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On 2/18/2019 9:39 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> This document by Joel McClain is key to your research and certainly 
> helped us reason out our projects.
>
> . 
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>   PHI&RES.ASC
>
>   THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RESONANCE AND PHI, AS DETERMINED BY
>   THE FIBONACCI SERIES OF NUMERALS
>
>   Joel McClain
>   April 26, 1994
>
>   Because the symbol PI is indeterminate, the Egyptians used PHI in 
> building
>   the pyramids.  They did this so that they could "square the circle", and
>   create a square base which contained the same area as a circle.
>
>   PHI simplifies the math required to square the circle, and is 
> expressed as
>   a constant of 1.618.  This has come to be known as the Golden Ratio.  To
>   learn more about the Golden Ratio, please refer to the book "Secrets 
> of the
>   Great Pyramid", by Peter Tompkins.
>
>   For the purpose of this paper, it is sufficient to know that this 
> ratio can
>   be very helpful in determining the true value in Hertz of notes on the
>   diatonic scale.  The standardized (1939) frequencies were accepted based
>   upon the sound preferences, as opposed to the PI or PHI relationship 
> of the
>   notes.
>
>   In  a  previous  paper,  I  extrapolated  the  harmonics  of 
> standardized
>   frequencies, proving the validity of Brown's Constant for determining
>   harmonic values.  However, this did not take into account the PHI 
> constant
>   from the Fibonacci Series, which gives us a more natural starting point.
>
>   Further, there exists a correlation with the Fibonacci Series, which 
> also
>   produces PHI, and which can be used for reference.  A Fibonacci 
> Series is a
>   list of numbers, where each number is equal to the sum of the two 
> previous
>   numbers.  For example, 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 is one such series.
>
>   If you divide a number by the previous number, such as 55/34, you get
>   1.618, the Golden Ratio.  As the numbers increase in value, the 
> ratio gets
>   closer to PHI.
>
>   We know from previous study that a note has its first harmonic at the
>   frequency of the note times the cube root of PI, which we have named
>   "Brown's Constant".  The numeric value of this is 1.3313.
>
>   Let's see how we can combine this with the Golden Ratio and with the
>   Fibonacci Series to create a diatonic scale that is based upon nature's
>   laws, as opposed to men's ears:
>
>   Start with the Fibonacci string of 144-233-377, and let's assign the 
> value
>   of 233 to the C note and you get,
>
>   WHOLE   FREQ    RATIO TO PHI                    HARMONIC @ FREQ
>   NOTE                                            TIMES BROWN'S CONSTANT
>
>   C       233     PHI @ 377/233                   310 (F)
>   D       263     CD RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          350 (G)
>   F       310     DF RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        413 (A)
>
>                                      Page 1
>
>
>
>
>
>   G       350     FG RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          466 (C)
>   A       413     GA RATIO = SQUARE OF PHI        550 (D)
>   C       466     AC RATIO = CUBE OF PHI          620 (F)
>
>   Now, we have frequencies which are balanced relative to each other, 
> as well
>   as based upon natural resonance.  To check your answers, relative to PI,
>   consider that PI = 4 DIVIDED BY THE SQUARE ROOT OF PHI, so PI = 
> 4/1.272 or
>   3.1447, based upon the 377/233 ratio
>
>   As with Brown's Constant, the numbers can vary, as long as the 
> proportions
>   are held constant.  In other words, if you start your scale with a 
> value of
>   377 instead of 233, and observe the same ratios, your chart will be as
>   viable as anyone else's.
>
>   Interestingly, the Fibonacci Series was understood by the Egyptians, and
>   has been mentioned as a means for deriving "Magic Squares", once again,
>   based upon the PHI ratio and relationship.
>
>   I would encourage researchers to learn more about PHI, and to use it for
>   resonance based designs, and to use the frequencies thus derived in 
> their
>   experiments.
>
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> On 2/18/2019 9:34 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Here is the file TIMDEVIC.ASC from the Keely Net as left by Jerry 
>> Decker. (RIP)
>>
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>> I spoke with Mr. Harris around 5PM today and he says he applied for a 
>> patent
>> on this device back in 1978 and it was rejected.  A Dr. Marion Bowman 
>> from
>> Washington travelled out to Mr. Harris' home to witness the operation 
>> of the
>> device.  He was amazed and returned to Washington enthusiastic about its
>> applications.  Shortly after this demonstration, all copies of the patent
>> application and other information subsequently disappeared from the 
>> Washington
>> Patent Office.  In addition, Mr. Stewart's home was broken into and his
>> original drawings, papers, applications and correspondence was stolen.
>>
>> Mr. Harris is disabled and has health problems which prevent him from 
>> actively
>> researching the device himself.  He tells me he built this thing in one
>> session as if it were inspired by some outside influence.  As noted 
>> in the
>> following document, the 'flapper' resulted from a dream that helped 
>> him solve
>> a perplexing problem with the device.  Stewart said the unit provides
>> tremendous force and he had to use the tinker toy wheels TO SLOW IT 
>> DOWN.  He
>> has not yet placed it in a rotating wheel or rotary track though he 
>> has no
>> doubt it will drive a wheel or magnet.
>>
>> I informed Stewart of John Searls' rotating magnets and his use of a 
>> circular
>> track with a cylindrical magnet placed horizontally on the track, 
>> wherein it
>> would start moving around the track on its own.  This is the very 
>> basis of the
>> Searl flying machine.  The same principle is used in the Hummel 
>> flying disk,
>> the Howard Johnson patent, the Troy Reed invention, the Gary magnetic 
>> motor
>> and several others.  So, there is AMPLE GROUND for the claims of Mr. 
>> Stewart
>> despite all the flames from those who live to create negative mischief.
>>
>> We here at KeelyNet will definitely experiment with the phenomenon 
>> and report
>> not only to Mr. Harris as per our discussion, but also to KeelyNet 
>> and our
>> many other associates and networkers.  If you choose to experiment 
>> with this
>> or a version of it, please share your results with us and with the 
>> inventor as
>> he has so kindly shared his work with us.......Thank you!........>>>  
>> Jerry
>>
>>             Also, I'd like to thank Glenda Stocks for sharing this
>>          fascinating file with the KeelyNet group and our associates!!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Theory of Magnetic Instability
>> A device by Stewart Harris
>>
>> Origin: XBN - 0004 - F:NSHIFTCP
>>   From: STEWART HARRIS
>>     To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>   Date: 01/04/95 at 19:10
>>     Re: VOLCANIC ACTIVITY
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  > Glenda:
>>
>>  > I have used this in the hopes I will not be out of line with regard to
>>  > crossposting information you expressed interest in with regard to my
>>  > device.
>>
>>  > What follows is postings on the device by others on RIME, Science. I
>>  > will put the headings on once, and then state who is posting for some
>>  > form of brevity.
>>
>>  > I must congratulate Judy Stein from New York as being both an 
>> observant
>>  > writer but quite good in describing what she received from me. I 
>> have a
>>  > videotape of my device in action, following by a video of the CNN 
>> report
>>  > I refer to wherein it shows NASA attempting to move a drop of 
>> water up a
>>  > single incline, and without success, it moving only halfway. I 
>> know why
>>  > it will not proceed further.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  > Conference: 28,SCIENCE
>>  > Date: 1994-06-22,14:36
>>  > From: JUDY STEIN
>>  > To: JIM GOODMAN
>>  > Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  > Let me use the terms "incline" and "decline" to refer to the two sides
>>  > of each of the two peaks in the demo box, the terms referring to what
>>  > the runner is doing when it traverses them (see diagrams).
>>
>>  > The runner has the general shape of a barbell. Two Tinkertoy 
>> wheels, one
>>  > on either end, are the bells. Something that resembles a roll of
>>  > Lifesavers strung on a rod forms the bar between the wheels--the
>>  > Lifesavers, I gather, are circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>>  > I'd guess about a quarter of an inch thick and an inch in 
>> diameter, and
>>  > there are eight or 10 of them strung on the rod. The Tinkertoy wheels
>>  > are about an inch and a half in diameter. The runner looks as though
>>  > it's about six inches long, total.
>>
>>  > Cross section view
>>
>>      runner starts here
>>          \|/
>>           |
>>         | |     /\            /\             |
>>         | |   /    \        /    \           |
>>         | | /        \    /        \         |
>>         | /            \/            \       |
>>         |-------------------------------     |
>>         |                                    |
>>         |                                  <--------- runner ends up here
>>         |____________________________________|
>>
>>  > The angles of incline and decline are considerably exaggerated in the
>>  > diagram. It looks to me as though the declines are shorter and more
>>  > steeply angled than the inclines; the inclines seem to be about 2.5"
>>  > long and at 25 degrees, while the declines are more like 1" long and
>>  > about 45 degrees (rough estimate). The height of the triangle 
>> looks like
>>  > about 3/4" or so.
>>
>>  > On either side of the track are two additional rolls of these circular
>>  > magnets (four in all), the rolls being at right angles to the 
>> magnets on
>>  > the runner. Each of the two rolls of magnets on either side is set 
>> at an
>>  > angle to match the angle of the inclines.
>>
>> Top view
>>
>>            |<--track-->|
>>      ____________|____________
>>      |  ___|     |      |___  |
>>      | |___|  (start)   |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|  incline   |___| <---------roll of magnets, positioned at
>>      | |___|            |___| |         the same angle as the slope of
>>      | |___|            |___| |         the incline
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|____________|___| |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |   decline  |   <-----------no magnets here, but not as much
>>      |     |            |     |         space between the rolls as I've
>>      |  ___|____________|___  |         shown
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|  incline   |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|            |___| |
>>      | |___|____________|___| |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |   decline  |     |
>>      |     |            |     |
>>      |     |____________|     |
>>      |        (finish)        |
>>      |________________________|
>>
>>  > The runner is positioned by hand at the bottom of the first 
>> incline (top
>>  > of the top-view diagram). When it is released, it moves rapidly up the
>>  > first incline, down the first decline, up the second incline, and down
>>  > the second decline. When it reaches the bottom of the second 
>> decline, it
>>  > simply falls down into the lower level of the box (bottom of the
>>  > top-view diagram).
>>
>>  > It's clear the runner is *released*, not given a push. It has to be
>>  > aligned correctly. My guess is the person aligning it feels a pressure
>>  > of the runner against his fingers when it's properly aligned. In the
>>  > demo, the person aligns it and then simply lays his finger on the 
>> rod to
>>  > keep it from moving, then removes his finger, and the runner starts to
>>  > move immediately.
>>
>>  > These diagrams are very crude. The demo itself is extremely crude--as
>>  > Stewart has said, it's a cardboard box with a lot of Scotch tape 
>> holding
>>  > things together.
>>
>> Stewart, you are right, she has done an excellent job of describing 
>> it, and
>> the diagrams are good also.  I will share this with the Keelynet BBS, 
>> as they
>> are usually interested in devices like yours.  If I get any feedback from
>> anyone, I will share it with you on the conferences.  I will 
>> reproduce the
>> remainder of your file here for the I_UFO conference (where we 
>> discuss UFO's
>> and New Science) and for other areas where I will share this information.
>> Let's hope that we will get feedback from other sources that will 
>> help us all
>> to understand the force(s) at work here.  :)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Following is a sample of Mr. Ken Stuckas accusing me of a hoax, and
>> eventually, fraud.
>>
>> This is part of what keeps me from doing a great deal with this.
>>
>> With no evidence of ill will on my part, Mr. Stuckas, a credentialed 
>> scientist
>> on several Science echos, simply attacks me out of, what, pique or with a
>> sense to destroy me. I intend to find out more about this later in a
>> courtroom, but for now it is simply interesting to note.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Harris device", Stewart Harris 
>> mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I 
>> create
>>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>>
>> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle that the 
>> device
>> is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going down 
>> hill. Mind
>> giving me the phone number of the commercial photographers who made 
>> the video?
>>
>> ***I supplied this for him, but he never called.
>>
>>  SH> As for sending a tape, being poor, unwilling to change that 
>> situation
>>  SH> by effort and disability, I am limited to sort of one tape a month,
>>  SH> (Cost about $15. Can't infringe on Helen's bingo money.) I am afraid
>>  SH> latecome and hostiles will have to wait a very, very long time.
>>
>> Oh, you aren't willing to make money off someone who understands 
>> science, huh?
>> You confuse skeptical criticism with hostility. How interesting. I 
>> don't think
>> it's ethical to use this echo to advertise a product, let alone one that
>> claims to violate the well-known and accepted laws of conservation of 
>> energy.
>> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain 
>> the the
>> U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate mail fraud.
>>
>> *** For the life of me I could not see how he translated an 
>> explanation of
>>     my poverty into a refusal to make money from him. And to do you 
>> see any
>>     effort at advertising? It was a science echo. And I have never 
>> made the
>>     claims he states; scientists have stated if my device worked it 
>> would do
>>     that. But that is not what I say because I don't even have the 
>> knowledge
>>     to know it in the first place.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,11:59
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Temporary energy stor 2/3
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 2/3", Stewart
>>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> So my first premise, that permanent magnets are a source of 
>> energy or
>>  SH> force, is correct according to what I read here. Yet you say 
>> permanent
>>  SH> magnets are not a source of energy. You seem to be supporting 
>> this by
>>  SH> saying that my device is doing no work, therefore no energy or force
>>  SH> is exerted.
>>
>>  SH> I am saying I cannot understand how a weight can be lifted to a 
>> height
>>  SH> without work or force being done and without any energy input.
>>
>> Replace your magnets with springs and you will see the problem. A 
>> compressed
>> spring has potential energy. I had to do work on the spring to load 
>> it with
>> the potential energy. That work came from an outside source. Once the 
>> spring
>> does work on some other system, I have to compress it again to get it do
>> repeat that work.
>>
>> A magnet and an iron bar separated by a distance possess potential 
>> energy just
>> as a coiled spring does. Once they come in contact with one another 
>> or just
>> get closer to one another I have to do work on them to separate them.
>>
>> *** As you can see from the drawings by Judy Stein, there is no 
>> 'contact with
>>     one another' and you will notice that the runner is close to the 
>> magnets,
>>     separated by wooden wheels, and they are never at any point along the
>>     route up and down the inclines in a position where they have to be
>>     'separated.' This is the common objection, the 'lines run 
>> perpendicular
>>     and result in only attraction/repulsion' approach of current 
>> science. I am
>>     demonstrating that the mass is moved parallel to the lines of 
>> force, there
>>     is no magnetic lock, and, therefore, no need for that 'extra work' to
>>     'separate and reset' the magnets or springs.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: KEN STUCKAS
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Temporary energy stor 3/3
>>
>>  -=> While eating a book entitled "Temporary energy stor 3/3", Stewart
>>  -=> Harris mumbled:
>>
>>  SH> Now as far as a weight being at a height, I seriously doubt there is
>>  SH> even a bad engineer or cannot work out some way to put that 
>> weight to
>>  SH> good use. Yet as I understand what I am being told, either I 
>> cannot do
>>  SH> what I say and I am lying, or lifting a mass to a height is not 
>> useful
>>  SH> and cannot have any benefit to mankind.
>>
>> How did that weight get to that height? You had to do work on it to 
>> get it
>> there, right? When the weight has fallen and, in the process, done 
>> work on
>> some system then I need to do work on the weight to lift it back up 
>> to that
>> height.
>>
>> You cannot violate the law of conservation of energy here in the world of
>> classical mechanics. I will absolutely guarantee you that in the 
>> device you
>> are demonstrating, the total potential energy plus the total kinetic 
>> energy
>> at the beginning is greater than the totals of those values at the 
>> end. You
>> have lost some small amount of energy through the heat of frictionand
>> aerodynamic drag.
>>
>> If the video you made seems to violate these principles then you have 
>> tilted
>> the device at such an angle so that the device operates by going down 
>> hill and
>> if you have deliberately and knowingly tilted the video camera at the 
>> same
>> angle to make the device appear level with the intent to decieve 
>> others, then
>> that's fraud.
>>
>> *** Again, since it cannot be true because it would violate his laws of
>>     physics, I must, then, be hoaxing the situation. This is also 
>> common in
>>     all rebuttals to new science or ufo technology. He says that if 
>> the video
>>     shows the mass as going up, then it must be going down because I 
>> had the
>>     photographer tilt it, making it appear level, and that is fraud. 
>> He later
>>     denies this.
