Interesting Patent: Tesla

Hi Lutz,
It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer
allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.
In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps.
(without mentioning power factor).
In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive
and negative.

When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive
answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.
If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that
one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve
Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer.

If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is
reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of
Negative resistance effect.

Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated
fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).

It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully
magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before
being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.

Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current
reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.
Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.

The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic
field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the
Primary.
And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed
direction.

Gerry

Gerry,
Good info mate, thanks.
George

    On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

Hi Lutz,It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive and negative.
When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer. 
If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).
It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.  
Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.   Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary.And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed direction.
Gerry

Gerry,

This is an interesting post indeed.

Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case based on
the subject sentence.


On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Thanks George,
> I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears.
> Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>
> Gerry
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Gerry,
>
>     Good info mate, thanks.
>
>     George
>
>     On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>     [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>      
>     Hi Lutz,
>     It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a
>     transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.
>     In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x
>     Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>     In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between
>     positive and negative.
>
>     When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get
>     positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get
>     positive answer.
>     If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps,
>     so that one of them is Negative whilst the other is still
>     Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer. 
>
>     If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power
>     is reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A
>     sort of Negative resistance effect.
>
>     Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of
>     insulated fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings
>     (at right angles).
>
>     It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become
>     fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each
>     layer before being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.  
>
>     Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input
>     current reaches the secondary winding and induces an output
>     Voltage.   
>     Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>
>     The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own
>     magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers
>     to get back to the Primary..
>     And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed
>     direction.
>
>     Gerry
>
>
>

Gerry! It did not fall on deaf ears!  My argument, precisely on the phase angles of A/C since waves in vector cancellation in counter wound coils! A carefully planned phase delay can make your circuits display some interesting characteristics!.

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  On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Thanks George,I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears.Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
Gerry
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 

 Gerry,
Good info mate, thanks.
George

    On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

Hi Lutz,It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive and negative.
When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer. 
If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).
It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.  
Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.   Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed direction.
Gerry    


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Thanks George,
I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.

Gerry

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Gerry,
>
> Good info mate, thanks.
>
> George
>
> On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Lutz,
> It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer
> allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.
> In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps.
> (without mentioning power factor).
> In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between
> positive and negative.
>
> When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive
> answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.
> If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that
> one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve
> Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer.
>
> If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is
> reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of
> Negative resistance effect.
>
> Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated
> fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).
>
> It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully
> magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before
> being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.
>
> Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current
> reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.
> Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>
> The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic
> field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the
> Primary.
> And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed
> direction.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> 
>

I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!

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  On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Hi Mark & guys,Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in others too..According to https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than air does.Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than air does.And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic flux 200 000 times better than air does
Gerry
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 

 
Gerry,
 
This is an interesting post indeed.
 
 
Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case based on the subject sentence.
 
 
 On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      Thanks George, I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears. Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way. 
  Gerry  
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
  
 
   Gerry, 
  Good info mate, thanks. 
  George
  
      On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
  
          Hi Lutz, It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc. In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor). In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive and negative. 
  When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer. If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a  negative answer.  
  If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect. 
  Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles). 
  It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the next Iron  wire layer.   
  Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.    Giving Tesla the times delay he was after. 
  The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary.. And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed direction. 
  Gerry          
 
   
    
 
 


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Very interesting Gerry.
George

    On Sunday, 7 October 2018, 12:44:14 pm AEDT, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

Hi Mark & guys,Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in others too..According to https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than air does.Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than air does.And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic flux 200 000 times better than air does
Gerry
On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 

 
Gerry,
 
This is an interesting post indeed.
 
 
Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case based on the subject sentence.
 
 
 On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      Thanks George, I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears. Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way. 
  Gerry  
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
  
 
   Gerry, 
  Good info mate, thanks. 
  George
  
      On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
  
          Hi Lutz, It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer allowing for  losses & inefficiencies in the core etc. In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps. (without  mentioning power factor). In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive and negative. 
  When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive answer or if both  Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer. If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that one of them is  Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer.  
  If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is reversed and the load  is supplying power to the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect. 
  Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated fine steel  wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles). 
  It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully magnetised and the  primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.   
  Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current reaches the secondary  winding and induces an output Voltage.    Giving Tesla the times delay he was after. 
  The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic field but it also  has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary.. And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed direction. 
  Gerry

Ok! Guys & Girls, I have posted this before but will do it again for 
those who seam to have missed the boat!

