Kone, Our loss of a great friend

Moray King,  please note.

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Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Norm, here's the good stuff!
Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
    From: Michael Fullerton
      To: All
Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
Lines: 139
[
*Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
    Sc.D., meeting organizer
[
The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
day:
(A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
(B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
(Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
results.
The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
"Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
(likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
seen.
The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
Technology.
This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
obtain a copy for themselves:
Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
finalized).
****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
"Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
announcements that two extremely important presentations on
experiments were to be made.]****
National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
Washington.
Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
Phone: 603-228-4516
 >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
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Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : BERT POOL
Subject: MIT report
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
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On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> Moray King,  please note.
>
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Norm, here's the good stuff!
> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>    From: Michael Fullerton
>      To: All
> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
> Lines: 139
> [
> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
> [
> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
> day:
> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
> results.
> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
> seen.
> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
> Technology.
> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
> obtain a copy for themselves:
> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
> finalized).
> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
> experiments were to be made.]****
> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
> Washington.
> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
> Phone: 603-228-4516
> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
> =============================================================================== 
>
>

The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.

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Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
with this one.  Norm
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On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: MIT report
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
> Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
> so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
> in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
> that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
> already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
> electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
> transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
> wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
> the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
> electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
> field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
> surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
> I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
> along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> Moray King,  please note.
>>
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>
>> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>      To: All
>> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>> Lines: 139
>> [
>> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>> [
>> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
>> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
>> day:
>> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
>> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
>> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
>> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
>> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
>> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
>> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
>> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
>> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
>> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
>> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
>> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
>> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
>> results.
>> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
>> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
>> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
>> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>> seen.
>> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
>> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
>> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
>> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
>> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>> Technology.
>> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
>> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
>> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
>> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
>> obtain a copy for themselves:
>> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
>> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>> finalized).
>> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
>> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
>> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
>> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>> experiments were to be made.]****
>> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
>> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
>> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
>> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>> Washington.
>> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>> Phone: 603-228-4516
>> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>

===============================================================================

Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
"SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
===============================================================================

On 2/16/2019 7:39 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
> with this one.  Norm
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>
>> Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: MIT report
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>> Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>> so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>> in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>> that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
>> already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>> electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
>> transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>> wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>> the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>> electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
>> field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>> surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
>> I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>> along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> Moray King,  please note.
>>>
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>>
>>> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 
>>> 09:40
>>> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>      To: All
>>> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>> Lines: 139
>>> [
>>> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>> [
>>> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
>>> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
>>> day:
>>> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>>> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
>>> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
>>> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>>> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
>>> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>>> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>>> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
>>> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
>>> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
>>> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
>>> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
>>> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
>>> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>>> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>>> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
>>> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>>> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
>>> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>>> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
>>> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
>>> results.
>>> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>>> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
>>> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>>> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>>> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
>>> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
>>> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>>> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>>> seen.
>>> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>>> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
>>> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
>>> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
>>> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
>>> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>> Technology.
>>> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
>>> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
>>> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>>> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
>>> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
>>> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
>>> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>> finalized).
>>> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
>>> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
>>> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
>>> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>> experiments were to be made.]****
>>> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>>> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
>>> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>>> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
>>> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>>> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
>>> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>> Washington.
>>> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>>

Moray King, You will like this one.

===============================================================================

Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : ALL
Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say that
is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
base.  Think about this one.  Norm
===============================================================================

On 2/16/2019 7:48 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
> =============================================================================== 
>
>
> On 2/16/2019 7:39 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>
>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>> with this one.  Norm
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>>
>>> Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 
>>> 07:46
>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>> Subject: MIT report
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>> Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>>> so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>>> in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>>> that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
>>> already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>> electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
>>> transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>>> wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>>> the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>> electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
>>> field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole. I'm am
>>> surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
>>> I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>>> along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>> Moray King,  please note.
>>>>
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 
>>>> 09:40
>>>> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>>      To: All
>>>> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>> Lines: 139
>>>> [
>>>> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>> [
>>>> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
>>>> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
>>>> day:
>>>> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>>>> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>>> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
>>>> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>>> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
>>>> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>>> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>>>> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
>>>> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>>> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>>>> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>>>> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>>> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
>>>> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>>> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
>>>> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
>>>> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>>> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
>>>> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>>> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
>>>> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>>> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
>>>> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>>>> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>>>> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
>>>> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>>>> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
>>>> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>>>> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
>>>> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
>>>> results.
>>>> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>>>> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
>>>> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>>>> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>>>> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
>>>> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
>>>> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>>>> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>>> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>>>> seen.
>>>> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>>>> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
>>>> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
>>>> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
>>>> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
>>>> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>> Technology.
>>>> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
>>>> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
>>>> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>>>> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>>> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
>>>> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>>> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
>>>> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
>>>> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>> finalized).
>>>> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
>>>> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
>>>> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>>> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
>>>> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>>>> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
>>>> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>>>> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
>>>> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>>>> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
>>>> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>>> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>>> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>> Washington.
>>>> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>>

On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: MIT report
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
> Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
> so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
> in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
> that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
> already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
> electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
> transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
> wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
> the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
> electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
> field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
> surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
> I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
> along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> > Moray King,  please note.
> >
> > 
> =============================================================================== 
>
> >
> >
> > Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
> > From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
> > To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> > Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
> > Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
> >
> > Norm, here's the good stuff!
> > Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
> >    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
> >    From: Michael Fullerton
> >      To: All
> > Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
> > Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
> > From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
> > Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
> > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
> > Lines: 139
> > [
> > *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
> >    Sc.D., meeting organizer
> > [
> > The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
> > I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
> > attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
> > Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
> > day:
> > (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
> > magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
> > occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
> > several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
> > the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
> > had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
> > Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
> > is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
> > simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
> > Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
> > Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
> > NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
> > Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
> > continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
> > worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
> > (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
> > on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
> > experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
> > 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
> > successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
> > how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
> > right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
> > gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
> > construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
> > balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
> > torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
> > his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
> > would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
> > theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
> > several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
> > magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
> > audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
> > theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
> > company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
> > deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
> > credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
> > this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
> > field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
> > published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
> > in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
> > (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
> > Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
> > Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
> > with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
> > results.
> > The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
> > "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
> > in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
> > involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
> > Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
> > position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
> > Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
> > discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
> > Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
> > similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
> > with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
> > Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
> > 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
> > suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
> > self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
> > (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
> > seen.
> > The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
> > sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
> > will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
> > summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
> > with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
> > overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available.
> > Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
> > version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
> > Technology.
> > This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
> > Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
> > meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
> > commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
> > discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
> > message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
> > compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
> > The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
> > put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
> > a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
> > free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
> > this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
> > obtain a copy for themselves:
> > Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
> > Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
> > This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
> > Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
> > finalized).
> > ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
> > contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
> > gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
> > soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
> > any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
> > newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
> > indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
> > "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
> > announcements that two extremely important presentations on
> > experiments were to be made.]****
> > National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
> > the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
> > Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
> > formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
> > Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
> > day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
> > members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
> > Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
> > David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
> > were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
> > seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
> > stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
> > managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
> > ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
> > minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
> > copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
> > Washington.
> > Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
> > P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
> > Phone: 603-228-4516
> > >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
> > 
> =============================================================================== 
>
> >
> >
>
>

Hi Norm,

Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog will warp"

Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the individual
rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization bias via spin
locking along with magnetic lenzing.

Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve molecular
alignment.

When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment relationship
the piezo had with the E field, if it was perpendicular again as the E
to B and in what direction of rotation?
Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo
electric mode...

Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency to
visible light...

On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
> with this one.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> >
> ===============================================================================
>
> >
> >
> > Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> > To     : BERT POOL
> > Subject: MIT report
> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
> >
> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
> >
> ===============================================================================
>
> >
> >
> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> >> Moray King,  please note.
> >>
> >>
> ===============================================================================
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95
> 09:40
> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
> >>
> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
> >>      To: All
> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
> >> Lines: 139
> >> [
> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
> >> [
> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
> >> day:
> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
> >> results.
> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
> >> seen.
> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available..
> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
> >> Technology.
> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
> >> finalized).
> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
> >> experiments were to be made.]****
> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
> >> Washington.
> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
> >>
> ===============================================================================
>
> >>
> >>
>
>

https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.

See:      ===============================================================================

Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
 From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
To     : ALL
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hello, all:
Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
vector in the proper direction.
..
Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
..
I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
..
Help anyone?
..
norm ( no, the other one )
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Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: (R) Timedevice
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
the initial form...>>>  Jerry
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Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
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Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: Refer 10917
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
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Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
Subject: (R) Magnet drive
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
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Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : ALL
Subject: TMI Plans
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
  
The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
  
Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
  
Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
  
If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
  
second down ramp
  
N             S  second
                    up
S             N  ramp
          
first down ramp
  
N             S  first
                    up
S             N  ramp
  
      S N         runner
  
The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
methods, please share the information.
As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
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Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED --
To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
"Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
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Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: TMI..and thanks!
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Glenda,
  
Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
actually building and analyzing the working device.
  
Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
"resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
the 3-space reality.
  
Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
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Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : ALL
Subject: All aboard!!
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
  
The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
braking.
  
For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
much cheaper than ever thought possible.
  
The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
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Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: TMI Geometry
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Norm,
  
Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
of the runner.  This dog can warp.
  
Joel

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Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
 From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
       and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
                              --------------------
Joel,
I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
  I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
found.   >> Bert
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essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
To     : BERT POOL
Subject: TMI Geometry
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Bert,
  
I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
  
It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
for fossil and nuclear fuels.
  
Joel
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Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
 From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: Rollin'
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Joel,
Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
Bert
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  > Message 11003
  > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
  > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
  > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
  > Subject: TMIDEVIC
  > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
  
  > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
  > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
  > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
  
[...]
  
******************************** I offer:
  
Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
  
As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
  
[...]
  
Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
  
Best Regards,
Stewart Harris
  
Internet:  [email protected]
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Las Vegas - Home of High Rollers, Aliens and the Good Life
             and Continuous Motion!!
... All things are difficult before they are easy.
  * TLX v4.00 *
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#31)
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Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: Message for Bill Teague
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Bill,
  
Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
the Fibronacci series.
  
Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
  
It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
zero point, and from here life begins.
  
These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
  
Joel
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  Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??


Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : BERT POOL
Subject: Riiiver
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Bert,
  
It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
incline.
  
However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
  
The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
  
Clear as mud, right?
  
Joel
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Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
with this one.  Norm
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Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
To     : BERT POOL
Subject: (R) Rollin'
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
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Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
 From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED --
To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
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Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
 From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Norm, you said:
>what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>segments in the track as per the original plans. 
  
Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
  
THX,
-Gerald
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Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
 From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED --
To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
"Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
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Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
"SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
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Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
To     : BERT POOL
Subject: Dances With Cows
Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"

Howdy Bert,
  
As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
(too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
  
As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
  
The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
nets would govern speed.
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Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
 From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"

Joel,
  
If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>> bert
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Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
 From   : PAUL VISINGER
To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
circular!
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Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
 From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: TMIdevice
Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"

Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
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Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : PAUL VISINGER
Subject: TMI Device
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
"N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
"baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
created.   Norm
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Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
 From   : BERT POOL
To     : ALL
Subject: TMI or TOMI
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
old!
  
The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
still run.
  
I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
  
It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
  
It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
  
Bert
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Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: Dances with PHI
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Norm,
  
Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
"space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
  
Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
the inverse of PHI.
  
Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
  
Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
  
C'ya,
Joel
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Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
 From   : BILL BEATY
To     : ALL
Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"

All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman, [email protected].
He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
.
His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
water in a couple of minutes.
.
Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
with the secret.
.
I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.

cc: Norman Wootan
     
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Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : PAUL VISINGER
Subject: Your MSG # 11198
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Paul,
and you're welcome!
  
Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
  
I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
  
The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
  
 From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
  
Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
  
Joel
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Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : ALL
Subject: Save the Greys
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
and ideals on these universal constants.
  
Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
  
Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
  
I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
  
I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
day.
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Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : ALL
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
  It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
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essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : ALL
Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
  
A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
the laser light is cancelled.
  
Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
"classic" UFO.
  
Joel
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Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
 From   : GLENDA STOCKS
To     : ALL
Subject: light universe 1/3
Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"

  
27 Jan 95  01:24:12
By: Ian Wilson
To: All
Re: Universal Vision
---------------------------------------------------------
   
The Geometry of Light into Matter
    
The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
effect.
     
The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
      
Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
timeless expressiveness.
       
A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
 From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
that we form in our science.
        
For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
         
          
                 12                This model has 12 sides.
             11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
          10   ³    ³  2
          ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
         9³              ³ 3
          ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
           8   ³    ³   4          unity
              7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
                 6
           
This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
material state, it combines with other particles forming
relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
molecular order.
  
The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
           2
where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
light as energy.
   
And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
representing.
    
When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
creates a larger sub-particle.
     
We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
      
       
        
                 ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
                 ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
       ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
       ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
  ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
  ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
  ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
       ³    ³    ³              ³
       ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
       ³              ³    ³
       ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
            ³    ³
            ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
  
What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
understand.
   
The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
it's schools of particles and families.
    
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Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
 From   : GLENDA STOCKS
To     : ALL
Subject: light universe 2/3
Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"

  
The Universe as a Whole.
   
When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
becomes.
    
The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
is still energy.
     
The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
(Intelligence).
      
We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
       
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
fields instead of matter fields.
        
The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
         
When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
different frequencies.
          
This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
gets really interesting.
  
Back to the Vision and it's examples.
   
The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
a body, much like an infinite ocean.
    
This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
self aware field of energy.
     
When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
focused and represented the first applied thought.
      
And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
       
This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
        
Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
understand the principles of this.
  
The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
of cause and effect.
   
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Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
 From   : GLENDA STOCKS
To     : ALL
Subject: light universe 3/3
Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"

  
Why thought as a creative energy?
   
It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
    
And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
at the different feilds of frequency.
     
This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
relationships.
      
We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
very specific frequency.
       
This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
at a very specific feild.
  
I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
sensory experience with this energy system.
   
Can human thought manifest in reality?
    
ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
hand.
     
Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
      
All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
the first wheel being fashioned.
       
If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
idea.
        
Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
thought manifestation.
  
                         Till then,
                                  Ian Wilson
   
Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
(604)-493-3455
    
This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
is.
     
Ian Wilson
      
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Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
 From   : GLENDA STOCKS
To     : ALL
Subject: crystals
Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"

Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
   From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
     To: GLENDA STOCKS
   Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
     Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
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HI!
This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
[...]
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Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : GLENDA STOCKS
Subject: TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
"Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm



Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
 From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED --
To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
...
One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
magnets glued onto it.....
...
It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
...
Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
...
It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
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Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
 From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED --
To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: (R) TMI Plans
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

  JM>
  JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
  JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
  JM>
  [snip]
  JM>
  JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
result
  JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
  JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
of
  JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
  JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
them
  JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
side
  JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
  |
  |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
  | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
  | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
  |
  |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
  | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
  |
  |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
  | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
  | magnets arranged below tracks."
  |
  |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
  | experimental data showing the dramatically different
  | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
  | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
  | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
  | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
  | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
  | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
  | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
  | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
  | corrugated cardboard.
  |
  |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
  |
  |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
  | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
  | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
  | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
  | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
  | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
  | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
  |
  |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
  | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
  | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
  | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
  | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
  | **Wow**!"
  |
  |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
  | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
  | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
  | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
  | navigate a respectable up-grade."
  |
  |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
  | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
  | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
  | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
  | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
  | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
  | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
  | years if some of the article was true or not.
  |
  |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
  | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
  | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
  | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
  |
  |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
  |
  |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
  | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
  | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
  | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
  | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
  | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
  | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
  |
  |
  |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
  | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
  | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
  | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
  | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
  | of turns on the coils...
  |
  |      Any way it covers these patens:
  |
  |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
  | Powell.
  |
  |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
  | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
  |
  |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
  |
  |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
  | one closely resembles what you have described.
  |
  |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
  | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
  | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
  | these laying around?
  |
  |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
  | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
  | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
  | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
  | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
  | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
  | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
  | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
  | the guise of "Space Operation".]
  |
  |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
  |
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Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
 From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
To     : ALL
Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
base.  Think about this one.  Norm
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To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol

On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norm,
>
> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog will warp"
>
> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the individual 
> rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization bias via spin 
> locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>
> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
> molecular alignment.
>
> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment relationship 
> the piezo had with the E field, if it was perpendicular again as the E 
> to B and in what direction of rotation?
> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo 
> electric mode...
>
> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency to 
> visible light...
>
> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>> for sharing this little device with the world. Everyone will have fun
>> with this one.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> > 
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> > To     : BERT POOL
>> > Subject: MIT report
>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>> >
>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I have
>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>> > 
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>> >>
>> >> 
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 
>> 09:40
>> >> From   : BERT POOL -- RECEIVED --
>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>> >>
>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>> >>      To: All
>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>> >> Lines: 139
>> >> [
>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>> >> [
>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
>> >> day:
>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is building one
>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience accepted
>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put forth his
>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding nuclear
>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. He is
>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places like
>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
>> >> results.
>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on FUJI TV
>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>> >> similar, related results with smaller units, will co-author a paper
>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>> >> seen.
>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter version
>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to schedule
>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available..
>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>> >> Technology.
>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major university. The
>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) Update,
>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion Technology to
>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a **reliable**
>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>> >> finalized).
>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a paper
>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no longer
>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after repeated
>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow "Science
>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>> >> Washington.
>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>> >> 
>> =============================================================================== 
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>

On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>
> See:      ===============================================================================
>
> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
> To     : ALL
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hello, all:
> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
> vector in the proper direction.
> ..
> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
> ..
> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
> ..
> Help anyone?
> ..
> norm ( no, the other one )
> ===============================================================================
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: (R) Timedevice
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: Refer 10917
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: TMI Plans
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>   
> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>   
> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>   
> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>   
> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>   
> second down ramp
>   
> N             S  second
>                     up
> S             N  ramp
>           
> first down ramp
>   
> N             S  first
>                     up
> S             N  ramp
>   
>       S N         runner
>   
> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
> methods, please share the information.
> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Glenda,
>   
> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>   
> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
> the 3-space reality.
>   
> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: All aboard!!
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>   
> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
> braking.
>   
> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>   
> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: TMI Geometry
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Norm,
>   
> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>   
> Joel
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>                               --------------------
> Joel,
> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
> found.   >> Bert
> ===============================================================================
> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: TMI Geometry
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Bert,
>   
> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>   
> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>   
> Joel
> ======================================================================
> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
> Subject: Rollin'
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Joel,
> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
> Bert
> ===============================================================================
>   > Message 11003
>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>   
>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>   
> [...]
>   
> ******************************** I offer:
>   
> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>   
> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>   
> [...]
>   
> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>   
> Best Regards,
> Stewart Harris
>   
> Internet:[email protected]
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>              and Continuous Motion!!
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> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Bill,
>   
> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
> the Fibronacci series.
>   
> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>   
> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
> zero point, and from here life begins.
>   
> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>   
> Joel
> ===============================================================================
>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>
>
> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: Riiiver
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Bert,
>   
> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
> incline.
>   
> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>   
> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>   
> Clear as mud, right?
>   
> Joel
> ===============================================================================
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
> with this one.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: (R) Rollin'
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Norm, you said:
> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>   
> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>   
> THX,
> -Gerald
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Jerry,
> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : BERT POOL
> Subject: Dances With Cows
> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>
> Howdy Bert,
>   
> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>   
> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>   
> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
> nets would govern speed.
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>
> Joel,
>   
> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
> >> bert
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
> circular!
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: TMIdevice
> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>
> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
> ===============================================================================
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : PAUL VISINGER
> Subject: TMI Device
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
> created.   Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
> >From   : BERT POOL
> To     : ALL
> Subject: TMI or TOMI
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
> old!
>   
> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
> still run.
>   
> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>   
> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>   
> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>   
> Bert
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: Dances with PHI
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Norm,
>   
> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>   
> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
> the inverse of PHI.
>   
> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>   
> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>   
> C'ya,
> Joel
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
> >From   : BILL BEATY
> To     : ALL
> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>
> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
> .
> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
> water in a couple of minutes.
> .
> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
> with the secret.
> .
> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>
> cc: Norman Wootan
>      
> ===============================================================================
>
>
> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : PAUL VISINGER
> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Paul,
> and you're welcome!
>   
> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>   
> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>   
> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>   
> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>   
> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>   
> Joel
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: Save the Greys
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
> and ideals on these universal constants.
>   
> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>   
> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>   
> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>   
> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
> day.
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
> ===============================================================================
> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>   
> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
> the laser light is cancelled.
>   
> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
> "classic" UFO.
>   
> Joel
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
> To     : ALL
> Subject: light universe 1/3
> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>
>   
> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
> By: Ian Wilson
> To: All
> Re: Universal Vision
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>    
> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>     
> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
> effect.
>      
> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>       
> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
> timeless expressiveness.
>        
> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
> that we form in our science.
>         
> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>          
>           
>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>           10   ³    ³  2
>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>          9³              ³ 3
>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>                  6
>            
> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
> material state, it combines with other particles forming
> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
> molecular order.
>   
> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>            2
> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
> light as energy.
>    
> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
> representing.
>     
> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
> creates a larger sub-particle.
>      
> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>       
>        
>         
>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>        ³              ³    ³
>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>             ³    ³
>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>   
> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
> understand.
>    
> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
> it's schools of particles and families.
>     
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
> To     : ALL
> Subject: light universe 2/3
> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>
>   
> The Universe as a Whole.
>    
> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
> becomes.
>     
> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
> is still energy.
>      
> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
> (Intelligence).
>       
> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>        
> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
> fields instead of matter fields.
>         
> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>          
> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
> different frequencies.
>           
> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
> gets really interesting.
>   
> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>    
> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>     
> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
> self aware field of energy.
>      
> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>       
> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>        
> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>         
> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
> understand the principles of this.
>   
> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
> of cause and effect.
>    
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
> To     : ALL
> Subject: light universe 3/3
> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>
>   
> Why thought as a creative energy?
>    
> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>     
> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
> at the different feilds of frequency.
>      
> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
> relationships.
>       
> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
> very specific frequency.
>        
> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
> at a very specific feild.
>   
> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
> sensory experience with this energy system.
>    
> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>     
> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
> hand.
>      
> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>       
> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
> the first wheel being fashioned.
>        
> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
> idea.
>         
> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
> thought manifestation.
>   
>                          Till then,
>                                   Ian Wilson
>    
> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
> (604)-493-3455
>     
> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
> is.
>      
> Ian Wilson
>       
>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
> To     : ALL
> Subject: crystals
> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>
> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> HI!
> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
> [...]
> --- FMail 0.92
>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
> ===============================================================================
> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
> Subject: TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>
>
>
> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
> ...
> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
> magnets glued onto it.....
> ...
> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
> ...
> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
> ...
> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
> ===============================================================================
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>   JM>
>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>   JM>
>   [snip]
>   JM>
>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
> result
>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
> of
>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
> them
>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
> side
>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>   |
>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>   |
>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>   |
>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>   |
>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>   | corrugated cardboard.
>   |
>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>   |
>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>   |
>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>   | **Wow**!"
>   |
>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>   |
>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>   |
>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>   |
>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>   |
>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>   |
>   |
>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>   | of turns on the coils...
>   |
>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>   |
>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>   | Powell.
>   |
>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>   |
>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>   |
>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>   |
>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>   | these laying around?
>   |
>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>   |
>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>   |
> ===============================================================================
> ===============================================================================
>
> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
> ===============================================================================
>
> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>
> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>
>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog will 
>> warp"
>>
>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>> individual rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>
>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>> molecular alignment.
>>
>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was perpendicular 
>> again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo 
>> electric mode...
>>
>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency to 
>> visible light...
>>
>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>> segments in the track as per the original plans. The track can be a
>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>> for sharing this little device with the world. Everyone will have fun
>>> with this one.  Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> > 
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Message 11109                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 
>>> 07:46
>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>> >
>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and I 
>>> have
>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit with a
>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong magnetic
>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our research fro
>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>>> > 
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Message 11075                                  DATE/TIME: 
>>> 01/31/95 09:40
>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>> >>
>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>> >>      To: All
>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>> >> Lines: 139
>>> >> [
>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>> >> [
>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, which
>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end of the
>>> >> day:
>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted material to
>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and this
>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as Griggs
>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>> building one
>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially reduce
>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>> accepted
>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>> forth his
>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>> nuclear
>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. 
>>> He is
>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic Battery,"
>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in places 
>>> like
>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific article
>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete experimental
>>> >> results.
>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on 
>>> FUJI TV
>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth International
>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 9-13,
>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>>> >> seen.
>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>> version
>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, working
>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>> schedule
>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available..
>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>> >> Technology.
>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events at MIT
>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>> university. The
>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>> Update,
>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>> Technology to
>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>> **reliable**
>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>> >> finalized).
>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a 
>>> paper
>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no 
>>> longer
>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>> repeated
>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>> "Science
>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and Professor
>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that did not
>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>> >> Washington.
>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>> >> 
>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>

Please note that I changed the TOPIC for discussion.

If you have not explored the subject of Sacred Geometry, you have missed 
out on a lot of Natural Phenomenon Explanations. 
https://www.themystica.com/sacred-geometry/   Countless books on the 
subject so no excuses.

