Re: [EVGRAY] EV Gray CST

Smokey,

That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind opening.

Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were happy
being used as spark gaps.

Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to page
25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  This
experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just stressed to
the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I
would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube. 
Norm is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so
he should know.

Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments.
Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is also
very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.

TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered the
inverse of the above.

Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take
umbrage with the metaphor.


On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hello Warren,
> Thank You for responding.
> I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but
> have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of
> the phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also
> the lower Carbon.
> You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
> I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
> included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
> The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
> Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only
> discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>
> http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>
> This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap,
> there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the
> magic happened.
> I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>
> What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most
> active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve
> which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
> More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
> 'Crystal-devices'.
> What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an
> element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to
> amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
>
> My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
> physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you
> forget the motor side entirely.
> *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in
> Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps
> discharge string.*
> This is another modification that I intend attempting.
> Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3
> or 4 in series or parallel.
> Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>
> So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
> interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and
> just before an arc would be made.
> Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he
> didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was
> working with the plasma only.
> So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH
> what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody
> fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the
> magic right before the spark.
>
> Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is
> really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap
> control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why would
> anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark running
> 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for free using this methodology.
> A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
> Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
> Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>
> *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
> See data attached.
> In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether
> entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but
> the capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
> The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob
> Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader
> frequency range.
> Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
> Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a
> Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on
> my list to do.
>
> Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
> This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above
> strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
> There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown
> but I believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.
>
> Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to
> replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
> Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
> maintain a face to face attitude.
> At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts
> and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter
> told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>
> This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze
> was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I
> think that turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want
> was an actual spark.
> I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge
> Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and
> in such was the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
> In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the
> output as well as input.
>
> *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a
> direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>
> One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark
> was operating in that there were more than just one spark but a
> multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I
> guess there were something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
> *This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to
> see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
> I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will
> Post when found - see picture numbers below.
> The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the
> wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the
> screen.
>
> When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with
> units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture
> fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric
> Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what
> appeared at the time to be the best means of downconversion.
> The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G
> thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
> The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
> operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
>
> This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope
> that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
> At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my
> benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
> Respectfully.
>
> Smokey
>
> *Picture Listing:
> *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
> 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
> 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the
> large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually
> scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
> 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the
> Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a
> little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best -
> no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are
> Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
> 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of
> singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
> You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a
> bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to
> ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>
> Smokey
>
> On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were
>> available.
>> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with
>> anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed,
>> of no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might
>> have been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting
>> in the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons ,
>> even I don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I
>> made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to
>> see them tossed in the garbage.
>> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime,
>> someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the
>> time, no one does.
>> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other
>> time zone.
>> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door
>> that no one answered?
>> Cheers, and good to hear from you
>> Warren
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>>
>>     On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>     [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>     EV Gray CST:*
>>     *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>     *See attached.
>>
>>     http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>
>>     In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>     replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria
>>     of the original Valve.
>>     The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those
>>     replicators and was NOT required.
>>
>>     *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit
>>     operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking
>>     place at the gap.
>>
>>     *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>     adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>     Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing
>>     full time?
>>     This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors
>>     that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light
>>     and often failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
>>     You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the
>>     best lighting effect.
>>
>>     *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is
>>     where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event
>>     was discovered.*
>>
>>     For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to
>>     be here for and more to do with respect for one another without
>>     any expletives of any manner.
>>     Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope
>>     that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the
>>     spark gap without the spark.
>>     This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap
>>     as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as
>>     this is where the magic begins.
>>     There is also another modification that I have passed on here
>>     earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>
>>     Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>
>>     Respectfully
>>
>>     Smokey
>>
>
>

DaveI made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were available.The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to see them tossed in the garbage.I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the time, no one does.I feel your message is like a blast from the past, out of some other time zone.Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?It broke my heart to not find magic there.Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door that no one answered?Cheers, and good to hear from youWarren
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  On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
 EV Gray CST:
 "Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
 See attached.
 
 http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
 
 In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
 The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators and was NOT required.
 
 What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap.
 
 One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
 Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
 This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
 You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best lighting effect. 
 
 I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.
 
 For all of those at EV Gray - this is what you are supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of any manner.
 Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without the spark.
 This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the magic begins.
 There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
 
 Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
 
 Respectfully
 
 Smokey
 
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*Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
EV Gray CST:*
*"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
*See attached.

http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm

In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of 
the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those 
replicators and was NOT required.

*What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit 
operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at 
the gap.

*One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just 
to the point where the spark extinguished.
Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that 
actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often 
failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best 
lighting effect.

*I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I 
do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.*

For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to be here 
for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives 
of any manner.
Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this 
may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without 
the spark.
This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he 
wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where 
the magic begins.
There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier 
with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.

Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.

Respectfully

Smokey

*Impulse Discharge:*
If you still have doubts, go and check the work of Chernetsky/Galkin in 
their 'Self Generating Discharge' which was replicated fully by Frolov:

http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm

By this time you should all have a good idea of what this phenomena is 
all about.
This is the very first time that all of this has been put together in a 
bundle that allows it to be understood.
No spark just a PLASMA transfer in the gap.
Once you achieve the ambient or ether entry your powers supply amps will 
drop to about 1/3rd.
More on this at Yahoo Group 'dltorsiondevices'.
Good luck in your experiments.

Smokey

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	EV Gray CST
Date: 	Mon, 11 Jun 2018 14:00:38 +1000
From: 	David G Dawson <[email protected]>
To: 	[email protected], [email protected], 
[email protected], [email protected]



*Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
EV Gray CST:*
*"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
*See attached.

http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm

In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of 
the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those 
replicators and was NOT required.

*What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit 
operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at 
the gap.

*One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just 
to the point where the spark extinguished.
Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that 
actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often 
failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best 
lighting effect.

*I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I 
do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.*

For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to be here 
for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives 
of any manner.
Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this 
may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without 
the spark.
This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he 
wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where 
the magic begins.
There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier 
with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.

Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.

Respectfully

Smokey

This spark gap with pure carbon rods involved is at the heart of Tesla's
work and the Swiss power wheel .the generator provides the high voltage and
the spark gap in the big cap cans .the spark produces a high energy release
from the ether and spraying energy Thu several layers of copper tubes with
holes charging them and running the wheel and self sustaining the device
.it's in evgrays tube too .carbon seems to be the key why because I think
it goes to the flipping of carbon in to boron and back releasing beta
radiation a cold energy pump .with excess energy but the energy needs to be
kept going in one direction only . gray did it with a electrical vibrator
tied to a hivoltage transformer .you might test it with a car coil and a
MOSFET with  carbon rods gap and surounded by concentric copper tubes .he
made so much extra energy he had to bleed it off to control it .adding
magnets along side of the carbon rods causes the energy to go one way .but
they used diodes . this carbon seems to be at the heart of it all. Even
Tesla said it was the best carrier of this type of energy .I think it's the
holy grail of free energy. But controlling it is a another mater ..
On Jun 10, 2018 11:01 PM, "David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum: EV Gray CST:*
>
> *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube" *See attached.
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>
> In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of
> the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
> The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators
> and was NOT required.
>
>
>
> *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated
> without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap. *One
> simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the
> point where the spark extinguished.
> Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
> This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that
> actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed
> as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
> You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best
> lighting effect.
>
> *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I
> do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.*
>
> For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to be here
> for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of
> any manner.
> Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this
> may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without
> the spark.
> This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he
> wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the
> magic begins.
> There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with
> respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>
> Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>
> Respectfully
>
> Smokey
> 
>

Hello Warren,
Thank You for responding.
I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but 
have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of 
the phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also 
the lower Carbon.
You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have included 
an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self 
Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only 
discovered this many years later after my own discovery.

http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm

This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, there 
to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the magic 
happened.
I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.

What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most 
active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve 
which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or 
'Crystal-devices'.
What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an 
element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to amplify 
the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.

My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non physical 
with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you forget the motor 
side entirely.
*Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in 
Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps 
discharge string.*
This is another modification that I intend attempting.
Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 or 
4 in series or parallel.
Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.

So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have 
interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and 
just before an arc would be made.
Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he didn't 
want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was working with 
the plasma only.
So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH what 
beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody fell for 
it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the magic right 
before the spark.

Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is 
really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap 
control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why would 
anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark running 24/7 
and attempting to give you an energy for free using this methodology.
A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
Guess what had a very limited lifetime.

*Impulse Discharge discovery:*
See data attached.
In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether entry 
phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but the 
capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob Ianinni 
'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader frequency range.
Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a Tripler 
to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on my list to do.

Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above 
strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown but 
I believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.

Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to 
replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to maintain 
a face to face attitude.
At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts 
and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter told 
me otherwise and the discovery was made.

This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze 
was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I think 
that turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want was an 
actual spark.
I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge Tubes 
(GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and in such 
was the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the 
output as well as input.

*Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a direct 
output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*

One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark 
was operating in that there were more than just one spark but a 
multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I guess 
there were something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
*This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to 
see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will Post 
when found - see picture numbers below.
The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the 
wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the screen.