After studying Tesla for 40 years and having read everything about and 
by him in the interem


On 10/6/2018 8:56 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and 
> electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>     Hi Mark & guys,
>     Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in
>     others too..
>     According to
>     https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
>
>     Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than air
>     does.
>     Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than
>     air does.
>     And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic flux
>     200 000 times better than air does
>
>     Gerry
>
>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Gerry,
>
>         This is an interesting post indeed.
>
>         Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case
>         based on the subject sentence.
>
>
>         On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>         Thanks George,
>>         I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on
>>         deaf ears.
>>         Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>>
>>         Gerry
>>
>>         On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>             Gerry,
>>
>>             Good info mate, thanks.
>>
>>             George
>>
>>             On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Hi Lutz,
>>             It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core
>>             of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in
>>             the core etc.
>>             In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked
>>             from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>>             In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps
>>             alternate between positive and negative.
>>
>>             When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive
>>             we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are
>>             negative we also get positive answer.
>>             If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or
>>             the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the
>>             other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps
>>             will give a negative answer.
>>
>>             If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow
>>             of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to
>>             the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
>>
>>             Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing
>>             layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and
>>             secondary windings (at right angles).
>>
>>             It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to
>>             become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to
>>             fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the
>>             next Iron wire layer.
>>
>>             Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary
>>             input current reaches the secondary winding and induces
>>             an output Voltage.
>>             Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>
>>             The load then starts to draw it's own current creating
>>             it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the
>>             Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..
>>             And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already
>>             reversed direction.
>>
>>             Gerry
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Ok! Guys & Girls,I will post again several facts that I gathered from 
researching Tesla for the last 40 years.  I have read about everything 
ever written about or by Tesla.  As pointed out by Gerry, the magnetic 
flux carrying capability of iron at its purest state was the reason 
Tesla said that a fine grade of iron would be key to attaching  to the 
wheel works of nature!   I studied the processes for making iron at its 
most pure state. Two solutions, Carbonyl iron and electrolytic iron.  
these two products can be formed and sinister in a high temp furnace to 
make wire, bar or sheet iron stock to be fashioned into any shape you 
desire and get the performance of iron at its purest state (200,000 flux 
carrying capability). See:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pentacarbonyl

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_powder

Also, I posted the methods for making your copper conductors attain the lowest possible resistance by proper annealing process. The simple act of bending and forming copper changes its resistance values. Proper annealing of a formed part will make a dramatic change in the overall resistance and resistance drops to lowest possible value just short of superconductivity!   The overall idea is get our iron and copper to their highest performance capability!

Interesting! is all the conspiracy ideas that misinformed folks come up with when discussing Tesla and his fine work.   Example is the famous Wardenclyffe Tower and the Tunguska explosion. See the history!
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

So much crap about conspiracy theorys.  There is so much there to learn by carefully studying the old Master, Tesla.


On 10/6/2018 8:56 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and 
> electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>     Hi Mark & guys,
>     Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in
>     others too..
>     According to
>     https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
>
>     Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than air
>     does.
>     Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than
>     air does.
>     And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic flux
>     200 000 times better than air does
>
>     Gerry
>
>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Gerry,
>
>         This is an interesting post indeed.
>
>         Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case
>         based on the subject sentence.
>
>
>         On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>         Thanks George,
>>         I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on
>>         deaf ears.
>>         Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>>
>>         Gerry
>>
>>         On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>             Gerry,
>>
>>             Good info mate, thanks.
>>
>>             George
>>
>>             On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Hi Lutz,
>>             It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core
>>             of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in
>>             the core etc.
>>             In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked
>>             from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>>             In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps
>>             alternate between positive and negative.
>>
>>             When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive
>>             we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are
>>             negative we also get positive answer.
>>             If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or
>>             the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the
>>             other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps
>>             will give a negative answer.
>>
>>             If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow
>>             of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to
>>             the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
>>
>>             Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing
>>             layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and
>>             secondary windings (at right angles).
>>
>>             It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to
>>             become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to
>>             fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the
>>             next Iron wire layer.
>>
>>             Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary
>>             input current reaches the secondary winding and induces
>>             an output Voltage.
>>             Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>
>>             The load then starts to draw it's own current creating
>>             it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the
>>             Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..
>>             And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already
>>             reversed direction.
>>
>>             Gerry
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

https://www.nde-ed.org/GeneralResources/IACS/IACS.htm   103% 
conductivity is worth the investment of doing the annealing process in 
your project!


