Interesting Patent: Tesla

A 3 phase transformer use as ferroresonant one and resonance with the proper winding ratio and core impedance hi Q and resonance and as told learn to vectorize that resonant state to an useful load without detuning ...

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---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Hector Now that I have a practical application for the transverter, it is soon time to finally hook it up.
 I need 220 volts and 10 amps of 60 hz ac from a 120 volt supply.
 We know that it can be done with rotoverters, but would need a lot of them, if the four that I have now, are any indication.
 A word to those rotoverter builders:
 Put the best kind of bearings in them that you can afford, seals and all.
 I feel it was a mistake to gut the seals, as I did on one motor.
 It is true, it saves 200 ma, but reliability, and longevity of trouble free use really matters more.
 It is annoying to have to press a switch every time you must start one up, temporarily engaging the start capacitor, but they are reliable.
 Three phase motors are either free, or very expensive, depending on luck, and where you live.
 The transverter shouldn't need that start cap. I don't know, since I haven't got mine going yet.
 I know how to run the rotoverter.
 What does one need for such a large amount of 220 volt power, with transverter apparatus?
 Cheers Warren

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 On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 at 3:29 AM, arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   do the same with an off shelve ferroresonant transformer  ( bingo! ) 

you get 7 times the power input !   ( transverter ) 
 

---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :

 Hi Kone guys, I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
 Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
 

 Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
 Have attached some pics.
 There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
 Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the secondary.
 Tesla's idea seems very good.
 

 On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
 On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi corrected
 

 Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
 

 But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting about 30% more output than the change of input.
 Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
 

 Gerry
 



 On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

 Hi Gerry
 Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
 ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
 Kone
 
 
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On 10/8/2018 1:23 PM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Hi Mick,
> Yes sure, I have attached it here it is US433702.
> He starts speaking about it at Para 10 it isn't very long but it needs
> to be read slowly & thoughtfully.
> They used to call Voltage the "Tension" or Tension level.
>
> Hope it makes sense 
> Gerry
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:34 AM Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     Gerry,
>
>     Can you please provide the Tesla patent or writings that led you
>     to the use of a magnetic flux shield to outsmart Lenz?
>
>
>     On 10/8/2018 8:27 AM, Gerry [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>     Hi Mick & guys,
>>     Thanks for the responses all.
>>     Today I tried higher power levels at 50Hz with up to 42.8W input 
>>     giving just 18W output.
>>     My inadequate florist wire windings with not enough layers
>>     quickly saturate.... it could be better.
>>
>>     Just wanted to show Tesla's idea.... in a properly designed
>>     transformer it seems very neat way to avoid Lenz effect.
>>     The Lenz flux coming back from the secondary seems to rout itself
>>     around the outside of the primary coil, 
>>      through the florist soft wire shield rather than back into the
>>     primary coil itself (up to a point).
>>
>>     It seems a useful tool to have in our armoury & could help with
>>     other designs bi toroidal Heinz Thane etc.
>>     By shielding the input coil I mean.
>>
>>     Thanks for suggesting the approach Lutz if you're out there.
>>     Gerry
>>
>>     On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:56 AM Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>         Excellent work Gerry, thanks for the information!
>>
>>
>>         On 10/7/2018 9:16 AM, Gerry [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>         Hi Kone guys,
>>>         I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary
>>>         winding off an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
>>>         Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which
>>>         took a while.
>>>
>>>         Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
>>>         Have attached some pics.
>>>         There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change
>>>         of phase angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
>>>         Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on
>>>         the secondary.
>>>         Tesla's idea seems very good.
>>>
>>>         On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted
>>>         power at 50Hz with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
>>>         On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total
>>>         power... Cos phi corrected
>>>
>>>         Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>>>
>>>         But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so
>>>         we're getting about 30% more output than the change of input.
>>>         Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing
>>>         this part.
>>>
>>>         Gerry
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Hi Gerry
>>>             Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than
>>>             soft iron...i wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure
>>>             iron is available to public
>>>             ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as
>>>             how the amount of flux it can carry but also I wonder
>>>             about speed  of saturation and the latching and Dr
>>>             latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot
>>>             very quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a
>>>             good water heater if hollow pipes or chamber...
>>>             Kone
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>             ------------------------------------
>>>
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>>>
>>>                 [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Hi Mick & guys,
Thanks for the responses all.
Today I tried higher power levels at 50Hz with up to 42.8W input  giving
just 18W output.
My inadequate florist wire windings with not enough layers quickly
saturate.... it could be better.