>>
>>  SH> What is my goal? One is not scientific and not applicable in this
>>  SH> echo. The other, and the reason I got into this with you and others,
>>  SH> is to see if there is some way to explain what is being done without
>>  SH> running into the initial blocks I came across some 18 years ago;
>>  SH> namely, objection to the device because it will violate some 
>> physical
>>  SH> laws.
>>
>> Your only out is to appeal to those who believe in pseudoscience by 
>> claiming
>> the effect to lie in the domain of quantum electrodynamics. In that 
>> case I
>> refer you to Chapter 12 of the recent book by Murray Gell-Mann, the 
>> 1969 Nobel
>> laureate in physics "The Quark and the Jaguar." Chapter 12 is called 
>> "Quantum
>> Mechanics and Flapdoodle," which points out the errors of just about
>> everything that Judy Stein believes in.
>>
>>  SH> You and others put your fingers on what I consider to be a way out,
>>  SH> and I am only exploring that possibility now with what I propose to
>>  SH> build.
>>
>>  SH> If my flapper is successful, and I see no reason for it not to
>>  SH> succeed, then I believe that the downward, pendulum-like swing which
>>  SH> will bring the mass back into the track is a source of energy drawn
>>  SH> upon from outside the system, which would be perfectly normal and
>>  SH> would violate no laws.
>>
>> Your intuition is apparently unaffected by scientific understanding.
>>
>>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>>
>> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being deliberately
>> deceptive.
>>
>> *** Here, since I did complete the 'flapper' since this dialogue, it 
>> has gone
>>     more than one cycle, so I guess I am being deliberately 
>> deceptive. Now you
>>     see why I have no real wish to go further and show this to the world.
>>     Ken Stuckas is simply a clone for all the scientists who have 
>> ragged me
>>     for 19 years now. It is not worth it.
>>
>> *** Judy Stein rebuts some of the accusations of this being rigged, a 
>> hoax, an
>>     optical illusion, a fraud.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-06-30,17:19
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: ERIK FRANCIS
>> Subject: HARRIS DEVICE
>>
>>  EF>> Whether his device actually produces any "net work," I'm not
>>  EF>> qualified to say. But I'm cracking up at your "optical illusion"
>>  EF>> description. You'd have to actually see the demo to realize how
>>  EF>> hilarious that is.
>>
>>  EF> Keep in mind that unless one has direct three-dimensional access 
>> to a
>>  EF> device, optical illusions and tricks are always possible (or, 
>> rather,
>>  EF> much easier!). Not that this is the case; but it is always important
>>  EF> to realize that it might be.
>>
>> *** Mr. Francis is far more rational and polite, but there is the 
>> underlying
>>     inference that it could be something which one is not really 
>> saying. This
>>     is why I stopped sending out the tapes. Just more of a hoax, much 
>> as UFO
>>     tapes are hoaxes.
>>
>> I understand; this is certainly the case in theory. But I think if 
>> you were to
>> see the demo you'd realize why I said what I did.
>>
>> (Not that this addresses your objection, and it isn't what I'm 
>> referring to,
>> but on the demo tape the apparatus is shoved around by hand (with the 
>> camera
>> running) so you see it doing its thing from all angles, several 
>> complete runs
>> from each angle. There are also closeups, with the camera right on 
>> top of the
>> apparatus.)
>>
>> I don't quite know how to say this without sounding like I'm 
>> deprecating the
>> device, but it's really a rattletrap thing, like what a kid would throw
>> together. It wouldn't get any prizes at a high school science fair, 
>> it's too
>> messy, too crude. The *diagram* I posted here is more precise than 
>> the device.
>> I made neater dollhouses out of shirt cardboards when I was 10.
>>
>> *** Ms. Stein was right in one sense. It would not win a prize in a high
>>     school science fair. However, I must add that the son of a friend 
>> in Las
>>     Vegas, who has been to the house many times and played with the 
>> device,
>>     built a more suitable duplicate (Another reproduction I forgot to 
>> add to
>>     that of the two gentlemen in Fido Science), and he won his high 
>> school
>>     science fair, and was second in the State Science Fair here in 
>> Nevada.
>>     That young man was Michael Wood, Son of Dennis Wood who posts on 
>> several
>>     fido echos.
>>
>> It is really barking up the wrong tree to suggest Stewart is trying 
>> to pull a
>> fast one with this thing. I don't have any idea whether it's 
>> significant or
>> not, but it is whatever it is and not something pretending to be 
>> something
>> else.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,01:02
>> From: JIM HARFORD
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  . RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system 
>> with a .
>>  . RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be 
>> hard to .
>>  . RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point. .
>>
>> It would be hard to explain only if the potential energy (energy of 
>> position)
>> of the mass was entirely gravitational. Then potential energy would 
>> be exactly
>> proportional to height. But since part of the potential energy of the 
>> mass is
>> due to the magnetic field that simple relationship is destroyed and 
>> one can no
>> longer visually determine whether what Judy saw is something ordinary or
>> something extraordinary.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,21:02
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>>
>> This is correct. This is what I have seen as well.
>>
>>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is 
>> exactly at
>>  RF> the initial height?
>>
>> The exit point appears to be at the same height as the entrance point.
>> However, the device unfortunately terminates PRECISELY at the end of the
>> second hill, and it becomes difficult to judge how far and whether 
>> the roller
>> would have continued for any distance after the end of the device.  
>> At the end
>> of the device, the roller literally falls off the device onto the 
>> floor or a
>> waiting hand.
>>
>> *** This lack of movement at the end is strictly a matter of design. The
>>     duplicates made by other gentlemen do proceed far beyond the end, and
>>     there is even comment on this point as being one of the problems that
>>     science faces in explaining this, as is alluded to in the above 
>> comments.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-02,18:37
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris Device
>>
>>  RF> From Judy's diagram it appeared the mass exited your system with a
>>  RF> velocity at exactly the height it was started. It would be hard to
>>  RF> explain the kinetic energy of the mass at this point.
>>
>>  RF> Will the mass still have any velocity if the exit point is 
>> exactly at
>>  RF> the initial height?
>>
>> I can say, sight unseen, the runner could have appreciable velocity if it
>> exited HIGHER.
>>
>> You wouldn't be surprized if a wad of paper could shoot higher from 
>> an elastic
>> band, surely? Remember, if there's initial repulsion before the runner is
>> placed on the track, that's potential energy for the acceleration phase!
>>
>> *** This is the general objection to the continuous motion aspect of this
>>     device. The 'flapper' is designed to demostrate that this 
>> shortcuts the
>>     repulsion aspect of the Theory of Magnetic Instability I have put
>>     together; and this shows that the mass or runner can actually 
>> start from
>>     scratch without the impetus of any passage through a repulsion phase.
>>
>> I realize the PE is a function of height and distance from the magnets.
>>
>> Now, I don't know how those disk magnets are stacked. All in the same
>> direction? If the moving mass were magnetized one could stack the 
>> magnets to
>> first attract, then repel. Equivalent approximately to a parabolic 
>> gravity
>> well. A mass would accelerate to the bottom, then *nearly* reach the 
>> top at
>> the other side.
>>
>> *** Notice "nearly". Yet my runner does not nearly reach the upper 
>> apex, it
>>     is accelerating at that point. Accelerating, so it is gaining 
>> momentum.
>>
>> Add another force, gravity, and one can distort the well by adjusting the
>> curve of the track.
>>
>> *** Here is one of my problems with this whole affair. Is gravity an 
>> energy
>>     input or a force which is never consumed. If the latter, then COE 
>> does not
>>     apply at all. Is any gravity used up when all objects fall. When 
>> a plane
>>     flies, is gravity an input or a force. Thrust is required to overcome
>>     gravity. I wonder why, when my mass is moved uphill against 
>> gravity, no
>>     work is being done similar to the thrust of an airplane engine. 
>> So what is
>>     the engine? It must be the magnets. But my magnets still work the 
>> same as
>>     they did 19 years ago.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  SH> Never thought that, and it would not matter! You have not called 
>> me a
>>  SH> fool, at least. Perhaps that is because neither of us is an expert.
>>  SH> Only an expert can tell you the runner does not do what you see. 
>> I am
>>  SH> used to it.
>>
>> I have seen the videotape, and I see it does what you are saying.
>>
>> I would, however, like to know how the magnets are arranged along the 
>> track.
>> For, having seen the device, I am sure I can buy a bunch of magnets and
>> construct a similar device. Perhaps even make one that is a bit better in
>> terms of efficiency and arrange so that the output of one such device 
>> leads
>> into the input of the other, and then repeat the output of the latter 
>> into the
>> input of the first. A closed loop.
>>
>> For, science requires repeatability, and if you can get someone else 
>> to repeat
>> what you have done, independently, then that shows something.
>>
>> *** The same argument made by gentlemen on Fido Science. And it was 
>> reproduced
>>     and the exact same suggestions were made with regard to putting 
>> it into a
>>     closed loop. That is what the new dream "from my aliens" showed 
>> me how to
>>     do with a great deal less expense than my own ideas. I have not 
>> pursued
>>     this with Mr. Silverman because I had given up by then. It was 
>> the new
>>     dream about the 'flapper' which brought me bck to life.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>>
>>  BW> Stewart, I believe you have given a moderate and up front account of
>>  BW> your interesting machine.
>>
>>  BW> You have never claimed perpetual motion for it, nor even long
>>  BW> continued action.
>>
>> But because a closed loop could be constructed by joining output and 
>> inputs of
>> 2 such devices, it certainly implies it.
>>
>>  BW> I believe I understand the operating principle of your device: I
>>  BW> believe you provide energy in placing the runner into its
>>  BW> energetically favorable starting position.
>>
>>  BW> You can easily test for this initial repulsion that must be 
>> overcome.
>>  BW> You probably cannot even FEEL the force you are providing - a basis
>>  BW> for your puzzlement, I'm sure.
>>
>>  BW> But if you will suspend the runner on two long threads of 
>> cotton, say
>>  BW> 24 inches long each, and GRADUALLY approach the runner to its 
>> starting
>>  BW> position on the track, you will find that the runner pushes back 
>> from
>>  BW> its starting position, until it gets quite close, then it starts to
>>  BW> pull forward. You will see the cotton suspension leans a little from
>>  BW> the vertical.
>>
>> And how owuld this initial imparting of energy carry the device over 
>> the 2
>> inclines?
>>
>> *** Notice the interesting question by Mr. Silverman at the end. The
>>     proposition by Mr. Whatcott was done by me many, many years ago. 
>> And this
>>     is exactly what disproves that repulsion is not the initiating 
>> impetus.
>>     And Mr. Silverman's question is exactly what bothers me, in that 
>> I can say
>>     what it is, but it will not make scientists very happy. TOMI, the 
>> Theory
>>     of Magnetic Instability.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,15:52
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device 1/2
>>
>>  SH> I tried very hard to remove my finger in a "backward movement" to
>>  SH> avoid the impression it was being pushed.
>>
>> Indeed, that's quite noticeable on the tape. Once you have the runner in
>> position, you lay your forefinger over the center of the runner, then 
>> release
>> it by drawing your finger back until it no longer contacts the runner, at
>> which point the runner immediately starts moving forward. It's clear your
>> finger is holding it back rather than pushing it forward.
>>
>> *** Interesting only to head off beliefs I push the runner at the initial
>>     point of takeoff.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,13:03
>> From: ISRAEL SILVERMAN
>> To: KEN STUCKAS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle 
>> that the
>>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>>  KS> down hill.
>>
>> Of course, the people standing around while the device is being 
>> operated and
>> moved around, since they appear to be standing straight up with 
>> respect to the
>> device, must have also modified the law of gravity. I don't think 
>> shifting the
>> device and camera will act to change the gravity vector.
>>
>>  KS> If you mail these tapes, now you are putting yourself in the domain
>>  KS> the the U.S. Postal Service which has the authority to investigate
>>  KS> mail fraud.
>>
>> As you probably don't recall, he said he didn't mail often since he 
>> didn't
>> want to take money, and it cost him moeny to make and send.
>>
>> *** Even I do not have todefend against fraud, as those who have seen 
>> the tape
>>     will attest to my integrity.
>>
>> *** What follows is a description of the NSA experiment I refer to.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-04,15:56
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: STEWART HARRIS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  SH> I would love for you to give a comparably lucid description on the
>>  SH> NASA experiment which I included on that tape.
>>
>> It shows a closeup view of what appear to be a series of drops of water
>> falling onto an inclined plane (about 10-15 degrees?), inclined from 
>> left to
>> right. The drops fall one by one from some kind of nozzle that's 
>> right above
>> the plane, close enough to it so the bottom of the drop touches the plane
>> before the top detaches from the nozzle.
>>
>> The instant the bottom of the water drop touches the plane, it begins 
>> to move,
>> slowly as long as it's still attached to the nozzle, then with a burst of
>> speed when the top breaks free.
>>
>> Then there is an edit in the film, and the camera has apparently moved
>> slightly to the right. We see a drop moving very slowly up the plane, 
>> then
>> suddenly going faster, then slower again. The nozzle is no longer in the
>> frame, but presumably it's *just* outside the left of the frame, so the
>> increase in speed is, again, what happens when the top of the drop 
>> breaks free
>> of the nozzle. But then after that initial acceleration, the drop 
>> slows down
>> again as it moves out of the frame to the right.
>>
>> The drop looks a bit peculiar after it's left the nozzle; it looks 
>> like a lens
>> (like a football flattened longitudinally) rather than a water drop 
>> (in other
>> words, the bottom of the drop does not appear to lie flat on the 
>> plane but is
>> rather turned up at the ends, the side view making it look as though 
>> they're
>> pointed), but that must be a distortion of the camera view.
>>
>> I can't tell how large the droplets are, so it's hard to say how fast the
>> drops are moving or how great a distance they travel. In the second 
>> shot, with
>> the nozzle out of the frame, it takes the drop about 7 seconds to 
>> move from
>> the left of the frame (it starts partially inside the frame) to the 
>> right and
>> disappear out of the frame. The motion, again, in this shot is 
>> slow-fast-slow.
>> The acceleration and period of top speed is only about a second.
>>
>> I can't tell for sure, but it looks to me as though *just* as the drop is
>> disappearing out of the frame to the left, it speeds up again slightly.
>>
>> If the drops are what I think of as "normal sized," i.e., what comes 
>> out of my
>> faucet when it's leaking drop by drop, I would guess the distance the 
>> drop in
>> the second camera shot traverses is maybe three-quarters of an inch or
>> slightly less.
>>
>> 'Zat what you wanted??
>>
>>  SH> I am changing course and trying to get a local plastic company 
>> to make
>>  SH> the flapper. And I have a great idea for a toy: Look at the drawings
>>  SH> of the hamster wheel. Can you imagine a track on the outside rim of
>>  SH> the wheel, covered by decorations, with chairs suspended a la a 
>> ferris
>>  SH> wheel?
>>
>> Sounds neat. I wish I had a kid to play with it!
>>
>>  SH> Maybe even a large wheel using no input other than the 
>> "lifesavers." I
>>  SH> love that, Judy. It's the most clear but most amusing description I
>>  SH> have heard about this in 18 years.
>>
>> I'm surprised nobody has come up with it so far; it seemed fairly 
>> obvious...
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: JUDY STEIN
>> To: KEN STUCKAS
>> Subject: Harris device
>>
>>  SH> I did not understand what the gentleman said myself. How can I 
>> create
>>  SH> an optical illusion in a video studio under the eyes of commercial
>>  SH> photographers with cardboard and scotch tape.
>>
>>  KS> Easy. You just ask them to tilt the camera at the same angle 
>> that the
>>  KS> device is tilted to disguise the fact that the whole thing is going
>>  KS> down hill. Mind giving me the phone number of the commercial
>>  KS> photographers who made the video?
>>
>> You didn't take the trouble to read any of the earlier posts 
>> describing the
>> device, including my detailed description, with diagrams, of what is 
>> seen in
>> the demo tape. Yet you're willing to accuse Stewart of possible fraud 
>> when you
>> don't even have a clear mental image of what it is we're talking about.
>>
>> With the camera running, the box, which rests on a table, is shoved 
>> around
>> from one position to another so that the camera can film repetitions 
>> of the
>> action at all angles. To continuously adjust the tilt--not just of 
>> the box but
>> of the table, the walls of the room, and Stewart himself, much of 
>> whose body
>> is visible standing beside the table as he turns the box around and 
>> positions
>> the runner--to maintain the deceptive angle, you'd need a room-turning
>> mechanism far more elaborate and precise than that used to film Fred 
>> Astaire's
>> famous dance on the ceiling.
