Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in The Lab With Surprising Simplicity

https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger

https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm

http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/

After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter 
Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real 
surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, 
where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked 
me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the 
sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very 
powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with 
the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about 
ten minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons 
of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and 
the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully 
measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width 
ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major 
contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly 
what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  
suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational 
energy. Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was 
produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting 
phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex 
Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.

On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>
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>
> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area of 
anti-gravity. On device that escapes mention was the Farrow Device. See, 
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use Hertzian waves, 
EM force which in reality is what happens in the Schauberger repulsine 
device because of the ionization that occurs.  
http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm

Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger and 
Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, TX, the 
proposed re-location home. see

1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical 
experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son Walter. 
Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor 
Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further 
research with Implosion. All documents, models and equipment are left 
behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies 
on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta

On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>
> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>
> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>
> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>
> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter 
> Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real 
> surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, 
> Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners 
> wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  
> We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  
> Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 
> 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would 
> take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. 
> Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding 
> the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous 
> Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop 
> sink. Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 
> 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very 
> powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind was to 
> install an impeller on a shaft suspended in the vortex core at the 
> exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter 
> wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly 
> defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon. TRUE STORY.   BTW, 
> the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of 
> the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>
> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>
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>>
>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

Additional info.  See http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf

On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area 
> of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow 
> Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use 
> Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the 
> Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs. 
> http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>
> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger 
> and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, 
> TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>
> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical 
> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son 
> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) 
> Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any 
> further research with Implosion. All documents, models and equipment 
> are left behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor 
> Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, 
> Margarete, Huberta
>
> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>
>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>
>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>
>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>
>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter 
>> Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real 
>> surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, 
>> Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners 
>> wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  
>> We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  
>> Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down 
>> the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It 
>> would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain 
>> completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water. Having read everything 
>> regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of 
>> the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions 
>> of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was 
>> a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the 
>> very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind 
>> was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core 
>> at the exit to capture the high rotational energy. Both Victor and 
>> Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very 
>> tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE 
>> STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a 
>> perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>>
>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>

With simple, inexpensive apparatus he is reported to have passed rays 
through 11-1/2 inches of lead and 4-1/2 inches of steel, at such 
strength as to sear dental X-ray films encased in tinfoil. See 
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/are-x-rays-outclassed-by-powerful-new-odic-ray/

On 2/10/2019 8:00 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Additional info.  See http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>
> On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area 
>> of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow 
>> Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use 
>> Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the 
>> Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs. 
>> http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>
>> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger 
>> and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, 
>> TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>
>> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical 
>> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son 
>> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, 
>> Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, 
>> forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, 
>> models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his 
>> return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's 
>> Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>
>>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>
>>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>
>>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>
>>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed 
>>> Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I 
>>> got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up 
>>> in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The 
>>> owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain 
>>> properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the 
>>> drain plug. Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could 
>>> look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation 
>>> velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water 
>>> to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read 
>>> everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  
>>> formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all 
>>> the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of 
>>> the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major 
>>> contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  
>>> Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a 
>>> shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high 
>>> rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona 
>>> charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. 
>>> Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger 
>>> Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole 
>>> Space Phenomenon.
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>>>
>>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>>

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Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!

Norm,

You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the
Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the
main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it. 
Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile
or metaphor.

What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have created
a levity platform and if so how?

Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant
recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force I
think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular
momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the
center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.


On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>
> On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area
>> of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow
>> Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use
>> Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the
>> Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs. 
>> http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>
>> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger
>> and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman,
>> TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>
>> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical
>> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son
>> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger,
>> Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement,
>> forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents,
>> models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his
>> return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's
>> Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>
>>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>
>>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>
>>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>
>>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed
>>> Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I
>>> got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up
>>> in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The
>>> owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain
>>> properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the
>>> drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you
>>> could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex
>>> rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for
>>> the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water. 
>>> Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the
>>> influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully
>>> measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs
>>> width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a
>>> major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation. 
>>> Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a
>>> shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high
>>> rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona
>>> charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit.
>>> Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger
>>> Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole
>>> Space Phenomenon.
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  
via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced 
flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory of 
lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and 
Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the 
causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the 
fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the 
anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being ionization 
induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex 
generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.

On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the 
> Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the 
> main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it.  
> Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile 
> or metaphor.
>
> What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have 
> created a levity platform and if so how?
>
> Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant 
> recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force 
> I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular 
> momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the 
> center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>
>
> On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Additional info.  See http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area 
>>> of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow 
>>> Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use 
>>> Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the 
>>> Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs. 
>>> http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>
>>> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger 
>>> and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, 
>>> TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>
>>> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical 
>>> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son 
>>> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, 
>>> Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, 
>>> forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, 
>>> models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his 
>>> return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's 
>>> Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>
>>>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>
>>>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed 
>>>> Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I 
>>>> got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up 
>>>> in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. 
>>>> The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not 
>>>> drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled 
>>>> the drain plug. Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you 
>>>> could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex 
>>>> rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for 
>>>> the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  
>>>> Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the 
>>>> influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully 
>>>> measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs 
>>>> width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a 
>>>> major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  
>>>> Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a 
>>>> shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high 
>>>> rotational energy. Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona 
>>>> charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core 
>>>> exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger 
>>>> Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole 
>>>> Space Phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

Norm, you did state clearly the effect with the bug drawing, just was
not sure the credence you put into the story, or if indeed you
considered it possible what G would have done with the bug parts.

Ok then, if ionization is part and parcel of the mini tornados as charge
separation then it simply needs to be as Ole likes to say cohered or
polarized into one spin vector where all the mini tornados line up.  The
magnetic cooling metal looks like an interesting path in order to cohere
through a para magnetic means as magnetic mirror/lens or possibly just
Bismuth.    I recall Bearden telling me public disclosure of monopoles
throw the powers that be into a tizzy.

"


  Condensed Matter > Mesoscale and Nanoscale Physics


  Direct comparison of current-induced spin polarization in topological
  insulator Bi2Se3 and InAs Rashba states

Connie H. Li
<https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+C+H>, Olaf
M. J. van t Erve
<https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=van+t+Erve%2C+O+M+J>, Shivani
Rajput
<https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Rajput%2C+S>, Lian
Li
<https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+L>, Berry
T. Jonker
<https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Jonker%2C+B+T>
(Submitted on 23 May 2016)

    Three-dimensional topological insulators (TIs) exhibit time-reversal
    symmetry protected, linearly dispersing Dirac surface states. Band
    bending at the TI surface may also lead to coexisting trivial
    two-dimensional electron gas (2DEG) states with parabolic energy
    dispersion that exist as spin-split pairs due to Rashba spin-orbit
    coupling (SOC). A bias current is expected to generate spin
    polarization in both systems arising from their helical
    spin-momentum locking. However, their induced spin polarization is
    expected to be different in both magnitude and sign. Here, we
    compare spin potentiometric measurements of bias current-generated
    spin polarization in Bi2Se3(111) films where Dirac surface states
    coexist with trivial 2DEG states, with identical measurements on
    InAs(001) samples where only trivial 2DEG states are present. We
    observe spin polarization arising from spin-momentum locking in both
    cases, with opposite signs of the spin voltage. We present a model
    based on spin dependent electrochemical potentials to directly
    derive the signs expected for the TI surface states, and
    unambiguously show that the dominant contribution to the
    current-generated spin polarization measured in the TI is from the
    Dirac surface states. This direct electrical access of the helical
    spin texture of Dirac and Rashba 2DEG states is an enabling step
    towards the electrical manipulation of spins in next generation TI
    and SOC based quantum devices."