On 2/18/2019 8:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>
> On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>>
>> See:      ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
>> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hello, all:
>> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
>> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
>> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
>> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
>> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
>> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
>> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
>> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
>> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
>> vector in the proper direction.
>> ..
>> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
>> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
>> ..
>> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
>> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
>> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
>> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
>> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
>> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
>> ..
>> Help anyone?
>> ..
>> norm ( no, the other one )
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) Timedevice
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
>> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
>> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
>> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
>> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
>> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
>> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
>> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
>> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
>> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
>> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
>> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
>> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
>> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Refer 10917
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
>> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
>> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
>> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
>> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
>> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
>> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
>> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
>> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
>> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
>> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
>> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
>> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
>> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
>> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMI Plans
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>   
>> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
>> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
>> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
>> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
>> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
>> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>>   
>> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
>> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
>> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
>> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
>> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>>   
>> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
>> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
>> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
>> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
>> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>   
>> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>>   
>> second down ramp
>>   
>> N             S  second
>>                     up
>> S             N  ramp
>>           
>> first down ramp
>>   
>> N             S  first
>>                     up
>> S             N  ramp
>>   
>>       S N         runner
>>   
>> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
>> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
>> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
>> methods, please share the information.
>> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
>> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
>> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
>> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
>> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
>> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
>> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
>> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
>> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
>> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
>> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
>> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Glenda,
>>   
>> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
>> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
>> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
>> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
>> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
>> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
>> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
>> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>>   
>> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
>> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
>> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
>> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
>> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
>> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
>> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
>> the 3-space reality.
>>   
>> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
>> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
>> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
>> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
>> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: All aboard!!
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
>> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
>> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
>> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>>   
>> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
>> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
>> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
>> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
>> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
>> braking.
>>   
>> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
>> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
>> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
>> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
>> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>>   
>> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
>> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
>> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>   
>> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
>> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
>> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
>> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
>> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
>> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>>   
>> Joel
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
>> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>>                               --------------------
>> Joel,
>> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
>> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
>> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
>> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
>> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
>> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
>> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
>> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
>> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
>> found.   >> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert,
>>   
>> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
>> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
>> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
>> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
>> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
>> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>>   
>> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
>> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
>> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
>> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
>> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
>> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ======================================================================
>> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: Rollin'
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Joel,
>> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
>> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
>> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
>> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
>> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
>> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
>> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
>> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
>> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
>> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
>> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>>   > Message 11003
>>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>   
>>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>>   
>> [...]
>>   
>> ******************************** I offer:
>>   
>> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
>> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
>> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
>> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>>   
>> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
>> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
>> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
>> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
>> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>>   
>> [...]
>>   
>> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
>> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
>> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
>> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
>> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
>> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
>> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>>   
>> Best Regards,
>> Stewart Harris
>>   
>> Internet:[email protected]
>> Internet:[email protected]
>> Las Vegas - Home of High Rollers, Aliens and the Good Life
>>              and Continuous Motion!!
>> ... All things are difficult before they are easy.
>>   * TLX v4.00 *
>> --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#31)
>>   * Origin: Vegas PlayGround BBS * LV, NV * 24 Nodes * (1:209/276)
>>   
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>   
>> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
>> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
>> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
>> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
>> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
>> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
>> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
>> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
>> the Fibronacci series.
>>   
>> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
>> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
>> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
>> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
>> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
>> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
>> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
>> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>>   
>> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
>> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
>> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
>> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
>> zero point, and from here life begins.
>>   
>> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
>> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
>> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
>> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
>> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
>> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
>> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>>
>>
>> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: Riiiver
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert,
>>   
>> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
>> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
>> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
>> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
>> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
>> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
>> incline.
>>   
>> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
>> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
>> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
>> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>>   
>> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
>> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
>> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
>> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
>> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
>> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
>> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
>> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>>   
>> Clear as mud, right?
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>> with this one.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: (R) Rollin'
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
>> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
>> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
>> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
>> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
>> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
>> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
>> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
>> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
>> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
>> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
>> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
>> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
>> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
>> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
>> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
>> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
>> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
>> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
>> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
>> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
>> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
>> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
>> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
>> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
>> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Norm, you said:
>> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>>   
>> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
>> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>>   
>> THX,
>> -Gerald
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
>> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
>> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
>> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
>> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
>> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
>> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
>> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
>> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
>> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
>> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
>> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
>> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
>> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
>> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
>> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
>> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
>> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
>> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
>> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
>> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
>> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
>> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
>> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
>> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
>> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
>> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
>> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
>> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
>> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
>> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
>> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
>> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
>> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: Dances With Cows
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> Howdy Bert,
>>   
>> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
>> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
>> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
>> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
>> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
>> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>>   
>> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
>> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
>> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
>> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
>> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
>> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
>> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>>   
>> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
>> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
>> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
>> nets would govern speed.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> Joel,
>>   
>> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
>> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
>> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
>> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
>> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
>> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
>> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
>> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
>> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
>> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
>> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
>> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
>> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
>> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
>> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
>> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>> >> bert
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
>> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
>> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
>> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
>> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
>> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
>> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
>> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
>> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
>> circular!
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: TMIdevice
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
>> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
>> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
>> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
>> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
>> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
>> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
>> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
>> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
>> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
>> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>> Subject: TMI Device
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
>> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
>> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
>> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
>> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
>> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
>> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
>> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
>> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
>> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
>> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
>> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
>> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
>> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
>> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
>> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
>> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
>> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
>> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
>> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
>> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
>> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
>> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
>> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
>> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
>> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
>> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
>> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
>> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
>> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
>> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
>> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
>> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
>> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
>> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
>> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
>> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
>> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
>> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
>> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
>> created.   Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
>> >From   : BERT POOL
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMI or TOMI
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
>> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
>> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
>> old!
>>   
>> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
>> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
>> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
>> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
>> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
>> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
>> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
>> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
>> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
>> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
>> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
>> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
>> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
>> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
>> still run.
>>   
>> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
>> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>>   
>> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>>   
>> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>>   
>> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: Dances with PHI
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>   
>> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
>> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
>> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
>> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
>> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
>> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
>> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
>> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
>> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
>> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
>> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
>> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
>> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>>   
>> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
>> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
>> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
>> the inverse of PHI.
>>   
>> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
>> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
>> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
>> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>>   
>> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
>> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
>> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
>> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>>   
>> C'ya,
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
>> >From   : BILL BEATY
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
>> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
>> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
>> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
>> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
>> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
>> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
>> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
>> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
>> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
>> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
>> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
>> .
>> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
>> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
>> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
>> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
>> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
>> water in a couple of minutes.
>> .
>> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
>> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
>> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
>> with the secret.
>> .
>> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
>> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
>> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
>> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
>> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>>
>> cc: Norman Wootan
>>      
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>>
>> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>> and you're welcome!
>>   
>> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
>> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>>   
>> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
>> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
>> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
>> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
>> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>>   
>> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
>> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
>> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
>> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
>> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
>> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
>> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
>> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
>> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>>   
>> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
>> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
>> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
>> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
>> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
>> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
>> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
>> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>>   
>> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Save the Greys
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
>> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
>> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
>> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
>> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
>> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
>> and ideals on these universal constants.
>>   
>> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
>> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
>> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
>> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
>> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
>> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
>> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>>   
>> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
>> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
>> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
>> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
>> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
>> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
>> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
>> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
>> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>>   
>> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
>> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
>> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
>> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
>> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
>> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
>> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
>> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>>   
>> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
>> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
>> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
>> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
>> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
>> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
>> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
>> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
>> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
>> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
>> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
>> day.
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
>> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
>> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
>> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
>> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
>> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
>> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
>> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
>> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
>> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
>> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
>> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
>> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
>> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
>> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
>> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
>> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
>> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
>> ===============================================================================
>> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
>> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
>> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
>> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
>> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>>   
>> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
>> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
>> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
>> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
>> the laser light is cancelled.
>>   
>> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
>> "classic" UFO.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 1/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
>> By: Ian Wilson
>> To: All
>> Re: Universal Vision
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>    
>> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>>     
>> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
>> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
>> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
>> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
>> effect.
>>      
>> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
>> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
>> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
>> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>>       
>> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
>> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
>> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
>> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
>> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
>> timeless expressiveness.
>>        
>> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
>> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
>> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
>> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
>> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
>> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
>> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
>> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
>> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
>> that we form in our science.
>>         
>> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
>> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>>          
>>           
>>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>>           10   ³    ³  2
>>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>>          9³              ³ 3
>>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>>                  6
>>            
>> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
>> material state, it combines with other particles forming
>> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
>> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
>> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
>> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
>> molecular order.
>>   
>> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
>> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
>> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
>> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
>> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>>            2
>> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
>> light as energy.
>>    
>> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
>> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
>> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
>> representing.
>>     
>> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
>> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
>> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
>> creates a larger sub-particle.
>>      
>> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
>> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
>> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>>       
>>        
>>         
>>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>>        ³              ³    ³
>>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>>             ³    ³
>>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>>   
>> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
>> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
>> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
>> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
>> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
>> understand.
>>    
>> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
>> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
>> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
>> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
>> it's schools of particles and families.
>>     
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 2/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> The Universe as a Whole.
>>    
>> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
>> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
>> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
>> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
>> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
>> becomes.
>>     
>> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
>> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
>> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
>> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
>> is still energy.
>>      
>> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
>> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
>> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
>> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
>> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
>> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
>> (Intelligence).
>>       
>> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
>> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
>> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
>> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
>> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
>> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
>> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
>> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>>        
>> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
>> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
>> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
>> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
>> fields instead of matter fields.
>>         
>> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
>> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
>> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
>> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
>> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>>          
>> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
>> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
>> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
>> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
>> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
>> different frequencies.
>>           
>> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
>> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
>> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
>> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
>> gets really interesting.
>>   
>> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>>    
>> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
>> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
>> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
>> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
>> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>>     
>> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
>> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
>> self aware field of energy.
>>      
>> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
>> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
>> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
>> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
>> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
>> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>>       
>> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
>> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
>> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
>> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
>> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>>        
>> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
>> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
>> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
>> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>>         
>> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
>> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
>> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
>> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
>> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
>> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
>> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
>> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
>> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
>> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
>> understand the principles of this.
>>   
>> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
>> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
>> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
>> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
>> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
>> of cause and effect.
>>    
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 3/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> Why thought as a creative energy?
>>    
>> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
>> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
>> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
>> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
>> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
>> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>>     
>> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
>> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
>> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
>> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
>> at the different feilds of frequency.
>>      
>> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
>> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
>> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
>> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
>> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
>> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
>> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
>> relationships.
>>       
>> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
>> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
>> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
>> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
>> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
>> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
>> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
>> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
>> very specific frequency.
>>        
>> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
>> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
>> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
>> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
>> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
>> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
>> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
>> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
>> at a very specific feild.
>>   
>> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
>> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
>> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
>> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
>> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
>> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
>> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
>> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
>> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
>> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
>> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
>> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
>> sensory experience with this energy system.
>>    
>> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>>     
>> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
>> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
>> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
>> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
>> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
>> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
>> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
>> hand.
>>      
>> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
>> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
>> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>>       
>> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
>> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
>> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
>> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
>> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
>> the first wheel being fashioned.
>>        
>> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
>> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
>> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
>> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
>> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
>> idea.
>>         
>> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
>> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
>> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
>> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
>> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
>> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
>> thought manifestation.
>>   
>>                          Till then,
>>                                   Ian Wilson
>>    
>> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
>> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
>> (604)-493-3455
>>     
>> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
>> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
>> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
>> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
>> is.
>>      
>> Ian Wilson
>>       
>>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: crystals
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> HI!
>> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
>> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
>> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
>> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
>> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
>> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
>> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
>> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
>> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
>> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
>> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
>> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
>> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
>> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
>> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
>> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
>> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
>> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
>> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
>> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
>> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
>> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
>> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
>> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
>> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
>> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
>> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
>> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
>> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
>> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
>> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
>> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
>> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
>> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
>> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
>> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
>> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
>> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
>> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
>> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
>> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
>> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
>> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
>> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
>> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
>> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
>> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
>> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
>> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
>> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
>> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
>> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
>> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
>> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
>> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
>> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
>> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
>> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
>> [...]
>> --- FMail 0.92
>>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
>> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
>> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
>> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
>> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
>> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
>> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
>> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
>> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
>> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
>> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
>> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
>> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
>> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
>> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
>> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
>> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
>> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
>> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
>> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
>> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
>> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
>> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
>> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
>> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
>> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
>> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
>> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
>> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
>> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
>> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>>
>>
>>
>> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
>> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
>> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
>> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
>> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
>> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
>> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
>> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
>> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
>> ...
>> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
>> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
>> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
>> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
>> magnets glued onto it.....
>> ...
>> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
>> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
>> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
>> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
>> ...
>> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
>> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
>> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
>> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
>> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
>> ...
>> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
>> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
>> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
>> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
>> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
>> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
>> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
>> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
>> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>>   JM>
>>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>   JM>
>>   [snip]
>>   JM>
>>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
>> result
>>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
>> of
>>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
>> them
>>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
>> side
>>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>   |
>>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>>   |
>>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>>   |
>>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>>   |
>>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>>   | corrugated cardboard.
>>   |
>>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>>   |
>>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>>   |
>>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>>   | **Wow**!"
>>   |
>>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>>   |
>>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>>   |
>>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>>   |
>>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>>   |
>>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>>   |
>>   |
>>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>>   | of turns on the coils...
>>   |
>>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>>   |
>>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>>   | Powell.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>>   |
>>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>>   | these laying around?
>>   |
>>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>>   |
>>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>>   |
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
>> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
>> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
>> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
>> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
>> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
>> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
>> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
>> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
>> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
>> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
>> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
>> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
>> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
>> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
>> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
>> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
>> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
>> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
>> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
>> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
>> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
>> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
>> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
>> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
>> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
>> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
>> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
>> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
>> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
>> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
>> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
>> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>>
>> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Norm,
>>>
>>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog will 
>>> warp"
>>>
>>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>>> individual rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>>
>>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>>> molecular alignment.
>>>
>>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was perpendicular 
>>> again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo 
>>> electric mode...
>>>
>>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency 
>>> to visible light...
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>>> for sharing this little device with the world. Everyone will have fun
>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>> >
>>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and 
>>>> I have
>>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit 
>>>> with a
>>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong 
>>>> magnetic
>>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our 
>>>> research fro
>>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Norm
>>>> > 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>> >>      To: All
>>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>> >> Lines: 139
>>>> >> [
>>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>> >> [
>>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, 
>>>> which
>>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end 
>>>> of the
>>>> >> day:
>>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted 
>>>> material to
>>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and 
>>>> this
>>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as 
>>>> Griggs
>>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>>> building one
>>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially 
>>>> reduce
>>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>>> accepted
>>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>>> forth his
>>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>>> nuclear
>>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. 
>>>> He is
>>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic 
>>>> Battery,"
>>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in 
>>>> places like
>>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific 
>>>> article
>>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete 
>>>> experimental
>>>> >> results.
>>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on 
>>>> FUJI TV
>>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth 
>>>> International
>>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 
>>>> 9-13,
>>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>>>> >> seen.
>>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>>> version
>>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, 
>>>> working
>>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>>> schedule
>>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available..
>>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>> >> Technology.
>>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events 
>>>> at MIT
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>>> university. The
>>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>>> Update,
>>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>>> Technology to
>>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>>> **reliable**
>>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>> >> finalized).
>>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a 
>>>> paper
>>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no 
>>>> longer
>>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>>> repeated
>>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>>> "Science
>>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and 
>>>> Professor
>>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that 
>>>> did not
>>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>> >> Washington.
>>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>>> >> 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>

Here is the file TIMDEVIC.ASC from the Keely Net as left by Jerry 
Decker. (RIP)

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|  Contributed by : Glenda Stocks    |  Dir Category    : 
ENERGY            |
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I spoke with Mr. Harris around 5PM today and he says he applied for a patent
on this device back in 1978 and it was rejected.  A Dr. Marion Bowman from
Washington travelled out to Mr. Harris' home to witness the operation of the
device.  He was amazed and returned to Washington enthusiastic about its
applications.  Shortly after this demonstration, all copies of the patent
application and other information subsequently disappeared from the 
Washington
Patent Office.  In addition, Mr. Stewart's home was broken into and his
original drawings, papers, applications and correspondence was stolen.

Mr. Harris is disabled and has health problems which prevent him from 
actively
researching the device himself.  He tells me he built this thing in one
session as if it were inspired by some outside influence.  As noted in the
following document, the 'flapper' resulted from a dream that helped him 
solve
a perplexing problem with the device.  Stewart said the unit provides
tremendous force and he had to use the tinker toy wheels TO SLOW IT 
DOWN.  He
has not yet placed it in a rotating wheel or rotary track though he has no
doubt it will drive a wheel or magnet.

I informed Stewart of John Searls' rotating magnets and his use of a 
circular
track with a cylindrical magnet placed horizontally on the track, wherein it
would start moving around the track on its own.  This is the very basis 
of the
Searl flying machine.  The same principle is used in the Hummel flying disk,
the Howard Johnson patent, the Troy Reed invention, the Gary magnetic motor
and several others.  So, there is AMPLE GROUND for the claims of Mr. Stewart
despite all the flames from those who live to create negative mischief.

We here at KeelyNet will definitely experiment with the phenomenon and 
report
not only to Mr. Harris as per our discussion, but also to KeelyNet and our
many other associates and networkers.  If you choose to experiment with this
or a version of it, please share your results with us and with the 
inventor as
he has so kindly shared his work with us.......Thank you!........>>>  Jerry

             Also, I'd like to thank Glenda Stocks for sharing this
          fascinating file with the KeelyNet group and our associates!!
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Theory of Magnetic Instability
A device by Stewart Harris

Origin: XBN - 0004 - F:NSHIFTCP
   From: STEWART HARRIS
     To: GLENDA STOCKS
   Date: 01/04/95 at 19:10
     Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > Glenda:

  > I have used this in the hopes I will not be out of line with regard to
  > crossposting information you expressed interest in with regard to my
  > device.

  > What follows is postings on the device by others on RIME, Science. I
  > will put the headings on once, and then state who is posting for some
  > form of brevity.

  > I must congratulate Judy Stein from New York as being both an observant
  > writer but quite good in describing what she received from me. I have a
  > videotape of my device in action, following by a video of the CNN report
  > I refer to wherein it shows NASA attempting to move a drop of water up a
  > single incline, and without success, it moving only halfway. I know why
  > it will not proceed further.
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  > Conference: 28,SCIENCE
  > Date: 1994-06-22,14:36
  > From: JUDY STEIN
  > To: JIM GOODMAN
  > Subject: Harris device 1/2

  > Let me use the terms "incline" and "decline" to refer to the two sides
  > of each of the two peaks in the demo box, the terms referring to what
  > the runner is doing when it traverses them (see diagrams).

  > The runner has the general shape of a barbell. Two Tinkertoy wheels, one
  > on either end, are the bells. Something that resembles a roll of
  > Lifesavers strung on a rod forms the bar between the wheels--the
  > Lifesavers, I gather, are circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
  > I'd guess about a quarter of an inch thick and an inch in diameter, and
  > there are eight or 10 of them strung on the rod. The Tinkertoy wheels
  > are about an inch and a half in diameter. The runner looks as though
  > it's about six inches long, total.

  > Cross section view

      runner starts here
          \|/
           |
         | |     /\            /\             |
         | |   /    \        /    \           |
         | | /        \    /        \         |
         | /            \/            \       |
         |-------------------------------     |
         |                                    |
         |                                  <--------- runner ends up here
         |____________________________________|

  > The angles of incline and decline are considerably exaggerated in the
  > diagram. It looks to me as though the declines are shorter and more
  > steeply angled than the inclines; the inclines seem to be about 2.5"
  > long and at 25 degrees, while the declines are more like 1" long and
  > about 45 degrees (rough estimate). The height of the triangle looks like
  > about 3/4" or so.

  > On either side of the track are two additional rolls of these circular
  > magnets (four in all), the rolls being at right angles to the magnets on
  > the runner. Each of the two rolls of magnets on either side is set at an
  > angle to match the angle of the inclines.

Top view

            |<--track-->|
      ____________|____________
      |  ___|     |      |___  |
      | |___|  (start)   |___| |
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|  incline   |___| <---------roll of magnets, positioned at
      | |___|            |___| |         the same angle as the slope of
      | |___|            |___| |         the incline
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|____________|___| |
      |     |            |     |
      |     |   decline  |   <-----------no magnets here, but not as much
      |     |            |     |         space between the rolls as I've
      |  ___|____________|___  |         shown
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|  incline   |___| |
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|            |___| |
      | |___|____________|___| |
      |     |            |     |
      |     |   decline  |     |
      |     |            |     |
      |     |____________|     |
      |        (finish)        |
      |________________________|

  > The runner is positioned by hand at the bottom of the first incline (top
  > of the top-view diagram). When it is released, it moves rapidly up the
  > first incline, down the first decline, up the second incline, and down
  > the second decline. When it reaches the bottom of the second decline, it
  > simply falls down into the lower level of the box (bottom of the
  > top-view diagram).

  > It's clear the runner is *released*, not given a push. It has to be
  > aligned correctly. My guess is the person aligning it feels a pressure
  > of the runner against his fingers when it's properly aligned. In the
  > demo, the person aligns it and then simply lays his finger on the rod to
  > keep it from moving, then removes his finger, and the runner starts to
  > move immediately.

  > These diagrams are very crude. The demo itself is extremely crude--as
  > Stewart has said, it's a cardboard box with a lot of Scotch tape holding
  > things together.

Stewart, you are right, she has done an excellent job of describing it, and
the diagrams are good also.  I will share this with the Keelynet BBS, as 
they
are usually interested in devices like yours.  If I get any feedback from
anyone, I will share it with you on the conferences.  I will reproduce the
remainder of your file here for the I_UFO conference (where we discuss UFO's
and New Science) and for other areas where I will share this information.
Let's hope that we will get feedback from other sources that will help 
us all
to understand the force(s) at work here.  :)
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Following is a sample of Mr. Ken Stuckas accusing me of a hoax, and
eventually, fraud.

This is part of what keeps me from doing a great deal with this.

With no evidence of ill will on my part, Mr. Stuckas, a credentialed 
scientist
on several Science echos, simply attacks me out of, what, pique or with a
sense to destroy me. I intend to find out more about this later in a
courtroom, but for now it is simply interesting to note.
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Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
From: KEN STUCKAS
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Harris device

  -=> While eating a book entitled "Harris device", Stewart Harris mumbled:

  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I create
  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.

Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the device
is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going down hill. Mind
giving me the phone number of the commercial photographers who made the 
video?

***I supplied this for him, but he never called.

  SH> As for sending a tape, being poor, unwilling to change that situation
  SH> by effort and disability, I am limited to sort of one tape a month,
  SH> (Cost about $15. Can't infringe on Helen's bingo money.) I am afraid
  SH> latecome and hostiles will have to wait a very, very long time.

Oh, you aren't willing to make money off someone who understands 
science, huh?
You confuse skeptical criticism with hostility. How interesting. I don't 
think
it's ethical to use this echo to advertise a product, let alone one that
claims to violate the well-known and accepted laws of conservation of 
energy.
If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain the the
U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate mail fraud.

*** For the life of me I could not see how he translated an explanation of
     my poverty into a refusal to make money from him. And to do you see any
     effort at advertising? It was a science echo. And I have never made the
     claims he states; scientists have stated if my device worked it 
would do
     that. But that is not what I say because I don't even have the 
knowledge
     to know it in the first place.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
From: KEN STUCKAS
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Temporary energy stor 2/3

  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 2/3", Stewart
  -=> Harris mumbled:

  SH> So my first premise, that permanent magnets are a source of energy or
  SH> force, is correct according to what I read here. Yet you say permanent
  SH> magnets are not a source of energy. You seem to be supporting this by
  SH> saying that my device is doing no work, therefore no energy or force
  SH> is exerted.

  SH> I am saying I cannot understand how a weight can be lifted to a height
  SH> without work or force being done and without any energy input.

Replace your magnets with springs and you will see the problem. A compressed
spring has potential energy. I had to do work on the spring to load it with
the potential energy. That work came from an outside source.  Once the 
spring
does work on some other system, I have to compress it again to get it do
repeat that work.

A magnet and an iron bar separated by a distance possess potential 
energy just
as a coiled spring does. Once they come in contact with one another or just
get closer to one another I have to do work on them to separate them.

*** As you can see from the drawings by Judy Stein, there is no 'contact 
with
     one another' and you will notice that the runner is close to the 
magnets,
     separated by wooden wheels, and they are never at any point along the
     route up and down the inclines in a position where they have to be
     'separated.' This is the common objection, the 'lines run perpendicular
     and result in only attraction/repulsion' approach of current 
science. I am
     demonstrating that the mass is moved parallel to the lines of 
force, there
     is no magnetic lock, and, therefore, no need for that 'extra work' to
     'separate and reset' the magnets or springs.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: KEN STUCKAS
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Temporary energy stor 3/3

  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 3/3", Stewart
  -=> Harris mumbled:

  SH> Now as far as a weight being at a height, I seriously doubt there is
  SH> even a bad engineer or cannot work out some way to put that weight to
  SH> good use. Yet as I understand what I am being told, either I cannot do
  SH> what I say and I am lying, or lifting a mass to a height is not useful
  SH> and cannot have any benefit to mankind.

How did that weight get to that height? You had to do work on it to get it
there, right? When the weight has fallen and, in the process, done work on
some system then I need to do work on the weight to lift it back up to that
height.

You cannot violate the law of conservation of energy here in the world of
classical mechanics. I will absolutely guarantee you that in the device you
are demonstrating, the total potential energy plus the total kinetic energy
at the beginning is greater than the totals of those values at the end. You
have lost some small amount of energy through the heat of frictionand
aerodynamic drag.

If the video you made seems to violate these principles then you have tilted
the device at such an angle so that the device operates by going down 
hill and
if you have deliberately and knowingly tilted the video camera at the same
angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve others, 
then
that's fraud.

*** Again, since it cannot be true because it would violate his laws of
     physics, I must, then, be hoaxing the situation. This is also common in
     all rebuttals to new science or ufo technology. He says that if the 
video
     shows the mass as going up, then it must be going down because I 
had the
     photographer tilt it, making it appear level, and that is fraud. He 
later
     denies this.

  SH> What is my goal? One is not scientific and not applicable in this
  SH> echo. The other, and the reason I got into this with you and others,
  SH> is to see if there is some way to explain what is being done without
  SH> running into the initial blocks I came across some 18 years ago;
  SH> namely, objection to the device because it will violate some physical
  SH> laws.

Your only out is to appeal to those who believe in pseudoscience by claiming
the effect to lie in the domain of quantum electrodynamics. In that case I
refer you to Chapter 12 of the recent book by Murray Gell-Mann, the 1969 
Nobel
laureate in physics "The Quark and the Jaguar." Chapter 12 is called 
"Quantum
Mechanics and Flapdoodle," which points out the errors of just about
everything that Judy Stein believes in.

  SH> You and others put your fingers on what I consider to be a way out,
  SH> and I am only exploring that possibility now with what I propose to
  SH> build.