When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with 
units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture 
fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric 
Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what 
appeared at the time to be the best means of downconversion.
The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G 
thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their operating 
abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.

This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope 
that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my benches 
and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
Respectfully.

Smokey

*Picture Listing:
*1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the 
large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually 
scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the 
Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a 
little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - no 
maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons 
from 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of 
singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a 
bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to ac 
electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.

Smokey

On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Dave
>
> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were 
> available.
> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with 
> anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of 
> no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have 
> been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in 
> the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I 
> don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made 
> them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to see 
> them tossed in the garbage.
> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime, 
> someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the 
> time, no one does.
> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other 
> time zone.
> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door 
> that no one answered?
> Cheers, and good to hear from you
> Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>     [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>     EV Gray CST:*
>     *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>     *See attached.
>
>     http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>
>     In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>     replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria
>     of the original Valve.
>     The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those
>     replicators and was NOT required.
>
>     *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit
>     operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking
>     place at the gap.
>
>     *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable
>     just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>     Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing
>     full time?
>     This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that
>     actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and
>     often failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
>     You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the
>     best lighting effect.
>
>     *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is
>     where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event
>     was discovered.*
>
>     For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to
>     be here for and more to do with respect for one another without
>     any expletives of any manner.
>     Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that
>     this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark
>     gap without the spark.
>     This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap
>     as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as
>     this is where the magic begins.
>     There is also another modification that I have passed on here
>     earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>
>     Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>
>     Respectfully
>
>     Smokey
>
>

Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of the 
biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the fact that 
past historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to follow and 
utilized in our circuits in our search for the Holy Grail.   Classic 
example is current discussion of magnet gap quenching and the 
development of that highly elusive Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to 
go back to the most fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and 
Patented which was the preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power 
the DC arc street lights after he had provided AC power to New Your 
City. There were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the day, so 
Tesla used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost transformers.  
Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path to 
rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he applied this 
principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado Springs Notes. When 
you take a coil wound around a permanent magnet and DC bias via a 
variable pot the break over voltage of an evacuated plasma tube, you 
have created the key to the unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive 
discharge that has absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on 
a scope as a straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote 
Compression of energy in time. When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge 
transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon rods 
and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods I was able 
to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a conventional 
spark. What is developed is the brush discharge of many filaments or 
threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event happens. This 
is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super Light).


On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Smokey,
>
> That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind 
> opening.
>
> Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were 
> happy being used as spark gaps.
>
> Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to 
> page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  
> This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just 
> stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the 
> plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of 
> the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices 
> in his hands so he should know.
>
> Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments. 
> Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is 
> also very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.
>
> TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered 
> the inverse of the above.
>
> Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take 
> umbrage with the metaphor.
>
>
> On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hello Warren,
>> Thank You for responding.
>> I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but 
>> have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant 
>> of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and 
>> also the lower Carbon.
>> You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>> I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have 
>> included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>> The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self 
>> Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only 
>> discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>
>> http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>
>> This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, 
>> there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when 
>> the magic happened.
>> I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>
>> What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most 
>> active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve 
>> which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>> More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or 
>> 'Crystal-devices'.
>> What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an 
>> element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to 
>> amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
>>
>> My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non 
>> physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you 
>> forget the motor side entirely.
>> *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in 
>> Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps 
>> discharge string.*
>> This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>> Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 
>> or 4 in series or parallel.
>> Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>
>> So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have 
>> interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and 
>> just before an arc would be made.
>> Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he 
>> didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was 
>> working with the plasma only.
>> So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH 
>> what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody 
>> fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the 
>> magic right before the spark.
>>
>> Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is 
>> really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap 
>> control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why would 
>> anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark running 
>> 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for free using this 
>> methodology.
>> A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>> Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
>> Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>
>> *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>> See data attached.
>> In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether 
>> entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but 
>> the capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
>> The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob 
>> Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader 
>> frequency range.
>> Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>> Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a 
>> Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on 
>> my list to do.
>>
>> Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>> This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above 
>> strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>> There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown 
>> but I believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - 
>> dielectricty.
>>
>> Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to 
>> replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>> Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to 
>> maintain a face to face attitude.
>> At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts 
>> and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter 
>> told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>
>> This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze 
>> was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I 
>> think that turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want 
>> was an actual spark.
>> I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge 
>> Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and 
>> in such was the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
>> In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the 
>> output as well as input.
>>
>> *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a 
>> direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>
>> One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the 
>> spark was operating in that there were more than just one spark but a 
>> multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I 
>> guess there were something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
>> *This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to 
>> see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>> I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will 
>> Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>> The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the 
>> wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the 
>> screen.
>>
>> When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with 
>> units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture 
>> fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric 
>> Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what 
>> appeared at the time to be the best means of downconversion.
>> The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G 
>> thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>> The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their 
>> operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
>>
>> This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope 
>> that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
>> At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my 
>> benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>> Respectfully.
>>
>> Smokey
>>
>> *Picture Listing:
>> *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>> 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>> 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the 
>> large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually 
>> scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
>> 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the 
>> Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a 
>> little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - 
>> no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are 
>> Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
>> 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of 
>> singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>> You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into 
>> a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition 
>> to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>>
>> Smokey
>>
>> On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were 
>>> available.
>>> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate 
>>> with anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it 
>>> seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" 
>>> might have been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, 
>>> sitting in the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for 
>>> reasons , even I don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy 
>>> artist, because I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I 
>>> could, and hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
>>> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime, 
>>> someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at 
>>> the time, no one does.
>>> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some 
>>> other time zone.
>>> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a 
>>> door that no one answered?
>>> Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>> Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>     [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>     EV Gray CST:*
>>>     *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>     *See attached.
>>>
>>>     http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>
>>>     In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>     replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria
>>>     of the original Valve.
>>>     The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those
>>>     replicators and was NOT required.
>>>
>>>     *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit
>>>     operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking
>>>     place at the gap.
>>>
>>>     *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>     adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>     Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing
>>>     full time?
>>>     This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors
>>>     that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light
>>>     and often failed as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
>>>     You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for
>>>     the best lighting effect.
>>>
>>>     *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is
>>>     where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma
>>>     event was discovered.*
>>>
>>>     For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to
>>>     be here for and more to do with respect for one another without
>>>     any expletives of any manner.
>>>     Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope
>>>     that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the
>>>     spark gap without the spark.
>>>     This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark
>>>     Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible
>>>     as this is where the magic begins.
>>>     There is also another modification that I have passed on here
>>>     earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>
>>>     Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>
>>>     Respectfully
>>>
>>>     Smokey
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi Norm,

How is your son doing on his deep seabed mining adventure?

Can you point out any more info in regards to designs for the tube and
magnets?  I have found a bit more in the Colo Springs Notes but surmise
there is more existing if one knows where to look. Tesla has so much
information it is overwhelming and often hard to locate as there does
not seem to be a properly designed repository/ database in order one can
discriminate functionality such as everything on spark gaps etc.

Also any of your notes you would be willing to share based on
replication of the Pg25 tube, such as: length-width, gas type, pressure,
magnet construction.

NormYou know, you are sounding very credible, and interesting, regarding these funny spark discharges.Can they be related in any way to the sparks on DC motor commutators, as again, Doug and I have found more coming from those spark discharges than was used in powering the motor.You may have steered the conversation into a possible answer.Cheers Warren

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  On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for the Holy Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly elusive Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street lights after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost transformers.  Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope as a straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote Compression of energy in time.   When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of many filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super Light).
 
 
 On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Smokey,
 
That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind opening.
 
Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were happy being used as spark gaps.
 
Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should know.
 
 
Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is also very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.
 
TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered the inverse of the above.
 
Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take umbrage with the metaphor.
 
 
 On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 Hello Warren,
 Thank You for responding.
 I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
 You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
 I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
 The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
 
 http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
 
 This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the magic happened.
 I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
 
 What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
 More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or 'Crystal-devices'.
 What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
 
 My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you forget the motor side entirely.
 Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps discharge string.
 This is another modification that I intend attempting.
 Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
 Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
 
 So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and just before an arc would be made.
 Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was working with the plasma only.
 So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the magic right before the spark.
 
 Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is really required when you have a spark, heat/constant gap control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc and why would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for free using this methodology.
 A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
 Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
 Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
 
 Impulse Discharge discovery:
 See data attached.
 In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
 The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader frequency range.
 Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
 Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on my list to do.
 
 Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
 This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
 There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.
 
 Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
 Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to maintain a face to face attitude.
 At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
 
 This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
 I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
 In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the output as well as input.
 
 Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.
 
 One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark was operating in that there were more than just one spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
 This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.
 I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
 The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the screen.
 
 When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time to be the best means of downconversion.
 The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
 The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
 
 This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
 At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
 Respectfully.
 
