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Warren! From a Canadian student!
I spent one summer as a student working in a copper smelter / refinery
in Sudbury, Ontario.
When an insulated railway car full of molten copper came in and they
opened it up the flames that came out the top of it were a bright green,
sort of between a fluorescent lime green and the colour that copper
roofs turn when they oxidize to green.
On 6/14/2018 4:20 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Oh! James asked about the little gas tubes used by Tesla in the
> Telegraphy (page 25 of CSN), Tesla made a lot of gas filled tubes and
> lamps. The most common that we all have used is the little neon gas
> tube that all have used in circuits for many years. You can bias on
> of these up to the break over threshold which would be around 100 or
> so volts with a magnetic field applied. Remember that Tesla had the
> little tube on the end pole of the permanent magnet and brought the
> circuit right up the break over point of conduction which the magnet
> preventing tube from discharging. When a pulse of correct polarity DC
> was applied, the magnet field was temporarily dropped below hold off
> flux density allowing tube to discharge but abruptly cut off which
> gave a unidirectional DC discharge. The is why he was able to sent a
> telegraph signal into the earth at just .020 A or 20 miliamps @ 200
> VDC which could be picked up at a distant station using the earth only
> as a conductor.
>
>
> On 6/14/2018 4:08 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Warren! Check this out!
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/What-color-is-copper-as-a-gas
>>
>> You mentioned your and Doug observation of an old DC motor
>> commutator brush discharge phenomenon! When I was a kid we had a
>> real big DC, open frame design motor so you could see the big 2 inch
>> wide brushes running on the copper segmented armature! We would turn
>> off the lights at night and watch the beautiful emerald green fuzzy
>> brush discharge created at the current break (commutation) where the
>> HV spike (collapsing magnetic flux) was actually creating a plasma in
>> the copper green gas state. We loved to watch that big old motor
>> create this light show.
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/2018 9:43 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>>> You know, you are sounding very credible, and interesting, regarding
>>> these funny spark discharges.
>>> Can they be related in any way to the sparks on DC motor
>>> commutators, as again, Doug and I have found more coming from those
>>> spark discharges than was used in powering the motor.
>>> You may have steered the conversation into a possible answer.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank You! Mick for your, pounded it into my head remark! One
>>> of the biggest problems that I have with fellow researchers is
>>> the fact that past historical evidence is laid out clearly for
>>> them to follow and utilized in our circuits in our search for
>>> the Holy Grail. Classic example is current discussion of
>>> magnet gap quenching and the development of that highly elusive
>>> Tesla white Fire plasma. You have to go back to the most
>>> fundamental magnetic device that Tesla built and Patented which
>>> was the preferred path magnetic rectifier used to power the DC
>>> arc street lights after he had provided AC power to New Your
>>> City. There were no diodes or selenium rectifiers back in the
>>> day, so Tesla used the basic principle used in the buck/ boost
>>> transformers. Basically a full wave bridge so to speak using
>>> magnetic flux path to rectify AC into DC. In 1899, while working
>>> on Telegraphy he applied this principle as depicted on page 25
>>> in the Colorado Springs Notes. When you take a coil wound around
>>> a permanent magnet and DC bias via a variable pot the break over
>>> voltage of an evacuated plasma tube, you have created the key to
>>> the unidirectional gap. You get a disruptive discharge that
>>> has absolutely no ring down oscillations and is shown on a scope
>>> as a straight down event achieving Tesla's famous quote
>>> Compression of energy in time. When I built Tesla's Disruptive
>>> Discharge transformer and used a powerful magnet horn gap using
>>> the carbon rods and again used the alpha emitter thorated
>>> tungsten TIG rods I was able to get the white fire plasma
>>> discharge which was not a conventional spark. What is developed
>>> is the brush discharge of many filaments or threads. Yes! I
>>> believe this is where the aetheric event happens. This is an
>>> example of a Magneto-Electric event. (reference Super Light).
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/11/2018 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Smokey,
>>>>
>>>> That is some great information, thanks for the Chernetski link
>>>> mind opening.