>>
>> I don't know how you'd calibrate it even so, because the box is 
>> shoved around
>> the way you'd thrust a cereal box at your breakfast companion sitting 
>> across
>> the table from you. Stewart is not a dancer, and moreover he has a 
>> gross hand
>> tremor.  And the camera is hand-held, not steady at all.
>>
>>  KS> yourself in the domain the the U.S. Postal Service which has the
>>  KS> authority to investigate mail fraud.
>>
>> Ken, this is just off the wall. You just breezed in for one of your 
>> infrequent
>> visits, and you have no idea what has been said previously. Stewart 
>> doesn't
>> charge for the tapes. He's telling you he only sends out tapes when 
>> he can
>> afford to pay for them out of his own pocket. Earlier someone offered to
>> reimburse him for a copy, and he flatly refused. You want a copy, get 
>> on his
>> list to receive it free, but it seems there are a few folks ahead of you.
>>
>> You owe him an abject apology. On several different counts.
>>
>>  KS> same angle to make the device appear level with the intent to 
>> decieve
>>  KS> others, then that's fraud.
>>
>> What if it's not going downhill?
>>
>> *** Mr. Stuckas and many others worry about Mr. Silverman's question 
>> quite a
>>     bit. It is just this which makes me go on. Otherwise, I would not 
>> bother
>>     any longer.
>>
>>  SH> As to how long it will continue to operate, I don't know.
>>
>>  KS> It will operate for exactly one cycle unless you are being
>>  KS> deliberately deceptive.
>>
>> In the demo, it operates for two cycles (which is all the demo device 
>> has on
>> it). Stewart is referring to how many two-cycle runs it will do over 
>> time.
>> There are something like 15 or 20 on the demo tape.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: RON FREIMUTH
>> To: JUDY STEIN
>> Subject: Harris Device
>>
>>  RF> Do you know what magnetic material is in the runner?
>>
>>  JS> They're flat circular magnets with a hole in the middle,
>>
>>  > strung on the runner's "axle" like a roll of Lifesavers. Stewart said
>>  > elsewhere these magnets are available at Radio-Shack. Looks like
>>
>> Yeah, got that from Brian, too.
>>
>> This means the runner can be attracted or repelled by other magnets. One
>> effect is that the hills can be effectively moved zerbelow o height, 
>> as far as
>> potential energy goes.
>>
>> One needs put only enough energy into the system to overcome friction.
>>
>> *** This post caused me to wonder what happened to overcoming the 
>> force of
>>     gravity going up the declines?
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-18,18:31
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: RON FREIMUTH
>> Subject: Harris Device 1/2
>>
>>  RF> OK, I wasn't aware the runner had magnets. Bet one has to supply 
>> work
>>  RF> to get it in position. The energy then runs the device through
>>
>> Interesting: he said that if you approach the track at more than 45 
>> degrees
>> from above, you don't see repulsion. I guess that maximum repulsion 
>> is felt
>> from 45 degrees low....
>>
>> *** Here is the crux of the 'flapper.' There is no repulsive effect 
>> above 45
>>     degrees, not low. And the work supplied to get it into position 
>> is gravity
>>     at work. Then, since gravity is not a source of energy, and the 
>> magnets
>>     are doing all the work, there is no new input. If you consider 
>> gravity a
>>     source of energy, then COE is shoved out the window. It is a 
>> paradox which
>>     needs answering.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: JIM GOODMAN
>> To: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  BW> (Believe it or not, there are no known perpetual motion machines.
>>  BW> Sorry!)
>>
>> shucks, you caught me stirring the pot. I don't believe that Stewart 
>> Harris
>> has designed a pmm either, but he may have found another force. I'm 
>> betting on
>> some magnetic like force. see the Newman device discussion.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-22,09:51
>> From: JIM GOODMAN
>> To: JUDY STEIN
>> Subject: MAGLEV DEVICES
>>
>> [Harris device]
>>
>>  JS> I'm not really even all that clear on what the *problem* is with it.
>>
>> tanstaafl:there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
>>
>> this means that there is no perpetual motion machine. something has 
>> to power
>> it. I'm interested in finding out what (force) makes the device run.  
>> Nobody
>> believes that a static magnet will make a mass speed up slightly,
>> indefinitely. a magnet will reduce friction (meglev), but not power 
>> anything.
>>
>> Jim
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-07-29,09:25
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: JIM GOODMAN
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  JG> following a magnetic track is simple. But both Harris and Newman 
>> have
>>  JG> reported the device operates indefinitely. It is a source of energy.
>>  JG> The
>>
>> As far as I could see, Stewart NEVER claimed his machine operated
>> 'indefinitely'.
>>
>> My understanding is, he claimed
>>
>> 1) His machine operated 'repeatedly' over an extended period of 
>> years, with no
>>    loss of vigor over the one two or three 'hills' he arranged.
>>
>> 2) When arranged in a circle, his runner on rare occasions could 
>> reach and
>>    pass its starting point.
>>
>> 3) He hoped that by suitably transporting the runner back to its start
>>    position, he could make the action repetitive ( a surely forlorn 
>> hope...)
>>
>> *** Notice the lament. It is catching. I really don't want to even 
>> present the
>>     evidence, since it will disrupt so many people from their lifetime
>>     beliefs. It is not worth it at all to create disruption. I was 
>> proud of
>>     this in one sense: no pollution and no possible harm to people. 
>> It does
>>     not seem that that is true any longer.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: 1994-08-02,16:47
>> From: BRIAN WHATCOTT
>> To: JIM GOODMAN
>> Subject: Maglev Devices
>>
>>  JG> crosses the surface. I guess that the surface did not enclose all of
>>  JG> the energy sources (sun) that the Harris device uses. Therefore the
>>  JG> system is open and all bets are off. One of the sources of 
>> energy from
>>  JG> the sun is a pumped magnetic field.
>>
>> I postulate that the resistance that the runner encounters on 
>> approaching the
>> start of the track is the source of its motive power.
>>
>> *** Another iteration of the standard objection. But the 'flapper' 
>> does not
>>     run the runner in a position where it ever encounters resistance or
>>     'repulsion.' Eliminating that is the purpose of the 'flapper.' 
>> Then what
>>     comes next. I only offer this as references for answer which will 
>> come if
>>     I put the 'flapper' into public view.
>>
>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>>
>> I hope this has been of some help and will answer some of your 
>> questions as to
>> what it is and why I no longer go on any science echos.
>>
>> The 'flapper' has existed. I make that clear. It was destroyed twice. 
>> Once in
>> cardboard version; once in Tinkertoy version. A new one is being built in
>> sturdy plastic, which should be able to resist the violent forces at 
>> work.
>>
>> The increase in force is due to removing the wheels as explained in the
>> description of the demo, then placing the runner in an enclosed 
>> container, but
>> which allows it it move from one end to the other freely; and then 
>> bringing
>> the container closer to the tracks. Al this combines to increase the 
>> speed
>> geometrically, it seems, until it very hard to catch the movement of the
>> runner.
>>
>> This is one source of the violence, when it climbs the incline of the 
>> seesaw
>> with the weight shifting from the low apex to the top. Of necessity, 
>> it must
>> be stopped and that meant it is locked in and hits the end of the 
>> container
>> every time it climbs of the incline. The acceleration is tremendous 
>> and it
>> hits that wall with quite a bit of force. It knocked the ends off my 
>> cardboard
>> model and simply shot out the tube/container.
>>
>> Then there is the downward swing of the pendulum which brings the 
>> mass back
>> into the influence of the track without that famous passage through any
>> repulsion field or resistance field which is alleged to be the energy 
>> input.
>> When it does enter the track, try to envision a change in direction:
>>
>>              \
>>             ___\
>>
>> which is quite radical and necessitates the entire frame be very, 
>> very sturdy
>> and rigid. (It is ironic that the device is subject to such 
>> tremendous forces
>> which seem to be destructive, when at the same time scientists claim 
>> it is
>> losing so much energy that it will stop. If it stops, it will be 
>> because of a
>> buildup of force rather than a depletion, I believe.)
>>
>> Well, this is it, the total of what I can get out. I hope it helps 
>> you. I have
>> asked my sysop to pick up I-UFO.
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>> On 2/18/2019 8:53 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/18/2019 8:32 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/zoMk0estzXc    The TIMDIVIC as discussed on the old KeelyNet BBS  was a magnet runner track device that used the Orthagonal Magnet flux interaction that mimiced the Sacred Geometry Theory of the Vesica Pieces as shown in the video.   Yes, the device was a rip off of the Searle magnet roller System.  The dialog of the development of this system is hundreds of pages of dialog from the 1995 BBS of which I captured.
>>>>
>>>> See:      ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10870                                  DATE/TIME: 01/24/95 00:22
>>>> >From   : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hello, all:
>>>> Regarding the system described in this file, my own crude experiments
>>>> show that the system works to the degree that it will accelerate the
>>>> runner from zero velocity ( and no input force ) over several ramps (
>>>> POSITIVE change in potential energy, PE ) via magnetic rails.
>>>> The key to this system's motion seems to be the use of attract forces
>>>> of the magnet to "pull" where needed, but then the earth's gravity to
>>>> break free from the magnet to "reset " the system subset. It must
>>>> break free or it will oscillate between the magnetic poles and reach
>>>> equillibrium. The sytem in this file uses a ramp to point the gravity
>>>> vector in the proper direction.
>>>> ..
>>>> Momentuum also plays a role in getting the "use " of the
>>>> gravitational force....hard to explain without sckketches.....
>>>> ..
>>>> I would like to know if anyone else has toyed with this design, as it
>>>> does not seem overly complex, and I feel that I am most likely
>>>> overlooking a subtlty ety that .......It
>>>> is interesting how the runner, being orthogonal to the two rails, is
>>>> able to sustain linear motion, and the goeometry cancels the torques
>>>> generated by two bar magnets out of parallel.....
>>>> ..
>>>> Help anyone?
>>>> ..
>>>> norm ( no, the other one )
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10916                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:13
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) Timedevice
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I built one tonite and it does exactly as described...a
>>>> cleaner construction with a guided pathway will make it run more better
>>>> and I think the alternately opposed tracks would work as
>>>> described...will clean it up some and try the alternate track thingy
>>>> for the next meeting....interesting principle, though a bit ragged in
>>>> the initial form...>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10917                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:17
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC Works
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  Well, I did what you did and whupped one of those TMIDEVIC
>>>> things together tonight...it works just as described, most interesting
>>>> and I see why he needs the decline right after the top of the magnets
>>>> are reached...No doubt with a bit more refined construction such as a
>>>> smoother roller setup and a guided pathway, this dog'll hunt!
>>>> However, from what I can see of how the thing operates I think the
>>>> hamster cage apparatus won't work as first thought....but it leads to
>>>> some interesting speculations....I will let you know anything else that
>>>> comes of it designwise....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10918                                  DATE/TIME: 01/25/95 23:20
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Refer 10917
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Glenda!  Just wanted to let you know that Norman C. and I both have
>>>> duplicated the TMIDEVIC that you shared with KeelyNet and it does as
>>>> described....very simple, yet intriquing...will let you know what comes
>>>> out of it as to alternative designs and that includes Stewart
>>>> Harris...thanks for passing it along....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 10930                                  DATE/TIME: 01/26/95 05:38
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> To     : NORMAN COMPARINI
>>>> Subject: (R) Magnet drive
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  As to getting power out of it, I have not even considered
>>>> that aspect because the thing has not proven unity, itself...if that
>>>> circular or U track allows it to run around powered exclusively from
>>>> the magnetic repulsion, then maybe a different geometry might be worth
>>>> trying....I agree with you....something I noticed on mine...the more
>>>> magnets I added to the sideways stack, the less overall force it
>>>> had....20 magnets per side seems to give about the greatest thrust
>>>> using a 10 magnet roller...that is an odd phenomenon that I don't
>>>> understand at this point...any ideas on why the force would seem to
>>>> weaken??  All I can think of is the longer magnet causes the field
>>>> lines to be more separated and thus weaker...>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 10996                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 09:57
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMI Plans
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>>> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>>   
>>>> The magnets are Radio Shack part number 64-1885, normally 39 cents
>>>> each, but on sale now for 15 cents each.  It costs $8.89, incl. the
>>>> sales tax, to buy the required 50 magnets.  You will also need tape,
>>>> 48 pennies, and a piece of corrugated cardboard.  It takes about
>>>> 30 minutes to put it together.  You can either use a magnetic compass
>>>> or "trial and error" to get the magnets into position.
>>>>   
>>>> Cut a piece of cardboard 8 1/2 inches by 6 1/4 inches.  Fold it so
>>>> that each "up ramp" is three inches long, and each "down ramp" is
>>>> 1 1/4 inches long.  Under the peak of each up ramp you will need
>>>> support, so tape together two stacks of pennies, six in each stack,
>>>> and put a stack under the middle top of each up ramp.
>>>>   
>>>> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a result
>>>> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>>> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides of
>>>> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>>> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set them
>>>> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the side
>>>> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>>   
>>>> If you are using a compass, the magnetic alignment will be:
>>>>   
>>>> second down ramp
>>>>   
>>>> N             S  second
>>>>                     up
>>>> S             N  ramp
>>>>           
>>>> first down ramp
>>>>   
>>>> N             S  first
>>>>                     up
>>>> S             N  ramp
>>>>   
>>>>       S N         runner
>>>>   
>>>> The height of each ramp from the table top will be 9/16 inch, which is
>>>> the height of the six penny stack plus the thickness of the cardboard.
>>>> If you experiment with this and get better results with your own
>>>> methods, please share the information.
>>>> As Mr. Rogers might say, "Can you say MONOPOLE?"
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11003                                  DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Jerry:  I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor perform
>>>> and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make it into a
>>>> continous running motor.  "HOT".  Everyone will jump right on this one
>>>> for it has so many- many applications.  When kids drag this little
>>>> experiment to school and show it to their science teachers they will
>>>> simply go "NUTS".  Ha! Ha!  Next thing will be a run on Radio Shack
>>>> magnets, and their computer was go crazy trying to figure out where
>>>> this demand came from for magnets that last week they could not give
>>>> away.  Well to put it this way they put them on sale for they were
>>>> moving too slow.Sounds sort of like we were all buying parts for the
>>>> "Lee Trippett" circuit.  tHEY PROBABLY NEVER FIGURED OUT THAT DEMAND
>>>> CURVE ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEM EITHER.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11019                                  DATE/TIME: 01/29/95 12:41
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMI..and thanks!
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Glenda,
>>>>   
>>>> Actually, Stewart Harris and you did the favor for US by sharing
>>>> his ideas here...I'd like to know more about stewart's Theory of
>>>> Magnetic Instability.  It's intriguing because, although the poles
>>>> of the magnets are aligned for a net repulsion, Stewart sees some
>>>> other definition of the forces at play.  His definition works, as
>>>> opposed to that of his detractors, who apparently in their frus-
>>>> tration and desperation, have chosen to question him, instead of
>>>> actually building and analyzing the working device.
>>>>   
>>>> Magnets are holographic and like holograms, maintain their image
>>>> memory in tiny molecule-sized fractal pieces.  The forces which
>>>> create magnets force the substrate to simultaneously expand and
>>>> contract, then "freeze" the energy/matter into an imbalance.  Mag-
>>>> nets are, I believe, in a constant state of energy collapse, which
>>>> is why they "attract" materials which have molecular structures which
>>>> "resemble" their own.  As with any hologram, we see the effect, not
>>>> the 3-space reality.
>>>>   
>>>> Stewart has been able to see and comprehend the reality, where science
>>>> has, by definition, limited itself to the (measurable) effect...and
>>>> it misses the boat.  The "instability" part of Stewart's theory would,
>>>> I think, bridge the gap for us, if he will be kind enough to share it.
>>>> Stewart is a seeker (and sharer) of truth...he has friends here.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11044                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 12:36
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: All aboard!!
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> The TMIDEVIC can be laid out as a "train track", and the "runner"
>>>> can be placed anyplace within that track, and it will move forward.
>>>> As it moves, it gains speed.  I suspect that with a long enough track
>>>> and low enough surface tension, it might attain high velocity.
>>>>   
>>>> The implications of this are enormous for rail transportation, far
>>>> superior to the "mag-lev" designs currently being built in Japan and
>>>> Germany.  While there may still be a need for generators on TMI type
>>>> trains, for air conditioning, etc., the actual drive power is zero.