  SH> If my flapper is successful, and I see no reason for it not to
  SH> succeed, then I believe that the downward, pendulum-like swing which
  SH> will bring the mass back into the track is a source of energy drawn
  SH> upon from outside the system, which would be perfectly normal and
  SH> would violate no laws.

Your intuition is apparently unaffected by scientific understanding.

  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.

It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being deliberately
deceptive.

*** Here, since I did complete the 'flapper' since this dialogue, it has 
gone
     more than one cycle, so I guess I am being deliberately deceptive. 
Now you
     see why I have no real wish to go further and show this to the world.
     Ken Stuckas is simply a clone for all the scientists who have ragged me
     for 19 years now. It is not worth it.

*** Judy Stein rebuts some of the accusations of this being rigged, a 
hoax, an
     optical illusion, a fraud.
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Date: 1994-06-30,17:19
From: JUDY STEIN
To: ERIK FRANCIS
Subject: HARRIS DEVICE

  EF>> Whether his device actually produces any "net work," I'm not
  EF>> qualified to say. But I'm cracking up at your "optical illusion"
  EF>> description. You'd have to actually see the demo to realize how
  EF>> hilarious that is.

  EF> Keep in mind that unless one has direct three-dimensional access to a
  EF> device, optical illusions and tricks are always possible (or, rather,
  EF> much easier!). Not that this is the case; but it is always important
  EF> to realize that it might be.

*** Mr. Francis is far more rational and polite, but there is the underlying
     inference that it could be something which one is not really 
saying. This
     is why I stopped sending out the tapes. Just more of a hoax, much 
as UFO
     tapes are hoaxes.

I understand; this is certainly the case in theory. But I think if you 
were to
see the demo you'd realize why I said what I did.

(Not that this addresses your objection, and it isn't what I'm referring to,
but on the demo tape the apparatus is shoved around by hand (with the camera
running) so you see it doing its thing from all angles, several complete 
runs
from each angle. There are also closeups, with the camera right on top 
of the
apparatus.)

I don't quite know how to say this without sounding like I'm deprecating the
device, but it's really a rattletrap thing, like what a kid would throw
together. It wouldn't get any prizes at a high school science fair, it's too
messy, too crude. The *diagram* I posted here is more precise than the 
device.
I made neater dollhouses out of shirt cardboards when I was 10.

*** Ms. Stein was right in one sense. It would not win a prize in a high
     school science fair. However, I must add that the son of a friend 
in Las
     Vegas, who has been to the house many times and played with the device,
     built a more suitable duplicate (Another reproduction I forgot to 
add to
     that of the two gentlemen in Fido Science), and he won his high school
     science fair, and was second in the State Science Fair here in Nevada.
     That young man was Michael Wood, Son of Dennis Wood who posts on 
several
     fido echos.

It is really barking up the wrong tree to suggest Stewart is trying to 
pull a
fast one with this thing. I don't have any idea whether it's significant or
not, but it is whatever it is and not something pretending to be something
else.
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Date: 1994-07-02,01:02
From: JIM HARFORD
To: RON FREIMUTH
Subject: Harris device

  . RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a .
  . RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to .
  . RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point. .

It would be hard to explain only if the potential energy (energy of 
position)
of the mass was entirely gravitational. Then potential energy would be 
exactly
proportional to height. But since part of the potential energy of the 
mass is
due to the magnetic field that simple relationship is destroyed and one 
can no
longer visually determine whether what Judy saw is something ordinary or
something extraordinary.
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Date: 1994-07-02,21:02
From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
To: RON FREIMUTH
Subject: Harris device

  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.

This is correct. This is what I have seen as well.

  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is exactly at
  RF> the initial height?

The exit point appears to be at the same height as the entrance point.
However, the device unfortunately terminates PRECISELY at the end of the
second hill, and it becomes difficult to judge how far and whether the 
roller
would have continued for any distance after the end of the device.  At 
the end
of the device, the roller literally falls off the device onto the floor or a
waiting hand.

*** This lack of movement at the end is strictly a matter of design. The
     duplicates made by other gentlemen do proceed far beyond the end, and
     there is even comment on this point as being one of the problems that
     science faces in explaining this, as is alluded to in the above 
comments.
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Date: 1994-07-02,18:37
From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
To: RON FREIMUTH
Subject: Harris Device

  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.

  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is exactly at
  RF> the initial height?

I can say, sight unseen, the runner could have appreciable velocity if it
exited HIGHER.

You wouldn't be surprized if a wad of paper could shoot higher from an 
elastic
band, surely? Remember, if there's initial repulsion before the runner is
placed on the track, that's potential energy for the acceleration phase!

*** This is the general objection to the continuous motion aspect of this
     device. The 'flapper' is designed to demostrate that this shortcuts the
     repulsion aspect of the Theory of Magnetic Instability I have put
     together; and this shows that the mass or runner can actually start 
from
     scratch without the impetus of any passage through a repulsion phase.

I realize the PE is a function of height and distance from the magnets.

Now, I don't know how those disk magnets are stacked. All in the same
direction? If the moving mass were magnetized one could stack the magnets to
first attract, then repel. Equivalent approximately to a parabolic gravity
well. A mass would accelerate to the bottom, then *nearly* reach the top at
the other side.

*** Notice "nearly". Yet my runner does not nearly reach the upper apex, it
     is accelerating at that point. Accelerating, so it is gaining momentum.

Add another force, gravity, and one can distort the well by adjusting the
curve of the track.

*** Here is one of my problems with this whole affair. Is gravity an energy
     input or a force which is never consumed. If the latter, then COE 
does not
     apply at all. Is any gravity used up when all objects fall. When a 
plane
     flies, is gravity an input or a force. Thrust is required to overcome
     gravity. I wonder why, when my mass is moved uphill against gravity, no
     work is being done similar to the thrust of an airplane engine. So 
what is
     the engine? It must be the magnets. But my magnets still work the 
same as
     they did 19 years ago.
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Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Harris device 1/2

  SH> Never thought that, and it would not matter! You have not called me a
  SH> fool, at least. Perhaps that is because neither of us is an expert.
  SH> Only an expert can tell you the runner does not do what you see. I am
  SH> used to it.

I have seen the videotape, and I see it does what you are saying.

I would, however, like to know how the magnets are arranged along the track.
For, having seen the device, I am sure I can buy a bunch of magnets and
construct a similar device. Perhaps even make one that is a bit better in
terms of efficiency and arrange so that the output of one such device leads
into the input of the other, and then repeat the output of the latter 
into the
input of the first. A closed loop.

For, science requires repeatability, and if you can get someone else to 
repeat
what you have done, independently, then that shows something.

*** The same argument made by gentlemen on Fido Science. And it was 
reproduced
     and the exact same suggestions were made with regard to putting it 
into a
     closed loop. That is what the new dream "from my aliens" showed me 
how to
     do with a great deal less expense than my own ideas. I have not pursued
     this with Mr. Silverman because I had given up by then. It was the new
     dream about the 'flapper' which brought me bck to life.
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Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
Subject: Harris Device 1/2

  BW> Stewart, I believe you have given a moderate and up front account of
  BW> your interesting machine.

  BW> You have never claimed perpetual motion for it, nor even long
  BW> continued action.

But because a closed loop could be constructed by joining output and 
inputs of
2 such devices, it certainly implies it.

  BW> I believe I understand the operating principle of your device: I
  BW> believe you provide energy in placing the runner into its
  BW> energetically favorable starting position.

  BW> You can easily test for this initial repulsion that must be overcome.
  BW> You probably cannot even FEEL the force you are providing - a basis
  BW> for your puzzlement, I'm sure.

  BW> But if you will suspend the runner on two long threads of cotton, say
  BW> 24 inches long each, and GRADUALLY approach the runner to its starting
  BW> position on the track, you will find that the runner pushes back from
  BW> its starting position, until it gets quite close, then it starts to
  BW> pull forward. You will see the cotton suspension leans a little from
  BW> the vertical.

And how owuld this initial imparting of energy carry the device over the 2
inclines?

*** Notice the interesting question by Mr. Silverman at the end. The
     proposition by Mr. Whatcott was done by me many, many years ago. 
And this
     is exactly what disproves that repulsion is not the initiating impetus.
     And Mr. Silverman's question is exactly what bothers me, in that I 
can say
     what it is, but it will not make scientists very happy. TOMI, the 
Theory
     of Magnetic Instability.
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Date: 1994-07-04,15:52
From: JUDY STEIN
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Harris device 1/2

  SH> I tried very hard to remove my finger in a "backward movement" to
  SH> avoid the impression it was being pushed.

Indeed, that's quite noticeable on the tape. Once you have the runner in
position, you lay your forefinger over the center of the runner, then 
release
it by drawing your finger back until it no longer contacts the runner, at
which point the runner immediately starts moving forward. It's clear your
finger is holding it back rather than pushing it forward.

*** Interesting only to head off beliefs I push the runner at the initial
     point of takeoff.
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Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
To: KEN STUCKAS
Subject: Harris device

  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the
  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
  KS> down hill.

Of course, the people standing around while the device is being operated and
moved around, since they appear to be standing straight up with respect 
to the
device, must have also modified the law of gravity. I don't think 
shifting the
device and camera will act to change the gravity vector.

  KS> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain
  KS> the the U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate
  KS> mail fraud.

As you probably don't recall, he said he didn't mail often since he didn't
want to take money, and it cost him moeny to make and send.

*** Even I do not have todefend against fraud, as those who have seen 
the tape
     will attest to my integrity.

*** What follows is a description of the NSA experiment I refer to.
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Date: 1994-07-04,15:56
From: JUDY STEIN
To: STEWART HARRIS
Subject: Harris device

  SH> I would love for you to give a comparably lucid description on the
  SH> NASA experiment which I included on that tape.

It shows a closeup view of what appear to be a series of drops of water
falling onto an inclined plane (about 10-15 degrees?), inclined from left to
right. The drops fall one by one from some kind of nozzle that's right above
the plane, close enough to it so the bottom of the drop touches the plane
before the top detaches from the nozzle.

The instant the bottom of the water drop touches the plane, it begins to 
move,
slowly as long as it's still attached to the nozzle, then with a burst of
speed when the top breaks free.

Then there is an edit in the film, and the camera has apparently moved
slightly to the right. We see a drop moving very slowly up the plane, then
suddenly going faster, then slower again. The nozzle is no longer in the
frame, but presumably it's *just* outside the left of the frame, so the
increase in speed is, again, what happens when the top of the drop 
breaks free
of the nozzle. But then after that initial acceleration, the drop slows down
again as it moves out of the frame to the right.

The drop looks a bit peculiar after it's left the nozzle; it looks like 
a lens
(like a football flattened longitudinally) rather than a water drop (in 
other
words, the bottom of the drop does not appear to lie flat on the plane 
but is
rather turned up at the ends, the side view making it look as though they're
pointed), but that must be a distortion of the camera view.

I can't tell how large the droplets are, so it's hard to say how fast the
drops are moving or how great a distance they travel. In the second 
shot, with
the nozzle out of the frame, it takes the drop about 7 seconds to move from
the left of the frame (it starts partially inside the frame) to the 
right and
disappear out of the frame. The motion, again, in this shot is 
slow-fast-slow.
The acceleration and period of top speed is only about a second.

I can't tell for sure, but it looks to me as though *just* as the drop is
disappearing out of the frame to the left, it speeds up again slightly.

If the drops are what I think of as "normal sized," i.e., what comes out 
of my
faucet when it's leaking drop by drop, I would guess the distance the 
drop in
the second camera shot traverses is maybe three-quarters of an inch or
slightly less.

'Zat what you wanted??

  SH> I am changing course and trying to get a local plastic company to make
  SH> the flapper. And I have a great idea for a toy: Look at the drawings
  SH> of the hamster wheel. Can you imagine a track on the outside rim of
  SH> the wheel, covered by decorations, with chairs suspended a la a ferris
  SH> wheel?

Sounds neat. I wish I had a kid to play with it!

  SH> Maybe even a large wheel using no input other than the "lifesavers." I
  SH> love that, Judy. It's the most clear but most amusing description I
  SH> have heard about this in 18 years.

I'm surprised nobody has come up with it so far; it seemed fairly obvious...
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From: JUDY STEIN
To: KEN STUCKAS
Subject: Harris device

  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I create
  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.

  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the
  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
  KS> down hill. Mind giving me the phone number of the commercial
  KS> photographers who made the video?

You didn't take the trouble to read any of the earlier posts describing the
device, including my detailed description, with diagrams, of what is seen in
the demo tape. Yet you're willing to accuse Stewart of possible fraud 
when you
don't even have a clear mental image of what it is we're talking about.

With the camera running, the box, which rests on a table, is shoved around
from one position to another so that the camera can film repetitions of the
action at all angles. To continuously adjust the tilt--not just of the 
box but
of the table, the walls of the room, and Stewart himself, much of whose body
is visible standing beside the table as he turns the box around and 
positions
the runner--to maintain the deceptive angle, you'd need a room-turning
mechanism far more elaborate and precise than that used to film Fred 
Astaire's
famous dance on the ceiling.

I don't know how you'd calibrate it even so, because the box is shoved 
around
the way you'd thrust a cereal box at your breakfast companion sitting across
the table from you. Stewart is not a dancer, and moreover he has a gross 
hand
tremor.  And the camera is hand-held, not steady at all.

  KS> yourself in the domain the the U.S. Postal Service which has the
  KS> authority to investigate mail fraud.

Ken, this is just off the wall. You just breezed in for one of your 
infrequent
visits, and you have no idea what has been said previously. Stewart doesn't
charge for the tapes. He's telling you he only sends out tapes when he can
afford to pay for them out of his own pocket. Earlier someone offered to
reimburse him for a copy, and he flatly refused. You want a copy, get on his
list to receive it free, but it seems there are a few folks ahead of you.

You owe him an abject apology. On several different counts.

  KS> same angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve
  KS> others, then that's fraud.

What if it's not going downhill?

*** Mr. Stuckas and many others worry about Mr. Silverman's question quite a
     bit. It is just this which makes me go on. Otherwise, I would not 
bother
     any longer.

  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.

  KS> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being
  KS> deliberately deceptive.

In the demo, it operates for two cycles (which is all the demo device has on
it). Stewart is referring to how many two-cycle runs it will do over time.
There are something like 15 or 20 on the demo tape.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: RON FREIMUTH
To: JUDY STEIN
Subject: Harris Device

  RF> Do you know what magnetic material is in the runner?

  JS> They're flat circular magnets with a hole in the middle,

  > strung on the runner's "axle" like a roll of Lifesavers. Stewart said
  > elsewhere these magnets are available at Radio-Shack. Looks like

Yeah, got that from Brian, too.

This means the runner can be attracted or repelled by other magnets. One
effect is that the hills can be effectively moved zerbelow o height, as 
far as
potential energy goes.

One needs put only enough energy into the system to overcome friction.

*** This post caused me to wonder what happened to overcoming the force of
     gravity going up the declines?
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Date: 1994-07-18,18:31
From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
To: RON FREIMUTH
Subject: Harris Device 1/2

  RF> OK, I wasn't aware the runner had magnets. Bet one has to supply work
  RF> to get it in position. The energy then runs the device through

Interesting: he said that if you approach the track at more than 45 degrees
from above, you don't see repulsion. I guess that maximum repulsion is felt
from 45 degrees low....

*** Here is the crux of the 'flapper.' There is no repulsive effect above 45
     degrees, not low. And the work supplied to get it into position is 
gravity
     at work. Then, since gravity is not a source of energy, and the magnets
     are doing all the work, there is no new input. If you consider 
gravity a
     source of energy, then COE is shoved out the window. It is a 
paradox which
     needs answering.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: JIM GOODMAN
To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
Subject: Maglev Devices

  BW> (Believe it or not, there are no known perpetual motion machines.
  BW> Sorry!)

shucks, you caught me stirring the pot. I don't believe that Stewart Harris
has designed a pmm either, but he may have found another force. I'm 
betting on
some magnetic like force. see the Newman device discussion.
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Date: 1994-07-22,09:51
From: JIM GOODMAN
To: JUDY STEIN
Subject: MAGLEV DEVICES

[Harris device]

  JS> I'm not really even all that clear on what the *problem* is with it.

tanstaafl:there ain't no such thing as a free lunch

this means that there is no perpetual motion machine. something has to power
it. I'm interested in finding out what (force) makes the device run.  Nobody
believes that a static magnet will make a mass speed up slightly,
indefinitely. a magnet will reduce friction (meglev), but not power 
anything.

Jim
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 1994-07-29,09:25
From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
To: JIM GOODMAN
Subject: Maglev Devices

  JG> following a magnetic track is simple. But both Harris and Newman have
  JG> reported the device operates indefinitely. It is a source of energy.
  JG> The

As far as I could see, Stewart NEVER claimed his machine operated
'indefinitely'.

My understanding is, he claimed

1) His machine operated 'repeatedly' over an extended period of years, 
with no
    loss of vigor over the one two or three 'hills' he arranged.

2) When arranged in a circle, his runner on rare occasions could reach and
    pass its starting point.

3) He hoped that by suitably transporting the runner back to its start
    position, he could make the action repetitive ( a surely forlorn 
hope...)

*** Notice the lament. It is catching. I really don't want to even 
present the
     evidence, since it will disrupt so many people from their lifetime
     beliefs. It is not worth it at all to create disruption. I was proud of
     this in one sense: no pollution and no possible harm to people. It does
     not seem that that is true any longer.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 1994-08-02,16:47
From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
To: JIM GOODMAN
Subject: Maglev Devices

  JG> crosses the surface. I guess that the surface did not enclose all of
  JG> the energy sources (sun) that the Harris device uses. Therefore the
  JG> system is open and all bets are off. One of the sources of energy from
  JG> the sun is a pumped magnetic field.

I postulate that the resistance that the runner encounters on 
approaching the
start of the track is the source of its motive power.

*** Another iteration of the standard objection. But the 'flapper' does not
     run the runner in a position where it ever encounters resistance or
     'repulsion.' Eliminating that is the purpose of the 'flapper.' Then 
what
     comes next. I only offer this as references for answer which will 
come if
     I put the 'flapper' into public view.

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-

I hope this has been of some help and will answer some of your questions 
as to
what it is and why I no longer go on any science echos.

The 'flapper' has existed. I make that clear. It was destroyed twice. 
Once in
cardboard version; once in Tinkertoy version. A new one is being built in
sturdy plastic, which should be able to resist the violent forces at work.

The increase in force is due to removing the wheels as explained in the
description of the demo, then placing the runner in an enclosed 
container, but
which allows it it move from one end to the other freely; and then bringing
the container closer to the tracks. Al this combines to increase the speed
geometrically, it seems, until it very hard to catch the movement of the
runner.

This is one source of the violence, when it climbs the incline of the seesaw
with the weight shifting from the low apex to the top. Of necessity, it must
be stopped and that meant it is locked in and hits the end of the container
every time it climbs of the incline. The acceleration is tremendous and it
hits that wall with quite a bit of force. It knocked the ends off my 
cardboard
model and simply shot out the tube/container.

Then there is the downward swing of the pendulum which brings the mass back
into the influence of the track without that famous passage through any
repulsion field or resistance field which is alleged to be the energy input.
When it does enter the track, try to envision a change in direction:

              \
             ___\

which is quite radical and necessitates the entire frame be very, very 
sturdy
and rigid. (It is ironic that the device is subject to such tremendous 
forces
which seem to be destructive, when at the same time scientists claim it is
losing so much energy that it will stop. If it stops, it will be because 
of a
buildup of force rather than a depletion, I believe.)

