Re: [EVGRAY] Physicists Are Recreating 'Black Holes' in The Lab With Surprising Simplicity

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Warren,

If one desired to replicate the whorl of a vortex in a sink draining can
you think of a way one could freeze the water of some other liquid fast
enough to be able to bandsaw through the ice to make an accurate mold?

Maybe a regular freeze job would work, easy to try up where you are with
one of those 5 or 10 gallon horse water buckets.

It would be super cool to have an exact vortex dimension!

I can only hope the mom and pops are left that can create amazing things
but every time I go to find one of these it's often a retired machinist
in his 70's or older.  We do as you say now have 3d printers so this
opens up all sort of new potentials.   I just wish I could get a small
shop size Arcam for under a grand, then it would be party time.  I can't
find anything affordable that 3d prints metal at high tolerance without
polymer binders and kiln process in which finished work which looks like
wax on a sunny day.  So far the EDM powder 3d process looks like the
best one running.   Not sure why no one has miniaturized to lets say a
10 grand unit.  Just the work off plastic molds it could pay for itself
the first job.

You found someone who made custom size tires and vulcanized their own
rubber, that's quite the find!

On 2/11/2019 9:34 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
>
> There are little mom and pop shops still eecking out a living making
> old fashioned chips with lithography, I bet, since some low production
> industries still sell a limited number of specialized units made in
> this country, and certainly, in the states.
> I found a truck tire manufacturer in the States that, believe it or
> not, was not even connected to the internet, let alone having a web site.
> I got my antique truck tires of the weird size, at a fair price, and
> am quite happy with the quality.
> In conclusion, we are not the only ones needing to make stuff.
> Asking around works
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 11:15 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Warren,
>
>     Great idea!  As you say it's now called 3d printing.  The best
>     system uses the equivalent of a plasma torch to assemble from
>     metal powders.  One can specify stainless or titanium or whatever.
>     http://www.arcam.com/
>
>     The good old days of photo lithography for chips are difficult to
>     replicate.  The setups now are so expensive they have to amortize
>     the systems bigtime, so it's not just the golf playing suits to
>     blame it on.  We are down around 10nm fab now and for Intel to
>     setup a new Fab cost about a billion dollars.  Keep in mind these
>     are fully automated chip assembly lines not one offs.  Technology
>     is changing so fast they don't have time to use the old buildings
>     just mothball the whole last system building and all or lose out. 
>     AMD has gone fabless and just bids out the best silicon forge at
>     the time.  Now that the concept is perfected there is not much of
>     the small lithography stuff around anymore. 
>
>     I am sure the old machinery can be had for the cost of hauling it
>     away if it can be located.
>
>     It always helps to know someone.  I think Chuck Moore the
>     Originator of Fourth language (the most efficient high level
>     language) designed a system to build one offs and skip one of the
>     expensive steps involved in forging a chip.  That's funny you were
>     able to play with substrate that could be band saw cut, how things
>     change!
>
>     On 2/11/2019 6:44 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Norm
>>
>>     Some number of years ago when working as director of research
>>     for a research and development project for a medical company,
>>     I had to come up with a way to make extremely tiny shapes, much
>>     like your vortex problems.
>>     The technology at the time for making logic chips, could be used.
>>     Layers of various deposits, the shapes generated photographically
>>     at that time, from artwork, of course, scaled down, were able to
>>     be deposited, one, on top of another, conceptually like 3 D
>>     printing, on a microscopic level.
>>     Oddly enough, to get something made from your supplied artwork
>>     was quite reasonable, compared to getting a new exhaust system
>>     put on the car!
>>     Back then, in the eighties, there were lots of independent
>>     contractors with chip making capability, taking advantage of
>>     government tax grants to encourage industry.
>>     I'm out of touch now, but I know that you could sure make tiny
>>     vortex nozzles that way, providing you have a usable design, by
>>     the square meter.
>>     When I got the chips made for the deadmau5 heads, we had to saw
>>     them from big boards, that they were printed on, using a bandsaw,
>>     if you can believe?
>>     They were then cleaned up on a disc sanding machine.
>>     They tested out with a 15% rejection rate, after, which is about
>>     average.
>>     In your case, you can leave them in boards to fill surfaces perhaps?
>>     What I am getting at, is that prototypes do not need to cost that
>>     much.
>>     They are the golf playing suits that suck up the funds in an
>>     organization.
>>     Guys willing to put skin and bones on the line, get things done,
>>     and don't cost that much.
>>     If you are friends with your right and left hands, it is amazing
>>     what just one person can do.
>>     Cheers Warren
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>>         On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         I have clearly stated my opinion as to how any AG effect
>>         could occur  via the insect wing and shell theory.  Vortex,
>>         counter vortex induced flow could possibly create the effect.
