method and hardware for overunity transform
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[1/31] method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-26T16:06:05+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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The idea of having an RV motor is to develop low lenz law effect generators tool #1 One RV motor & tuneable start cap decade box 7.5 HP 3 phase motor the best ... tool #2 one generator , can be Newman , kones , or whatever out there claimed to be OU tool #3 one inverter to run your RV 1200W 96% efficiency modified sinewave perfect for RV . micelaneous , battery , diode bridges , charge regulator , capacitors wiring connectors & the such .... rules ... If the generator is OU in will loop , as long as you transform its energy efficiently to charge the battery you use to more amperage or zero amperage demand from battery as battery is charged and run at same time (kone did that with his motor ) ran in hyper-waves of charge discharge cycles ... But the ones doing the testing knew shit about the concept ,,, declared in non OU .... as Normans MRA ... they pretended a butterfly to carry a brick ! Ask yourselves WHY i post certain PARTS & pieces the reason is that you can convert them into RE hi power beast tools ... Sample is the brushed generators , they can be CONVERTED to EV gray or NEWMAN motors Easy and they are KILLOWATT devices not bendini little girl motor toys .. The thing is YOU people NEED to FIRST create the TOOLS then WORK on the freaking METHODS and Stop getting brainsucked by every BULLSHIT video out there , I give description Plans , schematics , Working devices as the RV so you can make multy use tools for your personal research & learning .... http://cgg1.com/ST%202-bearing%20120-240V.htm http://cgg1.com/ST%202-bearing%20120-240V.htm i had being telling for years normal generators can be made into EV gray motors as this generators run either as NEWMAN , KONEMOTOR , or EV gray motor or EM RV motors so you guys can do real NO bullshit research ! using off the shelf stuff look at this ! its KILLOWATT Capable stuff not bullshit toys ! so stop diving head on into cow ass made videos and start working on reality ! before you all suffocate in the bullshit! . (H)
[2/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-26T18:13:29+00:00
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martin7730
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Hi Hector, I have been on and off looking at Evgray. Can you give me an update on how your situation is. Are you running off of one of your devices for power. John
[3/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-26T18:22:00+00:00
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Mick
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Hector, With all due respect the RV is a bit pricey unless one has access to the 3 phase motor. Where I live there are no salvage yards for this stuff so it means about 700 bucks and funds are spread pretty thin at the moment. Of course your right it's probably the best tool avaialble to study the effects and whats what. After learning the RV part I don't know how much energy one can derive from the 7.5HP RV with further mods like adjustable multiphase PLL timing, freq and duty. Of course not considering the dangerous looping type freak show DC turbine energy just something reliable and safe. At first glance the brush genset seems a potential better source for power one can use to run ones house after proper mods. I don't know the answer to this but you seem to. Is there a simple way to move the RV to a multikillowatt generator or easier and less costly to use the brushed genset? Some of the people here who have built the RV are looking for something to power a house and you have not provided the next step only hinted at it. This is why people here are sticking their heads in the wrong places.
