whydo you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which needprotection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuumtubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fallback to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This wholeNeutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinaryform of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic fluxannihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called thereconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of thissubject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of thesun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon.The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for theseplasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to proveout exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned byapplying the info in your device design and methodology.   Asstrong as a blacksmith anvil.

On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM,onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:


 
Hi Mick,

TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation andperhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). Ifapplying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. Asbeing fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at somelevel while having current through them at the same timewhich means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC(EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect forpowerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap.The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followedby a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to lowimpedance which reflects or dissipates much of the energyof the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in somemetal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap.the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of theenergy to protect the sensitive electronics. It isessential to know how the electromagnetic radiation istransferred between the different stages to prevent itfrom reaching the sensitive electronics. Every currentloop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magneticfield. That magnetic energy has to be dissipated orreflected which can be done with electrical conductivematerials like iron or aluminum. The field induces currentin the screening material which requires only connectingthe circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audioguys probably have experienced this when buildingamplifiers.

A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. Itshorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows afuse to disconnect the circuit to be protected..

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :


Hi Norm, 


This paper is one of your excellent references.


I would like to replicate the events through theplasma that Iachieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that canbe harvestedbut as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff asif the TVSdiodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonantamplification without the plasma gap just cooks theTVS diodeslike popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with onlyabout 2 amp23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose atthe diodes tomanifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with30 guagewire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes explodedfrom 46w andwire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yetjust workingon the solid state grid control circuits first thenplan todecouple with something similar to cascode sohopefully thesuperfast gate driver does not cook.  


Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop theevent but havethe feeling so since caps will suppress the rise timeand killringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to methe eventis created right at the switch and the rise in voltageis like theinertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracksandnecessary.  





"Why does death need time?  Death needs time for whatit kills togrow in."




On11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootannwootan@... [EVGRAY]wrote:


 
Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read thisdocument tounderstand that a local plasma event mustoccur (Arc inthe gap) for the manifestation of this energy.Pleaseread:  http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf

On11/25/2018 7:36 PM, BobPaddock bob.paddock@...[EVGRAY] wrote:

 
> Why not replace the relay with aswitchingtransistor. Mechanical switches wear fastcompared toa semiconductor switch.

What if the Arc/Spark is part of theactual process ingetting more energy?

Every O/U thing I've ever though workedusually had aPlasm or Arc/Spark.
Usually not intentionally and the designeralwayswanted to get rid of it.






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Norm,

I have some hydrogen thyratrons I bought just for this purpose but they
are too big for my experiments right now, those new ones probably cost a
fortune.  Plan to try some UHF triodes first, hope to have the event
manifest in a plasma tube rather than at the triode or thyratron
itself.  Hydrogen are the fastest switching but my 4c35's require a keep
alive voltage which is pretty high, hey reminds me of page 25 right.

So yes this was my plan all along to use H thyratrons just ordered some
TGI-35/3 I couldn't pass up so might go directly to those.  Another
reason I wanted to run a triode and a cathode follower first was the
higher frequencies I can attain and experiment with.

