Re: [EVGRAY] Tesla Turbine Question

CRAP, removes all incentive to post things that could help you guys.   
Happens all too often on this site.

On 4/10/2019 9:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hey Norn you will just have to take your lumps on this one, you said 
> ball or roller bearings and one of the few places you will find ball 
> bearings is in car turbochargers. They are used here because a car 
> turbocharger cycles up and down and ball bearings cut down on turbo lag.
>
>
> But for aircraft or any other constant high speed device operation, 
> plain hydrodynamic bearings rule the roost but hey, good flow of 
> information!
>
> Ron
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Please don't get hung up on stupid bearings for the De Laval Nozzels 
> are the key to the Tesla Turbine operations. see the example nozzels 
> used in the steam turbines back in that time frame.
>
>>>>>>>
>

Norm,

My applogies this subject has been a bother.  I was curious as to the
state of the bearings used at that point in time on that device in order
to research another object.  Figured Dr Tesla being the Man may have had
some super cool bearing tech too, so I queried the expert, you.  No
worries the subject is now closed.

Sorry to have upset you,

Mick

On 4/11/2019 12:12 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> CRAP, removes all incentive to post things that could help you guys.  
> Happens all too often on this site.
>
> On 4/10/2019 9:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Hey Norn you will just have to take your lumps on this one, you said
>> ball or roller bearings and one of the few places you will find ball
>> bearings is in car turbochargers. They are used here because a car
>> turbocharger cycles up and down and ball bearings cut down on turbo lag.
>>
>>
>> But for aircraft or any other constant high speed device operation,
>> plain hydrodynamic bearings rule the roost but hey, good flow of
>> information!
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Please don't get hung up on stupid bearings for the De Laval Nozzels
>> are the key to the Tesla Turbine operations. see the example nozzels
>> used in the steam turbines back in that time frame.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>

The most important aspects of the Tesla Turbine Project is the 
fundamental principles of operation in that it is a Boundary Layer 
driven concept. Tesla was correct in stating that the runners, (disk) 
had to have a micro polished surface to create the greatest adhesion of 
the boundary layer air or media. It is the interaction of the 
trans-sonic fluid flow via shock wave attachment to the moving disk that 
imparts the maximum of  kinetic energy which was derived from the De 
Laval Nozzle conversion, Pressure and Temperature.  Grasp the concept.   
It works in rocketry to create thrust. My improved hub design eliminated 
the need for Labyrinth seals  buy going to the exhaust through a hollow 
hub design that improved the performance by a great margin.  The 
limiting factor in the 1920s days was in metallurgy in that there was a 
lack of proper metals that could handle the radial shes loading of the 
high speed disk packs.  We solved this by going to 
carbon/carbon-composite disk built in vapor deposit diffusion furnaces. 
We could create disk that are 10X stronger than any steel and are 
exceptional light weight and almost indestructible with micro finish 
surfaces as Tesla specified.  A shame, that all of this effort will be 
lost due to a totally lack of interest. So be it!.  An added note in 
that it is absolutely necessary for efficient operation for the driving 
fluid be a phase change condensible media so as to provide the 
differential in pressures between the input side and the exhaust to 
create the implosion centripetal vortex principle mandatory for 
operation.  The lower the pressure at the exhaust the greater the 
implosion vortex phenomenon.  GET IT!

On 4/12/2019 1:28 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> My applogies this subject has been a bother.  I was curious as to the 
> state of the bearings used at that point in time on that device in 
> order to research another object.  Figured Dr Tesla being the Man may 
> have had some super cool bearing tech too, so I queried the expert, 
> you.  No worries the subject is now closed.
>
> Sorry to have upset you,
>
> Mick
>
> On 4/11/2019 12:12 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> CRAP, removes all incentive to post things that could help you 
>> guys.   Happens all too often on this site.
>>
>> On 4/10/2019 9:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Norn you will just have to take your lumps on this one, you said 
>>> ball or roller bearings and one of the few places you will find ball 
>>> bearings is in car turbochargers. They are used here because a car 
>>> turbocharger cycles up and down and ball bearings cut down on turbo lag.
>>>
>>>
>>> But for aircraft or any other constant high speed device operation, 
>>> plain hydrodynamic bearings rule the roost but hey, good flow of 
>>> information!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Please don't get hung up on stupid bearings for the De Laval Nozzels 
>>> are the key to the Tesla Turbine operations. see the example nozzels 
>>> used in the steam turbines back in that time frame.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>

Norm,

Do you have any prototypes left? 

So you grew the disks seems expensive, and what kind of metal did you
use for the shaft or did you change that to a composite also?

On 4/12/2019 6:45 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> The most important aspects of the Tesla Turbine Project is the
> fundamental principles of operation in that it is a Boundary Layer
> driven concept. Tesla was correct in stating that the runners, (disk)
> had to have a micro polished surface to create the greatest adhesion
> of the boundary layer air or media. It is the interaction of the
> trans-sonic fluid flow via shock wave attachment to the moving disk
> that imparts the maximum of  kinetic energy which was derived from the
> De Laval Nozzle conversion, Pressure and Temperature.  Grasp the
> concept.   It works in rocketry to create thrust. My improved hub
> design eliminated the need for Labyrinth seals  buy going to the
> exhaust through a hollow hub design that improved the performance by a
> great margin.  The limiting factor in the 1920s days was in metallurgy
> in that there was a lack of proper metals that could handle the radial
> shes loading of the high speed disk packs.  We solved this by going to
> carbon/carbon-composite disk built in vapor deposit diffusion
> furnaces. We could create disk that are 10X stronger than any steel
> and are exceptional light weight and almost indestructible with micro
> finish surfaces as Tesla specified.  A shame, that all of this effort
> will be lost due to a totally lack of interest. So be it!.  An added
> note in that it is absolutely necessary for efficient operation for
> the driving fluid be a phase change condensible media so as to provide
> the differential in pressures between the input side and the exhaust
> to create the implosion centripetal vortex principle mandatory for
> operation.  The lower the pressure at the exhaust the greater the
> implosion vortex phenomenon.  GET IT!
>
> On 4/12/2019 1:28 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> My applogies this subject has been a bother.  I was curious as to the
>> state of the bearings used at that point in time on that device in
>> order to research another object.  Figured Dr Tesla being the Man may
>> have had some super cool bearing tech too, so I queried the expert,
>> you.  No worries the subject is now closed.
>>
>> Sorry to have upset you,
>>
>> Mick
>>
>> On 4/11/2019 12:12 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> CRAP, removes all incentive to post things that could help you
>>> guys.   Happens all too often on this site.
>>>
>>> On 4/10/2019 9:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hey Norn you will just have to take your lumps on this one, you
>>>> said ball or roller bearings and one of the few places you will
>>>> find ball bearings is in car turbochargers. They are used here
>>>> because a car turbocharger cycles up and down and ball bearings cut
>>>> down on turbo lag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But for aircraft or any other constant high speed device operation,
>>>> plain hydrodynamic bearings rule the roost but hey, good flow of
>>>> information!
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>> Please don't get hung up on stupid bearings for the De Laval
>>>> Nozzels are the key to the Tesla Turbine operations. see the
>>>> example nozzels used in the steam turbines back in that time frame.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>

Sorry Mick, As I have explained previous;y on this forum, due to health 
issues I was forced to Retire early in 2012 at which time I totally sold 
off, gave away, liquidated and scrapped down everything at the 52 acre 
Research Farm including the complete 5200 sq ft lab facility. which was 
completely equipped. Everything went by the way side. I retained nothing 
from the past except my vast computer files. NO PROTOTYPES.

