Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design

Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity
after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the
pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the
eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this
could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a
no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it
would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The
main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with
the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal
differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the
tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building
an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did
not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada. 


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Mick,
           It was quite the experience! lol
  When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
  Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard  maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha  Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc  preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.


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Bart,

Very cool we think along similar lines.  So you are going to machine the
rotors for larger apex seals, for what reason compression?  Of the many
I have rebuilt I have used the stock Mazda parts and always had high
compression but this was in the old days before all the new super materials.

Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for HHO
or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused on that?

The unit was 2 feet from you when it went, can you still hear?   This is
a very interesting testament to safety of HHO but it likely pulled your
eardrums right out the earholes!

Someone removed the flashback good grief, I have come to never
underestimate the stupidity of fucking monkeys, one reason I try never
to have employees if possible.   If you had a concrete company with that
many people you probably had a pumper and trucks and were shitting in
tall cotton.  Why did you stop that business, its often a no brainer
money machine?  Well that is until one considers the monkey factor, they
can sure make things difficult.

On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick,
>            It was quite the experience! lol
>   When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge
> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt
> it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell
> them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a
> very entrusted
> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off
> it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5.
> lol
> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would
> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back
> in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I
> was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could
> be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months
> some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering
> exercises locally.
>   Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard 
> maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling
> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he
> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I
> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! ,
> looped, this time not so low.
> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling
> restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors
> started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for
> the drones as
> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from
> the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me.
> hahahaha
> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup!
> hahaha  Fun times!!!
>
> Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but
> with no luck.
> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for
> several years but it never materialized.
> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was
> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves
> instead of thinking forward.
> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor
> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio
> from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the
> timely values.**
> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3
> thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you
> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc 
> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and
> down on the lab top.
> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day
> no way.
> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get
> back on the making money thing again.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity
> after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with
> the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the
> eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine,
> this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel
> is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as
> it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue. 
> The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber
> with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large
> thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the
> tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion
> engine!
>
> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of
> building an implosion engine?
>
> Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did
> not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada. 
>
>
> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
>>
>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>> 	
>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design
>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>
>>
>

Ok when one rebuilds a rotary before starting squirt some 30 weight into
all four spark plug holes.  Also need to make sure the 2nd oil pump that
pumps into the combustion chamber is going as they are designed to burn
oil for lube like a 2 stroke.  Synthetic oil used to destroy the
peripheral rubber band seals not sure these days.

Have to run but will get back with some controller concepts.

On 1/21/2019 4:36 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick,
>             The idea on ceramic is having hopes of some durability on
> continued runs (in hopes it does not itself crystallize).
> In hopes it needs less lubrication for cycles. So until some facts hit
> the table... that's a lot of hopes.
> Temp will go through the roof on certain focal points. Yes exhaust
> recycled .... with a consumption loss..
> how ever with 130hp we have some room you might say!
> I have built many a motor in my time only to find the first start is
> the highest compression it will ever have.
> The idea is to create a mole that holds in- formation with continued
> embodiment.  Mimicking fossil chain , so the work is done via .
> I have actually done this. But what I would like to do is set up an
> environment where I can play freely with the stoichiometry on the run.
> Having an arena where you can call on any "general" value would be
> helpful.
> On my latest the production , it came out of the 20 liter pale in a
> foam structure , at a high rate. At first I freaked out!
> My brain went SHUT THAT DOWN.... lol
> Only to find by scooping some off by taking a hockey stick and running
> away to light it.... it burned almost like kerosene!
> Slow and hot! (really slow 5-10 sec)   hmmmm?? So the structure can be
> a constant!!
> After taking out the cell from the bucket the water spun
> counterclockwise  for days!!!
> So I would like to hit it with all options! From dc to ac switching .
> If needed back and fro.
> If some one wants to start a camp fire you do not just give them a tree.
> You need kindle.
>
> On this
>
> "Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for
> HHO or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused
> on that?"
>
> Yes to both with as much variance as possible! Can be the  two separate!
> ---------------------
> Ya two feet and all that seismic activity!  My sons room was above the
> garage and he said his furniture all went up!  lol
> When it happened my  instant thought was ... ok... so... it is what it
> is!  Expecting if there was to be any consciousness remaining, to find
> my body parts everywhere.
> Ya could not hear a thing for about 30 min. Ran straight in to the
> shower with my cloths on , expecting to see blood on the drain! But
> ..nope!
>   As in like inspector clouseau  sorry I can not hear you !  the phone
> is ringing!  lol
> Once then realizing I still had a body with parts!  It became a very
> inquisitive thought as to how!
> My best conclusion was that we are also of the same make up! So it was
> I and then there I am it!!!! dunno!
> To try and explain anything under a formula would be really an
> invalidated exercise   at this point!
> The wife says... he is frontiering  again! haha
> ----------------
> The concrete days!   ya got to a good size for a small guy!  Some
> times 85 employ.
> Most of a 12 month was the same guys 20 -30  for say 3 months then
> 30-60 for 6months then 60-85 for remaining.
> Pending if the jobs required unions or not. Built some hospital
> extensions, schools, RBC banks etc.
> Some cross contracts on the Pearson.
> Pumpcrete trucks practically full time. Got to stressful trying to
> keep a stable face when slump tests were not stable with inspectors ,
> thieving, 100k worth of architectural plywood with out a guard on duty
> conveniently that sort of thing!
> Politics,tenders bidding etc. my turn your turn sort of thing! Life
> threats daily! Or at least weekly.
> My at the time 12 year old daughter asked me to do something else when
> while taking her to Ballet class as I unknowingly bent the steering wheel!
> So I sold out as my body was also worn bone to bone. It had had its time!
> We traveled alot with the fam. Enjoyed ourselves, I do not regret the
> decision.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> Very cool we think along similar lines.  So you are going to machine
> the rotors for larger apex seals, for what reason compression?  Of the
> many I have rebuilt I have used the stock Mazda parts and always had
> high compression but this was in the old days before all the new super
> materials.
>
> Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for HHO
> or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused on that?
>
> The unit was 2 feet from you when it went, can you still hear?   This
> is a very interesting testament to safety of HHO but it likely pulled
> your eardrums right out the earholes!
>
> Someone removed the flashback good grief, I have come to never
> underestimate the stupidity of fucking monkeys, one reason I try never
> to have employees if possible.   If you had a concrete company with
> that many people you probably had a pumper and trucks and were
> shitting in tall cotton.  Why did you stop that business, its often a
> no brainer money machine?  Well that is until one considers the monkey
> factor, they can sure make things difficult.
>
> On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Mick,
>>            It was quite the experience! lol
>>   When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge
>> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt
>> it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
>> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell
>> them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became
>> a very entrusted
>> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went
>> off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop
>> helium 5. lol
>> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would
>> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back
>> in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I
>> was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could
>> be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
>> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to
>> months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing
>> maneuvering exercises locally.
>>   Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard 
>> maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
>> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling
>> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he
>> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
>> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I
>> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! ,
>> looped, this time not so low.
>> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a
>> ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again
>> on it.
>> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors
>> started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for
>> the drones as
>> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in
>> from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told
>> me. hahahaha
>> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup!
>> hahaha  Fun times!!!
>>
>> Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but
>> with no luck.
>> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for
>> several years but it never materialized.
>> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was
>> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves
>> instead of thinking forward.
>> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor
>> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
>> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1 
>> ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
>> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
>> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the
>> timely values.**
>> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
>> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the
>> 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
>> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you
>> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
>> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc 
>> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up
>> and down on the lab top.
>> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a
>> day no way.
>> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get
>> back on the making money thing again.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of
>> necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary
>> engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get
>> compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external
>> compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio
>> based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not
>> sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss
>> not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's
>> is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys
>> running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential,
>> quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the
>> rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!
>>
>> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of
>> building an implosion engine?
>>
>> Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did
>> not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada. 
>>
>>
>> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
>>>
>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>> 	
>>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design
>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>>
>>>
>

Mick,
            The idea on ceramic is having hopes of some durability on continued runs (in hopes it does not itself crystallize).
In hopes it needs less lubrication for cycles. So until some facts hit the table... that's a lot of hopes.
Temp will go through the roof on certain focal points. Yes exhaust recycled .... with a consumption loss..
how ever with 130hp we have some room you might say!
I have built many a motor in my time only to find the first start is the highest compression it will ever have.
The idea is to create a mole that holds in- formation with continued embodiment.  Mimicking fossil chain , so the work is done via .
I have actually done this. But what I would like to do is set up an environment where I can play freely with the stoichiometry on the run.
Having an arena where you can call on any "general" value would be helpful.
On my latest the production , it came out of the 20 liter pale in a foam structure , at a high rate. At first I freaked out!
My brain went SHUT THAT DOWN.... lol
Only to find by scooping some off by taking a hockey stick and running away to light it.... it burned almost like kerosene!
Slow and hot! (really slow 5-10 sec)   hmmmm?? So the structure can be a constant!!
After taking out the cell from the bucket the water spun counterclockwise  for days!!!
So I would like to hit it with all options! From dc to ac switching . If needed back and fro.
If some one wants to start a camp fire you do not just give them a tree.
You need kindle.

