Indonesian looping motor generator theory

Hi all
 OK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
 

 The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
 

 (but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
 

 The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size....
 

 My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
 

 The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
 

 in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
 

 All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
 

 So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
 

 here is link again to video:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

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    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size....
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
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MarkLet me get this right.He has supported the generator end of the shaft using the bearing of the car alternator. Is the car alternator now being used as a motor somehow? Can you do that? I think it is a 220 volt 50 cycle generator
Automotive alternators as motors?How efficient can they be?Notice the big ass capacitor.The generator's missing bearing explains the weld job and mounting of the alternator, pretty smart hack, when you don't have much to work with, I'd say.As you know the gas engine is used to supply the engine side bearing of those generators like that to support the armature.I have had to machine tapered stub shafts to fit a pulley drive. I am not sure what he has done in this case, but I think it is realCheers Warren



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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:09 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size....
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
  

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https://www.harborfreight.com/900-max-starting700-running-watts-2-hp-63cc-2-cycle-gas-generator-epacarb-63025.html

Anything is possible if ya can think of it...eH?

Then on other hand if it fails ya gotta cute 'lil gen. set for travel purposes.
I still stand by the Universal motor as the "mover" - 220v...sure it's the country he's in. I've never seen or could "Google" a pic of an Indonesian alternator ( usually being round )? 

I don't see why / if he removed the bearing, that would be hell trying to mount and align the "Two" ?
: ]

      From: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
   
    MarkLet me get this right.He has supported the generator end of the shaft using the bearing of the car alternator. Is the car alternator now being used as a motor somehow? Can you do that? I think it is a 220 volt 50 cycle generator
Automotive alternators as motors?How efficient can they be?Notice the big ass capacitor.The generator's missing bearing explains the weld job and mounting of the alternator, pretty smart hack, when you don't have much to work with, I'd say.As you know the gas engine is used to supply the engine side bearing of those generators like that to support the armature.I have had to machine tapered stub shafts to fit a pulley drive. I am not sure what he has done in this case, but I think it is realCheers Warren



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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:09 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size....
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
  

       
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Product category: washing machine with Variable Frequency Motor
Product name:     Three-Phase Variable Frequency Motor
Application:      mainly used for Front Load washing machine 
Technical Parameters;
| Model | Operative Mode  | Voltage  | Frequency  | Rated Power  | Rated Speed  | Insulation Class |
| YSP  Series | Wash | AC30--60V  | 30—60Hz    | 50—80W  | 500—900rpm  | F |
| Spin | AC160-200V  | 600—900Hz  | 350—600W  | 7000—18000rpm  | F


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See attached pic,  look familiar ?
      From: "Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
   
    https://www.harborfreight.com/900-max-starting700-running-watts-2-hp-63cc-2-cycle-gas-generator-epacarb-63025.html

Anything is possible if ya can think of it...eH?

Then on other hand if it fails ya gotta cute 'lil gen. set for travel purposes.
I still stand by the Universal motor as the "mover" - 220v...sure it's the country he's in. I've never seen or could "Google" a pic of an Indonesian alternator ( usually being round )? 

I don't see why / if he removed the bearing, that would be hell trying to mount and align the "Two" ?
: ]

      From: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    MarkLet me get this right.He has supported the generator end of the shaft using the bearing of the car alternator. Is the car alternator now being used as a motor somehow? Can you do that? I think it is a 220 volt 50 cycle generator
Automotive alternators as motors?How efficient can they be?Notice the big ass capacitor.The generator's missing bearing explains the weld job and mounting of the alternator, pretty smart hack, when you don't have much to work with, I'd say.As you know the gas engine is used to supply the engine side bearing of those generators like that to support the armature.I have had to machine tapered stub shafts to fit a pulley drive. I am not sure what he has done in this case, but I think it is realCheers Warren



Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:09 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size....
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
  

       
  

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      From: "Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
   
    Product category: washing machine with Variable Frequency Motor
Product name:     Three-Phase Variable Frequency Motor
Application:      mainly used for Front Load washing machine 
Technical Parameters;
| Model | Operative Mode  | Voltage  | Frequency  | Rated Power  | Rated Speed  | Insulation Class |
| YSP  Series | Wash | AC30--60V  | 30—60Hz    | 50—80W  | 500—900rpm  | F |
| Spin | AC160-200V  | 600—900Hz  | 350—600W  | 7000—18000rpm  | F


 |

See attached pic,  look familiar ?
      From: "Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    https://www.harborfreight.com/900-max-starting700-running-watts-2-hp-63cc-2-cycle-gas-generator-epacarb-63025.html

Anything is possible if ya can think of it...eH?