On 4/12/2019 10:55 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Do you have any prototypes left?
>
> So you grew the disks seems expensive, and what kind of metal did you 
> use for the shaft or did you change that to a composite also?
>
> On 4/12/2019 6:45 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> The most important aspects of the Tesla Turbine Project is the 
>> fundamental principles of operation in that it is a Boundary Layer 
>> driven concept. Tesla was correct in stating that the runners, (disk) 
>> had to have a micro polished surface to create the greatest adhesion 
>> of the boundary layer air or media. It is the interaction of the 
>> trans-sonic fluid flow via shock wave attachment to the moving disk 
>> that imparts the maximum of  kinetic energy which was derived from 
>> the De Laval Nozzle conversion, Pressure and Temperature. Grasp the 
>> concept.   It works in rocketry to create thrust. My improved hub 
>> design eliminated the need for Labyrinth seals  buy going to the 
>> exhaust through a hollow hub design that improved the performance by 
>> a great margin.  The limiting factor in the 1920s days was in 
>> metallurgy in that there was a lack of proper metals that could 
>> handle the radial shes loading of the high speed disk packs.  We 
>> solved this by going to carbon/carbon-composite disk built in vapor 
>> deposit diffusion furnaces. We could create disk that are 10X 
>> stronger than any steel and are exceptional light weight and almost 
>> indestructible with micro finish surfaces as Tesla specified.  A 
>> shame, that all of this effort will be lost due to a totally lack of 
>> interest. So be it!.  An added note in that it is absolutely 
>> necessary for efficient operation for the driving fluid be a phase 
>> change condensible media so as to provide the differential in 
>> pressures between the input side and the exhaust to create the 
>> implosion centripetal vortex principle mandatory for operation. The 
>> lower the pressure at the exhaust the greater the implosion vortex 
>> phenomenon.  GET IT!
>>
>> On 4/12/2019 1:28 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> My applogies this subject has been a bother.  I was curious as to 
>>> the state of the bearings used at that point in time on that device 
>>> in order to research another object.  Figured Dr Tesla being the Man 
>>> may have had some super cool bearing tech too, so I queried the 
>>> expert, you.  No worries the subject is now closed.
>>>
>>> Sorry to have upset you,
>>>
>>> Mick
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2019 12:12 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CRAP, removes all incentive to post things that could help you 
>>>> guys.   Happens all too often on this site.
>>>>
>>>> On 4/10/2019 9:04 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Norn you will just have to take your lumps on this one, you 
>>>>> said ball or roller bearings and one of the few places you will 
>>>>> find ball bearings is in car turbochargers. They are used here 
>>>>> because a car turbocharger cycles up and down and ball bearings 
>>>>> cut down on turbo lag.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But for aircraft or any other constant high speed device 
>>>>> operation, plain hydrodynamic bearings rule the roost but hey, 
>>>>> good flow of information!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>> Please don't get hung up on stupid bearings for the De Laval 
>>>>> Nozzels are the key to the Tesla Turbine operations. see the 
>>>>> example nozzels used in the steam turbines back in that time frame.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>

when we built the turbine pump back in the '90's we used 316 polished stainless. We were also unable to spin it up to the required rpm. Ours were parallel plates but it says if the plates arent parallel it will work better. 

 We never tested it again and moved on to alien technology. its more fun.
 

 Its not that the world doesnt 'get it'  Its the tooling cost and educational cost to market a better product. Much like a mouse trap. Its not that its better, its that the factories and every store in the world already has mouse traps in stock...
 

 Plus the world is purposely trying to 'forget' Tesla. 

 

 Once we emptied a 55 gallon drum in seconds with just a pin hole. There are other ways to transfer fluids than just 'mechanical' means. 

 

 There are other ways to suck water from the underground aquifers than just mechanical means.

"to create the greatest adhesion of the boundary layer air or media. It is the interaction of the trans-sonic fluid flow via shock wave attachment to the moving disk that imparts the maximum of  kinetic energy"
 

 I would describe it slightly different, It sets up a magnetic 'field' to move the fluids by magnetic attraction. Everything is Magnetic said Manly P Hall. Spinning anything at that rpm will create a Magnetic Field. You may call the effect a "shock wave" but your terminology Norm, and Tesla'a too, doesnt take into account the relative magnetic Properties and in particular the magnetic Fields associated with flowing and in this case Spinning water.
 

 Moving water creates the Highest Magnetic Field of all 'matter'. This is a NON Physical Phenomena. 

 

 “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”said Tesla
 "We live in two worlds an invisible Mind world and a visible body world"…..  said Walter Russell
 

 One can capitalize on this Phenomena by having the tyres of the drag car attain attachment to the earth with a maximum of kinetic energy for zero loss in wheel spin whilst levitating half an inch above the tar.

Science purposely leaves out the Non Physical Phenomena in this moving water equation. 

 

 Instead of calling it for what it actually is at the Atomic Level, namely magnetic dissolution, its called 'erosion' which is in keeping with their Particle Science of understanding the atomic structure. But moving water creates magnetic Fields and eddy currents which disintegrates the plasma structures. We see this on a Macro Scale as erosion. On a Micro Scale we see it as the Lead Pipes contaminating the water in Roman times. But its the Frequency of Lead thats imparted to the water. So too its Frequency when using copper water pipes. They use a frequency meter to pick up the impurities of water.
 

 The phenomena of placing a magnet on 'calcified' water pipes to 'descale' and clean them is the same principle.

fundamental principles of operation in that it is a Boundary Layer driven concept. 

 

 Ummm no...Its a Magnetic Field Driven concept.
 

 its the interaction of two Fields and at the Boundary of the two Fields its best to not have any mechanical action (rough surfaces). The two differing Fields,  one spinning and the other being spun creates 2 Fields that drive the fluids.
 

 Friction is Magnetic Attraction slippage. One is avoiding this 'slippage' or heat loss or kinetic energy loss by utilizing the Properties of Magnetic Fields in spinning 'matter'. 

 

 Remember the importance of using the correct terminology when describing ideas that lead to inventions. Or the Emphasis on Terminology of Spirit manifestations of the NON Physical.

Hi MerLynn,

Why call this effect nonphysical if it has physical effects?

The magnetic effect of spinning or moving water is not a conventional polarized magnetic field I guess. Are you aware of what W.B. Smith calls the molecular binding force which is supposed to hold together physical matter? He made some binding force meters but lacked a way to calibrate them to known physical constants or units. The instrument is based on stretching a nylon line to 90% of its breaking strength by a spring and measuring its change in length when the binding field is changed. After detonating atomic bombs spots with reduced binding force moved across the earth. We can't test it that way today as most atomic detonations are stopped. But the binding force meter could perhaps detect other experiments. At least I can think of one. This experiment involves a cube of magnetic fields canceling in all directions and can make steel balls explode (cannon balls). This only shows that a normal detector of directional magnetic fields won't see such effects. The experiments of W.J. Hooper and W.B. Smith weren't limited to just simple classical electromagnetism. They went into deeper layers.

Smith's tensor beam transmitter (the Smith coil or Caduceus coil) could take several kW of power without any heating or detection of electromagnetic radiation. It looked like the power just disappeared. Only a copy of the transmitter coil could detect the LASER like beam. As the coil had to be powered with some hundreds of Watt before working my guess is that the ferrite tube was working around the point of saturation or nonlinear level. Another peculiar effect was that the beam was instant in its length. At least it was much faster than the speed of light and the speed was too fast for the measurement equipment of that period of time.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

 "to create the greatest adhesion of the boundary layer air or media. It is the interaction of the trans-sonic fluid flow via shock wave attachment to the moving disk that imparts the maximum of  kinetic energy"
 

 I would describe it slightly different, It sets up a magnetic 'field' to move the fluids by magnetic attraction. Everything is Magnetic said Manly P Hall. Spinning anything at that rpm will create a Magnetic Field. You may call the effect a "shock wave" but your terminology Norm, and Tesla'a too, doesnt take into account the relative magnetic Properties and in particular the magnetic Fields associated with flowing and in this case Spinning water.
 

 Moving water creates the Highest Magnetic Field of all 'matter'. This is a NON Physical Phenomena. 

 

 “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”said Tesla
 "We live in two worlds an invisible Mind world and a visible body world"…..  said Walter Russell
 

 One can capitalize on this Phenomena by having the tyres of the drag car attain attachment to the earth with a maximum of kinetic energy for zero loss in wheel spin whilst levitating half an inch above the tar.

What is there to study of the Non Physical if it has No effects?
 

 is the only reply one can give to your question of
 

 "Why call this effect nonphysical if it has physical effects?"
 

 Why most people only pay 'lip service' to Tesla's quote is they have no IDEA what Non Physical even relates to.
 

 "molecular binding force"   Well regardless of how one puts the atom together, be it non existent Molecules or Structures of Light, Some 'force' does hold it together. 

