Reguaging a pancake coil

Have been experimenting with energy through the earth, dual ground rod
and coils.  In a sort of dual pancake setup DC pulsing a cap/coil at
about 800v when a second ground is connected parallel to a charging cap
across a GDT voltage divider a compass sitting on pancake coil  begins
to spin, when a magnet is placed across 1/3 of the coil the compass
speeds up significantly.  This energy seems to charge caps very quickly.

There may also be a re-guaging of caps when using this energy for a
length of time but have not yet verified.

Odd things begin to happen after sending DC through the earth for
awhile, battery digital voltmeters begin to malfunction and require
rebooting when measuring DC filled caps.

I would not be surprised if conditioning of the earth takes place by
pulsing dc through in one direction to align changes.

About 1/2 wave rectification.  One might think of two diodes as doing
the same work as one across an AC source such as charging a cap that is
until one thinks in terms of check valves!

I think the reason we see different performance from spark gaps compared
to regular switching is the phase modulation it imposes creating the
longitudinal pumping function we miss with conventional transverse modal
wave.

Relay and point type devices can also create this modulation.

This makes me think in terms of hydraulics and pneumatics.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:19 PM Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Mick! Tesla always used a mechanical or hydraulic analog to help understand his devices!

US Patent: 1,941,593 01/02/1934 "PUMPING" .

This patent is interesting in that it shows the plumbing equivalent to resonance
circuits, high pass, low pass, and band pass filters.

https://archive.org/details/BobPaddockTonibioBellocqCompressionWavePumpinoperation

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1941593

Mick! Tesla always used a mechanical or hydraulic analog to help understand his devices!

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  On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Have been experimenting with energy through the earth, dual ground rod
and coils.  In a sort of dual pancake setup DC pulsing a cap/coil at
about 800v when a second ground is connected parallel to a charging cap
across a GDT voltage divider a compass sitting on pancake coil  begins
to spin, when a magnet is placed across 1/3 of the coil the compass
speeds up significantly.  This energy seems to charge caps very quickly.

There may also be a re-guaging of caps when using this energy for a
length of time but have not yet verified.

Odd things begin to happen after sending DC through the earth for
awhile, battery digital voltmeters begin to malfunction and require
rebooting when measuring DC filled caps.

I would not be surprised if conditioning of the earth takes place by
pulsing dc through in one direction to align changes.

About 1/2 wave rectification.  One might think of two diodes as doing
the same work as one across an AC source such as charging a cap that is
until one thinks in terms of check valves!

I think the reason we see different performance from spark gaps compared
to regular switching is the phase modulation it imposes creating the
longitudinal pumping function we miss with conventional transverse modal
wave.

Relay and point type devices can also create this modulation.

This makes me think in terms of hydraulics and pneumatics.


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Hi Mick
Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know 
But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap discharges to a load...
Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together for sphere...
I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
Kone

Mick, 2 things...

#1, Please use multiple different metals in your circuit, the more the
merrier.

#2, Can you please produce a diagram of what you describe?


On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Have been experimenting with energy through the earth, dual ground rod
> and coils.  In a sort of dual pancake setup DC pulsing a cap/coil at
> about 800v when a second ground is connected parallel to a charging cap
> across a GDT voltage divider a compass sitting on pancake coil  begins
> to spin, when a magnet is placed across 1/3 of the coil the compass
> speeds up significantly.  This energy seems to charge caps very quickly.
>
> There may also be a re-guaging of caps when using this energy for a
> length of time but have not yet verified.
>
> Odd things begin to happen after sending DC through the earth for
> awhile, battery digital voltmeters begin to malfunction and require
> rebooting when measuring DC filled caps.
>
> I would not be surprised if conditioning of the earth takes place by
> pulsing dc through in one direction to align changes.
>
> About 1/2 wave rectification.  One might think of two diodes as doing
> the same work as one across an AC source such as charging a cap that is
> until one thinks in terms of check valves!
>
> I think the reason we see different performance from spark gaps compared
> to regular switching is the phase modulation it imposes creating the
> longitudinal pumping function we miss with conventional transverse modal
> wave.
>
> Relay and point type devices can also create this modulation.
>
> This makes me think in terms of hydraulics and pneumatics.
>
> 
>

Hi John,

Yes there are many iterations and different metals are in the works. 
This is just extremely basic stuff in order to try to make
determinations concerning earth energy and magnetic fields.  When I come
to some conclusions with the DC I will move to AC and re-evaluate findings.

Attached is a pic I quickly made in paint as I don't have a schematic
diagram program on this puter. Any simple schematic drawing app
recommendations are encouraged as I am taking suggestions. The circuit
diagrammed is for the most part what I am using and trying different
sorts of coils and adding magnets on top or not, and as you say diff
types of core material metals etc.  Diodes and single GDT are
experimented on both sides of coil in both directions.

Frequency at present time is very slow DC pulses, later things will be
sped up.


On 9/27/2018 11:48 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick, 2 things...
>
> #1, Please use multiple different metals in your circuit, the more the
> merrier.
>
> #2, Can you please produce a diagram of what you describe?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Have been experimenting with energy through the earth, dual ground rod
>     and coils.  In a sort of dual pancake setup DC pulsing a cap/coil at
>     about 800v when a second ground is connected parallel to a
>     charging cap
>     across a GDT voltage divider a compass sitting on pancake coil  begins
>     to spin, when a magnet is placed across 1/3 of the coil the compass
>     speeds up significantly.  This energy seems to charge caps very
>     quickly.
>
>     There may also be a re-guaging of caps when using this energy for a
>     length of time but have not yet verified.
>
>     Odd things begin to happen after sending DC through the earth for
>     awhile, battery digital voltmeters begin to malfunction and require
>     rebooting when measuring DC filled caps.
>
>     I would not be surprised if conditioning of the earth takes place by
>     pulsing dc through in one direction to align changes.
>
>     About 1/2 wave rectification.  One might think of two diodes as doing
>     the same work as one across an AC source such as charging a cap
>     that is
>     until one thinks in terms of check valves!
>
>     I think the reason we see different performance from spark gaps
>     compared
>     to regular switching is the phase modulation it imposes creating the
>     longitudinal pumping function we miss with conventional transverse
>     modal
>     wave.
>
>     Relay and point type devices can also create this modulation.
>
>     This makes me think in terms of hydraulics and pneumatics.
>
>

John,

The drive coil I think is on the first ground rather than the second,
would have to go look, but as I say trying all iterations.