 Smokey
 
 Picture Listing:
 1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
 You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
 
 Smokey
 
 On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Dave
 I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were available. The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in  cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to see them tossed in the garbage. I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the time, no one does. I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other time zone. Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes? It broke my heart to not find magic there. Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door that no one answered? Cheers, and good to hear from you Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
 EV Gray CST:
 "Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
 See attached.
 
 http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
 
 In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
 The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators and was NOT required.
 
 What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap.
 
 One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
 Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
 This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to  replaced (1940/50s).
 You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best lighting effect. 
 
 I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.
 
 For all of those at EV Gray - this is what you are supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of any manner.
 Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without the spark.
 This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the magic begins.
 There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
 
 Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
 
 Respectfully
 
 Smokey
 
       
   
 

 
  
 
  
 
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Hi! James, Son is back home now, Mission a total success!  Tons of 
nodule samples of all sizes for chemical analysis. Field of nodules much 
bigger and longer that originally estimated.  Many $ billions worth of 
elements to be dredged up from 4400 meters water depth!  Harvesting 
dredges being developed as we write!   Work like a Sod Farm machine!  My 
son operates the AUV.


On 6/14/2018 12:17 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Thanks norm on the DC conversion never hear of that .but I think that 
> what's important hear is continuity of pattern in designs  one very hi 
> positive DC voltage pluses Thu a spark gap .good results from carbon 
> siver tipped rods. Tesla's way and don smith's way Bedini way but no 
> gap just hi voltage DC impulses looks like the Swiss wheel way .all 
> this points to hi positive DC hi voltage implied creating broken 
> symmetry .in the ether .
>
> On Jun 14, 2018 10:31 AM, "Mick [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Norm,
>
>     How is your son doing on his deep seabed mining adventure?
>
>     Can you point out any more info in regards to designs for the tube
>     and magnets?  I have found a bit more in the Colo Springs Notes
>     but surmise there is more existing if one knows where to look.
>     Tesla has so much information it is overwhelming and often hard to
>     locate as there does not seem to be a properly designed
>     repository/ database in order one can discriminate functionality
>     such as everything on spark gaps etc.
>
>     Also any of your notes you would be willing to share based on
>     replication of the Pg25 tube, such as: length-width, gas type,
>     pressure, magnet construction.
>
>     From my cursory experiments in order to create the flux
>     disturbances to pull the environment out of equilibrium in order
>     to harvest, exemplary control of the two fields is requisite as
>     individual vectors to the point of fractioning one from the other
>     as much as possible.
>
>     Also nice to have bistable core material on hand.
>
>     The term superlight from the good Dr also makes me thing of the
>     concave magnet face like a lens.
>
>
>     On 6/14/2018 5:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One
>>     of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is
>>     the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for
>>     them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for the
>>     Holy Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of magnet gap
>>     quenching and the development of that highly elusive Tesla white
>>     Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most fundamental
>>     magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the
>>     preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street
>>     lights after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There
>>     were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla
>>     used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost transformers. 
>>     Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path
>>     to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he
>>     applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado
>>     Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent
>>     magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of
>>     an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the
>>     unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has
>>     absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope as a
>>     straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote Compression of
>>     energy in time.   When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge
>>     transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon
>>     rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods
>>     I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a
>>     conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of
>>     many filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the
>>     aetheric event happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric
>>     event. (reference Super Light).
>>
>>
>>     On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Smokey,
>>>
>>>     That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link
>>>     mind opening.
>>>
>>>     Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they
>>>     were happy being used as spark gaps.
>>>
>>>     Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back
>>>     to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into
>>>     my head.  This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the
>>>     plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet
>>>     snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the
>>>     genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the
>>>     few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should know.
>>>
>>>     Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during
>>>     experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well,
>>>     I think this is also very important in order to concentrate flux
>>>     like a lens with light.
>>>
>>>     TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be
>>>     considered the inverse of the above.
>>>
>>>     Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so
>>>     take umbrage with the metaphor.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hello Warren,
>>>>     Thank You for responding.
>>>>     I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another
>>>>     go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see
>>>>     the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your
>>>>     voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
>>>>     You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>>>>     I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
>>>>     included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>>>>     The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
>>>>     Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only
>>>>     discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>>>
>>>>     http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>>>     <http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm>
>>>>
>>>>     This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark
>>>>     gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that
>>>>     was when the magic happened.
>>>>     I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>>>
>>>>     What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the
>>>>     most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a
>>>>     Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>>>>     More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
>>>>     'Crystal-devices'.
>>>>     What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add
>>>>     an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able
>>>>     to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any
>>>>     output.
>>>>
>>>>     My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
>>>>     physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and
>>>>     you forget the motor side entirely.
>>>>     *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and
>>>>     discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge
>>>>     string and an Amps discharge string.*
>>>>     This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>>>>     Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV
>>>>     with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
>>>>     Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>>>
>>>>     So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
>>>>     interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma
>>>>     gap and just before an arc would be made.
>>>>     Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT),
>>>>     he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and
>>>>     was working with the plasma only.
>>>>     So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said
>>>>     OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and
>>>>     everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you
>>>>     well away from the magic right before the spark.
>>>>
>>>>     Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that
>>>>     is really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap
>>>>     control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why
>>>>     would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual
>>>>     spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for
>>>>     free using this methodology.
>>>>     A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>>>>     Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the
>>>>     car radio?
>>>>     Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>>>
>>>>     *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>>>>     See data attached.
>>>>     In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the
>>>>     ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current
>>>>     near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about
>>>>     1200 volts stored.
>>>>     The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the
>>>>     Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a
>>>>     broader frequency range.
>>>>     Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>>>>     Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a
>>>>     Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the
>>>>     experiments on my list to do.
>>>>
>>>>     Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>>>>     This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps
>>>>     above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>>>>     There is something here in the string cap idea which is also
>>>>     unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether
>>>>     entry - dielectricty.
>>>>
>>>>     Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have
>>>>     plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>>>>     Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
>>>>     maintain a face to face attitude.
>>>>     At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7
>>>>     Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the
>>>>     volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>>>
>>>>     This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time
>>>>     Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy
>>>>     device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the
>>>>     criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
>>>>     I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas
>>>>     Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did
>>>>     another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to
>>>>     downconvert the stored energy.
>>>>     In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at
>>>>     the output as well as input.
>>>>
>>>>     *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and
>>>>     a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>>>
>>>>     One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when
>>>>     the spark was operating in that there were more than just one
>>>>     spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the
>>>>     spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more
>>>>     streamers in that gap.
>>>>     *This is just another test I would like to complete with this
>>>>     unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>>>>     I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and
>>>>     will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>>>>     The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on
>>>>     the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo
>>>>     seen on the screen.
>>>>
>>>>     When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some
>>>>     experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and
>>>>     Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was
>>>>     involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into
>>>>     Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time to
>>>>     be the best means of downconversion.
>>>>     The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an
>>>>     OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>>>>     The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
>>>>     operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma
>>>>     Valve.
>>>>
>>>>     This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and
>>>>     hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
>>>>     At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on
>>>>     my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>>>>     Respectfully.
>>>>
>>>>     Smokey
>>>>
>>>>     *Picture Listing:
>>>>     *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>>>>     1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>>>>     1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in
>>>>     the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were
>>>>     eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
>>>>     1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators -
>>>>     Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a
>>>>     full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use
>>>>     but find Carbon the best - no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth
>>>>     Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline
>>>>     batteries.
>>>>     1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number
>>>>     of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>>>>     You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot
>>>>     into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in
>>>>     opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV
>>>>     at 60mA.
>>>>
>>>>     Smokey
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>     I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that
>>>>>     were available.
>>>>>     The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to
>>>>>     communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of
>>>>>     apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still
>>>>>     have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting
>>>>>     artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner
>>>>>     of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I
>>>>>     don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I
>>>>>     made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and
>>>>>     hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
>>>>>     I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and
>>>>>     sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our
>>>>>     efforts, even if at the time, no one does.
>>>>>     I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of
>>>>>     some other time zone.
>>>>>     Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>>>>     It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>>>>     Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on
>>>>>     a door that no one answered?
>>>>>     Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>>>>     Warren
>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>>>         EV Gray CST:*
>>>>>         *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>>>         *See attached.
>>>>>
>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>>>         <http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm>
>>>>>
>>>>>         In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>>>         replication of the CST failed to understand the working
>>>>>         criteria of the original Valve.
>>>>>         The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of
>>>>>         those replicators and was NOT required.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *What all of these people failed to understand was that
>>>>>         the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event
>>>>>         that was taking place at the gap.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>>>         adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>>>         Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark
>>>>>         ongoing full time?
>>>>>         This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc
>>>>>         Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply
>>>>>         the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to
>>>>>         replaced (1940/50s).
>>>>>         You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed
>>>>>         for the best lighting effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench'
>>>>>         and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where
>>>>>         the plasma event was discovered.*
>>>>>
>>>>>         For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are
>>>>>         supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for
>>>>>         one another without any expletives of any manner.
>>>>>         Now, I have given you some most valuable information and
>>>>>         hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma
>>>>>         event at the spark gap without the spark.
>>>>>         This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the
>>>>>         Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly
>>>>>         as possible as this is where the magic begins.
>>>>>         There is also another modification that I have passed on
>>>>>         here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Respectfully
>>>>>
>>>>>         Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Warren!  Check this out!

https://www.quora.com/What-color-is-copper-as-a-gas

  You mentioned your and Doug observation of an old DC motor commutator 
brush discharge phenomenon!  When I was a kid  we had a real big DC, 
open frame design motor so you could see the big 2 inch wide brushes 
running on the copper segmented armature!  We would turn off the lights 
at night and watch the beautiful emerald green fuzzy brush discharge 
created at the current break (commutation) where the HV spike 
(collapsing magnetic flux) was actually creating a plasma in the copper 
green gas state.  We loved to watch that big old motor create this light 
show.