On 10/7/2018 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Ok! Guys & Girls,I will post again several facts that I gathered from 
> researching Tesla for the last 40 years.  I have read about everything 
> ever written about or by Tesla.  As pointed out by Gerry, the magnetic 
> flux carrying capability of iron at its purest state was the reason 
> Tesla said that a fine grade of iron would be key to attaching  to the 
> wheel works of nature!   I studied the processes for making iron at 
> its most pure state. Two solutions, Carbonyl iron and electrolytic 
> iron. these two products can be formed and sinister in a high temp 
> furnace to make wire, bar or sheet iron stock to be fashioned into any 
> shape you desire and get the performance of iron at its purest state 
> (200,000 flux carrying capability). See:
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pentacarbonyl
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_powder
>
> Also, I posted the methods for making your copper conductors attain the lowest possible resistance by proper annealing process. The simple act of bending and forming copper changes its resistance values. Proper annealing of a formed part will make a dramatic change in the overall resistance and resistance drops to lowest possible value just short of superconductivity!   The overall idea is get our iron and copper to their highest performance capability!
>
> Interesting! is all the conspiracy ideas that misinformed folks come up with when discussing Tesla and his fine work.   Example is the famous Wardenclyffe Tower and the Tunguska explosion. See the history!
>   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
>
> So much crap about conspiracy theorys.  There is so much there to learn by carefully studying the old Master, Tesla.
>
> On 10/6/2018 8:56 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and 
>> electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>     [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>     Hi Mark & guys,
>>     Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in
>>     others too..
>>     According to
>>     https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
>>
>>     Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than
>>     air does.
>>     Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than
>>     air does.
>>     And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic
>>     flux 200 000 times better than air does
>>
>>     Gerry
>>
>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>         Gerry,
>>
>>         This is an interesting post indeed.
>>
>>         Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the
>>         case based on the subject sentence.
>>
>>
>>         On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>         Thanks George,
>>>         I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on
>>>         deaf ears.
>>>         Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>>>
>>>         Gerry
>>>
>>>         On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray
>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Gerry,
>>>
>>>             Good info mate, thanks.
>>>
>>>             George
>>>
>>>             On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>>>             [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>             Hi Lutz,
>>>             It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core
>>>             of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in
>>>             the core etc.
>>>             In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked
>>>             from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>>>             In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps
>>>             alternate between positive and negative.
>>>
>>>             When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive
>>>             we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are
>>>             negative we also get positive answer.
>>>             If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or
>>>             the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the
>>>             other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps
>>>             will give a negative answer.
>>>
>>>             If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow
>>>             of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to
>>>             the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
>>>
>>>             Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing
>>>             layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and
>>>             secondary windings (at right angles).
>>>
>>>             It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to
>>>             become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to
>>>             fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to
>>>             the next Iron wire layer.
>>>
>>>             Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary
>>>             input current reaches the secondary winding and induces
>>>             an output Voltage.
>>>             Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>>
>>>             The load then starts to draw it's own current creating
>>>             it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the
>>>             Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..
>>>             And by this time the phase of the input Volts has
>>>             already reversed direction.
>>>
>>>             Gerry
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>

