Neutral spike

Ron,

I think those motors may have magnetic braking to reverse all day like that.

On 11/23/2018 8:14 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Norman and all,
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> Yet DC motors are built to handle constant reversal...
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk
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> The machine I ran only had a 20 foot table but it would run like this
> all day.
>
> Ron
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>

Exactly Ole,  else there would be no brushes left or FET's

On 11/23/2018 9:07 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hi Ron,
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> If setting the video speed at slowest level it looks like a gradual
> speed down to a halt and then speeding up again in the opposite
> direction. It doesn't look like hard bouncing off a wall without a
> pause. Of course there is still a lot of mass to decelerate. The motor
> may just be shorted to dissipate the energy before making the
> reversal. This equals the back EMF (i.e. the generating voltage) which
> is the supply voltage minus the small motoring part of the voltage. A
> full reversal is huge compared to that.
>
> Regards
> Ole
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>
>
> ---In [email protected], <iron1of1@...> wrote :
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> Hi Norman and all,
>
> Yet DC motors are built to handle constant reversal...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk
>
> The machine I ran only had a 20 foot table but it would run like this
> all day.
>
> Ron
>
>

NormanHaving a ton of RV motors can't be a bad thing unless you have to move.Three phase motors used to be
useless pieces of junk to me for decades, until I needed one to experiment with doing Hector's RV.One could have them at scrap yards for pennies a pound, as no contractors had three phase in their little shops. Only factory stuff used three phase.Then all of a sudden China would buy all, at good prices, ASAP You can't find them as easily now as in the eighties.Those switches arcing need perhaps to be liquid mercury, or something? Curious.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 9:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Ole & Warren, I did extensive testing on the GUNNING PRINCIPLE which Hector and I discussed here on the forum back several years ago. For me it started with the Ferroresonance phenomenon which I had envisioned a way to purposely bypass all the mitigating steps to prevent the phenomenon to setting up a circuit to exploit the Ferroresonant event and figure out a way to capture energy.  Thus my folder on EVGRAY TWO, Ferroresonance Capture.  In the ferroresonant phenomenon, unbalanced conditions trip the circuit into self targeting resonant conditions (non linear) which causes voltages to be multiplied by 10X and currents likewise.  As warren said, make it happen in a sustained mode and siphon off and use this energy.  Problem here is mains are supplying the energy which gets around safety breakers and disconnects. Pick up any 20amp thermo-magnetic breaker and see on the side of it that the instantaneous rating is 10KA (10,000 amps).    My experiments with the big 5HP setup  was to take the line supply out of the conserved energy equation and get the amplified Neutral Spike (EMP).  My small ceiling fan experiments were done with 18ga. zip cord line input with all wiring, (hook up) over 18 ga. wire. Motor windings, both run and shading windings were 22 ga. magnet wire. The last destructive test, totally exploded a reversing contactor that by parallel wiring of contacts gave a 120 amp capability. the contator was totally  destroyed. I still think that all of this goes back to the Anti-parallel magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect phenomenon which produces an EMP event just the same as I experienced in all my test.  Thanks Ole for your excellent document on the reversal GUNNING charts.   From my experiments, I do not accept this conventional explanation as the bottom line.  Sorry, for there is more to the story.  Additional notes here in the area of big RV experimentation, I sold my 40 HP Marathon RV to Luther down in Houston after experiencing magnetic lockup when clip leading in different cap values.  Highly dangerous with such high rotating mass.
 

 I literally had a TON of RV 3 phase motors to play with.
  
  On 11/22/2018 11:40 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Ole
 That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing! Can a machine be devised to exploit this current? Let us consider how to conceive a motor that gets to speed, and then reverses, capturing all that current, then runs the other direction to hit full speed, then reverses. Somehow, I am sure someone must have tried this, faced with some motor drive of something. I had to build a full sized aluminium man who could break dance to music for an artist. I was supplied the servos by the artist who was an early pioneer of machine programming, and had matched his very expensive, at that time, permanent magnet chopper driven servos, to his prototype driver boards. I looked at the weenie shafts, and said "no way can these handle the torque, splined or not" Sure enough they didn't even lift the honey comb aluminium arm, the motor shearing off its own shaft, with tremendous torque, that that little motor in chopper mode produced. I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of. 20 times the current indeed! Lets take it and use it. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:55 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
I just found an article about stopping a motor by reversing it while running. It's called plugging. Below are two figures from the article where one is showing the speed and braking torque and the other one is shoving the current. Here is the article: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/. Look at the currents. The switch contact points have to carry perhaps 20 times the running current. If they don't have low resistance they're welded or vaporized as the dissipated power is proportional to  the current squared. Thus if the current is 20 times greater than normal the power dissipation is 400 times greater than normal. If the contacts bounce the formed plasma may dissipate even more power as the resistance becomes greater while the current stays the same.
 