 

 One would think Tesla at least studied the NON Physical to make such a statement in the first place. Smith, it appears, sticks with conventional fake science and again fails to mention the attractive and repulsive forces of Energy. 

 

 The Earth has a Magnetic Field as does the Sun. But to childishly claim its an Iron Core, negating the Sun's magnetic origin, or even by complete OMISSION and claiming its all gravity that holds it all together and the gravity bonds of the molecules as the source of the force gives rise to all kinds of theories and inventions to 'measure' the "molecular binding" Force.
 

 But you are right in the Caduceus coil verses the normal coil and then theres the coil made by 'hairpinning' the wire first before winding (not sure the name) that gets red hot in an instance. 

 

 These are 3 completely different results from different ways of winding a coil. Then there are a multitude of difference coils configurations. If its just a flow of electrons, why the difference? What is the NON Physical here?

 

 Is not the FIELD, "Non Physical"?  Is not Magnetic Forces Non Physical? Is not the Field of the Spirit Non Physical? Is not the Force Field that keeps the planets in place Non Physical?
 

 Would it not make more sense to the Apprentice to say study the Non Physical Forces rather than study the Magnetic Fields given all the different ways to make Fields? In our case the JoeCell makes Magnetic Fields in and of, Water.  The use of the term 'Non Physical' is all encompassing. But clearly too much for the average man.
 

 As long as Man thinks its HHO or some variation, it will never be understood what the Atomic Structure and these 'binding forces' are. 

 

 HHO, electrons and gravity has dumbed down man to the point all he does is destroy his planet in the name of free energy.

Hi MerLynn,

"What is there to study of the Non Physical if it has No effects?"
Exactly my point! Electromagnetism is a discipline in physics. The fields and most of their effects are described by mathematics. Something is omitted in classical electromagnetism. This is not a grand unified theory. W.J. Hooper and W.B. Smith unifies gravity as an effect of electromagnetism. A least the motional electric field can't be shielded and thus behaves gravity alike and may actually be the same thing. Gravity in itself thus only exist because of moving charges canceling out the magnetic field parts of the moving charges.

The magnetism of our planet is because it is a charged ball that rotates. Moving charges aka current creates magnetism (or curl in vector calculus). Here is an experiment to test if the magnetic field amplifies itself by acting like a generator (Spinning Sphere of Molten Sodium): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAYW9n8i-C4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAYW9n8i-C4 (8:26).

Molecules are supposed to be made of atoms. Not the other way around. A DNA molecule https://wiki2.org/en/DNA can consist of hundreds of millions of atoms.

"...the coil made by 'hairpinning' the wire first before winding (not sure the name)..."
That's the bifilar winding which is used for minimizing the inductance of the winding. This prevents the energy from being stored as magnetic field which is reactive energy or power.

"Is not the FIELD, "Non Physical"?  Is not Magnetic Forces Non Physical? Is not the Field of the Spirit Non Physical? Is not the Force Field that keeps the planets in place Non Physical?"
In physics there are disciplines of fields radio waves electromagnetism heat etc. I wouldn't call that nonphysical. Human senses may not detect radio waves but there are definitely instruments to detect them like radio receivers. The nonphysical world wouldn't even be detected by our physical instruments. Our physical world of existence or consciousness is said to be the third density. It is claimed that we are moving into the fifth density which has a higher rate of vibrations or a higher frequency. The Schuman resonance frequency of our planet is increasing: https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/ https://www.disclosurenews.it/en/schumann-resonance-today-update/.

"HHO, electrons and gravity has dumbed down man to the point all he does is destroy his planet in the name of free energy."
Why do you think so? We want clean energy that doesn't pollute the environment. Viktor Schauberger warned against using explosion energy (burning fossils and making fission of atoms) which would pollute our atmosphere and water. Schauberger's solution was implosion technology. He couldn't control his free energy home power plant though. With the technological level of today it would be possible to use Schauberger technology https://www.fnord23.com/viktor-schauberger-the-trout-turbine-free-energy-imploding/. Schauberger worked with water and air and imploded the atoms (fusion) or molecules instead of splitting them into smaller parts. He also made a levitation craft capable of high speed.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

 What is there to study of the Non Physical if it has No effects?
 

 is the only reply one can give to your question of
 

 "Why call this effect nonphysical if it has physical effects?"
 

 Why most people only pay 'lip service' to Tesla's quote is they have no IDEA what Non Physical even relates to.
 

 "molecular binding force"   Well regardless of how one puts the atom together, be it non existent Molecules or Structures of Light, Some 'force' does hold it together. 

 

 One would think Tesla at least studied the NON Physical to make such a statement in the first place. Smith, it appears, sticks with conventional fake science and again fails to mention the attractive and repulsive forces of Energy. 

 

 The Earth has a Magnetic Field as does the Sun. But to childishly claim its an Iron Core, negating the Sun's magnetic origin, or even by complete OMISSION and claiming its all gravity that holds it all together and the gravity bonds of the molecules as the source of the force gives rise to all kinds of theories and inventions to 'measure' the "molecular binding" Force.
 

 But you are right in the Caduceus coil verses the normal coil and then theres the coil made by 'hairpinning' the wire first before winding (not sure the name) that gets red hot in an instance. 

 

 These are 3 completely different results from different ways of winding a coil. Then there are a multitude of difference coils configurations. If its just a flow of electrons, why the difference? What is the NON Physical here?

 

 Is not the FIELD, "Non Physical"?  Is not Magnetic Forces Non Physical? Is not the Field of the Spirit Non Physical? Is not the Force Field that keeps the planets in place Non Physical?
 

 Would it not make more sense to the Apprentice to say study the Non Physical Forces rather than study the Magnetic Fields given all the different ways to make Fields? In our case the JoeCell makes Magnetic Fields in and of, Water.  The use of the term 'Non Physical' is all encompassing. But clearly too much for the average man.
 

 As long as Man thinks its HHO or some variation, it will never be understood what the Atomic Structure and these 'binding forces' are. 

 

 HHO, electrons and gravity has dumbed down man to the point all he does is destroy his planet in the name of free energy.

Electro-magnetism as you understand it is ALL there is to physics. Nothing more nothing less. Chemistry is EM. Biology is EM, Astronomy is EM. even Astrology is EM. You are pure EM. Your thoughts are pure EM. Water is an EM construct.  Or as Thales said it… Everything is water and Life is in Everything. 
  
 "The fields and most of their effects are described by mathematics" are not described by mathematics in any fashion that allows the reader to understand them and on that point I could rest my case as clearly its befuddled your thinking.
  
 You know not how the charged Earth ball came into existence much less why it rotates.
  
 Magnetism is inherent regardless of whether charges move or not. You have not defined “charges” as a first premise to your debate. You think EM is separate to ‘matter’. 
  
 "Molecules are supposed to be made of atoms. Not the other way around. A DNA molecule can consist of hundreds of millions of atoms" This is not EM, but pure Hector cow porn.
  
 So lets go back to basics.
 The JoeCell tube cell similar to what Alex presented in the Experimenters Guide, can be used by pouring fresh runny concrete in the cell and power it up with a 12V car battery and after about 10 seconds of power the cell only has pure fresh drinking water. I have drank it.
 In the inline Ring Magnet Cell, fresh runny concrete can be pumped through a Ferrite Ring Magnet and it comes out as pure fresh drinking water and I have drank it. You can too... Call Virgin Airlines tomorrow and lets do it. (only 500 a day for the only EM Physics lesson you will ever need to know that you have been Lied to your whole Life and unfortunately don’t mind being Lied to, it seems)
  
 Lets first take the tube cell. When connecting the 12V car battery, one can think of pure water or one can think of oil or one can think of Ocean White or one can be sick and unable to coherently think at all. Depending upon how one "thinks" depends upon what the Cell does and the placement of the electrodes. We call this the Parallel Mind work of the Alchemist. OK got it yet why Alex called it an orgone accumulator and it never worked for anyone. Orgone don’t exist. Can I get anymore exact on the Non Physical effecting the Physical? Its called Creating magnetic Fields with the Mind. Or Russell’s Invisible Mind World. Or Tesla’s Non Physical World. And its ALL about EM or magnetic Fields or Field Science as we call it. Its NOT a “discipline of Physics” unless you believe Nobelled Lies.
  