On 11/27/2018 12:26 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Warren,, Ha Ha, regarding the anvil, I had a 100 pound one my work
> bench but I saw some real big ones at old equipment auctions (Texas)
> in the 300-400 pound class.   I know you have seen them around the old
> forges with bellows.     Mick, I cannot stand those sub miniature
> parts either.  for I just came in to my computer to order a new FWBR
> for my 120VAC winch in the shop.  50 amp bridge and it has to come
> from China!  Take my advice for it is really worth the extra effort to
> use the hydrogen thyratrons that I pointed out (
> http://www.glvac.com/Product.asp ) and they are really like an anvil
> and not at all expensive.  On my Ferroresonance Capture Project I had
> collected a lot of caps rated to work in KV ranges.   I had a ton
> (literally) of the 600V oil filled for RV applications but as pointed
> out in a Ferroresonant state, working with transverter 3 phase, 230VAC
> you have to multiply your line in by a factor of at least 10X which is
> the self targeting stochastic state voltage excursions. A good storage
> scope would allow you to see when you happily hit on that unbalanced
> one leg condition which trips it into the stochastic state. Play the
> harmonics.
>
> On 11/27/2018 12:17 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Warren,
>>
>> Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF and
>> high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I really
>> don't enjoy working with this technology either troubleshooting or
>> building it.  Give me DIP with pins that go through holes and need to
>> be snipped, call us old fashioned right! 
>> I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can dissipate
>> heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench and don't
>> get lost under fingernails.
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma
>>> spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than
>>> traditionally considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits.
>>> It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both
>>> useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.
>>> I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly
>>> achieve, given a reasonable machine shop.
>>> Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete
>>> components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad
>>> field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinery
>>> Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one.
>>> Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey,
>>> around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb
>>> I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a
>>> proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have
>>> always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for
>>> big things.
>>> A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into
>>> plasticine, for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because
>>> somebody, somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
>>> Cheers Warren
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>>>
>>>     On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and
>>>     attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from
>>>     happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant
>>>     phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why
>>>     do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which
>>>     need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini
>>>     vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I
>>>     would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron 
>>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
>>>     https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole
>>>     Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra
>>>     ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic
>>>     flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the
>>>     reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this
>>>     subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the
>>>     sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect
>>>     phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies
>>>     here for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in
>>>     research labs to prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what
>>>     we have learned by applying the info in your device design and
>>>     methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith anvil.
>>>
>>>     On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>>
>>>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more
>>>>     energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener
>>>>     diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having
>>>>     current through them at the same time which means power
>>>>     dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages
>>>>     are needed to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first
>>>>     step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor
>>>>     that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks
>>>>     down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the
>>>>     energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in
>>>>     some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap.
>>>>     the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to
>>>>     protect the sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how
>>>>     the electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the
>>>>     different stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive
>>>>     electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a very
>>>>     penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be
>>>>     dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical
>>>>     conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces
>>>>     current in the screening material which requires only
>>>>     connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point.
>>>>     Audio guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
>>>>
>>>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Norm,
>>>>
>>>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>>>
>>>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as
>>>>     if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the
>>>>     ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks
>>>>     the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with
>>>>     only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it
>>>>     chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was
>>>>     connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS
>>>>     diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the
>>>>     tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control
>>>>     circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to
>>>>     cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook. 
>>>>
>>>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the
>>>>     event is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is
>>>>     like the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks
>>>>     and necessary. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills
>>>>     to grow in."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in
>>>>>         the gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please
>>>>>         read:  
>>>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor.
>>>>>>         Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor
>>>>>>         switch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a
>>>>>>         Plasm or Arc/Spark.
>>>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted
>>>>>>         to get rid of it.
>>>>>>
>

NormanI get so sucked in by such things.It is like" here is how you can build a 56' sailing ship for $2000!"I was young, and foolish, without any specific prospects, just out of art college. So I built one, and sailed it back and forth to South America a couple of times.Now, you send this Sweet paper.A couple of hundred bucks and we can make a working model?Don't torture us so.We are now like stud dogs crated around a bitch in heat, howling, with no place to go.His thesis is an exercise in tantalizing for the free energy researvher
I mean Sparky is really pulling our levers, with the glorious simplicity of it all.This is indeed maddening, to imagine someone much in the same age range, reaching a tantalizing moment of success with his experimental device, only to just pass away, and drift off into obscurity, lost to the World, leaving the living to perish in their own waste materials.This leads us to thoughts of philosophy, and the utterly fragile nature of civilization, and how just one person can make the difference.We owe our brief existence to attempting to be such a person, as to help foster collective human civilization, and learning, before we too, pass into oblivion.I would sure like to build a device that really works, like Sparky describes in his inspirational proseCheers Warren
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  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 9:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

See attachments.   Ole, Sweet & Bearden both admitted that they did not know how to capture and utilize the strange form of energy being produced.
 