>>>> Small electromagnets could be used on the train for acceleration and
>>>> braking.
>>>>   
>>>> For the "return trip", just reverse the magnets on the train.  So much
>>>> more can be done...this is just one example.  Converting the magnetic
>>>> fields into circular rotation as Stewart Harris did can begin to
>>>> eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels.  Mass transportation can be
>>>> much cheaper than ever thought possible.
>>>>   
>>>> The same principles will allow the electrical power that is needed to
>>>> be generated without any type of fuels.  Regardless of what is said
>>>> today, I suspect that Mr. Harris will be remembered by history.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11048                                  DATE/TIME: 01/30/95 14:08
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>   
>>>> Look at the TMIDEVIC again...the round magnets have torus shaped
>>>> fields.  The 90 degree relationship between the runner and the rails
>>>> creates intersections at vesica pisces coordinates, which creates
>>>> a vortical energy flow on both ends of the runner, and the energy
>>>> increases as the number of intersections increases with the speed
>>>> of the runner.  This dog can warp.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11077                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:43
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- PRIVATE --    -- RECEIVED --  
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN (FORWARDED)
>>>> Subject: Rollin', rollin', rollin' down de river
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: The following message was originally addressed to JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>>        and was forwarded to you by Bert Pool on 01/31/95 at 09:50
>>>>                               --------------------
>>>> Joel,
>>>> I'm not going to be able to build one of the roller magnet thingies for
>>>> quite some time yet.  I've got those little round magnets stuck all
>>>> over the inside of the cab of my truck, and my main observation is that
>>>> they suck (or maybe don't suck enough?).  They are pitifully weak!
>>>> I've not seen ads for neodymium magnets in this shape, but I bet they
>>>> are made.  What would this thing do with neo mags, say about 50 times
>>>> more powerful than what you are currently using?  Would it lock up, or
>>>> would it go ballistic?  If you are getting positive results with these
>>>> wimpy magnets, it might be very worth while to test with doughnut neos.
>>>>   I volunteer $25.00 toward purchase of these neos, if a source can be
>>>> found.   >> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> essage 11083                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 11:18
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: TMI Geometry
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> I'd suggest using the cheap magnets at first, until you decide how
>>>> you want to construct your project.  Magnetism is secondary to
>>>> geometry, and it is a matter of scale, not of effect.  The effect
>>>> is the same.  Even the weak magnets will accelerate uphill and
>>>> break the attraction at the top.  PHI is the key, and it is constant
>>>> regardless of the (relative) strength of the magnets.
>>>>   
>>>> It is in the overlap of the fields where vesica pisces forms, and this
>>>> is the PHI coordinate, where the same etheric energy which causes
>>>> particle spin will rotate the magnets.  TMI applies sacred geometry
>>>> in a way which utilizes etheric energy and that is why it violates
>>>> the "known" laws of physics.  TMI also shows us how to end our need
>>>> for fossil and nuclear fuels.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ======================================================================
>>>> Message 11084                                  DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 12:08
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: Rollin'
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>> Does the device accelerate the entire length of the track?
>>>> If so, is the acceleration linear or exponential?
>>>> I have a circuit that should allow us to measure the velocity at any
>>>> desired point.  If the acceleration is exponential, then a relatively
>>>> short track should allow acceleration of this device to absolutely
>>>> incredible speeds.  If acceleration is linear, then a relatively short
>>>> track should allow acceleration to "only" incredible speeds.  I know
>>>> the device as shown in the plans uses ramps.  Will the mobile part
>>>> accelerate on a track with no ramps?  If so, the acceleration should be
>>>> higher on a flat track v.s. a ramped track.  Comments?
>>>> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>   > Message 11003
>>>>   > DATE/TIME: 01/28/95 18:49
>>>>   > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>   > To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>>   > Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>>   > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>   
>>>>   > Jerry: I went out to Joel's and looked at his magnetic motor
>>>>   > perform and we discussed at least a dozen possibilities to make
>>>>   > it into a continuous running motor. "HOT".
>>>>   
>>>> [...]
>>>>   
>>>> ******************************** I offer:
>>>>   
>>>> Actually, I had heard that Radio Shack was going to discontinue this
>>>> line of magnets. But they are available from most magnet
>>>> manufacturers, and in greater variations of strengths. I have had
>>>> models which constantly lift a runner which weighs about a pound.
>>>>   
>>>> As for the kids and schools and science teachers, this TMI device
>>>> has already won a Clark County Science Fair for a 14-year-old boy,
>>>> and he almost won the State prize but got a bit uppity with the
>>>> judges and ended up second. Plus, he got uppity because the judges
>>>> neither understood what it was nor believed it was not a sham.
>>>>   
>>>> [...]
>>>>   
>>>> Thanks again for your assistance. It seems my PMM devices will
>>>> become realities in the very near future. I don't know what the
>>>> science world will do. They forecast doom if I am right, yet I am
>>>> certain they will exert their outer limits of flexibility and come
>>>> to some consensus acceptable to all. I hope so. I certainly never
>>>> meant any harm to scientists or science; and I find it ridiculous
>>>> for anyone to believe I, one person, could do any harm.
>>>>   
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Stewart Harris
>>>>   
>>>> Internet:[email protected]
>>>> Internet:[email protected]
>>>> Las Vegas - Home of High Rollers, Aliens and the Good Life
>>>>              and Continuous Motion!!
>>>> ... All things are difficult before they are easy.
>>>>   * TLX v4.00 *
>>>> --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#31)
>>>>   * Origin: Vegas PlayGround BBS * LV, NV * 24 Nodes * (1:209/276)
>>>>   
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11103                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:02
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Message for Bill Teague
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>   
>>>> Life is based upon only two number sequences: binary and PHI, or
>>>> Fibronacci.  Every bone in every vertebrate has a PHI relationship
>>>> with a connecting bone.  All of the dimensions of butterfly body
>>>> size, wing width to height, etc., are PHI.  The nautilus shell is
>>>> a perfect Fibronacci, starting with PHI before it is even over one.
>>>> Sunflower spirals are always 3 or 5 in one direction with 8 or 13
>>>> in the other direction, corresponding with Fibronacci.  The spiral
>>>> galaxy is a Fibronacci spiral.  Plants grow blossoms according to
>>>> the Fibronacci series.
>>>>   
>>>> Cellular mitosis is binary.  Octave progressions are binary, although
>>>> note progressions are in PHI intervals within the octaves.  The human
>>>> spine is tuned with PHI ratios in adjacent discs and octave intervals
>>>> in the spacing.  The upper and lower body halves are a PHI ratio.
>>>> Standing with arms extended to the side is a PHI rectangle, within
>>>> 1/10000 of an inch for an average group of people.  It takes 46 cell
>>>> divisions in binary sequence to replace all of the cells in the body,
>>>> and 46 is also the number of our chromosomes.
>>>>   
>>>> It takes 13 sperm working in unison before one is able to enter to
>>>> fertilize the egg.  The sperm loses its tail, and grows to the exact
>>>> size of the egg, and intersects with it at exactly vesica pisces,
>>>> or where its outer edge touches the center of the egg.  This is the
>>>> zero point, and from here life begins.
>>>>   
>>>> These examples are in all of nature.  The Greeks used them in all of
>>>> their art, because they understood the geometry.  The Romans didn't
>>>> have a clue, which is why Greek art is very beautiful while Roman art
>>>> of the same era is rather ugly.  Most people, if they ever study PHI
>>>> in geometry are never taught how this is used outside of geometry.
>>>> It needs to be taught in music, and music needs to be taught in all
>>>> science courses, or they miss the boat.  Hope this helps!
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>   Mick, do you understand why I said you need a crash course in Sacred Geometry??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11104                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 01:03
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: Riiiver
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> It's hard to describe without a picture of the power waveform super-
>>>> imposed over the distance waveform.  The power leads the movement
>>>> like a square wave and a sine wave starting at the same point, be-
>>>> cause the power zero point occurs low in the distance curve, so the
>>>> peak pull differential becomes less as the roller gets higher. The
>>>> roller is starting to slow down before reaching the top of the
>>>> incline.
>>>>   
>>>> However, the roller has enough inertia to pass the attractions at
>>>> the top of the incline, and start down the ramp.  The power wave-
>>>> form stays above the zero point, and the peaks "fill in" if you
>>>> draw overlapping circles which encompass the overlapping waves.
>>>>   
>>>> The overlaps are the vesica pisces coordinates, and they are where
>>>> the logarithmic spirals can be seen, which are the zero points as
>>>> far as power curve peaks.  Now, since the TMI starts out going up-
>>>> hill, it seems reasonable that it should run like a bunny on a flat
>>>> track, and it does, and just keeps going faster.  BTW, on the ramp
>>>> version, if the "rail" magnets are on the table instead of on the
>>>> ramp, the runner is faster because the net attraction at the top of
>>>> the incline is offset by the angular displacement of the fields.
>>>>   
>>>> Clear as mud, right?
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11108                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring.  See I
>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and catch
>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are partners and
>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a habbit of
>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been posted
>>>> to the Net during the course of the day.  Since Joel works out of his
>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting results of
>>>> our discussions and project progress.  What became obvious to me was
>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last summer
>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly conducted we
>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>> conversation instead of just one side.  What I am saying is that Joel
>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred Geometry"
>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during which we
>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers.  After I got back home I ran
>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating magnetic
>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary thrust
>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart mentioned
>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller.  Well
>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you will have
>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For you non
>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This thing
>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced is that
>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly away
>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here.  Thanks
>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will have fun
>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11128                                  DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 20:34
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: (R) Rollin'
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bert, et al!  Stewart says the reason he calls it TOMI (Theory Of
>>>> Magnetic Instability) is because something odd happens when you join
>>>> individual magnets as opposed to one long magnet....there seem to be
>>>> little circles of influence where the fields don't blend totally and
>>>> these act as stairsteps of alternate repulsion/attraction....he says
>>>> you can try to use a long bar or cylinder magnet and it won't work.
>>>> He is definitely onto something with the observation....spoke with him
>>>> Sunday and have put him in contact with a friend who owns a
>>>> manufacturing and distribution company, both are very excited and
>>>> coming up with various doo-dads to market as novelties and
>>>> toys....really glad to see something is happening for Stewart, but it
>>>> is still young at this point as they are new to each other....something
>>>> about this reminds me of the barium 'flutter' as in the Sweet device
>>>> and also the Gary magnetic motor....>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11146                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 00:17
>>>> >From   : STEVE THATCHER                     -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) MRA and other stuff
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> I certainly want to put my efforts in the best possible direction. I
>>>> have read all the messages concerning the TMI device and haven't put
>>>> together a mental model that I can build yet. It does sound simple
>>>> though. The thoughts I have been having regarding magnetism, electron
>>>> flow, photons, and emf all lump them in a similar category. Does anyone
>>>> therize that a photon stream carries a perpendicular magentic field
>>>> with it for example. I haven't studied up on the new photon theories
>>>> yet, but this one just kind of popped up as a question in my mind. Has
>>>> anyone produced a simple diagram for the tmi device? Maybe something
>>>> more concrete then message discussions will prompt me to order some
>>>> parts from Edmunds. Best regards, Steve Thatcher
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11149                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 01:00
>>>> >From   : GERALD O'DOCHARTY                  -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Norm, you said:
>>>> >what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>> >Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> >intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the extent
>>>> >that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>> >segments in the track as per the original plans. 
>>>>   
>>>> Could you elaborate on what you mean by "..Phi rate in relation to the
>>>> fixed magnetic track.."? This sounds very interesting.
>>>>   
>>>> THX,
>>>> -Gerald
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11158                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 07:20
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>> Thanks for the upgrade.  I've been busy reading the past messages.
>>>> But I did take time to build a TMI device and it really works.  Now I
>>>> need to search my current download for thoughts on the "Flapper" or the
>>>> "Tireless Magnetic Rodent".  I couldn't believe how the roller took
>>>> off!  Thanks to Joel for his instructions and especially for the tip for
>>>> about the Radio Shack part number.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11169                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 10:50
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: Miracle of Flight in Nature
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  I read with great interest the message from Billy Teague where
>>>> he mentioned the flight of Hummingbirds bees and all of the other
>>>> Natural Aeronaughts.  Since Joel and I are well into our education on
>>>> the "Sacred Geometry" then the following becomes perfectly obvious to
>>>> the "informed.  Back some time ago there was a very good segment run on
>>>> PBS television (Nature or some other organization) about flight in
>>>> nature. When they showed a high speed photo sequence of a hummingbird
>>>> at a hover the researchers traced the wing tip paths and guess what
>>>> this trace drew?  You are on the right track for now I can relate this
>>>> tracing directly to the VESICA PIECES that are nestred and intersected
>>>> exactly the same way that your little TMI device magnetic vortices
>>>> intersect to establish (running through the center of the vesica pieces
>>>> a resulting thrust vector which causes the lift. The energy is in the
>>>> form of resonant standing waves created by the wing beats or strokes
>>>> and are actually acoustic in fact. When you look carefully at the
>>>> intersecting wave forms they do not intersect straight on but are
>>>> actually closer to a 90 degree  melding which results in the thrust
>>>> vector being established.  When I went through the civilian and
>>>> military flight schools we mathmatically proved that insects such as
>>>> the hugh Japanese beatles and large bumblebees could not possibly fly
>>>> for the wing loading would be incredible and simply could not be done.
>>>> Well "mother nature" gave these little creatures the secret of the
>>>> "SCARED GEOMETRY" to achieve what our physics say is impossible. Can
>>>> you say there is a lot of power in resonant geometry?  You bet and the
>>>> more we learn about it the more we will explain about the "NATURE" all
>>>> around us.  There you have it, the secret of flight, just wish we had
>>>> the knowledge to apply it to our transportation problems. Maybe there
>>>> is something behind Jerry's men in silve suits seen flying around
>>>> useing some sort of acoustic resonant fields.  more later.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11171                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 14:37
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : BERT POOL
>>>> Subject: Dances With Cows
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> Howdy Bert,
>>>>   
>>>> As the roller begins to move, it intersects more magnetic flux waves
>>>> per unit of time, which increases force per unit of distance, which
>>>> increases speed, which cause it to intersect more magnetic flux waves,
>>>> and so on.  That is the advantage over a bar magnet, which has only
>>>> one set of distributed flux lines.  Each of the little bagel magnets
>>>> (too hard to be donuts) has its own torus field.
>>>>   
>>>> As to whether to use thick or thin magnets, and where to use them,
>>>> if the above paragraph is accurate, then thicker magnets would be
>>>> similar to bar magnets and tend to slow it down.  I've found that
>>>> adding pennies between the magnets has the opposite effect, so that
>>>> thinner magnets with equal gauss and more spacing might be best.
>>>> You might even put springs in between the magnets at the start of
>>>> the track to give it a "slingshot" effect.
>>>>   
>>>> The Radio Shack magnets have a 4.5:1 ratio of width to diameter, so
>>>> at the "giddy-up", you already have a lot of torque.  A lot of thin
>>>> magnets would overcome inertia from startup, where spaced thick mag-
>>>> nets would govern speed.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11173                                  DATE/TIME: 02/02/95 17:12
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) Dances With Cows
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>>   
>>>> If the TMI device can be extended into a cyclic device, i.e., a roller
>>>> on a continuous track, the obvious result would be a free energy
>>>> device.  If it can be done using permanent magnets, then it can be done
>>>> using electromagnets.  A permanent magnet design would be super-simple;
>>>> only one moving part, no adjustments, etc., which is a good thing so far
>>>> as reliability goes.  But if you use electromagnets, you gain
>>>> magnitudes of order more control over the operating conditions.  If you
>>>> build a circular track device, and start changing the spacing between
>>>> the magnets, then you will by definition change the diameter of the
>>>> loop, which means large mechanical changes, which is a pain.  If you
>>>> can do the equivalent thing by turning a potentiometer, life is much
>>>> easier.  I expect a simple machine to use perm. magnets, and a machine
>>>> which can be regulated will use electromagnets in at least the track.
>>>> Actually, as I think about it, if you were to replace the roller magnet
>>>> assembly with a coil/armature, as it passes the stationary magnets it
>>>> becomes an electromagnet.....hmmmm, might work, yes?