https://sciencing.com/conductivity-copper-6307070.html


On 10/7/2018 9:21 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> https://www.nde-ed.org/GeneralResources/IACS/IACS.htm 103% 
> conductivity is worth the investment of doing the annealing process in 
> your project!
>
>
> On 10/7/2018 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Ok! Guys & Girls,I will post again several facts that I gathered from 
>> researching Tesla for the last 40 years.  I have read about 
>> everything ever written about or by Tesla.  As pointed out by Gerry, 
>> the magnetic flux carrying capability of iron at its purest state was 
>> the reason Tesla said that a fine grade of iron would be key to 
>> attaching  to the wheel works of nature!   I studied the processes 
>> for making iron at its most pure state. Two solutions, Carbonyl iron 
>> and electrolytic iron.  these two products can be formed and sinister 
>> in a high temp furnace to make wire, bar or sheet iron stock to be 
>> fashioned into any shape you desire and get the performance of iron 
>> at its purest state (200,000 flux carrying capability). See:
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pentacarbonyl
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_powder
>>
>> Also, I posted the methods for making your copper conductors attain the lowest possible resistance by proper annealing process. The simple act of bending and forming copper changes its resistance values. Proper annealing of a formed part will make a dramatic change in the overall resistance and resistance drops to lowest possible value just short of superconductivity!   The overall idea is get our iron and copper to their highest performance capability!
>>
>> Interesting! is all the conspiracy ideas that misinformed folks come up with when discussing Tesla and his fine work.   Example is the famous Wardenclyffe Tower and the Tunguska explosion. See the history!
>>   
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
>>
>> So much crap about conspiracy theorys.  There is so much there to learn by carefully studying the old Master, Tesla.
>>
>> On 10/6/2018 8:56 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and 
>>> electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>     Hi Mark & guys,
>>>     Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in
>>>     others too..
>>>     According to
>>>     https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
>>>
>>>     Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than
>>>     air does.
>>>     Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better
>>>     than air does.
>>>     And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic
>>>     flux 200 000 times better than air does
>>>
>>>     Gerry
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Gerry,
>>>
>>>         This is an interesting post indeed.
>>>
>>>         Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the
>>>         case based on the subject sentence.
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>         Thanks George,
>>>>         I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on
>>>>         deaf ears.
>>>>         Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>>>>
>>>>         Gerry
>>>>
>>>>         On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray
>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Gerry,
>>>>
>>>>             Good info mate, thanks.
>>>>
>>>>             George
>>>>
>>>>             On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Hi Lutz,
>>>>             It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core
>>>>             of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies
>>>>             in the core etc.
>>>>             In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked
>>>>             from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>>>>             In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps
>>>>             alternate between positive and negative.
>>>>
>>>>             When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive
>>>>             we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are
>>>>             negative we also get positive answer.
>>>>             If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or
>>>>             the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the
>>>>             other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps
>>>>             will give a negative answer.
>>>>
>>>>             If input power calculation is Negative it means the
>>>>             flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying
>>>>             power to the power source. A sort of Negative
>>>>             resistance effect.
>>>>
>>>>             Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing
>>>>             layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and
>>>>             secondary windings (at right angles).
>>>>
>>>>             It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to
>>>>             become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to
>>>>             fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to
>>>>             the next Iron wire layer.
>>>>
>>>>             Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary
>>>>             input current reaches the secondary winding and induces
>>>>             an output Voltage.
>>>>             Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>>>
>>>>             The load then starts to draw it's own current creating
>>>>             it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate
>>>>             the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..
>>>>             And by this time the phase of the input Volts has
>>>>             already reversed direction.
>>>>
>>>>             Gerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>
>

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On 10/7/2018 9:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> https://sciencing.com/conductivity-copper-6307070.html
>
>
> On 10/7/2018 9:21 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> https://www.nde-ed.org/GeneralResources/IACS/IACS.htm 103% 
>> conductivity is worth the investment of doing the annealing process 
>> in your project!
>>
>>
>> On 10/7/2018 8:54 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok! Guys & Girls,I will post again several facts that I gathered 
>>> from researching Tesla for the last 40 years.  I have read about 
>>> everything ever written about or by Tesla. As pointed out by Gerry, 
>>> the magnetic flux carrying capability of iron at its purest state 
>>> was the reason Tesla said that a fine grade of iron would be key to 
>>> attaching  to the wheel works of nature!   I studied the processes 
>>> for making iron at its most pure state. Two solutions, Carbonyl iron 
>>> and electrolytic iron.  these two products can be formed and 
>>> sinister in a high temp furnace to make wire, bar or sheet iron 
>>> stock to be fashioned into any shape you desire and get the 
>>> performance of iron at its purest state (200,000 flux carrying 
>>> capability). See:
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pentacarbonyl
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_powder
>>>
>>> Also, I posted the methods for making your copper conductors attain the lowest possible resistance by proper annealing process. The simple act of bending and forming copper changes its resistance values. Proper annealing of a formed part will make a dramatic change in the overall resistance and resistance drops to lowest possible value just short of superconductivity!   The overall idea is get our iron and copper to their highest performance capability!
>>>
>>> Interesting! is all the conspiracy ideas that misinformed folks come up with when discussing Tesla and his fine work.   Example is the famous Wardenclyffe Tower and the Tunguska explosion. See the history!
>>>   
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
>>>
>>> So much crap about conspiracy theorys.  There is so much there to learn by carefully studying the old Master, Tesla.
>>>
>>> On 10/6/2018 8:56 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wrote a post on Teslas' perfect pure iron! Carbonyl Iron and 
>>>> electrolytic iron.  will write more on this tomorrow!
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>>>     [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>     Hi Mark & guys,
>>>>     Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in
>>>>     others too..
>>>>     According to
>>>>     https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html
>>>>
>>>>     Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than
>>>>     air does.
>>>>     Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better
>>>>     than air does.
>>>>     And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic
>>>>     flux 200 000 times better than air does
>>>>
>>>>     Gerry
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Gerry,
>>>>
>>>>         This is an interesting post indeed.
>>>>
>>>>         Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the
>>>>         case based on the subject sentence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>         Thanks George,
>>>>>         I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on
>>>>>         deaf ears.
>>>>>         Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Gerry
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray
>>>>>         [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Gerry,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Good info mate, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>             George
>>>>>
>>>>>             On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Hi Lutz,
>>>>>             It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the
>>>>>             core of a transformer allowing for losses &
>>>>>             inefficiencies in the core etc.
>>>>>             In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked
>>>>>             from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).
>>>>>             In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps
>>>>>             alternate between positive and negative.
>>>>>
>>>>>             When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are
>>>>>             positive we get positive answer or if both Volts and
>>>>>             Amps are negative we also get positive answer.
>>>>>             If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts
>>>>>             or the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst
>>>>>             the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve
>>>>>             Amps will give a negative answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>             If input power calculation is Negative it means the
>>>>>             flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying
>>>>>             power to the power source. A sort of Negative
>>>>>             resistance effect.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing
>>>>>             layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary
>>>>>             and secondary windings (at right angles).
>>>>>
>>>>>             It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to
>>>>>             become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to
>>>>>             fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to
>>>>>             the next Iron wire layer.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Eventually the primary input flux caused by the
>>>>>             primary input current reaches the secondary winding
>>>>>             and induces an output Voltage.
>>>>>             Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>>>>
>>>>>             The load then starts to draw it's own current creating
>>>>>             it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate
>>>>>             the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..
>>>>>             And by this time the phase of the input Volts has
>>>>>             already reversed direction.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Gerry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>
>>
>