Well, this is it, the total of what I can get out. I hope it helps you. 
I have
asked my sysop to pick up I-UFO.
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On 2/18/2019 8:53 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>>
>> See:      ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
>> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hello, all:
>> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
>> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
>> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
>> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
>> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
>> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
>> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
>> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
>> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
>> vector in the proper direction.
>> ..
>> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
>> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
>> ..
>> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
>> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
>> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
>> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
>> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
>> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
>> ..
>> Help anyone?
>> ..
>> norm ( no, the other one )
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) Timedevice
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
>> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
>> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
>> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
>> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
>> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
>> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
>> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
>> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
>> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
>> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
>> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
>> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
>> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Refer 10917
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
>> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
>> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
>> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
>> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
>> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
>> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
>> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
>> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
>> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
>> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
>> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
>> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
>> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
>> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMI Plans
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>   
>> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
>> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
>> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
>> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
>> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
>> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>>   
>> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
>> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
>> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
>> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
>> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>>   
>> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
>> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
>> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
>> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
>> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>   
>> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>>   
>> second down ramp
>>   
>> N             S  second
>>                     up
>> S             N  ramp
>>           
>> first down ramp
>>   
>> N             S  first
>>                     up
>> S             N  ramp
>>   
>>       S N         runner
>>   
>> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
>> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
>> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
>> methods, please share the information.
>> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
>> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
>> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
>> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
>> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
>> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
>> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
>> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
>> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
>> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
>> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
>> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Glenda,
>>   
>> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
>> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
>> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
>> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
>> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
>> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
>> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
>> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>>   
>> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
>> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
>> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
>> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
>> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
>> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
>> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
>> the 3-space reality.
>>   
>> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
>> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
>> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
>> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
>> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: All aboard!!
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
>> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
>> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
>> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>>   
>> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
>> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
>> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
>> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
>> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
>> braking.
>>   
>> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
>> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
>> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
>> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
>> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>>   
>> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
>> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
>> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>   
>> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
>> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
>> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
>> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
>> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
>> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>>   
>> Joel
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
>> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>>                               --------------------
>> Joel,
>> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
>> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
>> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
>> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
>> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
>> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
>> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
>> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
>> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
>> found.   >> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert,
>>   
>> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
>> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
>> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
>> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
>> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
>> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>>   
>> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
>> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
>> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
>> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
>> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
>> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ======================================================================
>> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: Rollin'
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Joel,
>> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
>> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
>> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
>> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
>> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
>> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
>> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
>> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
>> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
>> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
>> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>>   > Message 11003
>>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>   
>>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>>   
>> [...]
>>   
>> ******************************** I offer:
>>   
>> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
>> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
>> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
>> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>>   
>> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
>> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
>> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
>> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
>> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>>   
>> [...]
>>   
>> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
>> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
>> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
>> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
>> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
>> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
>> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>>   
>> Best Regards,
>> Stewart Harris
>>   
>> Internet:[email protected]
>> Internet:[email protected]
>> Las Vegas - Home of High Rollers, Aliens and the Good Life
>>              and Continuous Motion!!
>> ... All things are difficult before they are easy.
>>   * TLX v4.00 *
>> --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#31)
>>   * Origin: Vegas PlayGround BBS * LV, NV * 24 Nodes * (1:209/276)
>>   
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>   
>> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
>> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
>> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
>> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
>> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
>> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
>> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
>> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
>> the Fibronacci series.
>>   
>> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
>> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
>> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
>> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
>> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
>> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
>> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
>> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>>   
>> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
>> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
>> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
>> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
>> zero point, and from here life begins.
>>   
>> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
>> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
>> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
>> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
>> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
>> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
>> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>>
>>
>> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: Riiiver
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert,
>>   
>> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
>> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
>> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
>> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
>> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
>> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
>> incline.
>>   
>> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
>> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
>> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
>> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>>   
>> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
>> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
>> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
>> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
>> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
>> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
>> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
>> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>>   
>> Clear as mud, right?
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>> with this one.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: (R) Rollin'
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
>> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
>> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
>> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
>> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
>> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
>> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
>> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
>> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
>> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
>> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
>> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
>> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
>> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
>> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
>> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
>> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
>> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
>> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
>> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
>> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
>> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
>> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
>> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
>> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
>> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Norm, you said:
>> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>>   
>> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
>> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>>   
>> THX,
>> -Gerald
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
>> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
>> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
>> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
>> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
>> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
>> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
>> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
>> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
>> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
>> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
>> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
>> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
>> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
>> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
>> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
>> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
>> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
>> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
>> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
>> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
>> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
>> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
>> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
>> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
>> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
>> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
>> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
>> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
>> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
>> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
>> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
>> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
>> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : BERT POOL
>> Subject: Dances With Cows
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> Howdy Bert,
>>   
>> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
>> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
>> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
>> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
>> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
>> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>>   
>> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
>> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
>> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
>> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
>> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
>> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
>> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>>   
>> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
>> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
>> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
>> nets would govern speed.
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> Joel,
>>   
>> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
>> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
>> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
>> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
>> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
>> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
>> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
>> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
>> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
>> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
>> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
>> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
>> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
>> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
>> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
>> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>> >> bert
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
>> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
>> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
>> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
>> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
>> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
>> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
>> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
>> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
>> circular!
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: TMIdevice
>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>
>> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
>> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
>> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
>> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
>> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
>> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
>> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
>> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
>> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
>> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
>> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>> Subject: TMI Device
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
>> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
>> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
>> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
>> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
>> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
>> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
>> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
>> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
>> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
>> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
>> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
>> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
>> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
>> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
>> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
>> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
>> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
>> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
>> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
>> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
>> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
>> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
>> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
>> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
>> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
>> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
>> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
>> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
>> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
>> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
>> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
>> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
>> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
>> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
>> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
>> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
>> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
>> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
>> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
>> created.   Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
>> >From   : BERT POOL
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMI or TOMI
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
>> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
>> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
>> old!
>>   
>> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
>> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
>> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
>> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
>> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
>> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
>> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
>> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
>> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
>> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
>> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
>> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
>> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
>> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
>> still run.
>>   
>> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
>> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>>   
>> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>>   
>> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>>   
>> Bert
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: Dances with PHI
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm,
>>   
>> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
>> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
>> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
>> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
>> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
>> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
>> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
>> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
>> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
>> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
>> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
>> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
>> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>>   
>> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
>> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
>> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
>> the inverse of PHI.
>>   
>> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
>> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
>> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
>> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>>   
>> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
>> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
>> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
>> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>>   
>> C'ya,
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
>> >From   : BILL BEATY
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>
>> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
>> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
>> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
>> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
>> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
>> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
>> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
>> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
>> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
>> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
>> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
>> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
>> .
>> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
>> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
>> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
>> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
>> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
>> water in a couple of minutes.
>> .
>> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
>> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
>> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
>> with the secret.
>> .
>> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
>> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
>> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
>> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
>> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>>
>> cc: Norman Wootan
>>      
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>>
>> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>> and you're welcome!
>>   
>> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
>> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>>   
>> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
>> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
>> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
>> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
>> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>>   
>> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
>> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
>> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
>> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
>> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
>> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
>> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
>> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
>> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>>   
>> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
>> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
>> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
>> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
>> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
>> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
>> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
>> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>>   
>> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Save the Greys
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
>> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
>> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
>> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
>> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
>> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
>> and ideals on these universal constants.
>>   
>> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
>> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
>> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
>> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
>> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
>> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
>> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>>   
>> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
>> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
>> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
>> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
>> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
>> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
>> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
>> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
>> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>>   
>> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
>> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
>> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
>> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
>> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
>> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
>> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
>> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>>   
>> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
>> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
>> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
>> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
>> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
>> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
>> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
>> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
>> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
>> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
>> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
>> day.
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
>> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
>> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
>> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
>> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
>> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
>> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
>> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
>> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
>> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
>> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
>> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
>> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
>> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
>> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
>> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
>> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
>> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
>> ===============================================================================
>> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
>> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
>> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
>> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
>> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>>   
>> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
>> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
>> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
>> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
>> the laser light is cancelled.
>>   
>> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
>> "classic" UFO.
>>   
>> Joel
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 1/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
>> By: Ian Wilson
>> To: All
>> Re: Universal Vision
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>    
>> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>>     
>> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
>> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
>> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
>> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
>> effect.
>>      
>> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
>> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
>> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
>> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>>       
>> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
>> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
>> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
>> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
>> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
>> timeless expressiveness.
>>        
>> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
>> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
>> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
>> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
>> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
>> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
>> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
>> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
>> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
>> that we form in our science.
>>         
>> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
>> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>>          
>>           
>>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>>           10   ³    ³  2
>>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>>          9³              ³ 3
>>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>>                  6
>>            
>> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
>> material state, it combines with other particles forming
>> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
>> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
>> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
>> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
>> molecular order.
>>   
>> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
>> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
>> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
>> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
>> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>>            2
>> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
>> light as energy.
>>    
>> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
>> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
>> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
>> representing.
>>     
>> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
>> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
>> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
>> creates a larger sub-particle.
>>      
>> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
>> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
>> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>>       
>>        
>>         
>>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>>        ³              ³    ³
>>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>>             ³    ³
>>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>>   
>> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
>> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
>> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
>> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
>> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
>> understand.
>>    
>> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
>> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
>> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
>> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
>> it's schools of particles and families.
>>     
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 2/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> The Universe as a Whole.
>>    
>> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
>> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
>> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
>> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
>> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
>> becomes.
>>     
>> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
>> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
>> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
>> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
>> is still energy.
>>      
>> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
>> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
>> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
>> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
>> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
>> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
>> (Intelligence).
>>       
>> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
>> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
>> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
>> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
>> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
>> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
>> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
>> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>>        
>> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
>> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
>> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
>> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
>> fields instead of matter fields.
>>         
>> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
>> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
>> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
>> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
>> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>>          
>> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
>> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
>> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
>> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
>> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
>> different frequencies.
>>           
>> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
>> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
>> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
>> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
>> gets really interesting.
>>   
>> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>>    
>> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
>> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
>> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
>> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
>> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>>     
>> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
>> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
>> self aware field of energy.
>>      
>> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
>> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
>> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
>> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
>> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
>> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>>       
>> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
>> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
>> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
>> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
>> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>>        
>> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
>> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
>> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
>> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>>         
>> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
>> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
>> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
>> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
>> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
>> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
>> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
>> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
>> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
>> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
>> understand the principles of this.
>>   
>> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
>> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
>> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
>> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
>> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
>> of cause and effect.
>>    
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: light universe 3/3
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>>   
>> Why thought as a creative energy?
>>    
>> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
>> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
>> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
>> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
>> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
>> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>>     
>> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
>> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
>> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
>> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
>> at the different feilds of frequency.
>>      
>> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
>> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
>> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
>> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
>> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
>> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
>> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
>> relationships.
>>       
>> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
>> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
>> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
>> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
>> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
>> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
>> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
>> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
>> very specific frequency.
>>        
>> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
>> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
>> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
>> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
>> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
>> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
>> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
>> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
>> at a very specific feild.
>>   
>> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
>> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
>> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
>> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
>> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
>> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
>> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
>> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
>> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
>> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
>> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
>> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
>> sensory experience with this energy system.
>>    
>> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>>     
>> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
>> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
>> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
>> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
>> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
>> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
>> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
>> hand.
>>      
>> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
>> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
>> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>>       
>> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
>> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
>> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
>> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
>> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
>> the first wheel being fashioned.
>>        
>> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
>> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
>> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
>> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
>> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
>> idea.
>>         
>> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
>> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
>> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
>> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
>> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
>> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
>> thought manifestation.
>>   
>>                          Till then,
>>                                   Ian Wilson
>>    
>> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
>> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
>> (604)-493-3455
>>     
>> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
>> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
>> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
>> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
>> is.
>>      
>> Ian Wilson
>>       
>>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: crystals
>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>
>> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> HI!
>> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
>> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
>> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
>> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
>> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
>> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
>> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
>> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
>> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
>> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
>> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
>> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
>> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
>> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
>> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
>> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
>> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
>> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
>> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
>> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
>> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
>> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
>> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
>> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
>> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
>> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
>> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
>> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
>> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
>> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
>> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
>> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
>> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
>> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
>> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
>> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
>> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
>> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
>> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
>> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
>> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
>> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
>> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
>> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
>> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
>> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
>> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
>> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
>> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
>> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
>> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
>> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
>> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
>> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
>> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
>> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
>> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
>> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
>> [...]
>> --- FMail 0.92
>>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
>> ===============================================================================
>> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
>> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
>> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
>> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
>> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
>> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
>> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
>> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
>> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
>> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
>> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
>> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
>> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
>> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
>> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
>> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
>> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
>> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
>> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
>> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
>> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
>> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
>> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
>> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
>> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
>> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
>> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
>> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
>> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
>> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
>> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>>
>>
>>
>> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
>> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
>> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
>> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
>> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
>> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
>> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
>> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
>> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
>> ...
>> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
>> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
>> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
>> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
>> magnets glued onto it.....
>> ...
>> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
>> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
>> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
>> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
>> ...
>> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
>> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
>> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
>> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
>> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
>> ...
>> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
>> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
>> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
>> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
>> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
>> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
>> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
>> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
>> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>>   JM>
>>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>   JM>
>>   [snip]
>>   JM>
>>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
>> result
>>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
>> of
>>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
>> them
>>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
>> side
>>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>   |
>>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>>   |
>>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>>   |
>>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>>   |
>>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>>   | corrugated cardboard.
>>   |
>>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>>   |
>>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>>   |
>>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>>   | **Wow**!"
>>   |
>>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>>   |
>>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>>   |
>>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>>   |
>>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>>   |
>>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>>   |
>>   |
>>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>>   | of turns on the coils...
>>   |
>>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>>   |
>>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>>   | Powell.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>>   |
>>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>>   |
>>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>>   | these laying around?
>>   |
>>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>>   |
>>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>>   |
>> ===============================================================================
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>> To     : ALL
>> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>
>> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
>> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
>> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
>> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
>> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
>> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
>> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
>> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
>> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
>> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
>> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
>> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
>> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
>> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
>> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
>> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
>> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
>> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
>> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
>> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
>> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
>> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
>> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
>> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
>> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
>> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
>> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
>> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
>> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
>> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
>> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
>> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
>> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
>> ===============================================================================
>>
>> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>>
>> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Norm,
>>>
>>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog will 
>>> warp"
>>>
>>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>>> individual rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>>
>>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>>> molecular alignment.
>>>
>>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was perpendicular 
>>> again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo 
>>> electric mode...
>>>
>>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency 
>>> to visible light...
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>>> to the Net during the course of the day. Since Joel works out of his
>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers. After I got back home I ran
>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>> >
>>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our findings
>>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is going on
>>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by believing
>>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and 
>>>> I have
>>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit 
>>>> with a
>>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny bubbles in
>>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong 
>>>> magnetic
>>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our 
>>>> research fro
>>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump unit
>>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Norm
>>>> > 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>> >>      To: All
>>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>> >> Lines: 139
>>>> >> [
>>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>> >> [
>>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, 
>>>> which
>>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end 
>>>> of the
>>>> >> day:
>>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* that has
>>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted 
>>>> material to
>>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that and 
>>>> this
>>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say it is
>>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as 
>>>> Griggs
>>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his work
>>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with only
>>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>>> building one
>>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially 
>>>> reduce
>>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>>> accepted
>>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>>> forth his
>>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>>> nuclear
>>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly equipment. 
>>>> He is
>>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in this
>>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent attorneys, he
>>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic 
>>>> Battery,"
>>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary Science"
>>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in 
>>>> places like
>>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the Tesla
>>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific 
>>>> article
>>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete 
>>>> experimental
>>>> >> results.
>>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this area of
>>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy)  was shown. This had aired on 
>>>> FUJI TV
>>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong patent
>>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a paper
>>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth 
>>>> International
>>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 
>>>> 9-13,
>>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several working
>>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have been
>>>> >> seen.
>>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally videotaped. A
>>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>>> version
>>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, 
>>>> working
>>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>>> schedule
>>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are available..
>>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>> >> Technology.
>>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events 
>>>> at MIT
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>>> university. The
>>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received numerous
>>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>>> Update,
>>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>>> Technology to
>>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>>> **reliable**
>>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>> >> finalized).
>>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing a 
>>>> paper
>>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no 
>>>> longer
>>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>>> repeated
>>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program (1/20/95)
>>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>>> "Science
>>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene Mallove of
>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and 
>>>> Professor
>>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what they
>>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that 
>>>> did not
>>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>> >> Washington.
>>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>>> >> 
>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>

This document by Joel McClain is key to your research and certainly 
helped us reason out our projects.

. 
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   THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RESONANCE AND PHI, AS DETERMINED BY
   THE FIBONACCI SERIES OF NUMERALS

   Joel McClain
   April 26, 1994

   Because the symbol PI is indeterminate, the Egyptians used PHI in 
building
   the pyramids.  They did this so that they could "square the circle", and
   create a square base which contained the same area as a circle.

   PHI simplifies the math required to square the circle, and is 
expressed as
   a constant of 1.618.  This has come to be known as the Golden Ratio.  To
   learn more about the Golden Ratio, please refer to the book "Secrets 
of the
   Great Pyramid", by Peter Tompkins.

   For the purpose of this paper, it is sufficient to know that this 
ratio can
   be very helpful in determining the true value in Hertz of notes on the
   diatonic scale.  The standardized (1939) frequencies were accepted based
   upon the sound preferences, as opposed to the PI or PHI relationship 
of the
   notes.

   In  a  previous  paper,  I  extrapolated  the  harmonics  of standardized
   frequencies, proving the validity of Brown's Constant for determining
   harmonic values.  However, this did not take into account the PHI 
constant
   from the Fibonacci Series, which gives us a more natural starting point.

   Further, there exists a correlation with the Fibonacci Series, which also
   produces PHI, and which can be used for reference.  A Fibonacci 
Series is a
   list of numbers, where each number is equal to the sum of the two 
previous
   numbers.  For example, 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 is one such series.

   If you divide a number by the previous number, such as 55/34, you get
   1.618, the Golden Ratio.  As the numbers increase in value, the ratio 
gets
   closer to PHI.

   We know from previous study that a note has its first harmonic at the
   frequency of the note times the cube root of PI, which we have named
   "Brown's Constant".  The numeric value of this is 1.3313.

   Let's see how we can combine this with the Golden Ratio and with the
   Fibonacci Series to create a diatonic scale that is based upon nature's
   laws, as opposed to men's ears:

   Start with the Fibonacci string of 144-233-377, and let's assign the 
value
   of 233 to the C note and you get,

   WHOLE   FREQ    RATIO TO PHI                    HARMONIC @ FREQ
   NOTE                                            TIMES BROWN'S CONSTANT

   C       233     PHI @ 377/233                   310 (F)
   D       263     CD RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          350 (G)
   F       310     DF RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        413 (A)

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   G       350     FG RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          466 (C)
   A       413     GA RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        550 (D)
   C       466     AC RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          620 (F)

   Now, we have frequencies which are balanced relative to each other, 
as well
   as based upon natural resonance.  To check your answers, relative to PI,
   consider that PI = 4 DIVIDED BY THE SQUARE ROOT OF PHI, so PI = 
4/1.272 or
   3.1447, based upon the 377/233 ratio

   As with Brown's Constant, the numbers can vary, as long as the 
proportions
   are held constant.  In other words, if you start your scale with a 
value of
   377 instead of 233, and observe the same ratios, your chart will be as
   viable as anyone else's.

   Interestingly, the Fibonacci Series was understood by the Egyptians, and
   has been mentioned as a means for deriving "Magic Squares", once again,
   based upon the PHI ratio and relationship.

   I would encourage researchers to learn more about PHI, and to use it for
   resonance based designs, and to use the frequencies thus derived in their
   experiments.