On 9/27/2018 11:48 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick, 2 things...
>
> #1, Please use multiple different metals in your circuit, the more the
> merrier.
>
> #2, Can you please produce a diagram of what you describe?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Have been experimenting with energy through the earth, dual ground rod
>     and coils.  In a sort of dual pancake setup DC pulsing a cap/coil at
>     about 800v when a second ground is connected parallel to a
>     charging cap
>     across a GDT voltage divider a compass sitting on pancake coil  begins
>     to spin, when a magnet is placed across 1/3 of the coil the compass
>     speeds up significantly.  This energy seems to charge caps very
>     quickly.
>
>     There may also be a re-guaging of caps when using this energy for a
>     length of time but have not yet verified.
>
>     Odd things begin to happen after sending DC through the earth for
>     awhile, battery digital voltmeters begin to malfunction and require
>     rebooting when measuring DC filled caps.
>
>     I would not be surprised if conditioning of the earth takes place by
>     pulsing dc through in one direction to align changes.
>
>     About 1/2 wave rectification.  One might think of two diodes as doing
>     the same work as one across an AC source such as charging a cap
>     that is
>     until one thinks in terms of check valves!
>
>     I think the reason we see different performance from spark gaps
>     compared
>     to regular switching is the phase modulation it imposes creating the
>     longitudinal pumping function we miss with conventional transverse
>     modal
>     wave.
>
>     Relay and point type devices can also create this modulation.
>
>     This makes me think in terms of hydraulics and pneumatics.
>
>

Kone,

A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly asymmetric
as each compression or rarefaction would need to be caught at 1/8 - 1/4
wavelength and disconnected to charge with conventional sine wave for
instance.   Otherwise as you say the charge is equalized with AC.    I
think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark out as you say at just
the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the
other side of the 1/4.

Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very
short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher harmonics
than the fundamental.

High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of
interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for instance. 
With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in voltage to
destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening.  First is a hissing
as insulation breaks through and the sound of air escaping a punctured
tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the voltage stored in the
cap with jump with a huge flash and bang, very dangerous!

The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is
another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of
killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  Having
enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.


On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about
> 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils
> (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make
> the ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy dc with
> just the right Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to use
> sparkgaps to rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you
> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is
> usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential
> in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast
> of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in
> that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap
> discharges to a load...
> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor
> ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant
> supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together
> for sphere...
> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
> Kone
>
>

Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark 
out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to 
it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.

DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, for 
Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with negative 
unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched discharge 
tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly quenched 
discharge tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff system was going 
to work with the huge underground earthing grid. Sort of like Hector 
deep earth ball.  His findings while experimenting with Telegraphy in 
1899 allowed his ability to radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A or 
20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses (unidirectional with negative polarity).  
The elevated antennae terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the 
Master, left this vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should 
work.   You do not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to you 
to improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm

On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Kone,
>
> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly asymmetric 
> as each compression or rarefaction would need to be caught at 1/8 - 
> 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with conventional sine wave 
> for instance. Otherwise as you say the charge is equalized with AC.    
> I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark out as you say at 
> just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on 
> the other side of the 1/4.
>
> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very 
> short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher harmonics 
> than the fundamental.
>
> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of 
> interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for 
> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in 
> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening.  First 
> is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of air 
> escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the 
> voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash and bang, very 
> dangerous!
>
> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is 
> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of 
> killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  Having 
> enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>
>
> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mick
>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about 
>> 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils 
>> (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make 
>> the ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy dc 
>> with just the right Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to 
>> use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you 
>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is 
>> usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential 
>> in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast 
>> of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in 
>> that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap 
>> discharges to a load...
>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor 
>> ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant 
>> supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together 
>> for sphere...
>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>> Kone
>>
>
>

Norm,

Have you replicated this experiment?


On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark
> out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior
> to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>
> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, for
> Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with
> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched
> discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly
> quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff system
> was going to work with the huge underground earthing grid.  Sort of
> like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings while experimenting with
> Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to radiate pulses into the
> ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses (unidirectional
> with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae terminal carried a
> positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this vivid clue as to how
> your ground pulse approach should work.   You do not have to re-invent
> the wheel for it was given to you to improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm
>
> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Kone,
>>
>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly
>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be caught
>> at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with conventional
>> sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the charge is
>> equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the
>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront
>> prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>
>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very
>> short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher harmonics
>> than the fundamental.
>>
>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of
>> interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for
>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in
>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening. 
>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of air
>> escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the
>> voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash and bang, very
>> dangerous!
>>
>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is
>> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of
>> killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high. 
>> Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi Mick
>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about
>>> 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils
>>> (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could
>>> make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy
>>> dc with just the right Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses
>>> to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes
>>> back then.
>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you
>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is
>>> usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential
>>> in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast
>>> of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in
>>> that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap
>>> discharges to a load...
>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor
>>> ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant
>>> supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together
>>> for sphere...
>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>>> Kone
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi Norm
That quote was from Mick, not me...he was replying to my description of how I could rectify the spark gap energy of about 2000v coming from my 90 degree positioned "splatter coils" that pickup the compressed flux shooting out sides of the Airgap between NN bucking coils in my konehead/low voltage Gray motors. At the Dallas Keelynet conference I described this as similar to Kennedy being shot in the front and back of head at same time blowing his brains out sideways just to get a sick laugh I remember after my speech Jerry came up to me with index fingers pointed at front and back of head and thumbs raised  haha I got my description through at least ...thought it was appropriate being in Dallas
Kone

Norm,

Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those caps
how amazing.

Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check for a
mirror charge in positive?

As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little batteries
work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about 80 or so feet up?

Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet wrapped into
a hybrid perm-electromagnet?

My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets are made
now, but not sure...