Hi Mark & guys,
Tesla mentions this technique in US382202 and US433702 maybe in others too..
According to https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/permeability-d_1923.html

Carbon steel carries magnetic flux about 100 times better than air does.
Soft pure Iron carries magnetic flux about 5000 times better than air does.
And 99.95 % pure Iron annealed in Hydrogen can carry magnetic flux 200 000
times better than air does

Gerry

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 2:26 PM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Gerry,
>
> This is an interesting post indeed.
>
> Where is the patent you are citing?  I assume this is the case based on
> the subject sentence.
>
> On 10/5/2018 2:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Thanks George,
> I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears.
> Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
>
> Gerry
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Gerry,
>>
>> Good info mate, thanks.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry
>> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Lutz,
>> It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer
>> allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.
>> In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps.
>> (without mentioning power factor).
>> In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between
>> positive and negative.
>>
>> When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive
>> answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.
>> If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that
>> one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve
>> Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer.
>>
>> If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is
>> reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of
>> Negative resistance effect.
>>
>> Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated
>> fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).
>>
>> It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully
>> magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before
>> being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.
>>
>> Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current
>> reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.
>> Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
>>
>> The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic
>> field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the
>> Primary..
>> And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed
>> direction.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

Hi Gerry
Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
..also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
Kone

Hi Kone guys,
I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off an
old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.

Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
Have attached some pics.
There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase angle
(Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the secondary.
Tesla's idea seems very good.

On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz with
no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi
corrected

Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW

But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting about
30% more output than the change of input.
Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.

Gerry


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Gerry
> Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i
> wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
> ...also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of
> flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the
> latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very
> quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if
> hollow pipes or chamber...
> Kone
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: [email protected]
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hector is 100% correct about the construction of the ferroresonant 
transformers. Here are some of the units that I scrapped down. on the 
bench are the air cooled IGBT driver packs and the 5KVA transformer. 
They operated on 48VDC input to hammer out 208/120 VAC output. Tearing 
them down for copper, found construction just as you are playing with.


On 10/8/2018 2:29 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> do the same with an off shelve ferroresonant transformer ( bingo! )
>
> you get 7 times the power input !   ( transverter )
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Kone guys,
> I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding 
> off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
> Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
>
> Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
> Have attached some pics.
> There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase 
> angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
> Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the 
> secondary.
> Tesla's idea seems very good.
>
> On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz 
> with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
> On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi 
> corrected
>
> Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>
> But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting 
> about 30% more output than the change of input.
> Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>     On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM konehead@... <mailto:konehead@...>
>     [EVGRAY] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi Gerry
>         Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft
>         iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is
>         available to public
>         ...also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the
>         amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of
>         saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe
>         this stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium
>         magnets....might make for a good water heater if hollow pipes
>         or chamber...
>         Kone
>
>
>         ------------------------------------
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>         ------------------------------------
>
>
>         ------------------------------------
>
>         Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>         [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
>

do the same with an off shelve ferroresonant transformer  ( bingo! ) 

you get 7 times the power input !   ( transverter ) 

---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :

 Hi Kone guys, I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
 Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
 

 Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
 Have attached some pics.
 There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
 Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the secondary.
 Tesla's idea seems very good.
 