>>>>
>>>> Your pictures: a few of the thyratrons don't look as if they
>>>> were happy being used as spark gaps.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like you have everything together except the magnet.
>>>> Back to page 25 Colo Springs Notes which Norm so gently pounded
>>>> into my head. This experiment has all the factors you speak of,
>>>> the plasma just stressed to the point before it conducts, the
>>>> magnet snuffing out the plasma etc. I would suggest that is
>>>> the genesis of proper design of the Gray tube. Norm is one of
>>>> the few who had the actual Gray devices in his hands so he
>>>> should know.
>>>>
>>>> Something else I noticed in the magnet layout during
>>>> experiments. Electromagnet shaped as a concave lens works well,
>>>> I think this is also very important in order to concentrate
>>>> flux like a lens with light.
>>>>
>>>> TK is doing something entirely different, could almost be
>>>> considered the inverse of the above.
>>>>
>>>> Hey more than one way to skin a cat they say, but I love cats
>>>> so take umbrage with the metaphor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/11/2018 3:22 AM, David G Dawson [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Warren,
>>>>> Thank You for responding.
>>>>> I can only suggest that you bring it back out and have another
>>>>> go but have voltage and current meters wired up so you can see
>>>>> the instant of the phenomena and be able to adjust both your
>>>>> voltage applied and also the lower Carbon.
>>>>> You don't need Silver on the Carbon gap.
>>>>> I made a discovery which I called 'Impulse Discharge' and have
>>>>> included an Introduction below which refers to this phenomena.
>>>>> The Russians Chernetsky/Galkin did the same calling it a 'Self
>>>>> Generating Discharge' which was replicated by Frolov but I
>>>>> only discovered this many years later after my own discovery.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what Tesla was doing with the Magnet around his spark
>>>>> gap, there to extinguish the spark as soon as possible as that
>>>>> was when the magic happened.
>>>>> I apologise if I am repeating myself with other Posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am currently setting up is a series of tests to find
>>>>> the most active materials to use and also that of a catalyst
>>>>> in a Plasma Valve which is similar to Bruce Perrault's Ion Valve.
>>>>> More information on this at Yahoo Groups 'dltorsiondevices' or
>>>>> 'Crystal-devices'.
>>>>> What this could mean in your case with the CST is that you add
>>>>> an element within the cage when a plasma is active that is
>>>>> able to amplify the ambient/ether component to greatly
>>>>> increase any output.
>>>>>
>>>>> My criteria for an 'Energy Synthesis' device is that it is non
>>>>> physical with NO moving parts and the CST fits that bill and
>>>>> you forget the motor side entirely.
>>>>> *Remember also that you charge Capacitors in Series and
>>>>> discharge in Parallel so what you have is a Voltage charge
>>>>> string and an Amps discharge string.*
>>>>> This is another modification that I intend attempting.
>>>>> Capacitors below which I didn't mention are oil filled 8uF 4kV
>>>>> with 3 or 4 in series or parallel.
>>>>> Again, the oil filled have ether entry conotations as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, anywhere there was a spark gap, look to see if you may
>>>>> have interpreted that incorrectly and it should have been a
>>>>> plasma gap and just before an arc would be made.
>>>>> Remember where Tesla was with his Magnifing Transmitter (TMT),
>>>>> he didn't want the sparks but just backed off sufficiently and
>>>>> was working with the plasma only.
>>>>> So what happened here was that the controllers came in and
>>>>> said OH what beautiful sparks you can make with a Tesla Coil
>>>>> and everybody fell for it 'hook line and sinker' as it took
>>>>> you well away from the magic right before the spark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just sit back quietly now and think of all the maintenance
>>>>> that is really required when you have a spark, *heat/constant
>>>>> gap control/cleaning contacts/RF interference/noise etc *and
>>>>> why would anybody in their right mind want to have a continual
>>>>> spark running 24/7 and attempting to give you an energy for
>>>>> free using this methodology.
>>>>> A Plasma gap runs cold with little maintanance.
>>>>> Did you ever have a car with a multivibrator running for the
>>>>> car radio?
>>>>> Guess what had a very limited lifetime.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Impulse Discharge discovery:*
>>>>> See data attached.