On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was
> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I had
> liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and moved
> back into Dallas.
>
>
> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on of
> my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that the
> the anode output was now negative output instead of positive to be
> used  to drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at
> 60KV.  I had a bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I
> used a large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at various
> pulse rates via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV caps came out
> of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and  I managed to get 60
> of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5 killo-Joules per
> pulse.  The re-charge time of the cap bank dictated the rate of
> firing.   By discharging the caps through the very powerful magnetic
> horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC discharge which
> was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave that Tesla
> described in his experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I just
> wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I
> did not replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Have you replicated this experiment?
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the
>>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8
>>> wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>
>>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes,
>>> for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with
>>> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched
>>> discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly
>>> quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff
>>> system was going to work with the huge underground earthing grid. 
>>> Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings while
>>> experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to radiate
>>> pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses
>>> (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae
>>> terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this
>>> vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should work.   You
>>> do not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to
>>> improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Kone,
>>>>
>>>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly
>>>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be
>>>> caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with
>>>> conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the
>>>> charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet to
>>>> snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance for the
>>>> 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>
>>>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates
>>>> very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher
>>>> harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>
>>>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts
>>>> of interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for
>>>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in
>>>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening. 
>>>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of
>>>> air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to
>>>> conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash
>>>> and bang, very dangerous!
>>>>
>>>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is
>>>> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of
>>>> killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high. 
>>>> Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mick
>>>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of
>>>>> about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc
>>>>> ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted
>>>>> precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal
>>>>> suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance.
>>>>> Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the
>>>>> time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you
>>>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there
>>>>> is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't
>>>>> know
>>>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and
>>>>> potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good
>>>>> blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting
>>>>> stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing
>>>>> when ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere
>>>>> capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe
>>>>> restaurant supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could
>>>>> put together for sphere...
>>>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>>>>> Kone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was 
unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I had 
liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and moved back 
into Dallas.


Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on of 
my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that the the 
anode output was now negative output instead of positive to be used  to 
drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at 60KV.  I 
had a bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I used a 
large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at various pulse rates 
via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV caps came out of SLAC, 
Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and  I managed to get 60 of them at 
2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5 killo-Joules per pulse.  The 
re-charge time of the cap bank dictated the rate of firing.   By 
discharging the caps through the very powerful magnetic horn gap I got 
that unidirectional pure negative DC discharge which was a blue white 
fire and gave the physical shock wave that Tesla described in his 
experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I just wish I had found the 
page 25 info while I had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not replicate Tesla's 
page 25 experiment!






On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Have you replicated this experiment?
>
>
> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the 
>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront 
>> prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>
>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, 
>> for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with 
>> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched 
>> discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly 
>> quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff 
>> system was going to work with the huge underground earthing grid.  
>> Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings while 
>> experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to radiate 
>> pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses 
>> (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae 
>> terminal carried a positive charge. Tesla, the Master, left this 
>> vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should work.   You do 
>> not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to improve! 
>> BTW, Great work! Norm
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Kone,
>>>
>>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly 
>>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be 
>>> caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with 
>>> conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the 
>>> charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet to 
>>> snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 
>>> 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>
>>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very 
>>> short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher 
>>> harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>
>>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of 
>>> interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for 
>>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in 
>>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening.  
>>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of air 
>>> escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the 
>>> voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash and bang, very 
>>> dangerous!
>>>
>>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is 
>>> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of 
>>> killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  
>>> Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mick
>>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about 
>>>> 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils 
>>>> (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could 
>>>> make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy 
>>>> dc with just the right Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses 
>>>> to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes 
>>>> back then.
>>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you 
>>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there 
>>>> is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
>>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and 
>>>> potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good 
>>>> blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting 
>>>> stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing when 
>>>> ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor 
>>>> ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant 
>>>> supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together 
>>>> for sphere...
>>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>>>> Kone
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

James,

Don Smith had some very strange ideas such as the counter wound one amp
the other volts.  I certainly do not get this reasoning but again may be
missing something.  Counterwinding coils would create a phase change and
depending on when they are switched wavelength etc other aspects.  One
can create a phased modulation like the EH antenna or collapse the E
component but clockwise volts counterclock amps I have a mental
disconnect on that claim.  I would love to know if he has substance
behind this claim or hot air.