 On 11/27/2018 7:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Norman,
 
 I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do it that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way. According to transmission line theory the energy is running in the space between the wires. At least this holds for good conductors. Even good metallic conductors like silver have resistance which dissipates the energy. Superconductors don't have this problem but still have some max level where they can guide the energy. Where the fields meet the surface of the conductor the fields are mirrored. Thus the surface of the conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the fields to be superconductive.
 
 T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely small distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin wires the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air or dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very good conductor that can have even negative resistance characteristics from impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy from the molecules that are hit by charged particles making even more ions and charged particles.
 
 I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He knew about transmission line theory according to his document 'Nothing is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper. His device was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the device of Alexy Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain such phenomena.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
 
 Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what 
 is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to 
 our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the 
 conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a 
 totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often 
 observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over 
 very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not 
 your Dads Oldsmobile.
 
 
 On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Warren,

Unfortunately I have to leave my lab for a few months so not sure I can
finish this latest module I have on the bench with all the other tasks
necessary to complete.  But intent is a very fast optically decoupled
gate driver that can accomplish what you requested earlier, a unit one
can connect to the TTL out from a cheap digital function generator or
timer, microprocessor etc and use to switch some larger current and
voltage into coils without worries of damage.  I am thinking along the
modular lines of the Arduino crowd, little modules for energy
experimenters like us that ideally could be cobbled together into half
and full bridges also.  Even though more useful components could share
each board I think this simple module concept might be more robust and
user friendly and easier to repair for sure.
I also intend that the output can be  matched to drive vacuum tube grids
too. 

That's my answer...  Winter is a great time when it's too cold to go out
for the electronics bench.

On 11/27/2018 11:27 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mike
>
> Roger that! Give me components that fit the hand, and can even be
> harmlessly soldered with a soldering gun ha,ha! I love those bakelite
> terminal strips, all open, and very connectable, just drop a diode
> across twhathe lugs and solder away, another high voltage, high
> current bridge presto.
> Now we have the gubbins, lets get building.....oh....what are we building?
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 1:49 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Warren,
>
>     Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF
>     and high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I
>     really don't enjoy working with this technology either
>     troubleshooting or building it.  Give me DIP with pins that go
>     through holes and need to be snipped, call us old fashioned right! 
>     I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can
>     dissipate heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench
>     and don't get lost under fingernails.
>
>
>     On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Norman
>>
>>     Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc
>>     plasma spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than
>>     traditionally considering them the enemy of fragile electronic
>>     circuits.
>>     It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both
>>     useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.
>>     I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly
>>     achieve, given a reasonable machine shop.
>>     Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete
>>     components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad
>>     field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice
>>     machinery
>>     Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice
>>     old one.
>>     Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey,
>>     around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb
>>     I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and
>>     a proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but
>>     have always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not
>>     handy for big things.
>>     A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into
>>     plasticine, for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch,
>>     because somebody, somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>         On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and
>>         attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from
>>         happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant
>>         phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects. 
>>         Why do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits
>>         which need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use
>>         mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation
>>         equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum
>>         Thyratron  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
>>         https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole
>>         Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra
>>         ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic
>>         flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called
>>         the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of
>>         this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes
>>         (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the
>>         annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As above
>>         so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions
>>         have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly
>>         what happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the
>>         info in your device design and methodology.   As strong as a
>>         blacksmith anvil.
>>
>>         On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>         TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and
>>>         perhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If
>>>         applying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As
>>>         being fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some level
>>>         while having current through them at the same time which
>>>         means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory
>>>         several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP
>>>         transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is
>>>         followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener
>>>         diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which
>>>         reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The
>>>         varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has
>>>         the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode
>>>         stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the
>>>         sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the
>>>         electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the
>>>         different stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive
>>>         electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a
>>>         very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to
>>>         be dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical
>>>         conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field
>>>         induces current in the screening material which requires
>>>         only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single
>>>         point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when
>>>         building amplifiers.
>>>
>>>         A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It
>>>         shorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse
>>>         to disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>         Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>>         <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>         Hi Norm,
>>>
>>>         This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>>
>>>         I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that
>>>         I achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>>         harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff
>>>         as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the
>>>         ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just
>>>         cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000
>>>         amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I
>>>         guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the
>>>         ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when
>>>         the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was
>>>         fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just working on
>>>         the solid state grid control circuits first then plan to
>>>         decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the
>>>         superfast gate driver does not cook. 
>>>
>>>         Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but
>>>         have the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time
>>>         and kill ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to
>>>         me the event is created right at the switch and the rise in
>>>         voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before the end of
>>>         a whip cracks and necessary. 
>>>
>>>
>>>         "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it
>>>         kills to grow in."
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>         <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>             Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>>             understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in
>>>>             the gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please
>>>>             read:  
>>>>             http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>>
>>>>             On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>>             <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>              
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Why not replace the relay with a switching
>>>>>             transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to
>>>>>             a semiconductor switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>             What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>>             getting more energy?
>>>>>
>>>>>             Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a
>>>>>             Plasm or Arc/Spark.
>>>>>             Usually not intentionally and the designer always
>>>>>             wanted to get rid of it.
>>>>>
>