[4/31] Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-26T19:24:38+00:00
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Warren Keillor
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A brushed genset?What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft. It is totally reliable for making dc power.I did that for twenty years to supply power from the wind. Now I want to switch from wind to flywheel inertia just because I have seen people doing it on videos. The apparatus looks simple enough to construct from what I have on hand.Cheers Warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform Hector, With all due respect the RV is a bit pricey unless one has access to the 3 phase motor. Where I live there are no salvage yards for this stuff so it means about 700 bucks and funds are spread pretty thin at the moment. Of course your right it's probably the best tool avaialble to study the effects and whats what. After learning the RV part I don't know how much energy one can derive from the 7.5HP RV with further mods like adjustable multiphase PLL timing, freq and duty. Of course not considering the dangerous looping type freak show DC turbine energy just something reliable and safe. At first glance the brush genset seems a potential better source for power one can use to run ones house after proper mods. I don't know the answer to this but you seem to. Is there a simple way to move the RV to a multikillowatt generator or easier and less costly to use the brushed genset? Some of the people here who have built the RV are looking for something to power a house and you have not provided the next step only hinted at it. 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[5/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T00:33:37+00:00
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onielsen2000
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Hi Warren, "What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft" With a wound rotor it is easy to control the output voltage from the stator by changing the magnetism of the rotor. With a permanent magnet rotor the output voltage is given by the rotational speed and some constant parameters. This makes it harder to control the output voltage. Hector's rotoverter video: 7:08 RotoVerter Demo Part 3 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPWi6Csuxg 31K views8 years ago CC 3:57 RotoVerter Demo Part 2 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9popvgX_c 40K views8 years ago CC 7:55 RotoVerter Demo Part 1 of 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo105K views8 years ago The power calculations in the videos are the apparent power VA. This is the vector sum of the real (aka active) power (W) and the reactive power (VAr). If the high current in the normal running motor (part 3) is inductive current this motor should not consume much power. But of course the high current works against the resistance of the windings which generates heat and heat dissipation is real power. I guess this is not the secret of over-unity?! It has to be combined to a super-efficient generator or pulses of power have to oscillate between the motor and generator to do the trick. Regards Ole ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote : A brushed genset? What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft. It is totally reliable for making dc power. I did that for twenty years to supply power from the wind. Now I want to switch from wind to flywheel inertia just because I have seen people doing it on videos. The apparatus looks simple enough to construct from what I have on hand. Cheers Warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:22 PM Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform Hector, With all due respect the RV is a bit pricey unless one has access to the 3 phase motor. Where I live there are no salvage yards for this stuff so it means about 700 bucks and funds are spread pretty thin at the moment. Of course your right it's probably the best tool avaialble to study the effects and whats what. After learning the RV part I don't know how much energy one can derive from the 7.5HP RV with further mods like adjustable multiphase PLL timing, freq and duty. Of course not considering the dangerous looping type freak show DC turbine energy just something reliable and safe. At first glance the brush genset seems a potential better source for power one can use to run ones house after proper mods. I don't know the answer to this but you seem to. Is there a simple way to move the RV to a multikillowatt generator or easier and less costly to use the brushed genset? Some of the people here who have built the RV are looking for something to power a house and you have not provided the next step only hinted at it. This is why people here are sticking their heads in the wrong places.
[6/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T00:37:57+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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I ran with battery power 8 days no drain from a car battery , we have power now but don't know for how long , the reason we were the only place to have power fast is than on a Ω company reunion i advised them for redundant use of the mayaguez coast power plants to drive the hospitals in the city and i am hooked with government , hospitals & emergency in the same grid evil me ! the rest of the island was not so lucky ... we do ran short on food supplies fast and now is that be are starting to get into the normal supply spectrum , still good bottled water is hard to get. many had to manage with the filters '''' in case of thermonuclear war everything will be fucked "will use other source" but maybe i prefer to be in ground zero when it does happen ,,,, like the bible say some will be transformed in an instant ( maybe into atomic smoke ) LOL ! Anyway I am preparing For the storm, Can work on 11 10 6 meters FM mode to contact people far away when the internet gets screwed, little by little setting up & preparing this concrete shitting building into a city bunker and is exhausting .... my remaining needs shortwave transceivers tools as plasma cutters & welders & the such .... I am stocking foods & other stuff including tactical assault 1.75 pounder one shot one kill meat cleaver .... Very nasty mother ! only looking at it makes anyone shit on its pants ... even i am afraid to have a mishap and cut myself with this mean looking mother ..... so sharp you can shave a hairy fly ass with it ! LOL ! (H) ---In [email protected], <martin7730@...