Re: [EVGRAY] Electrostatic machine roughly 1 kilowatt per pound

https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793    After you read this 
lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt transfer 
method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum dielectric media 
approach!

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html   Mick! This is the 
machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil Builders 
group!


On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt transfer 
> method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum dielectric media 
> approach!
>

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en


On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
> machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
> built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
> Builders group!
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
>> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
>> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
>> dielectric media approach!
>>
>

http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm


On 10/10/2018 9:57 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
>> machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
>> built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
>> Builders group!
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
>>> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
>>> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
>>> dielectric media approach!
>>>
>>
>

Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser 
cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or 
segment design.


http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual machine 
components!

On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
> It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making 
> stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
> It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel 
> works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually 
> aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? 
> One might also stack machine them to shape
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>
>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>
>     On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>     > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the
>     > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one
>     that I
>     > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil
>     > Builders group!
>     >
>     >
>     > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>     >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this
>     >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt
>     >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum
>     >> dielectric media approach!
>     >>
>     >
>
>

Warren & Mick, a vacuum cleaner motor turning 6,000 RPM usually draws 
about 10 amps therefor it is 1200 watts or one HP to turn a device that 
puts out 20KW in HVDC output.  Not bad for O/U ratio!


On 10/10/2018 10:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser 
> cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or 
> segment design.
>
>
> http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual machine 
> components!
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
>> It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than 
>> making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
>> It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless 
>> steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually 
>> aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each 
>> sector? One might also stack machine them to shape
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>
>>     On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>     > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the
>>     > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one
>>     that I
>>     > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil
>>     > Builders group!
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>     >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this
>>     >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt
>>     >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum
>>     >> dielectric media approach!
>>     >>
>>     >
>>
>
>

Oh! BTW, if you enclose the unit in an air tight enclosure and draw down 
a high vacuum, you get rid of the air drag losses and the O/U ratio goes 
up drastically!


On 10/10/2018 10:25 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Warren & Mick, a vacuum cleaner motor turning 6,000 RPM usually draws 
> about 10 amps therefor it is 1200 watts or one HP to turn a device 
> that puts out 20KW in HVDC output.  Not bad for O/U ratio!
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser 
>> cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or 
>> segment design.
>>
>>
>> http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual machine 
>> components!
>>
>> On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
>>> It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than 
>>> making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
>>> It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless 
>>> steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually 
>>> aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each 
>>> sector? One might also stack machine them to shape
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>>
>>>     On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>     > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the
>>>     > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one
>>>     that I
>>>     > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil
>>>     > Builders group!
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>     >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this
>>>     >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt
>>>     >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum
>>>     >> dielectric media approach!
>>>     >>
>>>     >
>>>
>>
>> 
>

Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy to a 
mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a directional flow of 
a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have diode arrays to take the 
pumped electron into uni-directional flow and accumulation. the 
inter-leaving rotor and stator segments give the chopping effect and 
charge collection via rapidly changing capacitance values! LENZ free!  
The variable inductance, conventional generator has the penalty of the 
LENZ effect.


On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman
>
> Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look 
> interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make in 
> quantity.
> Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching, is 
> not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily make 
> these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
> These could be fun little no Lenz generators.
> I like the mention of 2' diameter
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>
>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your
>     laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde
>     generator or segment design.
>
>
>     <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
>
>     http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual
>     machine components!
>
>     On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Norman
>>
>>     That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
>>     It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than
>>     making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
>>     It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless
>>     steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are
>>     usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of
>>     each sector? One might also stack machine them to shape
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>
>>         On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>         > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is
>>         the
>>         > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the
>>         one that I
>>         > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla
>>         Coil
>>         > Builders group!
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>         >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read
>>         this
>>         >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt
>>         >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the
>>         Vacuum
>>         >> dielectric media approach!
>>         >>
>>         >
>>
>
>

I believe you THOUGHT WRONG!  The units I built were operated via small 
DC servo motors giving counter rotation of disk with no LENZ drag effect 
nor electrostatic induction drag!  GO FIGURE!