On 2/11/2019 4:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur 
> via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced
> flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory
> of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli
> and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be 
> the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back
> to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of
> the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being
> ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or
> vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes,
> Stress Fields.
>
> On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the
>> Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the
>> main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of
>> it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a
>> simile or metaphor.
>>
>> What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have
>> created a levity platform and if so how?
>>
>> Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant
>> recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force
>> I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular
>> momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the
>> center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the
>>>> area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the
>>>> Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm 
>>>> here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what
>>>> happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>> ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>
>>>> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger
>>>> and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman,
>>>> TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>>
>>>> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical
>>>> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son
>>>> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger,
>>>> Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement,
>>>> forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents,
>>>> models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after
>>>> his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's
>>>> Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>
>>>>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed
>>>>> Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I
>>>>> got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp
>>>>> up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry
>>>>> area. The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would
>>>>> not drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and
>>>>> pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed
>>>>> and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme
>>>>> vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten
>>>>> minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30
>>>>> gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden
>>>>> Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous
>>>>> Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the
>>>>> mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a
>>>>> perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the
>>>>> very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my
>>>>> mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the
>>>>> vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy. 
>>>>> Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was
>>>>> produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting
>>>>> phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex
>>>>> Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

Warren,

Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best system
uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from metal powders. 
One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
http://www.arcam.com/

The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to
replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize the
systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to blame it
on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to setup a new Fab
cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these are fully automated
chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology is changing so fast they
don't have time to use the old buildings just mothball the whole last
system building and all or lose out.  AMD has gone fabless and just bids
out the best silicon forge at the time.  Now that the concept is
perfected there is not much of the small lithography stuff around anymore. 

I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it away
if it can be located.

It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the Originator of
Fourth language (the most efficient high level language) designed a
system to build one offs and skip one of the expensive steps involved in
forging a chip.  That's funny you were able to play with substrate that
could be band saw cut, how things change!

On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Norm
>
> Some number of years ago when working as director of research
> for a research and development project for a medical company,
> I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much like
> your vortex problems.
> The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
> Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically at
> that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to be
> deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D printing, on
> a microscopic level.
> Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork was
> quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system put on the car!
> Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent contractors
> with chip making capability, taking advantage of government tax grants
> to encourage industry.
> I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny vortex
> nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by the square meter.
> When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw them
> from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw, if you
> can believe?
> They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
> They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about average.
> In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
> What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that much.
> They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an organization.
> Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done, and
> don't cost that much.
> If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing what
> just one person can do.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could
>     occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter
>     vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would
>     agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in
>     addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced
>     vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG effect we
>     have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of
>     ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity examples have one
>     common denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics,
>     Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All
>     occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.
>
>     On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Norm,
>>
>>     You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent
>>     the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and
>>     he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests
>>     is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect
>>     wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>
>>     What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have
>>     created a levity platform and if so how?
>>
>>     Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying,
>>     cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the
>>     stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of
>>     energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression
>>     on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer
>>     for Warren.
>>
>>
>>     On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>
>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the
>>>>     area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the
>>>>     Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm 
>>>>     here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what
>>>>     happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>>     ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>
>>>>     Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>     Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking
>>>>     down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>>
>>>>     1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>     practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas
>>>>     with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute.
>>>>     (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an
>>>>     agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion.
>>>>     All documents, models and equipment are left behind in the USA.
>>>>     Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on
>>>>     September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>
>>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>      
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>     http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>
>>>>>     After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed
>>>>>     Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion
>>>>>     Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was
>>>>>     in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community
>>>>>     wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at
>>>>>     the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the
>>>>>     sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug. 
>>>>>     Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look
>>>>>     down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation
>>>>>     velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for the
>>>>>     water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water. 
>>>>>     Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and
>>>>>     the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I
>>>>>     carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes,
>>>>>     the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618
>>>>>     ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very
>>>>>     powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind
>>>>>     was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex
>>>>>     core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both
>>>>>     Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was
>>>>>     produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit.
>>>>>     Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger
>>>>>     Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black
>>>>>     Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>     https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>
>

Warren,

If one desired to replicate the whorl of a vortex in a sink draining can
you think of a way one could freeze the water of some other liquid fast
enough to be able to bandsaw through the ice to make an accurate mold?

Maybe a regular freeze job would work, easy to try up where you are with
one of those 5 or 10 gallon horse water buckets.

It would be super cool to have an exact vortex dimension!

I can only hope the mom and pops are left that can create amazing things
but every time I go to find one of these it's often a retired machinist
in his 70's or older.  We do as you say now have 3d printers so this
opens up all sort of new potentials.   I just wish I could get a small
shop size Arcam for under a grand, then it would be party time.  I can't
find anything affordable that 3d prints metal at high tolerance without
polymer binders and kiln process in which finished work which looks like
wax on a sunny day.  So far the EDM powder 3d process looks like the
best one running.   Not sure why no one has miniaturized to lets say a
10 grand unit.  Just the work off plastic molds it could pay for itself
the first job.

You found someone who made custom size tires and vulcanized their own
rubber, that's quite the find!

On 2/11/2019 9:34 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
>
> There are little mom and pop shops still eecking out a living making
> old fashioned chips with lithography, I bet, since some low production
> industries still sell a limited number of specialized units made in
> this country, and certainly, in the states.
> I found a truck tire manufacturer in the States that, believe it or
> not, was not even connected to the internet, let alone having a web site.
> I got my antique truck tires of the weird size, at a fair price, and
> am quite happy with the quality.
> In conclusion, we are not the only ones needing to make stuff.
> Asking around works
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Warren,
>
>     Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best
>     system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from
>     metal powders.  One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
>     http://www.arcam.com/
>
>     The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to
>     replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize
>     the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to
>     blame it on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to
>     setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these
>     are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology
>     is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings
>     just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose out. 
>     AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon forge at
>     the time.  Now that the concept is perfected there is not much of
>     the small lithography stuff around anymore. 
>
>     I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it
>     away if it can be located.
>
>     It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the
>     Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level
>     language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the
>     expensive steps involved in forging a chip.  That's funny you were
>     able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how things
>     change!
>
>     On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Norm
>>
>>     Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>>     for a research and development project for a medical company,
>>     I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much
>>     like your vortex problems.
>>     The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>>     Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically
>>     at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to
>>     be deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D
>>     printing, on a microscopic level.
>>     Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork
>>     was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system
>>     put on the car!
>>     Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent
>>     contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of
>>     government tax grants to encourage industry.
>>     I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny
>>     vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by
>>     the square meter.
>>     When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw
>>     them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw,
>>     if you can believe?
>>     They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>>     They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about
>>     average.
>>     In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
>>     What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that
>>     much.
>>     They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an
>>     organization.
>>     Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done,
>>     and don't cost that much.
>>     If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing
>>     what just one person can do.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect
>>         could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex,
>>         counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect.
>>         It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft
>>         wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law. 
>>         The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing
>>         factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to
>>         the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All
>>         of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator,
>>         that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave,
>>         Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at
>>         the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.
>>
>>         On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Norm,
>>>
>>>         You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>         insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of
>>>         substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West
>>>         with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the
>>>         gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>
>>>         What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may
>>>         have created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>
>>>         Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were
>>>         studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90
>>>         degrees to the stress force I think an important part is
>>>         imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to
>>>         my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We
>>>         try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Additional info.  See 
>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was
>>>>>         in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes
>>>>>         mention was the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>         http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use
>>>>>         Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens
>>>>>         in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>>>         ionization that occurs. 
>>>>>         http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>         Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>         Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>         looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location
>>>>>         home. see
>>>>>
>>>>>         1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>         practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to
>>>>>         Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy
>>>>>         dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was
>>>>>         forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further
>>>>>         research with Implosion. All documents, models and
>>>>>         equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his
>>>>>         return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th
>>>>>         ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>         followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with
>>>>>>         Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall
>>>>>>         of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where
>>>>>>         we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners
>>>>>>         wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not
>>>>>>         drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity
>>>>>>         and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful
>>>>>>         vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch
>>>>>>         drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would
>>>>>>         take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to
>>>>>>         drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water. 
>>>>>>         Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios
>>>>>>         and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion
>>>>>>         vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the
>>>>>>         mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box
>>>>>>         was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing
>>>>>>         factor with the very powerful vortex formation. 
>>>>>>         Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an
>>>>>>         impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the
>>>>>>         exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor
>>>>>>         and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was
>>>>>>         produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit.
>>>>>>         Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the
>>>>>>         Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect
>>>>>>         replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>         https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>
>

NormSome number of years ago when working as director of research
for a research and development project for a medical company,I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much like your vortex problems.The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level.Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system put on the car!Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of government tax grants to encourage industry.I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by the square meter.When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw, if you can believe?They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about average.In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that much.They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an organization.Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done, and don't cost that much.If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing what just one person can do.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.
 