> wrote : Hi Hector, I have been on and off looking at Evgray. Can you give me an update on how your situation is. Are you running off of one of your devices for power. John
[7/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T00:54:08+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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power factor was unity (1) no VA just pure Watts .. kill a watt adjusted & read the reason for the EM ( rotation locked) PF adjustable , non saturating rotary field = less loss ( read EVgray patent ) the PM 40 phases design was for making a non saturating super heavy duty no need to capacitor rectify overlapping sine pulse generator (H)
[8/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T01:39:03+00:00
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onielsen2000
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Hi Hector, The washing machine motor must have had a bad power factor when running without any load? This figure is copied and pasted from here: http://www.the-power-factor-site.com/Motor-Power-Factor.html http://www.the-power-factor-site.com/Motor-Power-Factor.html The rotoverter then balances out the inductive current with an equal and opposite capacitive current which is actually resonance. I.e. the inductive reactance equals the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign and leaves the impedance at only the real part which is the resistance of the wires (and mechanical load on the rotor). When being a parallel LC-tank https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit#Parallel_LC_circuit the supply current is small while the current between the reactive parts (inductance and capacitance) can be great. This gives a normal powerful field in the motor without taking reactive power from the supply. The reactive power is maintained by the parallel LC-tank formed by the motor winding and capacitor. The stored energy oscillates between those two parts as reactive power. Regards Ole ---In [email protected], <arkresearch@...> wrote : power factor was unity (1) no VA just pure Watts .. kill a watt adjusted & read the reason for the EM ( rotation locked) PF adjustable , non saturating rotary field = less loss ( read EVgray patent ) the PM 40 phases design was for making a non saturating super heavy duty no need to capacitor rectify overlapping sine pulse generator (H)
[9/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T03:03:00+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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the washing machine motor has NO capacitor uses 90degre lagging winding instead ...and RV can be tuned to load in Unity or leading as capacitive element is leading to line in its power factor . also the impedance differs much ,,,,23 ohms versus 600+ to infinite & - (negative) on a running RV EM motor that can be made to run into the negative by leading power factor .. so there is NO comparison of a normal motor performance to an RV mode motor operated performance be it in Synchronous EM , PM or asynchronous system . (H) ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote : Hi Hector, The washing machine motor must have had a bad power factor when running without any load? This figure is copied and pasted from here: http://www.the-power-factor-site.com/Motor-Power-Factor.html http://www.the-power-factor-site.com/Motor-Power-Factor.html The rotoverter then balances out the inductive current with an equal and opposite capacitive current which is actually resonance. I.e. the inductive reactance equals the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign and leaves the impedance at only the real part which is the resistance of the wires (and mechanical load on the rotor). When being a parallel LC-tank https://wiki2.org/en/LC_circuit#Parallel_LC_circuit the supply current is small while the current between the reactive parts (inductance and capacitance) can be great. This gives a normal powerful field in the motor without taking reactive power from the supply. The reactive power is maintained by the parallel LC-tank formed by the motor winding and capacitor. The stored energy oscillates between those two parts as reactive power. Regards Ole ---In [email protected], <arkresearch@...> wrote : power factor was unity (1) no VA just pure Watts .. kill a watt adjusted & read the reason for the EM ( rotation locked) PF adjustable , non saturating rotary field = less loss ( read EVgray patent ) the PM 40 phases design was for making a non saturating super heavy duty no need to capacitor rectify overlapping sine pulse generator (H)
[10/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T03:06:19+00:00
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Warren Keillor