On 10/10/2018 10:42 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> I think it was Newton that said that power in and power out was the 
> same for electrostatic generators and electromagnetic .
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Oh! BTW, if you enclose the unit in an air tight enclosure and
>     draw down a high vacuum, you get rid of the air drag losses and
>     the O/U ratio goes up drastically!
>
>
>     On 10/10/2018 10:25 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>>     Warren & Mick, a vacuum cleaner motor turning 6,000 RPM usually
>>     draws about 10 amps therefor it is 1200 watts or one HP to turn a
>>     device that puts out 20KW in HVDC output.  Not bad for O/U ratio!
>>
>>
>>     On 10/10/2018 10:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your
>>>     laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde
>>>     generator or segment design.
>>>
>>>
>>>     <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
>>>
>>>     http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm
>>>     <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm> Great photos of actual
>>>     machine components!
>>>
>>>     On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>     [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Norman
>>>>
>>>>     That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance
>>>>     machine.
>>>>     It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than
>>>>     making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
>>>>     It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting.
>>>>     Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock.
>>>>     Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape
>>>>     is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to
>>>>     shape
>>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>         On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>>>         <https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en>
>>>>
>>>>         On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>         > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html
>>>>         <http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html> Mick! This
>>>>         is the
>>>>         > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the
>>>>         one that I
>>>>         > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth
>>>>         Tesla Coil
>>>>         > Builders group!
>>>>         >
>>>>         >
>>>>         > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>         >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793
>>>>         <https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793> After you
>>>>         read this
>>>>         >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff
>>>>         belt
>>>>         >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the
>>>>         Vacuum
>>>>         >> dielectric media approach!
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

(H) 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Norman That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
 It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
 It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to shape
 Cheers Warren

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
 
 On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
 > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
 > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
 > Builders group!
 >
 >
 > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
 >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
 >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
 >> dielectric media approach!
 >>
 >

NormanThat is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to shapeCheers Warren

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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en

On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
> machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
> built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
> Builders group!
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
>> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
>> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
>> dielectric media approach!
>>
>


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NormanAlthough I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make in quantity.Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching, is not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
These could be fun little no Lenz generators.I like the mention of 2' diameter Cheers Warren
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or segment design. 
 
 

 
 http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm       Great photos of actual machine components!
 
 On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine. It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for. It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to shape Cheers Warren
 
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
 
 On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
 > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
 > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
 > Builders group!
 >
 >
 > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
 >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
 >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
 >> dielectric media approach!
 >>
 >
 
 
       
   
 
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I think it was Newton that said that power in and power out was the same
for electrostatic generators and electromagnetic .

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Oh! BTW, if you enclose the unit in an air tight enclosure and draw down a
> high vacuum, you get rid of the air drag losses and the O/U ratio goes up
> drastically!
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:25 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Warren & Mick, a vacuum cleaner motor turning 6,000 RPM usually draws
> about 10 amps therefor it is 1200 watts or one HP to turn a device that
> puts out 20KW in HVDC output.  Not bad for O/U ratio!
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser
> cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or
> segment design.
>
>
> <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
> http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm       Great photos of actual machine
> components!
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norman
> That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine.
> It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making
> stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for.
> It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel
> works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium,
> and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? One might also
> stack machine them to shape
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>
> On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the
> > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I
> > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil
> > Builders group!
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
> >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this
> >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt
> >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum
> >> dielectric media approach!
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>

NormanWe have to see the geometry if possible of the relationship between two segments.For study purposes, just printing on copy paper and cutting them out, would be helpful.Cheers Warren
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy to a mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a directional flow of a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have diode arrays to take the pumped electron into uni-directional flow and accumulation. the inter-leaving rotor and stator segments give the chopping effect and charge collection via rapidly changing capacitance values! LENZ free!  The variable inductance, conventional generator has the penalty of the LENZ effect.
 
 
 On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make in quantity. Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching, is not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
 These could be fun little no Lenz generators. I like the mention of 2' diameter  Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or segment design. 
 
 

 
 http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm       Great photos of actual machine components!
 
  On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine. It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for. It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder  what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to shape Cheers Warren
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
 
 On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
 > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
 > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
 > Builders group!
 >
 >
 > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
 >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
 >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
 >> dielectric media approach!
 >>
 >
 
 
       
   
  
       
   
 
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Warren!