On 6/14/2018 9:43 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm
>
> You know, you are sounding very credible, and interesting, regarding 
> these funny spark discharges.
> Can they be related in any way to the sparks on DC motor commutators, 
> as again, Doug and I have found more coming from those spark 
> discharges than was used in powering the motor.
> You may have steered the conversation into a possible answer.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of
>     the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the
>     fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to
>     follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for the Holy
>     Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of magnet gap
>     quenching and the development of that highly elusive Tesla white
>     Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most fundamental magnetic
>     device that Tesla built and Patented which was the preferred path
>     magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street lights after he
>     had provided AC power to New Your City. There were no diodes or
>     selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla used the basic
>     principle used in the buck/ boost transformers.  Basically a full
>     wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path to rectify AC
>     into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he applied this
>     principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado Springs Notes.
>     When you take a coil wound around a permanent magnet and DC bias
>     via a variable pot the break over voltage of an evacuated plasma
>     tube, you have created the key to the unidirectional gap.    You
>     get a disruptive discharge that has absolutely no ring down
>     oscillations and is shown on a scope as a straight down event
>     achieving Tesla's famous quote Compression of energy in time.  
>     When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge transformer and used a
>     powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon rods and again used the
>     alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods I was able to get the
>     white fire plasma discharge which was not a conventional spark. 
>     What is developed is the brush discharge of many filaments or
>     threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event happens. 
>     This is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super
>     Light).
>
>
>     On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Smokey,
>>
>>     That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link
>>     mind opening.
>>
>>     Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were
>>     happy being used as spark gaps.
>>
>>     Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back
>>     to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into
>>     my head.  This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the
>>     plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet
>>     snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the genesis
>>     of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the few who
>>     had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should know.
>>
>>     Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments.
>>     Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this
>>     is also very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens
>>     with light.
>>
>>     TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be
>>     considered the inverse of the above.
>>
>>     Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so
>>     take umbrage with the metaphor.
>>
>>
>>     On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Warren,
>>>     Thank You for responding.
>>>     I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another
>>>     go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see
>>>     the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your
>>>     voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
>>>     You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>>>     I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
>>>     included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>>>     The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
>>>     Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only
>>>     discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>>
>>>     http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>>
>>>     This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark
>>>     gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that
>>>     was when the magic happened.
>>>     I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>>
>>>     What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the
>>>     most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a
>>>     Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>>>     More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
>>>     'Crystal-devices'.
>>>     What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add
>>>     an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able
>>>     to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any
>>>     output.
>>>
>>>     My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
>>>     physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you
>>>     forget the motor side entirely.
>>>     *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and
>>>     discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge
>>>     string and an Amps discharge string.*
>>>     This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>>>     Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV
>>>     with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
>>>     Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>>
>>>     So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
>>>     interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma
>>>     gap and just before an arc would be made.
>>>     Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT),
>>>     he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and
>>>     was working with the plasma only.
>>>     So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said
>>>     OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and
>>>     everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well
>>>     away from the magic right before the spark.
>>>
>>>     Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that
>>>     is really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap
>>>     control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why
>>>     would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark
>>>     running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for free using
>>>     this methodology.
>>>     A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>>>     Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car
>>>     radio?
>>>     Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>>
>>>     *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>>>     See data attached.
>>>     In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the
>>>     ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current
>>>     near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about
>>>     1200 volts stored.
>>>     The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob
>>>     Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader
>>>     frequency range.
>>>     Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>>>     Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a
>>>     Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the
>>>     experiments on my list to do.
>>>
>>>     Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>>>     This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps
>>>     above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>>>     There is something here in the string cap idea which is also
>>>     unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether
>>>     entry - dielectricty.
>>>
>>>     Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have
>>>     plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>>>     Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
>>>     maintain a face to face attitude.
>>>     At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7
>>>     Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the
>>>     volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>>
>>>     This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time
>>>     Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy
>>>     device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the
>>>     criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
>>>     I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas
>>>     Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another
>>>     spark gap and in such was the long road into how to downconvert
>>>     the stored energy.
>>>     In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at
>>>     the output as well as input.
>>>
>>>     *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and
>>>     a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>>
>>>     One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the
>>>     spark was operating in that there were more than just one spark
>>>     but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark
>>>     centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more
>>>     streamers in that gap.
>>>     *This is just another test I would like to complete with this
>>>     unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>>>     I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and
>>>     will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>>>     The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on
>>>     the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen
>>>     on the screen.
>>>
>>>     When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments
>>>     with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not
>>>     venture fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum
>>>     Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons
>>>     as that was what appeared at the time to be the best means of
>>>     downconversion.
>>>     The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an
>>>     OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>>>     The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
>>>     operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma
>>>     Valve.
>>>
>>>     This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and
>>>     hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
>>>     At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my
>>>     benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>>>     Respectfully.
>>>
>>>     Smokey
>>>
>>>     *Picture Listing:
>>>     *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>>>     1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>>>     1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in
>>>     the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were
>>>     eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
>>>     1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators -
>>>     Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a
>>>     full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use
>>>     but find Carbon the best - no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth
>>>     Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline
>>>     batteries.
>>>     1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number
>>>     of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>>>     You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot
>>>     into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in
>>>     opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV
>>>     at 60mA.
>>>
>>>     Smokey
>>>
>>>     On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Dave
>>>>
>>>>     I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that
>>>>     were available.
>>>>     The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to
>>>>     communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of
>>>>     apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still
>>>>     have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting
>>>>     artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of
>>>>     a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't
>>>>     know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made
>>>>     them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to
>>>>     see them tossed in the garbage.
>>>>     I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and
>>>>     sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our
>>>>     efforts, even if at the time, no one does.
>>>>     I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some
>>>>     other time zone.
>>>>     Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>>>     It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>>>     Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on
>>>>     a door that no one answered?
>>>>     Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>>>     Warren
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>>         EV Gray CST:*
>>>>         *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>>         *See attached.
>>>>
>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>>
>>>>         In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>>         replication of the CST failed to understand the working
>>>>         criteria of the original Valve.
>>>>         The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of
>>>>         those replicators and was NOT required.
>>>>
>>>>         *What all of these people failed to understand was that the
>>>>         unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that
>>>>         was taking place at the gap.
>>>>
>>>>         *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>>         adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>>         Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark
>>>>         ongoing full time?
>>>>         This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc
>>>>         Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply
>>>>         the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to
>>>>         replaced (1940/50s).
>>>>         You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed
>>>>         for the best lighting effect.
>>>>
>>>>         *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench'
>>>>         and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where the
>>>>         plasma event was discovered.*
>>>>
>>>>         For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are
>>>>         supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for one
>>>>         another without any expletives of any manner.
>>>>         Now, I have given you some most valuable information and
>>>>         hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma
>>>>         event at the spark gap without the spark.
>>>>         This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the
>>>>         Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly
>>>>         as possible as this is where the magic begins.
>>>>         There is also another modification that I have passed on
>>>>         here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>>
>>>>         Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>>
>>>>         Respectfully
>>>>
>>>>         Smokey
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Oh!  James asked about the little gas tubes used by Tesla in the 
Telegraphy (page 25 of CSN), Tesla made a lot of gas filled tubes and 
lamps.  The most common that we all have used is the little neon gas 
tube that all have used in circuits for many years.  You can bias on of 
these up to the break over threshold which would be around 100 or so 
volts with a magnetic field applied.  Remember that Tesla had the little 
tube on the end pole of the permanent magnet and brought the circuit 
right up the break over point of conduction which the magnet preventing 
tube from discharging. When a pulse of correct polarity DC was applied, 
the magnet field was temporarily dropped below hold off flux density 
allowing tube to discharge but abruptly cut off which gave a 
unidirectional DC discharge.  The is why he was able to sent a telegraph 
signal into the earth at just .020 A or 20 miliamps @ 200 VDC which 
could be picked up at a distant station using the earth only as a conductor.