 
  Regards
 Ole
  
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
 
   Norm, 
  Very good info about the EMP.  I've had quite a few experiences with it over the years. The last one was with a refrigeration unit being installed by other contractors in a supermarket food store and it blew  up the lightning protection unit in the main Switchboard.  We got the blame and we could not convince the owner otherwise and he didn't want to pay for our work of installing the lightning protection unit. Most times it has happened in my  experiences has been associated with refrigeration and air conditioning systems.  I did see something unusual with large motors in an off mode turning backwards in a brick-works when the metal detector stopped the motors of the feeding conveyors into the pan mixer. You do  see some weird things sometimes and you go away scratching your head. 
  George
  
      
 On Wednesday, 21 November 2018, 3:21:33 am AEDT, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
  
  
          
Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack of understanding the whole project.   First you have to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan, 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole  motor problem. A wiring error by a Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing  switch into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was a Magneto-Electric  effect or better put, Magnetic flux annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always been taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly see by simple  experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984. A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and  I had installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and told me to sit there and wait  a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went  back up.  Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching via wall switch could  reverse operation, either up or down against limit switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you  understand how they operate:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be      When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon occurred again. Sure enough the  screen and projector descended half way down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG , super fast acceleration up  to a speed about 10X design speed but one big problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded  pole motor) would take off spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the  neutral buss.   Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor windings and sudden fantastic  acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the  mains breakers and house wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel. All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing  unit. in addition to the older 5 ton unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland  Park Code) 10 ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start against a locked rotor  condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP shot which you could feel the brissance in the  ground took about 1/2 second.  This was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss to carry this very unusual form of  energy.  The A/C guys came out and replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a better  understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to fully understand nor appreciate the  implications.   By studing the ongoing research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar  magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984  at the Sharp residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting, I had many compressors at my  disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and pinching off the suction and discharge lines you  have a fully locked up sealed unit See: 
 
 
This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, both the start and run windings are energized.  When the Over current relay senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation)  the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUXANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is something anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself.  The reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to replicate. Most  current available reversible fans utilize the electrical capacitor relocation via toggle switch  to reverse rotation.  All you have to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary loss of  ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in transit. Reverse it several times and you will  explode switch!   Now Mick, what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be destroyed but it can change forms.
 
 

  On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm,
 
So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or seized  bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool equipment with GFI but  rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat pump or AC unit and 10  feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.  At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
 
Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side... coupling to  earth would still be at the transformer to center tap neutral back at  the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the service.  Since it is on the sink side of the transformer from the utility  there is a direct path to ground through a certainimpedance,reactance and reluctance whatever importance  that plays into the event.
 
 On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative to  stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 3  conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and  chasis frame. In addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into  earth ground to bond this outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84 amps) drops out starter  contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged capacitors in  the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due to insulation in the motor  windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here and say there is capacitive coupling  between motor frame and isolated capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on this phenomenon after I saw it  in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by just  changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to  float neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
 
 On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm,
 
How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap from  energizing?
 
When you experimented with the energy from this motor where  did you extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the service panel or another grounding rod and from the  motor frame where the ground bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?  
 
 
Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink  side from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned earlier there was no neutral and on the source  side by the center tap in the pole pig?
 
Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we  discussed earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate  the core and release, or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going on here, head on backwards.
 
 
So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC  hmmm...
 
Thanks,
 
Mick
 

 
 On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for counter emf to be  generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the current  through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My  dual winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined  current draw of 84 amps @ 230VAC input. When you look at  the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic flux build to saturation at  which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air value) with R  being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a  value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current  limiting relay drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor  windings have to be isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is earth bonded. Cancellation  of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
 
 On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also  known as stalled rotor.
 
 Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s) of the  stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then  working neither as motor or generator.
 
 Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating  field speed.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Norm,
 
I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is in  error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the rotational  field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am reading now it is most amount of slip.
 
Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional  information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted definition?
 
Thanks,
 
Mick
 
 On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
  
    
Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor experiments  and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free motor / generator combination which is so easy to  build and proof test! First of all you should read what we know  as facts! See the following articles:
 
https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-motors-and-where-are-they-used/
 
http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
 
https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
 
https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
 
Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at  K&G Magnetics and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free  generator.  What I will propose is very simple application of DC  motor principles as read from the cited references. First you  make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will  give the necessary stroke length to drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ  free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by Hall sensor and  IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is tricked into being in  LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave  output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as applied to  the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.  The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the  tricky part!  We know as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power  to off state as magnetic flux is building toward  saturation there will be a huge voltage spike (Neutral  Spike) which we have to capture and not send to ground as ordinary  practice in solid state switch design (snubber  diodes)  The capture of the SPIKE energy (HV) which occurs naturally will  be the over-unity factor here!  Interesting concept!  Think about it!  Norm    Mick! (accumulator HV caps)!
 
 On 11/16/2018 6:23 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Ole,
 
I have had caps charge much faster in an LC tank than otherwise, but  it could also have to do with noise in the core material  as I was no using an air inductor.
 
 
 On 11/16/2018 1:19 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 "If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected  from the reactive source then discharged to a  resistive load then reconnected energized back to the standing wave modality recharged disconnected discharged  etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?"
 
 Yes that's correct.
 