When you go back and study the old gang tuning capacitors in your ham 
rigs you can readily see many different geometric configurations 
possible depending on how many cutting poles you want on your rotor 
segments with the same numbers of stator poles.  I made mine very simple 
for a test set up for I drew a 8 inch circle and divided it into 4 pie 
segments. with a common around the rotating shaft. etched away the  
adjacent segments giving me a two pole rotating segments. the rotor 
plates were set screw attached to the rotating shaft with a carbon 1/4 
inch rod providing an earth ground at rotor shaft chamfered (ball 
turning tool) end.  The earth ground provides the electron input. The 
stator segments were layed out exactly like the rotor segments with two 
pole  configuration and interleaved with rotor at time of assembly with 
an air gap seperation of 1/8 inch.  Eight rotor plates and 9 stator 
collector square plates.  The opposing collector plate segments are 
etched so that you have a positive terminal and a negative terminal with 
the proper diode array for electron check valves and high voltage 
collection capacitors.  The very crude device worked as advertised and 
was fun to play with. I had a seed electrostatic generator, the old 
Tesla hand held ES generator that I used to seed the stator unit to jump 
start it. It is like the Holtz machine which unlike the Whinshurst 
machine, require seeding to establish polarity at start up. The 
Whimshurst generator always started up with proper polarity on the 
Leyden Jars when starting and did not requiire seeding by outside 
means.   BTW! I used an old Singer sewing machine motor with pedal speed 
controller to turn the rotor assembly at 3600 RPM via a notched Gilmer 
belt drive.   The belt drive isolated the motor from the electrostatic 
unit.  You can design you unit with as many segments as you want for it 
is the chopping effect of the rapidly changing capacitance of the rotor 
stator relationship that does the work. If effect you have built an 
electron pump with diode check valves and collection capacitor 
reservoirs.  Happy building!  Norm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/391963947520

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/holtz.html

http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Toepler

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html   Literally thousands to 
choose from!

https://ethw.org/Electrostatic_Generator

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_effect       They got this one  
ALL WRONG for it is the phase change of the water vapor in the wood 
nozzle that provides the ions.  They assumed it was a friction process 
of stripping electrons!  NOT!  The machine must operate at exactly the 
condensation temperature within the nozzle for it to work properly!  One 
of the most powerful machine ever built.


On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Norman
>
> We have to see the geometry if possible of the relationship between 
> two segments.
> For study purposes, just printing on copy paper and cutting them out, 
> would be helpful.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy
>     to a mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a
>     directional flow of a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have
>     diode arrays to take the pumped electron into uni-directional flow
>     and accumulation. the inter-leaving rotor and stator segments give
>     the chopping effect and charge collection via rapidly changing
>     capacitance values! LENZ free!  The variable inductance,
>     conventional generator has the penalty of the LENZ effect.
>
>
>     On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>     Norman
>>
>>     Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look
>>     interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make
>>     in quantity.
>>     Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching,
>>     is not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily
>>     make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
>>     These could be fun little no Lenz generators.
>>     I like the mention of 2' diameter
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>         Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your
>>         laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde
>>         generator or segment design.
>>
>>
>>         <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
>>
>>         http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual
>>         machine components!
>>
>>         On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>         Norman
>>>
>>>         That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance
>>>         machine.
>>>         It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather
>>>         than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use
>>>         them for.
>>>         It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting.
>>>         Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock.
>>>         Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what
>>>         shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine
>>>         them to shape
>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>
>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>             On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>>
>>>             On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>             > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick!
>>>             This is the
>>>             > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and
>>>             the one that I
>>>             > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth
>>>             Tesla Coil
>>>             > Builders group!
>>>             >
>>>             >
>>>             > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>             >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you
>>>             read this
>>>             >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de
>>>             Graff belt
>>>             >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go
>>>             the Vacuum
>>>             >> dielectric media approach!
>>>             >>
>>>             >
>>>
>>
>
>

Warren, here is one especially for you since you an Old Salt Sailor! 
http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/elechome.htm  Scroll down to 
electric wind!

Similar discharges may be seen at the end of lightning rods (though 
normally they are not luminous enough to be seen), or at the ends of the 
masts or yardarms of sailing ships, where they were called St. Elmo's 
Fire. This happens when the atmospheric electric field becomes very 
large due to the passage overhead of a cumulonimbus. The major charge in 
the lower part of a thunderhead is negative, so the discharge is usually 
a positive corona. However, sometimes there is a positive charge at the 
very base of the cloud, which may produce a negative corona. In 
Graeco-Roman times, St. Elmo's Fire was attributed to Castor and Pollux. 
St. Elmo was apparently St. Erasmus of the 4th century, patron saint of 
sailors, and many forms of his name have been used. It had superstitious 
significance as well, and was sometimes called Corposanto, which English 
sailors called Corbie's Aunt. It was generally a favorable omen, but a 
man whose face was illuminated by it was doomed to die within a day, 
some believed. Since relatively dry air is required, it usually 
signified the end of rainfall and stormy weather. It can also occur on 
aircraft flying in the strong electric fields around thunderstorms. 
Corona discharges usually produce radio noise, as we found in the First 
Experiments above. Corona is effective in transferring charge without 
actual conductive contact, of which the Wimshurst machine and the van de 
Graaff generator furnish examples.

I personally have seen this a lot flying over the desert SW in the right 
atmospheric conditions!