On 6/14/2018 4:08 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Warren!  Check this out!
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-color-is-copper-as-a-gas
>
>  You mentioned your and Doug observation of an old DC motor commutator 
> brush discharge phenomenon!  When I was a kid  we had a real big DC, 
> open frame design motor so you could see the big 2 inch wide brushes 
> running on the copper segmented armature! We would turn off the lights 
> at night and watch the beautiful emerald green fuzzy brush discharge 
> created at the current break (commutation) where the HV spike 
> (collapsing magnetic flux) was actually creating a plasma in the 
> copper green gas state.  We loved to watch that big old motor create 
> this light show.
>
>
> On 6/14/2018 9:43 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> You know, you are sounding very credible, and interesting, regarding 
>> these funny spark discharges.
>> Can they be related in any way to the sparks on DC motor commutators, 
>> as again, Doug and I have found more coming from those spark 
>> discharges than was used in powering the motor.
>> You may have steered the conversation into a possible answer.
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One
>>     of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is
>>     the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for
>>     them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for the
>>     Holy Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of magnet gap
>>     quenching and the development of that highly elusive Tesla white
>>     Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most fundamental
>>     magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the
>>     preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street
>>     lights after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There
>>     were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla
>>     used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost transformers. 
>>     Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path
>>     to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he
>>     applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado
>>     Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent
>>     magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of
>>     an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the
>>     unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has
>>     absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope as a
>>     straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote Compression of
>>     energy in time.   When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge
>>     transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon
>>     rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods
>>     I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a
>>     conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of
>>     many filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the
>>     aetheric event happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric
>>     event. (reference Super Light).
>>
>>
>>     On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Smokey,
>>>
>>>     That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link
>>>     mind opening.
>>>
>>>     Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they
>>>     were happy being used as spark gaps.
>>>
>>>     Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back
>>>     to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into
>>>     my head.  This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the
>>>     plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet
>>>     snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the
>>>     genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the
>>>     few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should know.
>>>
>>>     Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during
>>>     experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well,
>>>     I think this is also very important in order to concentrate flux
>>>     like a lens with light.
>>>
>>>     TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be
>>>     considered the inverse of the above.
>>>
>>>     Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so
>>>     take umbrage with the metaphor.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hello Warren,
>>>>     Thank You for responding.
>>>>     I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another
>>>>     go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see
>>>>     the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your
>>>>     voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
>>>>     You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>>>>     I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
>>>>     included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>>>>     The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
>>>>     Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only
>>>>     discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>>>
>>>>     http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>>>
>>>>     This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark
>>>>     gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that
>>>>     was when the magic happened.
>>>>     I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>>>
>>>>     What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the
>>>>     most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a
>>>>     Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>>>>     More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
>>>>     'Crystal-devices'.
>>>>     What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add
>>>>     an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able
>>>>     to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any
>>>>     output.
>>>>
>>>>     My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
>>>>     physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and
>>>>     you forget the motor side entirely.
>>>>     *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and
>>>>     discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge
>>>>     string and an Amps discharge string.*
>>>>     This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>>>>     Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV
>>>>     with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
>>>>     Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>>>
>>>>     So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
>>>>     interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma
>>>>     gap and just before an arc would be made.
>>>>     Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT),
>>>>     he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and
>>>>     was working with the plasma only.
>>>>     So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said
>>>>     OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and
>>>>     everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you
>>>>     well away from the magic right before the spark.
>>>>
>>>>     Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that
>>>>     is really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap
>>>>     control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why
>>>>     would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual
>>>>     spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for
>>>>     free using this methodology.
>>>>     A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>>>>     Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the
>>>>     car radio?
>>>>     Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>>>
>>>>     *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>>>>     See data attached.
>>>>     In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the
>>>>     ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current
>>>>     near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about
>>>>     1200 volts stored.
>>>>     The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the
>>>>     Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a
>>>>     broader frequency range.
>>>>     Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>>>>     Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a
>>>>     Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the
>>>>     experiments on my list to do.
>>>>
>>>>     Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>>>>     This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps
>>>>     above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>>>>     There is something here in the string cap idea which is also
>>>>     unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether
>>>>     entry - dielectricty.
>>>>
>>>>     Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have
>>>>     plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>>>>     Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
>>>>     maintain a face to face attitude.
>>>>     At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7
>>>>     Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the
>>>>     volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>>>
>>>>     This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time
>>>>     Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy
>>>>     device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the
>>>>     criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
>>>>     I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas
>>>>     Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did
>>>>     another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to
>>>>     downconvert the stored energy.
>>>>     In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at
>>>>     the output as well as input.
>>>>
>>>>     *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and
>>>>     a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>>>
>>>>     One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when
>>>>     the spark was operating in that there were more than just one
>>>>     spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the
>>>>     spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more
>>>>     streamers in that gap.
>>>>     *This is just another test I would like to complete with this
>>>>     unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>>>>     I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and
>>>>     will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>>>>     The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on
>>>>     the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo
>>>>     seen on the screen.
>>>>
>>>>     When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some
>>>>     experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and
>>>>     Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was
>>>>     involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into
>>>>     Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time to
>>>>     be the best means of downconversion.
>>>>     The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an
>>>>     OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>>>>     The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
>>>>     operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma
>>>>     Valve.
>>>>
>>>>     This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and
>>>>     hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
>>>>     At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on
>>>>     my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>>>>     Respectfully.
>>>>
>>>>     Smokey
>>>>
>>>>     *Picture Listing:
>>>>     *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>>>>     1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>>>>     1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in
>>>>     the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were
>>>>     eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
>>>>     1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators -
>>>>     Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a
>>>>     full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use
>>>>     but find Carbon the best - no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth
>>>>     Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline
>>>>     batteries.
>>>>     1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number
>>>>     of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>>>>     You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot
>>>>     into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in
>>>>     opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV
>>>>     at 60mA.
>>>>
>>>>     Smokey
>>>>
>>>>     On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>     I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that
>>>>>     were available.
>>>>>     The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to
>>>>>     communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of
>>>>>     apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still
>>>>>     have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting
>>>>>     artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner
>>>>>     of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I
>>>>>     don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I
>>>>>     made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and
>>>>>     hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
>>>>>     I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and
>>>>>     sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our
>>>>>     efforts, even if at the time, no one does.
>>>>>     I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of
>>>>>     some other time zone.
>>>>>     Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>>>>     It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>>>>     Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on
>>>>>     a door that no one answered?
>>>>>     Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>>>>     Warren
>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>>>         EV Gray CST:*
>>>>>         *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>>>         *See attached.
>>>>>
>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>         In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>>>         replication of the CST failed to understand the working
>>>>>         criteria of the original Valve.
>>>>>         The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of
>>>>>         those replicators and was NOT required.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *What all of these people failed to understand was that
>>>>>         the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event
>>>>>         that was taking place at the gap.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>>>         adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>>>         Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark
>>>>>         ongoing full time?
>>>>>         This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc
>>>>>         Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply
>>>>>         the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to
>>>>>         replaced (1940/50s).
>>>>>         You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed
>>>>>         for the best lighting effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>         *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench'
>>>>>         and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where
>>>>>         the plasma event was discovered.*
>>>>>
>>>>>         For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are
>>>>>         supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for
>>>>>         one another without any expletives of any manner.
>>>>>         Now, I have given you some most valuable information and
>>>>>         hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma
>>>>>         event at the spark gap without the spark.
>>>>>         This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the
>>>>>         Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly
>>>>>         as possible as this is where the magic begins.
>>>>>         There is also another modification that I have passed on
>>>>>         here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Respectfully
>>>>>
>>>>>         Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>

Warren!    From a Canadian student!

I spent one summer as a student working in a copper smelter / refinery 
in Sudbury, Ontario.

When an insulated railway car full of molten copper came in and they 
opened it up the flames that came out the top of it were a bright green, 
sort of between a fluorescent lime green and the colour that copper 
roofs turn when they oxidize to green.