Then on other hand if it fails ya gotta cute 'lil gen. set for travel purposes.
I still stand by the Universal motor as the "mover" - 220v...sure it's the country he's in. I've never seen or could "Google" a pic of an Indonesian alternator ( usually being round )? 

I don't see why / if he removed the bearing, that would be hell trying to mount and align the "Two" ?
: ]

      From: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    MarkLet me get this right.He has supported the generator end of the shaft using the bearing of the car alternator. Is the car alternator now being used as a motor somehow? Can you do that? I think it is a 220 volt 50 cycle generator
Automotive alternators as motors?How efficient can they be?Notice the big ass capacitor.The generator's missing bearing explains the weld job and mounting of the alternator, pretty smart hack, when you don't have much to work with, I'd say.As you know the gas engine is used to supply the engine side bearing of those generators like that to support the armature.I have had to machine tapered stub shafts to fit a pulley drive. I am not sure what he has done in this case, but I think it is realCheers Warren



Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:09 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
  
    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size.....
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it...maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
  

       
  

     

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    https://www.harborfreight.com/900-max-starting700-running-watts-2-hp-63cc-2-cycle-gas-generator-epacarb-63025.html

Anything is possible if ya can think of it...eH?

Then on other hand if it fails ya gotta cute 'lil gen. set for travel purposes.
I still stand by the Universal motor as the "mover" - 220v...sure it's the country he's in.. I've never seen or could "Google" a pic of an Indonesian alternator ( usually being round )? 

I don't see why / if he removed the bearing, that would be hell trying to mount and align the "Two" ?
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    MarkLet me get this right.He has supported the generator end of the shaft using the bearing of the car alternator. Is the car alternator now being used as a motor somehow? Can you do that? I think it is a 220 volt 50 cycle generator
Automotive alternators as motors?How efficient can they be?Notice the big ass capacitor.The generator's missing bearing explains the weld job and mounting of the alternator, pretty smart hack, when you don't have much to work with, I'd say.As you know the gas engine is used to supply the engine side bearing of those generators like that to support the armature.I have had to machine tapered stub shafts to fit a pulley drive. I am not sure what he has done in this case, but I think it is realCheers Warren



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  On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mark [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54bhEEHad2g&feature=em-uploademail

Exactly what I had in mind...  :  ]

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    Hi allOK here is my newest theory on the video linked below all this....
The thing that looks like a car alternator on the left is a car alternator.
(but who knows maybe this is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor and I am all backwards in this theory but I will continue with theory)
The thing that looks like a genset with with gas motor removed on the right is a genset with the gas motor removed....it is about 750W size......
My theory is the car alternator has its voltage regulator removed, so it makes fairly high voltage when spun fairly fast, but it still has the diodes in it to make DC from the 3ph AC those car alternators will create without diodes.
The genset, he has working as motor and the way he gets it to work as motor is to drive it with the DC the alternator produces, and this DC is chopped in alternating fashion to become single phase  AC (only two white wires to/from the genset thing)  via a small internal H circuit or in some other way  like a couple of hall effects arranged at 90 degrees and timing disc with two magnets at 180 degrees inside the genset (a "rotating invertor" like drawing and video I posted yesterday)....
in an earlier video he did,  this guy shows a small simple invertor he built using some transistors and perhaps this H circuit fits inside the genset and is hidden on purpose to hide how he does it....maybe he has a full invertor hidden in there, plus some small batteries and it is all fake! I hope not!!
All the DC-alternating now AC produced from the car alternator runs the genset working as motor and there is enough power that you can pull out some and it will still run the motor/prime mover which is the genset...
So that is latest theory this is all in the category of "I don't know" of course, but that sure looks like car alternator to me however that fan is really big on it maybe from truck........
here is link again to video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9Ei7v-ZY0&feature=youtu.be...
  