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> Decker. (RIP)
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> I spoke with Mr. Harris around 5PM today and he says he applied for a 
> patent
> on this device back in 1978 and it was rejected.  A Dr. Marion Bowman from
> Washington travelled out to Mr. Harris' home to witness the operation 
> of the
> device.  He was amazed and returned to Washington enthusiastic about its
> applications.  Shortly after this demonstration, all copies of the patent
> application and other information subsequently disappeared from the 
> Washington
> Patent Office.  In addition, Mr. Stewart's home was broken into and his
> original drawings, papers, applications and correspondence was stolen.
>
> Mr. Harris is disabled and has health problems which prevent him from 
> actively
> researching the device himself.  He tells me he built this thing in one
> session as if it were inspired by some outside influence.  As noted in the
> following document, the 'flapper' resulted from a dream that helped 
> him solve
> a perplexing problem with the device.  Stewart said the unit provides
> tremendous force and he had to use the tinker toy wheels TO SLOW IT 
> DOWN.  He
> has not yet placed it in a rotating wheel or rotary track though he has no
> doubt it will drive a wheel or magnet.
>
> I informed Stewart of John Searls' rotating magnets and his use of a 
> circular
> track with a cylindrical magnet placed horizontally on the track, 
> wherein it
> would start moving around the track on its own.  This is the very 
> basis of the
> Searl flying machine.  The same principle is used in the Hummel flying 
> disk,
> the Howard Johnson patent, the Troy Reed invention, the Gary magnetic 
> motor
> and several others.  So, there is AMPLE GROUND for the claims of Mr. 
> Stewart
> despite all the flames from those who live to create negative mischief.
>
> We here at KeelyNet will definitely experiment with the phenomenon and 
> report
> not only to Mr. Harris as per our discussion, but also to KeelyNet and our
> many other associates and networkers.  If you choose to experiment 
> with this
> or a version of it, please share your results with us and with the 
> inventor as
> he has so kindly shared his work with us.......Thank you!........>>>  
> Jerry
>
>             Also, I'd like to thank Glenda Stocks for sharing this
>          fascinating file with the KeelyNet group and our associates!!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Theory of Magnetic Instability
> A device by Stewart Harris
>
> Origin: XBN - 0004 - F:NSHIFTCP
>   From: STEWART HARRIS
>     To: GLENDA STOCKS
>   Date: 01/04/95 at 19:10
>     Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > Glenda:
>
>  > I have used this in the hopes I will not be out of line with regard to
>  > crossposting information you expressed interest in with regard to my
>  > device.
>
>  > What follows is postings on the device by others on RIME, Science. I
>  > will put the headings on once, and then state who is posting for some
>  > form of brevity.
>
>  > I must congratulate Judy Stein from New York as being both an observant
>  > writer but quite good in describing what she received from me. I have a
>  > videotape of my device in action, following by a video of the CNN 
> report
>  > I refer to wherein it shows NASA attempting to move a drop of water 
> up a
>  > single incline, and without success, it moving only halfway. I know why
>  > it will not proceed further.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > Conference: 28,SCIENCE
>  > Date: 1994-06-22,14:36
>  > From: JUDY STEIN
>  > To: JIM GOODMAN
>  > Subject: Harris device 1/2
>
>  > Let me use the terms "incline" and "decline" to refer to the two sides
>  > of each of the two peaks in the demo box, the terms referring to what
>  > the runner is doing when it traverses them (see diagrams).
>
>  > The runner has the general shape of a barbell. Two Tinkertoy 
> wheels, one
>  > on either end, are the bells. Something that resembles a roll of
>  > Lifesavers strung on a rod forms the bar between the wheels--the
>  > Lifesavers, I gather, are circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>  > I'd guess about a quarter of an inch thick and an inch in diameter, and
>  > there are eight or 10 of them strung on the rod. The Tinkertoy wheels
>  > are about an inch and a half in diameter. The runner looks as though
>  > it's about six inches long, total.
>
>  > Cross section view
>
>      runner starts here
>          \|/
>           |
>         | |     /\            /\             |
>         | |   /    \        /    \           |
>         | | /        \    /        \         |
>         | /            \/            \       |
>         |-------------------------------     |
>         |                                    |
>         |                                  <--------- runner ends up here
>         |____________________________________|
>
>  > The angles of incline and decline are considerably exaggerated in the
>  > diagram. It looks to me as though the declines are shorter and more
>  > steeply angled than the inclines; the inclines seem to be about 2.5"
>  > long and at 25 degrees, while the declines are more like 1" long and
>  > about 45 degrees (rough estimate). The height of the triangle looks 
> like
>  > about 3/4" or so.
>
>  > On either side of the track are two additional rolls of these circular
>  > magnets (four in all), the rolls being at right angles to the 
> magnets on
>  > the runner. Each of the two rolls of magnets on either side is set 
> at an
>  > angle to match the angle of the inclines.
>
> Top view
>
>            |<--track-->|
>      ____________|____________
>      |  ___|     |      |___  |
>      | |___|  (start)   |___| |
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|  incline   |___| <---------roll of magnets, positioned at
>      | |___|            |___| |         the same angle as the slope of
>      | |___|            |___| |         the incline
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|____________|___| |
>      |     |            |     |
>      |     |   decline  |   <-----------no magnets here, but not as much
>      |     |            |     |         space between the rolls as I've
>      |  ___|____________|___  |         shown
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|  incline   |___| |
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|            |___| |
>      | |___|____________|___| |
>      |     |            |     |
>      |     |   decline  |     |
>      |     |            |     |
>      |     |____________|     |
>      |        (finish)        |
>      |________________________|
>
>  > The runner is positioned by hand at the bottom of the first incline 
> (top
>  > of the top-view diagram). When it is released, it moves rapidly up the
>  > first incline, down the first decline, up the second incline, and down
>  > the second decline. When it reaches the bottom of the second 
> decline, it
>  > simply falls down into the lower level of the box (bottom of the
>  > top-view diagram).
>
>  > It's clear the runner is *released*, not given a push. It has to be
>  > aligned correctly. My guess is the person aligning it feels a pressure
>  > of the runner against his fingers when it's properly aligned. In the
>  > demo, the person aligns it and then simply lays his finger on the 
> rod to
>  > keep it from moving, then removes his finger, and the runner starts to
>  > move immediately.
>
>  > These diagrams are very crude. The demo itself is extremely crude--as
>  > Stewart has said, it's a cardboard box with a lot of Scotch tape 
> holding
>  > things together.
>
> Stewart, you are right, she has done an excellent job of describing 
> it, and
> the diagrams are good also.  I will share this with the Keelynet BBS, 
> as they
> are usually interested in devices like yours.  If I get any feedback from
> anyone, I will share it with you on the conferences.  I will reproduce the
> remainder of your file here for the I_UFO conference (where we discuss 
> UFO's
> and New Science) and for other areas where I will share this information.
> Let's hope that we will get feedback from other sources that will help 
> us all
> to understand the force(s) at work here.  :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Following is a sample of Mr. Ken Stuckas accusing me of a hoax, and
> eventually, fraud.
>
> This is part of what keeps me from doing a great deal with this.
>
> With no evidence of ill will on my part, Mr. Stuckas, a credentialed 
> scientist
> on several Science echos, simply attacks me out of, what, pique or with a
> sense to destroy me. I intend to find out more about this later in a
> courtroom, but for now it is simply interesting to note.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
> From: KEN STUCKAS
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Harris device", Stewart Harris mumbled:
>
>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I create
>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>
> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the 
> device
> is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going down 
> hill. Mind
> giving me the phone number of the commercial photographers who made 
> the video?
>
> ***I supplied this for him, but he never called.
>
>  SH> As for sending a tape, being poor, unwilling to change that situation
>  SH> by effort and disability, I am limited to sort of one tape a month,
>  SH> (Cost about $15. Can't infringe on Helen's bingo money.) I am afraid
>  SH> latecome and hostiles will have to wait a very, very long time.
>
> Oh, you aren't willing to make money off someone who understands 
> science, huh?
> You confuse skeptical criticism with hostility. How interesting. I 
> don't think
> it's ethical to use this echo to advertise a product, let alone one that
> claims to violate the well-known and accepted laws of conservation of 
> energy.
> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain 
> the the
> U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate mail fraud.
>
> *** For the life of me I could not see how he translated an explanation of
>     my poverty into a refusal to make money from him. And to do you 
> see any
>     effort at advertising? It was a science echo. And I have never 
> made the
>     claims he states; scientists have stated if my device worked it 
> would do
>     that. But that is not what I say because I don't even have the 
> knowledge
>     to know it in the first place.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
> From: KEN STUCKAS
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Temporary energy stor 2/3
>
>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 2/3", Stewart
>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>
>  SH> So my first premise, that permanent magnets are a source of energy or
>  SH> force, is correct according to what I read here. Yet you say 
> permanent
>  SH> magnets are not a source of energy. You seem to be supporting this by
>  SH> saying that my device is doing no work, therefore no energy or force
>  SH> is exerted.
>
>  SH> I am saying I cannot understand how a weight can be lifted to a 
> height
>  SH> without work or force being done and without any energy input.
>
> Replace your magnets with springs and you will see the problem. A 
> compressed
> spring has potential energy. I had to do work on the spring to load it 
> with
> the potential energy. That work came from an outside source. Once the 
> spring
> does work on some other system, I have to compress it again to get it do
> repeat that work.
>
> A magnet and an iron bar separated by a distance possess potential 
> energy just
> as a coiled spring does. Once they come in contact with one another or 
> just
> get closer to one another I have to do work on them to separate them.
>
> *** As you can see from the drawings by Judy Stein, there is no 
> 'contact with
>     one another' and you will notice that the runner is close to the 
> magnets,
>     separated by wooden wheels, and they are never at any point along the
>     route up and down the inclines in a position where they have to be
>     'separated.' This is the common objection, the 'lines run 
> perpendicular
>     and result in only attraction/repulsion' approach of current 
> science. I am
>     demonstrating that the mass is moved parallel to the lines of 
> force, there
>     is no magnetic lock, and, therefore, no need for that 'extra work' to
>     'separate and reset' the magnets or springs.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: KEN STUCKAS
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Temporary energy stor 3/3
>
>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 3/3", Stewart
>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>
>  SH> Now as far as a weight being at a height, I seriously doubt there is
>  SH> even a bad engineer or cannot work out some way to put that weight to
>  SH> good use. Yet as I understand what I am being told, either I 
> cannot do
>  SH> what I say and I am lying, or lifting a mass to a height is not 
> useful
>  SH> and cannot have any benefit to mankind.
>
> How did that weight get to that height? You had to do work on it to get it
> there, right? When the weight has fallen and, in the process, done work on
> some system then I need to do work on the weight to lift it back up to 
> that
> height.
>
> You cannot violate the law of conservation of energy here in the world of
> classical mechanics. I will absolutely guarantee you that in the 
> device you
> are demonstrating, the total potential energy plus the total kinetic 
> energy
> at the beginning is greater than the totals of those values at the 
> end. You
> have lost some small amount of energy through the heat of frictionand
> aerodynamic drag.
>
> If the video you made seems to violate these principles then you have 
> tilted
> the device at such an angle so that the device operates by going down 
> hill and
> if you have deliberately and knowingly tilted the video camera at the same
> angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve 
> others, then
> that's fraud.
>
> *** Again, since it cannot be true because it would violate his laws of
>     physics, I must, then, be hoaxing the situation. This is also 
> common in
>     all rebuttals to new science or ufo technology. He says that if 
> the video
>     shows the mass as going up, then it must be going down because I 
> had the
>     photographer tilt it, making it appear level, and that is fraud. 
> He later
>     denies this.
>
>  SH> What is my goal? One is not scientific and not applicable in this
>  SH> echo. The other, and the reason I got into this with you and others,
>  SH> is to see if there is some way to explain what is being done without
>  SH> running into the initial blocks I came across some 18 years ago;
>  SH> namely, objection to the device because it will violate some physical
>  SH> laws.
>
> Your only out is to appeal to those who believe in pseudoscience by 
> claiming
> the effect to lie in the domain of quantum electrodynamics. In that case I
> refer you to Chapter 12 of the recent book by Murray Gell-Mann, the 
> 1969 Nobel
> laureate in physics "The Quark and the Jaguar." Chapter 12 is called 
> "Quantum
> Mechanics and Flapdoodle," which points out the errors of just about
> everything that Judy Stein believes in.
>
>  SH> You and others put your fingers on what I consider to be a way out,
>  SH> and I am only exploring that possibility now with what I propose to
>  SH> build.
>
>  SH> If my flapper is successful, and I see no reason for it not to
>  SH> succeed, then I believe that the downward, pendulum-like swing which
>  SH> will bring the mass back into the track is a source of energy drawn
>  SH> upon from outside the system, which would be perfectly normal and
>  SH> would violate no laws.
>
> Your intuition is apparently unaffected by scientific understanding.
>
>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>
> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being deliberately
> deceptive.
>
> *** Here, since I did complete the 'flapper' since this dialogue, it 
> has gone
>     more than one cycle, so I guess I am being deliberately deceptive. 
> Now you
>     see why I have no real wish to go further and show this to the world.
>     Ken Stuckas is simply a clone for all the scientists who have 
> ragged me
>     for 19 years now. It is not worth it.
>
> *** Judy Stein rebuts some of the accusations of this being rigged, a 
> hoax, an
>     optical illusion, a fraud.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-06-30,17:19
> From: JUDY STEIN
> To: ERIK FRANCIS
> Subject: HARRIS DEVICE
>
>  EF>> Whether his device actually produces any "net work," I'm not
>  EF>> qualified to say. But I'm cracking up at your "optical illusion"
>  EF>> description. You'd have to actually see the demo to realize how
>  EF>> hilarious that is.
>
>  EF> Keep in mind that unless one has direct three-dimensional access to a
>  EF> device, optical illusions and tricks are always possible (or, rather,
>  EF> much easier!). Not that this is the case; but it is always important
>  EF> to realize that it might be.
>
> *** Mr. Francis is far more rational and polite, but there is the 
> underlying
>     inference that it could be something which one is not really 
> saying. This
>     is why I stopped sending out the tapes. Just more of a hoax, much 
> as UFO
>     tapes are hoaxes.
>
> I understand; this is certainly the case in theory. But I think if you 
> were to
> see the demo you'd realize why I said what I did.
>
> (Not that this addresses your objection, and it isn't what I'm 
> referring to,
> but on the demo tape the apparatus is shoved around by hand (with the 
> camera
> running) so you see it doing its thing from all angles, several 
> complete runs
> from each angle. There are also closeups, with the camera right on top 
> of the
> apparatus.)
>
> I don't quite know how to say this without sounding like I'm 
> deprecating the
> device, but it's really a rattletrap thing, like what a kid would throw
> together. It wouldn't get any prizes at a high school science fair, 
> it's too
> messy, too crude. The *diagram* I posted here is more precise than the 
> device.
> I made neater dollhouses out of shirt cardboards when I was 10.
>
> *** Ms. Stein was right in one sense. It would not win a prize in a high
>     school science fair. However, I must add that the son of a friend 
> in Las
>     Vegas, who has been to the house many times and played with the 
> device,
>     built a more suitable duplicate (Another reproduction I forgot to 
> add to
>     that of the two gentlemen in Fido Science), and he won his high school
>     science fair, and was second in the State Science Fair here in Nevada.
>     That young man was Michael Wood, Son of Dennis Wood who posts on 
> several
>     fido echos.
>
> It is really barking up the wrong tree to suggest Stewart is trying to 
> pull a
> fast one with this thing. I don't have any idea whether it's 
> significant or
> not, but it is whatever it is and not something pretending to be something
> else.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-02,01:02
> From: JIM HARFORD
> To: RON FREIMUTH
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  . RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system 
> with a .
>  . RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard 
> to .
>  . RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point. .
>
> It would be hard to explain only if the potential energy (energy of 
> position)
> of the mass was entirely gravitational. Then potential energy would be 
> exactly
> proportional to height. But since part of the potential energy of the 
> mass is
> due to the magnetic field that simple relationship is destroyed and 
> one can no
> longer visually determine whether what Judy saw is something ordinary or
> something extraordinary.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-02,21:02
> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
> To: RON FREIMUTH
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>
> This is correct. This is what I have seen as well.
>
>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is exactly at
>  RF> the initial height?
>
> The exit point appears to be at the same height as the entrance point.
> However, the device unfortunately terminates PRECISELY at the end of the
> second hill, and it becomes difficult to judge how far and whether the 
> roller
> would have continued for any distance after the end of the device.  At 
> the end
> of the device, the roller literally falls off the device onto the 
> floor or a
> waiting hand.
>
> *** This lack of movement at the end is strictly a matter of design. The
>     duplicates made by other gentlemen do proceed far beyond the end, and
>     there is even comment on this point as being one of the problems that
>     science faces in explaining this, as is alluded to in the above 
> comments.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-02,18:37
> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> To: RON FREIMUTH
> Subject: Harris Device
>
>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>
>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is exactly at
>  RF> the initial height?
>
> I can say, sight unseen, the runner could have appreciable velocity if it
> exited HIGHER.
>
> You wouldn't be surprized if a wad of paper could shoot higher from an 
> elastic
> band, surely? Remember, if there's initial repulsion before the runner is
> placed on the track, that's potential energy for the acceleration phase!
>
> *** This is the general objection to the continuous motion aspect of this
>     device. The 'flapper' is designed to demostrate that this 
> shortcuts the
>     repulsion aspect of the Theory of Magnetic Instability I have put
>     together; and this shows that the mass or runner can actually 
> start from
>     scratch without the impetus of any passage through a repulsion phase.
>
> I realize the PE is a function of height and distance from the magnets.
>
> Now, I don't know how those disk magnets are stacked. All in the same
> direction? If the moving mass were magnetized one could stack the 
> magnets to
> first attract, then repel. Equivalent approximately to a parabolic gravity
> well. A mass would accelerate to the bottom, then *nearly* reach the 
> top at
> the other side.
>
> *** Notice "nearly". Yet my runner does not nearly reach the upper 
> apex, it
>     is accelerating at that point. Accelerating, so it is gaining 
> momentum.
>
> Add another force, gravity, and one can distort the well by adjusting the
> curve of the track.
>
> *** Here is one of my problems with this whole affair. Is gravity an 
> energy
>     input or a force which is never consumed. If the latter, then COE 
> does not
>     apply at all. Is any gravity used up when all objects fall. When a 
> plane
>     flies, is gravity an input or a force. Thrust is required to overcome
>     gravity. I wonder why, when my mass is moved uphill against 
> gravity, no
>     work is being done similar to the thrust of an airplane engine. So 
> what is
>     the engine? It must be the magnets. But my magnets still work the 
> same as
>     they did 19 years ago.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>
>  SH> Never thought that, and it would not matter! You have not called me a
>  SH> fool, at least. Perhaps that is because neither of us is an expert.
>  SH> Only an expert can tell you the runner does not do what you see. I am
>  SH> used to it.
>
> I have seen the videotape, and I see it does what you are saying.
>
> I would, however, like to know how the magnets are arranged along the 
> track.
> For, having seen the device, I am sure I can buy a bunch of magnets and
> construct a similar device. Perhaps even make one that is a bit better in
> terms of efficiency and arrange so that the output of one such device 
> leads
> into the input of the other, and then repeat the output of the latter 
> into the
> input of the first. A closed loop.
>
> For, science requires repeatability, and if you can get someone else 
> to repeat
> what you have done, independently, then that shows something.
>
> *** The same argument made by gentlemen on Fido Science. And it was 
> reproduced
>     and the exact same suggestions were made with regard to putting it 
> into a
>     closed loop. That is what the new dream "from my aliens" showed me 
> how to
>     do with a great deal less expense than my own ideas. I have not 
> pursued
>     this with Mr. Silverman because I had given up by then. It was the new
>     dream about the 'flapper' which brought me bck to life.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>
>  BW> Stewart, I believe you have given a moderate and up front account of
>  BW> your interesting machine.
>
>  BW> You have never claimed perpetual motion for it, nor even long
>  BW> continued action.
>
> But because a closed loop could be constructed by joining output and 
> inputs of
> 2 such devices, it certainly implies it.
>
>  BW> I believe I understand the operating principle of your device: I
>  BW> believe you provide energy in placing the runner into its
>  BW> energetically favorable starting position.
>
>  BW> You can easily test for this initial repulsion that must be overcome.
>  BW> You probably cannot even FEEL the force you are providing - a basis
>  BW> for your puzzlement, I'm sure.
>
>  BW> But if you will suspend the runner on two long threads of cotton, say
>  BW> 24 inches long each, and GRADUALLY approach the runner to its 
> starting
>  BW> position on the track, you will find that the runner pushes back from
>  BW> its starting position, until it gets quite close, then it starts to
>  BW> pull forward. You will see the cotton suspension leans a little from
>  BW> the vertical.
>
> And how owuld this initial imparting of energy carry the device over the 2
> inclines?
>
> *** Notice the interesting question by Mr. Silverman at the end. The
>     proposition by Mr. Whatcott was done by me many, many years ago. 
> And this
>     is exactly what disproves that repulsion is not the initiating 
> impetus.
>     And Mr. Silverman's question is exactly what bothers me, in that I 
> can say
>     what it is, but it will not make scientists very happy. TOMI, the 
> Theory
>     of Magnetic Instability.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-04,15:52
> From: JUDY STEIN
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>
>  SH> I tried very hard to remove my finger in a "backward movement" to
>  SH> avoid the impression it was being pushed.
>
> Indeed, that's quite noticeable on the tape. Once you have the runner in
> position, you lay your forefinger over the center of the runner, then 
> release
> it by drawing your finger back until it no longer contacts the runner, at
> which point the runner immediately starts moving forward. It's clear your
> finger is holding it back rather than pushing it forward.
>
> *** Interesting only to head off beliefs I push the runner at the initial
>     point of takeoff.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
> To: KEN STUCKAS
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the
>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>  KS> down hill.
>
> Of course, the people standing around while the device is being 
> operated and
> moved around, since they appear to be standing straight up with 
> respect to the
> device, must have also modified the law of gravity. I don't think 
> shifting the
> device and camera will act to change the gravity vector.
>
>  KS> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain
>  KS> the the U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate
>  KS> mail fraud.
>
> As you probably don't recall, he said he didn't mail often since he didn't
> want to take money, and it cost him moeny to make and send.
>
> *** Even I do not have todefend against fraud, as those who have seen 
> the tape
>     will attest to my integrity.
>
> *** What follows is a description of the NSA experiment I refer to.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-04,15:56
> From: JUDY STEIN
> To: STEWART HARRIS
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  SH> I would love for you to give a comparably lucid description on the
>  SH> NASA experiment which I included on that tape.
>
> It shows a closeup view of what appear to be a series of drops of water
> falling onto an inclined plane (about 10-15 degrees?), inclined from 
> left to
> right. The drops fall one by one from some kind of nozzle that's right 
> above
> the plane, close enough to it so the bottom of the drop touches the plane
> before the top detaches from the nozzle.
>
> The instant the bottom of the water drop touches the plane, it begins 
> to move,
> slowly as long as it's still attached to the nozzle, then with a burst of
> speed when the top breaks free.
>
> Then there is an edit in the film, and the camera has apparently moved
> slightly to the right. We see a drop moving very slowly up the plane, then
> suddenly going faster, then slower again. The nozzle is no longer in the
> frame, but presumably it's *just* outside the left of the frame, so the
> increase in speed is, again, what happens when the top of the drop 
> breaks free
> of the nozzle. But then after that initial acceleration, the drop 
> slows down
> again as it moves out of the frame to the right.
>
> The drop looks a bit peculiar after it's left the nozzle; it looks 
> like a lens
> (like a football flattened longitudinally) rather than a water drop 
> (in other
> words, the bottom of the drop does not appear to lie flat on the plane 
> but is
> rather turned up at the ends, the side view making it look as though 
> they're
> pointed), but that must be a distortion of the camera view.
>
> I can't tell how large the droplets are, so it's hard to say how fast the
> drops are moving or how great a distance they travel. In the second 
> shot, with
> the nozzle out of the frame, it takes the drop about 7 seconds to move 
> from
> the left of the frame (it starts partially inside the frame) to the 
> right and
> disappear out of the frame. The motion, again, in this shot is 
> slow-fast-slow.
> The acceleration and period of top speed is only about a second.
>
> I can't tell for sure, but it looks to me as though *just* as the drop is
> disappearing out of the frame to the left, it speeds up again slightly.
>
> If the drops are what I think of as "normal sized," i.e., what comes 
> out of my
> faucet when it's leaking drop by drop, I would guess the distance the 
> drop in
> the second camera shot traverses is maybe three-quarters of an inch or
> slightly less.
>
> 'Zat what you wanted??
>
>  SH> I am changing course and trying to get a local plastic company to 
> make
>  SH> the flapper. And I have a great idea for a toy: Look at the drawings
>  SH> of the hamster wheel. Can you imagine a track on the outside rim of
>  SH> the wheel, covered by decorations, with chairs suspended a la a 
> ferris
>  SH> wheel?
>
> Sounds neat. I wish I had a kid to play with it!
>
>  SH> Maybe even a large wheel using no input other than the 
> "lifesavers." I
>  SH> love that, Judy. It's the most clear but most amusing description I
>  SH> have heard about this in 18 years.
>
> I'm surprised nobody has come up with it so far; it seemed fairly 
> obvious...
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: JUDY STEIN
> To: KEN STUCKAS
> Subject: Harris device
>
>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I create
>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>
>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the
>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>  KS> down hill. Mind giving me the phone number of the commercial
>  KS> photographers who made the video?
>
> You didn't take the trouble to read any of the earlier posts 
> describing the
> device, including my detailed description, with diagrams, of what is 
> seen in
> the demo tape. Yet you're willing to accuse Stewart of possible fraud 
> when you
> don't even have a clear mental image of what it is we're talking about.
>
> With the camera running, the box, which rests on a table, is shoved around
> from one position to another so that the camera can film repetitions 
> of the
> action at all angles. To continuously adjust the tilt--not just of the 
> box but
> of the table, the walls of the room, and Stewart himself, much of 
> whose body
> is visible standing beside the table as he turns the box around and 
> positions
> the runner--to maintain the deceptive angle, you'd need a room-turning
> mechanism far more elaborate and precise than that used to film Fred 
> Astaire's
> famous dance on the ceiling.
>
> I don't know how you'd calibrate it even so, because the box is shoved 
> around
> the way you'd thrust a cereal box at your breakfast companion sitting 
> across
> the table from you. Stewart is not a dancer, and moreover he has a 
> gross hand
> tremor.  And the camera is hand-held, not steady at all.
>
>  KS> yourself in the domain the the U.S. Postal Service which has the
>  KS> authority to investigate mail fraud.
>
> Ken, this is just off the wall. You just breezed in for one of your 
> infrequent
> visits, and you have no idea what has been said previously. Stewart 
> doesn't
> charge for the tapes. He's telling you he only sends out tapes when he can
> afford to pay for them out of his own pocket. Earlier someone offered to
> reimburse him for a copy, and he flatly refused. You want a copy, get 
> on his
> list to receive it free, but it seems there are a few folks ahead of you.
>
> You owe him an abject apology. On several different counts.
>
>  KS> same angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve
>  KS> others, then that's fraud.
>
> What if it's not going downhill?
>
> *** Mr. Stuckas and many others worry about Mr. Silverman's question 
> quite a
>     bit. It is just this which makes me go on. Otherwise, I would not 
> bother
>     any longer.
>
>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>
>  KS> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being
>  KS> deliberately deceptive.
>
> In the demo, it operates for two cycles (which is all the demo device 
> has on
> it). Stewart is referring to how many two-cycle runs it will do over time.
> There are something like 15 or 20 on the demo tape.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: RON FREIMUTH
> To: JUDY STEIN
> Subject: Harris Device
>
>  RF> Do you know what magnetic material is in the runner?
>
>  JS> They're flat circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>
>  > strung on the runner's "axle" like a roll of Lifesavers. Stewart said
>  > elsewhere these magnets are available at Radio-Shack. Looks like
>
> Yeah, got that from Brian, too.
>
> This means the runner can be attracted or repelled by other magnets. One
> effect is that the hills can be effectively moved zerbelow o height, 
> as far as
> potential energy goes.
>
> One needs put only enough energy into the system to overcome friction.
>
> *** This post caused me to wonder what happened to overcoming the force of
>     gravity going up the declines?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-18,18:31
> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> To: RON FREIMUTH
> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>
>  RF> OK, I wasn't aware the runner had magnets. Bet one has to supply work
>  RF> to get it in position. The energy then runs the device through
>
> Interesting: he said that if you approach the track at more than 45 
> degrees
> from above, you don't see repulsion. I guess that maximum repulsion is 
> felt
> from 45 degrees low....
>
> *** Here is the crux of the 'flapper.' There is no repulsive effect 
> above 45
>     degrees, not low. And the work supplied to get it into position is 
> gravity
>     at work. Then, since gravity is not a source of energy, and the 
> magnets
>     are doing all the work, there is no new input. If you consider 
> gravity a
>     source of energy, then COE is shoved out the window. It is a 
> paradox which
>     needs answering.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: JIM GOODMAN
> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> Subject: Maglev Devices
>
>  BW> (Believe it or not, there are no known perpetual motion machines.
>  BW> Sorry!)
>
> shucks, you caught me stirring the pot. I don't believe that Stewart 
> Harris
> has designed a pmm either, but he may have found another force. I'm 
> betting on
> some magnetic like force. see the Newman device discussion.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-22,09:51
> From: JIM GOODMAN
> To: JUDY STEIN
> Subject: MAGLEV DEVICES
>
> [Harris device]
>
>  JS> I'm not really even all that clear on what the *problem* is with it.
>
> tanstaafl:there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
>
> this means that there is no perpetual motion machine. something has to 
> power
> it. I'm interested in finding out what (force) makes the device run.  
> Nobody
> believes that a static magnet will make a mass speed up slightly,
> indefinitely. a magnet will reduce friction (meglev), but not power 
> anything.
>
> Jim
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-07-29,09:25
> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> To: JIM GOODMAN
> Subject: Maglev Devices
>
>  JG> following a magnetic track is simple. But both Harris and Newman have
>  JG> reported the device operates indefinitely. It is a source of energy.
>  JG> The
>
> As far as I could see, Stewart NEVER claimed his machine operated
> 'indefinitely'.
>
> My understanding is, he claimed
>
> 1) His machine operated 'repeatedly' over an extended period of years, 
> with no
>    loss of vigor over the one two or three 'hills' he arranged.
>
> 2) When arranged in a circle, his runner on rare occasions could reach and
>    pass its starting point.
>
> 3) He hoped that by suitably transporting the runner back to its start
>    position, he could make the action repetitive ( a surely forlorn 
> hope...)
>
> *** Notice the lament. It is catching. I really don't want to even 
> present the
>     evidence, since it will disrupt so many people from their lifetime
>     beliefs. It is not worth it at all to create disruption. I was 
> proud of
>     this in one sense: no pollution and no possible harm to people. It 
> does
>     not seem that that is true any longer.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: 1994-08-02,16:47
> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
> To: JIM GOODMAN
> Subject: Maglev Devices
>
>  JG> crosses the surface. I guess that the surface did not enclose all of
>  JG> the energy sources (sun) that the Harris device uses. Therefore the
>  JG> system is open and all bets are off. One of the sources of energy 
> from
>  JG> the sun is a pumped magnetic field.
>
> I postulate that the resistance that the runner encounters on 
> approaching the
> start of the track is the source of its motive power.
>
> *** Another iteration of the standard objection. But the 'flapper' 
> does not
>     run the runner in a position where it ever encounters resistance or
>     'repulsion.' Eliminating that is the purpose of the 'flapper.' 
> Then what
>     comes next. I only offer this as references for answer which will 
> come if
>     I put the 'flapper' into public view.
>
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>
> I hope this has been of some help and will answer some of your 
> questions as to
> what it is and why I no longer go on any science echos.
>
> The 'flapper' has existed. I make that clear. It was destroyed twice. 
> Once in
> cardboard version; once in Tinkertoy version. A new one is being built in
> sturdy plastic, which should be able to resist the violent forces at work.
>
> The increase in force is due to removing the wheels as explained in the
> description of the demo, then placing the runner in an enclosed 
> container, but
> which allows it it move from one end to the other freely; and then 
> bringing
> the container closer to the tracks. Al this combines to increase the speed
> geometrically, it seems, until it very hard to catch the movement of the
> runner.
>
> This is one source of the violence, when it climbs the incline of the 
> seesaw
> with the weight shifting from the low apex to the top. Of necessity, 
> it must
> be stopped and that meant it is locked in and hits the end of the 
> container
> every time it climbs of the incline. The acceleration is tremendous and it
> hits that wall with quite a bit of force. It knocked the ends off my 
> cardboard
> model and simply shot out the tube/container.
>
> Then there is the downward swing of the pendulum which brings the mass 
> back
> into the influence of the track without that famous passage through any
> repulsion field or resistance field which is alleged to be the energy 
> input.
> When it does enter the track, try to envision a change in direction:
>
>              \
>             ___\
>
> which is quite radical and necessitates the entire frame be very, very 
> sturdy
> and rigid. (It is ironic that the device is subject to such tremendous 
> forces
> which seem to be destructive, when at the same time scientists claim it is
> losing so much energy that it will stop. If it stops, it will be 
> because of a
> buildup of force rather than a depletion, I believe.)
>
> Well, this is it, the total of what I can get out. I hope it helps 
> you. I have
> asked my sysop to pick up I-UFO.
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> On 2/18/2019 8:53 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>>>
>>> See:      ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
>>> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hello, all:
>>> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
>>> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
>>> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
>>> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
>>> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
>>> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
>>> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
>>> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
>>> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
>>> vector in the proper direction.
>>> ..
>>> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
>>> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
>>> ..
>>> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
>>> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
>>> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
>>> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
>>> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
>>> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
>>> ..
>>> Help anyone?
>>> ..
>>> norm ( no, the other one )
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: (R) Timedevice
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
>>> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
>>> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
>>> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
>>> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
>>> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
>>> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
>>> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
>>> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
>>> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
>>> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
>>> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
>>> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
>>> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: Refer 10917
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
>>> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
>>> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
>>> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
>>> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
>>> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
>>> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
>>> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
>>> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
>>> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
>>> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
>>> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
>>> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
>>> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
>>> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: TMI Plans
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>   
>>> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
>>> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
>>> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
>>> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
>>> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
>>> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>>>   
>>> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
>>> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
>>> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
>>> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
>>> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>>>   
>>> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
>>> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
>>> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
>>> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
>>> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>   
>>> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>>>   
>>> second down ramp
>>>   
>>> N             S  second
>>>                     up
>>> S             N  ramp
>>>           
>>> first down ramp
>>>   
>>> N             S  first
>>>                     up
>>> S             N  ramp
>>>   
>>>       S N         runner
>>>   
>>> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
>>> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
>>> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
>>> methods, please share the information.
>>> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
>>> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
>>> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
>>> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
>>> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
>>> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
>>> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
>>> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
>>> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
>>> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
>>> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
>>> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Glenda,
>>>   
>>> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
>>> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
>>> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
>>> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
>>> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
>>> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
>>> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
>>> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>>>   
>>> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
>>> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
>>> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
>>> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
>>> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
>>> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
>>> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
>>> the 3-space reality.
>>>   
>>> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
>>> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
>>> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
>>> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
>>> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: All aboard!!
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
>>> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
>>> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
>>> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>>>   
>>> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
>>> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
>>> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
>>> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
>>> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
>>> braking.
>>>   
>>> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
>>> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
>>> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
>>> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
>>> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>>>   
>>> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
>>> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
>>> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm,
>>>   
>>> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
>>> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
>>> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
>>> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
>>> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
>>> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
>>> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>>>                               --------------------
>>> Joel,
>>> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
>>> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
>>> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
>>> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
>>> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
>>> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
>>> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
>>> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
>>> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>>>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
>>> found.   >> Bert
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Bert,
>>>   
>>> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
>>> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
>>> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
>>> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
>>> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
>>> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>>>   
>>> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
>>> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
>>> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
>>> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
>>> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
>>> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>> ======================================================================
>>> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> Subject: Rollin'
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Joel,
>>> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
>>> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
>>> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
>>> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
>>> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
>>> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
>>> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
>>> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
>>> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
>>> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
>>> Bert
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>   > Message 11003
>>>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>   
>>>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>>>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>>>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>>>   
>>> [...]
>>>   
>>> ******************************** I offer:
>>>   
>>> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
>>> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
>>> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
>>> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>>>   
>>> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
>>> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
>>> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
>>> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
>>> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>>>   
>>> [...]
>>>   
>>> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
>>> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
>>> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
>>> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
>>> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
>>> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
>>> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>>>   
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Stewart Harris
>>>   
>>> Internet:[email protected]
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>>>
>>> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>   
>>> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
>>> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
>>> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
>>> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
>>> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
>>> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
>>> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
>>> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
>>> the Fibronacci series.
>>>   
>>> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
>>> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
>>> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
>>> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
>>> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
>>> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
>>> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
>>> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>>>   
>>> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
>>> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
>>> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
>>> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
>>> zero point, and from here life begins.
>>>   
>>> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
>>> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
>>> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
>>> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
>>> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
>>> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
>>> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>>>
>>>
>>> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>> Subject: Riiiver
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Bert,
>>>   
>>> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
>>> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
>>> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
>>> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
>>> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
>>> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
>>> incline.
>>>   
>>> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
>>> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
>>> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
>>> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>>>   
>>> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
>>> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
>>> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
>>> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
>>> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
>>> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
>>> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
>>> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>>>   
>>> Clear as mud, right?
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>>> with this one.  Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>> Subject: (R) Rollin'
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
>>> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
>>> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
>>> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
>>> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
>>> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