On this

"Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for HHO or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused on that?"

Yes to both with as much variance as possible! Can be the  two separate!
---------------------
Ya two feet and all that seismic activity!  My sons room was above the garage and he said his furniture all went up!  lol
When it happened my  instant thought was ... ok... so... it is what it is!  Expecting if there was to be any consciousness remaining, to find my body parts everywhere.
Ya could not hear a thing for about 30 min. Ran straight in to the shower with my cloths on , expecting to see blood on the drain! But ..nope!
  As in like inspector clouseau  sorry I can not hear you !  the phone is ringing!  lol
Once then realizing I still had a body with parts!  It became a very inquisitive thought as to how!
My best conclusion was that we are also of the same make up! So it was I and then there I am it!!!! dunno!
To try and explain anything under a formula would be really an invalidated exercise   at this point!
The wife says... he is frontiering  again! haha
----------------
The concrete days!   ya got to a good size for a small guy!  Some times 85 employ.
Most of a 12 month was the same guys 20 -30  for say 3 months then 30-60 for 6months then 60-85 for remaining.
Pending if the jobs required unions or not. Built some hospital extensions, schools, RBC banks etc.
Some cross contracts on the Pearson.
Pumpcrete trucks practically full time. Got to stressful trying to keep a stable face when slump tests were not stable with inspectors ,
thieving, 100k worth of architectural plywood with out a guard on duty conveniently that sort of thing!
Politics,tenders bidding etc. my turn your turn sort of thing! Life threats daily! Or at least weekly.
My at the time 12 year old daughter asked me to do something else when while taking her to Ballet class as I unknowingly bent the steering wheel!
So I sold out as my body was also worn bone to bone. It had had its time!
We traveled alot with the fam. Enjoyed ourselves, I do not regret the decision.

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 21, 2019 8:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

Very cool we think along similar lines.  So you are going to machine the rotors for larger apex seals, for what reason compression?  Of the many I have rebuilt I have used the stock Mazda parts and always had high compression but this was in the old days before all the new super materials.

Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for HHO or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused on that?

The unit was 2 feet from you when it went, can you still hear?   This is a very interesting testament to safety of HHO but it likely pulled your eardrums right out the earholes!

Someone removed the flashback good grief, I have come to never underestimate the stupidity of fucking monkeys, one reason I try never to have employees if possible.   If you had a concrete company with that many people you probably had a pumper and trucks and were shitting in tall cotton.  Why did you stop that business, its often a no brainer money machine?  Well that is until one considers the monkey factor, they can sure make things difficult.

On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick,
           It was quite the experience! lol
  When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
  Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard  maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha  Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc  preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
[X]<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>

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Mick ,
  Thinking back the unit  was sitting just outside of the garage door maybe 4 inches, just under the eve  troughs .
The house was facing the escarpment across the street. The escarpment is approximately 70 - 80 ft high.
So the set up much  that of a speaker. hmmm?
So I would have been standing in the zone between compression and release.
I asked the lad at the time how high the furniture went up  at the time and he replied he does not recall as he was to startled.

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 21, 2019 8:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

Very cool we think along similar lines.  So you are going to machine the rotors for larger apex seals, for what reason compression?  Of the many I have rebuilt I have used the stock Mazda parts and always had high compression but this was in the old days before all the new super materials.

Can you provide more info on the controller, do you want a PWM for HHO or a three phase H bridge motor controller, sorry a bit confused on that?

The unit was 2 feet from you when it went, can you still hear?   This is a very interesting testament to safety of HHO but it likely pulled your eardrums right out the earholes!

Someone removed the flashback good grief, I have come to never underestimate the stupidity of fucking monkeys, one reason I try never to have employees if possible.   If you had a concrete company with that many people you probably had a pumper and trucks and were shitting in tall cotton.  Why did you stop that business, its often a no brainer money machine?  Well that is until one considers the monkey factor, they can sure make things difficult.

On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick,
           It was quite the experience! lol
  When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
  Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard  maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha  Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc  preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
[X]<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>

Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
www.popularmechanics.com<http://www.popularmechanics.com>

Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are
building I could be more specific.  My current project is undertaking
the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a
couple hundred watts from a  switch mode supply.  After preliminary
research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build
the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers
look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break
out the soldering iron.  By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a
lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1

These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor
it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090  controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909



On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick,
>            It was quite the experience! lol
>   When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge
> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt
> it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell
> them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a
> very entrusted
> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off
> it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5.
> lol
> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would
> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back
> in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I
> was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could
> be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months
> some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering
> exercises locally.
>   Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard 
> maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling
> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he
> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I
> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! ,
> looped, this time not so low.
> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling
> restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors
> started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for
> the drones as
> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from
> the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me.
> hahahaha
> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup!
> hahaha  Fun times!!!
>
> Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but
> with no luck.
> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for
> several years but it never materialized.
> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was
> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves
> instead of thinking forward.
> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor
> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio
> from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the
> timely values.**
> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3
> thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you
> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc 
> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and
> down on the lab top.
> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day
> no way.
> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get
> back on the making money thing again.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity
> after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with
> the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the
> eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine,
> this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel
> is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as
> it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue. 
> The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber
> with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large
> thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the
> tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion
> engine!
>
> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of
> building an implosion engine?
>
> Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did
> not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada. 
>
>
> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
>>
>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>> 	
>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design
>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>
>>
>

Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic 
templates!� See: Elemental Replication.

16 October 1996

*To: Hal Fox,Fusion Facts*

*Elemental Replication ?*

**

Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the 
Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the 
possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.This water which 
will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information 
removed.This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and 
monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.This is the 
ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of 
original creation.�Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and 
fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.After several weeks of 
successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true 
�pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate 
electrolyte.A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals 
as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.With 
the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before 
with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after 
�pristine water�.

After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with 
the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of 
sight.When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which 
shorted the cell plates.Our first thought was that the electrolytic 
action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit 
found.Theelectrolyte was allowed to settle out the 
precipitate.Afterdecanting off,the clear electrolyte was returned to the 
cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour 
with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being 
consumed by the cell in the splitting action.Again the cell temperature 
and current mirrored the first run.Again the cell contained the same 
amount of sludge residue.This process was repeated ten (10) times with 
exactly the same results.All of the sludge was carefully dried and 
weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.The cell 
plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that 
may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.Five hundred 
(500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was 
vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals 
contained.When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain 
of48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.

After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that 
has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell 
which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.Both 
Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as 
the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a 
overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic 
table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.This unusual 
cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. 
At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor 
which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.The 
ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a 
report will be forthcoming.What is interesting about this phenomenon is 
that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly 
the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water 
being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and 
the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to 
explain the observed phenomenon.The electrolyte appears stronger in 
mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.

After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 
colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic 
templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) 
to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.If you subscribe 
to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the 
octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he 
describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the 
replication of elements directly from energy input alone.This is how all 
matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The 
Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.I will keep all informed as to 
our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