On 9/29/2018 7:14 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I don't know if this is of help but recently I've  noticed that with
> Tesla and two other people who replicated his work making miniatures
> of his towers that the receiving coil is counter clockwise .which I'
> don't think don Smith showed .excel with the CW ccw recever one for
> amps one for volts .but in general nope ..everything else seems the
> same as Tesla .what's up with that ?.a trip up for the public ?.
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Norm,
>
>     Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those
>     caps how amazing.
>
>     Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check
>     for a mirror charge in positive?
>
>     As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little
>     batteries work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about
>     80 or so feet up?
>
>     Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet
>     wrapped into a hybrid perm-electromagnet?
>
>     My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets
>     are made now, but not sure...
>
>
>     On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was
>>     unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012
>>     I had liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm
>>     and moved back into Dallas.
>>
>>
>>     Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked
>>     on of my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so
>>     that the the anode output was now negative output instead of
>>     positive to be used  to drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC
>>     negative power supply at 60KV.  I had a bank of capacitors to
>>     charge using the HVDC supply.  I used a large DC long throw HV
>>     relay which I could fire at various pulse rates via mechanical
>>     insulated actuator.  The 60KV caps came out of SLAC, Stanford
>>     Linear Accelerator Complex and  I managed to get 60 of them at
>>     2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5 killo-Joules per pulse. 
>>     The re-charge time of the cap bank dictated the rate of firing.  
>>     By discharging the caps through the very powerful magnetic horn
>>     gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC discharge which
>>     was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave that Tesla
>>     described in his experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I
>>     just wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my Lab.  
>>     Sorry NO, I did not replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Norm,
>>>
>>>     Have you replicated this experiment?
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff
>>>>     the spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8
>>>>     wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>
>>>>     DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs
>>>>     Notes, for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the
>>>>     earth with negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a
>>>>     magnetic quenched discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic
>>>>     rectifier via a rapidly quenched discharge tube.  This is
>>>>     precisely how the Wardencliff system was going to work with the
>>>>     huge underground earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth
>>>>     ball.  His findings while experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899
>>>>     allowed his ability to radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A
>>>>     or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses (unidirectional with negative
>>>>     polarity).  The elevated antennae terminal carried a positive
>>>>     charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this vivid clue as to how your
>>>>     ground pulse approach should work.   You do not have to
>>>>     re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to improve!  BTW,
>>>>     Great work! Norm
>>>>
>>>>     On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>     Kone,
>>>>>
>>>>>     A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly
>>>>>     asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be
>>>>>     caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with
>>>>>     conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say
>>>>>     the charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a
>>>>>     magnet to snuff the spark out as you say at just the right
>>>>>     distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the
>>>>>     other side of the 1/4.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it
>>>>>     creates very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so
>>>>>     much higher harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>>
>>>>>     High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all
>>>>>     sorts of interesting havoc charging up layered walls as
>>>>>     capacitors for instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the
>>>>>     cap will rise in voltage to destruction and the plasma
>>>>>     explosions are deafening.  First is a hissing as insulation
>>>>>     breaks through and the sound of air escaping a punctured
>>>>>     tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the voltage stored
>>>>>     in the cap with jump with a huge flash and bang, very dangerous!
>>>>>
>>>>>     The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but
>>>>>     shipping is another story.   One could use a well I suppose
>>>>>     but the danger of killing the well motor and having no water
>>>>>     is a risk too high.  Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's
>>>>>     around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Hi Mick
>>>>>>     Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of
>>>>>>     about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc
>>>>>>     ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap
>>>>>>     adjusted precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse
>>>>>>     signal suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap
>>>>>>     distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to
>>>>>>     rectify HV all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>>>     Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you
>>>>>>     disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load
>>>>>>     there is usually nothing there like the forces cancel
>>>>>>     naturally l don't know
>>>>>>     But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and
>>>>>>     potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a
>>>>>>     good blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil
>>>>>>     shorting stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there
>>>>>>     is nothing when ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>>>>     Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere
>>>>>>     capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to
>>>>>>     try....maybe restaurant supply store has a couple giant
>>>>>>     mixing bowls you could put together for sphere...
>>>>>>     I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when
>>>>>>     I find it
>>>>>>     Kone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

James,

A CB does not transmit longitudinal modulated waves as do Tesla spark
gap devices. One will be missing the pumping action with regular crystal
controlled AM without some mods.  There is a reason why so many
replications of Tesla don't work and that is people substitute modern parts.


On 9/29/2018 7:40 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Well from what I've seen lately it's kind of simple to replicate
> .Tesla tower in miniature and it works with the counter clockwise
> coil.two matching coils pancake and a radio wave source ...and some
> thing to wave form it .I was thinking a cheap 27 Chanel citizens band
> radio they have crystal frequency control .at about 4 Watts .if the
> replicators are right you can get from 5 to 10 times back .there's
> really nothing much there but two coils a ball covered in foil and a
> radio source . just looking for now .
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     James,
>
>     Don Smith had some very strange ideas such as the counter wound
>     one amp the other volts.  I certainly do not get this reasoning
>     but again may be missing something.  Counterwinding coils would
>     create a phase change and depending on when they are switched
>     wavelength etc other aspects.  One can create a phased modulation
>     like the EH antenna or collapse the E component but clockwise
>     volts counterclock amps I have a mental disconnect on that claim. 
>     I would love to know if he has substance behind this claim or hot air.
>
>
>     On 9/29/2018 7:14 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     I don't know if this is of help but recently I've  noticed that
>>     with Tesla and two other people who replicated his work making
>>     miniatures of his towers that the receiving coil is counter
>>     clockwise .which I' don't think don Smith showed .excel with the
>>     CW ccw recever one for amps one for volts .but in general nope
>>     ..everything else seems the same as Tesla .what's up with that
>>     ?.a trip up for the public ?.
>>
>>     On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Norm,
>>
>>         Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit. 
>>         Those caps how amazing.
>>
>>         Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and
>>         check for a mirror charge in positive?
>>
>>         As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little
>>         batteries work based on that adjustable top load ball he had
>>         about 80 or so feet up?
>>
>>         Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet
>>         wrapped into a hybrid perm-electromagnet?
>>
>>         My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how
>>         magnets are made now, but not sure...
>>
>>
>>         On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it
>>>         was unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012. 
>>>         In 2012 I had liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre
>>>         Research Farm and moved back into Dallas.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and
>>>         Re-worked on of my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the
>>>         diode array so that the the anode output was now negative
>>>         output instead of positive to be used  to drive the disrupt
>>>         coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at 60KV.  I had a
>>>         bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I used
>>>         a large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at various
>>>         pulse rates via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV
>>>         caps came out of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex
>>>         and  I managed to get 60 of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was
>>>         discharging about 5 killo-Joules per pulse.  The re-charge
>>>         time of the cap bank dictated the rate of firing.   By
>>>         discharging the caps through the very powerful magnetic horn
>>>         gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC discharge
>>>         which was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave
>>>         that Tesla described in his experiments. Was an interesting
>>>         experiment. I just wish I had found the page 25 info while I
>>>         had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not replicate Tesla's page 25
>>>         experiment!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Norm,
>>>>
>>>>         Have you replicated this experiment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to
>>>>>         snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance
>>>>>         for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other
>>>>>         side of the 1/4.
>>>>>
>>>>>         DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado
>>>>>         Springs Notes, for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how
>>>>>         to pulse the earth with negative unidirectional
>>>>>         longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched discharge
>>>>>         tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly
>>>>>         quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the
>>>>>         Wardencliff system was going to work with the huge
>>>>>         underground earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth
>>>>>         ball.  His findings while experimenting with Telegraphy in
>>>>>         1899 allowed his ability to radiate pulses into the ground
>>>>>         at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses
>>>>>         (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated
>>>>>         antennae terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the
>>>>>         Master, left this vivid clue as to how your ground pulse
>>>>>         approach should work.   You do not have to re-invent the
>>>>>         wheel for it was given to you to improve!  BTW, Great
>>>>>         work! Norm
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Kone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is
>>>>>>         highly asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction
>>>>>>         would need to be caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and
>>>>>>         disconnected to charge with conventional sine wave for
>>>>>>         instance.   Otherwise as you say the charge is equalized
>>>>>>         with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the
>>>>>>         spark out as you say at just the right distance for the
>>>>>>         1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of
>>>>>>         the 1/4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it
>>>>>>         creates very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength
>>>>>>         so much higher harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause
>>>>>>         all sorts of interesting havoc charging up layered walls
>>>>>>         as capacitors for instance.  With a pair of diodes and
>>>>>>         GDT's the cap will rise in voltage to destruction and the
>>>>>>         plasma explosions are deafening.  First is a hissing as
>>>>>>         insulation breaks through and the sound of air escaping a
>>>>>>         punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to conduct the
>>>>>>         voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash and
>>>>>>         bang, very dangerous!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but
>>>>>>         shipping is another story.   One could use a well I
>>>>>>         suppose but the danger of killing the well motor and
>>>>>>         having no water is a risk too high.  Having enough
>>>>>>         trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Hi Mick
>>>>>>>         Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping
>>>>>>>         experiments of about 2000v coming from 90 degree to
>>>>>>>         Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils (konehead motor)
>>>>>>>         the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make the
>>>>>>>         ac looking pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all
>>>>>>>         humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance. Someone
>>>>>>>         told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all
>>>>>>>         the time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>>>>         Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with
>>>>>>>         AC...when you disconnect charging of it then use cap to
>>>>>>>         discharge to load there is usually nothing there like
>>>>>>>         the forces cancel naturally l don't know
>>>>>>>         But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules
>>>>>>>         and potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge
>>>>>>>         you see a good blast of.power. I noticed same thing with
>>>>>>>         my peak coil shorting stuff in that without diodes first
>>>>>>>         to rectify there is nothing when ac cap discharges to a
>>>>>>>         load...
>>>>>>>         Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal
>>>>>>>         sphere capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting
>>>>>>>         to try....maybe restaurant supply store has a couple
>>>>>>>         giant mixing bowls you could put together for sphere...
>>>>>>>         I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it
>>>>>>>         when I find it
>>>>>>>         Kone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