 Now the In Line Ring Magnet cell. (It can be this way) If you verbally abuse the cell it may stop working, If you are sick and get to close it may stop working. If you assemble it whilst sick it may not work. If you Steal it, it may not work. There is a CLEAR NON physical action here. There is clearly an invisible mind world at work here. And it effects what the Cell Creates. JoeCells mimic creation.
  
 Non Physical forces can either create or destroy even modify the EM Fields. Little is understood here about CREATION. For you Ole, its about Heat and destruction. One side of the EM spectrum, the other side is creation and its about COLD. You can think “human Teeth” and the chicken egg incubation in the presence of the JoeCell with see the chick have Teeth when hatched. 
  
 None of the above works if molecules of two elements make water and electricity is just electrons.
  
 To make obsolete, outdated technology Hot (destructive) fusion forces and adapt it to Non Physical Creation technology, is self destructive, particularly when man has only ever used his inventions to kill more efficiently and pollute more horrendously and making energy cheaper will not change this.
  
 Only a change in the way man thinks about the unseen, hidden, Esoteric/Alchemical secret teaching of the Ages can bring about the change you are looking for. This is the religion of the Druids and Alchemists and Magi and the lessor Tech level of the Shamans. 
  
 Everything is a Magnetic Field. NO EXCEPTIONS. Its not a discipline of physics. Its what Physics is and it has a NON physical or Invisible Mind side.
  
 You again clearly overlooked my first two premises….
  
 “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”said Tesla
  
 "We live in two worlds an invisible Mind world and a visible body world"…..  said Walter Russell
  
 The same coin described two ways.  
  
 Matter is Plasma Light Structures. Plasma is the 4th state of matter where plasma builds ALL of creation and Plasma or Light Bars are like a tiny lego pieces with a North and South Pole and Poles around the centre.  Plasma makes Everything including the thoughts going through your mind. No other ‘physics’ has an explanation for the invisible and non physical of the JoeCell that anyone can ask to be demo’d. One might get to see the fisher and paykel motors and static generators and magnetic Shielding but to describe but a few of what we do. Joe does likes to show off….. 
  
 What I tried to do was relate non physical in your terms but I see why that failed. You have no grasp of Invisible Mind world or Non physical ‘ideas’ effecting the physical. Much less the ‘mechanism’ or ‘science’ to achieve this.
 If you cant touch it…. Its not real…. And so it goes.
  
 “Schauberger worked with water and air and imploded the atoms (fusion) or molecules instead of splitting them into smaller parts”   This is a LIE about what he worked with. 
 It is unfortunate that it has been foretold how this Creation Technology of Field Science has to be released to mankind. In time, however, it will be magnetic Fields that cart Cayce’s arse around the USA when he reincarnates again. Personal Vimana’s once again available to the rich, enlightened, truthful and godlike (of course).
  
 So tell me Ole, if you were to adapt the Lessons of Field Science to your budding students in Tech School, how would you describe the EM invisible Fields of the Non Physical as an UPWISING to understanding what Tesla and Russell meant should be studied?
 Can Anyone? Hector? Trade your cow porn in on some real studies yes? You could learn more in a decade than you have learned from centuries of poor experiments ya know. Ya did say anything I could throw atcha.

Hi MerLynn,

I agree that electromagnetism is very fundamental in our physical world. Only the empty space without anything at all in it is more fundamental.

"You know not how the charged Earth ball came into existence much less why it rotates."
You only have to read Walter Russell or some ET sources to get the idea. W.B. Smith https://www.wanttoknow.info/energy/wilbur_smith_new_science uses the control fabric and the precipitation fabric to account for even the intelligence of the universe.

"Magnetism is inherent regardless of whether charges move or not. You have not defined “charges” as a first premise to your debate. You think EM is separate to ‘matter’."

Building the universe from nothing at all requires the space fabric which contains the three directions at right angle to each other making it possible to go anyplace in space. The directions are in quadrature (i.e. they're at right angle to each other). Now fill in something to have density. That's the tempic field or the ether. To be able to see something in space have the density change in one direction of that space. That's the electric field or divergence of density. Now apply the quadrature concept to have the electric field curl around or to have the diverging field curl around. This is magnetism. To have a higher parameter requires all lower parameters for its existence. Thus for having magnetism first the three parameters of space are needed. Following that density (tempic field) and divergence of density (electric field) have to exist followed by curl of the diverging density which is the magnetic field. Thus magnetism is the sixth parameter and is the most complex of the fields as it requires five lower parameters for its existence. Or it requires the tempic field and the electric field for its existence.

Charges are formed in the control fabric which is the fabric following the field and space fabrics. The four fabrics of each three parameters in quadrature is what makes the entire universe. The electric charges are formed when the three fields have the same size in all directions and thus interlock to form stable particles. Those are electrons and positrons and are the smallest building blocks of physical matter. They can be assembled into the fundamental particles making up atoms. Gabriel LaFreniere shows how this is done in his book 'Matter Is Made Of Waves http://rhythmodynamics.com/Gabriel_LaFreniere/index.htm.'

"None of the above works if molecules of two elements make water and electricity is just electrons."

Why not? Doesn't water have the spectral fingerprint of the two kinds of atoms making it up? Even if the characteristic fingerprints of different atoms are displaced in the frequency range isn't it the same kinds of atom just at different energy levels like when heated up or cooled down?

"Only a change in the way man thinks about the unseen, hidden, Esoteric/Alchemical secret teaching of the Ages can bring about the change you are looking for. This is the religion of the Druids and Alchemists and Magi and the lessor Tech level of the Shamans."

We don't want religions. Lets change it into science and even better into technology. Religion too often makes people go into war and conflicts. Peaceful religions may be OK if not wanting facts. Video about the 'spiritual war' between people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0ae3DW39I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed0ae3DW39I (14:04). This video has some subliminal talk in the background at some point.

"So tell me Ole, if you were to adapt the Lessons of Field Science to your budding students in Tech School, how would you describe the EM invisible Fields of the Non Physical as an UPWISING to understanding what Tesla and Russell meant should be studied?"

First learn everything about waves like in the theory of Rhythmodynamics. When the students see that all forces acting at a distance can be made up of waves in all kinds of media they will realize that this is a universal principle that exists above as below meaning even in the nonphysical densities. T.J.J. See and C.A. Bjérknes were precursors of the theory of Rhythmodynamics. Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. This may be the theory where he got his unofficial levitation technology from.

Second I would recommend a complete electromagnetism not split into the separate fields of electricity and magnetism and missing the field of change or the tempic field. This should not be taught as magic but be made into science by using the scientific method https://wiki2.org/en/Scientific_method. We don't want it turned into flat earth science! Galilei introduced the scientific method which almost cost him his life for requiring proof of the observations made. I.e. proving that the Earth isn't the center of the universe revealed some powerful people as lying or just of having limited knowledge. The scientific method must be reintroduced into electromagnetism regardless of the books already written which doesn't make the false stuff true because of repeating it in more books. This would require looking at the experiments of W.J. Hooper, W.B. Smith, I. Catt the JoeCell and Alexey Chekurkov's levitator etc. even if in means rewriting the books of physics. It doesn't help closing the eyes ears and mouth. A new consciousness is needed so the truth shouldn't be censored.

Making thought experiments (Albert Einstein) may not be a good scientific practice. Real experiments will tell better. Of course thoughts come before the experiment. Tesla had it all in his head but he did make real experiments too.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

  
 Electro-magnetism as you understand it is ALL there is to physics. Nothing more nothing less. Chemistry is EM. Biology is EM, Astronomy is EM. even Astrology is EM. You are pure EM. Your thoughts are pure EM. Water is an EM construct.  Or as Thales said it… Everything is water and Life is in Everything.
  
 "The fields and most of their effects are described by mathematics" are not described by mathematics in any fashion that allows the reader to understand them and on that point I could rest my case as clearly its befuddled your thinking.
  
 You know not how the charged Earth ball came into existence much less why it rotates.
  
 Magnetism is inherent regardless of whether charges move or not. You have not defined “charges” as a first premise to your debate. You think EM is separate to ‘matter’.
  
 "Molecules are supposed to be made of atoms. Not the other way around. A DNA molecule can consist of hundreds of millions of atoms" This is not EM, but pure Hector cow porn.
  