>>> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
>>> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
>>> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
>>> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
>>> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
>>> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
>>> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
>>> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
>>> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
>>> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
>>> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
>>> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
>>> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
>>> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
>>> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
>>> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
>>> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
>>> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
>>> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
>>> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Norm, you said:
>>> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>>>   
>>> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
>>> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>>>   
>>> THX,
>>> -Gerald
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
>>> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
>>> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
>>> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
>>> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
>>> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
>>> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
>>> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
>>> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
>>> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
>>> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
>>> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
>>> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
>>> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
>>> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
>>> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
>>> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
>>> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
>>> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
>>> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
>>> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
>>> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
>>> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
>>> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
>>> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
>>> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
>>> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
>>> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
>>> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
>>> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
>>> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
>>> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
>>> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
>>> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>> Subject: Dances With Cows
>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>
>>> Howdy Bert,
>>>   
>>> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
>>> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
>>> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
>>> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
>>> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
>>> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>>>   
>>> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
>>> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
>>> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
>>> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
>>> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
>>> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
>>> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>>>   
>>> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
>>> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
>>> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
>>> nets would govern speed.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>
>>> Joel,
>>>   
>>> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
>>> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
>>> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
>>> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
>>> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
>>> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
>>> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
>>> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
>>> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
>>> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
>>> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
>>> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
>>> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
>>> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
>>> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
>>> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>>> >> bert
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
>>> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
>>> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
>>> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
>>> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
>>> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
>>> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
>>> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
>>> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
>>> circular!
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: TMIdevice
>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
>>> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
>>> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
>>> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
>>> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
>>> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
>>> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
>>> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
>>> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
>>> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
>>> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>> Subject: TMI Device
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
>>> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
>>> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
>>> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
>>> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
>>> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
>>> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
>>> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
>>> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
>>> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
>>> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
>>> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
>>> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
>>> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
>>> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
>>> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
>>> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
>>> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
>>> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
>>> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
>>> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
>>> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
>>> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
>>> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
>>> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
>>> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
>>> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
>>> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
>>> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
>>> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
>>> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
>>> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
>>> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
>>> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
>>> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
>>> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
>>> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
>>> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
>>> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
>>> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
>>> created.   Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
>>> >From   : BERT POOL
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: TMI or TOMI
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
>>> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
>>> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
>>> old!
>>>   
>>> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
>>> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
>>> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
>>> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
>>> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
>>> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
>>> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
>>> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
>>> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
>>> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
>>> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
>>> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
>>> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
>>> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
>>> still run.
>>>   
>>> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
>>> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>>>   
>>> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>>>   
>>> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>>>   
>>> Bert
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: Dances with PHI
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm,
>>>   
>>> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
>>> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
>>> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
>>> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
>>> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
>>> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
>>> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
>>> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
>>> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
>>> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
>>> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
>>> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
>>> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>>>   
>>> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
>>> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
>>> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
>>> the inverse of PHI.
>>>   
>>> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
>>> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
>>> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
>>> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>>>   
>>> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
>>> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
>>> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
>>> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>>>   
>>> C'ya,
>>> Joel
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
>>> >From   : BILL BEATY
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>
>>> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
>>> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
>>> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
>>> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
>>> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
>>> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
>>> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
>>> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
>>> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
>>> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
>>> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
>>> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
>>> .
>>> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
>>> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
>>> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
>>> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
>>> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
>>> water in a couple of minutes.
>>> .
>>> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
>>> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
>>> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
>>> with the secret.
>>> .
>>> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
>>> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
>>> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
>>> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
>>> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>>>
>>> cc: Norman Wootan
>>>      
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> and you're welcome!
>>>   
>>> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
>>> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>>>   
>>> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
>>> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
>>> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
>>> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
>>> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>>>   
>>> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
>>> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
>>> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
>>> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
>>> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
>>> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
>>> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
>>> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
>>> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>>>   
>>> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
>>> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
>>> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
>>> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
>>> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
>>> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
>>> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
>>> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>>>   
>>> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: Save the Greys
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
>>> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
>>> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
>>> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
>>> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
>>> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
>>> and ideals on these universal constants.
>>>   
>>> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
>>> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
>>> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
>>> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
>>> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
>>> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
>>> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>>>   
>>> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
>>> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
>>> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
>>> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
>>> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
>>> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
>>> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
>>> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
>>> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>>>   
>>> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
>>> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
>>> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
>>> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
>>> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
>>> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
>>> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
>>> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>>>   
>>> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
>>> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
>>> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
>>> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
>>> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
>>> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
>>> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
>>> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
>>> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
>>> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
>>> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
>>> day.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
>>> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
>>> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
>>> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
>>> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
>>> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
>>> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
>>> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
>>> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
>>> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
>>> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>>>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
>>> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
>>> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
>>> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
>>> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
>>> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
>>> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
>>> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
>>> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
>>> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
>>> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
>>> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>>>   
>>> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
>>> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
>>> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
>>> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
>>> the laser light is cancelled.
>>>   
>>> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
>>> "classic" UFO.
>>>   
>>> Joel
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: light universe 1/3
>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>
>>>   
>>> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
>>> By: Ian Wilson
>>> To: All
>>> Re: Universal Vision
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>    
>>> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>>>     
>>> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
>>> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
>>> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
>>> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
>>> effect.
>>>      
>>> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
>>> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
>>> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
>>> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>>>       
>>> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
>>> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
>>> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
>>> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
>>> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
>>> timeless expressiveness.
>>>        
>>> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
>>> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
>>> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
>>> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
>>> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
>>> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
>>> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
>>> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
>>> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
>>> that we form in our science.
>>>         
>>> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
>>> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>>>          
>>>           
>>>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>>>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>>>           10   ³    ³  2
>>>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>>>          9³              ³ 3
>>>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>>>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>>>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>>>                  6
>>>            
>>> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
>>> material state, it combines with other particles forming
>>> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
>>> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
>>> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
>>> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
>>> molecular order.
>>>   
>>> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
>>> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
>>> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
>>> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
>>> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>>>            2
>>> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
>>> light as energy.
>>>    
>>> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
>>> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
>>> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
>>> representing.
>>>     
>>> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
>>> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
>>> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
>>> creates a larger sub-particle.
>>>      
>>> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
>>> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
>>> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>>>       
>>>        
>>>         
>>>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>>>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>>>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>>>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>>>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>>>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>>>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>        ³              ³    ³
>>>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>             ³    ³
>>>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>   
>>> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
>>> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
>>> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
>>> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
>>> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
>>> understand.
>>>    
>>> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
>>> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
>>> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
>>> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
>>> it's schools of particles and families.
>>>     
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: light universe 2/3
>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>
>>>   
>>> The Universe as a Whole.
>>>    
>>> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
>>> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
>>> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
>>> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
>>> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
>>> becomes.
>>>     
>>> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
>>> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
>>> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
>>> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
>>> is still energy.
>>>      
>>> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
>>> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
>>> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
>>> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
>>> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
>>> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
>>> (Intelligence).
>>>       
>>> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
>>> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
>>> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
>>> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
>>> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
>>> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
>>> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
>>> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>>>        
>>> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
>>> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
>>> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
>>> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
>>> fields instead of matter fields.
>>>         
>>> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
>>> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
>>> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
>>> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
>>> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>>>          
>>> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
>>> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
>>> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
>>> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
>>> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
>>> different frequencies.
>>>           
>>> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
>>> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
>>> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
>>> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
>>> gets really interesting.
>>>   
>>> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>>>    
>>> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
>>> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
>>> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
>>> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
>>> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>>>     
>>> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
>>> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
>>> self aware field of energy.
>>>      
>>> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
>>> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
>>> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
>>> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
>>> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
>>> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>>>       
>>> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
>>> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
>>> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
>>> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
>>> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>>>        
>>> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
>>> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
>>> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
>>> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>>>         
>>> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
>>> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
>>> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
>>> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
>>> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
>>> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
>>> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
>>> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
>>> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
>>> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
>>> understand the principles of this.
>>>   
>>> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
>>> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
>>> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
>>> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
>>> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
>>> of cause and effect.
>>>    
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: light universe 3/3
>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>
>>>   
>>> Why thought as a creative energy?
>>>    
>>> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
>>> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
>>> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
>>> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
>>> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
>>> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>>>     
>>> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
>>> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
>>> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
>>> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
>>> at the different feilds of frequency.
>>>      
>>> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
>>> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
>>> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
>>> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
>>> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
>>> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
>>> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
>>> relationships.
>>>       
>>> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
>>> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
>>> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
>>> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
>>> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
>>> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
>>> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
>>> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
>>> very specific frequency.
>>>        
>>> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
>>> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
>>> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
>>> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
>>> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
>>> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
>>> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
>>> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
>>> at a very specific feild.
>>>   
>>> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
>>> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
>>> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
>>> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
>>> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
>>> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
>>> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
>>> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
>>> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
>>> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
>>> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
>>> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
>>> sensory experience with this energy system.
>>>    
>>> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>>>     
>>> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
>>> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
>>> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
>>> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
>>> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
>>> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
>>> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
>>> hand.
>>>      
>>> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
>>> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
>>> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>>>       
>>> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
>>> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
>>> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
>>> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
>>> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
>>> the first wheel being fashioned.
>>>        
>>> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
>>> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
>>> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
>>> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
>>> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
>>> idea.
>>>         
>>> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
>>> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
>>> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
>>> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
>>> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
>>> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
>>> thought manifestation.
>>>   
>>>                          Till then,
>>>                                   Ian Wilson
>>>    
>>> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
>>> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
>>> (604)-493-3455
>>>     
>>> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
>>> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
>>> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
>>> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
>>> is.
>>>      
>>> Ian Wilson
>>>       
>>>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: crystals
>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>
>>> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>>>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>>>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>>>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> HI!
>>> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
>>> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
>>> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
>>> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
>>> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
>>> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
>>> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
>>> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
>>> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
>>> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
>>> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
>>> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
>>> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
>>> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
>>> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
>>> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
>>> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
>>> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
>>> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
>>> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
>>> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
>>> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
>>> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
>>> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
>>> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
>>> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
>>> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
>>> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
>>> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
>>> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
>>> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
>>> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
>>> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
>>> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
>>> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
>>> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
>>> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
>>> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
>>> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
>>> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
>>> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
>>> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
>>> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
>>> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
>>> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
>>> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
>>> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
>>> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
>>> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
>>> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
>>> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
>>> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
>>> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
>>> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
>>> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
>>> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
>>> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
>>> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
>>> [...]
>>> --- FMail 0.92
>>>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
>>> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
>>> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
>>> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
>>> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
>>> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
>>> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
>>> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
>>> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
>>> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
>>> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
>>> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
>>> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
>>> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
>>> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
>>> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
>>> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
>>> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
>>> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
>>> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
>>> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
>>> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
>>> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
>>> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
>>> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
>>> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
>>> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
>>> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
>>> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
>>> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
>>> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
>>> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
>>> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
>>> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
>>> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
>>> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
>>> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
>>> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
>>> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
>>> ...
>>> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
>>> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
>>> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
>>> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
>>> magnets glued onto it.....
>>> ...
>>> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
>>> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
>>> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
>>> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
>>> ...
>>> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
>>> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
>>> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
>>> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
>>> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
>>> ...
>>> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
>>> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
>>> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
>>> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
>>> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
>>> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
>>> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
>>> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
>>> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>>   JM>
>>>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>   JM>
>>>   [snip]
>>>   JM>
>>>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
>>> result
>>>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
>>> of
>>>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
>>> them
>>>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
>>> side
>>>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>   |
>>>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>>>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>>>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>>>   |
>>>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>>>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>>>   |
>>>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>>>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>>>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>>>   |
>>>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>>>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>>>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>>>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>>>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>>>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>>>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>>>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>>>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>>>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>>>   | corrugated cardboard.
>>>   |
>>>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>>>   |
>>>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>>>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>>>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>>>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>>>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>>>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>>>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>>>   |
>>>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>>>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>>>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>>>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>>>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>>>   | **Wow**!"
>>>   |
>>>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>>>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>>>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>>>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>>>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>>>   |
>>>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>>>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>>>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>>>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>>>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>>>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>>>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>>>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>>>   |
>>>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>>>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>>>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>>>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>>>   |
>>>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>>>   |
>>>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>>>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>>>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>>>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>>>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>>>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>>>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>>>   |
>>>   |
>>>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>>>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>>>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>>>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>>>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>>>   | of turns on the coils...
>>>   |
>>>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>>>   |
>>>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>>>   | Powell.
>>>   |
>>>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>>>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>>>   |
>>>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>>>   |
>>>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>>>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>>>   |
>>>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>>>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>>>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>>>   | these laying around?
>>>   |
>>>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>>>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>>>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>>>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>>>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>>>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>>>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>>>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>>>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>>>   |
>>>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>>>   |
>>> ===============================================================================
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>> To     : ALL
>>> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>
>>> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
>>> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
>>> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
>>> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
>>> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
>>> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
>>> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
>>> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
>>> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
>>> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
>>> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
>>> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
>>> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
>>> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
>>> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
>>> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
>>> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
>>> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
>>> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
>>> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
>>> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
>>> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
>>> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
>>> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
>>> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
>>> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
>>> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
>>> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
>>> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
>>> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
>>> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
>>> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
>>> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
>>> ===============================================================================
>>>
>>> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog 
>>>> will warp"
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>>>> individual rollers.  Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>>>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>>>> molecular alignment.
>>>>
>>>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>>>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was 
>>>> perpendicular again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>>>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with piezo 
>>>> electric mode...
>>>>
>>>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency 
>>>> to visible light...
>>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>>>> to the Net during the course of the day. Since Joel works out of his
>>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting 
>>>>> results of
>>>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly 
>>>>> conducted we
>>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during 
>>>>> which we
>>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers. After I got back home I ran
>>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating 
>>>>> magnetic
>>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart 
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. Well
>>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the 
>>>>> extent
>>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will 
>>>>> have
>>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is 
>>>>> that
>>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>> > 
>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>>>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our 
>>>>> findings
>>>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is 
>>>>> going on
>>>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by 
>>>>> believing
>>>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel and 
>>>>> I have
>>>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit 
>>>>> with a
>>>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix standing
>>>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny 
>>>>> bubbles in
>>>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong 
>>>>> magnetic
>>>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our 
>>>>> research fro
>>>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins Pump 
>>>>> unit
>>>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>>>>> > 
>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>>>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>>> >>      To: All
>>>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>>> >> Lines: 139
>>>>> >> [
>>>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>>> >> [
>>>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 21, 
>>>>> which
>>>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end 
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >> day:
>>>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* 
>>>>> that has
>>>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum rotors on
>>>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted 
>>>>> material to
>>>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he said. He
>>>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that 
>>>>> and this
>>>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular feature of
>>>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say 
>>>>> it is
>>>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as 
>>>>> Griggs
>>>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand dollars
>>>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about his 
>>>>> work
>>>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, with 
>>>>> only
>>>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it knows
>>>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>>>> building one
>>>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He showed
>>>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially 
>>>>> reduce
>>>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>>>> accepted
>>>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even *some* I
>>>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>>>> forth his
>>>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions made by
>>>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>>>> nuclear
>>>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth their
>>>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly 
>>>>> equipment. He is
>>>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly in 
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent 
>>>>> attorneys, he
>>>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic 
>>>>> Battery,"
>>>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary 
>>>>> Science"
>>>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in 
>>>>> places like
>>>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the 
>>>>> Tesla
>>>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific 
>>>>> article
>>>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete 
>>>>> experimental
>>>>> >> results.
>>>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this 
>>>>> area of
>>>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy) was shown. This had aired on 
>>>>> FUJI TV
>>>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong 
>>>>> patent
>>>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a 
>>>>> paper
>>>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth 
>>>>> International
>>>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco (April 
>>>>> 9-13,
>>>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several 
>>>>> working
>>>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a possible
>>>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that have 
>>>>> been
>>>>> >> seen.
>>>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally 
>>>>> videotaped. A
>>>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>>>> version
>>>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, 
>>>>> working
>>>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>>>> schedule
>>>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are 
>>>>> available..
>>>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>>> >> Technology.
>>>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events 
>>>>> at MIT
>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>>>> university. The
>>>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received 
>>>>> numerous
>>>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined forces and
>>>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>>>> Update,
>>>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was distributed
>>>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>>>> Technology to
>>>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>>>> **reliable**
>>>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>>> >> finalized).
>>>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing 
>>>>> a paper
>>>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is no 
>>>>> longer
>>>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New Hampshire. An
>>>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>>>> repeated
>>>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program 
>>>>> (1/20/95)
>>>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>>>> "Science
>>>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene 
>>>>> Mallove of
>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and 
>>>>> Professor
>>>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew what 
>>>>> they
>>>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that 
>>>>> did not
>>>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 59th
>>>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy Age. A
>>>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>>> >> Washington.
>>>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>> >> >> Good stuff, no?      Bert
>>>>> >> 
>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>