CC:Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Mick,
> ���������������� Cool....
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>
>
> I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on something 
> like this, what gases are you using?
> He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. 
> Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do 
> not recall the details.
> Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from 
> Russia.� Whats your application?
>
> The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , 
> currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
> in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
> A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of elements 
> with increased inputs.
> Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
> �The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� and 
> higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
> Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
> Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
> I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>
> Bart,
>
> Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are 
> building I could be more specific.� My current project is undertaking 
> the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of 
> a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� After preliminary 
> research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may 
> build the design into a half bridge for more control.
>
> How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?
>
> For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers 
> look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to 
> break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to fire 
> off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.
>
> Here are two of the EV controller sources:
> http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
> https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1
>
> These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
> https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm
>
> https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller
>
> If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a 
> microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency 
> avail
> tps40090� controller
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages
>
> http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/
>
> http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909
>
>
>
> On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Mick,
>> ���������� It was quite the experience! lol
>> � When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge 
>> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt 
>> it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
>> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would tell 
>> them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became 
>> a very entrusted
>> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went 
>> off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop 
>> helium 5. lol
>> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would 
>> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back 
>> in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I 
>> was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could 
>> be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
>> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to 
>> months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing 
>> maneuvering exercises locally.
>> � Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard 
>> maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
>> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling 
>> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he 
>> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
>> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I 
>> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , 
>> looped, this time not so low.
>> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a 
>> ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again 
>> on it.
>> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The neighbors 
>> started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for 
>> the drones as
>> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in 
>> from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told 
>> me. hahahaha
>> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! 
>> hahaha� Fun times!!!
>>
>> Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones available but 
>> with no luck.
>> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for 
>> several years but it never materialized.
>> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was 
>> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves 
>> instead of thinking forward.
>> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor 
>> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
>> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� 
>> ratio from the crank.I want to see what stoichiometry I am running with.
>> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
>> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the 
>> timely values.**
>> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
>> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 
>> 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
>> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you 
>> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
>> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc 
>> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up 
>> and down on the lab top.
>> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a 
>> day no way.
>> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get 
>> back on the making money thing again.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of 
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of 
>> necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary 
>> engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get 
>> compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external 
>> compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio 
>> based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not 
>> sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss 
>> not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the Mazda's 
>> is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys 
>> running across it.� This causes a large thermal differential, 
>> quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.� Seems the 
>> rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!
>>
>> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of 
>> building an implosion engine?
>>
>> Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad you did 
>> not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.
>>
>>
>> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/ 
>>>
>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>> 	
>>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design 
>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>>
>>>
>

Mick,
                 Cool....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>

I remember from a retired electronic engineer  speaking on something like this, what gases are you using?
He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. Triode  maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do not recall the details.
Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from Russia.  Whats your application?

The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
A Fleischmann and Pons   exercise  only a wider variant of elements with increased inputs.
  Symbiotic like values. such as .1   .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
 The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer  and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.  My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a  switch mode supply.  After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.  By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090  controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick,
           It was quite the experience! lol
  When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
  Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard  maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha  Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc  preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
[X]<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>

Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
www.popularmechanics.com<http://www.popularmechanics.com>

Norm,
              I have reviewed quickly the pdfs you have provided. I will grant you I would need to review Gibbs again how ever it seems as tho it is
primarily a standard of value on description for communication purposes! The books I will need to order.
Super 77 , wow , so they believed in some way this product helped maintain the mass and or increase it? I am writing this mostly so I can
see it on a page! lol     I as well have experienced this "red" sludge.  At first I felt it was the stripping of contaminates. but again and again and so on.
The cell that I have or perhaps will build another with a reservoir below in hopes of keeping it from shorting out the values.  Also I am going to add
a supply line in once some general testing has been achieved.
We have come some distance now with water studies, but really its all just starting.   For example in a room full of people all holding a glass of water
provided they keep the same cup!   We can identify every one simply by the water they are holding!   It takes some time of course but yes! Also in time
the water changes again.   It would seem our frequencies are personally unique from each other in similar ways as a finger print and are transferred to the molecules .
The amount of information in a droplet is uncountable.
The 77 would have to be some kind of aid enhancing the pairing when you look at the properties of leptons.
The Newlands octave is a must for me. All this, everything in the first hydron!  I do not think it possible we could ever get to that level of intellect!
A simple glass of water sitting on a table reacts slightly before , on or slightly after the flare comes off the sun. Yet how long does it take for a photon! 8 plus minutes!

Thankyou Norm

Bart



________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic templates!� See: Elemental Replication.

16 October 1996

To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication ?

�

����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after �pristine water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� �������

��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.��������������������� The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.����������������������

��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������

�

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.��������������������������������

�� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

�

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

�

�

CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�

Mick,
���������������� Cool....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>

I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on something like this, what gases are you using?
He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do not recall the details.
Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from Russia.� Whats your application?

The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of elements with increased inputs.
� Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
�The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.� My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090� controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
Mick,
���������� It was quite the experience! lol
� When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
� Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha� Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc� preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
[X]<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>

Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
www.popularmechanics.com<http://www.popularmechanics.com>

Mick ,

  Thank you for site surfing on this, looks like you gave it some time.  Yes pwm  could be a good start.  I was using a golf cart controller from Alltrax  but it was only 100 amp and I believe I cooked it.
There is a 600 amp here , looks like it could maintain maybe 300 on a continuous cycle, start up takes the longest then backs off considerably.
Was going for 1200 amp.

https://alltraxinc.com/sr-series/

Thanks

Bart
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.  My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a  switch mode supply.  After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.  By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090  controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick,
           It was quite the experience! lol
  When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what  I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
  Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard  maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm  ha  ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha  Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!   Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1  ratio from the crank.I want to see what  stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc  preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.  That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.  The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.  The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.  This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.  Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...  DAMN... sorry to hear this.  Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
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Mick,
  Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
Its probably right in front of me !

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic templates!� See: Elemental Replication.

16 October 1996

To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication ?

�

����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after �pristine water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� �������

��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.��������������������� The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.����������������������

��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������

�

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.��������������������������������

�� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

�

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

�

�

CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�

Mick,
���������������� Cool....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>

I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on something like this, what gases are you using?
He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do not recall the details.
Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from Russia.� Whats your application?

The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of elements with increased inputs.
� Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
�The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.� My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090� controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
Mick,
���������� It was quite the experience! lol
� When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
� Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha� Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc� preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
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The electrolyte was Body Booster, sole in Health Food Stores, Origin is 
Humic Shale. See: 
https://thesoulofahorse.com/take-charge-of-your-life/youngevitys-humic-shale-mine-in-utah/ 
77 minerals for the replication atomic templates.

On 2/6/2019 12:10 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Mick,
> Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
> Its probably right in front of me !
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>
> Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic 
> templates!� See: Elemental Replication.
>
> 16 October 1996
>
> *To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts*
>
> *Elemental Replication ?*
>
> *�*
>
> ����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis 
> cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of 
> exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine 
> Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have 
> had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by 
> recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a 
> properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this 
> is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy 
> Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe 
> Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful 
> operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true 
> �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate 
> electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal 
> minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the 
> body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into 
> operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of 
> the sought after �pristine 
> water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� 
> �������
>
> ��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely 
> �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and 
> the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep 
> red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first 
> thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the 
> colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� 
> electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� 
> decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for 
> another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a 
> normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by 
> the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and 
> current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same 
> amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) 
> times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was 
> carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal 
> resolution.��������������������� 
> The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of 
> mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� 
> Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the 
> cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal 
> minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out 
> with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional 
> electrolysis.���������������������� 
>
>
> ��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a 
> patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the 
> cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been 
> so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was 
> observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold 
> fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral 
> movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements 
> with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has 
> caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I 
> have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could 
> possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten 
> (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a 
> report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this 
> phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original 
> electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the 
> previous ten 
> runs.����������������������������������������������������������������������� 
>
>
> �
>
> Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled 
> water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the 
> solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard 
> pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The 
> electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no 
> sign of 
> depletion.�������������������������������� 
>
>
> �� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that 
> the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the 
> atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the 
> elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If 
> you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his 
> explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen 
> being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is 
> possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input 
> alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as 
> described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of 
> Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and 
> findings in this very intriguing venture.
>
> �
>
> Norman Wootan
>
> P.O. Box 141049
>
> Dallas, TX 75214
>
> (214) 360-0865
>
> �
>
> �
>
> CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy
>
> CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M
>
> On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> �
>>
>> Mick,
>> ���������������� Cool....
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>
>>
>> I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on 
>> something like this, what gases are you using?
>> He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 
>> 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) 
>> , I do not recall the details.
>> Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available 
>> from Russia.� Whats your application?
>>
>> The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , 
>> currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
>> in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
>> A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of 
>> elements with increased inputs.
>> � Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
>> �The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� 
>> and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
>> Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
>> Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
>> I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of 
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>> �
>> �
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are 
>> building I could be more specific.� My current project is 
>> undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing 
>> RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� 
>> After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen 
>> thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.
>>
>> How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?
>>
>> For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers 
>> look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to 
>> break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to 
>> fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.
>>
>> Here are two of the EV controller sources:
>> http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
>> https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1
>>
>> These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT 
>> boards to:
>> https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm
>>
>> https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller
>>
>> If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a 
>> microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency 
>> avail
>> tps40090� controller
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages
>>
>> http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/
>>
>> http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> �
>>> Mick,
>>> ���������� It was quite the experience! lol
>>> � When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge 
>>> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and 
>>> felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
>>> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would 
>>> tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it 
>>> became a very entrusted
>>> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went 
>>> off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop 
>>> helium 5. lol
>>> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would 
>>> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came 
>>> back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told 
>>> them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so 
>>> they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
>>> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to 
>>> months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing 
>>> maneuvering exercises locally.
>>> � Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some 
>>> yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
>>> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling 
>>> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he 
>>> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
>>> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I 
>>> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , 
>>> looped, this time not so low.
>>> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a 
>>> ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought 
>>> again on it.
>>> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The 
>>> neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a 
>>> usual path for the drones as
>>> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in 
>>> from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told 
>>> me. hahahaha
>>> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! 
>>> hahaha� Fun times!!!
>>>
>>> Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones 
>>> available but with no luck.
>>> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for 
>>> several years but it never materialized.
>>> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was 
>>> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves 
>>> instead of thinking forward.
>>> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor 
>>> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
>>> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� 
>>> ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am 
>>> running with.
>>> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
>>> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the 
>>> timely values.**
>>> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
>>> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 
>>> 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
>>> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you 
>>> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
>>> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc� 
>>> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up 
>>> and down on the lab top.
>>> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a 
>>> day no way.
>>> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to 
>>> get back on the making money thing again.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf 
>>> of Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>> �
>>> �
>>>
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of 
>>> necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary 
>>> engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get 
>>> compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external 
>>> compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio 
>>> based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not 
>>> sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to 
>>> poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the 
>>> Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling 
>>> galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal 
>>> differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the 
>>> tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an 
>>> implosion engine!
>>>
>>> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of 
>>> building an implosion engine?
>>>
>>> Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad 
>>> you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> �
>>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/ 
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>> 	
>>>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design 
>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>