On 10/11/2018 10:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Warren!
>
> When you go back and study the old gang tuning capacitors in your ham 
> rigs you can readily see many different geometric configurations 
> possible depending on how many cutting poles you want on your rotor 
> segments with the same numbers of stator poles.  I made mine very 
> simple for a test set up for I drew a 8 inch circle and divided it 
> into 4 pie segments. with a common around the rotating shaft. etched 
> away the  adjacent segments giving me a two pole rotating segments. 
> the rotor plates were set screw attached to the rotating shaft with a 
> carbon 1/4 inch rod providing an earth ground at rotor shaft chamfered 
> (ball turning tool) end.  The earth ground provides the electron 
> input. The stator segments were layed out exactly like the rotor 
> segments with two pole  configuration and interleaved with rotor at 
> time of assembly with an air gap seperation of 1/8 inch. Eight rotor 
> plates and 9 stator collector square plates.  The opposing collector 
> plate segments are etched so that you have a positive terminal and a 
> negative terminal with the proper diode array for electron check 
> valves and high voltage collection capacitors.  The very crude device 
> worked as advertised and was fun to play with.  I had a seed 
> electrostatic generator, the old Tesla hand held ES generator that I 
> used to seed the stator unit to jump start it. It is like the Holtz 
> machine which unlike the Whinshurst machine, require seeding to 
> establish polarity at start up. The Whimshurst generator always 
> started up with proper polarity on the Leyden Jars when starting and 
> did not requiire seeding by outside means.   BTW! I used an old Singer 
> sewing machine motor with pedal speed controller to turn the rotor 
> assembly at 3600 RPM via a notched Gilmer belt drive.   The belt drive 
> isolated the motor from the electrostatic unit.  You can design you 
> unit with as many segments as you want for it is the chopping effect 
> of the rapidly changing capacitance of the rotor stator relationship 
> that does the work. If effect you have built an electron pump with 
> diode check valves and collection capacitor reservoirs.  Happy 
> building!  Norm
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/391963947520
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine
>
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/holtz.html
>
> http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Toepler
>
> http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html Literally thousands to 
> choose from!
>
> https://ethw.org/Electrostatic_Generator
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_effect They got this one  ALL 
> WRONG for it is the phase change of the water vapor in the wood nozzle 
> that provides the ions.  They assumed it was a friction process of 
> stripping electrons!  NOT! The machine must operate at exactly the 
> condensation temperature within the nozzle for it to work properly!  
> One of the most powerful machine ever built.
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> We have to see the geometry if possible of the relationship between 
>> two segments.
>> For study purposes, just printing on copy paper and cutting them out, 
>> would be helpful.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy
>>     to a mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a
>>     directional flow of a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have
>>     diode arrays to take the pumped electron into uni-directional
>>     flow and accumulation. the inter-leaving rotor and stator
>>     segments give the chopping effect and charge collection via
>>     rapidly changing capacitance values! LENZ free! The variable
>>     inductance, conventional generator has the penalty of the LENZ
>>     effect.
>>
>>
>>     On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor
>>     [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Norman
>>>
>>>     Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look
>>>     interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make
>>>     in quantity.
>>>     Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then
>>>     etching, is not bad, so it is good there are options out there,
>>>     to easily make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
>>>     These could be fun little no Lenz generators.
>>>     I like the mention of 2' diameter
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but
>>>         your laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See
>>>         the Hyde generator or segment design.
>>>
>>>
>>>         <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
>>>
>>>         http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual
>>>         machine components!
>>>
>>>         On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor
>>>         [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Norman
>>>>
>>>>         That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance
>>>>         machine.
>>>>         It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather
>>>>         than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use
>>>>         them for.
>>>>         It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting.
>>>>         Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet
>>>>         stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder
>>>>         what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack
>>>>         machine them to shape
>>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>             On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan
>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]>
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>>>
>>>>             On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>             > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick!
>>>>             This is the
>>>>             > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and
>>>>             the one that I
>>>>             > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth
>>>>             Tesla Coil
>>>>             > Builders group!
>>>>             >
>>>>             >
>>>>             > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>             >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After
>>>>             you read this
>>>>             >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de
>>>>             Graff belt
>>>>             >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go
>>>>             the Vacuum
>>>>             >> dielectric media approach!
>>>>             >>
>>>>             >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>

NormanI read the infoWhew! Tough going. Those patent lawyers sure don't want anybody to be able to replicate the concept they lay out.Basically two daisy flower blossoms on the same center, one spinning, the other stationary. They have slip ring electrical connections
to outside electrodes.One has to spin the sucker at over 6,000 rpm, a difficult job with a vacuum cleaner motor, apparently.It is not a good idea to have separate blades for air friction.Your circuit board idea is way better, and super easy, with etching, as the fiberglass board is more streamlined, with the copper foil, the only out of stream protrusion.Even so, it is a challenging build, needing to perhaps, go inside a sealed chamber .The voltages are not so scary, as my Tesla coil is much higher. I don't have really close neighbours to knock out their electronics, like in Toronto, but it doesn't mean mine are immune.It is intriguing, and the pump - like action is almost understandable, in a varying capacitance field, that is no Lenz when disturbed.These are big concepts to wind one's head aroundI sure love the output!Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or segment design. 
 