Hi Norman,

Sweet refers to Ivor Catt's theory instead of the conventional theory. Here is a searchable version of the 'Nothing is Something' document: http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/ http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/.

Electromagnetism I by Ivor Catt: http://www.ivorcatt.com/em.htm http://www.ivorcatt.com/em.htm. There's no need for displacement current to explain electromagnetism. Just treat capacitors as transmission lines. Floyd sweet explains that every signal takes time to move between two separate points which prevents the instant propagation of displacement current. Ivor Catt describes capacitors as transmission lines (http://www.ivorcatt.org/icrwiworld78dec1.htm http://www.ivorcatt.org/icrwiworld78dec1.htm). The signal enters the capacitor foils at a single point (or at two points) and must travel to the edges of the foils making capacitors rolled up or stacked transmission lines with the laws governing transmission lines. Catt is or was controversial when introducing a third theory of transmission lines. The theory describing what happens the most accurate way must be the best one no matter if the old theoreticians like Newton Maxwell or Einstein are treated like gods in scientific circles. Engineers may have personal experience of the phenomena happening when designing devices and thus use whatever theory that can explain the observations no matter what is written in old books. I think this is also why Tesla laughed at the theoreticians because he had his own experiences to draw from while the theoreticians made thought experiments that didn't fit the actual observations. We must learn and get wiser if we want to progress and this even if having to change or discard established theory. This is what the scientific method is about. Don't be religious about scientific theories (or even about gods). Go for truth.

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 See attachments.   Ole, Sweet & Bearden both admitted that they did not know how to capture and utilize the strange form of energy being produced.

 On 11/27/2018 7:27 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Norman,
 
 I like that. Go for how nature works even if not conventional. The natural laws written in books are made by humans. Science is about explaining them the right way even though some scientists don't do it that way unless specific paid to do it the intended way. According to transmission line theory the energy is running in the space between the wires. At least this holds for good conductors. Even good metallic conductors like silver have resistance which dissipates the energy. Superconductors don't have this problem but still have some max level where they can guide the energy. Where the fields meet the surface of the conductor the fields are mirrored. Thus the surface of the conductor has to be a perfect mirror of the fields to be superconductive.
 
 T.J.J. See formulated it something like the forces at extremely small distances are extremely great. Or for fields at extremely thin wires the field intensity is extremely high which can ionize the air or dielectric to be able to move the energy. Plasma is also a very good conductor that can have even negative resistance characteristics from impact ionization. Thus it takes out energy from the molecules that are hit by charged particles making even more ions and charged particles.
 