Norman

    Thanks for clarifying this. I nearly ordered this, as my search only referred to these products

https://saferemedies.com/product/vitamins-minerals/xxl-colloidal-minerals/

You once mentioned you would like to play with some powdered mags to see its flow ability (8 micron maybe?) I can only assume.
Some one suggested it would most likely clump. But not if the right stabilizer s  can be employed .
I will post some thing to you I have been working on but will need a little more time.

I accidentally came across this  product, only mentioning it because I think we will need a substrate then additives to charge and discharge
when considering a flow battery.

https://www.americanelements.com/selenium-77-isotope-14681-72-2

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=flow+battery+

I sat in on 29 lectures of the 35  Donald Sadoway gave at MIT    concerning his flow battery.

This re-inspired my interests , probably worth for all for entertainment as I hope to actually take this some wheres soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQ9a_xIqRg


This is his TED talk for his conclusion, how ever I think we can piggy back for a period.

https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy?language=en


________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: February 6, 2019 7:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



The electrolyte was Body Booster, sole in Health Food Stores, Origin is Humic Shale. See: https://thesoulofahorse.com/take-charge-of-your-life/youngevitys-humic-shale-mine-in-utah/�� 77 minerals for the replication atomic templates.

On 2/6/2019 12:10 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�

Mick,
� Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
Its probably right in front of me !

________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic templates!� See: Elemental Replication.

16 October 1996

To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication ?

�

����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after �pristine water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� �������

��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.��������������������� The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.����������������������

��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������

�

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.��������������������������������

�� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

�

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

�

�

CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�

Mick,
���������������� Cool....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>

I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on something like this, what gases are you using?
He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do not recall the details.
Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from Russia.� Whats your application?

The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of elements with increased inputs.
� Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
�The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.� My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090� controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
Mick,
���������� It was quite the experience! lol
� When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
� Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha� Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc� preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�


On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
�
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
[X]<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>

Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design<https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
www.popularmechanics.com<http://www.popularmechanics.com>

Back a year or so ago we were talking about the cell and how he was
getting more goop than was possible weight wise and was at some point
using the humic or fulvic acid as an electrolyte.  This is to the best
of my recollection might have been fulvic actually.  Also since the
fulvic acid has all of the trace minerals it seems a good secret sauce
for alchemy studies.  I know it's sometimes difficult to find words on
the search function.

On 2/6/2019 1:10 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick,
>   Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
> Its probably right in front of me !
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>  
>  
>
> Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic
> templates!� See: Elemental Replication.
>
> 16 October 1996
>
> *To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts*
>
> *Elemental Replication ?*
>
> *�*
>
> ����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis
> cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of
> exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine
> Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have
> had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by
> recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a
> properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this
> is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy
> Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe
> Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful
> operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true
> �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate
> electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal
> minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the
> body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into
> operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of
> the sought after �pristine
> water�.�������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������
> �������
>
> ��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely
> �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and
> the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep
> red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first
> thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the
> colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The�
> electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After�
> decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for
> another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a
> normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by
> the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and
> current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same
> amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10)
> times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was
> carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal
> resolution.���������������������
> The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of
> mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.�
> Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the
> cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal
> minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out
> with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional
> electrolysis.����������������������
>
>
> ��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a
> patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the
> cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been
> so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was
> observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold
> fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral
> movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements
> with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has
> caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I
> have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could
> possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten
> (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a
> report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this
> phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original
> electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the
> previous ten
> runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������
>
>
> �
>
> Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled
> water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the
> solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard
> pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The
> electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no
> sign of
> depletion.��������������������������������
>
>
> �� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that
> the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the
> atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the
> elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If
> you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his
> explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen
> being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is
> possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input
> alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as
> described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of
> Matter�..��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and
> findings in this very intriguing venture.
>
> �
>
> Norman Wootan
>
> P.O. Box 141049
>
> Dallas, TX 75214
>
> (214) 360-0865
>
> �
>
> �
>
> CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy
>
> CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M
>
> On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> �
>>
>> Mick,
>> ���������������� Cool.....
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron�
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>
>>
>> I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on
>> something like this, what gases are you using?
>> He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and
>> 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?)
>> , I do not recall the details.
>> Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available
>> from Russia.� Whats your application?
>>
>> The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special ,
>> currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
>> in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
>> A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of
>> elements with increased inputs.
>> � Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
>> �The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer�
>> and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
>> Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
>> Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
>> I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>> �
>> �
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are
>> building I could be more specific.� My current project is
>> undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing
>> RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.�
>> After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen
>> thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.
>>
>> How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?
>>
>> For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers
>> look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to
>> break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to
>> fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.
>>
>> Here are two of the EV controller sources:
>> http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
>> https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1
>>
>> These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT
>> boards to:
>> https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm
>>
>> https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller
>>
>> If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a
>> microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency
>> avail
>> tps40090� controller
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages
>>
>> http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/
>>
>> http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> �
>>> Mick,
>>> ���������� It was quite the experience! lol
>>> � When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge
>>> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and
>>> felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
>>> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would
>>> tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it
>>> became a very entrusted
>>> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went
>>> off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop
>>> helium 5. lol
>>> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would
>>> not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came
>>> back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told
>>> them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so
>>> they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
>>> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to
>>> months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing
>>> maneuvering exercises locally.
>>> � Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some
>>> yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
>>> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling
>>> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he
>>> came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
>>> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I
>>> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! ,
>>> looped, this time not so low.
>>> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a
>>> ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought
>>> again on it.
>>> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The
>>> neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a
>>> usual path for the drones as
>>> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in
>>> from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told
>>> me. hahahaha
>>> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup!
>>> hahaha� Fun times!!!
>>>
>>> Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones
>>> available but with no luck.
>>> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for
>>> several years but it never materialized.
>>> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was
>>> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves
>>> instead of thinking forward.
>>> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor
>>> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
>>> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1�
>>> ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am
>>> running with.
>>> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
>>> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the
>>> timely values.**
>>> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed..
>>> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the
>>> 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
>>> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you
>>> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
>>> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc�
>>> preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up
>>> and down on the lab top.
>>> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a
>>> day no way.
>>> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to
>>> get back on the making money thing again.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf
>>> of Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>> �
>>> �
>>>
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of
>>> necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary
>>> engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get
>>> compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external
>>> compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio
>>> based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not
>>> sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to
>>> poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the
>>> Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling
>>> galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal
>>> differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the
>>> tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an
>>> implosion engine!
>>>
>>> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of
>>> building an implosion engine?
>>>
>>> Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad
>>> you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> �
>>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>> 	
>>>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design
>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>

Bart, here is part two of the Elemental Replication Document.

19 October 1996

*To: Hal Fox ,Fusion Facts*

*Elemental Replication?*

**

**On 16 October I made an initial report on the electrolysis cell that 
appears to be creating mass or elements from distilled water and 
electrical energy input.The following is the technical description of 
the cell , set-up procedures, run procedures and the final solid residue 
weight data.