 

 
 http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm       Great photos of actual machine components!
 
 On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance machine. It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for. It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine them to shape Cheers Warren
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
 
 On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
 > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
 > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
 > Builders group!
 >
 >
 > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
 >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt 
 >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the Vacuum 
 >> dielectric media approach!
 >>
 >
 
 
       
   
 
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Unpacking some of my junk
The Tesla coilPlugged it in to see if it still works.It does.Set a bent double florescent bulb on it. It really changes the type of discharge to a much bigger and heavy spark. Not only does it light up but this heavy duty lightning comes from the terminals striking a stainless steel boat railing about 8 beats per second .Maybe I can charge up some of those oil filled 400 kv capacitors to perhaps loop it through an inverter?No time for really doing anything serious, but well, just setting stuff on shelves, and playing a bit.Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 11:44 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren!
 
 
When you go back and study the old gang tuning capacitors in your ham rigs you can readily see many different geometric configurations possible depending on how many cutting poles you want on your rotor segments with the same numbers of stator poles.  I made mine very simple for a test set up for I drew a 8 inch circle and divided it into 4 pie segments. with a common around the rotating shaft. etched away the  adjacent segments giving me a two pole rotating segments. the rotor plates were set screw attached to the rotating shaft with a carbon 1/4 inch rod providing an earth ground at rotor shaft chamfered (ball turning tool) end.  The earth ground provides the electron input. The stator segments were layed out exactly like the rotor segments with two pole  configuration and interleaved with rotor at time of assembly with an air gap seperation of 1/8 inch.  Eight rotor plates and 9 stator collector square plates.  The opposing collector plate segments are etched so that you have a positive terminal and a negative terminal with the proper diode array for electron check valves and high voltage collection capacitors.  The very crude device worked as advertised and was fun to play with.  I had a seed electrostatic generator, the old Tesla hand held ES generator that I used to seed the stator unit to jump start it. It is like the Holtz machine which unlike the Whinshurst machine, require seeding to establish polarity at start up. The Whimshurst generator always started up with proper polarity on the Leyden Jars when starting and did not requiire seeding by outside means.   BTW! I used an old Singer sewing machine motor with pedal speed controller to turn the rotor assembly at 3600 RPM via a notched Gilmer belt drive.   The belt drive isolated the motor from the electrostatic unit.  You can design you unit with as many segments as you want for it is the chopping effect of the rapidly changing capacitance of the rotor stator relationship that does the work. If effect you have built an electron pump with diode check valves and collection capacitor reservoirs.  Happy building!  Norm
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/391963947520
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine
 
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/holtz.html
 
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Toepler
 
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html   Literally thousands to choose from!
 
https://ethw.org/Electrostatic_Generator
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_effect       They got this one  ALL WRONG for it is the phase change of the water vapor in the wood nozzle that provides the ions.  They assumed it was a friction process of stripping electrons!  NOT!  The machine must operate at exactly the condensation temperature within the nozzle for it to work properly!  One of the most powerful machine ever built.
 
 
 On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 Norman
 We have to see the geometry if possible of the relationship between two segments. For study purposes, just printing on copy paper and cutting them out, would be helpful. Cheers Warren
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy to a mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a directional flow of a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have diode arrays to take the pumped electron into uni-directional flow and accumulation. the inter-leaving rotor and stator segments give the chopping effect and charge collection via rapidly changing capacitance values! LENZ free!  The variable inductance, conventional generator has the penalty of the LENZ effect.
 
 
  On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make in quantity. Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching, is not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
 These could be fun little no Lenz generators. I like the mention of 2' diameter  Cheers Warren
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier!  See the Hyde generator or segment design. 
 
 

 
 http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm       Great photos of actual machine components!
 
  On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norman
 That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance  machine. It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather than  making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use them for. It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting. Stainless  steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock. Caps are  usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what shape is needed of each  sector? One might also stack machine them to shape Cheers Warren
 
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
 
 On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick! This is the 
 > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and the one that I 
 > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth Tesla Coil 
 > Builders group!
 >
 >
 > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
 >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you read this 
 >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de Graff belt  
 >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go the  Vacuum 
 >> dielectric media approach!
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