 So lets go back to basics.
 The JoeCell tube cell similar to what Alex presented in the Experimenters Guide, can be used by pouring fresh runny concrete in the cell and power it up with a 12V car battery and after about 10 seconds of power the cell only has pure fresh drinking water. I have drank it.
 In the inline Ring Magnet Cell, fresh runny concrete can be pumped through a Ferrite Ring Magnet and it comes out as pure fresh drinking water and I have drank it. You can too... Call Virgin Airlines tomorrow and lets do it. (only 500 a day for the only EM Physics lesson you will ever need to know that you have been Lied to your whole Life and unfortunately don’t mind being Lied to, it seems)
  
 Lets first take the tube cell. When connecting the 12V car battery, one can think of pure water or one can think of oil or one can think of Ocean White or one can be sick and unable to coherently think at all. Depending upon how one "thinks" depends upon what the Cell does and the placement of the electrodes. We call this the Parallel Mind work of the Alchemist. OK got it yet why Alex called it an orgone accumulator and it never worked for anyone. Orgone don’t exist. Can I get anymore exact on the Non Physical effecting the Physical? Its called Creating magnetic Fields with the Mind. Or Russell’s Invisible Mind World. Or Tesla’s Non Physical World. And its ALL about EM or magnetic Fields or Field Science as we call it. Its NOT a “discipline of Physics” unless you believe Nobelled Lies.
  
 Now the In Line Ring Magnet cell. (It can be this way) If you verbally abuse the cell it may stop working, If you are sick and get to close it may stop working. If you assemble it whilst sick it may not work. If you Steal it, it may not work. There is a CLEAR NON physical action here. There is clearly an invisible mind world at work here. And it effects what the Cell Creates. JoeCells mimic creation.
  
 Non Physical forces can either create or destroy even modify the EM Fields. Little is understood here about CREATION. For you Ole, its about Heat and destruction. One side of the EM spectrum, the other side is creation and its about COLD. You can think “human Teeth” and the chicken egg incubation in the presence of the JoeCell with see the chick have Teeth when hatched.
  
 None of the above works if molecules of two elements make water and electricity is just electrons.
  
 To make obsolete, outdated technology Hot (destructive) fusion forces and adapt it to Non Physical Creation technology, is self destructive, particularly when man has only ever used his inventions to kill more efficiently and pollute more horrendously and making energy cheaper will not change this.
  
 Only a change in the way man thinks about the unseen, hidden, Esoteric/Alchemical secret teaching of the Ages can bring about the change you are looking for. This is the religion of the Druids and Alchemists and Magi and the lessor Tech level of the Shamans.
  
 Everything is a Magnetic Field. NO EXCEPTIONS. Its not a discipline of physics. Its what Physics is and it has a NON physical or Invisible Mind side.
  
 You again clearly overlooked my first two premises….
  
 “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”said Tesla
  
 "We live in two worlds an invisible Mind world and a visible body world"…..  said Walter Russell
  
 The same coin described two ways.  
  
 Matter is Plasma Light Structures. Plasma is the 4th state of matter where plasma builds ALL of creation and Plasma or Light Bars are like a tiny lego pieces with a North and South Pole and Poles around the centre.  Plasma makes Everything including the thoughts going through your mind. No other ‘physics’ has an explanation for the invisible and non physical of the JoeCell that anyone can ask to be demo’d. One might get to see the fisher and paykel motors and static generators and magnetic Shielding but to describe but a few of what we do. Joe does likes to show off…..
  
 What I tried to do was relate non physical in your terms but I see why that failed. You have no grasp of Invisible Mind world or Non physical ‘ideas’ effecting the physical. Much less the ‘mechanism’ or ‘science’ to achieve this.
 If you cant touch it…. Its not real…. And so it goes.
  
 “Schauberger worked with water and air and imploded the atoms (fusion) or molecules instead of splitting them into smaller parts”   This is a LIE about what he worked with.
 It is unfortunate that it has been foretold how this Creation Technology of Field Science has to be released to mankind. In time, however, it will be magnetic Fields that cart Cayce’s arse around the USA when he reincarnates again. Personal Vimana’s once again available to the rich, enlightened, truthful and godlike (of course).
  
 So tell me Ole, if you were to adapt the Lessons of Field Science to your budding students in Tech School, how would you describe the EM invisible Fields of the Non Physical as an UPWISING to understanding what Tesla and Russell meant should be studied?
 Can Anyone? Hector? Trade your cow porn in on some real studies yes? You could learn more in a decade than you have learned from centuries of poor experiments ya know. Ya did say anything I could throw atcha.

Space is not 'empty'.
 “W.B. Smith uses the control fabric and the precipitation fabric to account for even the intelligence of the universe.” This is an interesting way to perceive it. The Fabric of the Universe is separate to the ‘matter’ of the universe. The “Aether” is the control fabric and it has ‘form’ meaning it reacts to matter. Matter is ALL Plasma or the “precipitated fabric”. Just as electricity needs a circuit board to exist, move or rest upon, Plasma needs the Aether to exist, move and rest upon.  I liken it to 3D tapestry. The universal mind cannot create Living Plasma shapes without there being a Fabric to exist upon or the Aether. 
 The Aether is non physical to us humans and is why dumbinstein rejected it. Tesla knew of its integral or co-dependent nature. You really are having trouble Oni with atoms and molecules with your understandings. Energy or Plasma Structures of Light are what “matter” is made from. These energy constructs require the fabric of space of Aether to exist and move upon. Another aspect of the non physical or invisible Mind Universe.  So Space is Aether.
  
 Aether is apparent to us humans as “inertia” or drag or the resistance of the plasma to change or resistant to movement upon the Aether. Aether is what Firecrackers ‘push’ against in Space. If it was “empty” there would be no thrust. Aether causes the ‘red shift’ in the Light spectrums giving rise to all kinds of dumb theories. Gravity being from the bonds of molecules rather than a natural two part force of the Plasma gives rise to all kinds of dumb black hole theories.  This two part or ying yang or attraction and repulsion or Invisible Mind world verses physical body world has also been quite botched in science circles. North Pole Fields makes ‘matter’ (plasma) disappear whilst South Pole Fields makes matter ‘denser’. We had bottles of water on the shelf that were sealed after being poured from this two part experiment and one slowly emptied whilst the other slowly filled up. 
  
 The Intelligence that built this universe designed the Aether as an Energy Construct built out of very ‘similar’ plasma structures of Light in a Cubical Quad format. In the minds eye, this is like squintillions of tiny cubes of energy all sharing their external Light bars to from a Grid. At the intersection of each ‘corner’ is an ‘x’, ‘y’ and ‘z’ coordinate for NAVIGATION purposes. If the ‘matter’ plasma structures are completely disassembled into individual bars, they can move within the Aether. As soon as 6 of them come together they can only move upon the Aether. 
  
 All ‘matter’ is composed of these Tetrahedrons in geometric shapes and patterns. Even rocks, eye balls and stars. You cant turn rocks into drinking water with a Baghdad Battery with any other theory. Or make Ocean water a Manna ‘food’ with a Baghdad Battery as in Ocean White. https://www.ebay.com/itm/173841889962 https://www.ebay.com/itm/173841889962
  
 On a side note, when navigating thorough the Aether rather than upon it, one is not limited to the speed of Light. One can travel the length of this galaxy in 3.5 seconds for a total of 3.25 days to get from one side of the Universal bubble to the other.
  
 The word ‘electricity’ should be removed from the Dictionary. Its DC or Direct Current. Or a Direct Flow of Magnetic Energy as PLASMA (structures of light) This Flow creates a Field Effect as a Vibrational Field and the vibration has ENERGY and FREQUENCY.  Which Tesla said is all you need to understand the Universe. You sure use a lots of mumbo jumbo of 6 parameters, none of which Tesla referred to. How the Tetrahedrons are ‘spaced’ determines its Vibration and thus its ‘density’ but density isn’t related to the number of Plasma structures as in a ‘weight’ as weight is only an Attractiveness or Repulsiveness in its Field Construct relative to the Earth. Air and water ‘part’ or allow one to move through being of a ‘different’ vibration. Some can go through walls as in See through technology.
  