Cell Description

The electrolysis cell is designed to hold one (1) liter of electrolyte 
and operate at approximately 150 watt power level for the production of 
monatomic hydrogen andmonatomic oxygen which is burned back to pure 
water and collected in a glass condenser.Cell container is schedule 40 
PVC pipe section 6 inches long with bottom cap cemented on.The top of 
the cell has a 4 inch female thread adapter cemented on to provide 
access to the interior via a male threaded plug which has the gas outlet 
port and two electrolyte fill ports to provide for replacement of lost 
electrolyte on the fly for continuos operation.Positive and negative 
terminals are provided for external connection of the power supply leads 
to the internal anode- cathode stack.

The cell plate stack consist of 8 anode plates and 8 cathode plates of 
the following sizes constructed from 316L stainless steel of 22 ga. 
thickness.

4 ea.3� X 3� plates,2 ea. 3� X 2.75�plates,2 ea. 3� X 2.5�plates,2 ea. 
3� X 2.25� plates,2 ea. 3� X 2� plates,2 ea. 3� X 1.75� plates, and2 ea. 
3� X 1.5� plates.The plates are drilled and stacked with alternating 
anode and cathode plates spaced 1/8� apart which makes a cylindrical 
shaped array which fits nicely inside of the 4� ID PVCcell 
container.Electrical leads are braided copper of #10 size which are 
covered by shrink tubing to cover conductive surface as they pass 
through the electrolyte to the cell terminal bolts.All electrical 
surfaces other than the anode and cathode plates are carefully covered 
with PVC cement to prevent deterioration from electrolyte contact.Please 
note that if allowed to come into contact with �charged� surfaces 
monatomic hydrogen and monatonic oxygen will imediately form into their 
usual occuring state as diatomic H2 and O2 molecules.

The electrolyte originally used was Potassium Carbonate and distilled 
water mixed to provide a cell current of20 amps @ 5 volts DC.Please 
don�t get excited by saying that 1.7 volts is the ideal voltage for 
electrolysis for this is not intended to be a normal cell operation from 
the get-go if you get my �drift�.The electrolyte that was substituted 
after two weeks of successful cell operation is a product called Body 
Booster which can be bought from most health food outlets and is 
produced byThe Rockland Corporation, Tulsa, OK 741361 (800) 
421-7310.This product contains 77 colloidal minerals which are plant 
derived from humic shale which is mined in Emery County, Utah.Hal Fox 
said he was very familiar with this famous deposit of shale from a 
prehistoric forest dating back 70 million years.I used 500 ml. of the 
selected electrolyte mixed with 500ml. of distilled water which gave me 
a starting cell current of 30 amps @ 5 Volts DC input.The power supply 
selected to drive this electrolysis cell is a switching type that has an 
output of 5 Volts DC with a current capability of 120 amps.

Recombination burn of the monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen give 
the proper heat signatures which enable you to determine whether you are 
generating H2 and O2 gas which is diatomicor the desired monatomic 
gases.Everyone experimenting with the famous �brown�s gas� knows that 
only monatomic gas will provide the high temperatures necessary to 
sublimate a tungsten wire.

Cell Set Up

With the cell set up and ready for operation a safety bubblier must be 
used between the gas generator cell and the burner orifice to prevent 
possible flash back implosion in the generator proper.The burner nozzle 
used was hand drawn from quartz tubingand was fitted inside a Pyrex 
cryogenic condenser unit which is cooled to about 40 degrees F. with 
circulating chilled water.After power is supplied to cell and stable gas 
flow is established through bubblier the burn jet is lit off and 
inserted into the sealed condenser unit so that there is no outside air 
contaminates to deal with.Since the burn of this ideal ratio gas is 
implosive when reforming into water the unit can be run in a totally 
closed and sealed system.Cell voltage , current and temperature is 
monitored by attached instrumentation.A cell this size will generate 
50ml. of reformed water during a 6 hour run with the cell temperature 
stabilizing around 120 degrees F.

Test Results

As stated before, after an hour of running time with the new electrolyte 
the temperature and cell current made a drastic increase caused by the 
shorting out of the cell plate stack from mineral sludge build up.After 
ten (10) runs recycling the same decanted electrolyte back into the cell 
the followingsolid residue data was recorded after careful filtering, 
drying and weighing.

Run # 18.04 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 27.98 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 310.45 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 410.71 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 511.69 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 67.34 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 78.10 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 85.73 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 96.35 gm. dry solid weight

Run #103.96 gm. dry solid weight

_____________________________

Total wt. 80.35 gm. dry solid weight

A sample 500ml. quantity of the original electrolyte selected was vacuum 
distilled down, filtered and dried to determine the actual mineral 
content of the electrolyte with a resulting weight of5.8 gm.The label on 
the bottle state that the mineral content of 500 ml. is 19 gm.Since 
there is a glaring discrepancy between the starting electrolyte mineral 
content and the solid residue yield we carefully weighed all components 
of the cell and found that the cell anode and cathode plates had lost a 
total of34.79 gm of their original total weight of 464.28 gm.A quantity 
of 500 ml. of the beginning electrolyte weighs exactly 527.4 gm.After 10 
runs the 500ml. quantity of the electrolyte weighs 523.9 gm which means 
that there is a density loss of only 3.5 gm. from a beginning (actual) 
mineral content of 5.8 gm.After subtracting all factors we still have an 
excess mass of 45.56 gm. of material.Since this cell had been run for 
two weeks using the potassium carbonate as an electrolyte before the 
switch to the new electrolyte we could not determine the extent of plate 
material loss that had occurred during this first period of operation.

Test Results (New Cell)

The solution was to build a complete new cell with all new parts and 
hardware. Everything was carefully weighed and documented before a new 
series of runs were conducted.The following data is from fifteen (15) 
consecutive runs with the electrolyte being recycled back into the cell 
after extracting the solid residue.

Run #12.84 gm dry solid weight

Run #24.16 gm dry solid weight

Run #34.19 gm. dry solid weight

Run #44.00 gm. dry solid weight

Run #55.96 gm. dry solid weight

Run #62.83 gm. dry solid weight

Run #73.80 gm. dry solid weight

Run #84.95 gm. dry solid weight

Run #96.18 gm. dry solid weight

Run #105.56 gm. dry solid weight

Run #114.33 gm. dry solid weight

Run #124.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #133.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #144.52 gm. dry solid weight

Run #156.57 gm. dry solid weight

______________________________

Total wt.68.21 gm. dry solid weight

When you analyze the weight data from the runs the question arises as to 
why there is such deviations in yield between the runs.This can be 
answered from a visual examination of the dried and crushed residue. 
There is a distinct difference in color and texture from one run to the 
other with the beginning runs being a dark brownish hard residuechanging 
to a lighter brown soft clay like residue at the end of the run with an 
increase in volume toward the end of the series.

The electrolyte starts as a light yellow brown colorand ends as a darker 
more brownish yellow fluid which appears to have more dissolved minerals 
present than at the beginning.

The next step was to disassemble the cell components and carefully weigh 
and document any and all losses which may contribute to the observed 
mass gain.After this task was completed we found a total loss of mass 
from the cell plates of 34.44 gm.This leaves us with an unaccounted for 
mass gain of 33.77 gm. derived from a starting volume of electrolyte 
that contains only 5.8 gm. determined by vacuum distillation of the 
actual beginning electrolyte (500 ml.).Two samples of the recovered 
material has been sent to separate labs for analysis to determine 
composition.This will present a problem since the produced minerals seem 
to change in composition and color with each run made.It may be 
necessary to run an analysis on each and every run product to determine 
exact minerals being produced and in what quantities.Keep in mind that 
the electrolyte is far from being spent or stripped of dissolved 
minerals.I stopped the process at 15 runs so I could write this report 
of findings.I will keep everyone informed as to future progress.In the 
mean time I would invite anyone interested to replicate this experiment 
since it is so simple to set up.

CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

On 2/6/2019 7:35 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> ��� Thanks for clarifying this. I nearly ordered this, as my search 
> only referred to these products
>
> https://saferemedies.com/product/vitamins-minerals/xxl-colloidal-minerals/
>
> You once mentioned you would like to play with some powdered mags to 
> see its flow ability (8 micron maybe?) I can only assume.
> Some one suggested it would most likely clump. But not if the right 
> stabilizer s� can be employed .
> I will post some thing to you I have been working on but will need a 
> little more time.
>
> I accidentally came across this� product, only mentioning it because I 
> think we will need a substrate then additives to charge and discharge
> when considering a flow battery.
>
> https://www.americanelements.com/selenium-77-isotope-14681-72-2
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=flow+battery+
>
> I sat in on 29 lectures of the 35� Donald Sadoway gave at MIT��� 
> concerning his flow battery.
>
> This re-inspired my interests , probably worth for all for 
> entertainment as I hope to actually take this some wheres soon.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQ9a_xIqRg
>
>
> This is his TED talk for his conclusion, how ever I think we can piggy 
> back for a period.
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy?language=en
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* February 6, 2019 7:47 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>
> The electrolyte was Body Booster, sole in Health Food Stores, Origin 
> is Humic Shale. See: 
> https://thesoulofahorse.com/take-charge-of-your-life/youngevitys-humic-shale-mine-in-utah/�� 
> 77 minerals for the replication atomic templates.
>
> On 2/6/2019 12:10 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> �
>> Mick,
>> � Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
>> Its probably right in front of me !
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of 
>> Norman Wootan [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>> �
>> �
>>
>> Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic 
>> templates!� See: Elemental Replication.
>>
>> 16 October 1996
>>
>> *To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts*
>>
>> *Elemental Replication ?*
>>
>> *�*
>>
>> ����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis 
>> cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of 
>> exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine 
>> Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have 
>> had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by 
>> recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a 
>> properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this 
>> is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� 
>> �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow 
>> researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of 
>> successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a 
>> true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an 
>> alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 
>> 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest 
>> assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the 
>> cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination 
>> burn and production of the sought after �pristine 
>> water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� 
>> �������
>>
>> ��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely 
>> �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and 
>> the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep 
>> red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first 
>> thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the 
>> colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� 
>> electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� 
>> decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for 
>> another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with 
>> a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed 
>> by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature 
>> and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the 
>> same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten 
>> (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was 
>> carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five 
>> decimal 
>> resolution.��������������������� 
>> The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss 
>> of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the 
>> sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution 
>> used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of 
>> colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we 
>> came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by 
>> conventional 
>> electrolysis.���������������������� 
>>
>>
>> ��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a 
>> patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the 
>> cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been 
>> so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was 
>> observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold 
>> fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral 
>> movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements 
>> with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has 
>> caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time 
>> I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which 
>> could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� 
>> The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon 
>> and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about 
>> this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the 
>> original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered 
>> as in the previous ten 
>> runs.����������������������������������������������������������������������� 
>>
>>
>> �
>>
>> Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled 
>> water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the 
>> solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard 
>> pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The 
>> electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no 
>> sign of 
>> depletion.�������������������������������� 
>>
>>
>> �� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion 
>> that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide 
>> the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all 
>> the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic 
>> mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter 
>> Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with 
>> monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to 
>> hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements 
>> directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was 
>> created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The 
>> Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all 
>> informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.
>>
>> �
>>
>> Norman Wootan
>>
>> P.O. Box 141049
>>
>> Dallas, TX 75214
>>
>> (214) 360-0865
>>
>> �
>>
>> �
>>
>> CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy
>>
>> CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M
>>
>> On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> �
>>>
>>> Mick,
>>> ���������������� Cool....
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>
>>>
>>> I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on 
>>> something like this, what gases are you using?
>>> He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 
>>> 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications 
>>> ?) , I do not recall the details.
>>> Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available 
>>> from Russia.� Whats your application?
>>>
>>> The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , 
>>> currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
>>> in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
>>> A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of 
>>> elements with increased inputs.
>>> � Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
>>> �The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the 
>>> longer� and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
>>> Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
>>> Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
>>> I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf 
>>> of Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>> �
>>> �
>>>
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are 
>>> building I could be more specific.� My current project is 
>>> undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing 
>>> RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� 
>>> After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen 
>>> thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.
>>>
>>> How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?
>>>
>>> For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle 
>>> controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless 
>>> you want to break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 
>>> bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more 
>>> time involved.
>>>
>>> Here are two of the EV controller sources:
>>> http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
>>> https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1
>>>
>>> These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT 
>>> boards to:
>>> https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm
>>>
>>> https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller
>>>
>>> If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a 
>>> microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency 
>>> avail
>>> tps40090� controller
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages
>>>
>>> http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/
>>>
>>> http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> �
>>>> Mick,
>>>> ���������� It was quite the experience! lol
>>>> � When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge 
>>>> (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and 
>>>> felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
>>>> Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would 
>>>> tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it 
>>>> became a very entrusted
>>>> component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went 
>>>> off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop 
>>>> helium 5. lol
>>>> They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of 
>>>> would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they 
>>>> came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I 
>>>> told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar 
>>>> so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
>>>> They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to 
>>>> months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing 
>>>> maneuvering exercises locally.
>>>> � Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some 
>>>> yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
>>>> Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling 
>>>> off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, 
>>>> he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
>>>> My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I 
>>>> told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , 
>>>> looped, this time not so low.
>>>> I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a 
>>>> ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought 
>>>> again on it.
>>>> Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The 
>>>> neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a 
>>>> usual path for the drones as
>>>> Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in 
>>>> from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they 
>>>> told me. hahahaha
>>>> So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! 
>>>> hahaha� Fun times!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones 
>>>> available but with no luck.
>>>> Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for 
>>>> several years but it never materialized.
>>>> Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was 
>>>> when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves 
>>>> instead of thinking forward.
>>>> So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor 
>>>> snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
>>>> But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� 
>>>> ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am 
>>>> running with.
>>>> CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
>>>> Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the 
>>>> timely values.**
>>>> Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
>>>> I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on 
>>>> the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
>>>> Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you 
>>>> would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
>>>> So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 
>>>> vdc� preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can 
>>>> tap up and down on the lab top.
>>>> In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a 
>>>> day no way.
>>>> Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to 
>>>> get back on the making money thing again.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
>>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf 
>>>> of Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] 
>>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> *Sent:* January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
>>>> �
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Bart,
>>>>
>>>> I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of 
>>>> necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary 
>>>> engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get 
>>>> compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external 
>>>> compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression 
>>>> ratio based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a 
>>>> diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool 
>>>> enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue 
>>>> with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the 
>>>> cooling galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal 
>>>> differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the 
>>>> tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an 
>>>> implosion engine!
>>>>
>>>> What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of 
>>>> building an implosion engine?
>>>>
>>>> Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad 
>>>> you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/20/2019 3:46 PM, bart woodard [email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> �
>>>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/ 
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>>> 	
>>>>> Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design | New Rotary Engine Design 
>>>>> <https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/car-technology/amp25938374/szorenyi-rotary-engine/>
>>>>> www.popularmechanics.com <http://www.popularmechanics.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

Norman  .....thought there should be more!   lol
Found a box full of Youngevity , it would seem a friend dropped some off a couple of years back.
He is a retired electrician, he had a stroke and was bed ridden. A couple of years had past and he was up and fumbling around.
He was taking youngevity and found it was getting him better so he could get mobile.
I gave him some water , a week goes by and his wife called saying , he  is building and has built a new deck today , he going
around like a young man! lol  He mixed the youngevity with the water and found it went further on the healing value.
I need to check expiry dates lol

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Sent: February 9, 2019 7:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design



Bart, here is part two of the Elemental Replication Document.

19 October 1996

To: Hal Fox ,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication?

�

��� On 16 October I made an initial report on the electrolysis cell that appears to be creating mass or elements from distilled water and electrical energy input.� The following is the technical description of the cell , set-up procedures, run procedures and the final solid residue weight data.

Cell Description

�

��� The electrolysis cell is designed to hold one (1) liter of electrolyte and operate at approximately 150 watt power level for the production of monatomic hydrogen and� monatomic oxygen which is burned back to pure water and collected in a glass condenser.� Cell container is schedule 40 PVC pipe section 6 inches long with bottom cap cemented on.� The top of the cell has a 4 inch female thread adapter cemented on to provide access to the interior via a male threaded plug which has the gas outlet port and two electrolyte fill ports to provide for replacement of lost electrolyte on the fly for continuos operation.� Positive and negative terminals are provided for external connection of the power supply leads to the internal anode- cathode stack.

��� The cell plate stack consist of 8 anode plates and 8 cathode plates of the following sizes constructed from 316L stainless steel of 22 ga. thickness.

4 ea.� 3� X 3� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.75�plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.5�plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2.25� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 2� plates,� 2 ea. 3� X 1.75� plates, and� 2 ea. 3� X 1.5� plates.� The plates are drilled and stacked with alternating anode and cathode plates spaced 1/8� apart which makes a cylindrical shaped array which fits nicely inside of the 4� ID PVC� cell container.� Electrical leads are braided copper of #10 size which are covered by shrink tubing to cover conductive surface as they pass through the electrolyte to the cell terminal bolts.� All electrical surfaces other than the anode and cathode plates are carefully covered with PVC cement to prevent deterioration from electrolyte contact.��� Please note that if allowed to come into contact with �charged� surfaces monatomic hydrogen and monatonic oxygen will imediately form into their usual occuring state as diatomic H2 and O2 molecules.