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OleI never worried about the output voltage of my wind generator motors because the load went into deep cycle lead acid batteries with a total of 880 amp hours.This brought the voltage, no matter what it was, to the charge level of the batteries. It became, as it were, an endless consumer of the charge much like peeing in a lake. You rarely saw a fluctuation of the voltage at the batteries. They just stayed on float, yet the wind was always going up and down.This seemed to suit the batteries far better than dock power supplied electricity to conventional battery chargers, to the batteries.However with no batteries, it will take some study. I feel it can be solved.Cheers Warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 7:34 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: Hi Warren, "What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft" With a wound rotor it is easy to control the output voltage from the stator by changing the magnetism of the rotor. With a permanent magnet rotor the output voltage is given by the rotational speed and some constant parameters. This makes it harder to control the output voltage. Hector's rotoverter video: 7:08 RotoVerter Demo Part 3 of 3 31K views8 years ago CC 3:57 RotoVerter Demo Part 2 of 3 40K views8 years ago CC 7:55 RotoVerter Demo Part 1 of 3 105K views8 years ago The power calculations in the videos are the apparent power VA. This is the vector sum of the real (aka active) power (W) and the reactive power (VAr). If the high current in the normal running motor (part 3) is inductive current this motor should not consume much power. But of course the high current works against the resistance of the windings which generates heat and heat dissipation is real power. I guess this is not the secret of over-unity?! It has to be combined to a super-efficient generator or pulses of power have to oscillate between the motor and generator to do the trick. Regards Ole ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote : A brushed genset?What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft. It is totally reliable for making dc power.I did that for twenty years to supply power from the wind. Now I want to switch from wind to flywheel inertia just because I have seen people doing it on videos. The apparatus looks simple enough to construct from what I have on hand.Cheers Warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----- Forwarded Message -----From: "mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>Cc:Sent: Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:22 PMSubject: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform Hector, With all due respect the RV is a bit pricey unless one has access to the 3 phase motor. Where I live there are no salvage yards for this stuff so it means about 700 bucks and funds are spread pretty thin at the moment. Of course your right it's probably the best tool avaialble to study the effects and whats what. After learning the RV part I don't know how much energy one can derive from the 7.5HP RV with further mods like adjustable multiphase PLL timing, freq and duty. Of course not considering the dangerous looping type freak show DC turbine energy just something reliable and safe. At first glance the brush genset seems a potential better source for power one can use to run ones house after proper mods. I don't know the answer to this but you seem to. Is there a simple way to move the RV to a multikillowatt generator or easier and less costly to use the brushed genset? Some of the people here who have built the RV are looking for something to power a house and you have not provided the next step only hinted at it. 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[11/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T06:52:04+00:00
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james glinski
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How did you know about the cows ass ?? Thought I was going to die ! On Feb 26, 2018 9:07 PM, "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ole > I never worried about the output voltage of my wind generator motors > because the load went into deep cycle lead acid batteries with a total of > 880 amp hours. > This brought the voltage, no matter what it was, to the charge level of > the batteries. It became, as it were, an endless consumer of the charge > much like peeing in a lake. You rarely saw a fluctuation of the voltage at > the batteries. They just stayed on float, yet the wind was always going up > and down. > This seemed to suit the batteries far better than dock power supplied > electricity to conventional battery chargers, to the batteries. > However with no batteries, it will take some study. > I feel it can be solved. > Cheers Warren > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 7:34 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Warren, > > "What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft" > With a wound rotor it is easy to control the output voltage from the > stator by changing the magnetism of the rotor. With a permanent magnet > rotor the output voltage is given by the rotational speed and some constant > parameters. This makes it harder to control the output voltage. > > Hector's rotoverter video: > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPWi6Csuxg> > 7:08 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPWi6Csuxg> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPWi6Csuxg> > RotoVerter Demo Part 3 of 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPWi6Csuxg> > 31K views8 years ago > CC > 3:57 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9popvgX_c> > RotoVerter Demo Part 2 of 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY9popvgX_c> > 40K views8 years ago > CC > 7:55 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo> RotoVerter Demo Part 1 of 3 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo>105K views8 years ago > > The power calculations in the videos are the apparent power VA. This is > the vector sum of the real (aka active) power (W) and the reactive power > (VAr). If the high current in the normal running motor (part 3) is > inductive current this