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Hi Mick
I don't see the recycling of "shorted" coils in schematic Hector put up. 
Can you re-describe from oanother angle?
Is the short the brush on left creates law  it bridges adjacent commutaor segments? I don't know....usually takes me a year at least to indersstand Hector and when I finally do " get it" it is  simple...
Kone

so how do we figure those schematics out.

Kone,

Yes the left brush bridges while the right is normal, at least if I read
the schematic properly it looks like it shorts the winding.  It also
looks as if the phase is off either 90 or 180 via this brush too so
again unless I am totally misinterpreting each shorted coil becomes a
momentary subjective rf antenna per Hectors current phase rule.  If the
idea is to get the N spike it seems the winding would require shorting
to saturate the core from passing a magnet as the rest of the design
raises impedance so its like a low impedance to high pump also. 
Actually pretty fricken genuis if I am not pissing in the wind.

On 1/25/2019 2:31 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> I don't see the recycling of "shorted" coils in schematic Hector put up.
> Can you re-describe from oanother angle?
> Is the short the brush on left creates law it bridges adjacent
> commutaor segments? I don't know....usually takes me a year at least
> to indersstand Hector and when I finally do " get it" it is simple...
> Kone
>
>

Hi Curt
DELTA is to string the individual phases in series, WYE is to have them all connect in common end so lets say 3 phases in motor;
A TO B  PH1
C TO D   PH2
E TO F.   PH3
WYE:
Input wire to A
Another input wire to C
Another input wire to E
Outs of B,D,G all connect together
Rotovertor type of wiring is WYE
But power input goes to only A and C
While capacitor bridges from C to E
This might.help a little bit to understand Hector better...2nd brushes to capture backemf recoil another subject...
Kone

Thanks Kone. Starting to make some sense now. Resembles the lockridge motor generator that I have been working on for a few years. Havent been able to pick up the back spike on it yet. Its there but cant collect it.

Kone,

I guess the man H just explained it, yes that is what I meant by the
passing magnet to short one coil pole dumps enough flux to saturate the
core as its a low impedance current shunt, as normally a motor is not
designed to saturate like a magneto core but by shorting a single pole
this is the idea.  OK glad I was onto what Hector meant and not spinning
out.  This is a design to derive power from Norms Neutral Spike in a way
that will be more kind as long as the diodes hold out.  Depending on the
motor and the magnets would likely limit the poss speed prior to the rf
energy arcing across the commutator segments.

On 1/25/2019 2:31 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> I don't see the recycling of "shorted" coils in schematic Hector put up.
> Can you re-describe from oanother angle?
> Is the short the brush on left creates law it bridges adjacent
> commutaor segments? I don't know....usually takes me a year at least
> to indersstand Hector and when I finally do " get it" it is simple...
> Kone
>
>

Your quote, feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking 
and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !       
Yeeeeeeaaaaah!  Hector my friend, you got it exactly right. In all my 
experience with old time magnetos, this is exactly how the conderser 
discharge through the primary windings happens with reverse polarity.  
Bang, you get a sharp crack spark discharge in the bright blue wave 
lengths.  Not a measily  orange spark without any zip to it.  The 5HP 
compressor, EMP test I did works this way.

On 1/25/2019 6:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at zero 
> upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage becomes 
> leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF neutral spike 
> dynamics !
>
> feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you have 
> a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !
>
> (H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Mick
> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
> Did you mean:
> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
> I don't know something else?
> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an antenna?
> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
> Kone
>

Mick, first envision a North-South magnetic poles embedded in flywheel. 
When the North-South magnets bridge the first two poles of the stator 
(rotation) a forward going current is induced into iron core coil and at 
same time charges up condenser to max. Important note here is that the 
impedance of coil is LC matched to the value of the condenser.   When 
the North-South magnets move over to the middle and last poles, breaker 
points open and at same time a reverse current is being induced into the 
iron core coil with the reverse polarity, the condenser discharges 
through coil windings to frame ground. With the condenser being charged 
via the forward going current, 1st step, when it discharges into coil a 
reverse current is being induced by moving magnets. In effect you have 
opposing currents, opposite polarity, (BUCKING-OPPOSED) which cause a 
miniature magnetic flux annihilation event and a MAGNETO-ELECTRIC, micro 
EMP event. That is the reason the old magnetos had such a powerful spark 
even when you turned them by hand at super low RPM.    I worked on 
thousands of them on my magneto test bench.  Norm