Jerry Decker, Keely Net left us with a valuable list of ASC Files for 
our research. See

http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/KEELYNET/

On 2/18/2019 9:39 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> This document by Joel McClain is key to your research and certainly 
> helped us reason out our projects.
>
> . 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
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> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   PHI&RES.ASC
>
>   THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RESONANCE AND PHI, AS DETERMINED BY
>   THE FIBONACCI SERIES OF NUMERALS
>
>   Joel McClain
>   April 26, 1994
>
>   Because the symbol PI is indeterminate, the Egyptians used PHI in 
> building
>   the pyramids.  They did this so that they could "square the circle", and
>   create a square base which contained the same area as a circle.
>
>   PHI simplifies the math required to square the circle, and is 
> expressed as
>   a constant of 1.618.  This has come to be known as the Golden Ratio.  To
>   learn more about the Golden Ratio, please refer to the book "Secrets 
> of the
>   Great Pyramid", by Peter Tompkins.
>
>   For the purpose of this paper, it is sufficient to know that this 
> ratio can
>   be very helpful in determining the true value in Hertz of notes on the
>   diatonic scale.  The standardized (1939) frequencies were accepted based
>   upon the sound preferences, as opposed to the PI or PHI relationship 
> of the
>   notes.
>
>   In  a  previous  paper,  I  extrapolated  the  harmonics  of 
> standardized
>   frequencies, proving the validity of Brown's Constant for determining
>   harmonic values.  However, this did not take into account the PHI 
> constant
>   from the Fibonacci Series, which gives us a more natural starting point.
>
>   Further, there exists a correlation with the Fibonacci Series, which 
> also
>   produces PHI, and which can be used for reference.  A Fibonacci 
> Series is a
>   list of numbers, where each number is equal to the sum of the two 
> previous
>   numbers.  For example, 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 is one such series.
>
>   If you divide a number by the previous number, such as 55/34, you get
>   1.618, the Golden Ratio.  As the numbers increase in value, the 
> ratio gets
>   closer to PHI.
>
>   We know from previous study that a note has its first harmonic at the
>   frequency of the note times the cube root of PI, which we have named
>   "Brown's Constant".  The numeric value of this is 1.3313.
>
>   Let's see how we can combine this with the Golden Ratio and with the
>   Fibonacci Series to create a diatonic scale that is based upon nature's
>   laws, as opposed to men's ears:
>
>   Start with the Fibonacci string of 144-233-377, and let's assign the 
> value
>   of 233 to the C note and you get,
>
>   WHOLE   FREQ    RATIO TO PHI                    HARMONIC @ FREQ
>   NOTE                                            TIMES BROWN'S CONSTANT
>
>   C       233     PHI @ 377/233                   310 (F)
>   D       263     CD RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          350 (G)
>   F       310     DF RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        413 (A)
>
>                                      Page 1
>
>
>
>
>
>   G       350     FG RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          466 (C)
>   A       413     GA RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        550 (D)
>   C       466     AC RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          620 (F)
>
>   Now, we have frequencies which are balanced relative to each other, 
> as well
>   as based upon natural resonance.  To check your answers, relative to PI,
>   consider that PI = 4 DIVIDED BY THE SQUARE ROOT OF PHI, so PI = 
> 4/1.272 or
>   3.1447, based upon the 377/233 ratio
>
>   As with Brown's Constant, the numbers can vary, as long as the 
> proportions
>   are held constant.  In other words, if you start your scale with a 
> value of
>   377 instead of 233, and observe the same ratios, your chart will be as
>   viable as anyone else's.
>
>   Interestingly, the Fibonacci Series was understood by the Egyptians, and
>   has been mentioned as a means for deriving "Magic Squares", once again,
>   based upon the PHI ratio and relationship.
>
>   I would encourage researchers to learn more about PHI, and to use it for
>   resonance based designs, and to use the frequencies thus derived in 
> their
>   experiments.
>
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> On 2/18/2019 9:34 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Here is the file TIMDEVIC.ASC from the Keely Net as left by Jerry 
>> Decker. (RIP)
>>
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>> I spoke with Mr. Harris around 5PM today and he says he applied for a 
>> patent
>> on this device back in 1978 and it was rejected.  A Dr. Marion Bowman 
>> from
>> Washington travelled out to Mr. Harris' home to witness the operation 
>> of the
>> device.  He was amazed and returned to Washington enthusiastic about its
>> applications.  Shortly after this demonstration, all copies of the patent
>> application and other information subsequently disappeared from the 
>> Washington
>> Patent Office.  In addition, Mr. Stewart's home was broken into and his
>> original drawings, papers, applications and correspondence was stolen.
>>
>> Mr. Harris is disabled and has health problems which prevent him from 
>> actively
>> researching the device himself.  He tells me he built this thing in one
>> session as if it were inspired by some outside influence.  As noted 
>> in the
>> following document, the 'flapper' resulted from a dream that helped 
>> him solve
>> a perplexing problem with the device.  Stewart said the unit provides
>> tremendous force and he had to use the tinker toy wheels TO SLOW IT 
>> DOWN.  He
>> has not yet placed it in a rotating wheel or rotary track though he 
>> has no
>> doubt it will drive a wheel or magnet.
>>
>> I informed Stewart of John Searls' rotating magnets and his use of a 
>> circular
>> track with a cylindrical magnet placed horizontally on the track, 
>> wherein it
>> would start moving around the track on its own.  This is the very 
>> basis of the
>> Searl flying machine.  The same principle is used in the Hummel 
>> flying disk,
>> the Howard Johnson patent, the Troy Reed invention, the Gary magnetic 
>> motor
>> and several others.  So, there is AMPLE GROUND for the claims of Mr. 
>> Stewart
>> despite all the flames from those who live to create negative mischief.
>>
>> We here at KeelyNet will definitely experiment with the phenomenon 
>> and report
>> not only to Mr. Harris as per our discussion, but also to KeelyNet 
>> and our
>> many other associates and networkers.  If you choose to experiment 
>> with this
>> or a version of it, please share your results with us and with the 
>> inventor as
>> he has so kindly shared his work with us.......Thank you!........>>>  
>> Jerry
>>
>>             Also, I'd like to thank Glenda Stocks for sharing this
>>          fascinating file with the KeelyNet group and our associates!!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Theory of Magnetic Instability
>> A device by Stewart Harris
>>
>> Origin: XBN - 0004 - F:NSHIFTCP
>>   From: STEWART HARRIS
>>     To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>   Date: 01/04/95 at 19:10
>>     Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  > Glenda:
>>
>>  > I have used this in the hopes I will not be out of line with regard to
>>  > crossposting information you expressed interest in with regard to my
>>  > device.
>>
>>  > What follows is postings on the device by others on RIME, Science. I
>>  > will put the headings on once, and then state who is posting for some
>>  > form of brevity.
>>
>>  > I must congratulate Judy Stein from New York as being both an 
>> observant
>>  > writer but quite good in describing what she received from me. I 
>> have a
>>  > videotape of my device in action, following by a video of the CNN 
>> report
>>  > I refer to wherein it shows NASA attempting to move a drop of 
>> water up a
>>  > single incline, and without success, it moving only halfway. I 
>> know why
>>  > it will not proceed further.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  > Conference: 28,SCIENCE
>>  > Date: 1994-06-22,14:36
>>  > From: JUDY STEIN
>>  > To: JIM GOODMAN
>>  > Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  > Let me use the terms "incline" and "decline" to refer to the two sides
>>  > of each of the two peaks in the demo box, the terms referring to what
>>  > the runner is doing when it traverses them (see diagrams).
>>
>>  > The runner has the general shape of a barbell. Two Tinkertoy 
>> wheels, one
>>  > on either end, are the bells. Something that resembles a roll of
>>  > Lifesavers strung on a rod forms the bar between the wheels--the
>>  > Lifesavers, I gather, are circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>>  > I'd guess about a quarter of an inch thick and an inch in 
>> diameter, and
>>  > there are eight or 10 of them strung on the rod. The Tinkertoy wheels
>>  > are about an inch and a half in diameter. The runner looks as though
>>  > it's about six inches long, total.
>>
>>  > Cross section view
>>
>>      runner starts here
>>          \|/
>>           |
>>         | |     /\            /\             |
>>         | |   /    \        /    \           |
>>         | | /        \    /        \         |
>>         | /            \/            \       |
>>         |-------------------------------     |
>>         |                                    |
>>         |                                  <--------- runner ends up here
>>         |____________________________________|
>>
>>  > The angles of incline and decline are considerably exaggerated in the
>>  > diagram. It looks to me as though the declines are shorter and more
>>  > steeply angled than the inclines; the inclines seem to be about 2.5"
>>  > long and at 25 degrees, while the declines are more like 1" long and
>>  > about 45 degrees (rough estimate). The height of the triangle 
>> looks like
>>  > about 3/4" or so.
>>
>>  > On either side of the track are two additional rolls of these circular
>>  > magnets (four in all), the rolls being at right angles to the 
>> magnets on
>>  > the runner. Each of the two rolls of magnets on either side is set 
>> at an
>>  > angle to match the angle of the inclines.
>>
>> Top view
>>
>>            |<--track-->|
>>      ____________|____________
>>      |  ___|     |      |___  |
>>      | |___|  (start)   |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|  incline   |___| <---------roll of magnets, positioned at
>>      | |___|            |___| |         the same angle as the slope of
>>      | |___|            |___| |         the incline
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|____________|___| |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |   decline  |   <-----------no magnets here, but not as much
>>      |     |            |     |         space between the rolls as I've
>>      |  ___|____________|___  |         shown
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|  incline   |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|____________|___| |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |   decline  |     |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |____________|     |
>>      |        (finish)        |
>>      |________________________|
>>
>>  > The runner is positioned by hand at the bottom of the first 
>> incline (top
>>  > of the top-view diagram). When it is released, it moves rapidly up the
>>  > first incline, down the first decline, up the second incline, and down
>>  > the second decline. When it reaches the bottom of the second 
>> decline, it
>>  > simply falls down into the lower level of the box (bottom of the
>>  > top-view diagram).
>>
>>  > It's clear the runner is *released*, not given a push. It has to be
>>  > aligned correctly. My guess is the person aligning it feels a pressure
>>  > of the runner against his fingers when it's properly aligned. In the
>>  > demo, the person aligns it and then simply lays his finger on the 
>> rod to
>>  > keep it from moving, then removes his finger, and the runner starts to
>>  > move immediately.
>>
>>  > These diagrams are very crude. The demo itself is extremely crude--as
>>  > Stewart has said, it's a cardboard box with a lot of Scotch tape 
>> holding
>>  > things together.
>>
>> Stewart, you are right, she has done an excellent job of describing 
>> it, and
>> the diagrams are good also.  I will share this with the Keelynet BBS, 
>> as they
>> are usually interested in devices like yours.  If I get any feedback from
>> anyone, I will share it with you on the conferences.  I will 
>> reproduce the
>> remainder of your file here for the I_UFO conference (where we 
>> discuss UFO's
>> and New Science) and for other areas where I will share this information.
>> Let's hope that we will get feedback from other sources that will 
>> help us all
>> to understand the force(s) at work here.  :)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Following is a sample of Mr. Ken Stuckas accusing me of a hoax, and
>> eventually, fraud.
>>
>> This is part of what keeps me from doing a great deal with this.
>>
>> With no evidence of ill will on my part, Mr. Stuckas, a credentialed 
>> scientist
>> on several Science echos, simply attacks me out of, what, pique or with a
>> sense to destroy me. I intend to find out more about this later in a
>> courtroom, but for now it is simply interesting to note.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Harris device", Stewart Harris 
>> mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I 
>> create
>>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>>
>> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the 
>> device
>> is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going down 
>> hill. Mind
>> giving me the phone number of the commercial photographers who made 
>> the video?
>>
>> ***I supplied this for him, but he never called.
>>
>>  SH> As for sending a tape, being poor, unwilling to change that 
>> situation
>>  SH> by effort and disability, I am limited to sort of one tape a month,
>>  SH> (Cost about $15. Can't infringe on Helen's bingo money.) I am afraid
>>  SH> latecome and hostiles will have to wait a very, very long time.
>>
>> Oh, you aren't willing to make money off someone who understands 
>> science, huh?
>> You confuse skeptical criticism with hostility. How interesting. I 
>> don't think
>> it's ethical to use this echo to advertise a product, let alone one that
>> claims to violate the well-known and accepted laws of conservation of 
>> energy.
>> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain 
>> the the
>> U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate mail fraud.
>>
>> *** For the life of me I could not see how he translated an 
>> explanation of
>>     my poverty into a refusal to make money from him. And to do you 
>> see any
>>     effort at advertising? It was a science echo. And I have never 
>> made the
>>     claims he states; scientists have stated if my device worked it 
>> would do
>>     that. But that is not what I say because I don't even have the 
>> knowledge
>>     to know it in the first place.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Temporary energy stor 2/3
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 2/3", Stewart
>>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> So my first premise, that permanent magnets are a source of 
>> energy or
>>  SH> force, is correct according to what I read here. Yet you say 
>> permanent
>>  SH> magnets are not a source of energy. You seem to be supporting 
>> this by
>>  SH> saying that my device is doing no work, therefore no energy or force
>>  SH> is exerted.
>>
>>  SH> I am saying I cannot understand how a weight can be lifted to a 
>> height
>>  SH> without work or force being done and without any energy input.
>>
>> Replace your magnets with springs and you will see the problem. A 
>> compressed
>> spring has potential energy. I had to do work on the spring to load 
>> it with
>> the potential energy. That work came from an outside source. Once the 
>> spring
>> does work on some other system, I have to compress it again to get it do
>> repeat that work.
>>
>> A magnet and an iron bar separated by a distance possess potential 
>> energy just
>> as a coiled spring does. Once they come in contact with one another 
>> or just
>> get closer to one another I have to do work on them to separate them.
>>
>> *** As you can see from the drawings by Judy Stein, there is no 
>> 'contact with
>>     one another' and you will notice that the runner is close to the 
>> magnets,
>>     separated by wooden wheels, and they are never at any point along the
>>     route up and down the inclines in a position where they have to be
>>     'separated.' This is the common objection, the 'lines run 
>> perpendicular
>>     and result in only attraction/repulsion' approach of current 
>> science. I am
>>     demonstrating that the mass is moved parallel to the lines of 
>> force, there
>>     is no magnetic lock, and, therefore, no need for that 'extra work' to
>>     'separate and reset' the magnets or springs.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Temporary energy stor 3/3
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 3/3", Stewart
>>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> Now as far as a weight being at a height, I seriously doubt there is
>>  SH> even a bad engineer or cannot work out some way to put that 
>> weight to
>>  SH> good use. Yet as I understand what I am being told, either I 
>> cannot do
>>  SH> what I say and I am lying, or lifting a mass to a height is not 
>> useful
>>  SH> and cannot have any benefit to mankind.
>>
>> How did that weight get to that height? You had to do work on it to 
>> get it
>> there, right? When the weight has fallen and, in the process, done 
>> work on
>> some system then I need to do work on the weight to lift it back up 
>> to that
>> height.
>>
>> You cannot violate the law of conservation of energy here in the world of
>> classical mechanics. I will absolutely guarantee you that in the 
>> device you
>> are demonstrating, the total potential energy plus the total kinetic 
>> energy
>> at the beginning is greater than the totals of those values at the 
>> end. You
>> have lost some small amount of energy through the heat of frictionand
>> aerodynamic drag.
>>
>> If the video you made seems to violate these principles then you have 
>> tilted
>> the device at such an angle so that the device operates by going down 
>> hill and
>> if you have deliberately and knowingly tilted the video camera at the 
>> same
>> angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve 
>> others, then
>> that's fraud.
>>
>> *** Again, since it cannot be true because it would violate his laws of
>>     physics, I must, then, be hoaxing the situation. This is also 
>> common in
>>     all rebuttals to new science or ufo technology. He says that if 
>> the video
>>     shows the mass as going up, then it must be going down because I 
>> had the
>>     photographer tilt it, making it appear level, and that is fraud. 
>> He later
>>     denies this.
>>
>>  SH> What is my goal? One is not scientific and not applicable in this
>>  SH> echo. The other, and the reason I got into this with you and others,
>>  SH> is to see if there is some way to explain what is being done without
>>  SH> running into the initial blocks I came across some 18 years ago;
>>  SH> namely, objection to the device because it will violate some 
>> physical
>>  SH> laws.
>>
>> Your only out is to appeal to those who believe in pseudoscience by 
>> claiming
>> the effect to lie in the domain of quantum electrodynamics. In that 
>> case I
>> refer you to Chapter 12 of the recent book by Murray Gell-Mann, the 
>> 1969 Nobel
>> laureate in physics "The Quark and the Jaguar." Chapter 12 is called 
>> "Quantum
>> Mechanics and Flapdoodle," which points out the errors of just about
>> everything that Judy Stein believes in.
>>
>>  SH> You and others put your fingers on what I consider to be a way out,
>>  SH> and I am only exploring that possibility now with what I propose to
>>  SH> build.
>>
>>  SH> If my flapper is successful, and I see no reason for it not to
>>  SH> succeed, then I believe that the downward, pendulum-like swing which
>>  SH> will bring the mass back into the track is a source of energy drawn
>>  SH> upon from outside the system, which would be perfectly normal and
>>  SH> would violate no laws.
>>
>> Your intuition is apparently unaffected by scientific understanding.
>>
>>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>>
>> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being deliberately
>> deceptive.
>>
>> *** Here, since I did complete the 'flapper' since this dialogue, it 
>> has gone
>>     more than one cycle, so I guess I am being deliberately 
>> deceptive. Now you
>>     see why I have no real wish to go further and show this to the world.
>>     Ken Stuckas is simply a clone for all the scientists who have 
>> ragged me
>>     for 19 years now. It is not worth it.
>>
>> *** Judy Stein rebuts some of the accusations of this being rigged, a 
>> hoax, an
>>     optical illusion, a fraud.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-06-30,17:19
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: ERIK FRANCIS
>> Subject: HARRIS DEVICE
>>
>>  EF>> Whether his device actually produces any "net work," I'm not
>>  EF>> qualified to say. But I'm cracking up at your "optical illusion"
>>  EF>> description. You'd have to actually see the demo to realize how
>>  EF>> hilarious that is.
>>
>>  EF> Keep in mind that unless one has direct three-dimensional access 
>> to a
>>  EF> device, optical illusions and tricks are always possible (or, 
>> rather,
>>  EF> much easier!). Not that this is the case; but it is always important
>>  EF> to realize that it might be.
>>
>> *** Mr. Francis is far more rational and polite, but there is the 
>> underlying
>>     inference that it could be something which one is not really 
>> saying. This
>>     is why I stopped sending out the tapes. Just more of a hoax, much 
>> as UFO
>>     tapes are hoaxes.
>>
>> I understand; this is certainly the case in theory. But I think if 
>> you were to
>> see the demo you'd realize why I said what I did.
>>
>> (Not that this addresses your objection, and it isn't what I'm 
>> referring to,
>> but on the demo tape the apparatus is shoved around by hand (with the 
>> camera
>> running) so you see it doing its thing from all angles, several 
>> complete runs
>> from each angle. There are also closeups, with the camera right on 
>> top of the
>> apparatus.)
>>
>> I don't quite know how to say this without sounding like I'm 
>> deprecating the
>> device, but it's really a rattletrap thing, like what a kid would throw
>> together. It wouldn't get any prizes at a high school science fair, 
>> it's too
>> messy, too crude. The *diagram* I posted here is more precise than 
>> the device.
>> I made neater dollhouses out of shirt cardboards when I was 10.
>>
>> *** Ms. Stein was right in one sense. It would not win a prize in a high
>>     school science fair. However, I must add that the son of a friend 
>> in Las
>>     Vegas, who has been to the house many times and played with the 
>> device,
>>     built a more suitable duplicate (Another reproduction I forgot to 
>> add to
>>     that of the two gentlemen in Fido Science), and he won his high 
>> school
>>     science fair, and was second in the State Science Fair here in 
>> Nevada.
>>     That young man was Michael Wood, Son of Dennis Wood who posts on 
>> several
>>     fido echos.
>>
>> It is really barking up the wrong tree to suggest Stewart is trying 
>> to pull a
>> fast one with this thing. I don't have any idea whether it's 
>> significant or
>> not, but it is whatever it is and not something pretending to be 
>> something
>> else.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,01:02
>> From: JIM HARFORD
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  . RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system 
>> with a .
>>  . RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be 
>> hard to .
>>  . RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point. .
>>
>> It would be hard to explain only if the potential energy (energy of 
>> position)
>> of the mass was entirely gravitational. Then potential energy would 
>> be exactly
>> proportional to height. But since part of the potential energy of the 
>> mass is
>> due to the magnetic field that simple relationship is destroyed and 
>> one can no
>> longer visually determine whether what Judy saw is something ordinary or
>> something extraordinary.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,21:02
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>>
>> This is correct. This is what I have seen as well.
>>
>>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is 
>> exactly at
>>  RF> the initial height?
>>
>> The exit point appears to be at the same height as the entrance point.
>> However, the device unfortunately terminates PRECISELY at the end of the
>> second hill, and it becomes difficult to judge how far and whether 
>> the roller
>> would have continued for any distance after the end of the device.  
>> At the end
>> of the device, the roller literally falls off the device onto the 
>> floor or a
>> waiting hand.
>>
>> *** This lack of movement at the end is strictly a matter of design. The
>>     duplicates made by other gentlemen do proceed far beyond the end, and
>>     there is even comment on this point as being one of the problems that
>>     science faces in explaining this, as is alluded to in the above 
>> comments.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,18:37
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris Device
>>
>>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>>
>>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is 
>> exactly at
>>  RF> the initial height?
>>
>> I can say, sight unseen, the runner could have appreciable velocity if it
>> exited HIGHER.
>>
>> You wouldn't be surprized if a wad of paper could shoot higher from 
>> an elastic
>> band, surely? Remember, if there's initial repulsion before the runner is
>> placed on the track, that's potential energy for the acceleration phase!
>>
>> *** This is the general objection to the continuous motion aspect of this
>>     device. The 'flapper' is designed to demostrate that this 
>> shortcuts the
>>     repulsion aspect of the Theory of Magnetic Instability I have put
>>     together; and this shows that the mass or runner can actually 
>> start from
>>     scratch without the impetus of any passage through a repulsion phase.
>>
>> I realize the PE is a function of height and distance from the magnets.
>>
>> Now, I don't know how those disk magnets are stacked. All in the same
>> direction? If the moving mass were magnetized one could stack the 
>> magnets to
>> first attract, then repel. Equivalent approximately to a parabolic 
>> gravity
>> well. A mass would accelerate to the bottom, then *nearly* reach the 
>> top at
>> the other side.
>>
>> *** Notice "nearly". Yet my runner does not nearly reach the upper 
>> apex, it
>>     is accelerating at that point. Accelerating, so it is gaining 
>> momentum.
>>
>> Add another force, gravity, and one can distort the well by adjusting the
>> curve of the track.
>>
>> *** Here is one of my problems with this whole affair. Is gravity an 
>> energy
>>     input or a force which is never consumed. If the latter, then COE 
>> does not
>>     apply at all. Is any gravity used up when all objects fall. When 
>> a plane
>>     flies, is gravity an input or a force. Thrust is required to overcome
>>     gravity. I wonder why, when my mass is moved uphill against 
>> gravity, no
>>     work is being done similar to the thrust of an airplane engine. 
>> So what is
>>     the engine? It must be the magnets. But my magnets still work the 
>> same as
>>     they did 19 years ago.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  SH> Never thought that, and it would not matter! You have not called 
>> me a
>>  SH> fool, at least. Perhaps that is because neither of us is an expert.
>>  SH> Only an expert can tell you the runner does not do what you see. 
>> I am
>>  SH> used to it.
>>
>> I have seen the videotape, and I see it does what you are saying.
>>
>> I would, however, like to know how the magnets are arranged along the 
>> track.
>> For, having seen the device, I am sure I can buy a bunch of magnets and
>> construct a similar device. Perhaps even make one that is a bit better in
>> terms of efficiency and arrange so that the output of one such device 
>> leads
>> into the input of the other, and then repeat the output of the latter 
>> into the
>> input of the first. A closed loop.
>>
>> For, science requires repeatability, and if you can get someone else 
>> to repeat
>> what you have done, independently, then that shows something.
>>
>> *** The same argument made by gentlemen on Fido Science. And it was 
>> reproduced
>>     and the exact same suggestions were made with regard to putting 
>> it into a
>>     closed loop. That is what the new dream "from my aliens" showed 
>> me how to
>>     do with a great deal less expense than my own ideas. I have not 
>> pursued
>>     this with Mr. Silverman because I had given up by then. It was 
>> the new
>>     dream about the 'flapper' which brought me bck to life.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>>
>>  BW> Stewart, I believe you have given a moderate and up front account of
>>  BW> your interesting machine.
>>
>>  BW> You have never claimed perpetual motion for it, nor even long
>>  BW> continued action.
>>
>> But because a closed loop could be constructed by joining output and 
>> inputs of
>> 2 such devices, it certainly implies it.
>>
>>  BW> I believe I understand the operating principle of your device: I
>>  BW> believe you provide energy in placing the runner into its
>>  BW> energetically favorable starting position.
>>
>>  BW> You can easily test for this initial repulsion that must be 
>> overcome.
>>  BW> You probably cannot even FEEL the force you are providing - a basis
>>  BW> for your puzzlement, I'm sure.
>>
>>  BW> But if you will suspend the runner on two long threads of 
>> cotton, say
>>  BW> 24 inches long each, and GRADUALLY approach the runner to its 
>> starting
>>  BW> position on the track, you will find that the runner pushes back 
>> from
>>  BW> its starting position, until it gets quite close, then it starts to
>>  BW> pull forward. You will see the cotton suspension leans a little from
>>  BW> the vertical.
>>
>> And how owuld this initial imparting of energy carry the device over 
>> the 2
>> inclines?
>>
>> *** Notice the interesting question by Mr. Silverman at the end. The
>>     proposition by Mr. Whatcott was done by me many, many years ago. 
>> And this
>>     is exactly what disproves that repulsion is not the initiating 
>> impetus.
>>     And Mr. Silverman's question is exactly what bothers me, in that 
>> I can say
>>     what it is, but it will not make scientists very happy. TOMI, the 
>> Theory
>>     of Magnetic Instability.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,15:52
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  SH> I tried very hard to remove my finger in a "backward movement" to
>>  SH> avoid the impression it was being pushed.
>>
>> Indeed, that's quite noticeable on the tape. Once you have the runner in
>> position, you lay your forefinger over the center of the runner, then 
>> release
>> it by drawing your finger back until it no longer contacts the runner, at
>> which point the runner immediately starts moving forward. It's clear your
>> finger is holding it back rather than pushing it forward.
>>
>> *** Interesting only to head off beliefs I push the runner at the initial
>>     point of takeoff.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: KEN STUCKAS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle 
>> that the
>>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>>  KS> down hill.
>>
>> Of course, the people standing around while the device is being 
>> operated and
>> moved around, since they appear to be standing straight up with 
>> respect to the
>> device, must have also modified the law of gravity. I don't think 
>> shifting the
>> device and camera will act to change the gravity vector.
>>
>>  KS> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain
>>  KS> the the U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate
>>  KS> mail fraud.
>>
>> As you probably don't recall, he said he didn't mail often since he 
>> didn't
>> want to take money, and it cost him moeny to make and send.
>>
>> *** Even I do not have todefend against fraud, as those who have seen 
>> the tape
>>     will attest to my integrity.
>>
>> *** What follows is a description of the NSA experiment I refer to.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,15:56
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  SH> I would love for you to give a comparably lucid description on the
>>  SH> NASA experiment which I included on that tape.
>>
>> It shows a closeup view of what appear to be a series of drops of water
>> falling onto an inclined plane (about 10-15 degrees?), inclined from 
>> left to
>> right. The drops fall one by one from some kind of nozzle that's 
>> right above
>> the plane, close enough to it so the bottom of the drop touches the plane
>> before the top detaches from the nozzle.
>>
>> The instant the bottom of the water drop touches the plane, it begins 
>> to move,
>> slowly as long as it's still attached to the nozzle, then with a burst of
>> speed when the top breaks free.
>>
>> Then there is an edit in the film, and the camera has apparently moved
>> slightly to the right. We see a drop moving very slowly up the plane, 
>> then
>> suddenly going faster, then slower again. The nozzle is no longer in the
>> frame, but presumably it's *just* outside the left of the frame, so the
>> increase in speed is, again, what happens when the top of the drop 
>> breaks free
>> of the nozzle. But then after that initial acceleration, the drop 
>> slows down
>> again as it moves out of the frame to the right.
>>
>> The drop looks a bit peculiar after it's left the nozzle; it looks 
>> like a lens
>> (like a football flattened longitudinally) rather than a water drop 
>> (in other
>> words, the bottom of the drop does not appear to lie flat on the 
>> plane but is
>> rather turned up at the ends, the side view making it look as though 
>> they're
>> pointed), but that must be a distortion of the camera view.
>>
>> I can't tell how large the droplets are, so it's hard to say how fast the
>> drops are moving or how great a distance they travel. In the second 
>> shot, with
>> the nozzle out of the frame, it takes the drop about 7 seconds to 
>> move from
>> the left of the frame (it starts partially inside the frame) to the 
>> right and
>> disappear out of the frame. The motion, again, in this shot is 
>> slow-fast-slow.
>> The acceleration and period of top speed is only about a second.
>>
>> I can't tell for sure, but it looks to me as though *just* as the drop is
>> disappearing out of the frame to the left, it speeds up again slightly.
>>
>> If the drops are what I think of as "normal sized," i.e., what comes 
>> out of my
>> faucet when it's leaking drop by drop, I would guess the distance the 
>> drop in
>> the second camera shot traverses is maybe three-quarters of an inch or
>> slightly less.
>>
>> 'Zat what you wanted??
>>
>>  SH> I am changing course and trying to get a local plastic company 
>> to make
>>  SH> the flapper. And I have a great idea for a toy: Look at the drawings
>>  SH> of the hamster wheel. Can you imagine a track on the outside rim of
>>  SH> the wheel, covered by decorations, with chairs suspended a la a 
>> ferris
>>  SH> wheel?
>>
>> Sounds neat. I wish I had a kid to play with it!
>>
>>  SH> Maybe even a large wheel using no input other than the 
>> "lifesavers." I
>>  SH> love that, Judy. It's the most clear but most amusing description I
>>  SH> have heard about this in 18 years.
>>
>> I'm surprised nobody has come up with it so far; it seemed fairly 
>> obvious...
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: KEN STUCKAS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I 
>> create
>>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>>
>>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle 
>> that the
>>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>>  KS> down hill. Mind giving me the phone number of the commercial
>>  KS> photographers who made the video?
>>
>> You didn't take the trouble to read any of the earlier posts 
>> describing the
>> device, including my detailed description, with diagrams, of what is 
>> seen in
>> the demo tape. Yet you're willing to accuse Stewart of possible fraud 
>> when you
>> don't even have a clear mental image of what it is we're talking about.
>>
>> With the camera running, the box, which rests on a table, is shoved 
>> around
>> from one position to another so that the camera can film repetitions 
>> of the
>> action at all angles. To continuously adjust the tilt--not just of 
>> the box but
>> of the table, the walls of the room, and Stewart himself, much of 
>> whose body
>> is visible standing beside the table as he turns the box around and 
>> positions
>> the runner--to maintain the deceptive angle, you'd need a room-turning
>> mechanism far more elaborate and precise than that used to film Fred 
>> Astaire's
>> famous dance on the ceiling.
>>
>> I don't know how you'd calibrate it even so, because the box is 
>> shoved around
>> the way you'd thrust a cereal box at your breakfast companion sitting 
>> across
>> the table from you. Stewart is not a dancer, and moreover he has a 
>> gross hand
>> tremor.  And the camera is hand-held, not steady at all.
>>
>>  KS> yourself in the domain the the U.S. Postal Service which has the
>>  KS> authority to investigate mail fraud.
>>
>> Ken, this is just off the wall. You just breezed in for one of your 
>> infrequent
>> visits, and you have no idea what has been said previously. Stewart 
>> doesn't
>> charge for the tapes. He's telling you he only sends out tapes when 
>> he can
>> afford to pay for them out of his own pocket. Earlier someone offered to
>> reimburse him for a copy, and he flatly refused. You want a copy, get 
>> on his
>> list to receive it free, but it seems there are a few folks ahead of you.
>>
>> You owe him an abject apology. On several different counts.
>>
>>  KS> same angle to make the device appear level with the intent to 
>> decieve
>>  KS> others, then that's fraud.
>>
>> What if it's not going downhill?
>>
>> *** Mr. Stuckas and many others worry about Mr. Silverman's question 
>> quite a
>>     bit. It is just this which makes me go on. Otherwise, I would not 
>> bother
>>     any longer.
>>
>>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>>
>>  KS> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being
>>  KS> deliberately deceptive.
>>
>> In the demo, it operates for two cycles (which is all the demo device 
>> has on
>> it). Stewart is referring to how many two-cycle runs it will do over 
>> time.
>> There are something like 15 or 20 on the demo tape.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: RON FREIMUTH
>> To: JUDY STEIN
>> Subject: Harris Device
>>
>>  RF> Do you know what magnetic material is in the runner?
>>
>>  JS> They're flat circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>>
>>  > strung on the runner's "axle" like a roll of Lifesavers. Stewart said
>>  > elsewhere these magnets are available at Radio-Shack. Looks like
>>
>> Yeah, got that from Brian, too.
>>
>> This means the runner can be attracted or repelled by other magnets. One
>> effect is that the hills can be effectively moved zerbelow o height, 
>> as far as
>> potential energy goes.
>>
>> One needs put only enough energy into the system to overcome friction.
>>
>> *** This post caused me to wonder what happened to overcoming the 
>> force of
>>     gravity going up the declines?
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-18,18:31
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>>
>>  RF> OK, I wasn't aware the runner had magnets. Bet one has to supply 
>> work
>>  RF> to get it in position. The energy then runs the device through
>>
>> Interesting: he said that if you approach the track at more than 45 
>> degrees
>> from above, you don't see repulsion. I guess that maximum repulsion 
>> is felt
>> from 45 degrees low....
>>
>> *** Here is the crux of the 'flapper.' There is no repulsive effect 
>> above 45
>>     degrees, not low. And the work supplied to get it into position 
>> is gravity
>>     at work. Then, since gravity is not a source of energy, and the 
>> magnets
>>     are doing all the work, there is no new input. If you consider 
>> gravity a
>>     source of energy, then COE is shoved out the window. It is a 
>> paradox which
>>     needs answering.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: JIM GOODMAN
>> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  BW> (Believe it or not, there are no known perpetual motion machines.
>>  BW> Sorry!)
>>
>> shucks, you caught me stirring the pot. I don't believe that Stewart 
>> Harris
>> has designed a pmm either, but he may have found another force. I'm 
>> betting on
>> some magnetic like force. see the Newman device discussion.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-22,09:51
>> From: JIM GOODMAN
>> To: JUDY STEIN
>> Subject: MAGLEV DEVICES
>>
>> [Harris device]
>>
>>  JS> I'm not really even all that clear on what the *problem* is with it.
>>
>> tanstaafl:there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
>>
>> this means that there is no perpetual motion machine. something has 
>> to power
>> it. I'm interested in finding out what (force) makes the device run.  
>> Nobody
>> believes that a static magnet will make a mass speed up slightly,
>> indefinitely. a magnet will reduce friction (meglev), but not power 
>> anything.
>>
>> Jim
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-29,09:25
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: JIM GOODMAN
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  JG> following a magnetic track is simple. But both Harris and Newman 
>> have
>>  JG> reported the device operates indefinitely. It is a source of energy.
>>  JG> The
>>
>> As far as I could see, Stewart NEVER claimed his machine operated
>> 'indefinitely'.
>>
>> My understanding is, he claimed
>>
>> 1) His machine operated 'repeatedly' over an extended period of 
>> years, with no
>>    loss of vigor over the one two or three 'hills' he arranged.
>>
>> 2) When arranged in a circle, his runner on rare occasions could 
>> reach and
>>    pass its starting point.
>>
>> 3) He hoped that by suitably transporting the runner back to its start
>>    position, he could make the action repetitive ( a surely forlorn 
>> hope...)
>>
>> *** Notice the lament. It is catching. I really don't want to even 
>> present the
>>     evidence, since it will disrupt so many people from their lifetime
>>     beliefs. It is not worth it at all to create disruption. I was 
>> proud of
>>     this in one sense: no pollution and no possible harm to people. 
>> It does
>>     not seem that that is true any longer.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-08-02,16:47
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: JIM GOODMAN
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  JG> crosses the surface. I guess that the surface did not enclose all of
>>  JG> the energy sources (sun) that the Harris device uses. Therefore the
>>  JG> system is open and all bets are off. One of the sources of 
>> energy from
>>  JG> the sun is a pumped magnetic field.
>>
>> I postulate that the resistance that the runner encounters on 
>> approaching the
>> start of the track is the source of its motive power.
>>
>> *** Another iteration of the standard objection. But the 'flapper' 
>> does not
>>     run the runner in a position where it ever encounters resistance or
>>     'repulsion.' Eliminating that is the purpose of the 'flapper.' 
>> Then what
>>     comes next. I only offer this as references for answer which will 
>> come if
>>     I put the 'flapper' into public view.
>>
>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>>
>> I hope this has been of some help and will answer some of your 
>> questions as to
>> what it is and why I no longer go on any science echos.
>>
>> The 'flapper' has existed. I make that clear. It was destroyed twice. 
>> Once in
>> cardboard version; once in Tinkertoy version. A new one is being built in
>> sturdy plastic, which should be able to resist the violent forces at 
>> work.
>>
>> The increase in force is due to removing the wheels as explained in the
>> description of the demo, then placing the runner in an enclosed 
>> container, but
>> which allows it it move from one end to the other freely; and then 
>> bringing
>> the container closer to the tracks. Al this combines to increase the 
>> speed
>> geometrically, it seems, until it very hard to catch the movement of the
>> runner.
>>
>> This is one source of the violence, when it climbs the incline of the 
>> seesaw
>> with the weight shifting from the low apex to the top. Of necessity, 
>> it must
>> be stopped and that meant it is locked in and hits the end of the 
>> container
>> every time it climbs of the incline. The acceleration is tremendous 
>> and it
>> hits that wall with quite a bit of force. It knocked the ends off my 
>> cardboard
>> model and simply shot out the tube/container.
>>
>> Then there is the downward swing of the pendulum which brings the 
>> mass back
>> into the influence of the track without that famous passage through any
>> repulsion field or resistance field which is alleged to be the energy 
>> input.
>> When it does enter the track, try to envision a change in direction:
>>
>>              \
>>             ___\
>>
>> which is quite radical and necessitates the entire frame be very, 
>> very sturdy
>> and rigid. (It is ironic that the device is subject to such 
>> tremendous forces
>> which seem to be destructive, when at the same time scientists claim 
>> it is
>> losing so much energy that it will stop. If it stops, it will be 
>> because of a
>> buildup of force rather than a depletion, I believe.)
>>
>> Well, this is it, the total of what I can get out. I hope it helps 
>> you. I have
>> asked my sysop to pick up I-UFO.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> On 2/18/2019 8:53 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>>>>
>>>> See:      ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
>>>> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hello, all:
>>>> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
>>>> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
>>>> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
>>>> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
>>>> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
>>>> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
>>>> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
>>>> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
>>>> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
>>>> vector in the proper direction.
>>>> ..
>>>> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
>>>> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
>>>> ..
>>>> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
>>>> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
>>>> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
>>>> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
>>>> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
>>>> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
>>>> ..
>>>> Help anyone?
>>>> ..
>>>> norm ( no, the other one )
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) Timedevice
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
>>>> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
>>>> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
>>>> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
>>>> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
>>>> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
>>>> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
>>>> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
>>>> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
>>>> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
>>>> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
>>>> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
>>>> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
>>>> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Refer 10917
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
>>>> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
>>>> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
>>>> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
>>>> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
>>>> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
>>>> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
>>>> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
>>>> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
>>>> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
>>>> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
>>>> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
>>>> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
>>>> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
>>>> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMI Plans
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>>> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>>   
>>>> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
>>>> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
>>>> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
>>>> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
>>>> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
>>>> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>>>>   
>>>> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
>>>> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
>>>> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
>>>> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
>>>> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>>>>   
>>>> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
>>>> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>>> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
>>>> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>>> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
>>>> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
>>>> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>>   
>>>> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>>>>   
>>>> second down ramp
>>>>   
>>>> N             S  second
>>>>                     up
>>>> S             N  ramp
>>>>           
>>>> first down ramp
>>>>   
>>>> N             S  first
>>>>                     up
>>>> S             N  ramp
>>>>   
>>>>       S N         runner
>>>>   
>>>> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
>>>> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
>>>> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
>>>> methods, please share the information.
>>>> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
>>>> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
>>>> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
>>>> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
>>>> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
>>>> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
>>>> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
>>>> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
>>>> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
>>>> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
>>>> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
>>>> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Glenda,
>>>>   
>>>> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
>>>> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
>>>> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
>>>> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
>>>> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
>>>> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
>>>> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
>>>> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>>>>   
>>>> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
>>>> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
>>>> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
>>>> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
>>>> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
>>>> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
>>>> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
>>>> the 3-space reality.
>>>>   
>>>> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
>>>> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
>>>> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
>>>> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
>>>> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: All aboard!!
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
>>>> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
>>>> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
>>>> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>>>>   
>>>> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
>>>> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
>>>> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
>>>> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
>>>> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
>>>> braking.
>>>>   
>>>> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
>>>> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
>>>> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
>>>> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
>>>> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>>>>   
>>>> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
>>>> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
>>>> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>   
>>>> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
>>>> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
>>>> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
>>>> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
>>>> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
>>>> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
>>>> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>>>>                               --------------------
>>>> Joel,
>>>> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
>>>> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
>>>> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
>>>> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
>>>> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
>>>> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
>>>> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
>>>> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
>>>> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>>>>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
>>>> found.   >> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
>>>> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
>>>> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
>>>> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
>>>> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
>>>> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>>>>   
>>>> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
>>>> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
>>>> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
>>>> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
>>>> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
>>>> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ======================================================================
>>>> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: Rollin'
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
>>>> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
>>>> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
>>>> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
>>>> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
>>>> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
>>>> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
>>>> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
>>>> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
>>>> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
>>>> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>   > Message 11003
>>>>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>>>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>   
>>>>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>>>>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>>>>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>>>>   
>>>> [...]
>>>>   
>>>> ******************************** I offer:
>>>>   
>>>> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
>>>> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
>>>> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
>>>> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>>>>   
>>>> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
>>>> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
>>>> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
>>>> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
>>>> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>>>>   
>>>> [...]
>>>>   
>>>> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
>>>> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
>>>> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
>>>> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
>>>> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
>>>> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
>>>> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>>>>   
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Stewart Harris
>>>>   
>>>> Internet:[email protected]
>>>> Internet:[email protected]
>>>> Las Vegas - Home of High Rollers, Aliens and the Good Life
>>>>              and Continuous Motion!!
>>>> ... All things are difficult before they are easy.
>>>>   * TLX v4.00 *
>>>> --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#31)
>>>>   * Origin: Vegas PlayGround BBS * LV, NV * 24 Nodes * (1:209/276)
>>>>   
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>   
>>>> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
>>>> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
>>>> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
>>>> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
>>>> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
>>>> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
>>>> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
