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Warren,, Ha Ha, regarding the anvil, I had a 100 pound one my work bench 
but I saw some real big ones at old equipment auctions (Texas) in the 
300-400 pound class.   I know you have seen them around the old forges 
with bellows.     Mick, I cannot stand those sub miniature parts 
either.  for I just came in to my computer to order a new FWBR for my 
120VAC winch in the shop.  50 amp bridge and it has to come from China!  
Take my advice for it is really worth the extra effort to use the 
hydrogen thyratrons that I pointed out ( 
http://www.glvac.com/Product.asp ) and they are really like an anvil and 
not at all expensive.  On my Ferroresonance Capture Project I had 
collected a lot of caps rated to work in KV ranges.   I had a ton 
(literally) of the 600V oil filled for RV applications but as pointed 
out in a Ferroresonant state, working with transverter 3 phase, 230VAC 
you have to multiply your line in by a factor of at least 10X which is 
the self targeting stochastic state voltage excursions. A good storage 
scope would allow you to see when you happily hit on that unbalanced one 
leg condition which trips it into the stochastic state. Play the harmonics.

On 11/27/2018 12:17 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Warren,
>
> Hahah ant turds...  I know these are great for assembly line, RF and 
> high speed switching allowing for the close spacing but I really don't 
> enjoy working with this technology either troubleshooting or building 
> it.  Give me DIP with pins that go through holes and need to be 
> snipped, call us old fashioned right!
> I want some big parts that can fit in a mans hands and can dissipate 
> heat and are easy to find when knocked off the workbench and don't get 
> lost under fingernails.
>
>
> On 11/27/2018 7:10 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Thank you for a clear understanding, and communication of arc plasma 
>> spikes, and moving us on to embracing them, rather than traditionally 
>> considering them the enemy of fragile electronic circuits.
>> It is now about establishing a practical frequency, that is both 
>> useful yet within fairly humble resource demands.
>> I embrace mechanical solutions, as something I can certainly achieve, 
>> given a reasonable machine shop.
>> Oh, I can tough it out, populating a circuit, with discrete 
>> components, and even surface mount tiny ant turds, given a broad 
>> field microscope,, but it is not fun, or gratifying, like nice machinery
>> Speaking of black smith anvils, I am on the lookout for a nice old one.
>> Every one that I have looked at around here tends to be pricey, 
>> around$1,000 Canadian, or at least $10./ lb
>> I have a rather nice sized forge that burns bituminous coal, and a 
>> proper space to set it up. I can do nice wrought iron work, but have 
>> always used oxyacetelene, which is too expensive, and not handy for 
>> big things.
>> A walloping big anvil is a joy to use, turning steel into plasticine, 
>> for shaping. Too bad shipping is such a bitch, because somebody, 
>> somewhere, has a toe stubber out there.
>> Cheers Warren
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>>     On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 5:13 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     PLEASE, all, we are trying to enhance,purposely provoke and
>>     attempt to capture the event, NOT mitigate or prevent it from
>>     happening.   In all of the studies of the Ferroresonant
>>     phenomenon, all effort is to prevent, mitigate the effects.  Why
>>     do you insist on using solid state devices or circuits which need
>>     protection.  Just like the Russians who still use mini vacuum
>>     tubes in critical EMP vulnerable aviation equipment, I would fall
>>     back to using the trusted Vacuum Thyratron
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron
>>     https://dbtubes.com/en/thyratron-vacuum-tube/ This whole Neutral
>>     Spike (EMP event) study is to prove that an extra ordinary form
>>     of energy is manifest at the point of magnetic flux annihilation
>>     (In the plasma of the arc).  It is called the reconnect phase.
>>     The preponderance of the knowledge of this subject has been the
>>     study of the magnetic ropes (plasma) of the sun and the EMP burst
>>     from the annihilation/reconnect phenomenon. The old saying, As
>>     above so below certainly applies here for these plasma conditions
>>     have been accomplished in research labs to prove out exactly what
>>     happens.  Run with what we have learned by applying the info in
>>     your device design and methodology.   As strong as a blacksmith
>>     anvil.