>>>> >> bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11196                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 07:58
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> To     : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
>>>> Subject: (R) Lurker making contribution
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jerry.  I'v been having great fun playing with my TMI device.  When
>>>> the roller took off for the first time I was amazed and still am for
>>>> that matter.  It required no finger push, in fact, I had to hold on to
>>>> it to get it into the proper position.  I thought, "This must of been
>>>> what John Searle originally played with."  So, I want to know more.
>>>> Where can I find out about "vesica pieces" -- I've seen it mentioned in
>>>> quite a few messages.  Just point me in the right direction, specific
>>>> references would be much appreciated.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> P.S.  I've built several different configurations but now I want to go
>>>> circular!
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11197                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 08:07
>>>> >From   : PAUL VISINGER                      -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: TMIdevice
>>>> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm.  If you've already answered this question I'll get it from the
>>>> downloaded messages or if you're too busy I'll understand that too.
>>>> I've built several different versions of the TMIdevice.  The version
>>>> Joel described, a flat one and a ramped one with the runners flat and
>>>> now I want to build a circular one.  In message 11108 you mentioned
>>>> that you, "Increased the spin rate of the roller or runner by the Phi
>>>> rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied..."  How did
>>>> you increase the spin rate.  What is the Phi rate in relation to the
>>>> fixed magnetic track.  What and where are the intersecting vesica
>>>> pieces vortex patterns?  Any help would be appreciated.  I really like
>>>> your work on the MRA.  Thanks.  Bye, Paul.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11200                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 09:08
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> Subject: TMI Device
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Paul:  To answer your question which was asked by Gerald O'here goes.
>>>> If you roll the runner magnet assembly along a track your have a fixed
>>>> rate of helix magnetic flux interfaces that occur at 90 degree angles
>>>> between the fixed track and the rotating runner.  If you mount the
>>>> runner or roller on a stainless steel shaft and mount a pinnion gear at
>>>> the inboard end or pivot end off the shaft running on a ring gear that
>>>> is a greater number of teath by the Phi ratio them as the moving arm
>>>> proceeds forward a spin rate of + Phi will be imparted on the spinning
>>>> roller and you will have eliminated the friction contact with the
>>>> track. Just visualize the differential gears in the rear-end of your
>>>> car for it has a ring gear and pinnion in a hypoid gear set which
>>>> allows a drive shaft RPM which is greater than the axle RPM by the gear
>>>> ratio.  All I am doing is turning this arrangement around and letting
>>>> the pinion gear turn faster that the fixed ring gear.  The central
>>>> pivot shaft of the whole unit has a DC generator attached to provide
>>>> the necessary loading to prevent the Searle Effect to progress to the
>>>> point of "lift Off".  Believe me it will happen for when the rate of
>>>> intersecting magnetic flux lines of i
>>>> intersecting "vesica pieces" (will explain) are increasing  to the
>>>> point that you have a plasma folding back on itself then you will start
>>>> seeing a corona or pink glow which happens when this beast achieves
>>>> it's "N" critical rotational speed.  Searle claimed 3000 RPM was the
>>>> "N" crit on his disk but I'm sure it is a radius and perifial velocity
>>>> relationship somehow.  Joel and I have tested the increased spin rate
>>>> and it does allow for a greater number of flux line intersections which
>>>> increases the torque and acceleration of the unit.  We have resolved
>>>> the entire unit so that you do not have to have the broken segments it
>>>> the fixed magnet unit which we have formed into a contiuous circle with
>>>> only one outer fixed magnet with the rollers suspended on arms from a
>>>> central pivot point 6 each in number.  Joel found that by spacing the
>>>> magnets apart with copper pennies the field effect was enhanced in the
>>>> fixed magnet unit.  Basically it increases the little toroid flux lines
>>>> for there is a little leakage of flux trying to fold back in at each
>>>> little magnet interface (N-S) or junction. This becomes amplified when
>>>> you close the loop by making a continous circle of the little
>>>> "baggles", darnI like Joel's description of these little critters. You
>>>> really need to read all you can on the "Sacred Geometry" to fully
>>>> understand about the energies that are focused within the vesica
>>>> pieces.  Joel is going back and modifying the Phi and Res file for we
>>>> have learned a vast amount of additional knowledge since this file was
>>>> created.   Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11206                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 14:08
>>>> >From   : BERT POOL
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMI or TOMI
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Well, I went with Norm over to Joel McClain's house last night, and I
>>>> was thoroughly instructed in the proper construction and operation of
>>>> the TMI magnetic propulsion device by Jake - a MOST astute five year
>>>> old!
>>>>   
>>>> The device does exactly what everyone says it will do.  The roller
>>>> wants to roll like hell.  It will roll like hell with ONE row of
>>>> magnets, instead of two.  If you extend the length of the magnets, and
>>>> I did extend it to about 18 inches long, it rolls the whole length, and
>>>> evidences NO intent to slow down or stop.  If I had a couple of rows of
>>>> magnets that went from here in Dallas to California, I have no doubt
>>>> that little sucker would pull itself all the way to Gerald O's house!
>>>> I have some discomfort about a CIRCULAR track, unless it is large in
>>>> diameter, because there is a possibility that placing the magnets at
>>>> the required small angle to form a torus may affect the shape of the
>>>> interacting fields enough between the adjacent magnets to stop it from
>>>> working.  But Norm's prototype will very likely work.  I'm not sure
>>>> the PHI ratio gearing will improve performance, but even without the
>>>> additional rotational speed derived from the planetary gear, it should
>>>> still run.
>>>>   
>>>> I've seen some neat things over the years, but nothing comes close to
>>>> this so far as simplicity and the fact that it moves!
>>>>   
>>>> It moves! ........ it moves up hill.  It damn near leaps in the air!
>>>>   
>>>> It is going to be most interesting to see how far we take this thing.
>>>>   
>>>> Bert
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11227                                  DATE/TIME: 02/03/95 23:58
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN                       -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: Dances with PHI
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>   
>>>> Got my order from Am. Sci. & Surplus today...they actually do sell
>>>> things other than coffee mugs.  Included was the "rattleback", or
>>>> "space pet", the ellipsoid that only spins CCW.  If you spin it CW,
>>>> it rattles back and forth, stops spinning CW and spins CCW.  I Know
>>>> that you aren't surprised that the ratio of width to height of this
>>>> device is PHI.  Interesting how this was used in the geometry of
>>>> Noah's Ark.  Also, if you add the width and height together and mul-
>>>> tiply them by Phi, then double the product, you get the exact length,
>>>> so once again it is the Fibronacci series (PHI) and the binary
>>>> series, which is the times two.  Anybody could build an Ark just
>>>> by knowing the PHI ratio, and have a perfectly rock-less boat.
>>>> For some reason, the Celts used the exact same ellipsoidal pattern
>>>> on their knife and axe blades, but then they were primitives.
>>>>   
>>>> Other stuff...the angles of the Great Pyramid are approx. 52 and 38
>>>> degrees, as you know.  The cosine of 52 and the sine of 38 (actually
>>>> the REAL measurements, not these approximations), are both 0.618,
>>>> the inverse of PHI.
>>>>   
>>>> Moray King and Dave Faust sent a fax tonight, with a suggestion for
>>>> using a third coil around the MRA, and feeding the MRA in that manner
>>>> as opposed to directly connecting into the primary.  They tried to
>>>> upload the info as a file but weren't able to...durn 'puters.
>>>>   
>>>> Also, got a few radiac detectors...no particular reason, except they
>>>> were real cheap, so if you want one, it's yours.  BTW did you know
>>>> that the half-life of U238 is 4.5 Billion years?  Picked up that bit
>>>> of comforting info in the Pocket Ref book from A.S.&S.
>>>>   
>>>> C'ya,
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11229                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:31
>>>> >From   : BILL BEATY
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Bad Griggs News!!!
>>>> Folder : E, "Special Associates Area Omega"
>>>>
>>>> All the internet traffic has made a local Seattle experimenter
>>>> approach me with some unsettling news about Griggs.  This guy
>>>> says that Griggs was involved with Aquatech, the company which
>>>> had the Schaffer patent, that Griggs was sent by Aquatech to
>>>> install their products all over the country, that Griggs split
>>>> off with hostility to start his own company, and that Griggs
>>>> is not an inventor, but just took advantage of systems he was
>>>> working with already.  This guy is Mike Huffman,[email protected].
>>>> He has just entered a patent for his own Schaffer-based device,
>>>> which he has done mainly to keep it from being taken over by
>>>> others.  He is being non-secretive, and is spreading info packets
>>>> around on his device so that others can duplicate it.
>>>> .
>>>> His device is a "cake" of plexi layers having routed channels in
>>>> the form of a slight spiral, which is then spun in a plastic
>>>> close-fitting chamber.  He has just begun testing, and has not
>>>> had the equipment together yet to measure overunity.  THe device
>>>> is a little 8" box connected to a 1/3 HP pump motor, and it boils
>>>> water in a couple of minutes.
>>>> .
>>>> Some good news: he says that Schaffer had a "pull start"
>>>> self-sustaining device working at one time, but Schaffer pulled
>>>> the old secrecy act, never told anyone how it works, and died
>>>> with the secret.
>>>> .
>>>> I told him the story of the Texas inventor with the self-acting
>>>> vegetable oil spiral turbine.  He then told me the Schaffer story,
>>>> and wondered why these people always take it to the grave rather
>>>> than just let loose.  He applauds the MRA efforts.  I haven't
>>>> convinced him to call Keelynet yet, but will soon.
>>>>
>>>> cc: Norman Wootan
>>>>      
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11231                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 00:58
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : PAUL VISINGER
>>>> Subject: Your MSG # 11198
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>> and you're welcome!
>>>>   
>>>> Glad the info was helpful, and it's really great to see lots of
>>>> people looking into Stewart Harris' TMI device. It's truly excellent.
>>>>   
>>>> I was most fortunate that Norm got hold of some fine material on
>>>> the 'sacred geometry', and is kindly sharing it with me.  Actually,
>>>> it was Peter Tompkins' book, "Secrets of the Great Pyramid" that
>>>> turned me on to PHI, and the new material goes right into the heart
>>>> of anti-g, ZPE, etc., and it is all PHI related, as is all of nature.
>>>>   
>>>> The term "vesica pices" is what Keely called the "neutral center", it
>>>> just defines it geometrically.  The CBS eye is a vesica pices.  When
>>>> you see it as a PHI proportion, you can connect with the concept in
>>>> a circuit where the fields overlap, or "breathe" into each other at
>>>> their centers.  We can see this happening in the torus fields of the
>>>> circular magnets, and can therefore calculate optimum distance and
>>>> spin ratios using PHI.  That's the 'secret' to the Schauberger
>>>> UFO design...three circles in octave proportion intersecting at
>>>> each other's neutral center...Fibronacci and binary.
>>>>   
>>>> >From a less 'sacred' perspective, the TMI also has a 4.5:1 torque
>>>> ratio, based upon the 1/4" width and 1 1/8" height at 90 degrees
>>>> relative to each other in the TMI.  The easiest thing for the roller
>>>> to do is to roll, and as it does, it intersects more fields per unit
>>>> of time, so it increases in speed at an increasing rate.  It can only
>>>> go so fast before it intersects with half of the magnets on a round
>>>> track, and when this goes over 180 degrees, it should go airborne.
>>>> That's what happened, as you know, with the Searl generator.
>>>>   
>>>> Glad you're actively researching...hit 'em hard.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11234                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 10:12
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Save the Greys
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For those who read messages # 11227 and 11231, where Noah's Ark and
>>>> UFOs are equated in terms of their use of the constant phi (í), you
>>>> may be wondering how this could be.  Modern (at least Western) thought
>>>> does not provide the same "maet" concept as was used by the Egyptians
>>>> and others.  The maet is a term which means that one set of principles
>>>> is at work in all things, and that a society can base its direction
>>>> and ideals on these universal constants.
>>>>   
>>>> Because í is how nature chose to "work", anything that is going to
>>>> work within nature should emulate the í proportion to avoid working
>>>> against nature.  That is why all living things use this ratio, and
>>>> why successful free energy devices use resonance.  As seen in the
>>>> file, PHI&RES.ASC, harmony in vibrations is determined by the root
>>>> derivatives of í times frequency.  Harmonies create resonance, and
>>>> overlapping resonances, as Keely demonstrated, cross the zero point.
>>>>   
>>>> Walter Russell and others have been able to intuit the relationship,
>>>> but had they known the pervasiveness of í and used it knowingly, we
>>>> can only imagine how much further they could have gone.  We have that
>>>> opportunity.  It's only math, and really, it's very simple...da Vinci
>>>> and others understood it in our own recorded history.  The problem
>>>> for some is that when you follow the natural progressions, it explains
>>>> too much...it can free mankind in ways that we are only beginning to
>>>> realize, as with the Incunabula and other forms of consciousness
>>>> elevating.  These things are real, and can be accomplished naturally.
>>>>   
>>>> I believe that we are entering the dawn of a whole new era, and that
>>>> whether we are ready or not, we will soon be entering a higher plane
>>>> of existance, including unity consciousness.  It is a natural stage
>>>> in the evolution of the universe, and by understanding the constants
>>>> of the universe, we can simply walk into the light of that new day.
>>>> It is our birthright, denied to us by those who know the maet, but
>>>> who use it to "rule" with.  As with the dinosaurs who once "ruled"
>>>> the earth with fear, these folks are facing extinction.
>>>>   
>>>> I believe that ZPE has not been suppressed as much for the obvious
>>>> reason, as for the reason that understanding it of necessity leads
>>>> to the understanding of all else.  That is why sharing this infor-
>>>> mation is so very important now.  We can do anything that any machine
>>>> can do, and we give up our innate ability every time we use one.
>>>> Technology is a trap...the greys use machines as UFOs, and they are
>>>> now dieing out all over the universe.  We can use our own energies
>>>> to create higher dimensional "UFOs", called merkabas, and free our-
>>>> selves of all need.  We are ready now, and that is why the awareness
>>>> is being given.  We have been, almost literally, asleep, through no
>>>> fault of our own.  We are awakening now, and it's going to be a good
>>>> day.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11237                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 11:13
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Well now that Joel and I convinced Bert that the effect of the Syewart
>>>> Harris TMI is real and has potential of running itself we are off and
>>>> running.  Last night I worked out enough of the geometry of a circular
>>>> device to determine that I need a total of 800 magnets to finalize my
>>>> design of a unit with an outside diameter of 23 inches with 6 rotating
>>>> spokes carrying the runner or rollers. Nothing ventured nothing gained
>>>> as we say. If it does not work we (Bert, Joel and I) will have a lot of
>>>> little novelity toys around to play with <g>. Is there any other use
>>>> for these "crummey" little magnets?  Keep the faith for we know there
>>>> is a way to make this into a workable device.  We all have our own
>>>> ideas so we have to put them into hardware form to test out the theory.
>>>>   It looks good on paper but the proof is in a working device.  Right
>>>> Jerry??  I still want to see Jerry's Hamster Cage TMI work with the
>>>> little magnetic rodent continously rolling along in it like ferris
>>>> wheel ride except the magnetic rodent stays at the bottom of the
>>>> spinning cage. See Jerry, Joel and I have a secret camera hidden in you
>>>> living room.  Ha! Ha!  Just kidding.  Norm  PS: well it is off to the
>>>> Radio Shacks to clean out the remaining stock. Let's see, I have 460
>>>> magnets now so I only have to find 340 more to complete this project.
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> essage 11239                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 13:06
>>>> >From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: The Ark, the laser and the UFO
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Just one other note for now on the "rattleback" or í designed device
>>>> which is the geometry of Noah's Ark.  The longitudinal axis blocks
>>>> laser light by inverting the phase and cancelling it.  In other words
>>>> laser light will not pass through it on the double í dimension.  I've
>>>> tried it, and you can see the cancellation of energy occurring.
>>>>   
>>>> A boat which is built on the same ratios does not rock in the water.
>>>> This has been tested empirically by a group of archaeologists who
>>>> built a small "ark" and found that it would ride over waves without
>>>> any feeling of motion.  The end-to-end energy is cancelled just as
>>>> the laser light is cancelled.
>>>>   
>>>> Put two rattlebacks together and you also have the shape of a
>>>> "classic" UFO.
>>>>   
>>>> Joel
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11243                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:37
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 1/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> 27 Jan 95  01:24:12
>>>> By: Ian Wilson
>>>> To: All
>>>> Re: Universal Vision
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>    
>>>> The Geometry of Light into Matter
>>>>     
>>>> The model is a representation of a vision that I had where I saw
>>>> sub-particles of matter as units of consciousness. The following is
>>>> an overview how the order of this consciousness relates to itself
>>>> and combines to create physical matter and the laws of cause and
>>>> effect.