I don't know if this is of help but recently I've  noticed that with Tesla
and two other people who replicated his work making miniatures of his
towers that the receiving coil is counter clockwise .which I' don't think
don Smith showed .excel with the CW ccw recever one for amps one for volts
.but in general nope ..everything else seems the same as Tesla .what's up
with that ?.a trip up for the public ?.

On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those caps
> how amazing.
>
> Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check for a
> mirror charge in positive?
>
> As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little batteries
> work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about 80 or so feet up?
>
> Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet wrapped into a
> hybrid perm-electromagnet?
>
> My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets are made
> now, but not sure...
>
> On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was
> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I had
> liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and moved back
> into Dallas.
>
>
> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on of my
> X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that the the anode
> output was now negative output instead of positive to be used  to drive the
> disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at 60KV.  I had a bank of
> capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I used a large DC long throw
> HV relay which I could fire at various pulse rates via mechanical insulated
> actuator.  The 60KV caps came out of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator
> Complex and  I managed to get 60 of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging
> about 5 killo-Joules per pulse.  The re-charge time of the cap bank
> dictated the rate of firing.   By discharging the caps through the very
> powerful magnetic horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC
> discharge which was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave that
> Tesla described in his experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I just
> wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not
> replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> Have you replicated this experiment?
>
> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark out
> as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it
> dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>
> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, for
> Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with negative
> unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched discharge tube.
> Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly quenched discharge
> tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff system was going to work with
> the huge underground earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.
> His findings while experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his
> ability to radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200
> VDC pulses (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae
> terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this vivid
> clue as to how your ground pulse approach should work.   You do not have to
> re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to improve!  BTW, Great work!
> Norm
>
> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Kone,
>
> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly asymmetric as
> each compression or rarefaction would need to be caught at 1/8 - 1/4
> wavelength and disconnected to charge with conventional sine wave for
> instance.   Otherwise as you say the charge is equalized with AC.    I
> think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark out as you say at just
> the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other
> side of the 1/4.
>
> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very short
> DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher harmonics than the
> fundamental.
>
> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of
> interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for instance.
> With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in voltage to destruction
> and the plasma explosions are deafening.  First is a hissing as insulation
> breaks through and the sound of air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air
> ionizes enough to conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a
> huge flash and bang, very dangerous!
>
> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is
> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of killing
> the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  Having enough
> trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>
> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick
> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about 2000v
> coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils (konehead
> motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make the ac looking
> pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right
> Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV
> all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you disconnect
> charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is usually nothing
> there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential in
> there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast of.power. I
> noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in that without diodes
> first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap discharges to a load...
> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor ball
> in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant supply store
> has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together for sphere...
> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
> Kone
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Well from what I've seen lately it's kind of simple to replicate .Tesla
tower in miniature and it works with the counter clockwise coil.two
matching coils pancake and a radio wave source ...and some thing to wave
form it .I was thinking a cheap 27 Chanel citizens band radio they have
crystal frequency control .at about 4 Watts .if the replicators are right
you can get from 5 to 10 times back .there's really nothing much there but
two coils a ball covered in foil and a radio source . just looking for now .