 I would like to see a replication of Floyd Sweets frosted wires. He knew about transmission line theory according to his document 'Nothing is Something' where he refers to Ivor Catt and W.J. Hooper. His device was also claimed to possess antigravity just like the device of Alexy Chekurov. A valid theory must be able to explain such phenomena.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 Ole, your quote,( a very penetrating magnetic field) is precisely what 
 is described as the Magneto-Electric effect which is totally inverse to 
 our conventional Electro-magnetic theory and practice. All of the 
 conventional electric theory goes out the window when dealing with a 
 totally inverted Magneto-Electric event.  It all fits with our often 
 observed anomalies such as tremendous currents and voltages carried over 
 very small conductors doing fantastic damage in the event.  This is not 
 your Dads Oldsmobile.
 
 On 11/27/2018 4:15 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > a very penetrating magnetic field.

MikeRoger that! Give me components that fit the hand, and can even be harmlessly soldered with a soldering gun ha,ha! I love those bakelite terminal strips, all open, and very connectable, just drop a diode across the lugs and solder away, another high voltage, high current bridge presto.Now we have the gubbins, lets get building.....oh....what are we building?Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 1:49 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren,
 
Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF and high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I really don't enjoy working with this technology either troubleshooting or building it.  Give me DIP with pins that go through holes and need to be snipped, call us old fashioned right!  
 I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can dissipate heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench and don't get lost under fingernails.
 

 
 On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than traditionally considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits. It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both useful yet within fairly humble resource demands. I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly achieve, given a reasonable machine shop. Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinery Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one. Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey, around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for big things. A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into plasticine, for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because somebody, somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron  https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith anvil.
 
  On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast  Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low  impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the different  stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be  dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current in the screening material which requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
 
 A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the circuit to be protected..
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
  
Hi Norm, 
 
 
This paper is one of your excellent references.
 
 
I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet  just working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does  not cook.  
 
 
Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary.  
 
 

 
 
"Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to grow in."
 
 

 
 On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
  
    
Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the manifestation of this  energy. Please read:   http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
 
 On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
> Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor  switch.
 
 What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting more energy?
 
 Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or Arc/Spark.
 Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get rid of it.
 
  
  
 
    
        
   
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Bob you said at the point of plasma arc ...thats more evidence pointing to
temporary element fillping .like carbon to boron and back producing beta
energy .it's said with carbon there has to be some vaporiseation of the
carbon to get the effect .this may just be the source of free energy .not
the magnetic but the transmutation of some of the isotopes to the next
level of elements in a unstable condition then returning back and giving
off unpolarized beta radiation .that if fought in a polarizing magnetic
field gives it direction .a cold energy pump hidden in the experimentation
.with copper and carbon and there others with even greater potential
.notice there's a spark gap in many of these OU device's and copper and
carbon a plasma point associated with them !.

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ole,
>
> I had not anticipated this kind of event manifesting at the TVS sdand a
> crowbar would have worked.  However the plasma created event went right
> through the protection circuits like they were not there and made its way
> to the microelectronics.  It was so fast the gas tube did not even light
> just a little faint line though the center like the afterglow of a meteor.
>
> Just in the learning stages but so far convinced for now the best way to
> learn is to keep the event away from semi junctions until I understand much
> more of the hows wheres and why's.
>
>
> On 11/26/2018 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some max
> energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the max i^2t
> rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some
> level while having current through them at the same time which means power
> dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed
> to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The
> spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener
> diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects or
> dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state
> spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the
> TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the
> sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic
> radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent it from
> reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy
> as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be
> dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical conductive
> materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current in the screening
> material which requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a
> single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when building
> amplifiers.
>
> A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the pulse
> just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the circuit to be
> protected..
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> This paper is one of your excellent references.
>
> I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I achieved as
> it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but as you say gets
> to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At
> least the ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the
> TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2
> amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to
> manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap
> wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine.
> Have not built the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid
> control circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to
> cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.
>
> Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the
> feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, but
> have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created right at the
> switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before
> the end of a whip cracks and necessary.
>
>
> "Why does death need time?  Death needs time for what it kills to grow in."
>
>
> On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand that a
> local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the manifestation of
> this energy. Please read:   http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-
> bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
> On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical
> switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
>
> What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting more energy?
>
> Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or Arc/Spark.
> Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get rid of it.
>
> 
>