>>>>      
>>>> The area of thought that this vision contained was relationships in
>>>> numeric unity and geometric form. I am still researching several
>>>> outlets to this form and attempting to articulate as much as I can
>>>> the vision as it creates itself in to logic and unity.
>>>>       
>>>> Keep in mind that this model is a representation and it's a small
>>>> tool to observe relationships in energy and thought as well as it's
>>>> relationship to matter. The nature of this is from the science of
>>>> spirit into the logic of matter so you may find some of the concepts
>>>> not adhering to linear time rather (to) events happening in infinite
>>>> timeless expressiveness.
>>>>        
>>>> A single group or sub-particle is a separated unit from a whole.
>>>> This whole is represented by infinite timeless existance and ties
>>>> into an order of thought that addresses a universal consciousness
>>>> that is self- actualising and expressively harmonious. Light and
>>>> pure thought was the intended model as a representation of this
>>>> universal infinitum. And all aspects of this universe was divided up
>>>> into an infinite number of parts. When these parts descend into
>>>> matter, they transform from light [energy] into physical matter.
>>>> >From there laws are establised creating the structure and physics
>>>> that we form in our science.
>>>>         
>>>> For what ever reasons, the model for the singular personafied unit
>>>> of an infinite order was represented by this following model :
>>>>          
>>>>           
>>>>                  12                This model has 12 sides.
>>>>              11ÚÄÄÄÄ¿1             We add 12 by it's numbers to get 3
>>>>           10   ³    ³  2
>>>>           ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿         eg.  12 :  1 + 2 = 3
>>>>          9³              ³ 3
>>>>           ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ         We do this to fit it into a feild of
>>>>            8   ³    ³   4          unity
>>>>               7ÀÄÄÄÄÙ5
>>>>                  6
>>>>            
>>>> This singular unit is a part of a greater body of energy. In it's
>>>> material state, it combines with other particles forming
>>>> relationships and bonds. The bonds were represented by a loving,
>>>> harmonious recognition of self and other parts of self. Since this
>>>> energy is light and light has consciousness this unit is self-aware.
>>>> The relationship was called a family and from this family we have a
>>>> molecular order.
>>>>   
>>>> The particles then bond in harmonious order to form larger matter
>>>> based relationship. Keeping in mind that all matter comes from a
>>>> universal field of light energy that has altered it's frequency into
>>>> lower vibrations to form matter. But in it's pure state, it is the
>>>> same: Light. We can take a look at Einsteins theory of relativity
>>>>            2
>>>> where E=MC  This formula represents the relationship of matter and
>>>> light as energy.
>>>>    
>>>> And all this light has consciousness. This key (that) is lacking in
>>>> our science is that energy is consciousness and aware that it
>>>> exists. That it is self aware. And self is what this model is
>>>> representing.
>>>>     
>>>> When light in matter unifies, it forms a relationsip with other
>>>> particles according to laws of relationships between matter and
>>>> light. This becomes a greater whole and we'll form how this order
>>>> creates a larger sub-particle.
>>>>      
>>>> We'll look at four groups of consciousness forming a single particle
>>>> of matter in a relationship. That particle has a unified number and
>>>> it has a relationship; we look at 4 units.
>>>>       
>>>>        
>>>>         
>>>>                  ÚÄÄÄÄ¿            4 units X 12 sides = 48
>>>>                  ³    ³      we add 48 together to unify the number
>>>>        ÚÄÄÄÄÂÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>>        ³    ³              ³       48 :  4 + 8 = 12
>>>>   ÚÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄ´
>>>>   ³              ³    ³    ³ And we have 12, which in turn adds to 3.
>>>>   ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÅÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿
>>>>        ³    ³    ³              ³
>>>>        ÃÄÄÄÄÙ    ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>        ³              ³    ³
>>>>        ÀÄÄÄÄ¿    ÚÄÄÄÄÁÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>             ³    ³
>>>>             ÀÄÄÄÄÙ
>>>>   
>>>> What physical matter reality represents is light at a denser
>>>> vibrational state. Since light is consciousness, it was by thought
>>>> that the light had lowered itself in it's vibration into sub
>>>> particles. And it was this light in it's thoughts that formed
>>>> frequency, matter and fields of energy et al; the laws we strive to
>>>> understand.
>>>>    
>>>> The order comes from attraction and replusion. Since light in a
>>>> matter state creates a resonance of vibration it has a magnetic
>>>> order. Electro-magnetic fields form at various frequencies and this
>>>> identifying order creates the grounds on which matter collects into
>>>> it's schools of particles and families.
>>>>     
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11244                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:40
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 2/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> The Universe as a Whole.
>>>>    
>>>> When addressing any universal concepts we scientifically see the
>>>> universe in terms of light, energy and matter. Energy being neither
>>>> created nor destroyed, just transformed into one stage or another,
>>>> but it is all energy, and the more groups of energy unified in one
>>>> frequency or pattern the more intense and focused the energy
>>>> becomes.
>>>>     
>>>> The universe is intelligent and energy has intelligence. Our
>>>> thoughts are comprised of electrical charges passing through neural
>>>> transmitters in the synapse. This unified balance of patterned
>>>> energy and it's applications give us intelligence, but intelligence
>>>> is still energy.
>>>>      
>>>> The reason we think on a human level is because we have a specific
>>>> frequency of thought energy and it's relationship in it's creative
>>>> design gives the framework for our consciousness and directs or
>>>> controls this intelligence for the purpose of this linear human
>>>> experience. This is commonly noted by brain wave patterns alpha,
>>>> beta, theta, and delta. Controlled frequencies of neural energy
>>>> (Intelligence).
>>>>       
>>>> We are focused particles of energy, matter and light formed in a
>>>> very specific design to comprise the experience we are. And it is
>>>> now very important to start to address thought and it's influence on
>>>> itself. Energy reacts to thought. But we are getting into a series
>>>> of concepts that humanly has been denied or submersed by the
>>>> inability of our thinkers to grasp that their thoughts are an energy
>>>> and are influencing creatively the effects of thought on light as
>>>> electromagnetic brainwave patterns.
>>>>        
>>>> Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And thoughts do
>>>> create very specific fields of biomagnetic energy in the mind and
>>>> this has an effect much like dropping a pebble into a pond. It is an
>>>> energy, but it is not felt physically rather by electromagnetic
>>>> fields instead of matter fields.
>>>>         
>>>> The universe is connected by both physical bonds and electromagnetic
>>>> bonds. Electromagnetic energy is becoming the science of the soul
>>>> and this is common with such concepts of an AURA which really is a
>>>> biomagnetic field that surrounds the body created by the various
>>>> patterns of electrical impusles caused by thoughts.
>>>>          
>>>> When the mind needs the body to preform a task, it sends a signal to
>>>> a muscle and this muscle reacts with controlled electrical nervous
>>>> responses and thus creates a movement acting upon a denser energy
>>>> stored in as fuel for the cells. Still it's different fields of
>>>> energy preforming very specific tasks. But it is all energy at
>>>> different frequencies.
>>>>           
>>>> This echange creates the biomagnetic aura as energy surges in this
>>>> living machine. And it all starts with thought. And thought is what
>>>> we will examine in some depth and draw upon some areas of thought,
>>>> of applied thought by influencing electromagnetic energy. And this
>>>> gets really interesting.
>>>>   
>>>> Back to the Vision and it's examples.
>>>>    
>>>> The vision then began to illustrate a field of pure white light
>>>> energy as the sum total of all energy existing in the universe in a
>>>> perfect harmonious balanced state of existence. That all parts of
>>>> this energy were at the exact same frequency and order of balance as
>>>> a body, much like an infinite ocean.
>>>>     
>>>> This field was labled the source, source meaning the source of all
>>>> energy and energy being consciousness. So a very intelligent and
>>>> self aware field of energy.
>>>>      
>>>> When this field began to apply thought, parts of it's self began to
>>>> form to those thoughts and this was illustrated as a change of
>>>> frequency and the birth of a new level of energy. This new level of
>>>> energy was the same but different and since it's thoughts were on a
>>>> different field than the first infinite body, this field was more
>>>> focused and represented the first applied thought.
>>>>       
>>>> And in an instant of infinite time, a reaction was formed. Call it
>>>> the big bang, or what ever concept of birth, and energy began to
>>>> lower in frequency and created personifications as this reaction
>>>> caused the entire field of energy to form the structure of the
>>>> universe by an order of applied self-seeking energy.
>>>>        
>>>> This reaction created a number of realities, energy systems and
>>>> physical matter reality was one of many. Physical matter reality was
>>>> the moment when this energy dropped so low in frequency that it
>>>> crystallised and became unified at a series of dense levels.
>>>>         
>>>> Since thought is energy and human thought is energy focused at a
>>>> very human level, we have to understand that there are many fields
>>>> of intelligent energy; all self aware as we are self-aware. We are
>>>> by no means the most intelligent force in the universe. And the
>>>> application of thought causes energy to react and form around that
>>>> thought giving it a dimension to exist in. And depending on the
>>>> frequency of that thought, it will manifest. And I mean it WILL
>>>> manifest, either as a mental formed image to a chain of events that
>>>> gives birth to it in reality. I will go into more depth as I will
>>>> lose so many at this point. So I will clarify this so we can
>>>> understand the principles of this.
>>>>   
>>>> The vision continued to show that these lower particles as they
>>>> dropped in frequency became less aware of the source and more
>>>> submersed into darkness. I saw that the darker it became, the closer
>>>> it came to the physical matter universe until the universe was much
>>>> like the stars in the sky, pin points of energy balanced by a field
>>>> of cause and effect.
>>>>    
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11245                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:44
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: light universe 3/3
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>> Why thought as a creative energy?
>>>>    
>>>> It was thought that gave birth to the reaction which created the
>>>> universes. Thought was dynamic and since thought is energy, it
>>>> created a very specific field of energy. And since that feild was
>>>> energy, it also had thought, but a different thought so another
>>>> reaction was formed and we have a chain reaction much like what
>>>> happens in a nuclear bomb when a chain reaction occurs.
>>>>     
>>>> And in all this reaction there were very simple universal laws that
>>>> formed around the relationship of energy and it's self. And we begin
>>>> to get into emotion, love, creation and other mechanisms of
>>>> communication that generate our reality and all realities that exist
>>>> at the different feilds of frequency.
>>>>      
>>>> This now becomes a science of light, and the science of thought.
>>>> Reality is energy, and energy is thought. There is a relationship
>>>> that we have to identify with since this will be a very major
>>>> realisation for most that reality is more energy than it is physical
>>>> but since there are specific laws of cause and effect we find that
>>>> when energy hits another energy feild it creates a specific
>>>> reaction. But it has been and always will be energy and it's
>>>> relationships.
>>>>       
>>>> We exist in a mental universe of crystallised thought energy. Our
>>>> senses are a form of communication devices for translating this
>>>> specific reality and it's order of cause and effect. When we touch
>>>> something, we are sent a message by that "something" that we touch
>>>> according to the relationship of cause and effect. That object tells
>>>> us by feeling that it is, say a ball. A group of focused energy in a
>>>> constructed thought forming a ball in a reality of cause and effect.
>>>> That ball is still energy and energy is thought crystallised at a
>>>> very specific frequency.
>>>>        
>>>> This is a language. We think that our garbled human words are the
>>>> only thing that is communicating with us but we forget that all our
>>>> senses are in fact communicating with very specific frequencies of
>>>> energy. That the whole observed reality is speaking to our senses
>>>> screaming I am BALL! And we feel this ball, taste it, hear it
>>>> bounce, see it's collection of particles. But we do not realise that
>>>> we are from the same creative origin and lack the connection to
>>>> understand that this ball is a energy system that has an awareness
>>>> at a very specific feild.
>>>>   
>>>> I would like to go into detail, but the best advice I can offer is
>>>> eat some rice crispies so that you can have all your senses
>>>> activated by this communication of energy and it's relationship with
>>>> your awareness. And instead of just wolfing it down, be aware that
>>>> your senses are communicating with very specific reactions of energy
>>>> and this dinner is simply communicating to you that this is what it
>>>> is, and you are sharing an exchange of energy with it. And enjoy
>>>> eating it, as all of the sensory input is a language of matter
>>>> reality. And this is what happens when you observe a very specific
>>>> crytallised thought energy. Apply this to all you experience
>>>> physically. And be aware that there is a relationship and a language
>>>> being observed at many differnet levels at once, to create your
>>>> sensory experience with this energy system.
>>>>    
>>>> Can human thought manifest in reality?
>>>>     
>>>> ABSOLUTELY!!!! 100%!!!! We just have a few handicaps to over-come.
>>>> First, we need imagination. We have to believe (and know) that we
>>>> can create something. And then we have to apply that thought. It
>>>> starts with an idea, say the wheel. The wheel was formed first by an
>>>> human idea. And then this human acted upon this energy of thought an
>>>> formed it by the means available to it. And by shaping physical
>>>> reality to a desired thought, a wheel was fashioned by a very human
>>>> hand.
>>>>      
>>>> Then this wheel had a very specific purpose and it spoke to man, and
>>>> man called it wheel. When I say it spoke to him, it was observed by
>>>> senses as a circular object of specific order and design.
>>>>       
>>>> All of our technology today comes from ideas that man has acted upon
>>>> when his desire became so strong that he had to form that thought by
>>>> means of physically hammering it out. They could not have formed if
>>>> thought was not first initiated. That it was thought seeking
>>>> manifestation and building energy, created the events which lead to
>>>> the first wheel being fashioned.
>>>>        
>>>> If we think of something, and begin to add emotion to it, chances
>>>> are we will dream of it if we are active. That the thought formed in
>>>> an electromagnetic reality if you would like. If more energy is
>>>> added to this thought, a person might have an inspiration all of a
>>>> sudden to get off one's bottom and actually fulfill that dreamed of
>>>> idea.
>>>>         
>>>> Thought forms reality, much how we form our technology. Reality was
>>>> a thought before it became crystallised. I will end this portion of
>>>> this discussion as I am rushing to get this out before I get lazy
>>>> and uninspired :) In the next segment we will begin to unlock how
>>>> our thoughts can manifest certain events in reality since there is a
>>>> reaction caused by this. And hence we will talk in some detail on
>>>> thought manifestation.
>>>>   
>>>>                          Till then,
>>>>                                   Ian Wilson
>>>>    
>>>> Ian Wilson               102-197 Roy Ave
>>>> Penticton      B.C.V2A 3M8 Canada
>>>> (604)-493-3455
>>>>     
>>>> This article is still being flushed out, so it is raw material and
>>>> will be revised as I include a lot more of what this area is
>>>> covering. I am just trying to get this out for a few who asked about
>>>> it, but more thought is required before it is fully explained as it
>>>> is.
>>>>      
>>>> Ian Wilson
>>>>       
>>>>   * Origin: Penticton Community Online Media (1:353/115) FidoNet
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11246                                  DATE/TIME: 02/04/95 21:47
>>>> >From   : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: crystals
>>>> Folder : C, "INSIGHTS/Coincidences/Messages"
>>>>
>>>> Origin: XBN - 0001 - F:I_UFO
>>>>    From: DEBORAH MAYA                  Public
>>>>      To: GLENDA STOCKS
>>>>    Date: 01/28/95 at 05:28
>>>>      Re: CRYSTAL SCIENCE
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> HI!