>>>> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
>>>> the Fibronacci series.
>>>>   
>>>> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
>>>> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
>>>> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
>>>> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
>>>> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
>>>> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
>>>> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
>>>> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>>>>   
>>>> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
>>>> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
>>>> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
>>>> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
>>>> zero point, and from here life begins.
>>>>   
>>>> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
>>>> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
>>>> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
>>>> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
>>>> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
>>>> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
>>>> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: Riiiver
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
>>>> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
>>>> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
>>>> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
>>>> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
>>>> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
>>>> incline.
>>>>   
>>>> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
>>>> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
>>>> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
>>>> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>>>>   
>>>> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
>>>> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
>>>> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
>>>> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
>>>> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
>>>> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
>>>> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
>>>> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>>>>   
>>>> Clear as mud, right?
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: (R) Rollin'
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
>>>> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
>>>> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
>>>> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
>>>> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
>>>> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
>>>> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
>>>> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
>>>> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
>>>> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
>>>> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
>>>> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
>>>> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
>>>> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
>>>> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
>>>> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
>>>> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
>>>> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
>>>> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
>>>> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
>>>> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
>>>> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
>>>> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
>>>> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
>>>> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
>>>> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Norm, you said:
>>>> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>>>>   
>>>> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
>>>> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>>>>   
>>>> THX,
>>>> -Gerald
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
>>>> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
>>>> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
>>>> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
>>>> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
>>>> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
>>>> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
>>>> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
>>>> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
>>>> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
>>>> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
>>>> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
>>>> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
>>>> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
>>>> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
>>>> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
>>>> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
>>>> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
>>>> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
>>>> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
>>>> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
>>>> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
>>>> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
>>>> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
>>>> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
>>>> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
>>>> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
>>>> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
>>>> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
>>>> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
>>>> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
>>>> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
>>>> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
>>>> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: Dances With Cows
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> Howdy Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
>>>> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
>>>> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
>>>> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
>>>> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
>>>> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>>>>   
>>>> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
>>>> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
>>>> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
>>>> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
>>>> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
>>>> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
>>>> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>>>>   
>>>> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
>>>> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
>>>> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
>>>> nets would govern speed.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>>   
>>>> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
>>>> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
>>>> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
>>>> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
>>>> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
>>>> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
>>>> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
>>>> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
>>>> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
>>>> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
>>>> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
>>>> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
>>>> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
>>>> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
>>>> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
>>>> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>>>> >> bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
>>>> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
>>>> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
>>>> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
>>>> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
>>>> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
>>>> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
>>>> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
>>>> circular!
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: TMIdevice
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
>>>> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
>>>> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
>>>> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
>>>> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
>>>> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
>>>> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
>>>> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
>>>> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
>>>> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
>>>> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> Subject: TMI Device
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
>>>> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
>>>> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
>>>> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
>>>> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
>>>> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
>>>> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
>>>> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
>>>> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
>>>> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
>>>> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
>>>> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
>>>> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
>>>> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
>>>> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
>>>> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
>>>> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
>>>> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
>>>> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
>>>> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
>>>> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
>>>> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
>>>> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
>>>> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
>>>> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
>>>> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
>>>> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
>>>> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
>>>> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
>>>> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
>>>> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
>>>> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
>>>> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
>>>> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
>>>> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
>>>> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
>>>> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
>>>> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
>>>> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
>>>> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
>>>> created.   Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMI or TOMI
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
>>>> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
>>>> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
>>>> old!
>>>>   
>>>> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
>>>> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
>>>> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
>>>> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
>>>> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
>>>> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
>>>> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
>>>> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
>>>> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
>>>> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
>>>> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
>>>> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
>>>> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
>>>> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
>>>> still run.
>>>>   
>>>> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
>>>> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>>>>   
>>>> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>>>>   
>>>> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>>>>   
>>>> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: Dances with PHI
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>   
>>>> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
>>>> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
>>>> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
>>>> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
>>>> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
>>>> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
>>>> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
>>>> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
>>>> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
>>>> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
>>>> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
>>>> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
>>>> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>>>>   
>>>> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
>>>> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
>>>> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
>>>> the inverse of PHI.
>>>>   
>>>> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
>>>> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
>>>> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
>>>> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>>>>   
>>>> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
>>>> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
>>>> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
>>>> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>>>>   
>>>> C'ya,
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
>>>> >From   : BILL BEATY
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
>>>> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
>>>> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
>>>> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
>>>> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
>>>> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
>>>> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
>>>> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
>>>> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
>>>> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
>>>> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
>>>> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
>>>> .
>>>> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
>>>> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
>>>> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
>>>> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
>>>> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
>>>> water in a couple of minutes.
>>>> .
>>>> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
>>>> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
>>>> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
>>>> with the secret.
>>>> .
>>>> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
>>>> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
>>>> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
>>>> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
>>>> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>>>>
>>>> cc: Norman Wootan
>>>>      
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>> and you're welcome!
>>>>   
>>>> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
>>>> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>>>>   
>>>> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
>>>> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
>>>> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
>>>> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
>>>> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>>>>   
>>>> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
>>>> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
>>>> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
>>>> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
>>>> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
>>>> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
>>>> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
>>>> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
>>>> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>>>>   
>>>> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
>>>> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
>>>> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
>>>> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
>>>> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
>>>> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
>>>> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
>>>> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>>>>   
>>>> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Save the Greys
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
>>>> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
>>>> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
>>>> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
>>>> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
>>>> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
>>>> and ideals on these universal constants.
>>>>   
>>>> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
>>>> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
>>>> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
>>>> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
>>>> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
>>>> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
>>>> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>>>>   
>>>> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
>>>> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
>>>> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
>>>> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
>>>> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
>>>> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
>>>> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
>>>> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
>>>> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>>>>   
>>>> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
>>>> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
>>>> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
>>>> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
>>>> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
>>>> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
>>>> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
>>>> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>>>>   
>>>> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
>>>> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
>>>> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
>>>> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
>>>> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
>>>> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
>>>> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
>>>> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
>>>> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
>>>> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
>>>> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
>>>> day.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
>>>> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
>>>> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
>>>> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
>>>> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
>>>> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
>>>> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
>>>> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
>>>> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
>>>> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
>>>> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>>>>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
>>>> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
>>>> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
>>>> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
>>>> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
>>>> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
>>>> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
>>>> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
>>>> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
>>>> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
>>>> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
>>>> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>>>>   
>>>> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
>>>> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
>>>> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
>>>> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
>>>> the laser light is cancelled.
>>>>   
>>>> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
>>>> "classic" UFO.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 1/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
>>>> By: Ian Wilson
>>>> To: All
>>>> Re: Universal Vision
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>    
>>>> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>>>>     
>>>> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
>>>> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
>>>> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
>>>> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
>>>> effect.
>>>>      
>>>> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
>>>> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
>>>> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
>>>> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>>>>       
>>>> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
>>>> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
>>>> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
>>>> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
>>>> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
>>>> timeless expressiveness.
>>>>        
>>>> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
>>>> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
>>>> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
>>>> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
>>>> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
>>>> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
>>>> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
>>>> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
>>>> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
>>>> that we form in our science.
>>>>         
>>>> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
>>>> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>>>>          
>>>>           
>>>>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>>>>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>>>>           10   ³    ³  2
>>>>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>>>>          9³              ³ 3
>>>>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>>>>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>>>>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>>>>                  6
>>>>            
>>>> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
>>>> material state, it combines with other particles forming
>>>> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
>>>> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
>>>> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
>>>> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
>>>> molecular order.
>>>>   
>>>> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
>>>> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
>>>> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
>>>> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
>>>> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>>>>            2
>>>> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
>>>> light as energy.
>>>>    
>>>> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
>>>> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
>>>> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
>>>> representing.
>>>>     
>>>> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
>>>> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
>>>> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
>>>> creates a larger sub-particle.
>>>>      
>>>> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
>>>> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
>>>> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>>>>       
>>>>        
>>>>         
>>>>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>>>>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>>>>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>>>>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>>>>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>>>>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>>>>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>        ³              ³    ³
>>>>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>             ³    ³
>>>>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>   
>>>> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
>>>> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
>>>> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
>>>> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
>>>> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
>>>> understand.
>>>>    
>>>> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
>>>> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
>>>> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
>>>> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
>>>> it's schools of particles and families.
>>>>     
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 2/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> The Universe as a Whole.
>>>>    
>>>> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
>>>> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
>>>> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
>>>> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
>>>> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
>>>> becomes.
>>>>     
>>>> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
>>>> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
>>>> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
>>>> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
>>>> is still energy.
>>>>      
>>>> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
>>>> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
>>>> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
>>>> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
>>>> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
>>>> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
>>>> (Intelligence).
>>>>       
>>>> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
>>>> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
>>>> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
>>>> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
>>>> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
>>>> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
>>>> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
>>>> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>>>>        
>>>> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
>>>> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
>>>> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
>>>> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
>>>> fields instead of matter fields.
>>>>         
>>>> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
>>>> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
>>>> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
>>>> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
>>>> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>>>>          
>>>> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
>>>> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
>>>> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
>>>> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
>>>> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
>>>> different frequencies.
>>>>           
>>>> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
>>>> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
>>>> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
>>>> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
>>>> gets really interesting.
>>>>   
>>>> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>>>>    
>>>> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
>>>> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
>>>> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
>>>> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
>>>> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>>>>     
>>>> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
>>>> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
>>>> self aware field of energy.
>>>>      
>>>> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
>>>> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
>>>> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
>>>> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
>>>> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
>>>> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>>>>       
>>>> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
>>>> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
>>>> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
>>>> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
>>>> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>>>>        
>>>> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
>>>> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
>>>> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
>>>> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>>>>         
>>>> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
>>>> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
>>>> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
>>>> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
>>>> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
>>>> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
>>>> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
>>>> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
>>>> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
>>>> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
>>>> understand the principles of this.
>>>>   
>>>> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
>>>> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
>>>> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
>>>> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
>>>> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
>>>> of cause and effect.
>>>>    
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 3/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> Why thought as a creative energy?
>>>>    
>>>> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
>>>> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
>>>> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
>>>> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
>>>> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
>>>> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>>>>     
>>>> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
>>>> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
>>>> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
>>>> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
>>>> at the different feilds of frequency.
>>>>      
>>>> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
>>>> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
>>>> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
>>>> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
>>>> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
>>>> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
>>>> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
>>>> relationships.
>>>>       
>>>> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
>>>> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
>>>> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
>>>> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
>>>> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
>>>> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
>>>> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
>>>> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
>>>> very specific frequency.
>>>>        
>>>> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
>>>> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
>>>> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
>>>> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
>>>> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
>>>> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
>>>> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
>>>> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
>>>> at a very specific feild.
>>>>   
>>>> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
>>>> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
>>>> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
>>>> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
>>>> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
>>>> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
>>>> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
>>>> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
>>>> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
>>>> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
>>>> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
>>>> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
>>>> sensory experience with this energy system.
>>>>    
>>>> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>>>>     
>>>> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
>>>> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
>>>> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
>>>> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
>>>> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
>>>> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
>>>> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
>>>> hand.
>>>>      
>>>> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
>>>> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
>>>> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>>>>       
>>>> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
>>>> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
>>>> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
>>>> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
>>>> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
>>>> the first wheel being fashioned.
>>>>        
>>>> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
>>>> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
>>>> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
>>>> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
>>>> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
>>>> idea.
>>>>         
>>>> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
>>>> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
>>>> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
>>>> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
>>>> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
>>>> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
>>>> thought manifestation.
>>>>   
>>>>                          Till then,
>>>>                                   Ian Wilson
>>>>    
>>>> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
>>>> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
>>>> (604)-493-3455
>>>>     
>>>> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
>>>> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
>>>> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
>>>> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
>>>> is.
>>>>      
>>>> Ian Wilson
>>>>       
>>>>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: crystals
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>>>>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>>>>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>>>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>>>>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> HI!
>>>> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
>>>> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
>>>> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
>>>> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
>>>> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
>>>> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
>>>> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
>>>> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
>>>> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
>>>> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
>>>> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
>>>> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
>>>> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
>>>> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
>>>> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
>>>> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
>>>> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
>>>> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
>>>> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
>>>> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
>>>> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
>>>> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
>>>> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
>>>> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
>>>> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
>>>> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
>>>> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
>>>> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
>>>> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
>>>> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
>>>> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
>>>> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
>>>> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
>>>> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
>>>> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
>>>> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
>>>> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
>>>> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
>>>> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
>>>> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
>>>> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
>>>> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
>>>> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
>>>> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
>>>> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
>>>> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
>>>> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
>>>> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
>>>> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
>>>> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
>>>> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
>>>> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
>>>> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
>>>> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
>>>> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
>>>> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
>>>> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
>>>> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
>>>> [...]
>>>> --- FMail 0.92
>>>>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
>>>> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
>>>> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
>>>> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
>>>> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
>>>> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
>>>> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
>>>> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
>>>> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
>>>> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
>>>> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
>>>> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
>>>> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
>>>> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
>>>> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
>>>> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
>>>> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
>>>> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
>>>> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
>>>> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
>>>> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
>>>> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
>>>> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
>>>> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
>>>> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
>>>> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
>>>> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
>>>> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
>>>> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
>>>> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
>>>> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
>>>> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
>>>> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
>>>> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
>>>> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
>>>> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
>>>> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
>>>> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
>>>> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
>>>> ...
>>>> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
>>>> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
>>>> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
>>>> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
>>>> magnets glued onto it.....
>>>> ...
>>>> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
>>>> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
>>>> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
>>>> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
>>>> ...
>>>> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
>>>> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
>>>> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
>>>> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
>>>> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
>>>> ...
>>>> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
>>>> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
>>>> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
>>>> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
>>>> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
>>>> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
>>>> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
>>>> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
>>>> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>>>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   [snip]
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
>>>> result
>>>>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>>>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
>>>> of
>>>>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>>>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
>>>> them
>>>>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
>>>> side
>>>>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>>>>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>>>>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>>>>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>>>>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>>>>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>>>>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>>>>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>>>>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>>>>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>>>>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>>>>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>>>>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>>>>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>>>>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>>>>   | corrugated cardboard.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>>>>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>>>>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>>>>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>>>>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>>>>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>>>>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>>>>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>>>>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>>>>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>>>>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>>>>   | **Wow**!"
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>>>>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>>>>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>>>>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>>>>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>>>>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>>>>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>>>>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>>>>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>>>>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>>>>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>>>>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>>>>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>>>>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>>>>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>>>>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>>>>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>>>>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>>>>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>>>>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>>>>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>>>>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>>>>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>>>>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>>>>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>>>>   | of turns on the coils...
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>>>>   | Powell.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>>>>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>>>>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>>>>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>>>>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>>>>   | these laying around?
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>>>>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>>>>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>>>>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>>>>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>>>>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>>>>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>>>>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>>>>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>>>>   |
>>>>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>>>>   |
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
>>>> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
>>>> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
>>>> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
>>>> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
>>>> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
>>>> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
>>>> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
>>>> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
>>>> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
>>>> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
>>>> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
>>>> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
>>>> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
>>>> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
>>>> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
>>>> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
>>>> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
>>>> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
>>>> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
>>>> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
>>>> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
>>>> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
>>>> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
>>>> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
>>>> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
>>>> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
>>>> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
>>>> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
>>>> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
>>>> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
>>>> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
>>>> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>>>>
>>>> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog 
>>>>> will warp"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>>>>> individual rollers. Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>>>>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>>>>> molecular alignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>>>>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was 
>>>>> perpendicular again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>>>>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with 
>>>>> piezo electric mode...
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency 
>>>>> to visible light...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and 
>>>>>> catch
>>>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are 
>>>>>> partners and
>>>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a 
>>>>>> habbit of
>>>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been 
>>>>>> posted
>>>>>> to the Net during the course of the day. Since Joel works out of his
>>>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting 
>>>>>> results of
>>>>>> our discussions and project progress. What became obvious to me was
>>>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last 
>>>>>> summer
>>>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly 
>>>>>> conducted we
>>>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>>>> conversation instead of just one side. What I am saying is that Joel
>>>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred 
>>>>>> Geometry"
>>>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during 
>>>>>> which we
>>>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers. After I got back home I ran
>>>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating 
>>>>>> magnetic
>>>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary 
>>>>>> thrust
>>>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart 
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. 
>>>>>> Well
>>>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the 
>>>>>> extent
>>>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you 
>>>>>> will have
>>>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For 
>>>>>> you non
>>>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This 
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced 
>>>>>> is that
>>>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly 
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will 
>>>>>> have fun
>>>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>>>>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>>>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>>>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>>>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our 
>>>>>> findings
>>>>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is 
>>>>>> going on
>>>>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by 
>>>>>> believing
>>>>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel 
>>>>>> and I have
>>>>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>>>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit 
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix 
>>>>>> standing
>>>>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny 
>>>>>> bubbles in
>>>>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>>>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong 
>>>>>> magnetic
>>>>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>>>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our 
>>>>>> research fro
>>>>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins 
>>>>>> Pump unit
>>>>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>>>>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>>>> >>      To: All
>>>>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>>>> >> Lines: 139
>>>>>> >> [
>>>>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>>>> >> [
>>>>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 
>>>>>> 21, which
>>>>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> >> day:
>>>>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* 
>>>>>> that has
>>>>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum 
>>>>>> rotors on
>>>>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted 
>>>>>> material to
>>>>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he 
>>>>>> said. He
>>>>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that 
>>>>>> and this
>>>>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular 
>>>>>> feature of
>>>>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say 
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as 
>>>>>> Griggs
>>>>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand 
>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about 
>>>>>> his work
>>>>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, 
>>>>>> with only
>>>>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it 
>>>>>> knows
>>>>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>>>>> building one
>>>>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He 
>>>>>> showed
>>>>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially 
>>>>>> reduce
>>>>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even 
>>>>>> *some* I
>>>>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>>>>> forth his
>>>>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions 
>>>>>> made by
>>>>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth 
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly 
>>>>>> equipment. He is
>>>>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly 
>>>>>> in this
>>>>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent 
>>>>>> attorneys, he
>>>>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic 
>>>>>> Battery,"
>>>>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary 
>>>>>> Science"
>>>>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in 
>>>>>> places like
>>>>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the 
>>>>>> Tesla
>>>>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific 
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete 
>>>>>> experimental
>>>>>> >> results.
>>>>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this 
>>>>>> area of
>>>>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy) was shown. This had aired on 
>>>>>> FUJI TV
>>>>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong 
>>>>>> patent
>>>>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a 
>>>>>> paper
>>>>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth 
>>>>>> International
>>>>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco 
>>>>>> (April 9-13,
>>>>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several 
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a 
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that 
>>>>>> have been
>>>>>> >> seen.
>>>>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally 
>>>>>> videotaped. A
>>>>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, 
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are 
>>>>>> available..
>>>>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>>>> >> Technology.
>>>>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events 
>>>>>> at MIT
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>>>>> university. The
>>>>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received 
>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined 
>>>>>> forces and
>>>>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>>>>> Update,
>>>>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was 
>>>>>> distributed
>>>>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>>>>> Technology to
>>>>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>>>>> **reliable**
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>>>> >> finalized).
>>>>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing 
>>>>>> a paper
>>>>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is 
>>>>>> no longer
>>>>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New 
>>>>>> Hampshire. An
>>>>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>>>>> repeated
>>>>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program 
>>>>>> (1/20/95)
>>>>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>>>>> "Science
>>>>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene 
>>>>>> Mallove of
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and 
>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew 
>>>>>> what they
>>>>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that 
>>>>>> did not
>>>>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 
>>>>>> 59th
>>>>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy 
>>>>>> Age. A
>>>>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>>>> >> Washington.
>>>>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>>> >> >> Good stuff, no? Bert
>>>>>> >> 
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