On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James,
>
> Don Smith had some very strange ideas such as the counter wound one amp
> the other volts.  I certainly do not get this reasoning but again may be
> missing something.  Counterwinding coils would create a phase change and
> depending on when they are switched wavelength etc other aspects.  One can
> create a phased modulation like the EH antenna or collapse the E component
> but clockwise volts counterclock amps I have a mental disconnect on that
> claim.  I would love to know if he has substance behind this claim or hot
> air.
>
> On 9/29/2018 7:14 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't know if this is of help but recently I've  noticed that with Tesla
> and two other people who replicated his work making miniatures of his
> towers that the receiving coil is counter clockwise .which I' don't think
> don Smith showed .excel with the CW ccw recever one for amps one for volts
> .but in general nope ..everything else seems the same as Tesla .what's up
> with that ?.a trip up for the public ?.
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those caps
>> how amazing.
>>
>> Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check for a
>> mirror charge in positive?
>>
>> As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little batteries
>> work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about 80 or so feet up?
>>
>> Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet wrapped into
>> a hybrid perm-electromagnet?
>>
>> My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets are made
>> now, but not sure...
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was
>> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I had
>> liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and moved back
>> into Dallas.
>>
>>
>> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on of my
>> X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that the the anode
>> output was now negative output instead of positive to be used  to drive the
>> disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at 60KV.  I had a bank of
>> capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I used a large DC long throw
>> HV relay which I could fire at various pulse rates via mechanical insulated
>> actuator.  The 60KV caps came out of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator
>> Complex and  I managed to get 60 of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging
>> about 5 killo-Joules per pulse.  The re-charge time of the cap bank
>> dictated the rate of firing.   By discharging the caps through the very
>> powerful magnetic horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC
>> discharge which was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave that
>> Tesla described in his experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I just
>> wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not
>> replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Have you replicated this experiment?
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark
>> out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it
>> dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>
>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, for
>> Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with negative
>> unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched discharge tube.
>> Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly quenched discharge
>> tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff system was going to work with
>> the huge underground earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.
>> His findings while experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his
>> ability to radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200
>> VDC pulses (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae
>> terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this vivid
>> clue as to how your ground pulse approach should work.   You do not have to
>> re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to improve!  BTW, Great work!
>> Norm
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Kone,
>>
>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly asymmetric as
>> each compression or rarefaction would need to be caught at 1/8 - 1/4
>> wavelength and disconnected to charge with conventional sine wave for
>> instance.   Otherwise as you say the charge is equalized with AC.    I
>> think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the spark out as you say at just
>> the right distance for the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other
>> side of the 1/4.
>>
>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates very
>> short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher harmonics than
>> the fundamental.
>>
>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts of
>> interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for instance.
>> With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in voltage to destruction
>> and the plasma explosions are deafening.  First is a hissing as insulation
>> breaks through and the sound of air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air
>> ionizes enough to conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a
>> huge flash and bang, very dangerous!
>>
>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is
>> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of killing
>> the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  Having enough
>> trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>
>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mick
>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of about 2000v
>> coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc ucking coils (konehead
>> motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted precise could make the ac looking
>> pulse and collapse signal suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right
>> Airgap distance. Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV
>> all the time as no good HV diodes back then.
>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you disconnect
>> charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there is usually nothing
>> there like the forces cancel naturally l don't know
>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and potential in
>> there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good blast of.power. I
>> noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting stuff in that without diodes
>> first to rectify there is nothing when ac cap discharges to a load...
>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere capacitor ball
>> in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe restaurant supply store
>> has a couple giant mixing bowls you could put together for sphere...
>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>> Kone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

Mick or Kone, I have my video of review of 40 years of Research which 
was recorded at the Telsa ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference 2016.   I 
will mail the DVD to one of you guys to put up on YouTube so all the 
information can be shared and not lost. Many topics covered such as the 
final disposition of the famous Golka Leadville Coil and many other 
interesting subjects.  I really would like to share this information.  
As you well know, a DVD is far too large to post to Yahoo Group!


On 9/29/2018 6:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was 
> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I had 
> liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and moved 
> back into Dallas.
>
>
> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on of 
> my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that the 
> the anode output was now negative output instead of positive to be 
> used  to drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power supply at 
> 60KV.  I had a bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC supply.  I 
> used a large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at various 
> pulse rates via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV caps came out 
> of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and  I managed to get 60 
> of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5 killo-Joules per 
> pulse.  The re-charge time of the cap bank dictated the rate of 
> firing.   By discharging the caps through the very powerful magnetic 
> horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC discharge which 
> was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock wave that Tesla 
> described in his experiments. Was an interesting experiment. I just 
> wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my Lab.   Sorry NO, I 
> did not replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Have you replicated this experiment?
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the 
>>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 
>>> wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>
>>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, 
>>> for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with 
>>> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched 
>>> discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a rapidly 
>>> quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the Wardencliff 
>>> system was going to work with the huge underground earthing grid.  
>>> Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings while 
>>> experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to radiate 
>>> pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC pulses 
>>> (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated antennae 
>>> terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, left this 
>>> vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should work.   You 
>>> do not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to you to 
>>> improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kone,
>>>>
>>>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly 
>>>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be 
>>>> caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with 
>>>> conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the 
>>>> charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet to 
>>>> snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 
>>>> 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>
>>>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates 
>>>> very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher 
>>>> harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>
>>>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts 
>>>> of interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for 
>>>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in 
>>>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening.  
>>>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of 
>>>> air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to 
>>>> conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash 
>>>> and bang, very dangerous!
>>>>
>>>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping is 
>>>> another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger of 
>>>> killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  
>>>> Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mick
>>>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of 
>>>>> about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc 
>>>>> ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted 
>>>>> precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal 
>>>>> suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance. 
>>>>> Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the 
>>>>> time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you 
>>>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there 
>>>>> is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't 
>>>>> know
>>>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and 
>>>>> potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good 
>>>>> blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting 
>>>>> stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing 
>>>>> when ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere 
>>>>> capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe 
>>>>> restaurant supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could 
>>>>> put together for sphere...
>>>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I find it
>>>>> Kone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

See remarks!


