Re: [EVGRAY] Interesting Patent: Tesla

Database ID: 109899
2018-10-05T22:16:23+00:00
Norman Wootan <[email protected]>

← View thread

Message-ID
In-Reply-To: <CAD7GjUQxaPpLHMQ4zOAp=hJsCDvdfqrUb37gTX2YsaG3GiVchg@mail.gmail.com>

Body

Gerry! It did not fall on deaf ears!  My argument, precisely on the phase angles of A/C since waves in vector cancellation in counter wound coils! A carefully planned phase delay can make your circuits display some interesting characteristics!.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Thanks George,I wasn't sure anyone understood..... it seemed to fall on deaf ears.Hope you got some of the wet stuff up your way.
Gerry
On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:52 PM george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 

 Gerry,
Good info mate, thanks.
George

    On Tuesday, 2 October 2018, 8:49:58 am AEST, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

Hi Lutz,It takes certain amount of energy to magnetise the core of a transformer allowing for losses & inefficiencies in the core etc.In DC and alternating circuits, input power is worked from Volts x Amps. (without mentioning power factor).In AC circuits both the input Volts and the Amps alternate between positive and negative.
When we multiply Volts times Amps, if both are positive we get positive answer or if both Volts and Amps are negative we also get positive answer.If we can introduce a time delay to either the Volts or the Amps, so that one of them is Negative whilst the other is still Positive. Then the +ve Volts x -ve Amps will give a negative answer. 
If input power calculation is Negative it means the flow of power is reversed and the load is supplying power to the power source. A sort of Negative resistance effect.
Tesla's method was to introduce this delay by placing layers of insulated fine steel wire between primary and secondary windings (at right angles).
It takes a certain time for each layer of Iron wire to become fully magnetised and the primary flux, has to fully saturate each layer before being transmitted to the next Iron wire layer.  
Eventually the primary input flux caused by the primary input current reaches the secondary winding and induces an output Voltage.   Giving Tesla the times delay he was after.
The load then starts to draw it's own current creating it's own magnetic field but it also has to negotiate the Iron wire layers to get back to the Primary..And by this time the phase of the input Volts has already reversed direction.
Gerry    


  #yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089 -- #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp #yiv0911769089hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp #yiv0911769089ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp .yiv0911769089ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp .yiv0911769089ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mkp .yiv0911769089ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ygrp-lc #yiv0911769089hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ygrp-lc .yiv0911769089ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089activity span .yiv0911769089underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 dd.yiv0911769089last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 dd.yiv0911769089last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 dd.yiv0911769089last p span.yiv0911769089yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089file-title a, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089file-title a:active, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089file-title a:hover, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089photo-title a, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089photo-title a:active, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089photo-title a:hover, #yiv0911769089 div.yiv0911769089photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 div#yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg #yiv0911769089ygrp-msg p a span.yiv0911769089yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv0911769089 o {font-size:0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv0911769089 .yiv0911769089replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv0911769089 input, #yiv0911769089 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv0911769089 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-mlmsg #yiv0911769089logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-msg p#yiv0911769089attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-reco #yiv0911769089reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-sponsor #yiv0911769089ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv0911769089 #yiv0911769089ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv0911769089

References

<CAD7GjUSqk9YZ0OpMSNHi3YL33Ap57S7Zz7O8aLqQj2+ypCgSzg@mail.gmail.com>
<[email protected]>
<CAD7GjUQxaPpLHMQ4zOAp=hJsCDvdfqrUb37gTX2YsaG3GiVchg@mail.gmail.com>