 When water is Split into two gases of differing Polarity, each has the same number of Plasma Structures per volume. One floats and one sinks due to their Polarity and attractiveness to the Earths Magnetic Field. The DC Current has 2 components making two gases from the Universal Constant of Harmony, of these Tetrahedrons or liquid water. Can you stop referring to water as HHO or a Molecule…. When more than 2 electrodes are activated by DC in water it turns to OIL ….. OK ? The presence of Carbon frequencies destroys ALL you believe to be true. Get with it or stop asking questions. Or Book tickets on Virgin to Brisbane and we will make a believer out of you if you dare... 
  
 The fabric of Space or the Aether can change in vibrational frequency. This requires one or more of ‘them’ who built this Universe to make the change. The last ‘change’ of shift in the Aether was in the 14th Century where Persian Scholars recorded Eye Witness accounts of the Crystals on their desks ‘changing shape’ and snow began to fail in winter in London and the Baltic, which was Mediterranean in clime now froze over. The previous time was about 32,000 years ago and ended Lemuria and Ramtha has been trying to get even ever since. 
  
 When these Aether Lessons were being given to me… and how it is constructed and its effects on Matter. I brought up this crystal changing shape testimonials and Horus, nearly fell off his chair and said “the day magic died’. (on earth). Horus, I may have said, worked for the 13 spirits who oversee this galaxy’s operation and Dannion Brinkleys testimony of having been given 13 ‘prophecies’ by these beings in the Crystal Palace was according to Horus the first instant in recent recorded history of how this Hierarchy of Government in the Universe operates.
  
 First learn everything about waves like in the theory of Rhythmodynamics
 NO… First learn how Matter is made with Plasma and how it makes ‘waves’ by vibration. You want to pick up on observable phenomena rather than why it occurs in the First instance.
 Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. This may be the theory where he got his unofficial levitation technology from. Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Tesla was ‘downloaded’. As have all those before him who have introduced new Technology to the Planet. That’s why he ‘liked’ certain theories… It doesn’t mean they are correct, completely. Tesla was downloaded schematics not theories so to speak.
  
 “The scientific method must be reintroduced” So how does one do this for the Art of Spoon Bending or psychic surgery? When so few can do it? We’ve had this “scientific method’ fuck up the understanding of WATER since the sticking of only 2 electrodes in it began. James Randi, that closed minded Idiot, would strongly disagree with you in even contemplating studying the Non Physical and he’s got a lot of stupid humans as followers.
  
 This scientific method… has been perverted to reward imaginative ideas and then given a pension for life making them the expert based upon literally nothing but the scientific method. It totally leaves out the study of the NON physical which could be likened to a Personal Enlightenment or Religious experience which AGAIN you want to discard. Studying the non physical invisible mind universe is a personal Quest. From these Adepts come the instructions for Life for the Sheeple. Your perspective Oni, has been perverted by greedy sheeple wanting Tithe. Imagine a Joecell that only powers a car (like Joe did to 4 of them) that requires the 10 commandments to be adhered to for the car to run. Kinda fixes stupid humans looking for free energy eh?
  
 Periodically, the heavens have provided man with the Technology to make his lot better. This is the direction we must return to. Man only fucks up his planet, his gene pool, his customs (religion) and his connection to the heavens. I see you want to further this stupidity by labelling it ‘religion’ and the scientific method. It has been Given. I give it to you again. I do believe this is the 3rd time you have rejected it Oni…..
  
 Everything you do Oni is a ‘religious’ practice.  Only instead of Priests telling you to Fast, Scientists are telling you to eat less meat protein or water is H2O and Alkaline is best. Instead of going to church on Sunday as being like the Opiate of the People, humans go to the new opiate of the people ….. SPORT. 
  
 You are well read Oni, but poorly educated. Or as Joe says… educated too far in the other direction. 
  
 This rejection of ‘religion’ has allowed ‘them’ to give you a NEW religion of equality and sexual deviations whether you know it or not. This will be superseded by a religion where your NEW beliefs are done in by the sword… They are preached to, to end these human perversions. You have fully embraced the extinction of Your Religion by being DUMBED Down and believing in the Scientific Method of studying only the Physical Body World. Studying or even understanding the Non Physical isn’t for everyone… Its always been only for the dedicated who then become apprentices or initiates. Ashkenazi’s have used religion to control even your thoughts and their Marks of the Beast are your new Ideals to strive for. Is it any wonder or was it planned, that Revelations is like a foreign language to the Millennials? Does Lambs to the slaughter mean anything to you anymore Oni? You have NO answer to this. Just like you have no answer to Multi electroded water experiments destroying your belief system but only pay lip service to the textbooks needing rewritten. By the NEW Priests of Science? Get flipping real ok. Science now wants to control peoples practices, just ask Sandy Cortez. Her science which is your Scientific Method preached by priestly Scientists gave us Fuckyoushima.
  
 Your…. “A new consciousness is needed so the truth shouldn't be censored.” Is understanding our place in the Heavens and WHO created us and WHY and HOW….. It WILL be a Religion so we may as well set the parameters right this time… Or you can go back to finding control switches for samsungs and share cow porn and another 2 decades will have passed. I have studied the NON Physical for two decades… Norm studied the Physical for 6 decades… Norm had a HHO diss-info Lab. The mindset of this forum is keeping youse all in the dark ages. Hector has repeatedly practiced Cow Porn Sharing as his ‘religion’ of objecting to another belief system (religion). Norm doesn’t comment on the Magnetic Fields created by the blades spinning water at 11,000 rpm. He NEVER even considered it. His thinking box isn’t that big. So what hope has anyone really got here? At least Oni, you ask questions in a limited self upwising. 
  
 End of Sunday Sermon from Downunder.

http://joecellwaterscience.com/history_1.html          Its a shame that the original purpose and intent of this project was so bastardized by so many.

On 4/17/2019 6:08 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's 
> theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we 
> live on a Magnet for Christs sake.
>
> Its only 100% magnetic structures of Light. A watch hand will 
> orientate itself to North Pole if floated on water. Two ships will do 
> the same. The swirling ocean creates magnetiuc eddy currents that will 
> CHARGE the ships metals. Moving water creates the strongest magnetic 
> Fields for all matter. Your wave theory fails when its using water as 
> the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents 
> the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. 
> Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field. The nail becomes magnetised.
> Iron made before pre WW2 is highly sought after for probes and 
> detectors as since the A Bombs all iron is contaminated. Doesn't take 
> much in the invisible mind Body world. Your wave theory doesnt take 
> into account the changes in Magnetic Fields just 2 feet, 2 inches or 2 
> miles or 2 Light years apart. The DNA pattern at conception is a NEW 
> magnetic Field effected by everything in a geometric pattern as 
> Astrology..I really dont have time for Poor wave theories in a 
> Magnetic Universe.The Field VIBRATES and this sets up waves.
>
> Attraction and repulsion  or compression and expansion... or ying and 
> yang. take your pick.
>
> Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. Do you have a 
> Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?
>
> Our Age or Life span is very much integral to our speed through the 
> Aether. A 1000 or more years is possible if earth is near stationary 
> in the Aether.
>
> Humans cant theorize anything correctly. I really only recognize 
> Spiritual Highlights.
> Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?
>
> You think humans are smart but we are not. We are real live living 
> self replicating Artificial Intelligence Robo Warriors. Incapable of 
> an original thought. Original thoughts only come from Spirit.
>

Hi MerLynn,

In nature it isn't possible to have such thing as attractive forces. Such thing only works because there is some pressure pushing the things 'attracting' together. Gravity as an attractive force must be false. Gravity is much better explained by shadow effects between the objects 'attracting'. Consider two super tankers lined up side by side in a sea with waves. Because the ships screen or shadow against the waves between the ships the ships are pushed towards each other by the waves outside the two ships. This is not attraction but a push from higher pressure towards lower pressure. The higher amplitude of the waves outside the ships pushes against the less amplitude between the ships or the shadow of the waves. This effect isn't limited to waves of the sea.

 I consider gravity working the same way. Several theories consider it works that way. One of the modern theories is the theory of Rhythmodynamics. T.J.J. See https://wiki2.org/en/Thomas_Jefferson_Jackson_See did experiments with balloons filled with different kind of gasses where he sent waves of sound through from a source of sound. Balloons filled with gasses that had higher speed of sound than the air in the laboratory accelerated towards the source of the sound. Balloons with gasses that had less speed of sound than in the air of the laboratory accelerated away from the source of sound. Balloons filled with air stayed in place as there wasn't a reactive force against the sound waves as there was no acceleration or deceleration of the speed of the waves.