motor should not consume much power. But of course > the high current works against the resistance of the windings which > generates heat and heat dissipation is real power. I guess this is not the > secret of over-unity?! It has to be combined to a super-efficient generator > or pulses of power have to oscillate between the motor and generator to do > the trick. > > Regards > Ole > > > > ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote : > > A brushed genset? > What is wrong with a permanent magnet motor being turned by it's shaft. It > is totally reliable for making dc power. > I did that for twenty years to supply power from the wind. Now I want to > switch from wind to flywheel inertia just because I have seen people doing > it on videos. The apparatus looks simple enough to construct from what I > have on hand. > Cheers Warren > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* "mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Cc:* > *Sent:* Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:22 PM > *Subject:* [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform > > > Hector, > > With all due respect the RV is a bit pricey unless one has access to the 3 > phase motor. Where I live there are no salvage yards for this stuff so it > means about 700 bucks and funds are spread pretty thin at the moment. > > Of course your right it's probably the best tool avaialble to study the > effects and whats what. > > After learning the RV part I don't know how much energy one can derive > from the 7.5HP RV with further mods like adjustable multiphase PLL timing, > freq and duty. > > Of course not considering the dangerous looping type freak show DC turbine > energy just something reliable and safe. > > At first glance the brush genset seems a potential better source for power > one can use to run ones house after proper mods. > > I don't know the answer to this but you seem to. > > Is there a simple way to move the RV to a multikillowatt generator or > easier and less costly to use the brushed genset? > > Some of the people here who have built the RV are looking for something to > power a house and you have not provided the next step only hinted at it. > This is why people here are sticking their heads in the wrong places. > > >
[12/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T07:23:08+00:00
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Douglas Konzen
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Hi Hector Thanks just realized after 10 or 15 years that very common brushed genset generators can be made into GRAY motors with the N N coil bucking power pretty easily... ciaoKone
[13/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T12:17:48+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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And the rotor N & S can be stator alternated to N_N S_S repulsion engine being hi quality laminate you got an EV gray motor in every generator of this type ,,,, ( years telling it ) thanks for listening .... its a pulsing EM RV ... (H) ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote : Hi Hector Thanks just realized after 10 or 15 years that very common brushed genset generators can be made into GRAY motors with the N N coil bucking power pretty easily... ciaoKone
[14/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T12:38:53+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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If people carefully analyze what EVgray motor is its just a 3 phase generator made into an inverted pulsed star ... worked in pulse repulsion mode ....( my say is attraction may be better combined with repulsion ) he did that intentionally in fact committing an engineering suicide , because instead of wasting millions of dollars trying to manufacture a non replicable piece of shit he might had used off the shelf made generators and make them into EV gray motor generators . greed & demons took over him until he was shot for fucking one of his associates wife, apparently the motor radiation turned him into a drunk and horny demon womanizer ( he needed tantra ) his motors became JIN cursed afterwards tied to his death ... not so what i had given public after this ... as my version is based in off the shelf comparatively dirt cheap device .. Sorry to piss and walk over his skull , but that is life ! Norman and Alf knows ! (H)
[15/31] Re: Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T12:48:16+00:00
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triadutrad <[email protected]>
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Well ? stop watching bullshit videos ! Or ... the cow points with her tongue.. were watchers must dive head on !.... ----------------------------------------------------- Even with a slight touch of poetry to it! (H)
[16/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T13:02:12+00:00
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Douglas Konzen
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Hi HEctor Yes that is what I mean - just need to re-connect the leads to the stator (armature) and field (rotor) winds, not necessarily re-wind them to make them Nstator-Nrotor N-rotor N-stator (how GRAY motor is) Note: Like you wrote "(N_N S_S)" would not be in "GRAY" mode, because when for example a 2-pole rotor flips around 180 degrees now for the second pulsed-position in a rotation, in would now be N_S N_S for attractive pulse that way so it would still work if you timed the pulse attractive on that pulse but it would not be "pure bucking" power going into the coils every pulse. ciao Kone
[17/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T13:23:10+00:00
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Douglas Konzen