 On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
 On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi corrected
 

 Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
 

 But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting about 30% more output than the change of input.
 Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
 

 Gerry
 



 On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

 Hi Gerry
 Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
 ...also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
 Kone
 
 
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Excellent work Gerry, thanks for the information!


On 10/7/2018 9:16 AM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Hi Kone guys,
> I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding
> off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
> Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
>
> Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
> Have attached some pics.
> There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase
> angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
> Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the
> secondary.
> Tesla's idea seems very good.
>
> On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz
> with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
> On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi
> corrected
>
> Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>
> But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting
> about 30% more output than the change of input.
> Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Gerry
>     Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft
>     iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available
>     to public
>     ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the
>     amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of
>     saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this
>     stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium magnets....might
>     make for a good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
>     Kone
>
>
>     ------------------------------------
>     Posted by: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     ------------------------------------
>
>
>     ------------------------------------
>
>     Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>         [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
>

HectorNow that I have a practical application for the transverter, it is soon time to finally hook it up.I need 220 volts and 10 amps of 60 hz ac from a 120 volt supply.We know that it can be done with rotoverters, but would need a lot of them, if the four that I have now, are any indication.A word to those rotoverter builders:Put the best kind of bearings in them that you can afford, seals and all.I feel it was a mistake to gut the seals, as I did on one motor.It is true, it saves 200 ma, but reliability, and longevity of trouble free use really matters more.It is annoying to have to press a switch every time you must start one up, temporarily engaging the start capacitor, but they are reliable.Three phase motors are either free, or very expensive, depending on luck, and where you live.The transverter shouldn't need that start cap. I don't know, since I haven't got mine going yet.I know how to run the rotoverter.What does one need for such a large amount of 220 volt power, with transverter apparatus?Cheers Warren

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  On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 3:29 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
do the same with an off shelve ferroresonant transformer  ( bingo! ) 

you get 7 times the power input !   ( transverter ) 


---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :

Hi Kone guys,I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
Made some measurements at low power only (so far).Have attached some pics.There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the secondary.Tesla's idea seems very good.
On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi corrected
Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting about 30% more output than the change of input.Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
Gerry


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM konehead@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Gerry
Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
Kone


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Gerry,

Can you please provide the Tesla patent or writings that led you to the
use of a magnetic flux shield to outsmart Lenz?


On 10/8/2018 8:27 AM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Hi Mick & guys,
> Thanks for the responses all.
> Today I tried higher power levels at 50Hz with up to 42.8W input 
> giving just 18W output.
> My inadequate florist wire windings with not enough layers quickly
> saturate.... it could be better.
>
> Just wanted to show Tesla's idea.... in a properly designed
> transformer it seems very neat way to avoid Lenz effect.
> The Lenz flux coming back from the secondary seems to rout itself
> around the outside of the primary coil, 
>  through the florist soft wire shield rather than back into the
> primary coil itself (up to a point).
>
> It seems a useful tool to have in our armoury & could help with other
> designs bi toroidal Heinz Thane etc.
> By shielding the input coil I mean.
>
> Thanks for suggesting the approach Lutz if you're out there.
> Gerry
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:56 AM Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>     Excellent work Gerry, thanks for the information!
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>     On 10/7/2018 9:16 AM, Gerry [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>     Hi Kone guys,
>>     I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary
>>     winding off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
>>     Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took
>>     a while.
>>
>>     Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
>>     Have attached some pics.
>>     There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of
>>     phase angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
>>     Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the
>>     secondary.
>>     Tesla's idea seems very good.
>>
>>     On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at
>>     50Hz with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
>>     On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power...
>>     Cos phi corrected
>>
>>     Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>>
>>     But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're
>>     getting about 30% more output than the change of input.
>>     Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this
>>     part.
>>
>>     Gerry
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>         Hi Gerry
>>         Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft
>>         iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is
>>         available to public
>>         ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how
>>         the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about
>>         speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed,
>>         also maybe this stuff gets super hot very quick against
>>         neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if
>>         hollow pipes or chamber...
>>         Kone
>>
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