"You sure use a lots of mumbo jumbo of 6 parameters, none of which Tesla referred to."
That's not Tesla's theory but the one of W.B. Smith. Smith has a total of 12 parameters organized in four fabrics of each three parameters each in quadrature to each other. A higher fabric must have all lower fabrics for its existence. The space fabric with the three parameters of direction must be there for the next fabric to exist. The second fabric is the field fabric which holds the fundamental fields of electromagnetism. And two more fabrics of each three parameters are needed to describe the universe. To learn more about W.B. Smith's theory I recommend reading his book 'The New Science.'

"Aether is apparent to us humans as “inertia” or drag or the resistance of the plasma to change or resistant to movement upon the Aether."
It is much better explained by wave theory as reactive energy being stored by the waves. Thus inertia doesn't have to have resistance as only reactive energy is needed. This is like reactive power in AC theory that isn't dissipated but just temporally stored as an electric or magnetic field. I.e. the energy is stored as capacitive or inductive energy. By studying the theory of Rhythmodynamics it can be seen that inertia can be simulated as waves in liquids in air or by using electromagnetic waves like radio waves. Thus there is great probability that this is a universal principle that holds for any kind of waves even for waves in the aether. This also points to the possibility of removing inertia or even making reaction less crafts by setting up the right pattern of waves.

"Do you have a Link for that recommendation?"
T.J.J. See have written thousands of pages through decades: https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1251&bih=1057&ei=GOe2XIr0HdDFwQL-lJawCA&q=T.J.J.+See+wave+theory&oq=T.J.J.+See+wave+theory&gs_l=psy-ab.3...154117.159610..159976...0.0..0.255.337.1j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.JyD_xoYu8jk https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1251&bih=1057&ei=GOe2XIr0HdDFwQL-lJawCA&q=T.J.J.+See+wave+theory&oq=T.J.J.+See+wave+theory&gs_l=psy-ab.3...154117.159610..159976...0.0..0.255.337.1j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.JyD_xoYu8jk

The scientific method doesn't leave out the study of the nonphysical. Just do as Galileo formulated it. That goes something like this: Everything must be measured and weighed and if it can't be measured and weighted instruments must be invented to do the measurements. Thus we need some way of detecting what can't be detected at this moment. Lots of things are now possible which were said to be impossible like radio waves and all kinds of radiations that couldn't be seen of felt before inventing detectors for the purpose. But this requires stop censuring science. Religion is believing something without any proof like blind faith. There are people believing that our planet is flat without giving any scientific proof that this is the case. There are lots of scientific proofs stating that it isn't flat. How can it be both?! So my point is that one or both must be proven before being called a scientific fact.

"...I have studied the NON Physical for two decades…"
Are you willing to make it science even if it is nonphysical? Don't expect people to just believe it like a religion even if that's what you want. Even the flat earthers comes up with some experiments even though they dismisses all other experiments that don't tell exactly what they want like having some hidden agenda. This isn't true science and definitely not the way the scientific method works. The scientific method requires refinement for getting closer to truth. The other way is scientific dishonesty which there is too much of already.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

 Space is not 'empty'.
 “W.B. Smith uses the control fabric and the precipitation fabric to account for even the intelligence of the universe.” This is an interesting way to perceive it. The Fabric of the Universe is separate to the ‘matter’ of the universe. The “Aether” is the control fabric and it has ‘form’ meaning it reacts to matter. Matter is ALL Plasma or the “precipitated fabric”. Just as electricity needs a circuit board to exist, move or rest upon, Plasma needs the Aether to exist, move and rest upon.  I liken it to 3D tapestry. The universal mind cannot create Living Plasma shapes without there being a Fabric to exist upon or the Aether.
 The Aether is non physical to us humans and is why dumbinstein rejected it. Tesla knew of its integral or co-dependent nature. You really are having trouble Oni with atoms and molecules with your understandings. Energy or Plasma Structures of Light are what “matter” is made from. These energy constructs require the fabric of space of Aether to exist and move upon. Another aspect of the non physical or invisible Mind Universe.  So Space is Aether.
  
 Aether is apparent to us humans as “inertia” or drag or the resistance of the plasma to change or resistant to movement upon the Aether. Aether is what Firecrackers ‘push’ against in Space. If it was “empty” there would be no thrust. Aether causes the ‘red shift’ in the Light spectrums giving rise to all kinds of dumb theories. Gravity being from the bonds of molecules rather than a natural two part force of the Plasma gives rise to all kinds of dumb black hole theories.  This two part or ying yang or attraction and repulsion or Invisible Mind world verses physical body world has also been quite botched in science circles. North Pole Fields makes ‘matter’ (plasma) disappear whilst South Pole Fields makes matter ‘denser’. We had bottles of water on the shelf that were sealed after being poured from this two part experiment and one slowly emptied whilst the other slowly filled up.
  
 The Intelligence that built this universe designed the Aether as an Energy Construct built out of very ‘similar’ plasma structures of Light in a Cubical Quad format. In the minds eye, this is like squintillions of tiny cubes of energy all sharing their external Light bars to from a Grid. At the intersection of each ‘corner’ is an ‘x’, ‘y’ and ‘z’ coordinate for NAVIGATION purposes. If the ‘matter’ plasma structures are completely disassembled into individual bars, they can move within the Aether. As soon as 6 of them come together they can only move upon the Aether.
  
 All ‘matter’ is composed of these Tetrahedrons in geometric shapes and patterns. Even rocks, eye balls and stars. You cant turn rocks into drinking water with a Baghdad Battery with any other theory. Or make Ocean water a Manna ‘food’ with a Baghdad Battery as in Ocean White. https://www.ebay.com/itm/173841889962 https://www.ebay.com/itm/173841889962
  
 On a side note, when navigating thorough the Aether rather than upon it, one is not limited to the speed of Light. One can travel the length of this galaxy in 3.5 seconds for a total of 3.25 days to get from one side of the Universal bubble to the other.
  
 The word ‘electricity’ should be removed from the Dictionary. Its DC or Direct Current. Or a Direct Flow of Magnetic Energy as PLASMA (structures of light) This Flow creates a Field Effect as a Vibrational Field and the vibration has ENERGY and FREQUENCY.  Which Tesla said is all you need to understand the Universe. You sure use a lots of mumbo jumbo of 6 parameters, none of which Tesla referred to. How the Tetrahedrons are ‘spaced’ determines its Vibration and thus its ‘density’ but density isn’t related to the number of Plasma structures as in a ‘weight’ as weight is only an Attractiveness or Repulsiveness in its Field Construct relative to the Earth. Air and water ‘part’ or allow one to move through being of a ‘different’ vibration. Some can go through walls as in See through technology.
  
 When water is Split into two gases of differing Polarity, each has the same number of Plasma Structures per volume. One floats and one sinks due to their Polarity and attractiveness to the Earths Magnetic Field. The DC Current has 2 components making two gases from the Universal Constant of Harmony, of these Tetrahedrons or liquid water. Can you stop referring to water as HHO or a Molecule…. When more than 2 electrodes are activated by DC in water it turns to OIL ….. OK ? The presence of Carbon frequencies destroys ALL you believe to be true. Get with it or stop asking questions. Or Book tickets on Virgin to Brisbane and we will make a believer out of you if you dare...
  
 The fabric of Space or the Aether can change in vibrational frequency. This requires one or more of ‘them’ who built this Universe to make the change. The last ‘change’ of shift in the Aether was in the 14th Century where Persian Scholars recorded Eye Witness accounts of the Crystals on their desks ‘changing shape’ and snow began to fail in winter in London and the Baltic, which was Mediterranean in clime now froze over. The previous time was about 32,000 years ago and ended Lemuria and Ramtha has been trying to get even ever since.
  
 When these Aether Lessons were being given to me… and how it is constructed and its effects on Matter. I brought up this crystal changing shape testimonials and Horus, nearly fell off his chair and said “the day magic died’. (on earth). Horus, I may have said, worked for the 13 spirits who oversee this galaxy’s operation and Dannion Brinkleys testimony of having been given 13 ‘prophecies’ by these beings in the Crystal Palace was according to Horus the first instant in recent recorded history of how this Hierarchy of Government in the Universe operates.
  