 Common power factor correction in AC is for eliminating  the reactive power that doesn't do any work but just heats the wires between the power plant and the reactive load. This is  expensive for the owners of the power transmission lines and thus should be avoided. First storing the energy in a capacitor (or  inductor or battery) and then dumping it to an active load  will still make the power go in just one direction even though it  happens in pulses. The energy is then moving from the  source to the load. Reactive power has the energy moving to and  from the load and power source. The power moving between the  capacitor and inductor in an LC-tank is pure reactive except for the  loss because of the parasitic resistance in the components and wires.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 
  
Ole,
 
Disregarding the issue at hand with the patent terminology  and not concerning ourselves with the patent just a very  high Q tank.
 
 
If a reactive LC tank capacitor is then disconnected  from the reactive source then discharged to a resistive load  then reconnected energized back to the standing  wave modality recharged disconnected discharged etc.  If the reactive energy is harvested in this manner are you  claiming the same losses will occur as power factor correcting the reactive back into real power?
 

 
 

 
 On 11/15/2018 5:36 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote
  
  
    
I have only read to the following paragraph cited below. I wonder if the  applicant knows about what he is writing.
 
 Citing paragraph 106 of the patent application (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/7d/29/f7b4bd0194992d/US20070296373A1.pdf):
 "[0106] There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the  capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in  parallel to the capacitor. SincePower=voltage×current, a single power input produces two branches ofelectromagnetic power output, increasing the power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may  have oneelectromagnetic power output with less energy input."
 
 
  
 
   
  
  
 
   
  
  
  
  
                  
   
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Hi Norman and all, 

 Yet DC motors are built to handle constant reversal...
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk

 

 The machine I ran only had a 20 foot table but it would run like this all day.
 

 Ron

Hi Warren,

"That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing! Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?"

Yes almost. At least it's being done with homopolar motors without actually reversing the rotation to a new speed up. Homopolar motors are the Faraday disc type of motor which is a DC motor or generator of very low impedance. The homopolar motor is spun up to full speed over some time and then braked at full current in very short time. This gives a pulse of very high current.

"I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of. 20 times the current indeed!
 Lets take it and use it."
Tariel Kapanadze uses powerful pulses in his mechanical free energy device. It's a very noisy phenomenon like fast hammer blows. An analogy would be a falling ball hitting the ground and bouncing back with almost the same speed that it hit the ground. The ball has the mass and speed of the rotor with perhaps a flywheel. The rotor won't decelerate at the same speed as reversing the magnetic field rotational direction. But it will try to do it the best it can like if the bouncing ball was an elastic basket ball deforming and then getting back to its spherical shape. A hard steel ball is elastic too but in in a stiffer way than an air filled ball.

I only see an idea in pulses if free energy can be released like in what Kapanadze does. He has two flywheels and an impulse drive. With only one flywheel it would be like a ball only returning to its initial height after bouncing. For free energy it must bounce back higher than its initial energy. Kapanadze's device (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY) involves impacts from the impulse drive to two different masses where one is connected to the load.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!
 Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?
 Let us consider how to conceive a motor that gets to speed, and then reverses, capturing all that current, then runs the other direction to hit full speed, then reverses.
 Somehow, I am sure someone must have tried this, faced with some motor drive of something.
 I had to build a full sized aluminium man who could break dance to music for an artist. I was supplied the servos by the artist who was an early pioneer of machine programming, and had matched his very expensive, at that time, permanent magnet chopper driven servos, to his prototype driver boards. I looked at the weenie shafts, and said "no way can these handle the torque, splined or not"
 Sure enough they didn't even lift the honey comb aluminium arm, the motor shearing off its own shaft, with tremendous torque, that that little motor in chopper mode produced.
 I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of.
 20 times the current indeed!
 Lets take it and use it.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:55 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   I just found an article about stopping a motor by reversing it while running. It's called plugging. Below are two figures from the article where one is showing the speed and braking torque and the other one is shoving the current. Here is the article: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/ https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/. Look at the currents. The switch contact points have to carry perhaps 20 times the running current. If they don't have low resistance they're welded or vaporized as the dissipated power is proportional to the current squared. Thus if the current is 20 times greater than normal the power dissipation is 400 times greater than normal. If the contacts bounce the formed plasma may dissipate even more power as the resistance becomes greater while the current stays the same.


 
 Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Norm,
 

 Very good info about the EMP.  I've had quite a few experiences with it over the years. The last one was with a refrigeration unit being installed by other contractors in a supermarket food store and it blew up the lightning protection unit in the main Switchboard.  We got the blame and we could not convince the owner otherwise and he didn't want to pay for our work of installing the lightning protection unit. Most times it has happened in my experiences has been associated with refrigeration and air conditioning systems.  I did see something unusual with large motors in an off mode turning backwards in a brick-works when the metal detector stopped the motors of the feeding conveyors into the pan mixer. You do see some weird things sometimes and you go away scratching your head.
 

 George


 ...