>>>> This is another page in The 7 Mysteries Of Life: (Guy Murchie)
>>>> Crystal Science:  Piezo, The Crystal of Life (double terminated). The
>>>> sort of crystal that reconcites this paradox of life best of
>>>> all is the rather extraordinary type called piezo, with
>>>> something like a very simple nervous system that makes it
>>>> generate an electric current whenever it is distorted by
>>>> mechanical pressure. The verb " to press" in Greek is piezin so
>>>> it was only logical to name this kind of vital response the
>>>> piezoelectric effect. It occurs because distorting a crystal
>>>> means moving atoms in relation  in one another and, since some
>>>> of them are ions carrying extra electrons, this kind of
>>>> distortion amounts to a flow of electrons which by difinition,
>>>> collectively add up to an electric current. Putting it another
>>>> way as the illustration shows (in book) when a piezoelectric
>>>> crystal unit is not distorted its centers of positive and
>>>> negative electric charge conside and there is no flow of
>>>> current. But the same unit is squeezed into a different shape,
>>>> the charge centers are pushed apart and the current flows as
>>>> long as the centers keep moving. Further more because the
>>>> phenomenon is relative, it works recipiocally-so that, when an
>>>> outside electric current is applied, the charge centers move
>>>> and the crystal contracts or, if connected to an altering
>>>> current, it alternately contracts and expands. In which case of
>>>> course it becomes an oscillator and regulate frequencies in all
>>>> sorts of electronic equipment.  (especially radios and
>>>> communications equipment) Among the better types of crystals
>>>> for piezoelectricity are salt, because its full of ions,
>>>> Quartz, tourmaline, and barium titanate, the last of which has
>>>> become important in radio and TV, microphones, where early this
>>>> century it learned to sing, Transmitters, submarine sonar
>>>> systems, ultrasonic tools and cleaning devices. (Can you
>>>> imagine with natural piez?) Feromagetic crystal with oppositely
>>>> magnetized sublatties so indenpendltly responsive to temperature
>>>> that by warming or cooling it a mere degree of two (as when
>>>> holding it in hand, as I do during a Transmission) it polartity
>>>> can be reversed, making it usefull for storing information in
>>>> computer memory cells. Another bi way jump takes us to the size
>>>> of a lava field containing quartz, such as a large one on North
>>>> Idu peninsula in Japan where an earthquake in November 1930 was
>>>> accompanied by spectacular lightning in a clear sky, a phenoemon
>>>> already becoming well enough recognized to have disseminated
>>>> the theory that piezoelectric crystals subjected to disrupted
>>>> mechanical pressure over many square miles of territory CAN
>>>> GENERATE VOLTAGE SUFFICENT TO CAUSE A THUNDERSTORM. (and a lot
>>>> of WEATHER CONTROL type conditions) In all such widely
>>>> different cases, it seems approprate to cite the increasing
>>>> evidence that in magnetically ordered crystals, the spins of
>>>> the atoms periodically do something that could be called a
>>>> flip, reversing their direction and polarity of Earth, the Sun
>>>> and the Stars and probably the Galaxies. And this change
>>>> actually advances from atom to atom like a roll of falling
>>>> dominoes in a microprogression physicist call a spin (indeed)
>>>> wave that sweeps  through the material like a swell on a ocean.
>>>> It is a vital factor in the melodic reality behind the wave of
>>>> nature of all matter-the still mysterious truth discovered in
>>>> France in 1922 by Louis de Broglie after the merest hint in
>>>> acient ancient times by py l or t pythagoras who had listened
>>>> and listen for and eventually hear, the MUSIC OF THE SPHERES.  ****8
>>>> [...]
>>>> --- FMail 0.92
>>>>   * Origin: Spirit BBS **704-297-5973**Fido#1:3666/701 (1:3666/701)
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> Message 11250                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 09:28
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Glenda:  Relay to Stewart Harris that when Joel, Bert and I get the TMI
>>>> device into a self sustaining form that will generate some extra energy
>>>> beyond what it takes to run itself the device will be intoduced to the
>>>> world as "The Harris Effect Generator" (HEG) and not the Searle Effect
>>>> Generator although they are closely related. Stewart's device is really
>>>> a poor boys approach that accomplishes the same results.  "Elegantly
>>>> Simple".  Just want all to know and give credit to the source of the
>>>> knowledge that will make it all possible.  Sure glad you are into the
>>>> "Sacred Geometry" for in it lies all the answers to many questions. I
>>>> am working out the proper geometry of the circular self sustaining
>>>> device as we write and exchange ideas.  To answer your question regards
>>>> the Vesica Pieces pattern all you have to do is clasp both of your
>>>> cupped hands together and visualize the thrust vector that would run
>>>> diagonally through the neutral center of the nested cup formed by your
>>>> hands.  This is the energy vector formed by the intersection of two
>>>> energies coming together in exactly the same strengths and frequencies
>>>> to form the standing wave.  That is the way Joel and I see it but we
>>>> don't have all the answers and this explanation will surfice in our
>>>> minds till someone comes up with concrete proof otherwise.  You know
>>>> all about opinions, everyone has one and I'm sure all will have a
>>>> different answer as to how the TMI really works.  I had fun yesterday
>>>> going around and cleaning out 4 Radio Shack Store of their loose magnet
>>>> stock.  The Managers would ask me what I needed so many of these
>>>> magnets for.  I would say "Just ring up my purchase then I will tell
>>>> you".  After the sale was complete I would draw out the TMI and explain
>>>> to which the Manager would say, "darn it, you just bought all my
>>>> magnets so I will have to order more before I can build my own TMI.
>>>> The Tandy Wharehouse Computer is going nuts with this demand curve and
>>>> the reorder quantities are going out the roof.  I can see a night shift
>>>> working at the Tandy Magnet Plant at Ft. Worth.  Ha! Ha!  Will keep you
>>>> all informed as to progress on the "HEG".  Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message 11255                                  DATE/TIME: 02/05/95 12:35
>>>> >From   : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)               -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMIDEVIC
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> Hi Norm!  The hamster cage model was one Stewart and I both discussed
>>>> but I had designed one that is basically the current linear model on
>>>> edge.....there are several people who have written, called or emailed
>>>> they are doing essentially the same thing....to have one single closed
>>>> loop that propels the magnet continually is the secret and one that has
>>>> been missed for so many years....I am told there was a device of this
>>>> nature over 40 years ago that ran continuously....and after a couple of
>>>> years of so, everything became magnetic and the device stopped....the
>>>> inventor then simply replaced the magnets and it resumed...
>>>> ...
>>>> One other thing, do you remember the Hummel flying disk???  The
>>>> cylindrical magnetic suspension chamber uses the same continuous
>>>> forward thrust that had me going so bad on the way back and resulted in
>>>> that feeble attempt with the two black disks with all the little
>>>> magnets glued onto it.....
>>>> ...
>>>> It would have worked had they been attached as Stewart Harris had done to
>>>> take advantage of the 'magnetic instability'....since 1978, he has had
>>>> this information and been trying to get it out in one form or another,
>>>> now it's hit and will lead to phenomenal things....IT INDEED WORKS...
>>>> ...
>>>> Just got a call from Dan, after we talked last night, he rigged up the
>>>> magnets and was just laughing his head off at how it worked just as
>>>> described and dammit, after all these years, the principle (one of them)
>>>> is SO SIMPLE a child could do it.....anyway, he is placing an order
>>>> with AZ for hundreds of magnets to develop a circular track...
>>>> ...
>>>> It will be fun to watch this next year as the newsletters, conferences
>>>> and indeed THE MEDIA become aware and focussed on this principle...I
>>>> have sent out packages to all the contacts, TESLA, ESJ, BORDERLAND,
>>>> NEN, SEA, KING, BEARDEN, ETC....so they will be aware of what is going
>>>> on with the full details....it will simply expand now way beyond
>>>> this.....I just want Stewart to get his full due as the DISCOVERER of
>>>> the effect, not that others have not done it, but that Stewart first
>>>> RELEASED it for others to understand.....PHANTASTIC!!!......>>>  Jerry
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11272                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 08:08
>>>> >From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
>>>> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
>>>> Subject: (R) TMI Plans
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   JM> For those who may be interested in building a TMIDEVIC, here are
>>>>   JM> the measurements off mine, and it works, so it is a place to start.
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   [snip]
>>>>   JM>
>>>>   JM> Put together ten magnets.  They hold together pretty well as a
>>>> result
>>>>   JM> of their attractions, but you may want to smoothly tape around them
>>>>   JM> anyway.  This is the "runner".  The magnet stacks along the sides
>>>> of
>>>>   JM> the "up ramps" have a penny in between each adjacent magnet, so you
>>>>   JM> will want to tape around each stack.  Make these stacks, and set
>>>> them
>>>>   JM> aside.  Cut and prefold the cardboard.  Next, you will tape the
>>>> side
>>>>   JM> stacks to the top of the cardboard "up ramps".
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      This reminded me of some thing, so I want and pulled
>>>>   | my "Magnet File" (Need to look in my files more often
>>>>   | things in there I didn't remember having, see near end):
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      From Science & Mechanics Magazine, Spring 1980,
>>>>   | "Amazing Magnet-Powred Motor" by Jorma Hyypia.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      On page 46: "In the assembly at right the vehicle is
>>>>   | propelled, in either direction, by the force of the large
>>>>   | magnets arranged below tracks."
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      On page 47: is a Gauss plot:  "... plots of
>>>>   | experimental data showing the dramatically different
>>>>   | magnetic effects at the north and south poles of armature
>>>>   | magnet.  These are "STEEPED" [Emphasis mine] readings made
>>>>   | over the stator magnets and spaces between them.  If the
>>>>   | magnetic flux patterns are plotted on a continuous basis as
>>>>   | the armature moves along the stator track, the result is a
>>>>   | "sinousoidal" graph.  .... showing complex magnetic forces
>>>>   | interacting to create off-balance effects that move the
>>>>   | armature from right to left..."   This plot looks like your
>>>>   | corrugated cardboard.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      [Next plan a trip trip to Toys'R'Us ....]
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "A transparent plastic sheet atop this magnet
>>>>   | assembly supports a length of plastic model rail-road track.
>>>>   | The vehicle, basically a model railroad flatcar, supports a
>>>>   | foil-wrapped pair of curved magnets, plus some sort of
>>>>   | weight, in some cases merely a rock.  The weight is needed
>>>>   | to keep the vehicle down on the track, against the powerful
>>>>   | magnetic forces that would otherwise push it askew....
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "...I was prepared to develop eye strain in an
>>>>   | effort to detect some sort of motion in the vehicle. ... The
>>>>   | moment the inventor let go of the vehicle he carefully
>>>>   | placed at one end of the track, it accelerated and literally
>>>>   | **ZIPPED** from one end to the other onto the floor!
>>>>   | **Wow**!"
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      "Knowing that I would be asked if the track might
>>>>   | have had a slant, I reversed the vehicle and started it from
>>>>   | the opposite end of the track.  It worked just as effectively
>>>>   | in the reverse direction.  In fact, the vehicle can even
>>>>   | navigate a respectable up-grade."
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Also see patent "4,151,431 4/24/1979 Permanent
>>>>   | Magnet Motor" by Howard R. Johnson.  Note that the graph "biassing
>>>>   | magnetic field" on the first page is from some other patent,
>>>>   | but I don't know which one.  Also this patent is for a
>>>>   | rotatory thing not the linear thing described above.  It was
>>>>   | the linear model demonstrated, but the a rotary thing that
>>>>   | was patented.  Also there has been some questions over the
>>>>   | years if some of the article was true or not.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Don't over look neat things you can do with magnetic
>>>>   | 'craft' tape.  You can get 20 foot rolls at any 'craft
>>>>   | store', didn't you every wonder how all of those things got
>>>>   | stuck to the front of the refiduator????
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      There is also the work of Bill Muller (2/29/1984).
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Picture a "Lazy Susan" on the moving part are
>>>>   | intermixed magnets and iron blocks spaced every 22.5 degrees
>>>>   | (center to center).  On the outside (non moving part) are
>>>>   | larger magnets/blocks spaced every 24 degrees (center to
>>>>   | center).  I know this is vague, but I can't read most of the
>>>>   | details from this crummy copy.  It was reported to work, but
>>>>   | be slow and jerky, with little torque.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      As for the part about my bad memory, I have a copy
>>>>   | of "Perpetual Motion Journal", March 1969, Volume I, Number
>>>>   | 4.  Any one know if these people are still around?  One
>>>>   | thing I can say is that the quality of the coping machines
>>>>   | was a lot better back then than now, I can count the number
>>>>   | of turns on the coils...
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Any way it covers these patens:
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,835,721 for a permanent magnet motor by Arthur
>>>>   | Powell.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,963,213 for a magnetic motor was issued to J.W.
>>>>   | Poysa, 6/19/1934.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,859,643, 5/24/1932, by Mr. Harry L. Worthington.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      #1,859,764, May 24, 1932 by Geroge H. Bougon.  This
>>>>   | one closely resembles what you have described.
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      Also in the March 1879  (yes 18) issue of Harper's
>>>>   | Magazine, reprinted in "The Theosophist" for November 1879,
>>>>   | is reported to be a drawings of a working motor, any one got
>>>>   | these laying around?
>>>>   |
>>>>   |      And from NASA we have "A Linear Magnetic Motor and
>>>>   | Generator: A device that can be used as a bidirectional
>>>>   | motor or AC generator", GSC-12518.  [Nothing self sustaining
>>>>   | with this one tho.  I've noticed some thing about this NASA
>>>>   | stuff, any one of these things alone is not particularly
>>>>   | exciting.  But I've amassed a large collection of them, the
>>>>   | sum of the whole is more than its components, there is a
>>>>   | clear pattern of 'Free Energy' stuff emerging under
>>>>   | the guise of "Space Operation".]
>>>>   |
>>>>   |   "There is nothing new under the sun.  See this is new."
>>>>   |
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> Message 11268                                  DATE/TIME: 02/06/95 07:17
>>>> >From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>> To     : ALL
>>>> Subject: Inter-Atomic Resonance
>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>
>>>> For a long time I have been struggling with an idea or theory which I
>>>> will share with everyone now and will write up for Jerry as a file if
>>>> he wants to post it.  It goes like this: In 1892 Nikola Tesla created
>>>> electrostatic discharges from an induction coil that possesed every
>>>> characteristic of what we commonly know as a chemical decomposition
>>>> flame and posed the question to the scientific world; "Is a chemical
>>>> flame simply a release of atomic electrostatic rewsonances during
>>>> transition between states of matter?"  My Cold Fusion Patent search was
>>>> based on the theory that since electrostatic forces are the "glue" or
>>>> binding force which holds all mater together then if we use resonant
>>>> standing waves (scalar effect) then we could disassemble the atomic
>>>> structure which is what Tesla had proposed during his Lecture before
>>>> the Electrical Engineering Conference in London when de discribed his
>>>> carbon button lamp experiments. My theory explains the dissosation
>>>> process in the electrolytic cell when we separate hydrogen and oxygen
>>>> from water. It is the inter-atomic resonances that cause the
>>>> disassociation of the hydrogen from the oxygen in the simple
>>>> electroylisis of water.  The normally strong molecular bond of the H2O
>>>> molecule is broken by the difference in resonant frequencies of
>>>> hydrogen and oxygen which are excited by the flow of electric current.
>>>> When hydrogen is oxidized by oxygen (combustion) the results, water and
>>>> a release of energy which we perceive as heat and light is actually a
>>>> broad band of electrostatic resonances. This conforms with Tesla's
>>>> observations. Since the electromagnetic spectrum goes from "0"HZ or DC
>>>> all the way up to Cosmic Rays and who knows how much higher (infinity)
>>>> with no differentation or categories of energy then why can't all
>>>> frequencies be electrostatic resonances. When we feel heat we say  that
>>>> is "heat" but it is actually and electrostatic resonance that we
>>>> perceive as heat and if the frequency is high enough it becomes visible
>>>> red or even higher freq it becomes white light if the resonances are
>>>> broad band to encompass enough frequenciesa
>>>> More later on this subject for Jerry does not want files in the message
>>>> base.  Think about this one.  Norm
>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>
>>>> To all, as you can see that all of this TMIDEVIC activity occured during the whole MRA slug fest, both Joel and I were pretty busy juggling the balls in the circus. Lol
>>>>
>>>> On 2/17/2019 2:28 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you tell us more about this device Joel commented "this dog 
>>>>> will warp"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like some kind of Searle device possibly without the 
>>>>> individual rollers. Perhaps similar to my concept of polarization 
>>>>> bias via spin locking along with magnetic lenzing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting how ferromagnetic materials are so easy to achieve 
>>>>> molecular alignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> When studying the MRA did you determine to what alignment 
>>>>> relationship the piezo had with the E field, if it was 
>>>>> perpendicular again as the E to B and in what direction of rotation?
>>>>> Assuming the insect flight may also have something to do with 
>>>>> piezo electric mode...
