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Warren!
When you go back and study the old gang tuning capacitors in your ham
rigs you can readily see many different geometric configurations
possible depending on how many cutting poles you want on your rotor
segments with the same numbers of stator poles. I made mine very simple
for a test set up for I drew a 8 inch circle and divided it into 4 pie
segments. with a common around the rotating shaft. etched away the
adjacent segments giving me a two pole rotating segments. the rotor
plates were set screw attached to the rotating shaft with a carbon 1/4
inch rod providing an earth ground at rotor shaft chamfered (ball
turning tool) end. The earth ground provides the electron input. The
stator segments were layed out exactly like the rotor segments with two
pole configuration and interleaved with rotor at time of assembly with
an air gap seperation of 1/8 inch. Eight rotor plates and 9 stator
collector square plates. The opposing collector plate segments are
etched so that you have a positive terminal and a negative terminal with
the proper diode array for electron check valves and high voltage
collection capacitors. The very crude device worked as advertised and
was fun to play with. I had a seed electrostatic generator, the old
Tesla hand held ES generator that I used to seed the stator unit to jump
start it. It is like the Holtz machine which unlike the Whinshurst
machine, require seeding to establish polarity at start up. The
Whimshurst generator always started up with proper polarity on the
Leyden Jars when starting and did not requiire seeding by outside
means. BTW! I used an old Singer sewing machine motor with pedal speed
controller to turn the rotor assembly at 3600 RPM via a notched Gilmer
belt drive. The belt drive isolated the motor from the electrostatic
unit. You can design you unit with as many segments as you want for it
is the chopping effect of the rapidly changing capacitance of the rotor
stator relationship that does the work. If effect you have built an
electron pump with diode check valves and collection capacitor
reservoirs. Happy building! Norm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/391963947520
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/holtz.html
http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Toepler
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/electrostatic.html Literally thousands to
choose from!
https://ethw.org/Electrostatic_Generator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_effect They got this one
ALL WRONG for it is the phase change of the water vapor in the wood
nozzle that provides the ions. They assumed it was a friction process
of stripping electrons! NOT! The machine must operate at exactly the
condensation temperature within the nozzle for it to work properly! One
of the most powerful machine ever built.
On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
> Norman
>
> We have to see the geometry if possible of the relationship between
> two segments.
> For study purposes, just printing on copy paper and cutting them out,
> would be helpful.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Warren, the operation is very easy to comprehend since in analogy
> to a mechanical pump, you have check valves to provide a
> directional flow of a gas or liquid. Same here in that you have
> diode arrays to take the pumped electron into uni-directional flow
> and accumulation. the inter-leaving rotor and stator segments give
> the chopping effect and charge collection via rapidly changing
> capacitance values! LENZ free! The variable inductance,
> conventional generator has the penalty of the LENZ effect.
>
>
> On 10/10/2018 10:39 AM, Warren Keillor
> [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Although I can't download the files on my phone, they sure look
>> interesting, and just as easy as I thought they might be to make
>> in quantity.
>> Printing them on fiberglass circuit board material, then etching,
>> is not bad, so it is good there are options out there, to easily
>> make these sectors, in quantity, as will be required.
>> These could be fun little no Lenz generators.
>> I like the mention of 2' diameter
>> Cheers Warren
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>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 11:17 AM, Norman Wootan
>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Warren! I etched from printed circuit board material but your
>> laser cutting is more precise and a lot easier! See the Hyde
>> generator or segment design.
>>
>>
>> <http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm>
>>
>> http://rexresearch.com/hyde/hyde.htm Great photos of actual
>> machine components!
>>
>> On 10/10/2018 10:07 AM, Warren Keillor
>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> That is a cute idea, making an air gap variable capacitance
>>> machine.
>>> It is an ideal project for a laser cutting service, rather
>>> than making stupid Christmas ornaments like most people use
>>> them for.
>>> It really doesn't matter which metal they are cutting.
>>> Stainless steel works great, laser cut out from sheet stock.
>>> Caps are usually aluminium, and anodized. I wonder what
>>> shape is needed of each sector? One might also stack machine
>>> them to shape
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 10:57 AM, Norman Wootan
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3013201A/en
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2018 9:50 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4897592.html Mick!
>>> This is the
>>> > machine that Charles Yost published an article on and
>>> the one that I
>>> > built and eventually gave it to Bert Pool, Ft. Worth
>>> Tesla Coil
>>> > Builders group!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 10/10/2018 9:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>> >> https://patents.google.com/patent/US2697793 After you
>>> read this
>>> >> lengthy description of the problem with the Van de
>>> Graff belt
>>> >> transfer method, you will so why they elected to go
>>> the Vacuum
>>> >> dielectric media approach!
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
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