       
  

     

     

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Hi Mark
 I thought I saw a video of him rope-starting his looping motor-generator....
 

 Now I am switching back over to the idea that that is a 220V washing machine motor universal AC/DC type,  and the genset generator is the generator of the two...
 

 You can hear the generator slow a little bit from the lenz law lugging of the light when he plugs it in....so this makes me be more sure it is real thing. The motor probably over-powers any lenz law effect, at least up to a point it will...
 ciaoKone

Hi Warren
 I looked up car alternators as motors, not such a good idea to do that - perhaps permanent magnet type will be ok but you would need some sort of pulse timing and whatnot to make them go....
 I have changed my thinking today in that I think that alternator-looking thing to left is a AC/DC universal washing machine motor, like smokey is saying....the type that will run on 220V
 I have genset in Seattle just like that, I took off motor and in place made a 1" thick plastic plate to mount on the now-opened up end and put bearing in middle now....
 the idea to use that washing machine motor/car alternator-appearing motor to support the one side of the genset is very good way to do it I think and better than how I did it...you can wedge cardboard or whatever all around the rotor, hold it in place good so perfect airgap between rotor and stators and then weld it all up happily...
 What I wonder now is his wiring I will guess single phase from generator, and the motor runs on single phase and it doesn't care about being synched up to sinewave together it just does what it does because it is not a rotovertor motor or induction motor, but rather a brush-type universal AC/DC washing machine motor and lots of different frequencies of AC make it run (or plain DC!).....
 Maybe that black square thing on top of genset with the wires in and out is a FWBR!!! Now it gets real simple....just slam the DC into that washing machine motor.....
 most probably he took out the diode or whatever it is in the genset that makes it not produce electricity until first the rpms are up to sinewave frequency you want to make - my genset like that is also 2cycle gas motor run (took this off) and it is 2 pole motor so I need 3600rpm to make the 60hz sothe genset will then make power - unless I was to take out that zener diode (or whatever it is), now it will work making AC any speed you want....
 I bet he took out that diode, so it does make juice at any speed....
 ciaoKone

DougWhen trying to use an old genset generator, the first thing you discover when you figure out how to separate the generator unit from the motor. This is a tricky thing for the novice.A long draw bolt goes through from the end of the armature shaft into a male taper of the gas engine crankshaft.Once you undo all the bolts you will find yourself with a generator, all right, but it has no shaft sticking out on the engine side, or is there any bearing on that end of the generator armature, because it depends on using the the engine crankshaft bearing which gets direct coupling to the generator, very securely.What is a guy to do, when he wants to drive the generator with something else, other than the gas engine it was designed to connect to?Believe me, it is a bitch of a problem.In my case, I machine a tapered one end stub shaft on the lathe, complete with internal female threaded hole to take the drawbolt. The other end has to have a bearing land on it.Oh bearing! You need a bearing support connecting accurately to the generator case and centering the shaft.In my case, I got lucky and had a scrap yard across the street with a pile of old electric motors. I found one with the right outside diameter and then turned my stub shaft to fit the bearing with plenty of length sticking out to take a vee belt pulleyNow try the same trick in a third world country with only limited machine shop capability, and resources.This is where my respect for the guy blossoms.He has used the gas tank and chassis of the genset to support the "washing machine" motor so that its bearing is supporting the end of the generator armature. Clever!Enough of the connecting shaft is exposed to wrap a cord around to get up enough shaft speed to get the generator generating enough to run. Wow!I hope we can do as well.Cheers Warren

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Hi Mark

I thought I saw a video of him rope-starting his looping motor-generator....




Now I am switching back over to the idea that that is a 220V washing machine motor universal AC/DC type,  and the genset generator is the generator of the two...