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonder which way one would have to align to allow for transparency 
>>>>> to visible light...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2019 5:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vortex phenomenon is everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message 11108 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:13
>>>>>> From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> To     : GLENDA STOCKS
>>>>>> Subject: TMIDEVIC
>>>>>> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenda:  Several things have transpired over the last week on the net
>>>>>> that had me really "puzzled" then I realized what was occuring. See I
>>>>>> work everyday like most people and come home in the evenings and 
>>>>>> catch
>>>>>> up on the messages on the Keely-Net. Since Joel and I are 
>>>>>> partners and
>>>>>> share all data and information that we fall heir to I have a 
>>>>>> habbit of
>>>>>> calling Joel and discussing all the details as to what has been 
>>>>>> posted
>>>>>> to the Net during the course of the day. Since Joel works out of his
>>>>>> home he is responding during the day to messages and posting 
>>>>>> results of
>>>>>> our discussions and project progress. What became obvious to me was
>>>>>> that I had become a "transparent" party to the action.  What made me
>>>>>> realize this was a comment made by someone (I never forget little
>>>>>> comments) that Joel had more info on the "hydrosonic pump".  The
>>>>>> hydrosonic pump research was a project that I started back last 
>>>>>> summer
>>>>>> and Joel got interested in the strange phenomenon that I reported on
>>>>>> the Net.  As a result of these experiments that we jointly 
>>>>>> conducted we
>>>>>> became "attached at the brain", Ha! hA!. I promise that I'll try to
>>>>>> post thoughts and ideas on the board in the future instead of just
>>>>>> calling Joel this way you guys and gals will see both sides of the
>>>>>> conversation instead of just one side. What I am saying is that Joel
>>>>>> and I have both been involved in a "crash course" on "Sacred 
>>>>>> Geometry"
>>>>>> so that we can see how all these things work in nature.  On the TMI
>>>>>> device Joel and I have worked out a full sustaining method of making
>>>>>> the TMI not only run itself continously but generate power in the
>>>>>> process and if you so desire take "flight" just like the Searle Disk.
>>>>>> Last night I went out to Joel's and we had a long visit during 
>>>>>> which we
>>>>>> worked outr a lot of the details as to how the device actually worked
>>>>>> and how it related to the Searle rollers. After I got back home I ran
>>>>>> several test on the magnet runner for I was interested in the
>>>>>> relationship between the fixed track portions and the rotating 
>>>>>> magnetic
>>>>>> runner or roller. The interesting phenomenon here is that the runner
>>>>>> has to be rotating or the device will not provide the necessary 
>>>>>> thrust
>>>>>> to continue to move.  One very interesting point that Stewart 
>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>> was that he used the "tinker toy" wheels to slow down the roller. 
>>>>>> Well
>>>>>> what I did was increase the spin rate of the roller or runner by the
>>>>>> Phi rate in relation to the fixed magnetic track and found that the
>>>>>> intersecting vesica pieces vortex paterns were multiplied to the 
>>>>>> extent
>>>>>> that this thing has incredible thrust and does not need the broken
>>>>>> segments in the track as per the original plans.  The track can be a
>>>>>> continous vortical or helixal magnetic flow with the runner magnetic
>>>>>> vortex intersecting at 90 degrees to provide 3D nested visica pieces
>>>>>> vortices.  Very interesting little device which as Joel properly put
>>>>>> it, "This dog will WARP".  A very true statement for what you 
>>>>>> will have
>>>>>> created is a very simplified version of John Searle's SEG. For 
>>>>>> you non
>>>>>> indoctrinated out there that means Searle Effect Generator. This 
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> properly constructed will not only run itself but generate plenty of
>>>>>> excess power in the process.  The biggest problem you are faced 
>>>>>> is that
>>>>>> if you ever lose the laod on it you will have the same problem that
>>>>>> John Searle had in that your home powering generator will simply
>>>>>> accelerate to the critical velocity of the rollers and simply fly 
>>>>>> away
>>>>>> leaving a hole in your roof.  All kind of possibilities here. Thanks
>>>>>> for sharing this little device with the world.  Everyone will 
>>>>>> have fun
>>>>>> with this one.  Norm
>>>>>> ===============================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/16/2019 7:32 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Message 11109 DATE/TIME: 02/01/95 07:46
>>>>>> > From   : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> > To     : BERT POOL
>>>>>> > Subject: MIT report
>>>>>> > Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bert:  Great report you posted yesterday. I need to go back to the
>>>>>> > Hydrosonic Pump testing that Joel and I did and write up our 
>>>>>> findings
>>>>>> > so those guys will have a better understanding as to what is 
>>>>>> going on
>>>>>> > in the Griggs and Perkins type pumps. They are off track by 
>>>>>> believing
>>>>>> > that the pitting effect on the rotor is caused by heat. joel 
>>>>>> and I have
>>>>>> > already determined that the whole anomolous heating effect is an
>>>>>> > electrical phenomenon which we proved by building the pump unit 
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> > transparent outer tube so we could study the cadeuses helix 
>>>>>> standing
>>>>>> > wave patterns which were composed of millions of very tiny 
>>>>>> bubbles in
>>>>>> > the shape of little tornadoes in the form of an "S" shape. The
>>>>>> > electrical effect is obvious by the presence of a very strong 
>>>>>> magnetic
>>>>>> > field around the rotor in the form of a magnetic monopole.  I'm am
>>>>>> > surprised that Gene Mallove did not tell Griggs about our 
>>>>>> research fro
>>>>>> > I sent him a complete package on our testing of the Perkins 
>>>>>> Pump unit
>>>>>> > along with the MRA info. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Norm
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 2/16/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>> >> Moray King,  please note.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Message 11075 DATE/TIME: 01/31/95 09:40
>>>>>> >> From   : BERT POOL                          -- RECEIVED --
>>>>>> >> To     : NORMAN WOOTAN
>>>>>> >> Subject: Griggs, C.F., motors, etc., cont.
>>>>>> >> Folder : D, "Special Associates Area Alpha"
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Norm, here's the good stuff!
>>>>>> >> Message #800 - Fidonet - Science
>>>>>> >>    Date: 01-23-95 23:55:14
>>>>>> >>    From: Michael Fullerton
>>>>>> >>      To: All
>>>>>> >> Subject: Cold Fusion Day at MIT
>>>>>> >> Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
>>>>>> >> From: [email protected] (Eugene Mallove)
>>>>>> >> Subject: Brief Report on MIT IAP Cold Fusion Day
>>>>>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:50:03 GMT
>>>>>> >> Lines: 139
>>>>>> >> [
>>>>>> >> *Brief* Memo on IAP Cold Fusion Day at MIT by Eugene F. Mallove,
>>>>>> >>    Sc.D., meeting organizer
>>>>>> >> [
>>>>>> >> The Cold Fusion Day IAP meeting at MIT on Saturday, January 
>>>>>> 21, which
>>>>>> >> I organized, was in my view, a spectacular success. About 150
>>>>>> >> attendees in rapt attention for about 10 hours in the main Physics
>>>>>> >> Lecture Hall (Room 6-120). Several high points came at the end 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> >> day:
>>>>>> >> (A) Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. (Rome, Georgia) gave a
>>>>>> >> magnificent presentation with new data on *massive melting* 
>>>>>> that has
>>>>>> >> occurred on the periphery of his Hydrosonic Pump aluminum 
>>>>>> rotors on
>>>>>> >> several occasions. He also described re-welding of melted 
>>>>>> material to
>>>>>> >> the rotor surface -- an even higher-temperature effect, he 
>>>>>> said. He
>>>>>> >> had one such rotor unit there and you could see and feel it.
>>>>>> >> Fantastically high temerpatures would be required to do that 
>>>>>> and this
>>>>>> >> is NOT ordinary cavitation. Among other observations, if it were
>>>>>> >> simple cavitation, why would that not occur as a regular 
>>>>>> feature of
>>>>>> >> Hydrosonic Pump operation? -- it does not. Cavitation experts at
>>>>>> >> Georgia Inst. of Technology have now become involved. They say 
>>>>>> it is
>>>>>> >> NOT cavitaiton. Griggs presented some stunning photomicrographs.
>>>>>> >> Meanwhile, the over-unity effect continues to be seen, even as 
>>>>>> Griggs
>>>>>> >> continues to sell in recent months several hundred thousand 
>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>> >> worth of Hydrosonic Pumps for standard applications up to 250 HP.
>>>>>> >> (B) Bert Werjefelt from PolyTech(USA) in Hawaii spoke about 
>>>>>> his work
>>>>>> >> on magnetic motors and the theory behind them. He reported that
>>>>>> >> experiments have seen output powers of 450 watts electric, 
>>>>>> with only
>>>>>> >> 150 watts electric going in. Attempts at self-sustaining have been
>>>>>> >> successfull for periods of minutes. The company now thinks it 
>>>>>> knows
>>>>>> >> how to make a self-sustainer continue indefinitely and is 
>>>>>> building one
>>>>>> >> right now, expected to be ready in the next month or two. He 
>>>>>> showed
>>>>>> >> gorgeous CAD diagrams of the 100-200 watt self-sustainer now under
>>>>>> >> construction in Hawaii. He explained how it worked (the precise
>>>>>> >> balancing of repulsion and attraction systems to substantially 
>>>>>> reduce
>>>>>> >> torque). It was obvious that many if not most in the audience 
>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>> >> his apparently very solid experimental conclusions -- even 
>>>>>> *some* I
>>>>>> >> would have thought would have left in disgust. Werjefelt put 
>>>>>> forth his
>>>>>> >> theoretical ideas, which are based, in part, on suggestions 
>>>>>> made by
>>>>>> >> several (now) Nobel laureate physicists in the 1950s regarding 
>>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>> >> magnetic spin systems (Pound, Purcell, and Ramsey). Others in the
>>>>>> >> audience were extremely excited by this report, and put forth 
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> >> theoretical ideas. Werjefelt is a solid mechanical engineer, whose
>>>>>> >> company manufactures pioneering FAA-certified safetly 
>>>>>> equipment. He is
>>>>>> >> deeply involved in aviation safety issues and would have much
>>>>>> >> credibility to lose if he were not on absolutely solid ground with
>>>>>> >> this magnetic energy technology. He has been working quietly 
>>>>>> in this
>>>>>> >> field for about ten years. On the advice of his patent 
>>>>>> attorneys, he
>>>>>> >> published his general ideas in an article titled, "Magnetic 
>>>>>> Battery,"
>>>>>> >> in that countner-scientific culture journal, "Extraordinary 
>>>>>> Science"
>>>>>> >> (Telsa Society), May/June/July 1993, which is availbale in 
>>>>>> places like
>>>>>> >> Barnes& Nobel book stores. Don't let your prejudices about the 
>>>>>> Tesla
>>>>>> >> Society fool you, this is a very carefully crafted scientific 
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> >> with some excellent possible avenues to explain concrete 
>>>>>> experimental
>>>>>> >> results.
>>>>>> >> The 8-minute video tape of the Japanese developments in this 
>>>>>> area of
>>>>>> >> "Dream Energy" (Magnetic Energy) was shown. This had aired on 
>>>>>> FUJI TV
>>>>>> >> in Japan on October 20, 1993. There are four major coporations
>>>>>> >> involved under MITI aegis: Sumitomo, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and
>>>>>> >> Matsushita. Werjefelt's company appears to have a very strong 
>>>>>> patent
>>>>>> >> position in his area, however. The chief engineer of the Aerospace
>>>>>> >> Division of Sumitomo has visited Werjefelt and told him that this
>>>>>> >> discovery is "the greatest discovery of the 20th century."
>>>>>> >> Gene Mallove, who has been working with others who are getting
>>>>>> >> similar, related results with smaller units,  will co-author a 
>>>>>> paper
>>>>>> >> with Bert Werjefelt that will be presented at the Fifth 
>>>>>> International
>>>>>> >> Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF5) in Monte Carlo, Monaco 
>>>>>> (April 9-13,
>>>>>> >> 1995). This paper will present both experimental evidence and a
>>>>>> >> suggested theoretical framework. It is expected that several 
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> >> self-sustaining units will be brought to ICCF5. There is a 
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> >> (likely!) connection with cold fusion thermal effects that 
>>>>>> have been
>>>>>> >> seen.
>>>>>> >> The MIT IAP proceedings of 1/21/95 were professionally 
>>>>>> videotaped. A
>>>>>> >> sligthly edited full-version of the day-long program ( 8-10 hours)
>>>>>> >> will be distributed by Cold Fusion Technology. Also, a shorter 
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> >> summary (less than two hours) will be be prepared by Mallove, 
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> >> with a video production corporation in Manchester, NH. Due to 
>>>>>> schedule
>>>>>> >> overload, it may be another 4 weeks before the tapes are 
>>>>>> available..
>>>>>> >> Every effort will be made to accelerate the process. A transcribed
>>>>>> >> version of some of the talks is also being planned by Cold Fusion
>>>>>> >> Technology.
>>>>>> >> This is only the "tip of the iceberg" of the incredible events 
>>>>>> at MIT
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Day. In retrospect, this was an extremely historic
>>>>>> >> meeting. It was the first time that present and imminent
>>>>>> >> commercial-level power production from cold fusion/free energy was
>>>>>> >> discussed in a completely scientific manner at a major 
>>>>>> university. The
>>>>>> >> message was apparently very well received. Mallove received 
>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>> >> compliments on the decorum and solidity of the sessions.
>>>>>> >> The former editors of "Cold Fusion" Magazine have joined 
>>>>>> forces and
>>>>>> >> put out an interim "Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology" (CFNET) 
>>>>>> Update,
>>>>>> >> a 36 page compendium -- mostly on cold fusion. This was 
>>>>>> distributed
>>>>>> >> free of charge to attendees at the MIT IAP meeting. Others wanting
>>>>>> >> this document should send a nominal $5.00 to Cold Fusion 
>>>>>> Technology to
>>>>>> >> obtain a copy for themselves:
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816 USA
>>>>>> >> Fax: 603-224-5975, Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>>> >> This CFNET Update is a precursor to the continuation of a 
>>>>>> **reliable**
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion/New Energy Technology magazine (title yet to be
>>>>>> >> finalized).
>>>>>> >> ****A recent posting by Victor Lapuszynski of "Cold Fusion" at WGI
>>>>>> >> contained an egregious error: Piantelli has NOT seen "50 *MeV*
>>>>>> >> gammas"! He has observed 50 KeV gammas, and will be publishing 
>>>>>> a paper
>>>>>> >> soon. And so there is absolutely NO CONFUSION here: There is 
>>>>>> no longer
>>>>>> >> any connection whatsoever between Wayne Green's "Cold Fusion"
>>>>>> >> newsletter and Cold Fusion Technology in Concord, New 
>>>>>> Hampshire. An
>>>>>> >> indication of the "quality" of the present editorial direction at
>>>>>> >> "Cold Fusion" at WGI: Mr. Lapuszynski left the sessions after 
>>>>>> repeated
>>>>>> >> announcements that two extremely important presentations on
>>>>>> >> experiments were to be made.]****
>>>>>> >> National Public Radio aired a one-hour cold fusion program 
>>>>>> (1/20/95)
>>>>>> >> the day before the MIT IAP program, as part of the Ira Flatow 
>>>>>> "Science
>>>>>> >> Friday" show. Featued for the "pro" side were Dr. Edmund Storms,
>>>>>> >> formerly of Los Alamos National Laboratory and Dr. Eugene 
>>>>>> Mallove of
>>>>>> >> Cold Fusion Technology, who gave a brief overview of what the next
>>>>>> >> day's MIT Cold Fusion program would be about. Also on air were two
>>>>>> >> members of the "Flat Earth Society" -- Gary Taubes, author of "Bad
>>>>>> >> Science: The Short Life and Weird Times of Cold Fusion" and 
>>>>>> Professor
>>>>>> >> David Goodstein of Caltech, neither of whom obviously knew 
>>>>>> what they
>>>>>> >> were talking about in the matter of cold fusion. Neither have been
>>>>>> >> seen at any cold fusion conferences in recent years, but that 
>>>>>> did not
>>>>>> >> stop them from calling cold fusion research "lousy science." Both
>>>>>> >> managed to record themselves for posterity as the pontificating,
>>>>>> >> ignorant naysayers that they are -- at this, the 11th hour and 
>>>>>> 59th
>>>>>> >> minute of the Fossil Fuel Era, at the dawn of the New Energy 
>>>>>> Age. A
>>>>>> >> copy of this tape can be obtained from National Public Radio in
>>>>>> >> Washington.
>>>>>> >> Sincerely, Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D., Cold Fusion Technology,
>>>>>> >> P.O. Box 2816, Concord, NH 03302-2816, Fax: 603-224-5975,
>>>>>> >> Phone: 603-228-4516
>>>>>> >> >> Good stuff, no? Bert
>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>> =============================================================================== 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
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