>>>>> In the 'Impulse Discharge at work' picture you will see the
>>>>> ether entry phenomena in action, no spark at the gap, current
>>>>> near zero but the capacitors continuing to charge with about
>>>>> 1200 volts stored.
>>>>> The supply for this is from Bruce's old NuEnergy Site in the
>>>>> Bob Ianinni 'Ion Pump' which works well and modified for a
>>>>> broader frequency range.
>>>>> Operating frequency here is 75.76khz.
>>>>> Flyback is from a Blaupunkt TV 9kV and is used in the TV with
>>>>> a Tripler to give 28 kV but not used here and one of the
>>>>> experiments on my list to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Capacitors are 100pF 20kV in a string of 10.
>>>>> This is a variant of one of Don Smith's circuits with the caps
>>>>> above strung across the secondary and not in one lead.
>>>>> There is something here in the string cap idea which is also
>>>>> unknown but I believe also has connotations leading to ether
>>>>> entry - dielectricty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diodes are HVM12 - 12kV common microwave oven types and have
>>>>> plans to replace these with 'fast' types as an improvement.
>>>>> Notice the crazy angle of the spark Carbons as I was unable to
>>>>> maintain a face to face attitude.
>>>>> At the instant of ether entry, the current dropped from 21 to
>>>>> 7 Watts and had wondered what had failed but a quick look at
>>>>> the volt meter told me otherwise and the discovery was made.
>>>>>
>>>>> This phenomena was discovered in 2011 and at that same time
>>>>> Kapanadze was active and he wound up with a 4 spark very noisy
>>>>> device and I think that turned me off as that was one of the
>>>>> criteria I didnt want was an actual spark.
>>>>> I set up an output from the storage capacitors using Gas
>>>>> Discharge Tubes (GDTs) but these failed miserably as did
>>>>> another spark gap and in such was the long road into how to
>>>>> downconvert the stored energy.
>>>>> In hindsite now I should have worked to obtain a plasma gap at
>>>>> the output as well as input.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Part of my working criteria was no batteries nor inverters
>>>>> and a direct output into a transformer at the correct ac voltage.*
>>>>>
>>>>> One condition of note was observed in the Tesla Hairpin when
>>>>> the spark was operating in that there were more than just one
>>>>> spark but a multitude which created a bloom outwards in the
>>>>> spark centre and I guess there were something like 10 or more
>>>>> streamers in that gap.
>>>>> *This is just another test I would like to complete with this
>>>>> unit to see if a plasma gap can also be obtained here.*
>>>>> I have pictures of the spark and also from an oscilloscope and
>>>>> will Post when found - see picture numbers below.
>>>>> The spark picture was taken with the probe sitting on a nail
>>>>> on the wooden frame some 6" away and has a duplication or echo
>>>>> seen on the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Bruce first displayed his Ion Valve, I did some
>>>>> experiments with units I made up in Copper, Aluminium and
>>>>> Carbon but did not venture fully into the research as I was
>>>>> involved with Vacuum Tubes and Eric Dollard and delving into
>>>>> Pulsing and Thyratrons as that was what appeared at the time
>>>>> to be the best means of downconversion.
>>>>> The reason for the Dollard Cosmic Ray Detector (CRD) - used an
>>>>> OA4G thyratron and his Pulser using a 5R4GYB and 2050 thyratron.
>>>>> The Tube research was also a re-eduction of myself into their
>>>>> operating abilities for further progress in developing a
>>>>> Plasma Valve.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an introduction to my work in this particular field
>>>>> and hope that it may help others with the phenomena we have
>>>>> discovered.
>>>>> At this point I will add that I have some 5 other projects on
>>>>> my benches and all with a prospect of 'Energy Synthesis'.
>>>>> Respectfully.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>> *Picture Listing:
>>>>> *1987 Tesla Hairpin spark gap - effect duplicated due to bounce
>>>>> 1830 Ion Valves in Impulse Discharge circuit
>>>>> 1834 Plasma Valve candidates - see the green glass of Radium
>>>>> in the large capacitor - also displays carbon Anodes which
>>>>> were eventually scrapped but why? Near all have long barrel
>>>>> type tubes.