On 6/14/2018 4:20 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Oh!  James asked about the little gas tubes used by Tesla in the 
> Telegraphy (page 25 of CSN), Tesla made a lot of gas filled tubes and 
> lamps.  The most common that we all have used is the little neon gas 
> tube that all have used in circuits for many years.  You can bias on 
> of these up to the break over threshold which would be around 100 or 
> so volts with a magnetic field applied.  Remember that Tesla had the 
> little tube on the end pole of the permanent magnet and brought the 
> circuit right up the break over point of conduction which the magnet 
> preventing tube from discharging. When a pulse of correct polarity DC 
> was applied, the magnet field was temporarily dropped below hold off 
> flux density allowing tube to discharge but abruptly cut off which 
> gave a unidirectional DC discharge.  The is why he was able to sent a 
> telegraph signal into the earth at just .020 A or 20 miliamps @ 200 
> VDC which could be picked up at a distant station using the earth only 
> as a conductor.
>
>
> On 6/14/2018 4:08 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Warren!  Check this out!
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/What-color-is-copper-as-a-gas
>>
>>  You mentioned your and Doug observation of an old DC motor 
>> commutator brush discharge phenomenon!  When I was a kid  we had a 
>> real big DC, open frame design motor so you could see the big 2 inch 
>> wide brushes running on the copper segmented armature!  We would turn 
>> off the lights at night and watch the beautiful emerald green fuzzy 
>> brush discharge created at the current break (commutation) where the 
>> HV spike (collapsing magnetic flux) was actually creating a plasma in 
>> the copper green gas state.  We loved to watch that big old motor 
>> create this light show.
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2018 9:43 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> You know, you are sounding very credible, and interesting, regarding 
>>> these funny spark discharges.
>>> Can they be related in any way to the sparks on DC motor 
>>> commutators, as again, Doug and I have found more coming from those 
>>> spark discharges than was used in powering the motor.
>>> You may have steered the conversation into a possible answer.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One
>>>     of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is
>>>     the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for
>>>     them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for
>>>     the Holy Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of
>>>     magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly elusive
>>>     Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most
>>>     fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which
>>>     was the preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC
>>>     arc street lights after he had provided AC power to New Your
>>>     City. There were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the
>>>     day, so Tesla used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost
>>>     transformers.  Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using
>>>     magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working
>>>     on Telegraphy he applied this principle  as depicted on page 25
>>>     in the Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around
>>>     a permanent magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over
>>>     voltage of an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to
>>>     the unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that
>>>     has absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope
>>>     as a straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote
>>>     Compression of energy in time.   When I built Tesla's Disruptive
>>>     Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using
>>>     the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated
>>>     tungsten TIG rods I was able to get the white fire plasma
>>>     discharge which was not a conventional spark.  What is developed
>>>     is the brush discharge of many filaments or threads. Yes! I
>>>     believe this is where the aetheric event happens.  This is an
>>>     example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super Light).
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Smokey,
>>>>
>>>>     That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link
>>>>     mind opening.
>>>>
>>>>     Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they
>>>>     were happy being used as spark gaps.
>>>>
>>>>     Looks like you have everything together except the magnet. 
>>>>     Back to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded
>>>>     into my head. This experiment has all the factors you speak of,
>>>>     the plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the
>>>>     magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is
>>>>     the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of
>>>>     the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he
>>>>     should know.
>>>>
>>>>     Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during
>>>>     experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well,
>>>>     I think this is also very important in order to concentrate
>>>>     flux like a lens with light.
>>>>
>>>>     TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be
>>>>     considered the inverse of the above.
>>>>
>>>>     Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats
>>>>     so take umbrage with the metaphor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello Warren,
>>>>>     Thank You for responding.
>>>>>     I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another
>>>>>     go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see
>>>>>     the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your
>>>>>     voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
>>>>>     You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>>>>>     I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
>>>>>     included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>>>>>     The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
>>>>>     Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I
>>>>>     only discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>>>>
>>>>>     http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>     This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark
>>>>>     gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that
>>>>>     was when the magic happened.
>>>>>     I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>>>>
>>>>>     What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find
>>>>>     the most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst
>>>>>     in a Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>>>>>     More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
>>>>>     'Crystal-devices'.
>>>>>     What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add
>>>>>     an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is
>>>>>     able to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly
>>>>>     increase any output.
>>>>>
>>>>>     My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
>>>>>     physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and
>>>>>     you forget the motor side entirely.
>>>>>     *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and
>>>>>     discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge
>>>>>     string and an Amps discharge string.*
>>>>>     This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>>>>>     Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV
>>>>>     with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
>>>>>     Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>     So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may
>>>>>     have interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a
>>>>>     plasma gap and just before an arc would be made.
>>>>>     Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT),
>>>>>     he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and
>>>>>     was working with the plasma only.
>>>>>     So what happened here was that the controllers came in and
>>>>>     said OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil
>>>>>     and everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took
>>>>>     you well away from the magic right before the spark.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance
>>>>>     that is really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant
>>>>>     gap control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and
>>>>>     why would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual
>>>>>     spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for
>>>>>     free using this methodology.
>>>>>     A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>>>>>     Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the
>>>>>     car radio?
>>>>>     Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>>>>
>>>>>     *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>>>>>     See data attached.
>>>>>     In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the
>>>>>     ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current
>>>>>     near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about
>>>>>     1200 volts stored.
>>>>>     The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the
>>>>>     Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a
>>>>>     broader frequency range.
>>>>>     Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>>>>>     Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with
>>>>>     a Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the
>>>>>     experiments on my list to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>>>>>     This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps
>>>>>     above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>>>>>     There is something here in the string cap idea which is also
>>>>>     unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether
>>>>>     entry - dielectricty.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have
>>>>>     plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>>>>>     Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
>>>>>     maintain a face to face attitude.
>>>>>     At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to
>>>>>     7 Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at
>>>>>     the volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>>>>
>>>>>     This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time
>>>>>     Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy
>>>>>     device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the
>>>>>     criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
>>>>>     I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas
>>>>>     Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did
>>>>>     another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to
>>>>>     downconvert the stored energy.
>>>>>     In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at
>>>>>     the output as well as input.
>>>>>
>>>>>     *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters
>>>>>     and a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>>>>
>>>>>     One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when
>>>>>     the spark was operating in that there were more than just one
>>>>>     spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the
>>>>>     spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more
>>>>>     streamers in that gap.
>>>>>     *This is just another test I would like to complete with this
>>>>>     unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>>>>>     I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and
>>>>>     will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>>>>>     The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail
>>>>>     on the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo
>>>>>     seen on the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>     When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some
>>>>>     experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and
>>>>>     Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was
>>>>>     involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into
>>>>>     Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time
>>>>>     to be the best means of downconversion.
>>>>>     The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an
>>>>>     OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>>>>>     The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
>>>>>     operating abilities for further progress in developing a
>>>>>     Plasma Valve.
>>>>>
>>>>>     This is an introduction to my work in this particular field
>>>>>     and hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have
>>>>>     discovered.
>>>>>     At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on
>>>>>     my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>>>>>     Respectfully.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>>     *Picture Listing:
>>>>>     *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>>>>>     1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>>>>>     1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium
>>>>>     in the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which
>>>>>     were eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel
>>>>>     type tubes.
>>>>>     1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators -
>>>>>     Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a
>>>>>     full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use
>>>>>     but find Carbon the best - no maintenance -
>>>>>     Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from
>>>>>     'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
>>>>>     1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number
>>>>>     of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>>>>>     You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the
>>>>>     lot into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing
>>>>>     happens in opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp
>>>>>     transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>>     [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs
>>>>>>     that were available.
>>>>>>     The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to
>>>>>>     communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of
>>>>>>     apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still
>>>>>>     have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting
>>>>>>     artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner
>>>>>>     of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I
>>>>>>     don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because
>>>>>>     I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and
>>>>>>     hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
>>>>>>     I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and
>>>>>>     sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our
>>>>>>     efforts, even if at the time, no one does.
>>>>>>     I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of
>>>>>>     some other time zone.
>>>>>>     Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>>>>>     It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>>>>>     Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking
>>>>>>     on a door that no one answered?
>>>>>>     Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>>>>>     Warren
>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>>>>         EV Gray CST:*
>>>>>>         *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>>>>         *See attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>>>>         replication of the CST failed to understand the working
>>>>>>         criteria of the original Valve.
>>>>>>         The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of
>>>>>>         those replicators and was NOT required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         *What all of these people failed to understand was that
>>>>>>         the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event
>>>>>>         that was taking place at the gap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>>>>         adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>>>>         Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark
>>>>>>         ongoing full time?
>>>>>>         This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc
>>>>>>         Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply
>>>>>>         the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to
>>>>>>         replaced (1940/50s).
>>>>>>         You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed
>>>>>>         for the best lighting effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench'
>>>>>>         and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where
>>>>>>         the plasma event was discovered.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are
>>>>>>         supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for
>>>>>>         one another without any expletives of any manner.
>>>>>>         Now, I have given you some most valuable information and
>>>>>>         hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma
>>>>>>         event at the spark gap without the spark.
>>>>>>         This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the
>>>>>>         Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly
>>>>>>         as possible as this is where the magic begins.
>>>>>>         There is also another modification that I have passed on
>>>>>>         here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Respectfully
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Smokey
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks norm on the DC conversion never hear of that .but I think that
what's important hear is continuity of pattern in designs  one very hi
positive DC voltage pluses Thu a spark gap .good results from carbon siver
tipped rods. Tesla's way and don smith's way Bedini way but no gap just hi
voltage DC impulses looks like the Swiss wheel way .all this points to hi
positive DC hi voltage implied creating broken symmetry .in the ether .
On Jun 14, 2018 10:31 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> How is your son doing on his deep seabed mining adventure?
>
> Can you point out any more info in regards to designs for the tube and
> magnets?  I have found a bit more in the Colo Springs Notes but surmise
> there is more existing if one knows where to look. Tesla has so much
> information it is overwhelming and often hard to locate as there does not
> seem to be a properly designed repository/ database in order one can
> discriminate functionality such as everything on spark gaps etc.
>
> Also any of your notes you would be willing to share based on replication
> of the Pg25 tube, such as: length-width, gas type, pressure, magnet
> construction.
>
> From my cursory experiments in order to create the flux disturbances to
> pull the environment out of equilibrium in order to harvest, exemplary
> control of the two fields is requisite as individual vectors to the point
> of fractioning one from the other as much as possible.
>
> Also nice to have bistable core material on hand.
>
> The term superlight from the good Dr also makes me thing of the concave
> magnet face like a lens.
>
> On 6/14/2018 5:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of the
> biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the fact that past
> historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to follow and utilized in
> our circuits in our search for the Holy Grail.   Classic example is current
> discussion of magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly
> elusive Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most
> fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the
> preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street lights
> after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There were no diodes or
> selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla used the basic principle used
> in the buck/ boost transformers.  Basically a full wave bridge so to speak
> using magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on
> Telegraphy he applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the
> Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent
> magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of an
> evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the unidirectional
> gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has absolutely no ring down
> oscillations and is shown on a scope as a straight down event achieving
> Tesla's famous quote Compression of energy in time.   When I built Tesla's
> Disruptive Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using
> the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods
> I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a
> conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of many
> filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event
> happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super
> Light).
>
> On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Smokey,
>
> That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind
> opening.
>
> Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were happy
> being used as spark gaps.
>
> Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to page
> 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  This
> experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just stressed to
> the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I
> would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm
> is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should
> know.
>
> Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments.
> Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is also
> very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.
>
> TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered the
> inverse of the above.
>
> Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take
> umbrage with the metaphor.
>
> On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Warren,
> Thank You for responding.
> I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but have
> voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of the
> phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also the
> lower Carbon.
> You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
> I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have included an
> Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
> The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self Generating
> Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only discovered this many
> years later after my own discovery.
>
> http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>
> This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, there
> to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the magic
> happened.
> I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>
> What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most
> active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve which
> is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
> More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
> 'Crystal-devices'.