 On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm, 
 
 
You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
 
 
What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have created a levity platform and if so how?
 
Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.
 
 

 
 On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
 
 On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
  
 
BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
 
 
Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
 
1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
 On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
 
https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
 
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
 
http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
 
After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
 
 On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole 
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MickThere are little mom and pop shops still eecking out a living making old fashioned chips with lithography, I bet, since some low production industries still sell a limited number of specialized units made in this country, and certainly, in the states.I found a truck tire manufacturer in the States that, believe it or not, was not even connected to the internet, let alone having a web site.I got my antique truck tires of the weird size, at a fair price, and am quite happy with the quality.
In conclusion, we are not the only ones needing to make stuff.Asking around worksCheers Warren
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  On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren,
 
Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from metal powders.  One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
 http://www.arcam.com/
 
 
The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to blame it on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose out.  AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon forge at the time.  Now that the concept is perfected there is not much of the small lithography stuff around anymore.  
 
 
I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it away if it can be located.
 
It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the expensive steps involved in forging a chip.  That's funny you were able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how things change!
 
 On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm
 Some number of years ago when working as director of research
 for a research and development project for a medical company, I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much like your vortex problems. The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used. Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level. Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system put on the car! Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of government tax grants to encourage industry. I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by the square meter. When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw, if you can believe? They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine. They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about average. In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps? What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that much. They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an organization. Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done, and don't cost that much. If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing what just one person can do. Cheers Warren
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  On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.
 
  On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Norm, 
 
 
You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
 
 
What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have created a levity platform and if so how?
 
Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.
 
 

 
 On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
 
 On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
  
 
BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
 
 
Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
 
1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a  heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All  documents, models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
 On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
 
https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
 
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
 
http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
 
After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I  got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at  the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It  would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex  formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit.  Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
 
 On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole 
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Guys check the math Dan has employed , I think he used similar ratios for his super imploder.

http://www.fractalfield.com/implodermagneticresearch/
SUPERIMPLODER: Magnetic Water Treatment IS Proven Effective: More Evidence - fractalfield.com<http://www.fractalfield.com/implodermagneticresearch/>
Einstein:the solution to infinite non-destructive (charge)compression IS the unified field. ..So- if perfect compression is the solution to virtually every science problem in history: gravity, alchemy, fusion, urban design, computers.. the physics of human (peak)perception/bliss.. the list goes on - THEN what does it mean that we have just proven the (fractality perfected) wave mechanics ...
www.fractalfield.com





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Sent: February 11, 2019 2:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in The Lab With Surprising Simplicity



Warren,

If one desired to replicate the whorl of a vortex in a sink draining can you think of a way one could freeze the water of some other liquid fast enough to be able to bandsaw through the ice to make an accurate mold?

Maybe a regular freeze job would work, easy to try up where you are with one of those 5 or 10 gallon horse water buckets.

It would be super cool to have an exact vortex dimension!

I can only hope the mom and pops are left that can create amazing things but every time I go to find one of these it's often a retired machinist in his 70's or older.  We do as you say now have 3d printers so this opens up all sort of new potentials.   I just wish I could get a small shop size Arcam for under a grand, then it would be party time.  I can't find anything affordable that 3d prints metal at high tolerance without polymer binders and kiln process in which finished work which looks like wax on a sunny day.  So far the EDM powder 3d process looks like the best one running.   Not sure why no one has miniaturized to lets say a 10 grand unit.  Just the work off plastic molds it could pay for itself the first job.

You found someone who made custom size tires and vulcanized their own rubber, that's quite the find!

On 2/11/2019 9:34 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick

There are little mom and pop shops still eecking out a living making old fashioned chips with lithography, I bet, since some low production industries still sell a limited number of specialized units made in this country, and certainly, in the states.
I found a truck tire manufacturer in the States that, believe it or not, was not even connected to the internet, let alone having a web site.
I got my antique truck tires of the weird size, at a fair price, and am quite happy with the quality.
In conclusion, we are not the only ones needing to make stuff.
Asking around works
Cheers Warren
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
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Warren,

Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from metal powders.  One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
http://www.arcam.com/

The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to blame it on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose out.  AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon forge at the time.  Now that the concept is perfected there is not much of the small lithography stuff around anymore.

I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it away if it can be located.

It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the expensive steps involved in forging a chip.  That's funny you were able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how things change!

On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Norm

Some number of years ago when working as director of research
for a research and development project for a medical company,
I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much like your vortex problems.
The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level.
Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system put on the car!
Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of government tax grants to encourage industry.
I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by the square meter.
When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw, if you can believe?
They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about average.
In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that much.
They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an organization.
Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done, and don't cost that much.
If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing what just one person can do.
Cheers Warren
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
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I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.

On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Norm,

You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.

What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have created a levity platform and if so how?

Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.


On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf

On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:

BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm

Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see

1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta

On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger

https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm

http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/

After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.

On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole

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Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!

Ah Ha, You are starting to grasp the principles that create the 
condition of the AG effect.  Stay tuned.  Norm