>>
>>     On 11/26/2018 7:21 PM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>     TVS diodes are rated for some max power dissipation and perhaps
>>>     some max energy too (fusing energy I^2t). If applying more
>>>     energy than the max i^2t rating it melts. As being fast Zener
>>>     diodes they clamp the voltage at some level while having current
>>>     through them at the same time which means power dissipation in
>>>     them. If reading EMC (EMI) theory several stages are needed to
>>>     protect for powerful EMP transients. The first step is a spark
>>>     gap. The spark gap is followed by a varistor that is followed by
>>>     a TVS or Zener diode. The spark gap breaks down to low impedance
>>>     which reflects or dissipates much of the energy of the signal.
>>>     The varistor is a solid state spark in some metal grains and has
>>>     the same purpose as the spark gap. the TVS or Zener diode stage
>>>     removes the rest of the energy to protect the sensitive
>>>     electronics. It is essential to know how the electromagnetic
>>>     radiation is transferred between the different stages to prevent
>>>     it from reaching the sensitive electronics. Every current loop
>>>     transmits the energy as a very penetrating magnetic field. That
>>>     magnetic energy has to be dissipated or reflected which can be
>>>     done with electrical conductive materials like iron or aluminum.
>>>     The field induces current in the screening material which
>>>     requires only connecting the circuit inside the screen to a
>>>     single point. Audio guys probably have experienced this when
>>>     building amplifiers.
>>>
>>>     A thyristor (SCR) crowbar is also a good protection. It shorts
>>>     the pulse just like a spark gap and then blows a fuse to
>>>     disconnect the circuit to be protected..
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     Hi Norm,
>>>
>>>     This paper is one of your excellent references.
>>>
>>>     I would like to replicate the events through the plasma that I
>>>     achieved as it creates a huge magnetic pulse that can be
>>>     harvested but as you say gets to kill the solid state stuff as
>>>     if the TVS diodes were not even there. At least the
>>>     ferroresonant amplification without the plasma gap just cooks
>>>     the TVS diodes like popcorn even though rated at 1000 amps with
>>>     only about 2 amp 23v input, but spared the rest, I guess it
>>>     chose at the diodes to manifest. Oh yeah the ferrotranny was
>>>     connected with 30 guage wire wrap wire when the 1000 amps TVS
>>>     diodes exploded from 46w and wire was fine. Have not built the
>>>     tube circuits yet just working on the solid state grid control
>>>     circuits first then plan to decouple with something similar to
>>>     cascode so hopefully the superfast gate driver does not cook.
>>>
>>>     Not sure if Ole's snubber network would stop the event but have
>>>     the feeling so since caps will suppress the rise time and kill
>>>     ringing, but have not tried so can't say.  Seems to me the event
>>>     is created right at the switch and the rise in voltage is like
>>>     the inertia x acceleration before the end of a whip cracks and
>>>     necessary.
>>>
>>>
>>>     "Why does death need time? Death needs time for what it kills to
>>>     grow in."
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 11/26/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>         Precisely, Bob Paddock.  Please read this document to
>>>>         understand that a local plasma event must occur (Arc in the
>>>>         gap) for the manifestation of this energy. Please read:
>>>>         http://www-brs.ub.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/netahtml/HSS/Diss/TassiEmanuele/diss.pdf
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/25/2018 7:36 PM, Bob Paddock bob.paddock@...
>>>>         <mailto:bob.paddock@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         > Why not replace the relay with a switching transistor.
>>>>>         Mechanical switches wear fast compared to a semiconductor
>>>>>         switch.
>>>>>
>>>>>         What if the Arc/Spark is part of the actual process in
>>>>>         getting more energy?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Every O/U thing I've ever though worked usually had a
>>>>>         Plasm or Arc/Spark.
>>>>>         Usually not intentionally and the designer always wanted
>>>>>         to get rid of it.
>>>>>
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