��� The electrolyte originally used was Potassium Carbonate and distilled water mixed to provide a cell current of� 20 amps @ 5 volts DC.� Please don�t get excited by saying that 1.7 volts is the ideal voltage for electrolysis for this is not intended to be a normal cell operation from the get-go if you get my �drift�.�� The electrolyte that was substituted after two weeks of successful cell operation is a product called Body Booster which can be bought from most health food outlets and is produced by� The Rockland Corporation, Tulsa, OK 74136� 1 (800) 421-7310.�� This product contains 77 colloidal minerals which are plant derived from humic shale which is mined in Emery County, Utah.� Hal Fox said he was very familiar with this famous deposit of shale from a prehistoric forest dating back 70 million years.�� I used 500 ml. of the selected electrolyte mixed with 500ml. of distilled water which gave me a starting cell current of 30 amps @ 5 Volts DC input.�� The power supply selected to drive this electrolysis cell is a switching type that has an output of 5 Volts DC with a current capability of 120 amps.

�

��� Recombination burn of the monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen give the proper heat signatures which enable you to determine whether you are generating H2 and O2 gas which is diatomic� or the desired monatomic gases.� Everyone experimenting with the famous �brown�s gas� knows that only monatomic gas will provide the high temperatures necessary to sublimate a tungsten wire.

�

Cell Set Up

�

��� With the cell set up and ready for operation a safety bubblier must be used between the gas generator cell and the burner orifice to prevent possible flash back implosion in the generator proper.� The burner nozzle used was hand drawn from quartz tubing� and was fitted inside a Pyrex cryogenic condenser unit which is cooled to about 40 degrees F. with circulating chilled water.� After power is supplied to cell and stable gas flow is established through bubblier the burn jet is lit off and inserted into the sealed condenser unit so that there is no outside air contaminates to deal with.� Since the burn of this ideal ratio gas is implosive when reforming into water the unit can be run in a totally closed and sealed system.�� Cell voltage , current and temperature is monitored by attached instrumentation.� A cell this size will generate 50ml. of reformed water during a 6 hour run with the cell temperature stabilizing around 120 degrees F.

�

Test Results

�

���� As stated before, after an hour of running time with the new electrolyte the temperature and cell current made a drastic increase caused by the shorting out of the cell plate stack from mineral sludge build up.�� After ten (10) runs recycling the same decanted electrolyte back into the cell the following� solid residue data was recorded after careful filtering, drying and weighing.

�

Run # 1�� 8.04 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 2�� 7.98 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 3� 10.45 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 4� 10.71 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 5� 11.69 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 6��� 7.34 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 7��� 8.10 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 8��� 5.73 gm. dry solid weight

Run # 9��� 6.35 gm. dry solid weight

Run #10�� 3.96 gm. dry solid weight

_____________________________

Total wt. 80.35 gm. dry solid weight

�

�

�

�

�

�� A sample 500ml. quantity of the original electrolyte selected was vacuum distilled down, filtered and dried to determine the actual mineral content of the electrolyte with a resulting weight of� 5.8 gm.��� The label on the bottle state that the mineral content of 500 ml. is 19 gm.�� Since there is a glaring discrepancy between the starting electrolyte mineral content and the solid residue yield we carefully weighed all components of the cell and found that the cell anode and cathode plates had lost a total of� 34.79 gm of their original total weight of 464.28 gm.� A quantity of 500 ml. of the beginning electrolyte weighs exactly 527.4 gm.� After 10 runs the 500ml. quantity of the electrolyte weighs 523.9 gm which means that there is a density loss of only 3.5 gm. from a beginning (actual) mineral content of 5.8 gm.� After subtracting all factors we still have an excess mass of 45.56 gm. of material.�� Since this cell had been run for two weeks using the potassium carbonate as an electrolyte before the switch to the new electrolyte we could not determine the extent of plate material loss that had occurred during this first period of operation.������������������������������������������������������

�

Test Results (New Cell)

�

�� The solution was to build a complete new cell with all new parts and hardware. Everything was carefully weighed and documented before a new series of runs were conducted.� The following data is from fifteen (15) consecutive runs with the electrolyte being recycled back into the cell after extracting the solid residue.

�

Run #�� 1��� 2.84 gm dry solid weight

Run #�� 2��� 4.16 gm dry solid weight

Run #�� 3��� 4.19 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 4��� 4.00 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 5��� 5.96 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 6��� 2.83 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 7��� 3.80 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 8��� 4.95 gm. dry solid weight

Run #�� 9��� 6.18 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 10�� 5.56 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 11�� 4.33 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 12�� 4.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 13�� 3.66 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 14�� 4.52 gm. dry solid weight

Run #� 15�� 6.57 gm. dry solid weight

______________________________

Total wt.�� 68.21 gm. dry solid weight

�

��� When you analyze the weight data from the runs the question arises as to why there is such deviations in yield between the runs.� This can be answered from a visual examination of the dried and crushed residue. There is a distinct difference in color and texture from one run to the other with the beginning runs being a dark brownish hard residue� changing to a lighter brown soft clay like residue at the end of the run with an increase in volume toward the end of the series.�������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������

�

��� The electrolyte starts as a light yellow brown color� and ends as a darker more brownish yellow fluid which appears to have more dissolved minerals present than at the beginning.�

The next step was to disassemble the cell components and carefully weigh and document any and all losses which may contribute to the observed mass gain.�� After this task was completed we found a total loss of mass from the cell plates of 34.44 gm.�� This leaves us with an unaccounted for mass gain of 33.77 gm. derived from a starting volume of electrolyte that contains only 5.8 gm. determined by vacuum distillation of the actual beginning electrolyte (500 ml.).�� Two samples of the recovered material has been sent to separate labs for analysis to determine composition.�� This will present a problem since the produced minerals seem to change in composition and color with each run made.� It may be necessary to run an analysis on each and every run product to determine exact minerals being produced and in what quantities.�� Keep in mind that the electrolyte is far from being spent or stripped of dissolved minerals.�� I stopped the process at 15 runs so I could write this report of findings.� I will keep everyone informed as to future progress.� In the mean time I would invite anyone interested to replicate this experiment since it is so simple to set up.

�

�

CC: Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC: Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

�

�

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

On 2/6/2019 7:35 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Norman

��� Thanks for clarifying this. I nearly ordered this, as my search only referred to these products

https://saferemedies.com/product/vitamins-minerals/xxl-colloidal-minerals/

You once mentioned you would like to play with some powdered mags to see its flow ability (8 micron maybe?) I can only assume.
Some one suggested it would most likely clump. But not if the right stabilizer s� can be employed .
I will post some thing to you I have been working on but will need a little more time.

I accidentally came across this� product, only mentioning it because I think we will need a substrate then additives to charge and discharge
when considering a flow battery.

https://www.americanelements.com/selenium-77-isotope-14681-72-2

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=flow+battery+

I sat in on 29 lectures of the 35� Donald Sadoway gave at MIT��� concerning his flow battery.

This re-inspired my interests , probably worth for all for entertainment as I hope to actually take this some wheres soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQ9a_xIqRg


This is his TED talk for his conclusion, how ever I think we can piggy back for a period.

https://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy?language=en


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Sent: February 6, 2019 7:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

The electrolyte was Body Booster, sole in Health Food Stores, Origin is Humic Shale. See: https://thesoulofahorse.com/take-charge-of-your-life/youngevitys-humic-shale-mine-in-utah/�� 77 minerals for the replication atomic templates.

On 2/6/2019 12:10 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Mick,
� Where does Norm refer to humic acid?
Its probably right in front of me !

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Sent: January 22, 2019 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart, use the 77 colloidal elements in your cell, a lot of atomic templates!� See: Elemental Replication.

16 October 1996

To: Hal Fox,� Fusion Facts

Elemental Replication ?