On 2/11/2019 9:46 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm, you did state clearly the effect with the bug drawing, just was 
> not sure the credence you put into the story, or if indeed you 
> considered it possible what G would have done with the bug parts.
>
> Ok then, if ionization is part and parcel of the mini tornados as 
> charge separation then it simply needs to be as Ole likes to say 
> cohered or polarized into one spin vector where all the mini tornados 
> line up.  The magnetic cooling metal looks like an interesting path in 
> order to cohere through a para magnetic means as magnetic mirror/lens 
> or possibly just Bismuth.    I recall Bearden telling me public 
> disclosure of monopoles throw the powers that be into a tizzy.
>
> "
>
>
>   Condensed Matter > Mesoscale and Nanoscale Physics
>
>
>   Direct comparison of current-induced spin polarization in
>   topological insulator Bi2Se3 and InAs Rashba states
>
> Connie H. Li 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+C+H>,Olaf 
> M. J. van t Erve 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=van+t+Erve%2C+O+M+J>,Shivani 
> Rajput 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Rajput%2C+S>,Lian 
> Li 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+L>,Berry 
> T. Jonker 
> <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Jonker%2C+B+T>
> (Submitted on 23 May 2016)
>
>     Three-dimensional topological insulators (TIs) exhibit
>     time-reversal symmetry protected, linearly dispersing Dirac
>     surface states. Band bending at the TI surface may also lead to
>     coexisting trivial two-dimensional electron gas (2DEG) states with
>     parabolic energy dispersion that exist as spin-split pairs due to
>     Rashba spin-orbit coupling (SOC). A bias current is expected to
>     generate spin polarization in both systems arising from their
>     helical spin-momentum locking. However, their induced spin
>     polarization is expected to be different in both magnitude and
>     sign. Here, we compare spin potentiometric measurements of bias
>     current-generated spin polarization in Bi2Se3(111) films where
>     Dirac surface states coexist with trivial 2DEG states, with
>     identical measurements on InAs(001) samples where only trivial
>     2DEG states are present. We observe spin polarization arising from
>     spin-momentum locking in both cases, with opposite signs of the
>     spin voltage. We present a model based on spin dependent
>     electrochemical potentials to directly derive the signs expected
>     for the TI surface states, and unambiguously show that the
>     dominant contribution to the current-generated spin polarization
>     measured in the TI is from the Dirac surface states. This direct
>     electrical access of the helical spin texture of Dirac and Rashba
>     2DEG states is an enabling step towards the electrical
>     manipulation of spins in next generation TI and SOC based quantum
>     devices."
>
>
> On 2/11/2019 4:39 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  
>> via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced 
>> flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory 
>> of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli 
>> and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could 
>> be  the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes 
>> back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All 
>> of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being 
>> ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or 
>> vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level. Yes, 
>> Stress Fields.
>>
>> On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the 
>>> Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is 
>>> the main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware 
>>> of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part 
>>> is a simile or metaphor.
>>>
>>> What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have 
>>> created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>
>>> Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant 
>>> recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress 
>>> force I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with 
>>> angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends 
>>> expands the center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Additional info.  See http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the 
>>>>> area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the 
>>>>> Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm 
>>>>> here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what 
>>>>> happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the 
>>>>> ionization that occurs. http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor 
>>>>> Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking 
>>>>> down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>>>
>>>>> 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical 
>>>>> experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son 
>>>>> Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, 
>>>>> Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, 
>>>>> forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, 
>>>>> models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after 
>>>>> his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's 
>>>>> Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed 
>>>>>> Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I 
>>>>>> got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp 
>>>>>> up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry 
>>>>>> area. The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would 
>>>>>> not drain properly. We filled the sink to maximum capacity and 
>>>>>> pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex 
>>>>>> formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the 
>>>>>> extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, 
>>>>>> about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. 
>>>>>> Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything 
>>>>>> regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation 
>>>>>> of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the 
>>>>>> dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of 
>>>>>> the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major 
>>>>>> contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  
>>>>>> Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on 
>>>>>> a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the 
>>>>>> high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the 
>>>>>> corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex 
>>>>>> core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the 
>>>>>> Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of 
>>>>>> the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>

Warren, Interesting that you brought up the subject of photo lithography 
for chips, since back in 1981, I was designing driver circuits for a new 
class of DC motors and got to be friends with the Engineers at Texas 
Instruments Dallas.  I got a complete tour of their facilities and was 
really impressed with the photo lithography lab.  They had a wall very 
long and high with the intricate details drafted of a single integrated 
circuit chip. Photo reduction of the super high resolution image put the 
whole wall of circuitry on a chip about 1/4" X 1/4" in size. The vacuum 
deposition of the various elements in the chip building process was 
fascinating.

Now if we could do the same thing with the bug wing geometry that 
creates the micro vortex pairs, then we could duplicate the supposed 
effect.  Would provide experimental proof of validity.  A good 3D 
printer would suffice.

On 2/11/2019 10:14 AM, Mick [email protected] [] wrote:
>
> Warren,
>
> Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best system 
> uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from metal powders.  
> One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
> http://www.arcam.com/
>
> The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to 
> replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize the 
> systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to blame it 
> on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to setup a new Fab 
> cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these are fully automated 
> chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology is changing so fast they 
> don't have time to use the old buildings just mothball the whole last 
> system building and all or lose out.  AMD has gone fabless and just 
> bids out the best silicon forge at the time.  Now that the concept is 
> perfected there is not much of the small lithography stuff around 
> anymore.
>
> I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it away 
> if it can be located.
>
> It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the Originator 
> of Fourth language (the most efficient high level language) designed a 
> system to build one offs and skip one of the expensive steps involved 
> in forging a chip.  That's funny you were able to play with substrate 
> that could be band saw cut, how things change!
>
> On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm
>>
>> Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>> for a research and development project for a medical company,
>> I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much like 
>> your vortex problems.
>> The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>> Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically at 
>> that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to be 
>> deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D printing, on 
>> a microscopic level.
>> Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork was 
>> quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system put on the 
>> car!
>> Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent 
>> contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of 
>> government tax grants to encourage industry.
>> I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny vortex 
>> nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by the square 
>> meter.
>> When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw them 
>> from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw, if you 
>> can believe?
>> They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>> They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about average.
>> In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
>> What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that much.
>> They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an 
>> organization.
>> Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done, and 
>> don't cost that much.
>> If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing what 
>> just one person can do.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>
>>     On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could
>>     occur  via the insect wing and shell theory. Vortex, counter
>>     vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would
>>     agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc.
>>     in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado
>>     induced vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG
>>     effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of
>>     some sort of ionization of objects. All of the anti-gravity
>>     examples have one common denominator, that being ionization
>>     induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex
>>     generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress
>>     Fields.
>>
>>     On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norm,
>>>
>>>     You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent
>>>     the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and
>>>     he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests
>>>     is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect
>>>     wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>
>>>     What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have
>>>     created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>
>>>     Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying,
>>>     cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the
>>>     stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of
>>>     energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression
>>>     on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer
>>>     for Warren.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Additional info.  See http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>
>>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in
>>>>>     the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was
>>>>>     the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>     http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use
>>>>>     Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in
>>>>>     the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization
>>>>>     that occurs. http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>     Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>     Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking
>>>>>     down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>>>
>>>>>     1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>     practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas
>>>>>     with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute.
>>>>>     (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an
>>>>>     agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion.
>>>>>     All documents, models and equipment are left behind in the
>>>>>     USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on
>>>>>     September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>     followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion
>>>>>>     Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995. I was
>>>>>>     in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community
>>>>>>     wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at
>>>>>>     the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the
>>>>>>     sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug. 
>>>>>>     Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look
>>>>>>     down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation
>>>>>>     velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for
>>>>>>     the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of
>>>>>>     water. Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean
>>>>>>     Ratios and the influence in formation of the famous Implosion
>>>>>>     vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop
>>>>>>     sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a
>>>>>>     perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor
>>>>>>     with the very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what
>>>>>>     popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft
>>>>>>     suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high
>>>>>>     rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the
>>>>>>     corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined
>>>>>>     vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW,
>>>>>>     the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect
>>>>>>     replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>     https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>
>

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Bart.