Headers

Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Sender [email protected]
X-Apparently-To [email protected]
X-Received (qmail 1496 invoked by uid 102); 5 Oct 2018 22:16:28 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.196.204.226) by m10.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2018 22:16:28 -0000
X-Received (qmail 13346 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2018 22:16:28 -0000
X-Received from unknown (HELO mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.201.194.219) by mtaq3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2018 22:16:28 -0000
X-Original-Return-Path <[email protected]>
X-Received-SPF none (domain of att.net does not designate permitted sender hosts)
X-YMailISG gB.gK_QWLDsHwEdktKwbRO.57i5IqfBO.z7wDnTVrAX1q4Kl sCNZaRuR9ZN8igLXEwbhjtrIoj9WpH4wYnWO6824Dxs8ZGw7u.wJe52qd_EP 03My2OEYlx_6AqjVKiCwEjfpONDrOqA3pV3lcD65Zb_YvMIJGBTApZpTQS3d aOf8hFEM8y3EmcE98aLhCom5pkTR0iqkgmapZ5zy0MHwpumt58s8_mN7mxvY galMxp3HUN.6kuhVAz.1J0TKPd3YOxnOLCge7IxtZxtB73v2HmoeGJzuiFg6 Pjk.WN2tMfh959md59wQPWUx.NthId0AHfJHeLxzylPsEwsPrrZzFJdCC4Cd 9dPy8sADbGOexHsmogonAPrVMq_HVzKwGhIrXPZ5svYYc3_rNpzDXAcPK2lA cPMn.1VKUYV3Vd6gkFvpWaiubgQjurr49Buywy4BlYlojL6jtl3SnY_HjJof DB3ul9xLvVRkCxKrLGsthR7uaz_Y3vLBHNUWVe1j_KWVUcQspzZ5Ssrl..d7 TrzdTuGVdJZZYC6TmG2ZNQ5E.p7Illq6zUGNUw9spxAv2QoNcr9aElpy7SaY Sc1MhX6s5k_9amQR4kdckfyPmgDCr8g_dNgbXp4vAqMKYg9czmVOE5QJaFfu jAClM.6og4Zm47Wf1C4JFO60zKu5fGM5jpH.AGh64ZZhtDrluARinbZd0mW0 _ZKn7aa0KmsDvr26wi7BSgrv4LXycXzN1SWo.XsNdGpO54h63JeRDi3pgy.k prmkPgl.il4IC7Asu.QOpeSMKdk2IFPngqUAEelzZwt9X7zqZRqysgr9mwqg 3ed1e67WKpdNPBQDksYCBZ8hSZIIqscmQm_kSYI2mm.R9Ist.LrgHFgfq791 SJ9wkXxvzsnkEV8PkD7zQ4nPfFiG7cTX08USeCv0UVBkJ0KNBEpFzjLo395Y 5ZWc47W.CT9cMQUxhnDNGJ_pmia5JIY4jdqwRLBSvaXl9K4o6iSxE1jJqfky PCeR8zdRF6rhAKhoo8Il_LsLe_c8wrOiYvwYvLAKak_wvKInEoU3TBej_Zx1 1kbmj7EyRRfhBFhFA4WwVvwYYWHS8jk7k2MCMRcaY9KD6Vl.FvoABSeYf5Hq Z9iR9g3GTV851UkaTUQbgmWD..zug_2SYqJ36wmjEmsD36rugLOFzOKsSjgd Cq39mDtBEnQfzM_fIDLpOEAdH4WWnE9KPglR1q5veUvgDut1yS2ntvwg_Bvs hpCG3guUAtROVSafc7OyFA1RwQE6VvG4QQmoanhm7a.S_r22LpdEfjmMaoVp VadgfmK8COZdQK3L4jm4NQiNIthR4Xw2PgvqPywfcINdNoP3_ZGCc8KRm4WA ggG7du1xgScFi5g-
Authentication-Results mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com from=att.net; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=att.net; dkim=pass (ok)
X-Received from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO sonic305-7.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com) (74.6.133.46) by mta4001.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:16:27 +0000
X-YMail-OSG PjRdOlcVM1m3YEznRgFB4ZleWfFZTLD237uE3lAj4Lvq6FeRMKIvA.ABMFXMIqA RJpYC3kTiQ6VMlgnUZjPX6UayE.j5HRVXNIUmofFLgndgIkAXcd0FoRVOasXV.spqzHtRtoxQEHE tQjmWqbCQ3dqVGYp_TsytOh9UZZIKzoI5ykBO2ptrcQgAy7S6WpDIFMtDNzt99mYcGc6U0zg_Vx5 nH4KMwmhRrs9jfcgXSYUPmI3ao3SLPwD.TY_iUIqo4SQKyotN6QzSdOoHTarmhngBI.Os34RlxjM QCt300sMCPVZ_HXcdqV2TMAfenTtlaqOWTrgr9f8GgP44HPyFkVc7XRzMmonFnuxGOBownQutGG4 wECV8PL4ErledqNyfeGs9E5rTRId5tm8kACECdrM1IA7BcPVeQV6dM.9E86Ojr9iIW04TMxIvqWL K4LrgUBi.ldzeW6pv4ixd1epRBu_h_LNe9Ti38oSKfQJqeJF0HvJZCxaKeDL0OA_N386PfiAtGJN QQSuTFMZAewa8Z2uJ6K86aQEX15OpymXDm3VhkKdG78C8LRRDnp7KfjK4Tb6gK9V.7h65qj_hJLH PgZIpBZRHC2kzdsj9Pke40ns_6mdPepu72nH6zoRAkwrjFz.dVblA7I.qhyN.Hey__p4ZefP33im b_GLBPISifjeRHytJPgt3o5x41CMmWQg7X96ImTfPwVr64kjS2FJ9tJBdrhrSieT26Nlk_HN9zNc p4aVPBV4.p4L_.yUy3BVz7AcGEoLoZZI6QRxssBOP3eH9Rz9.u9XPjs5UuKFsrQI9D3pS_x8D3FJ 3SKVjLo8w4hmLSpFSKGHPh0PIeSK5unnPmnOuzajFyzgKgsOWL1QR2Arb_dws7jK8gDatxBoIN.U 9fsnIAJnqq2pCyCuLspTt1NtH2zQQ_wn72oq_98.y5chKmhwEVvx6bJp3vbMtOhR489E.nAOeDnI 9i6vRuCPIZmuBjFPMqlMnVGgIR1f_TmaEaK6t14ZitmomK7fY4nZWqCvEWq8qzZu05yGjUdeO9oa d3T9a5H_t36JqZ9d4pRKBoTVmzZgWyw--
X-Received from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 5 Oct 2018 22:16:27 +0000
Date Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:16:23 +0000
To "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Message-ID <[email protected]>
In-Reply-To <CAD7GjUQxaPpLHMQ4zOAp=hJsCDvdfqrUb37gTX2YsaG3GiVchg@mail.gmail.com>
References <CAD7GjUSqk9YZ0OpMSNHi3YL33Ap57S7Zz7O8aLqQj2+ypCgSzg@mail.gmail.com> <[email protected]> <CAD7GjUQxaPpLHMQ4zOAp=hJsCDvdfqrUb37gTX2YsaG3GiVchg@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version 1.0
Content-Type multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5171201_1609953120.1538777783089"
X-Mailer WebService/1.1.12512 YahooMailAndroidMobile YMobile/1.0 (com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail/5.32.1; Android/8.0.0; R16NW; dream2qltesq; samsung; SM-G955U; 5.94; 2076x1080;)
Content-Length 30437
X-Originating-IP 10.201.194.219
Reply-To "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject Re: [EVGRAY] Interesting Patent: Tesla
X-Yahoo-Group-Post member; u=554418533; y=BQcu6VKmz9T_7ro3aew_NPpssFPrN21bG9WcmWkCroDNXvt6h_IEzjn7
X-Yahoo-Profile [email protected]
From Norman Wootan <[email protected]>