RonThat is really cool, quite an update from an overhead line shaft driven, leather flat belt shaper that I heard was for sale at an old stone water mill nearby.Besides weighing several tons, it was too ancient for even me to consider.Surprising though, your machine works just the same way, hinged tool holder and all.Although I have a milling machine, a shaper is a nice tool, as you can simply grind your own bits to any profile you wish.
Replacing the big drive crank and slides with electric motors, makes it way lighter and cheaper to build.You still have slides, but save a lot of cast iron.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 11:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Norman and all,

Yet DC motors are built to handle constant reversal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk

The machine I ran only had a 20 foot table but it would run like this all day.
Ron
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Hi Ron,

If setting the video speed at slowest level it looks like a gradual speed down to a halt and then speeding up again in the opposite direction. It doesn't look like hard bouncing off a wall without a pause. Of course there is still a lot of mass to decelerate. The motor may just be shorted to dissipate the energy before making the reversal. This equals the back EMF (i.e. the generating voltage) which is the supply voltage minus the small motoring part of the voltage. A full reversal is huge compared to that.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <iron1of1@...> wrote :

 Hi Norman and all, 

 Yet DC motors are built to handle constant reversal...
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzsQnKJGYtk

 

 The machine I ran only had a 20 foot table but it would run like this all day.
 

 Ron

Woo norm that some serious caps a lot of potential there .norm what if you
recreated the event and could polarize it into positive and negative
potentials and had a bank of or string of caps going to ground with some
way to hold on to the energy in the caps with out letting it return to
ground when things quite down .? One string for each polarity  .do you
think you could double your energy ?by using the earth to make up the other
half of the caps energy when exposed to that Hi level of potential ?.that
is if you can hold on to the peak moment.??