>>>>> 1911 Carbon Rods from old style projector arc generators -
>>>>> Notice the Copper around the two central ones and have now a
>>>>> full tin of these a little larger. Also Spark gaps that I use
>>>>> but find Carbon the best - no maintenance -
>>>>> Tesla/Carbon/Warmth Ether. Bottom right mid are Carbons from
>>>>> 'C' and 'D' alkaline batteries.
>>>>> 1913 Tesla Harpin showing it working and note the large number
>>>>> of singular arcs in the gap and how it bows outward.
>>>>> You grab these lamps in your bare hands and then go dip the
>>>>> lot into a bowl of water and I am still here as nothing
>>>>> happens in opposition to ac electricity. The Neon Lamp
>>>>> transformer is 12kV at 60mA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smokey
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/06/2018 6:49 PM, Warren Keillor
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I made a very nice Gray tube, years ago to the best specs
>>>>>> that were available.
>>>>>> The cage did give me a signal, but I was not able to
>>>>>> communicate with anyone regarding the use of this piece of
>>>>>> apparatus for, it seemed, of no interest to anyone. I still
>>>>>> have it with my hoard of" might have been" interesting
>>>>>> artifacts, stuffed in cardboard boxes, sitting in the corner
>>>>>> of a barn. I moved them when I moved, for reasons , even I
>>>>>> don't know. I supose perhaps like some crazy artist, because
>>>>>> I made them, as beautiful , as I could, because I could, and
>>>>>> hated to see them tossed in the garbage.
>>>>>> I see this era, and what we are doing, as pioneering, and
>>>>>> sometime, someone, might appreciate the heritage of our
>>>>>> efforts, even if at the time, no one does.
>>>>>> I feel your mess age is like a blast from the past, out of
>>>>>> some other time zone.
>>>>>> Are you, in fact, working with Gray tubes?
>>>>>> It broke my heart to not find magic there.
>>>>>> Perhaps, I just missed the secret password and was knocking
>>>>>> on a door that no one answered?
>>>>>> Cheers, and good to hear from you
>>>>>> Warren
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:01 AM, David G Dawson
>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Focus to the EVGRAY Forum:
>>>>>> EV Gray CST:*
>>>>>> *"Energy Conversion Switching Element Tube"
>>>>>> *See attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my most humble opinion, all of those that attempted a
>>>>>> replication of the CST failed to understand the working
>>>>>> criteria of the original Valve.
>>>>>> The addition of the Silver tips is, I believe, by one of
>>>>>> those replicators and was NOT required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *What all of these people failed to understand was that
>>>>>> the unit operated without a spark and was a PLASMA event
>>>>>> that was taking place at the gap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *One simple reason for its bottom Carbon rod to be made
>>>>>> adjustable just to the point where the spark extinguished.
>>>>>> Imagine how long the Tube would have lasted with a spark
>>>>>> ongoing full time?
>>>>>> This would have been similar to the old Carbon Arc
>>>>>> Projectors that actually used up the Carbon rod to supply
>>>>>> the white light and often failed as the Carbon rod had to
>>>>>> replaced (1940/50s).
>>>>>> You actually adjusted the speed of the rod being consumed
>>>>>> for the best lighting effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I actually have a bench which I call the 'EV Gray Bench'
>>>>>> and is where I do all of my high voltage work and where
>>>>>> the plasma event was discovered.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For all of those at *EV Gray* - this is what you are
>>>>>> supposed to be here for and more to do with respect for
>>>>>> one another without any expletives of any manner.
>>>>>> Now, I have given you some most valuable information and
>>>>>> hope that this may lead to you also discovering a plasma
>>>>>> event at the spark gap without the spark.
>>>>>> This is what Tesla was doing with his Magnet around the
>>>>>> Spark Gap as he wanted to extinguish the spark as quickly
>>>>>> as possible as this is where the magic begins.
>>>>>> There is also another modification that I have passed on
>>>>>> here earlier with respect to Diodes in his motor schematic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now what is the name of this Forum again EVGRAY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smokey
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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