>>         It would agree with my theory of lift generated over aircraft
>>         wings etc. in addition to Bernoulli and Newton's third Law. 
>>         The tornado induced vortex patterns could be  the causing
>>         factors for the AG effect we have seen.  It all goes back to
>>         the fundamentals of some sort of ionization of objects.   All
>>         of the anti-gravity examples have one common denominator,
>>         that being ionization induced via Acustics, Hertzian wave,
>>         Vibratory Physics or vortex generation.  All occuring down at
>>         the atomic level.  Yes, Stress Fields.
>>
>>         On 2/10/2019 2:24 PM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Norm,
>>>
>>>         You were friends with Jerry and I know how he was very
>>>         insistent the Grebenikov story was real or at least full of
>>>         substance and he is the main reason everybody in the West
>>>         with such interests is aware of it.  Personally I think the
>>>         gluing a bunch of insect wings part is a simile or metaphor.
>>>
>>>         What is your opinion of the story and do you believe G may
>>>         have created a levity platform and if so how?
>>>
>>>         Being that stress fields (the ones the Russians were
>>>         studying, cant recall the name now) create vectors at 90
>>>         degrees to the stress force I think an important part is
>>>         imbuing this type of energy with angular momentum.  Back to
>>>         my beer can, compression on the ends expands the center.  We
>>>         try to first save the beer for Warren.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 2/10/2019 6:00 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Additional info.  See 
>>>>         http://www.rexresearch.com/pdf/levitylost.pdf
>>>>
>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         BTW, the most interesting work of Victor Schauberger was
>>>>>         in the area of anti-gravity. One device that escapes
>>>>>         mention was the Farrow Device. See,
>>>>>         http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/farrow.htm  here we use
>>>>>         Hertzian waves, EM force which in reality is what happens
>>>>>         in the Schauberger repulsine device because of the
>>>>>         ionization that occurs. 
>>>>>         http://rexresearch.com/farrow/farrow.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>         Back in 1996, a friend showed me a photograph of Victor
>>>>>         Schauberger and Son, Walter riding in a C-54 aircraft,
>>>>>         looking down on Sherman, TX, the proposed re-location
>>>>>         home. see
>>>>>
>>>>>         1958 An American consortium offers financial means for
>>>>>         practical experiments with "Implosion Energy". Visit to
>>>>>         Texas with his son Walter. Return to Austria after a heavy
>>>>>         dispute. (Schauberger, Viktor) Viktor Schauberger was
>>>>>         forced to sign an agreement, forbidding him any further
>>>>>         research with Implosion. All documents, models and
>>>>>         equipment are left behind in the USA. Five days after his
>>>>>         return, Viktor Schauberger dies on September 25th
>>>>>         ...Viktor's Children: Walter, Margarete, Huberta
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 7:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://peswiki.com/powerpedia:viktor-schauberger
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://sanet.st/blogs/games-musics/sacred_living_geometry_the_theories_of_viktor_schauberger.2401786.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_implosion.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         http://changingpower.net/w-baumgartner-will-be-missed/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         After studying all of Victor's works and writings and
>>>>>>         followed Walter Baumgartner's follow up works with
>>>>>>         Implosion Technology, I got a real surprise in the fall
>>>>>>         of 1995.  I was in a mining camp up in BC, Canada, where
>>>>>>         we had a community wash room, laundry area. The owners
>>>>>>         wife asked me to look at the mop sink that would not
>>>>>>         drain properly.  We filled the sink to maximum capacity
>>>>>>         and pulled the drain plug.  Immediately, a very powerful
>>>>>>         vortex formed and you could look down the 1 1/2 inch
>>>>>>         drain with the extreme vortex rotation velocity. It would
>>>>>>         take, on average, about ten minutes for the water to
>>>>>>         drain completely. Approximately 30 gallons of water. 
>>>>>>         Having read everything regarding the Golden Mean Ratios
>>>>>>         and the influence in  formation of the famous Implosion
>>>>>>         vortex, I carefully measured all the dimensions of the
>>>>>>         mop sink.  Yes, the length vs width ratio of the sink box
>>>>>>         was a perfect 1.618 ratio which was a major contributing
>>>>>>         factor with the very powerful vortex formation. 
>>>>>>         Instantly what popped into my mind was to install an
>>>>>>         impeller on a shaft  suspended in the vortex core at the
>>>>>>         exit to capture the high rotational energy.  Both Victor
>>>>>>         and Walter wrote about the corona charge that was
>>>>>>         produced by a very tightly defined vortex core exit.
>>>>>>         Interesting phenomenon.  TRUE STORY.   BTW, the
>>>>>>         Schauberger Implosion Vortex Technology is a perfect
>>>>>>         replicas of the Black Hole Space Phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 2/10/2019 5:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>         https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-study-a-black-hole-s-hum-in-water-swirling-down-a-plug-hole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Victor Schauberger "Implosion Vortex"!
>>
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