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Hi HEctor What actually a GRAY motor is, is whatever it is eh.... Why not have it in both attraction and repulsion mode? Because: If you want "konemotor" design you need always repulsive pulses N-N or S-S since there are the "regauging" permanent magnets in design, located and mounted next to stator coils, but "reacting" to the rotor CORES,. flipping the polarity of the cores (still remaining in their previously pulsed polarity) so upon APPROACH for next firing position there will be a free power-stroke of S-rotor to N-stator, not N-rotor N-stator which would create a magnetic clash upon approach, and only momentum of rotor could push through it (so better a free power pull) ciaoKone
[18/31] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T13:56:38+00:00
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Douglas Konzen
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Now that I think about, since a common 2 pole genset rotor shares the core material at both pole-pieces, you have problem that you cannot magnetically isolate one pole winding and pole-piece from the other, so you will get that rotor core and coil to be N-S no matter what you do.. however maybe you could connect one pole to be projecting N outward, and connect pther to also be projecting outward too and see what happens! Maybe it will cancel out the magnetism of the core and core will become weak maybe it will work and one pole piece is N outward and so is other....I don't know have not tried it! Maybe the core could be sawed in half lengthwise, have airgap or plastic or 310L steel to magnetically separate the two pole pieces so cores do not connect? This possible I guess... ciaoKone
[19/31] Fw: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T14:17:39+00:00
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Warren Keillor
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Oh dear!We are back to recoring the Kromrey Converter, removing the Bedini style welding rods densely packed in a very thin wall section of steel Chinese broom handle, and then replacing those two cores with ferrite, encased in the same manner, as they are made to be removeable.Hector has dropped a bomb shell on us with the news of his RV generator.News? He has told us a million times before, but I was either not smart enough to understand what he was saying, and unable to read the ellusive files, where ever yahoo chose to hide them from me.What we need is a communications brainiac like Patrick Kelly, to do a illustrated comic book version of Hector's off the shelf Gray motor so we monkeys here, aren' t just left scratching our asses, and swinging from a branch.Pictures work for me. Show me what it should look like, and I can make you one.It might be made from old donkey droppings and cheese, but it can be shiny and painted up just like the real thing.Seriously, though, if Hector would bother enough to tell somebody how to do it, who can then describe it to the lumpen prolitariot in a form that they might understand, we would all be building these generators lickity split.Cheers Warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:25 AM Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform Hi HEctor What actually a GRAY motor is, is whatever it is eh.... Why not have it in both attraction and repulsion mode? Because: If you want "konemotor" design you need always repulsive pulses N-N or S-S since there are the "regauging" permanent magnets in design, located and mounted next to stator coils, but "reacting" to the rotor CORES,. flipping the polarity of the cores (still remaining in their previously pulsed polarity) so upon APPROACH for next firing position there will be a free power-stroke of S-rotor to N-stator, not N-rotor N-stator which would create a magnetic clash upon approach, and only momentum of rotor could push through it (so better a free power pull) ciaoKone #yiv4261916286 #yiv4261916286 -- #yiv4261916286ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4261916286 #yiv4261916286ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4261916286 #yiv4261916286ygrp-mkp #yiv4261916286hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4261916286 #yiv4261916286ygrp-mkp #yiv4261916286ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4261916286 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[20/31] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: method and hardware for overunity transform
2018-02-27T14:41:27+00:00
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Warren Keillor
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DougIt is scary how close you are talking about the Kromerey converter.We don't want to go there, but remember that core flipping inside the alternative NS sets of magnets, switching polarity at every magnet.It requires a core that can handle the eddy currrents. At speed the Bedini wire starts to suck. Actually that seems to be the only problem with it.It might not be so lenz reactive with ferrite.Cheers warren Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:57 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: Now that I think about, since a common 2 pole genset rotor shares the core material at both pole-pieces, you have problem that you cannot magnetically isolate one pole winding and pole-piece from the other, so you will get that rotor core and coil to be N-S no matter what you do.. however maybe you could connect one pole to be projecting N outward, and connect pther to also be projecting outward too and see what happens! Maybe it will cancel out the magnetism of the core and core will become weak maybe it will work and one pole piece is N outward and so is other....I don't know have not tried it! Maybe the core could be sawed in half lengthwise, have airgap or plastic or 310L steel to magnetically separate the two pole pieces so cores do not connect? 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