On 2/11/2019 2:39 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Guys check the math Dan has employed , I think he used similar ratios 
> for his super imploder.
>
> http://www.fractalfield.com/implodermagneticresearch/
> SUPERIMPLODER: Magnetic Water Treatment IS Proven Effective: More 
> Evidence - fractalfield.com 
> <http://www.fractalfield.com/implodermagneticresearch/>
> Einstein:the solution to infinite non-destructive (charge)compression 
> IS the unified field. ..So- if perfect compression is the solution to 
> virtually every science problem in history: gravity, alchemy, fusion, 
> urban design, computers.. the physics of human 
> (peak)perception/bliss.. the list goes on - THEN what does it mean 
> that we have just proven the (fractality perfected) wave mechanics ...
> www.fractalfield.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* February 11, 2019 2:35 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in The 
> Lab With Surprising Simplicity
>
> Warren,
>
> If one desired to replicate the whorl of a vortex in a sink draining 
> can you think of a way one could freeze the water of some other liquid 
> fast enough to be able to bandsaw through the ice to make an accurate 
> mold?
>
> Maybe a regular freeze job would work, easy to try up where you are 
> with one of those 5 or 10 gallon horse water buckets.
>
> It would be super cool to have an exact vortex dimension!
>
> I can only hope the mom and pops are left that can create amazing 
> things but every time I go to find one of these it's often a retired 
> machinist in his 70's or older.� We do as you say now have 3d printers 
> so this opens up all sort of new potentials.�� I just wish I could get 
> a small shop size Arcam for under a grand, then it would be party 
> time.� I can't find anything affordable that 3d prints metal at high 
> tolerance without polymer binders and kiln process in which finished 
> work which looks like wax on a sunny day.� So far the EDM powder 3d 
> process looks like the best one running.�� Not sure why no one has 
> miniaturized to lets say a 10 grand unit. Just the work off plastic 
> molds it could pay for itself the first job.
>
> You found someone who made custom size tires and vulcanized their own 
> rubber, that's quite the find!
>
> On 2/11/2019 9:34 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> There are little mom and pop shops still eecking out a living making 
>> old fashioned chips with lithography, I bet, since some low 
>> production industries still sell a limited number of specialized 
>> units made in this country, and certainly, in the states.
>> I found a truck tire manufacturer in the States that, believe it or 
>> not, was not even connected to the internet, let alone having a web site.
>> I got my antique truck tires of the weird size, at a fair price, and 
>> am quite happy with the quality.
>> In conclusion, we are not the only ones needing to make stuff.
>> Asking around works
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Warren,
>>
>>     Great idea!� As you say it's now called 3d printing.� The best
>>     system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from
>>     metal powders.� One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
>>     http://www.arcam.com/
>>
>>     The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to
>>     replicate. The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize
>>     the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to
>>     blame it on.� We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to
>>     setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.� Keep in mind these
>>     are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.� Technology
>>     is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings
>>     just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose
>>     out.� AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon
>>     forge at the time.� Now that the concept is perfected there is
>>     not much of the small lithography stuff around anymore.
>>
>>     I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it
>>     away if it can be located.
>>
>>     It always helps to know someone.� I think Chuck Moore the
>>     Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level
>>     language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the
>>     expensive steps involved in forging a chip. That's funny you were
>>     able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how
>>     things change!
>>
>>     On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor
>>     [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norm
>>>
>>>     Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>>>     for a research and development project for a medical company,
>>>     I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much
>>>     like your vortex problems.
>>>     The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>>>     Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated
>>>     photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled
>>>     down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another,
>>>     conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level.
>>>     Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork
>>>     was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system
>>>     put on the car!
>>>     Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent
>>>     contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of
>>>     government tax grants to encourage industry.
>>>     I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny
>>>     vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by
>>>     the square meter.
>>>     When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw
>>>     them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a
>>>     bandsaw, if you can believe?
>>>     They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>>>     They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about
>>>     average.
>>>     In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
>>>     What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost
>>>     that much.
>>>     They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an
>>>     organization.
>>>     Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done,
>>>     and don't cost that much.
>>>     If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing
>>>     what just one person can do.
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect
>>>         could occur� via the insect wing and shell theory. Vortex,
>>>         counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the
>>>         effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over
>>>         aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's
>>>         third Law.� The tornado induced vortex patterns could be�
>>>         the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen. It all
>>>         goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of
>>>         objects. All of the anti-gravity examples have one common
>>>         denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics,
>>>         Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation. All
>>>         occuring down at the atomic level. Yes, Stress Fields.
>>>
>>>         On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Norm,
>>>>
>>>>         You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>>         insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of
>>>>         substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West
>>>>         with such interests is aware of it. Personally I think the
>>>>         gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>>
>>>>         What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may
>>>>         have created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>>
>>>>         Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were
>>>>         studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90
>>>>         degrees to the stress force I think an important part is
>>>>         imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum. Back to
>>>>         my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.�
>>>>         We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Additional info.� See
>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was
>>>>>>         in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes
>>>>>>         mention was the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>>         http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm� here we use
>>>>>>         Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens
>>>>>>         in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>>>>         ionization that occurs.
>>>>>>         http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>>         Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>>         looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location
>>>>>>         home. see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>>         practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to
>>>>>>         Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a
>>>>>>         heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger
>>>>>>         was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any
>>>>>>         further research with Implosion. All documents, models
>>>>>>         and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after
>>>>>>         his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th
>>>>>>         ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>>         followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with
>>>>>>>         Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall
>>>>>>>         of 1995.� I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where
>>>>>>>         we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners
>>>>>>>         wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not
>>>>>>>         drain properly.� We filled the sink to maximum capacity
>>>>>>>         and pulled the drain plug. Immediately, a very powerful
>>>>>>>         vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch
>>>>>>>         drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It
>>>>>>>         would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water
>>>>>>>         to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.�
>>>>>>>         Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios
>>>>>>>         and the influence in formation of the famous Implosion
>>>>>>>         vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the
>>>>>>>         mop sink.� Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink
>>>>>>>         box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major
>>>>>>>         contributing factor with the very powerful vortex
>>>>>>>         formation. Instantly what popped into my mind was to
>>>>>>>         install an impeller on a shaft suspended in the vortex
>>>>>>>         core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.�
>>>>>>>         Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge
>>>>>>>         that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core
>>>>>>>         exit. Interesting phenomenon. TRUE STORY. BTW, the
>>>>>>>         Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect
>>>>>>>         replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>         https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>>
>

Thanks, Ole, I especially like Hoopers theory of AG.

On 2/12/2019 7:24 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> History of Electro-Gravity Research: 
> http://electrogravityphysics.com/gravity-papers/
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Ah Ha, You are starting to grasp the principles that create the 
> condition of the AG effect.  Stay tuned.  Norm
>
> On 2/11/2019 9:46 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] 
> wrote:
>
>>     Norm, you did state clearly the effect with the bug drawing, just
>>     was not sure the credence you put into the story, or if indeed
>>     you considered it possible what G would have done with the bug parts.
>>
>>     Ok then, if ionization is part and parcel of the mini tornados as
>>     charge separation then it simply needs to be as Ole likes to say
>>     cohered or polarized into one spin vector where all the mini
>>     tornados line up. The magnetic cooling metal looks like an
>>     interesting path in order to cohere through a para magnetic means
>>     as magnetic mirror/lens or possibly just Bismuth.    I recall
>>     Bearden telling me public disclosure of monopoles throw the
>>     powers that be into a tizzy.
>>
>>     "
>>
>>
>>       Condensed Matter > Mesoscale and Nanoscale Physics
>>
>>
>>       Direct comparison of current-induced spin polarization in
>>       topological insulator Bi2Se3 and InAs Rashba states
>>
>>     Connie H. Li
>>     <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+C+H>,Olaf
>>     M. J. van t Erve
>>     <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=van+t+Erve%2C+O+M+J>,Shivani
>>     Rajput
>>     <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Rajput%2C+S>,Lian
>>     Li
>>     <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+L>,Berry
>>     T. Jonker
>>     <https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Jonker%2C+B+T>
>>     (Submitted on 23 May 2016)
>>
>>         Three-dimensional topological insulators (TIs) exhibit
>>         time-reversal symmetry protected, linearly dispersing Dirac
>>         surface states. Band bending at the TI surface may also lead
>>         to coexisting trivial two-dimensional electron gas (2DEG)
>>         states with parabolic energy dispersion that exist as
>>         spin-split pairs due to Rashba spin-orbit coupling (SOC). A
>>         bias current is expected to generate spin polarization in
>>         both systems arising from their helical spin-momentum
>>         locking. However, their induced spin polarization is expected
>>         to be different in both magnitude and sign. Here, we compare
>>         spin potentiometric measurements of bias current-generated
>>         spin polarization in Bi2Se3(111) films where Dirac surface
>>         states coexist with trivial 2DEG states, with identical
>>         measurements on InAs(001) samples where only trivial 2DEG
>>         states are present. We observe spin polarization arising from
>>         spin-momentum locking in both cases, with opposite signs of
>>         the spin voltage. We present a model based on spin dependent
>>         electrochemical potentials to directly derive the signs
>>         expected for the TI surface states, and unambiguously show
>>         that the dominant contribution to the current-generated spin
>>         polarization measured in the TI is from the Dirac surface
>>         states. This direct electrical access of the helical spin
>>         texture of Dirac and Rashba 2DEG states is an enabling step
>>         towards the electrical manipulation of spins in next
>>         generation TI and SOC based quantum devices."
>>
>>
>>     On 2/11/2019 4:39 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could
>>>     occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter
>>>     vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would
>>>     agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc.
>>>     in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado
>>>     induced vortex patterns could be the causing factors for the AG
>>>     effect we have seen. It all goes back to the fundamentals of
>>>     some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity
>>>     examples have one common denominator, that being ionization
>>>     induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex
>>>     generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level. Yes, Stress
>>>     Fields.
>>>
>>>     On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norm,
>>>>
>>>>     You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>>     insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of
>>>>     substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West with
>>>>     such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a
>>>>     bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>>
>>>>     What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have
>>>>     created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>>
>>>>     Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying,
>>>>     cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the
>>>>     stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of
>>>>     energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression
>>>>     on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer
>>>>     for Warren.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Additional info.  See
>>>>>     http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in
>>>>>>     the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was
>>>>>>     the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>>     http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm here we use
>>>>>>     Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in
>>>>>>     the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization
>>>>>>     that occurs. http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>>     Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>>     looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>>     practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas
>>>>>>     with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute.
>>>>>>     (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign
>>>>>>     an agreement, forbidding him any further research with
>>>>>>     Implosion. All documents, models and equipment are left
>>>>>>     behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor
>>>>>>     Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children:
>>>>>>     Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>>     followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion
>>>>>>>     Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I
>>>>>>>     was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a
>>>>>>>     community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me
>>>>>>>     to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly. We
>>>>>>>     filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain
>>>>>>>     plug. Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you
>>>>>>>     could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex
>>>>>>>     rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten
>>>>>>>     minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30
>>>>>>>     gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the
>>>>>>>     Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the
>>>>>>>     famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the
>>>>>>>     dimensions of the mop sink. Yes, the length vs width ratio
>>>>>>>     of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major
>>>>>>>     contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.
>>>>>>>     Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an
>>>>>>>     impeller on a shaft suspended in the vortex core at the exit
>>>>>>>     to capture the high rotational energy. Both Victor and
>>>>>>>     Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a
>>>>>>>     very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting
>>>>>>>     phenomenon.  TRUE STORY. BTW, the Schauberger Implosion
>>>>>>>     Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole
>>>>>>>     Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>     https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>
>