On 1/25/2019 9:20 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> So this is the same effect from the 3 pole magneto you showed us, when 
> the cap discharges during the collapsing flyback pulse and compresses 
> the delta?
>
> Were three poles used in parallel in order to make sure the iron was 
> fully saturated even at low speed in the old magneto?
>
> On 1/25/2019 9:35 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Your quote, feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking 
>> and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !       
>> Yeeeeeeaaaaah! Hector my friend, you got it exactly right. In all my 
>> experience with old time magnetos, this is exactly how the conderser 
>> discharge through the primary windings happens with reverse 
>> polarity.  Bang, you get a sharp crack spark discharge in the bright 
>> blue wave lengths.  Not a measily  orange spark without any zip to 
>> it.  The 5HP compressor, EMP test I did works this way.
>>
>> On 1/25/2019 6:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at 
>>> zero upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage 
>>> becomes leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF 
>>> neutral spike dynamics !
>>>
>>> feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you 
>>> have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !
>>>
>>> (H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity ,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Hi Mick
>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
>>> Did you mean:
>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
>>> I don't know something else?
>>> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an 
>>> antenna?
>>> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
>>> Kone
>

Norm,

So this is the same effect from the 3 pole magneto you showed us, when
the cap discharges during the collapsing flyback pulse and compresses
the delta?

Were three poles used in parallel in order to make sure the iron was
fully saturated even at low speed in the old magneto?

On 1/25/2019 9:35 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Your quote, feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking
> and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !      
> Yeeeeeeaaaaah!  Hector my friend, you got it exactly right. In all my
> experience with old time magnetos, this is exactly how the conderser
> discharge through the primary windings happens with reverse polarity. 
> Bang, you get a sharp crack spark discharge in the bright blue wave
> lengths.  Not a measily  orange spark without any zip to it.  The 5HP
> compressor, EMP test I did works this way.
>
> On 1/25/2019 6:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at zero
>> upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage becomes
>> leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF neutral
>> spike dynamics !
>>
>> feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you
>> have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands ! 
>>
>> (H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>
>> Hi Mick
>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
>> Did you mean:
>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
>> I don't know something else?
>> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an
>> antenna?
>> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
>> Kone
>

Mick, for some reason you are trying to mix apples with the oranges.  Do 
not equate this magneto to the WYE transformer coils (three).  The 
magneto only had one coil with a primary and a secondary windings.

On 1/25/2019 10:24 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Thanks Norm,
>
> Very interesting, you explained a lot here.  Do you recall, if the 
> three coils all wound in the same direction and how are they connected 
> series or parallel or first two parallel then third series?
>
> Would be cool to see a schematic of the inside...
>
> I imagine if the RPM is just right when the magnet is in the right 
> place as the LC tank cancels the power multiplication is enormous.  If 
> the points were adjusted wrong timing wise did they sometimes vaporize?
>
> I was not aware the old design was so cutting edge now that we are on 
> to solar flare dynamo theory.  It seems more and more in order to go 
> forward we must first look far back.
>
>
> On 1/25/2019 10:43 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Mick, first envision a North-South magnetic poles embedded in 
>> flywheel. When the North-South magnets bridge the first two poles of 
>> the stator (rotation) a forward going current is induced into iron 
>> core coil and at same time charges up condenser to max. Important 
>> note here is that the impedance of coil is LC matched to the value of 
>> the condenser.   When the North-South magnets move over to the middle 
>> and last poles, breaker points open and at same time a reverse 
>> current is being induced into the iron core coil with the reverse 
>> polarity, the condenser discharges through coil windings to frame 
>> ground. With the condenser being charged via the forward going 
>> current, 1st step, when it discharges into coil a reverse current is 
>> being induced by moving magnets. In effect you have opposing 
>> currents, opposite polarity, (BUCKING-OPPOSED)  which cause a 
>> miniature magnetic flux annihilation event and a MAGNETO-ELECTRIC, 
>> micro EMP event. That is the reason the old magnetos had such a 
>> powerful spark even when you turned them by hand at super low RPM.    
>> I worked on thousands of them on my magneto test bench.  Norm
>>
>> On 1/25/2019 9:20 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> So this is the same effect from the 3 pole magneto you showed us, 
>>> when the cap discharges during the collapsing flyback pulse and 
>>> compresses the delta?
>>>
>>> Were three poles used in parallel in order to make sure the iron was 
>>> fully saturated even at low speed in the old magneto?
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2019 9:35 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your quote, feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal 
>>>> peaking and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands 
>>>> !       Yeeeeeeaaaaah!  Hector my friend, you got it exactly right. 
>>>> In all my experience with old time magnetos, this is exactly how 
>>>> the conderser discharge through the primary windings happens with 
>>>> reverse polarity.  Bang, you get a sharp crack spark discharge in 
>>>> the bright blue wave lengths.  Not a measily orange spark without 
>>>> any zip to it.  The 5HP compressor, EMP test I did works this way.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/2019 6:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at 
>>>>> zero upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage 
>>>>> becomes leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF 
>>>>> neutral spike dynamics !
>>>>>
>>>>> feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you 
>>>>> have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !
>>>>>
>>>>> (H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for 
>>>>> simplicity ,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mick
>>>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
>>>>> Did you mean:
>>>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
>>>>> I don't know something else?
>>>>> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an 
>>>>> antenna?
>>>>> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
>>>>> Kone
>