On 9/29/2018 6:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those 
> caps how amazing.     I literally had a tons of large powerful caps 
> that mostly came out of Stanford University Linear Accelerator Lab.   
> Bert Pool & Phill still have many of the big Sangamo caps in there 
> goodie pile!
>
> Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check for a 
> mirror charge in positive?     The earthing of pulses was done with 
> the Neutral Spike experiments. There is a pronounced earth response to 
> pulses!  Please stop and think about the elevated positive terminal 
> aka Tesla. Think about the hydraulic analog here as to the function of 
> the upper terminal.  Think water hammer where the work is being done 
> at the earth negative going pulses and the positive side is the 
> pressure accumulator! (potential driverz).  I think you can get the 
> picture.  Tesla said many times that a proper wotrking example of his 
> theory would not have any spark discharges at upper capacitive 
> terminal.. Would be a waste of energy.  Artist concepts of Wardencliff 
> tower depict lightning bolts iminating from uper capacitance 
> terminal.  WRONG!    Properly tuned to drive earth spiking there is no 
> terminal discharge at all.
>
> As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little batteries 
> work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about 80 or so feet 
> up?   Little batteries were used by Tesla for the Telegraphy 
> experiments of 1899.
>
> Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet wrapped 
> into a hybrid perm-electromagnet? Permanent magnets for I had many 
> hundreds of pounds of all types of magnets known.  Neos, I had 
> hundreds of pounds of them. Alnico 8 same there for I was wrecking 
> down RCA Klystrons out of high power radar.  One Klystron = 600 # of 
> Alnico 8 magnets.  They brought $6 /# at that time.
>
> My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets are 
> made now, but not sure...    Electromagnets are more powerful but the 
> right Neos do the trick!
>
>
> On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was 
>> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I 
>> had liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and 
>> moved back into Dallas.
>>
>>
>> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on 
>> of my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that 
>> the the anode output was now negative output instead of positive to 
>> be used  to drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power 
>> supply at 60KV.  I had a bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC 
>> supply.  I used a large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at 
>> various pulse rates via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV caps 
>> came out of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and  I managed 
>> to get 60 of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5 
>> killo-Joules per pulse. The re-charge time of the cap bank dictated 
>> the rate of firing.   By discharging the caps through the very 
>> powerful magnetic horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative DC 
>> discharge which was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock 
>> wave that Tesla described in his experiments. Was an interesting 
>> experiment. I just wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my 
>> Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> Have you replicated this experiment?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the 
>>>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8 
>>>> wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>
>>>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes, 
>>>> for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with 
>>>> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic quenched 
>>>> discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier via a 
>>>> rapidly quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the 
>>>> Wardencliff system was going to work with the huge underground 
>>>> earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings 
>>>> while experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to 
>>>> radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200 VDC 
>>>> pulses (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated 
>>>> antennae terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master, 
>>>> left this vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should 
>>>> work.   You do not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to 
>>>> you to improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Kone,
>>>>>
>>>>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly 
>>>>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be 
>>>>> caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with 
>>>>> conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the 
>>>>> charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet 
>>>>> to snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance for 
>>>>> the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>>
>>>>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates 
>>>>> very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher 
>>>>> harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>>
>>>>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts 
>>>>> of interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for 
>>>>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in 
>>>>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening.  
>>>>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of 
>>>>> air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to 
>>>>> conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash 
>>>>> and bang, very dangerous!
>>>>>
>>>>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping 
>>>>> is another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger 
>>>>> of killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too high.  
>>>>> Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mick
>>>>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of 
>>>>>> about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc 
>>>>>> ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted 
>>>>>> precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal 
>>>>>> suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance. 
>>>>>> Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all the 
>>>>>> time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you 
>>>>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load there 
>>>>>> is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally l don't 
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and 
>>>>>> potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a good 
>>>>>> blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil shorting 
>>>>>> stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is nothing 
>>>>>> when ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere 
>>>>>> capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe 
>>>>>> restaurant supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you could 
>>>>>> put together for sphere...
>>>>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I 
>>>>>> find it
>>>>>> Kone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Norm,

I get it, the air capacitance between top load and ground acts to
amplify the spark gap longitudinal crack into longer stroked pumping
action, the pulley is to tune that response to the 1/8-1/4 wave of the
fundamental used in the spark gap.  Boingy boingy boing

Did you find any advantage to sizing the response of a spark gap just
under the 1/4 wave before the waveform begins to flatten?  I think Tesla
was at times using 90 percent of the 1/4 wave resonance for tuning his
gaps which also adds useful beat modulation.

Longitudinal waves are still possible without the rectification if one
has other ways of phase modding the RF but on the receiving side one
needs to add the check valves for the pump to function.

I will look around for a proper video hosting platform, since I am not a
youtube user I would have to break it into 10 or 15 minute pieces as I
have not "earned" the long play option.  I will gladly look into this
Norm.  In case Kone has the time inclination and long play on youtube we
can work it out between us, I look forward to this.

I was wondering about his little tin-carbon air batteries how they are
charged.

Those old Klystrons are beautiful, all the amazing old tech that was
scrapped from the Air Force and now they cant see aircraft unless it's
active with a transponder so they left a few of these long distance
sites still running and gave them to the FAA to support.  The new
technology is higher frequency so those old giant klystrons and rotating
SAGE antenna can see further longwave!  Had no idea each one had 600 lbs
of magnets.

What did you find in your MRA experiments and other experiments with
magnets as to how and when one could steer and modulate perm mag flux
with electric circuits?