> What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an element
> within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to amplify the
> ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
>
> My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non physical
> with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you forget the motor
> side entirely.
> *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in
> Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps discharge
> string.*
> This is another modification that I intend attempting.
> Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 or 4
> in series or parallel.
> Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>
> So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
> interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and just
> before an arc would be made.
> Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he didn't
> want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was working with the
> plasma only.
> So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH what
> beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody fell for it
> 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the magic right before
> the spark.
>
> Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is really
> required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap control/cleaning
> contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why would anybody in their right
> mind want to have a continual spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you
> an energy for free using this methodology.
> A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
> Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
> Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>
> *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
> See data attached.
> In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether entry
> phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but the
> capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
> The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob Ianinni
> 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader frequency range.
> Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
> Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a Tripler to
> give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on my list to do.
>
> Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
> This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above
> strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
> There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown but I
> believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.
>
> Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to
> replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
> Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to maintain a
> face to face attitude.
> At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts and
> had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter told me
> otherwise and the discovery was made.
>
> This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze was
> active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I think that
> turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want was an actual
> spark.
> I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge Tubes
> (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and in such was
> the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
> In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the output
> as well as input.
>
> *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a direct
> output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>
> One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark was
> operating in that there were more than just one spark but a multitude which
> created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I guess there were
> something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
> *This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to see
> if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
> I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will Post
> when found - see picture numbers below.
> The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the wooden
> frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the screen.
>
> When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with
> units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture fully
> into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and
> delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time
> to be the best means of downconversion.
> The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G
> thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
> The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their operating
> abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
>
> This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope that
> it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
> At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my benches
> and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
> Respectfully.
>
> Smokey
>
>
> *Picture Listing: *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due
> to bounce
> 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
> 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the large
> capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually scrapped but
> why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
> 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the
> Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a
> little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - no
> maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from
> 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
> 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of singular
> arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
> You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a
> bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to ac
> electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>
> Smokey
>
> On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dave
> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were
> available.
> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with
> anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of no
> interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have been"
> interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of
> a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't know. I
> supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made them, as beautiful ,
> as I could, because I could, and hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime,
> someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the time,
> no one does.
> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other time
> zone.
> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door that
> no one answered?
> Cheers, and good to hear from you
> Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum: EV Gray CST:*
>
> *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube" *See attached.
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>
> In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of
> the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
> The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators
> and was NOT required.
>
>
>
> *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated
> without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap. *One
> simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the
> point where the spark extinguished.
> Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
> This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that
> actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed
> as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
> You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best
> lighting effect.
>
> *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I
> do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.*
>
> For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to be here
> for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of
> any manner.
> Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this
> may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without
> the spark.
> This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he
> wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the
> magic begins.
> There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with
> respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>
> Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>
> Respectfully
>
> Smokey
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Thanks norm on the DC conversion never hear of that .but I think that
what's important hear is continuity of pattern in designs  one very hi
positive DC voltage pluses Thu a spark gap .good results from carbon siver
tipped rods. Tesla's way and don smith's way Bedini way but no gap just hi
voltage DC impulses looks like the Swiss wheel way .all this points to hi
positive DC hi voltage implied creating broken symmetry .in the ether .and
releasing beta energy with no polarities . vsg works this way .too but uses
magnetic flux field to give polarity to the energy .Mr browns necular
battery was the same thing but used radium beta energy and gave it polarity
.beta on impact gives of a huge EMF on impact traveling at 62% the speed of
light .alpha is more like static electricity not the big power source like
beta . looks like there maybe more ways to achieve broken symmetry .like
bedinis work but of a lesser power level .but no problems like spark gap
degeneration . I like this similarly of systems .it shows a path .in there
commonalities.
On Jun 14, 2018 10:31 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> How is your son doing on his deep seabed mining adventure?
>
> Can you point out any more info in regards to designs for the tube and
> magnets?  I have found a bit more in the Colo Springs Notes but surmise
> there is more existing if one knows where to look. Tesla has so much
> information it is overwhelming and often hard to locate as there does not
> seem to be a properly designed repository/ database in order one can
> discriminate functionality such as everything on spark gaps etc.
>
> Also any of your notes you would be willing to share based on replication
> of the Pg25 tube, such as: length-width, gas type, pressure, magnet
> construction.
>
> From my cursory experiments in order to create the flux disturbances to
> pull the environment out of equilibrium in order to harvest, exemplary
> control of the two fields is requisite as individual vectors to the point
> of fractioning one from the other as much as possible.
>
> Also nice to have bistable core material on hand.
>
> The term superlight from the good Dr also makes me thing of the concave
> magnet face like a lens.
>
> On 6/14/2018 5:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of the
> biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the fact that past
> historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to follow and utilized in
> our circuits in our search for the Holy Grail.   Classic example is current
> discussion of magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly
> elusive Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most
> fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the
> preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street lights
> after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There were no diodes or
> selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla used the basic principle used
> in the buck/ boost transformers.  Basically a full wave bridge so to speak
> using magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on
> Telegraphy he applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the
> Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent
> magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of an
> evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the unidirectional
> gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has absolutely no ring down
> oscillations and is shown on a scope as a straight down event achieving
> Tesla's famous quote Compression of energy in time.   When I built Tesla's
> Disruptive Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using
> the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods
> I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a
> conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of many
> filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event
> happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super
> Light).
>
> On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Smokey,
>
> That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind
> opening.
>
> Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were happy
> being used as spark gaps.
>
> Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to page
> 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  This
> experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just stressed to
> the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I
> would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm
> is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should
> know.
>
> Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments.
> Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is also
> very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.
>
> TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered the
> inverse of the above.
>
> Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take
> umbrage with the metaphor.
>
> On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Warren,
> Thank You for responding.
> I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but have
> voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of the
> phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also the
> lower Carbon.
> You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
> I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have included an
> Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
> The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self Generating
> Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only discovered this many
> years later after my own discovery.
>
> http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>
> This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, there
> to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the magic
> happened.
> I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>
> What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most
> active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve which
> is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
> More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
> 'Crystal-devices'.
> What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an element
> within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to amplify the
> ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
>
> My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non physical
> with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you forget the motor
> side entirely.
> *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in
> Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps discharge
> string.*
> This is another modification that I intend attempting.
> Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 or 4
> in series or parallel.
> Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>
> So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have
> interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and just
> before an arc would be made.
> Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he didn't
> want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was working with the
> plasma only.
> So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH what
> beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody fell for it
> 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the magic right before
> the spark.
>
> Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is really
> required when you have a spark, *heat/constant gap control/cleaning
> contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and why would anybody in their right
> mind want to have a continual spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you
> an energy for free using this methodology.
> A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
> Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
> Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>
> *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
> See data attached.
> In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether entry
> phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but the
> capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
> The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob Ianinni
> 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader frequency range.
> Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
> Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a Tripler to
> give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on my list to do.
>
> Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
> This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above
> strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
> There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown but I
> believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.
>
> Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to
> replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
> Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to maintain a
> face to face attitude.
> At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts and
> had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter told me
> otherwise and the discovery was made.
>
> This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze was
> active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I think that
> turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want was an actual
> spark.
> I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge Tubes
> (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and in such was
> the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
> In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the output
> as well as input.
>
> *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a direct
> output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>
> One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark was
> operating in that there were more than just one spark but a multitude which
> created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I guess there were
> something like 10 or more streamers in that gap.
> *This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to see
> if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
> I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will Post
> when found - see picture numbers below.
> The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the wooden
> frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the screen.
>
> When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with
> units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture fully
> into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and
> delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time
> to be the best means of downconversion.
> The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G
> thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
> The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their operating
> abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
>
> This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope that
> it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
> At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my benches
> and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
> Respectfully.
>
> Smokey
>
>
> *Picture Listing: *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due
> to bounce
> 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
> 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the large
> capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually scrapped but
> why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
> 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the
> Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a
> little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - no
> maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from
> 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
> 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of singular
> arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
> You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a
> bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to ac
> electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>
> Smokey
>
> On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dave
> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were
> available.
> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with
> anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of no
> interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have been"
> interesting artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of
> a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't know. I
> supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made them, as beautiful ,
> as I could, because I could, and hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime,
> someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the time,
> no one does.
> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other time
> zone.
> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door that
> no one answered?
> Cheers, and good to hear from you
> Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum: EV Gray CST:*
>
> *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube" *See attached.
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>
> In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of
> the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
> The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators
> and was NOT required.
>
>
>
> *What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated
> without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap. *One
> simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the
> point where the spark extinguished.
> Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
> This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that
> actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed
> as the Carbon rod had to replaced (1940/50s).
> You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best
> lighting effect.
>
> *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I
> do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.*
>
> For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are supposed to be here
> for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of
> any manner.
> Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this
> may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without
> the spark.
> This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he
> wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the
> magic begins.
> There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with
> respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>
> Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>
> Respectfully
>
> Smokey
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Spark-Gap Oscillator:
 