Just wanted to show Tesla's idea.... in a properly designed transformer it
seems very neat way to avoid Lenz effect.
The Lenz flux coming back from the secondary seems to rout itself around
the outside of the primary coil,
 through the florist soft wire shield rather than back into the primary
coil itself (up to a point).

It seems a useful tool to have in our armoury & could help with other
designs bi toroidal Heinz Thane etc.
By shielding the input coil I mean.

Thanks for suggesting the approach Lutz if you're out there.
Gerry

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:56 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Excellent work Gerry, thanks for the information!
>
> On 10/7/2018 9:16 AM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Hi Kone guys,
> I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off an
> old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
> Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
>
> Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
> Have attached some pics.
> There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase angle
> (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
> Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the secondary.
> Tesla's idea seems very good.
>
> On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz
> with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
> On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi
> corrected
>
> Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>
> But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting
> about 30% more output than the change of input.
> Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerry
>> Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i
>> wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
>> ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount of
>> flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the
>> latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very
>> quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if
>> hollow pipes or chamber...
>> Kone
>>
>>
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>> Posted by: [email protected]
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>

Hi Mick,
Yes sure, I have attached it here it is US433702.
He starts speaking about it at Para 10 it isn't very long but it needs to
be read slowly & thoughtfully.
They used to call Voltage the "Tension" or Tension level.

Hope it makes sense
Gerry

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:34 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Gerry,
>
> Can you please provide the Tesla patent or writings that led you to the
> use of a magnetic flux shield to outsmart Lenz?
>
> On 10/8/2018 8:27 AM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mick & guys,
> Thanks for the responses all.
> Today I tried higher power levels at 50Hz with up to 42.8W input  giving
> just 18W output.
> My inadequate florist wire windings with not enough layers quickly
> saturate.... it could be better.
>
> Just wanted to show Tesla's idea.... in a properly designed transformer it
> seems very neat way to avoid Lenz effect.
> The Lenz flux coming back from the secondary seems to rout itself around
> the outside of the primary coil,
>  through the florist soft wire shield rather than back into the primary
> coil itself (up to a point).
>
> It seems a useful tool to have in our armoury & could help with other
> designs bi toroidal Heinz Thane etc.
> By shielding the input coil I mean.
>
> Thanks for suggesting the approach Lutz if you're out there.
> Gerry
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:56 AM Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Excellent work Gerry, thanks for the information!
>>
>> On 10/7/2018 9:16 AM, Gerry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Kone guys,
>> I made up a rough version of the Tesla idea using a primary winding off
>> an old Microwave Oven Transformer (MOT).
>> Wrapped the winding with some painted florist wire ...which took a while.
>>
>> Made some measurements at low power only (so far).
>> Have attached some pics.
>> There is a huge improvement meaning reduction in the change of phase
>> angle (Cos phi) measuring from off load to on load.
>> Which implies the primary doesn't "see" the complete load on the
>> secondary.
>> Tesla's idea seems very good.
>>
>> On test my simple transformer consumed 0.142 W of wasted power at 50Hz
>> with no load ...Cos phi phase corrected.
>> On 10 Ohms load transformer consumes 0.182 W of total power... Cos phi
>> corrected
>>
>> Output power into 10 Ohm load was 50.8 mW
>>
>> But total increase into transformer was only 39.3 mW so we're getting
>> about 30% more output than the change of input.
>> Will try at higher power levels but need caution when doing this part.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 12:26 AM [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gerry
>>> Wow 200,000 times better than air, 40 times better than soft iron...i
>>> wonder igbthid hydrogen annealled pure iron is available to public
>>> ....also I wonder just what exactly "better" is such as how the amount
>>> of flux it can carry but also I wonder about speed  of saturation and the
>>> latching and Dr latching speed, also maybe this stuff gets super hot very
>>> quick against neodymium magnets....might make for a good water heater if
>>> hollow pipes or chamber...
>>> Kone
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>> Posted by: [email protected]
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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