On Friday, November 23, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norman
> Having a ton of RV motors can't be a bad thing unless you have to move.
> Three phase motors used to be
> useless pieces of junk to me for decades, until I needed one to experiment
> with doing Hector's RV.
> One could have them at scrap yards for pennies a pound, as no contractors
> had three phase in their little shops. Only factory stuff used three phase.
> Then all of a sudden China would buy all, at good prices, ASAP
> You can't find them as easily now as in the eighties.
> Those switches arcing need perhaps to be liquid mercury, or something?
> Curious.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 9:10 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Ole & Warren, I did extensive testing on the GUNNING PRINCIPLE which
> Hector and I discussed here on the forum back several years ago. For me it
> started with the Ferroresonance phenomenon which I had envisioned a way to
> purposely bypass all the mitigating steps to prevent the phenomenon to
> setting up a circuit to exploit the Ferroresonant event and figure out a
> way to capture energy.  Thus my folder on EVGRAY TWO, Ferroresonance
> Capture.  In the ferroresonant phenomenon, unbalanced conditions trip the
> circuit into self targeting resonant conditions (non linear) which causes
> voltages to be multiplied by 10X and currents likewise.  As warren said,
> make it happen in a sustained mode and siphon off and use this energy.
> Problem here is mains are supplying the energy which gets around safety
> breakers and disconnects. Pick up any 20amp thermo-magnetic breaker and see
> on the side of it that the instantaneous rating is 10KA (10,000 amps).
> My experiments with the big 5HP setup  was to take the line supply out of
> the conserved energy equation and get the amplified Neutral Spike (EMP).
> My small ceiling fan experiments were done with 18ga. zip cord line input
> with all wiring, (hook up) over 18 ga. wire. Motor windings, both run and
> shading windings were 22 ga. magnet wire. The last destructive test,
> totally exploded a reversing contactor that by parallel wiring of contacts
> gave a 120 amp capability. the contator was totally destroyed. I still
> think that all of this goes back to the Anti-parallel magnetic flux
> annihilation-reconnect phenomenon which produces an EMP event just the same
> as I experienced in all my test.  Thanks Ole for your excellent document on
> the reversal GUNNING charts.   From my experiments, I do not accept this
> conventional explanation as the bottom line.  Sorry, for there is more to
> the story.  Additional notes here in the area of big RV experimentation, I
> sold my 40 HP Marathon RV to Luther down in Houston after experiencing
> magnetic lockup when clip leading in different cap values.  Highly
> dangerous with such high rotating mass.
>
> [image: alt]
> I literally had a TON of RV 3 phase motors to play with.
>
> On 11/22/2018 11:40 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Ole
> That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!
> Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?
> Let us consider how to conceive a motor that gets to speed, and then
> reverses, capturing all that current, then runs the other direction to hit
> full speed, then reverses.
> Somehow, I am sure someone must have tried this, faced with some motor
> drive of something.
> I had to build a full sized aluminium man who could break dance to music
> for an artist. I was supplied the servos by the artist who was an early
> pioneer of machine programming, and had matched his very expensive, at that
> time, permanent magnet chopper driven servos, to his prototype driver
> boards. I looked at the weenie shafts, and said "no way can these handle
> the torque, splined or not"
> Sure enough they didn't even lift the honey comb aluminium arm, the motor
> shearing off its own shaft, with tremendous torque, that that little motor
> in chopper mode produced.
> I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really
> about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often
> would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of.
> 20 times the current indeed!
> Lets take it and use it.
> Cheers Warren
>
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> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:55 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I just found an article about stopping a motor by reversing it while
> running. It's called plugging. Below are two figures from the article where
> one is showing the speed and braking torque and the other one is shoving
> the current. Here is the article: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/
> general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/. Look at the currents. The
> switch contact points have to carry perhaps 20 times the running current.
> If they don't have low resistance they're welded or vaporized as the
> dissipated power is proportional to the current squared. Thus if the
> current is 20 times greater than normal the power dissipation is 400 times
> greater than normal. If the contacts bounce the formed plasma may dissipate
> even more power as the resistance becomes greater while the current stays
> the same.
> [image: alt]
> [image: alt]
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> <canowindracd@...> wrote
> :
>
> Norm,
>
> Very good info about the EMP.  I've had quite a few experiences with it
> over the years. The last one was with a refrigeration unit being installed
> by other contractors in a supermarket food store and it blew up the
> lightning protection unit in the main Switchboard.  We got the blame and we
> could not convince the owner otherwise and he didn't want to pay for our
> work of installing the lightning protection unit. Most times it has
> happened in my experiences has been associated with refrigeration and air
> conditioning systems.  I did see something unusual with large motors in an
> off mode turning backwards in a brick-works when the metal detector stopped
> the motors of the feeding conveyors into the pan mixer. You do see some
> weird things sometimes and you go away scratching your head.
>
> George
>
> On Wednesday, 21 November 2018, 3:21:33 am AEDT, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Mick!  I am getting just like Hector here by having to explain something
> over and over!  I guess short memory is the cause for lack of understanding
> the whole project.   First you have to go back to the 1981 ceiling fan,
> 1/6th HP capacitor run shaded pole motor problem. A wiring error by a
> Chinese assembly worker incorrectly wired the capacitor reversing switch
> into the neutral side of the circuit which provided a total isolation of
> charge while the switch was in transition from forward operation  to
> reverse operation. Reversing switch would explode.  This was my first
> encounter with the phenomenon which I researched and determined that it was
> a Magneto-Electric effect or better put, Magnetic flux
> annihilation-reconnect as we now know it. In Physics we have always been
> taught that energy cannot be destroyed but can change forms as we clearly
> see by simple experiment. With this knowledge tucked back in the memory
> bank, I had the occasion to encounter this phenomenon again in around 1984.
> A wealthy widow had remodeled her expansive Highland Park home (Dallas) and
> I had installed a projection TV system into her den.   MS. Sharp called and
> said  she had a Poltergeist in her den. When I arrived she served tea and
> told me to sit there and wait a few minutes.  The TV screen and projector
> both started descending from the ceiling then reversed and went back up.
> Both these motors were shaded pole, capacitor run design so that switching
> via wall switch could reverse operation, either up or down against limit
> switches. Here is the Somfy motor example so you understand how they
> operate:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHEJ2iIu14&feature=youtu.be
> When I went into attic to examine the motorized units the phenomenon
> occurred again. Sure enough the screen and projector descended half way
> down then reversed and retracted. Over my head was a powered turbo
> ventilator attic fan of shaded pole design which took off ZIIIIINNNNG ,
> super fast acceleration up to a speed about 10X design speed but one big
> problem was that it took off backwards! The turbine took several minutes to
> coast down to a stop.  A visit downstairs found that a small appliance like
> a counter top blender in the kitchen (shaded pole motor) would take off
> spinning backwards then stop.  The only connection that all these motor had
> when sitting in a turned off state was a connection to the neutral buss.
> Interesting fact was that with the very small size motor windings and
> sudden fantastic acceleration up to very high speed (backwards) did no
> damage to the motors. I did an inspection to the mains breakers and house
> wiring including the service cabelling and earth ground at the mains panel.
> All was up to Dallas Code. While walking in side yard, I found a brand new
> installation of a 5 ton A/C Condensing unit. in addition to the older 5 ton
> unit. Both units were earth bonded via the Required (Highland Park Code) 10
> ft. ground rod at the units.  Both units were 5  Ton, 230VAC single
> phase.   While I was looking at the A/C units , the new one tried to start
> against a locked rotor condition.  From contactor closure to WHUUUUUMP, EMP
> shot which you could feel the brissance in the ground took about 1/2