 Tesla was central in establishing the 60 cycle alternating current power system still in use today. Yet he suspected that the more striking phenomena resided in the higher frequencies of electric vibration. To reach these heights, he first tried dynamos spun at higher speeds and having a greater number of poles than any that had existed before. One having as an armature a flat, radially grooved copper disk achieved 30,000 cycles, but Tesla wanted to go into the millions of cycles.
 It occurred to him that this vibratory capability was to be found in the capacitor. With a capacitor circuit, the spark-gap oscillator, he did indeed achieve the higher frequencies, and he did so by non mechanical means. The circuit was promising enough for him to patent it as A Method of and Apparatus for Electrical Conversion and Distribution, for Tesla saw in it the possibility of a whole new system of electric lighting by means of high frequencies. Though it was quickly succeeded by the Tesla coil and is not numbered among the more famous of the lost inventions, the spark-gap oscillator is pivotal for Tesla as the invention that launched him into his career in high frequencies. 

 

 How it works:
 

 The capacitor. There are only a few basic building blocks of electrical circuitry. The capacitor is one of them. Tesla didn't invent it, it had been around for some time, arguably for millennia, but he did improve upon it in three of his patents. Also called condenser, the common capacitor is just a sandwich of conductive and nonconductive layers that serves the purpose of storing electrical charge. The simplest capacitor has just two conductive sheets separated by a single sheet of insulation. In the capacitor shown, the conductive elements are two metal plates.
 The insulation between them is oil. In the official vocabulary, the plates are indeed called plates and the insulative layer (oil, glass, mica, or whatever) is called the dielectric. Connect the two terminals of a capacitor into a circuit where there is plus-minus electrical potential, and charge builds on the plates, positive on one, negative on the other. Let this charge build for a while, and then connect the two plates through some resistance, a coil, say, and the capacitor discharges very suddenly. Tesla said, The explosion of dynamite is only the breath of a consumptive compared with its discharge. He went on to say that the capacitor is the means of producing the strongest current, the highest electrical pressure, the greatest commotion in the medium.
 

 The capacitor's discharge is not necessarily a single event. If it discharges into a suitable resistance, there is a rush of current outward, then back again, as if it were bouncing off the resistance, then out, and back and so forth until it peters out. The discharge is oscillatory, a vibration. The vibration can be sustained by recharging the capacitor at appropriate intervals. When Tesla talks of the capacitor's discharge causing commotion in the medium, he means a vibration or mix of vibrations. The character of this vibration is determined in part by the capacity of the capacitor, that is, how much charge it will hold. This is a function of it size, the distance between plates, and the composition of the dielectric. Upon discharge there would be, typically, a fundamental vibration, some harmonics, and perhaps other commotion, maybe musical, maybe not. Additional circuitry can tame the vibration to a pure tone.
 

 Source: https://altered-states.net/barry/tesla/ https://altered-states.net/barry/tesla/

Norm,
Is this where the aether event crossed the dielectrics?
George

    On Thursday, 14 June 2018, 10:54:30 pm AEST, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark!   One of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for the Holy Grail.   Classic example is current discussion of magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly elusive Tesla white Fire plasma.  You have to go back to the most fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which was the preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC arc street lights after he had provided AC power to New Your City. There were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the day, so Tesla used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost transformers.  Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working on Telegraphy he applied this principle  as depicted on page 25 in the Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around a permanent magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over voltage of an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to the unidirectional gap.    You get a disruptive discharge that has absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope as a straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote Compression of energy in time.   When I built Tesla's Disruptive Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated tungsten TIG rods I was able to get the white fire plasma discharge which was not a conventional spark.  What is developed is the brush discharge of many filaments or threads. Yes! I believe this is where the aetheric event happens.  This is an example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super Light).
 
 
 On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Smokey,
 
That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link mind opening.
 
Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they were happy being used as spark gaps.
 
Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.  Back to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded into my head.  This experiment has all the factors you speak of, the plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the magnet snuffing out the plasma etc.  I would suggest that is the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube.  Norm is one of the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he should know.
 
 
Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well, I think this is also very important in order to concentrate flux like a lens with light.
 
TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be considered the inverse of the above.
 
Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats so take umbrage with the metaphor.
 
 
 On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 Hello Warren,
 Thank You for responding.
 I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
 You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
 I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
 The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I only discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
 
 http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
 
 This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that was when the magic happened.
 I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
 
 What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find the most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst in a Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
 More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or 'Crystal-devices'.
 What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is able to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly increase any output.
 
 My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and you forget the motor side entirely.
 Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge string and an Amps discharge string.
 This is another modification that I intend attempting.
 Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
 Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
 
 So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may have interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a plasma gap and just before an arc would be made.
 Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT), he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and was working with the plasma only.
 So what happened here was that the controllers came in and said OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil and everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took you well away from the magic right before the spark.
 
 Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance that is really required when you have a spark, heat/constant gap control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc and why would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for free using this methodology.
 A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
 Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the car radio?
 Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
 
 Impulse Discharge discovery:
 See data attached.
 In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about 1200 volts stored.
 The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a broader frequency range.
 Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
 Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with a Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the experiments on my list to do.
 
 Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
 This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
 There is something here in the string cap idea which is also unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether entry - dielectricty.
 
 Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
 Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to maintain a face to face attitude.
 At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to 7 Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at the volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
 
 This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
 I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to downconvert the stored energy.
 In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at the output as well as input.
 
 Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters and a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.
 
 One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when the spark was operating in that there were more than just one spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more streamers  in that gap.
 This is just another test I would like to complete with this unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.
 I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
 The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail on the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo seen on the screen.
 
 When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was  what appeared at the time to be the best means of downconversion.
 The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
 The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their operating abilities for further progress in developing a Plasma Valve.
 
 This is an introduction to my work in this particular field and hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have discovered.
 At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
 Respectfully.
 
 Smokey
 
 Picture Listing:
 1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium in the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which were eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel type tubes.
 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators - Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use but find Carbon the best - no maintenance - Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom  right mid are Carbons from 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
 You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the lot into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing happens in opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
 
 Smokey
 
 On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Dave
 I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs that were available. The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting artifacts, stuffed in  cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and hated to see them  tossed in the garbage. I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our efforts, even if at the time, no one does. I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of some other time zone. Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes? It broke my heart to not find magic there. Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking on a door that no one answered? Cheers, and good to hear from you Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
 EV Gray CST:
 "Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
 See attached.
 
 http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
 
 In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a replication of the CST failed to understand the working criteria of the original Valve.
 The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of those replicators and was NOT required.
 
 What all of these people failed to understand was that the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event that was taking place at the gap.
 
 One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
 Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark ongoing full time?
 This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to  replaced (1940/50s).
 You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed for the best lighting effect. 
 
 I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench' and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where the plasma event was discovered.
 
 For all of those at EV Gray - this is what you are supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for one another without any expletives of any manner.
 Now, I have given you some most valuable information and hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma event at the spark gap without the spark.
 This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly as possible as this is where the magic begins.
 There is also another modification that I have passed on here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
 
 Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
 
 Respectfully
 
 Smokey