History of Electro-Gravity Research: http://electrogravityphysics.com/gravity-papers/ http://electrogravityphysics.com/gravity-papers/

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ah Ha, You are starting to grasp the principles that create the condition of the AG effect.  Stay tuned.  Norm

 On 2/11/2019 9:46 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Norm, you did state clearly the effect with the bug drawing, just was not sure the credence you put into the story, or if indeed you considered it possible what G would have done with the bug parts.

 Ok then, if ionization is part and parcel of the mini tornados as charge separation then it simply needs to be as Ole likes to say cohered or polarized into one spin vector where all the mini tornados line up.  The magnetic cooling metal looks like an interesting path in order to cohere through a para magnetic means as magnetic mirror/lens or possibly just Bismuth.    I recall Bearden telling me public disclosure of monopoles throw the powers that be into a tizzy.

 "

 Condensed Matter > Mesoscale and Nanoscale Physics
 Direct comparison of current-induced spin polarization in topological insulator Bi2Se3 and InAs Rashba states Connie H. Li https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+C+H, Olaf M. J. van t Erve https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=van+t+Erve%2C+O+M+J, Shivani Rajput https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Rajput%2C+S, Lian Li https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Li%2C+L, Berry T. Jonker https://arxiv.org/search/cond-mat?searchtype=author&query=Jonker%2C+B+T
 (Submitted on 23 May 2016)
 Three-dimensional topological insulators (TIs) exhibit time-reversal symmetry protected, linearly dispersing Dirac surface states. Band bending at the TI surface may also lead to coexisting trivial two-dimensional electron gas (2DEG) states with parabolic energy dispersion that exist as spin-split pairs due to Rashba spin-orbit coupling (SOC). A bias current is expected to generate spin polarization in both systems arising from their helical spin-momentum locking. However, their induced spin polarization is expected to be different in both magnitude and sign. Here, we compare spin potentiometric measurements of bias current-generated spin polarization in Bi2Se3(111) films where Dirac surface states coexist with trivial 2DEG states, with identical measurements on InAs(001) samples where only trivial 2DEG states are present. We observe spin polarization arising from spin-momentum locking in both cases, with opposite signs of the spin voltage. We present a model based on spin dependent electrochemical potentials to directly derive the signs expected for the TI surface states, and unambiguously show that the dominant contribution to the current-generated spin polarization measured in the TI is from the Dirac surface states. This direct electrical access of the helical spin texture of Dirac and Rashba 2DEG states is an enabling step towards the electrical manipulation of spins in next generation TI and SOC based quantum devices." 

 On 2/11/2019 4:39 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex, counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law.  The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.

 On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Norm, 

 You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.

 What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may have created a levity platform and if so how?
 Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90 degrees to the stress force I think an important part is imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We try to first save the beer for Warren.

 

 On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Additional info.  See  http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf

 On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:

 BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes mention was the Farrow Device. See, http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the ionization that occurs.  http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm

 Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft, looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location home. see
 1958 An American consortium offers financial means for practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further research with Implosion. All documents, models and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
 On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
 https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
 https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
 http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/ http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
 After studying all of Victor's works and writings and followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.  Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing factor with the very powerful vortex formation.  Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.

 On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 

 Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!

Bart, Please let me give you a hint regarding Replication of Gold in the 
special cell. First you have to acquire REAL gold nuggets and roll then 
out into thin sheets of pure gold electrodes. A Cathode and an Anode.� 
Do not apply any heat.� Order some gold chloride solution for your 
electrolyte.� Only placer gold nuggets will work for gold in its native 
state has Oil of Gold which is totally lost in the firing, refining 
process.� Gold will not replicate without the tincture present, Oil Of 
Gold.��� Most people do not know about the Oil of Gold which causes the 
gold crystal to replicate within a quartz veins, naturally in the 
earth.� https://www.kymiaarts.com/oil-of-gold.html��� Oil of Gold has 
the Atomic Frequency need for replication.���� Norm