On 9/30/2018 5:47 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> See remarks!
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> On 9/29/2018 6:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Wish I had known you then, would have come out for a visit.  Those
>> caps how amazing.     I literally had a tons of large powerful caps
>> that mostly came out of Stanford University Linear Accelerator Lab.  
>> Bert Pool & Phill still have many of the big Sangamo caps in there
>> goodie pile!
>>
>> Did you try earthing the high voltage negative pulses and check for a
>> mirror charge in positive?     The earthing of pulses was done with
>> the Neutral Spike experiments. There is a pronounced earth response
>> to pulses!  Please stop and think about the elevated positive
>> terminal aka Tesla. Think about the hydraulic analog here as to the
>> function of the upper terminal.  Think water hammer where the work is
>> being done at the earth negative going pulses and the positive side
>> is the pressure accumulator! (potential driverz).  I think you can
>> get the picture.  Tesla said many times that a proper wotrking
>> example of his theory would not have any spark discharges at upper
>> capacitive terminal.. Would be a waste of energy.  Artist concepts of
>> Wardencliff tower depict lightning bolts iminating from uper
>> capacitance terminal.  WRONG!    Properly tuned to drive earth
>> spiking there is no terminal discharge at all. 
>>
>> As far as your understanding of the experiment do the little
>> batteries work based on that adjustable top load ball he had about 80
>> or so feet up?   Little batteries were used by Tesla for the
>> Telegraphy experiments of 1899.
>>
>> Was the magnet part strictly electromagnet or a perm magnet wrapped
>> into a hybrid perm-electromagnet?   Permanent magnets for I had many
>> hundreds of pounds of all types of magnets known.  Neos, I had
>> hundreds of pounds of them. Alnico 8 same there for I was wrecking
>> down RCA Klystrons out of high power radar.  One Klystron = 600 # of
>> Alnico 8 magnets.  They brought $6 /# at that time.
>>
>> My thoughts wold be strictly electromagnet based on how magnets are
>> made now, but not sure...    Electromagnets are more powerful but the
>> right Neos do the trick!
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2018 4:30 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Although I have two copies of the Colorado Springs Notes, it was
>>> unfortunate that I did not find Page 25 info till 2012.  In 2012 I
>>> had liquidated the Lab and sole off my 52 acre Research Farm and
>>> moved back into Dallas.
>>>
>>>
>>> Around 2004, I built Tesla's Disrupter Transformer and Re-worked on
>>> of my X-ray supply pot (60KV) by switching the diode array so that
>>> the the anode output was now negative output instead of positive to
>>> be used  to drive the disrupt coil. I had a HVDC negative power
>>> supply at 60KV.  I had a bank of capacitors to charge using the HVDC
>>> supply.  I used a large DC long throw HV relay which I could fire at
>>> various pulse rates via mechanical insulated actuator.  The 60KV
>>> caps came out of SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and  I
>>> managed to get 60 of them at 2.5 MFD ea. I was discharging about 5
>>> killo-Joules per pulse.  The re-charge time of the cap bank dictated
>>> the rate of firing.   By discharging the caps through the very
>>> powerful magnetic horn gap I got that unidirectional pure negative
>>> DC discharge which was a blue white fire and gave the physical shock
>>> wave that Tesla described in his experiments. Was an interesting
>>> experiment. I just wish I had found the page 25 info while I had my
>>> Lab.   Sorry NO, I did not replicate Tesla's page 25 experiment!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2018 11:05 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> Have you replicated this experiment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2018 6:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kone! Your quote:  I think Tesla was using a magnet to snuff the
>>>>> spark out as you say at just the right distance for the 1/8
>>>>> wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>>
>>>>> DUH!   Please re-read the page 25 from the Colorado Springs Notes,
>>>>> for Tesla laid out the fundamentals of how to pulse the earth with
>>>>> negative unidirectional longitudnal waves using a magnetic
>>>>> quenched discharge tube.  Yes ! This was his magnetic rectifier
>>>>> via a rapidly quenched discharge tube.  This is precisely how the
>>>>> Wardencliff system was going to work with the huge underground
>>>>> earthing grid.  Sort of like Hector deep earth ball.  His findings
>>>>> while experimenting with Telegraphy in 1899 allowed his ability to
>>>>> radiate pulses into the ground at .020 A or 20 milliamps at 200
>>>>> VDC pulses (unidirectional with negative polarity).  The elevated
>>>>> antennae terminal carried a positive charge.  Tesla, the Master,
>>>>> left this vivid clue as to how your ground pulse approach should
>>>>> work.   You do not have to re-invent the wheel for it was given to
>>>>> you to improve!  BTW, Great work! Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/2018 12:36 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cap will not charge with AC unless the waveform is highly
>>>>>> asymmetric as each compression or rarefaction would need to be
>>>>>> caught at 1/8 - 1/4 wavelength and disconnected to charge with
>>>>>> conventional sine wave for instance.   Otherwise as you say the
>>>>>> charge is equalized with AC.    I think Tesla was using a magnet
>>>>>> to snuff the spark out as you say at just the right distance for
>>>>>> the 1/8 wavefront prior to it dropping on the other side of the 1/4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Likely what you were noticing in your experiments as it creates
>>>>>> very short DC pulses 1/8 to 1/4 of the wavelength so much higher
>>>>>> harmonics than the fundamental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> High voltage DC in a high rise for instance could cause all sorts
>>>>>> of interesting havoc charging up layered walls as capacitors for
>>>>>> instance.  With a pair of diodes and GDT's the cap will rise in
>>>>>> voltage to destruction and the plasma explosions are deafening. 
>>>>>> First is a hissing as insulation breaks through and the sound of
>>>>>> air escaping a punctured tire.  As the air ionizes enough to
>>>>>> conduct the voltage stored in the cap with jump with a huge flash
>>>>>> and bang, very dangerous!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spheres can be purchased inexpensively in China but shipping
>>>>>> is another story.   One could use a well I suppose but the danger
>>>>>> of killing the well motor and having no water is a risk too
>>>>>> high.  Having enough trouble shutting down GFI's around here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/27/2018 11:51 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mick
>>>>>>> Just my two cents I noticed with spark gapping experiments of
>>>>>>> about 2000v coming from 90 degree to Airgap of n n pulsed dc
>>>>>>> ucking coils (konehead motor) the distance of sparkgap adjusted
>>>>>>> precise could make the ac looking pulse and collapse signal
>>>>>>> suddenly go all humpy dc with just the right Airgap distance.
>>>>>>> Someone told me Tesla uses to use sparkgaps to rectify HV all
>>>>>>> the time as no good HV diodes back then.
>>>>>>> Also have noticed let's say filling AC cap with AC...when you
>>>>>>> disconnect charging of it then use cap to discharge to load
>>>>>>> there is usually nothing there like the forces cancel naturally
>>>>>>> l don't know
>>>>>>> But if you rectify before filling cap now those joules and
>>>>>>> potential in there will "stick" and upon discharge you see a
>>>>>>> good blast of.power. I noticed same thing with my peak coil
>>>>>>> shorting stuff in that without diodes first to rectify there is
>>>>>>> nothing when ac cap discharges to a load...
>>>>>>> Have you seen Hector's ground rod with large metal sphere
>>>>>>> capacitor ball in air? This would be interesting to try....maybe
>>>>>>> restaurant supply store has a couple giant mixing bowls you
>>>>>>> could put together for sphere...
>>>>>>> I will look around for that circuit drawing and post it when I
>>>>>>> find it
>>>>>>> Kone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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