Your quote.  "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a 
magnet"  Kone and Mick, when the passing magnets are inducing a forward 
current in the coil primary it is a shorted loop through the breaker 
point being closed. which saturates the core. When the Breaker points 
open, it leaves the condenser in series with saturated coil with a 
reverse polarity current opposed to the reverse induction of the magnets 
moving past pole two and three.  The open circuit and opposite charges 
cancel the magnetic flux resulting in the Magneto-electric pulse.

On 1/25/2019 5:55 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick
> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
> Did you mean:
> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
> I don't know something else?
> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an antenna?
> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
> Kone
>
>

Thanks Norm,

Very interesting, you explained a lot here.  Do you recall, if the three
coils all wound in the same direction and how are they connected series
or parallel or first two parallel then third series? 

Would be cool to see a schematic of the inside...

I imagine if the RPM is just right when the magnet is in the right place
as the LC tank cancels the power multiplication is enormous.  If the
points were adjusted wrong timing wise did they sometimes vaporize?

I was not aware the old design was so cutting edge now that we are on to
solar flare dynamo theory.  It seems more and more in order to go
forward we must first look far back.


On 1/25/2019 10:43 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick, first envision a North-South magnetic poles embedded in
> flywheel. When the North-South magnets bridge the first two poles of
> the stator (rotation) a forward going current is induced into iron
> core coil and at same time charges up condenser to max. Important note
> here is that the impedance of coil is LC matched to the value of the
> condenser.   When the North-South magnets move over to the middle and
> last poles, breaker points open and at same time a reverse current is
> being induced into the iron core coil with the reverse polarity, the
> condenser discharges through coil windings to frame ground. With the
> condenser being charged via the forward going current, 1st step, when
> it discharges into coil a reverse current is being induced by moving
> magnets. In effect you have opposing currents, opposite polarity,
> (BUCKING-OPPOSED)  which cause a miniature magnetic flux annihilation
> event and a MAGNETO-ELECTRIC, micro EMP event. That is the reason the
> old magnetos had such a powerful spark even when you turned them by
> hand at super low RPM.    I worked on thousands of them on my magneto
> test bench.  Norm
>
> On 1/25/2019 9:20 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> So this is the same effect from the 3 pole magneto you showed us,
>> when the cap discharges during the collapsing flyback pulse and
>> compresses the delta?
>>
>> Were three poles used in parallel in order to make sure the iron was
>> fully saturated even at low speed in the old magneto?
>>
>> On 1/25/2019 9:35 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Your quote, feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal
>>> peaking and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands
>>> !       Yeeeeeeaaaaah!  Hector my friend, you got it exactly right.
>>> In all my experience with old time magnetos, this is exactly how the
>>> conderser discharge through the primary windings happens with
>>> reverse polarity.  Bang, you get a sharp crack spark discharge in
>>> the bright blue wave lengths.  Not a measily  orange spark without
>>> any zip to it.  The 5HP compressor, EMP test I did works this way.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2019 6:35 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at
>>>> zero upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage
>>>> becomes leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF
>>>> neutral spike dynamics !
>>>>
>>>> feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you
>>>> have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands ! 
>>>>
>>>> (H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mick
>>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
>>>> Did you mean:
>>>> "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
>>>> I don't know something else?
>>>> Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an
>>>> antenna?
>>>> Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
>>>> Kone
>