On 2/12/2019 12:55 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> I have been running my gold distilled system now for a week and half 
> approx, 30 gallons.
> Started @ 6.4 ph� and a ppm 0.
> now�� 7.3 ph stable.�� and a ppm of 2
> We need the vortex app implosion �� for the super bugs. So either way 
> not a waste of time.
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=quasiparticles
> Will be getting lab tests.
> I am making� gold,silver,copper,nickel and so on.
> Norman I remember a lot of these sites from years ago. very good 
> general info. I had at the time my mentor the
> electronic engineer whom doused every thing along the way. He claimed 
> 5.27 - .8 was better than just 528.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] 
> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* February 12, 2019 11:00 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in The 
> Lab With Surprising Simplicity
>
> Norman
>
> No reason why you can't.
> Lithography, and photography, are just chemical means of using light
> to provide the same result as you can get with an jnk jet printer, 
> except you alter the substrate, by removing that which is there, but 
> not struck by the light.
> We did the first double sided lap top boards in North America, in 
> Canada, apart from the IBM, as wall sized artwork, then 
> photographically reduced it, and got the boards printed, then populated.
> Silk screens are made the same way.
> Artist's etching as well, from the 15th century, in concept, resists, 
> and acids.
> Your vortex made larger might just as well be image captured with the 
> camera on a circular track, going around the active vortex, clear of 
> the apparatus.
> You can not put a vortex on a turntable as it will interfere with the 
> shape
> Once you have these captured images, a 3D printed form can be 
> accurately modeled.
> Mind you, someone skilled in the art can quickly, and likely, match 
> the shape, by sculpting it in, clay or plasticine, so that it works fine.
> Don't get caught up on technique.
> Odd as it seems, it is not that difficult, whether making velocity 
> stacks for carburetors, or nozzles for rockets once that shape is 
> correct in your mind.
> What I am saying is that an artist can see a shape, and duplicate it 
> well enough that it works.
> Make it in Bondo, available at any automotive store. Male/female, it 
> doesn't really matter. If you have one, you have the other. One 
> becomes the mold for the other using a parting agent such as Arctic 
> Dubbin boot grease, with silicone. Bondo is cheap, and cheery and will 
> annoy the neighbors, with a bit of polyester stink, but works great 
> for mold making. Sets in 5 minutes if you use a lot of catalyst.
> You can use the plasticine as a mold for Bondo, or Bondo, as a mold 
> for Bondo, or press plasticine into a Bondo mold to make changes to 
> your shape.
> The thing is, let yourself be creative, and don't get hung up on rigid 
> perfection, nature is not so anal retentive, neither are bugs.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 8:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren, Interesting that you brought up the subject of photo
>     lithography for chips, since back in 1981, I was designing driver
>     circuits for a new class of DC motors and got to be friends with
>     the Engineers at Texas Instruments Dallas.� I got a complete tour
>     of their facilities and was really impressed with the photo
>     lithography lab.� They had a wall very long and high with the
>     intricate details drafted of a single integrated circuit chip.
>     Photo reduction of the super high resolution image put the whole
>     wall of circuitry on a chip about 1/4" X 1/4" in size. The vacuum
>     deposition of the various elements in the chip building process
>     was fascinating.
>
>     Now if we could do the same thing with the bug wing geometry that
>     creates the micro vortex pairs, then we could duplicate the
>     supposed effect.� Would provide experimental proof of validity.� A
>     good 3D printer would suffice.
>
>     On 2/11/2019 10:14 AM, Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [] wrote:
>>
>>     Warren,
>>
>>     Great idea!� As you say it's now called 3d printing.� The best
>>     system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from
>>     metal powders.� One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
>>     http://www.arcam.com/
>>
>>     The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to
>>     replicate. The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize
>>     the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to
>>     blame it on.� We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to
>>     setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.� Keep in mind these
>>     are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.� Technology
>>     is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings
>>     just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose
>>     out.� AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon
>>     forge at the time.� Now that the concept is perfected there is
>>     not much of the small lithography stuff around anymore.
>>
>>     I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it
>>     away if it can be located.
>>
>>     It always helps to know someone.� I think Chuck Moore the
>>     Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level
>>     language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the
>>     expensive steps involved in forging a chip.� That's funny you
>>     were able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how
>>     things change!
>>
>>     On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor
>>     [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norm
>>>
>>>     Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>>>     for a research and development project for a medical company,
>>>     I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much
>>>     like your vortex problems.
>>>     The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>>>     Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated
>>>     photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled
>>>     down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another,
>>>     conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level.
>>>     Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork
>>>     was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system
>>>     put on the car!
>>>     Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent
>>>     contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of
>>>     government tax grants to encourage industry.
>>>     I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny
>>>     vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by
>>>     the square meter.
>>>     When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw
>>>     them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a
>>>     bandsaw, if you can believe?
>>>     They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>>>     They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about
>>>     average.
>>>     In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
>>>     What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost
>>>     that much.
>>>     They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an
>>>     organization.
>>>     Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done,
>>>     and don't cost that much.
>>>     If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing
>>>     what just one person can do.
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect
>>>         could occur� via the insect wing and shell theory. Vortex,
>>>         counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the
>>>         effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated over
>>>         aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's
>>>         third Law.� The tornado induced vortex patterns could be�
>>>         the causing factors for the AG effect we have seen. It all
>>>         goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of
>>>         objects. All of the anti-gravity examples have one common
>>>         denominator, that being ionization induced via Acustics,
>>>         Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex generation. All
>>>         occuring down at the atomic level. Yes, Stress Fields.
>>>
>>>         On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Norm,
>>>>
>>>>         You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>>         insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of
>>>>         substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West
>>>>         with such interests is aware of it. Personally I think the
>>>>         gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>>
>>>>         What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may
>>>>         have created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>>
>>>>         Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were
>>>>         studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90
>>>>         degrees to the stress force I think an important part is
>>>>         imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum. Back to
>>>>         my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.�
>>>>         We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Additional info.� See
>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was
>>>>>>         in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes
>>>>>>         mention was the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>>         http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm� here we use
>>>>>>         Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens
>>>>>>         in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>>>>         ionization that occurs.
>>>>>>         http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>>         Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>>         looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location
>>>>>>         home. see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>>         practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to
>>>>>>         Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a
>>>>>>         heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger
>>>>>>         was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any
>>>>>>         further research with Implosion. All documents, models
>>>>>>         and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after
>>>>>>         his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th
>>>>>>         ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>>         followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with
>>>>>>>         Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall
>>>>>>>         of 1995.� I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where
>>>>>>>         we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners
>>>>>>>         wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not
>>>>>>>         drain properly.� We filled the sink to maximum capacity
>>>>>>>         and pulled the drain plug. Immediately, a very powerful
>>>>>>>         vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch
>>>>>>>         drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It
>>>>>>>         would take, on average, about ten minutes for the water
>>>>>>>         to drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water.�
>>>>>>>         Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios
>>>>>>>         and the influence in formation of the famous Implosion
>>>>>>>         vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the
>>>>>>>         mop sink.� Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink
>>>>>>>         box was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major
>>>>>>>         contributing factor with the very powerful vortex
>>>>>>>         formation. Instantly what popped into my mind was to
>>>>>>>         install an impeller on a shaft suspended in the vortex
>>>>>>>         core at the exit to capture the high rotational energy.�
>>>>>>>         Both Victor and Walter wrote about the corona charge
>>>>>>>         that was produced by a very tightly defined vortex core
>>>>>>>         exit. Interesting phenomenon. TRUE STORY. BTW, the
>>>>>>>         Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect
>>>>>>>         replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>         https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>>
>

https://www.spagyricus.com/articles/oil-of-gold-and-three-kings-elixirs-of-life-history-and-uses