�

����� Around mid September I put together an electrolysis cell similar to the Miles Nickel Cold Fusion Cell with the goal of exploring the possibilities of making what is termed �Pristine Water�.�� This water which will be used by Homeopaths will have had all memory or information removed.� This is accomplished by recombining monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen as generated in a properly designed cell.� This is the ultimate in purity since this is water with conditions at the time of original creation.� �Wholy Water�is a term coined by my dear freind and fellow researcher Joe Tyls of Vancouver, BC.�� After several weeks of successful operation producing water that had all the earmarks of a true �pristine water� a fellow researcher suggested using an alternate electrolyte.�� A solution was selected that contained 77 colloidal minerals as found in plants that are the easiest assimilated into the body.�� With the electrolyte changed the cell was put back into operation as before with a nice recombination burn and production of the sought after �pristine water�.������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������� �������

��� After about an hour of operation the cell went absolutely �nuts� with the temperature rapidly climbing to boiling point and the current out of sight.� When the cell was opened we found a deep red sludge deposit which shorted the cell plates.�� Our first thought was that the electrolytic action precipitated out the colloidal minerals which caused the deposit found.�� The� electrolyte was allowed to settle out the precipitate.�� After� decanting off,� the clear electrolyte was returned to the cell for another run. Again the cell operated normally for about an hour with a normal recombination burn and recovery of the water being consumed by the cell in the splitting action.�� Again the cell temperature and current mirrored the first run.� Again the cell contained the same amount of sludge residue.�� This process was repeated ten (10) times with exactly the same results.�� All of the sludge was carefully dried and weighed on an electronic scale with a five decimal resolution.��������������������� The cell plates and all hardware were weighed to determine any loss of mass that may contribute to the mass gain observed in the sludge.� Five hundred (500) ml of the original electrolyte solution used in the cell was vacuum distilled to determine the exact mass of colloidal minerals contained.� When all factors were considered we came out with a mass gain of� 48 gm which cannot be explained by conventional electrolysis.����������������������

��� After talking to Dr. Robert Bass and Hal Fox I learned of a patent that has been filed on the transmutation of elements in the cold fusion cell which is the process that Dr. John Bockris has been so active in.�� Both Dr. Bass and Hal Fox stated that what I was observing is not the same as the transmutation observed in the cold fusion cell since I have a overall mass gain and not a lateral movement of elements in the periodic table toward lighter elements with a resulting heat release.� This unusual cell operation has caused quite a reaction in the scientific community. �At this time I have built a complete new cell with every possible factor which could possibly explain the mass gain considered and documented.� The ten (10) consecutive runs on the new cell will be completed soon and a report will be forthcoming.�� What is interesting about this phenomenon is that when an eleventh run was made with the original electrolyte exactly the same amount of residue was recovered as in the previous ten runs.�����������������������������������������������������������������������

�

Since the same electrolyte is reused each time with only distilled water being added to replace the volume lost by the removal of the solids and the water recovered by the recombination burn we are hard pressed to explain the observed phenomenon.���� The electrolyte appears stronger in mineral concentration and shows no sign of depletion.��������������������������������

�� After confering with Joe Tyls we arrived at the conclusion that the 77 colloidal minerals contained in the electrolyte provide the atomic templates needed for the monatomic hydrogen (father of all the elements) to replicate selected elements in this exotic mixture.� If you subscribe to the theories of the late Walter Russell and his explanation of the octave based periodic table with monatonic hydrogen being what he describes as hydrons (precursor to hydrogen) then it is possible for the replication of elements directly from energy input alone.� This is how all matter was created in the beginning as described by Schappeller in �The Physics of the Primary State of Matter�.��� I will keep all informed as to our progress and findings in this very intriguing venture.

�

Norman Wootan

P.O. Box 141049

Dallas, TX 75214

(214) 360-0865

�

�

CC:� Gene Mallove, Infinite Energy

CC:� Dr. John Bockris, Texas A/M

On 1/22/2019 3:16 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Mick,
���������������� Cool....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron� <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyratron>

I remember from a retired electronic engineer� speaking on something like this, what gases are you using?
He said I think there was a standard one available in the 50s and 60s. Triode� maybe ( a stable gain with in, cathode applications ?) , I do not recall the details.
Said they stopped making them but there was a knock off available from Russia.� Whats your application?

The construction on my favorite cell is really nothing special , currently just hammering elements for now looking for reaction times,
in hopes of getting the best values with in a specific time of efforts.
A Fleischmann and Pons � exercise� only a wider variant of elements with increased inputs.
� Symbiotic like values. such as .1�� .01 .001 ,0001 and so on.
�The higher the temp , the higher the exchange rates, the longer� and higher stay of a quick pressures kind of thing.
Hoping to get a combined attachment that can be a standard.
Currently I am out of time on my daily schedule again .
I would how ever like to get some thing to solve the controller aspect.
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Sent: January 22, 2019 9:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

Below are some possible solutions, if I knew more of what you are building I could be more specific.� My current project is undertaking the plasma magnetic field creation but will be utilizing RF pulses of a couple hundred watts from a� switch mode supply.� After preliminary research and configuring output to drive hydrogen thyratrons I may build the design into a half bridge for more control.

How are you varying the stoichiometry of the HHO mix?

For the power levels you are considering electric vehicle controllers look like the answer and are a bit pricey again unless you want to break out the soldering iron.� By the time you build 3 bridges to fire off a lower power controller it's that much more time involved.

Here are two of the EV controller sources:
http://www.fsip.biz/Documents/EVT1000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
https://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1


These guys have some lower power controllers you could add IGBT boards to:
https://www.goldenmotor.com/frame-bldcmotor.htm

https://guide.alibaba.com/guidesearch.html?fsb=y&IndexArea=guide_en&CatId=&SearchText=BLDC+controller

If I was to start from scratch with a chip rather than a microprocessor it would likely be one of these due to high frequency avail
tps40090� controller
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3280891_Automotive_DC-DC_bidirectional_converter_made_with_many_interleaved_buck_stages

http://www.electronics-lab.com/project/mc33035-brushless-motor-driver-breakout-board/

http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00909


On 1/21/2019 12:30 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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Mick,
���������� It was quite the experience! lol
� When they could figure out who would be the officer in charge (because it was three towns responding) said when they heard and felt it they thought it was definitely a meth lab! hahahahaha
Had to think while shaking off the incident as to what� I would tell them. You have to understand I ran it hundreds of times so it became a very entrusted
component that I came to rely on, a stable standard . When it went off it was only 2ft from me. I told them I was trying to develop helium 5. lol
They of course did not believe me, but they settled as most of would not really know anything. Over the next couple of days they came back in groups of two and four several times asking again. I told them I was busy. Then they asked if I would do a small seminar so they could be prepared. I said sure , but was always busy.
They eventually settled down over all. In the next few weeks to months some weird things happened with an f16 . They were doing maneuvering exercises locally.
� Then on one afternoon my son and I were out front doing some yard� maintenance and I heard this unusual thrust sound.
Yep this guy came down and practically buzzed the tree line pulling off green leaves from the trees like a cloud of green behind him, he came in so low I could almost read his name on his helmet.
My boy ran behind the tree crying and asking me whats happening. I told him they are just keeping security. He then did it again!! , looped, this time not so low.
I think really just to cover his butt back at base. There is a ceiling restriction . I was going to go investigate but thought again on it.
Then the drones started lol. Whoommmmmm� ha� ha ha. The neighbors started to complain . I think really my house became a usual path for the drones as
Canada had just okayed the allowance for 150 mile surveillance in from the border. I really did set off the seismic graph so they told me. hahahaha
So we got in the habit of holding up our Tim Horton coffee cup! hahaha� Fun times!!!

Ok on the implosion!�� Yes tried to find different ones available but with no luck.
Rafael Morgado was to send a small version of his myt . Waited for several years but it never materialized.
Mazda head office was to send in some motors and parts , but it was when they were shutting down, so they got worried about themselves instead of thinking forward.
So I decided to go with a bench build of an old single rotor snowmobile motor, oddly I can not recall the brand just now.
But I set it up with some mods of an alternator 300amp @ 5 to 1� ratio from the crank.I want to see what� stoichiometry I am running with.
CFM is high but thinking I can loop most.
Hoping the work force per base does enough work required for the timely values.
Probably not good but I am hoping to change it up on the fly as needed.
I purchased an old 05 rx8 yanked the motor and am now waiting on the 3 thou over sized ceramic racing kit for it.
Mick I do need something here maybe you can help source it if you would. I need a controller , now days I am told you can get high amp.
So if its Christmas I would like to dial 0- 1200 amp 12 to 72 vdc� preferably one with a variant like ability ,one where I can tap up and down on the lab top.
In my day I probably could solder and glue some thing up but now a day no way.
Money is tight as I feeding to many generosities . Really need to get back on the making money thing again.
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Sent: January 20, 2019 7:28 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Szorenyi Rotary Engine Design
�
�

Bart,

I love Wankels, learned to rebuild them when I was 16 out of necessity after my rx3 car seized.� That is an interesting rotary engine with the pivot rotors however there is a way to get compression without the eccentric shaft by adding an external compressor like in a turbine, this could be dial a compression ratio based on fuel type.� The Wankel is a no brainer for a diesel, not sure why this has not yet emerged as it would run cool enough to poss not have the fuel quenching issue.� The main issue with the Mazda's is the area of the combustion chamber with the cooling galleys running across it.� This causes a large thermal differential, quenching the raw fuel that gets ejected out the tailpipe.� Seems the rotary could be easily adapted to an implosion engine!

What did you find experimenting with HHO and the possibility of building an implosion engine?

Some serious lab issues...� DAMN... sorry to hear this.� Glad you did not get hurt or warehoused for blowing up Canada.�


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