Hi Mick
"would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
Did you mean:
 "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
I don't know something else?
Also wouldn't a shorted coil become  rf transmitter not so much an antenna?
Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
Kone

A brush pair to exite  a brush pair to temporary short and a brush pair to collect the spike !  or any other combination or use a third brush in zig zag to main brushes to collect spike ! . many things possible even its use as a dynamotor converter  .... nope! i did not post kones methods , he had posted it a million times , just read his papers and Normans neutral spike postings and adapt to schematic i provided its not the first time i post this "segmented" now its a full winding diagram of a 9 pole DC PM WYE motor rotor .... 3 phase x 3 

any dc motor can be turned to an experimental OU producing engine and can be run in hi impedance RV mode as a PM RV  all kones brush adaptations and methods can be used in it 

reread also my postings on the outrunner and the WYE connections as a generator to 40 phase bridge and avoid going back to milliwatt bullshit toys , you have RV to run this mother to several horsepower use all methods including creating shorted spike streams ...

just stop playing with Eric Nickel dime quarter quarter dime dime quarter (Dollar ) copycat bullshit! 

stop falling again to the look easy distracting fancy bullshit out there and work with simple off the shelf stuff! 

you have a Kone motor , a Newman motor a Bedini motor and an EV Gray motor all in one if you only rewire a DC motor rotor from DELTA to WYE  and Normans neutral Spike generator all in one ! 

 

(H) 





 
 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick
 I don't see the recycling of "shorted" coils in schematic Hector put up. 
 Can you re-describe from oanother angle?
 Is the short the brush on left creates law it bridges adjacent commutaor segments? I don't know....usually takes me a year at least to indersstand Hector and when I finally do " get it" it is simple...
 Kone

If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at zero upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage becomes leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF neutral spike dynamics !

feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !  

(H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity , 


 

 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick
 "would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
 Did you mean:
 "would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
 I don't know something else?
 Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an antenna?
 Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
 Kone

HectorThe Acadia gas engine Works in Bridgewater, Nova Scotia, made a two stroke dory engine, for over seventy- five years, that had the mechanical switch for a large solenoid coil, located right inside the combustion chamber.The actual contact points of this switch were made from a four inch common nail, sawn down, and riveted in place in a little hammer and anvil arrangement, that was driven, and tripped, by an external cam off the flywheel.The entire electrical circuit is powered by a single carbon zinc square 6 volt lantern battery, that lasted an entire commercial fishing season.Wait a second! A dead short, through a solenoid coil, then opening, causing a big, hot, spark, inside the combustion chamber of the cylinder using a weenie low 6 volt voltage wire from outside?Imagine being on the Grand Banks, being periodically swept with freezing salt spray, and the engine reliably going chunka, chunka, never missing a beat, the only thing between you, and the storm swept, open, grey North Atlantic.The fishermen kept buying these engines for 75 years.The coil could even be home made.It is a simple form of the Bedini coil, only a single strand of solenoid wound wire, wrapped around a bundle of soft iron wire, with a pine wood disc at each end to make the spool. A layer of sailor's marline whipping ties all the wire together before the copper wire went on.On the earlier versions, the bare copper wire was wound with oakum, or hemp, twisted around the copper, perhaps on a spinning wheel. The whole arrangement was then placed in a vat of linseed oil, allowing it to soak completely in, saturating every space.I was able to see these home spun works of art, visiting fishing chanties, in Newfoundland, in the Seventies.So, power the coil with 6 volts DC, and, at the switch contacts, when you open the circuit, there is a big, hot spark.There is that spark again!Don Smith, Kapanadze, Nauden, Zilano, and also our Hector, and Doug Kone messing about with sparks, and arcs!Can they be our little window to Quantum physics energy production?Cjeers Warren
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  On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 7:38 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
If you short a coil current becomes maximal voltage stays lag at zero upon max core saturation , then at short cut off ,voltage becomes leading and maximal as current drop to zero ... basic RF neutral spike dynamics !

feed it a reverse potential as voltage is maximal peaking and you have a mother of an EMP neutral spike on your hands !  

(H)   other methods are applicable ,,, rotary is best for simplicity , 


 




---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

Hi Mick
"would require shorting to saturate the core from passing a magnet"
Did you mean:
"would require shorting to saturate the core from a passing magnet" ?
I don't know something else?
Also wouldn't a shorted coil become rf transmitter not so much an antenna?
Anyways still confused but just half way confused now..
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