> second.  This was the source of the EMP event which caused the neutral buss
> to carry this very unusual form of energy.  The A/C guys came out and
> replaced the compressor and rectified the situation but I came away with a
> better understanding a very common phenomenon that most do not take time to
> fully understand nor appreciate the implications.   By studing the ongoing
> research of the natural occurrence of this EMP phenomenon from Solar
> magnetic storms Magnetic Annihilation -Reconnect which have been duplicated
> in Labs gathering better understanding of phenomenon. I elected to bench
> top duplicate the situation which I had observed back in 1984 at the Sharp
> residence.  Since I was doing HVAC, Electrical and Electronics Contracting,
> I had many compressors at my disposal just like the one in the Carrier A/C
> unit.    By hydraulic locking the compressor via filling with oil and
> pinching off the suction and discharge lines you have a fully locked up
> sealed unit See:
>
> This unit utilizes a 40mfd start cap and a 5mfd run cap controlled by
> current relay.  When energized via 2 pole,230VAC, starter contactor, both
> the start and run windings are energized. When the Over current relay
> senses the locked rotor current of 84 amps ( motor in magnetic saturation)
> the circuit is opened leaving the stored energy in total isolation with no
> ground reference.  A NECESSARY CONDITION TO GET THE MAGNETIC FLUX
> ANNIHILATION-Re-CONNECT PHENOMENON or EMP.     This experiment is something
> anyone can duplicate and observe the phenomenon for yourself.  The
> reversible ceiling fan is the simplest and easiest and less expensive to
> replicate. Most current available reversible fans utilize the electrical
> capacitor relocation via toggle switch to reverse rotation.  All you have
> to do is open up circuit and re-wire the cap so that you have a momentary
> loss of ground reference (neutral) while the reversing switch is in
> transit. Reverse it several times and you will explode switch!   Now Mick,
> what do you not understand??   I was just too curious to let this go by
> without finding an answer.   Just remember the Axiom, Energy cannot be
> destroyed but it can change forms.
>
> [image: alt]
> On 11/19/2018 10:04 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> So why did you first notice this even at a clients, shorted start cap or
> seized bearing?     Interesting I have noticed a ground rod near pool
> equipment with GFI but rarely have seen or can recall one next to a heat
> pump or AC unit and 10 feet ground rod damn that's deeper than a dirt nap.
> At 60hz the capacitive coupling is negligible.
>
> Unless I am misunderstanding something the L1-L2 at the supply side...
> coupling to earth would still be at the transformer to center tap neutral
> back at the pole then the neutral is ground bonded at the service.  Since
> it is on the sink side of the transformer from the utility there is a
> direct path to ground through a certain impedance,reactance and reluctance
> whatever importance that plays into the event.
> On 11/19/2018 4:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked means exactly what the term expresses! No rotor motion relative to
> stator!  On the early 5 Ton A/C units they were service wired with a 3
> conductor wip from service disconnect to A/C unit! You had L-1 & L-2 230VAC
> (hots) and a green earth bonding wire to motor and chasis frame. In
> addition, you had a10 ft. ground stake into earth ground to bond this
> outdoor installation for safety reasons.    When over-current relay (84
> amps) drops out starter contactor there is NO GROUND PATH to discipate the
> charge, both magbetic flux sayuration (Inductive power) and the two charged
> capacitors in the circuit.  This energy is in an isolated state due to
> insulation in the motor windings and capacitors.   Ole will jump in here
> and say there is capacitive coupling between motor frame and isolated
> capacitance and magnetic flux at saturation.    I built and did the test on
> this phenomenon after I saw it in real life in a clients back yard.  Easy
> to duplicate!  The reversible ceiling fan trick can be done by anyone by
> just changing the wiring on the reversing capacitor in-order to float
> neutral while the reversing switch is in transition.  Simple!   ( BOOM)!!
> On 11/18/2018 11:15 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> How did you run the motor in locked mode, by preventing the start cap from
> energizing?
>
> When you experimented with the energy from this motor where did you
> extract the differential, from the green wire running back to the service
> panel or another grounding rod and from the motor frame where the ground
> bonding clip usually is or somewhere else?
>
> Assuming frame on your dual winding induction motor was isolated sink side
> from the stator windings by their insulation  as you mentioned earlier
> there was no neutral and on the source side by the center tap in the pole
> pig?
>
> Not sure why I was thinking locked was synchronous mode as we discussed
> earlier the concept of Mag Transmitter is to saturate the core and release,
> or as Hector likes to say switch off to turn on.  Some major issues going
> on here, head on backwards.
>
> So impedance does opposite of a LC tank and dropped like a series LC
> hmmm...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:44 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks! Ole for the explanation!  Rotation is required inorder for counter
> emf to be generated. In stalled rotor or locked rotor conditions, the
> current through the windings is only limited by R = resitance. My dual
> winding 5 HP motor in locked rotor had a combined current draw of 84 amps @
> 230VAC input. When you look at the BH curve on a scope you see the magnetic
> flux build to saturation at which point the impedance is = to Zero ( air
> value) with R being the only limiting factor. (Ole). I used the dual
> winding motor for it has a starting cap value of 40mfd and a run cap with a
> value of 5 mfd, both of which are in circuit when current limiting relay
> drops circuit open yielding the Neutral Spike form ground.   Magneto
> Electric effect. For it to work, the caps and motor windings have to be
> isolated from neutral and earth ground reference.  the iron motor frame is
> earth bonded. Cancellation of energy in isolation will create an EMP earth
> ground response.  This goes back to Page 25 of CSN by Tesla himself.
> On 11/17/2018 5:12 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Locked rotor is when the rotor is prevented from rotating. This is also
> known as stalled rotor.
>
> Synchronous speed is when the rotor follows the rotating magnetic wave(s)
> of the stator. In an induction motor (asynchronous motor) this means no
> power transmission between the rotor and the stator. The motor is then
> working neither as motor or generator.
>
> Slip is the ratio between the rotor speed and the rotating field speed.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Norm,
>
> I am slowly digesting this but I think my concept of locked rotor was/is
> in error.  Always thought this was when the rotor is locked to the
> rotational field from stator with least amount of slip, seems like I am
> reading now it is most amount of slip.
>
> Can you provide what locked rotor means to you and any additional
> information of what you think may be occurring beyond the everyday accepted
> definition?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mick
> On 11/16/2018 5:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick, Ole, Kone etal!  I have been thinking a lot about my Locked Rotor
> experiments and did a lot of reading to come up with a fool proof Lenz free
> motor / generator combination which is so easy to build and proof test!
> First of all you should read what we know as facts! See the following
> articles:
>
> https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-what-are-dc-shunt-
> motors-and-where-are-they-used/
>
> http://www.machineryspaces.com/direct-current-motors.html
>
> https://www.quora.com/What-will-happen-if-the-back-EMF-
> of-a-DC-motor-vanishes
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FPcKgwSzs&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3TFALmHtMw&feature=youtu.be
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/post/A_DC_shunt_motor_is_
> running_at_light_load_what_happens_if_the_field_winding_gets_opened
>
> Kone loves to play with the very powerful Neos as found at K&G Magnetics
> and shown in the video of the Ray's LENZ free generator.  What I will
> propose is very simple application of DC motor principles as read from the
> cited references. First you make your LENZ free  motor which is in reality
> a LINEAR MOTOR (Solenoid) which will give the necessary stroke length to
> drive the LINEAR generator (Coil oscillating within the drag free, LENZ
> free area of the Neo magnets).   Stroke of the solenoid is controlled by
> Hall sensor and IGBT drive switch to give an excursion rate (stroke) at a
> frequency of 60 HZ. By using a DC pulse  to drive the solenoid coil it is
> tricked into being in LOCKED ROTOR condition, thus no LENZ effect.  Has the
> light come on yet??   We know that Ray's generator puts out a sine wave
> output (AC) with no LENZ drag.  Following the DC motor principles as
> applied to the solenoid driver, you have a motor that is LENZ free also.
> The combo should give an Over-unity output. Now the tricky part!  We know
> as Ole will agree in that when you switch the solenoid power
>
>

