Re: Neutral Spike Re: [EVGRAY] Vehicle audio - Wikipedia

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Hi Norman,

I would prefer something that's not as harmful as those high power energy discharges. I remember Wolfgang Volkroot warning about microwaves and high energy discharges. Volkroot was chief of a Siemens high energy test lab and saw his coworkers doing the high energy discharges become sick when working with those EM radiating events for years. He also warned about microwaves that made the forests between the then East and West Germany die in straight lines where there were microwave links and powerful radars pointing to the east and west blocks. His opinion back then was that this was getting solved by using fiber optic links instead of microwaves. He should have known the coming revolution in mobile phones which now have microwave transmitters almost everywhere. It was said that enough data to know if mobile phones are harmful would be gathered in 20 years. Haven't we reached that time span now and what is the conclusion? If they're harmful will they be made illegal or is it up to the users to decide for themselves.

Conclusion is that I would prefer to avoid those EMP events and use something less harmful. The EMPs may harm other things then sensitive electronics. Humans don't have senses to fell electromagnetic radiations except for the one octave optical range and perhaps one or two octaves of of infrared radiation. Thus we can't feel the radiation if harmful or not.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron  https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/     This whole Neutral Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase. The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith anvil.

 On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current through them at the same time which means power dissipation in them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal. The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum. The field induces current in the screening material which requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when building amplifiers.
 
 A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to disconnect the circuit to be protected..
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Hi Norm, 

 This paper is one of your excellent references.

 I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it chose at the diodes to manifest.  Oh yeah the ferrotranny was connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.  

 Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and necessary.  

 

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 On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:   http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf

 On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@... mailto:bob.paddock@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor. Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor switch.
 
 What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in getting more energy?
 
 Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a Plasm or Arc/Spark.
 Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted to get rid of it.