On 2/12/2019 2:10 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Bart, Please let me give you a hint regarding Replication of Gold in 
> the special cell. First you have to acquire REAL gold nuggets and roll 
> then out into thin sheets of pure gold electrodes. A Cathode and an 
> Anode.� Do not apply any heat. Order some gold chloride solution for 
> your electrolyte.� Only placer gold nuggets will work for gold in its 
> native state has Oil of Gold which is totally lost in the firing, 
> refining process.� Gold will not replicate without the tincture 
> present, Oil Of Gold.��� Most people do not know about the Oil of Gold 
> which causes the gold crystal to replicate within a quartz veins, 
> naturally in the earth. https://www.kymiaarts.com/oil-of-gold.html Oil 
> of Gold has the Atomic Frequency need for replication. Norm
>
> On 2/12/2019 12:55 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> I have been running my gold distilled system now for a week and half 
>> approx, 30 gallons.
>> Started @ 6.4 ph� and a ppm 0.
>> now�� 7.3 ph stable.�� and a ppm of 2
>> We need the vortex app implosion �� for the super bugs. So either way 
>> not a waste of time.
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=quasiparticles
>> Will be getting lab tests.
>> I am making� gold,silver,copper,nickel and so on.
>> Norman I remember a lot of these sites from years ago. very good 
>> general info. I had at the time my mentor the
>> electronic engineer whom doused every thing along the way. He claimed 
>> 5.27 - .8 was better than just 528.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
>> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* February 12, 2019 11:00 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in 
>> The Lab With Surprising Simplicity
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> No reason why you can't.
>> Lithography, and photography, are just chemical means of using light
>> to provide the same result as you can get with an jnk jet printer, 
>> except you alter the substrate, by removing that which is there, but 
>> not struck by the light.
>> We did the first double sided lap top boards in North America, in 
>> Canada, apart from the IBM, as wall sized artwork, then 
>> photographically reduced it, and got the boards printed, then populated.
>> Silk screens are made the same way.
>> Artist's etching as well, from the 15th century, in concept, resists, 
>> and acids.
>> Your vortex made larger might just as well be image captured with the 
>> camera on a circular track, going around the active vortex, clear of 
>> the apparatus.
>> You can not put a vortex on a turntable as it will interfere with the 
>> shape
>> Once you have these captured images, a 3D printed form can be 
>> accurately modeled.
>> Mind you, someone skilled in the art can quickly, and likely, match 
>> the shape, by sculpting it in, clay or plasticine, so that it works fine.
>> Don't get caught up on technique.
>> Odd as it seems, it is not that difficult, whether making velocity 
>> stacks for carburetors, or nozzles for rockets once that shape is 
>> correct in your mind.
>> What I am saying is that an artist can see a shape, and duplicate it 
>> well enough that it works.
>> Make it in Bondo, available at any automotive store. Male/female, it 
>> doesn't really matter. If you have one, you have the other. One 
>> becomes the mold for the other using a parting agent such as Arctic 
>> Dubbin boot grease, with silicone. Bondo is cheap, and cheery and 
>> will annoy the neighbors, with a bit of polyester stink, but works 
>> great for mold making. Sets in 5 minutes if you use a lot of catalyst.
>> You can use the plasticine as a mold for Bondo, or Bondo, as a mold 
>> for Bondo, or press plasticine into a Bondo mold to make changes to 
>> your shape.
>> The thing is, let yourself be creative, and don't get hung up on 
>> rigid perfection, nature is not so anal retentive, neither are bugs.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 8:22 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Warren, Interesting that you brought up the subject of photo
>>     lithography for chips, since back in 1981, I was designing driver
>>     circuits for a new class of DC motors and got to be friends with
>>     the Engineers at Texas Instruments Dallas.� I got a complete tour
>>     of their facilities and was really impressed with the photo
>>     lithography lab.� They had a wall very long and high with the
>>     intricate details drafted of a single integrated circuit chip.
>>     Photo reduction of the super high resolution image put the whole
>>     wall of circuitry on a chip about 1/4" X 1/4" in size. The vacuum
>>     deposition of the various elements in the chip building process
>>     was fascinating.
>>
>>     Now if we could do the same thing with the bug wing geometry that
>>     creates the micro vortex pairs, then we could duplicate the
>>     supposed effect.� Would provide experimental proof of validity.�
>>     A good 3D printer would suffice.
>>
>>     On 2/11/2019 10:14 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Warren,
>>>
>>>     Great idea!� As you say it's now called 3d printing.� The best
>>>     system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from
>>>     metal powders.� One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
>>>     http://www.arcam.com/
>>>
>>>     The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult
>>>     to replicate.� The setups now are so expensive they have to
>>>     amortize the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing
>>>     suits to blame it on.� We are down around 10nm fab now and for
>>>     Intel to setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.� Keep in
>>>     mind these are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.
>>>     Technology is changing so fast they don't have time to use the
>>>     old buildings just mothball the whole last system building and
>>>     all or lose out.� AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the
>>>     best silicon forge at the time.� Now that the concept is
>>>     perfected there is not much of the small lithography stuff
>>>     around anymore.
>>>
>>>     I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling
>>>     it away if it can be located.
>>>
>>>     It always helps to know someone.� I think Chuck Moore the
>>>     Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level
>>>     language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of
>>>     the expensive steps involved in forging a chip. That's funny you
>>>     were able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how
>>>     things change!
>>>
>>>     On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norm
>>>>
>>>>     Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>>>>     for a research and development project for a medical company,
>>>>     I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much
>>>>     like your vortex problems.
>>>>     The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>>>>     Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated
>>>>     photographically at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled
>>>>     down, were able to be deposited, one, on top of another,
>>>>     conceptually like 3 D printing, on a microscopic level.
>>>>     Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork
>>>>     was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system
>>>>     put on the car!
>>>>     Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent
>>>>     contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of
>>>>     government tax grants to encourage industry.
>>>>     I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny
>>>>     vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by
>>>>     the square meter.
>>>>     When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw
>>>>     them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a
>>>>     bandsaw, if you can believe?
>>>>     They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>>>>     They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is
>>>>     about average.
>>>>     In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces
>>>>     perhaps?
>>>>     What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost
>>>>     that much.
>>>>     They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an
>>>>     organization.
>>>>     Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things
>>>>     done, and don't cost that much.
>>>>     If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is
>>>>     amazing what just one person can do.
>>>>     Cheers Warren
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>>>>
>>>>         On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect
>>>>         could occur� via the insect wing and shell theory. Vortex,
>>>>         counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the
>>>>         effect. It would agree with my theory of lift generated
>>>>         over aircraft wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and
>>>>         Newton's third Law.� The tornado induced vortex patterns
>>>>         could be� the causing factors for the AG effect we have
>>>>         seen. It all goes back to the fundamentals of some sort of
>>>>         ionization of objects. All of the anti-gravity examples
>>>>         have one common denominator, that being ionization induced
>>>>         via Acustics, Hertzian wave, Vibratory Physics or vortex
>>>>         generation. All occuring down at the atomic level. Yes,
>>>>         Stress Fields.
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Norm,
>>>>>
>>>>>         You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>>>         insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full
>>>>>         of substance and he is the main reason everybody in the
>>>>>         West with such interests is aware of it. Personally I
>>>>>         think the gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile
>>>>>         or metaphor.
>>>>>
>>>>>         What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may
>>>>>         have created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were
>>>>>         studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90
>>>>>         degrees to the stress force I think an important part is
>>>>>         imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum. Back to
>>>>>         my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.�
>>>>>         We try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Additional info.� See
>>>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was
>>>>>>>         in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes
>>>>>>>         mention was the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>>>         http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm� here we use
>>>>>>>         Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what
>>>>>>>         happens in the Schauberger repulsine device because of
>>>>>>>         the ionization that occurs.
>>>>>>>         http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>>>         Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>>>         looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location
>>>>>>>         home. see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>>>         practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to
>>>>>>>         Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a
>>>>>>>         heavy dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger
>>>>>>>         was forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any
>>>>>>>         further research with Implosion. All documents, models
>>>>>>>         and equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days
>>>>>>>         after his return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September
>>>>>>>         25th ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>>>         followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with
>>>>>>>>         Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall
>>>>>>>>         of 1995.� I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada,
>>>>>>>>         where we had a community wash room, laundry area. The
>>>>>>>>         owners wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would
>>>>>>>>         not drain properly.� We filled the sink to maximum
>>>>>>>>         capacity and pulled the drain plug. Immediately, a very
>>>>>>>>         powerful vortex formed and you could look down the 1
>>>>>>>>         1/2 inch drain with the extreme vortex rotation
>>>>>>>>         velocity. It would take, on average, about ten minutes
>>>>>>>>         for the water to drain completely. Approximately 30
>>>>>>>>         gallons of water.� Having read everything regarding the
>>>>>>>>         Golden Mean Ratios and the influence in formation of
>>>>>>>>         the famous Implosion vortex, I carefully measured all
>>>>>>>>         the dimensions of the mop sink.� Yes, the length vs
>>>>>>>>         width ratio of the sink box was a perfect 1.618 ratio
>>>>>>>>         which was a major contributing factor with the very
>>>>>>>>         powerful vortex formation. Instantly what popped into
>>>>>>>>         my mind was to install an impeller on a shaft suspended
>>>>>>>>         in the vortex core at the exit to capture the high
>>>>>>>>         rotational energy.� Both Victor and Walter wrote about
>>>>>>>>         the corona charge that was produced by a very tightly
>>>>>>>>         defined vortex core exit. Interesting phenomenon. TRUE
>>>>>>>>         STORY. BTW, the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology
>>>>>>>>         is a perfect replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>>>
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