OleI can't exactly see what Kapanadze is doing with that device, under all that urethane foam, there is as lot that might be hidden, yet  maybe, he clings to the mystery of somehow getting rich, by confusing onlookers, as to what is going on, a possible element of dishonesty?Yet, there does seem to be pride there, even as he nervously consumes cigarette, after cigaretteI see the two discs that could be monopoles. I found difficulty connecting the generator motor to the main shaft.In the end , it leaves me puzzeled. Can you explain it?

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  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 11:34 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

"That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!
Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?"
Yes almost. At least it's being done with homopolar motors without actually reversing the rotation to a new speed up. Homopolar motors are the Faraday disc type of motor which is a DC motor or generator of very low impedance. The homopolar motor is spun up to full speed over some time and then braked at full current in very short time. This gives a pulse of very high current.

"I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of.20 times the current indeed!Lets take it and use it."
Tariel Kapanadze uses powerful pulses in his mechanical free energy device. It's a very noisy phenomenon like fast hammer blows. An analogy would be a falling ball hitting the ground and bouncing back with almost the same speed that it hit the ground. The ball has the mass and speed of the rotor with perhaps a flywheel. The rotor won't decelerate at the same speed as reversing the magnetic field rotational direction. But it will try to do it the best it can like if the bouncing ball was an elastic basket ball deforming and then getting back to its spherical shape. A hard steel ball is elastic too but in in a stiffer way than an air filled ball.

I only see an idea in pulses if free energy can be released like in what Kapanadze does. He has two flywheels and an impulse drive. With only one flywheel it would be like a ball only returning to its initial height after bouncing. For free energy it must bounce back higher than its initial energy. Kapanadze's device (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY) involves impacts from the impulse drive to two different masses where one is connected to the load.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

OleThat is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?Let us consider how to conceive a motor that gets to speed, and then reverses, capturing all that current, then runs the other direction to hit full speed, then reverses.Somehow, I am sure someone must have tried this, faced with some motor drive of something.I had to build a full sized aluminium man who could break dance to music for an artist. I was supplied the servos by the artist who was an early pioneer of machine programming, and had matched his very expensive, at that time, permanent magnet chopper driven servos, to his prototype driver boards. I looked at the weenie shafts, and said "no way can these handle the torque, splined or not"Sure enough they didn't even lift the honey comb aluminium arm, the motor shearing off its own shaft, with tremendous torque, that that little motor in chopper mode produced.I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of.20 times the current indeed!Lets take it and use it.Cheers Warren

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  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:55 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I just found an article about stopping a motor by reversing it while running. It's called plugging. Below are two figures from the article where one is showing the speed and braking torque and the other one is shoving the current. Here is the article: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/. Look at the currents. The switch contact points have to carry perhaps 20 times the running current. If they don't have low resistance they're welded or vaporized as the dissipated power is proportional to the current squared. Thus if the current is 20 times greater than normal the power dissipation is 400 times greater than normal. If the contacts bounce the formed plasma may dissipate even more power as the resistance becomes greater while the current stays the same.


Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

Norm,
Very good info about the EMP.  I've had quite a few experiences with it over the years. The last one was with a refrigeration unit being installed by other contractors in a supermarket food store and it blew up the lightning protection unit in the main Switchboard.  We got the blame and we could not convince the owner otherwise and he didn't want to pay for our work of installing the lightning protection unit. Most times it has happened in my experiences has been associated with refrigeration and air conditioning systems.  I did see something unusual with large motors in an off mode turning backwards in a brick-works when the metal detector stopped the motors of the feeding conveyors into the pan mixer. You do see some weird things sometimes and you go away scratching your head.
George
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Hi Warren,

As I see it Kapanadze is inputting pulses that he coheres as per Wilbert B. Smith's principle of inversion to get out more energy than spent on the input pulses.