You can hear the generator slow a little bit from the lenz law lugging of the light when he plugs it in....so this makes me be more sure it is real thing. The motor probably over-powers any lenz law effect, at least up to a point it will...

ciaoKone

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DougI have a heavy industrial Fairbanks Morse 1800 rpm generator, that I removed from a flathead gas engine, did the stub shaft thing to, put it on an engine mount for belt driving off a diesel engine.An interesting aspect of that stand by genset was that there was a starter winding to turn that generator into a motor, for starting the old flathead gas engine on demand.Although it puts out 60 cycle ac, it also has a full comutator and brushes.I haven't a clue how to hook it up, but did a super job restoring it mechanically.At over 100lbs, it is no toy.If somebody clever with these things would like to help me figure out how to hook it up electrically, we might be able to see if this is a workable concept.I can pull off the covers, and take cell photos, measure the continuity or whatever, with the wires, if somebody can advise me. I know it needs capacitors. I have lots of oil filled rotoverter types.It might be an interesting one to use.I have a suitable heavy welded angle iron table stand to mount the cast iron flywheel.The other approach is to go straight DC motors and generators all the way, which is super easy for me. Inverter and variac, rectifier, plus belt and pulley ratios give lots of latitudeI'll finish getting the flywheel mounted and then we will see.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 4:11 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Mark

I thought I saw a video of him rope-starting his looping motor-generator....




Now I am switching back over to the idea that that is a 220V washing machine motor universal AC/DC type,  and the genset generator is the generator of the two...




You can hear the generator slow a little bit from the lenz law lugging of the light when he plugs it in....so this makes me be more sure it is real thing. The motor probably over-powers any lenz law effect, at least up to a point it will...

ciaoKone

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Gi Warren
 Here is good website explaining at least how common portable ]brush-commutator AC gensets work and there is simple schematic explaining the rotor (field coils), 
 the rotor coils must become a DC electromagnet and this why the diodes anyways t
 his is a start in figuring out the generator you have probably the same thing more or less to it if it makes AC and has brush-commutators.....see if it is 2 pole or 4 pole to the rotor maybe:
 http://portable.generatorguide.net/how-works.html http://portable.generatorguide.net/how-works.html
 ciao
 Kone

Warren, 

 This sounds like it would fit in with hectors idea of conversion of gensets to OU
 

 He mentioned the concept in different postings but none I could find with any in depth.
 

 I said the same thing thinking in RV terms about seperating the field windings and using a cap he said no cap use a VFD or Konemotor it.
 

 That thing sounds big enough to power your whole place if one were able to get the OU thing happening.
 

 Main issue is always going to be the load and how to get a steady impedance to drive.  Something like resistance heaters or light bulbs are going to be somewhat steady but do change with temperature.
 

 I think the Lockridge device worked like this and powered tungsten bulbs during WW2.  Allegedly the guy sold them locally to friends and neighbors and came to a gruesome end.  Anyhow the unit seems to have been ok driving the bulbs if non technical people could use them.
 

 Do you have a VFD for induction motors?  If so just connect this to the starter terminals and put an electric resistance heater or a bunch of quartz worklamps on the other side and measure the amps in and out while varying the speed.  Perhaps at the right speed magic will happen!

Hello Doug,
We'll get that "Puppy" running.  Hecter is correct in the frequency thing, however like I said, Universal motors adjust to frequency...only from what I read, I've never on-site did any experiments.. : ]


      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 4:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Indonesian looping motor generator theory
   
    Hi MarkI thought I saw a video of him rope-starting his looping motor-generator....
Now I am switching back over to the idea that that is a 220V washing machine motor universal AC/DC type,  and the genset generator is the generator of the two...
You can hear the generator slow a little bit from the lenz law lugging of the light when he plugs it in....so this makes me be more sure it is real thing. The motor probably over-powers any lenz law effect, at least up to a point it will...ciaoKone
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by universal motor you mean a vacuum  cleaner alike motor that uses brushes and a commutator and can work on AC  as well as in DC