The input pulse train is not added as when using superposition of waves. Instead the pulses are mixed in a nonlinear way to become coherent which represents more energy than when just adding the energy of the single pulses. He then removes the battery and feeds back some of the excess power to make the device a self-runner that also powers a load.

The two flywheels are coupled by a wire that locks them together in one direction while it unwinds in the opposite direction. One thing I don't know is to which of the flywheels the load is coupled. Is it connected to the driven flywheel or the 'rectified' flywheel? Perhaps both flywheels ram up on the load while the impulse motor also supplies a pulse?

After all Kapanadze also succeeded in making electronic self-runners.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole I can't exactly see what Kapanadze is doing with that device, under all that urethane foam, there is as lot that might be hidden, yet  maybe, he clings to the mystery of somehow getting rich, by confusing onlookers, as to what is going on, a possible element of dishonesty?
 Yet, there does seem to be pride there, even as he nervously consumes cigarette, after cigarette
 I see the two discs that could be monopoles. I found difficulty connecting the generator motor to the main shaft.
 In the end , it leaves me puzzeled. Can you explain it?

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 On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 11:34 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   Hi Warren,

"That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!
 Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?"

Yes almost. At least it's being done with homopolar motors without actually reversing the rotation to a new speed up. Homopolar motors are the Faraday disc type of motor which is a DC motor or generator of very low impedance. The homopolar motor is spun up to full speed over some time and then braked at full current in very short time. This gives a pulse of very high current.

"I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of. 20 times the current indeed!
 Lets take it and use it."
Tariel Kapanadze uses powerful pulses in his mechanical free energy device. It's a very noisy phenomenon like fast hammer blows. An analogy would be a falling ball hitting the ground and bouncing back with almost the same speed that it hit the ground. The ball has the mass and speed of the rotor with perhaps a flywheel. The rotor won't decelerate at the same speed as reversing the magnetic field rotational direction. But it will try to do it the best it can like if the bouncing ball was an elastic basket ball deforming and then getting back to its spherical shape. A hard steel ball is elastic too but in in a stiffer way than an air filled ball.

I only see an idea in pulses if free energy can be released like in what Kapanadze does. He has two flywheels and an impulse drive. With only one flywheel it would be like a ball only returning to its initial height after bouncing. For free energy it must bounce back higher than its initial energy. Kapanadze's device (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY) involves impacts from the impulse drive to two different masses where one is connected to the load.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole That is very interesting. 20 times the running current by reversing!
 Can a machine be devised to exploit this current?
 Let us consider how to conceive a motor that gets to speed, and then reverses, capturing all that current, then runs the other direction to hit full speed, then reverses.
 Somehow, I am sure someone must have tried this, faced with some motor drive of something.
 I had to build a full sized aluminium man who could break dance to music for an artist. I was supplied the servos by the artist who was an early pioneer of machine programming, and had matched his very expensive, at that time, permanent magnet chopper driven servos, to his prototype driver boards. I looked at the weenie shafts, and said "no way can these handle the torque, splined or not"
 Sure enough they didn't even lift the honey comb aluminium arm, the motor shearing off its own shaft, with tremendous torque, that that little motor in chopper mode produced.
 I know it is not the same phenomena you are pointing out, it is really about the positive aspect of a very unpleasant mechanical event, we often would rather forget than exploit as a discovery, and make use of.
 20 times the current indeed!
 Lets take it and use it.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 8:55 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   I just found an article about stopping a motor by reversing it while running. It's called plugging. Below are two figures from the article where one is showing the speed and braking torque and the other one is shoving the current. Here is the article: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/ https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/reversing-3-phase-motor-stop-149599/. Look at the currents. The switch contact points have to carry perhaps 20 times the running current. If they don't have low resistance they're welded or vaporized as the dissipated power is proportional to the current squared. Thus if the current is 20 times greater than normal the power dissipation is 400 times greater than normal. If the contacts bounce the formed plasma may dissipate even more power as the resistance becomes greater while the current stays the same.


 
 Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Norm,
 

 Very good info about the EMP.  I've had quite a few experiences with it over the years. The last one was with a refrigeration unit being installed by other contractors in a supermarket food store and it blew up the lightning protection unit in the main Switchboard.  We got the blame and we could not convince the owner otherwise and he didn't want to pay for our work of installing the lightning protection unit. Most times it has happened in my experiences has been associated with refrigeration and air conditioning systems.  I did see something unusual with large motors in an off mode turning backwards in a brick-works when the metal detector stopped the motors of the feeding conveyors into the pan mixer. You do see some weird things sometimes and you go away scratching your head.
 

 George


 ...

Yes Ole and Mick
 

 You could be right... all I know is it was all done with relays
 

 Ron

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Ron,

If setting the video speed at slowest level it looks like a gradual speed down to a halt and then speeding up again in the opposite direction. It doesn't look like hard bouncing off a wall without a pause. Of course there is still a lot of mass to decelerate. The motor may just be shorted to dissipate the energy before making the reversal. This equals the back EMF (i.e. the generating voltage) which is the supply voltage minus the small motoring part of the voltage. A full reversal is huge compared to that.

Regards
Ole
 

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