 First learn everything about waves like in the theory of Rhythmodynamics
 NO… First learn how Matter is made with Plasma and how it makes ‘waves’ by vibration. You want to pick up on observable phenomena rather than why it occurs in the First instance.
 Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. This may be the theory where he got his unofficial levitation technology from. Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Tesla was ‘downloaded’. As have all those before him who have introduced new Technology to the Planet. That’s why he ‘liked’ certain theories… It doesn’t mean they are correct, completely. Tesla was downloaded schematics not theories so to speak.
  
 “The scientific method must be reintroduced” So how does one do this for the Art of Spoon Bending or psychic surgery? When so few can do it? We’ve had this “scientific method’ fuck up the understanding of WATER since the sticking of only 2 electrodes in it began. James Randi, that closed minded Idiot, would strongly disagree with you in even contemplating studying the Non Physical and he’s got a lot of stupid humans as followers.
  
 This scientific method… has been perverted to reward imaginative ideas and then given a pension for life making them the expert based upon literally nothing but the scientific method. It totally leaves out the study of the NON physical which could be likened to a Personal Enlightenment or Religious experience which AGAIN you want to discard. Studying the non physical invisible mind universe is a personal Quest. From these Adepts come the instructions for Life for the Sheeple. Your perspective Oni, has been perverted by greedy sheeple wanting Tithe. Imagine a Joecell that only powers a car (like Joe did to 4 of them) that requires the 10 commandments to be adhered to for the car to run. Kinda fixes stupid humans looking for free energy eh?
  
 Periodically, the heavens have provided man with the Technology to make his lot better. This is the direction we must return to. Man only fucks up his planet, his gene pool, his customs (religion) and his connection to the heavens. I see you want to further this stupidity by labelling it ‘religion’ and the scientific method. It has been Given. I give it to you again. I do believe this is the 3rd time you have rejected it Oni…..
  
 Everything you do Oni is a ‘religious’ practice.  Only instead of Priests telling you to Fast, Scientists are telling you to eat less meat protein or water is H2O and Alkaline is best. Instead of going to church on Sunday as being like the Opiate of the People, humans go to the new opiate of the people ….. SPORT.
  
 You are well read Oni, but poorly educated. Or as Joe says… educated too far in the other direction.
  
 This rejection of ‘religion’ has allowed ‘them’ to give you a NEW religion of equality and sexual deviations whether you know it or not. This will be superseded by a religion where your NEW beliefs are done in by the sword… They are preached to, to end these human perversions. You have fully embraced the extinction of Your Religion by being DUMBED Down and believing in the Scientific Method of studying only the Physical Body World. Studying or even understanding the Non Physical isn’t for everyone… Its always been only for the dedicated who then become apprentices or initiates. Ashkenazi’s have used religion to control even your thoughts and their Marks of the Beast are your new Ideals to strive for. Is it any wonder or was it planned, that Revelations is like a foreign language to the Millennials? Does Lambs to the slaughter mean anything to you anymore Oni? You have NO answer to this. Just like you have no answer to Multi electroded water experiments destroying your belief system but only pay lip service to the textbooks needing rewritten. By the NEW Priests of Science? Get flipping real ok. Science now wants to control peoples practices, just ask Sandy Cortez. Her science which is your Scientific Method preached by priestly Scientists gave us Fuckyoushima.
  
 Your…. “A new consciousness is needed so the truth shouldn't be censored.” Is understanding our place in the Heavens and WHO created us and WHY and HOW….. It WILL be a Religion so we may as well set the parameters right this time… Or you can go back to finding control switches for samsungs and share cow porn and another 2 decades will have passed. I have studied the NON Physical for two decades… Norm studied the Physical for 6 decades… Norm had a HHO diss-info Lab. The mindset of this forum is keeping youse all in the dark ages. Hector has repeatedly practiced Cow Porn Sharing as his ‘religion’ of objecting to another belief system (religion). Norm doesn’t comment on the Magnetic Fields created by the blades spinning water at 11,000 rpm. He NEVER even considered it. His thinking box isn’t that big. So what hope has anyone really got here? At least Oni, you ask questions in a limited self upwising.
  
 End of Sunday Sermon from Downunder.

I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we live on a Magnet for Christs sake.

 

 Its only 100% magnetic structures of Light. A watch hand will orientate itself to North Pole if floated on water. Two ships will do the same. The swirling ocean creates magnetiuc eddy currents that will CHARGE the ships metals. Moving water creates the strongest magnetic Fields for all matter. Your wave theory fails when its using water as the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field. The nail becomes magnetised. 

 Iron made before pre WW2 is highly sought after for probes and detectors as since the A Bombs all iron is contaminated. Doesn't take much in the invisible mind Body world. Your wave theory doesnt take into account the changes in Magnetic Fields just 2 feet, 2 inches or 2 miles or 2 Light years apart. The DNA pattern at conception is a NEW magnetic Field effected by everything in a geometric pattern as Astrology..I really dont have time for Poor wave theories in a Magnetic Universe.The Field VIBRATES and this sets up waves. 

 

 Attraction and repulsion  or compression and expansion... or ying and yang. take your pick.

 

 Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See.  Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?
 

 Our Age or Life span is very much integral to our speed through the Aether. A 1000 or more years is possible if earth is near stationary in the Aether. 

 

 Humans cant theorize anything correctly. I really only recognize Spiritual Highlights.
 Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?

 

 You think humans are smart but we are not. We are real live living self replicating Artificial Intelligence Robo Warriors. Incapable of an original thought. Original thoughts only come from Spirit.

Hi MerLynn,

"I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we live on a Magnet for Christs sake."
The theories of Carl A. Bjérknes' and Gabriel LaFreniere (http://rhythmodynamics.com/index_en.htm http://rhythmodynamics.com/index_en.htm choose MATTER of WAVES in the menu) show how the force of magnetism can be be made by waves. Then only some medium is needed for the waves to propagate in to making those theories ether theories.

"...Your wave theory fails when its using water as the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field..."
Don't be too sure about that. T.J.J. See made experiments using liquid and gas for the waves. His waves were sound waves. His conclusion is that the law is universal no matter the medium or the wavelengths used or the kind of waves used. Yuri N. Ivanov (theory of Rhythmodynamics) shows some of the experiments. Here is an example using ultrasound to suspend particles in the air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi5tUupH9c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi5tUupH9c (3:35). The field or pattern of the waves can simulate electric and magnetic fields depending on the distribution in space. Thus electric and magnetic fields are actually wave patterns. Gravity can be deduced from this too.

"Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See.  Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?"
I have trouble finding it. The closest I come is this (http://www.rexresearch.com/see/seeewtpf.html http://www.rexresearch.com/see/seeewtpf.html): "Related : SEE, Thomas : Wave Theory ~ Introductory articles, & 8 papers ( PDF ) from Astronomische Nachrichten -- Gravity, magnetic & electrostatic fields are longitudinal or compression waves in aether; light, heat & radio are shear waves in aether, 'aetherons". Tesla supported See's theory, and confirmed parts of it."

I can't remember if it was from an article or an interview with Tesla. There is an interview on Tesla looking back at old age.

"Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?"
He was astronomer and studied the forces acting between the heavenly bodies and did different experiments from which he made his theory. He studied others theories and observations as well. See explains why mercury and water deflects in opposite ways when in touch with glass by only using the forces of waves.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

 I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we live on a Magnet for Christs sake.

 

 Its only 100% magnetic structures of Light. A watch hand will orientate itself to North Pole if floated on water. Two ships will do the same. The swirling ocean creates magnetiuc eddy currents that will CHARGE the ships metals. Moving water creates the strongest magnetic Fields for all matter. Your wave theory fails when its using water as the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field. The nail becomes magnetised. 

 Iron made before pre WW2 is highly sought after for probes and detectors as since the A Bombs all iron is contaminated. Doesn't take much in the invisible mind Body world. Your wave theory doesnt take into account the changes in Magnetic Fields just 2 feet, 2 inches or 2 miles or 2 Light years apart. The DNA pattern at conception is a NEW magnetic Field effected by everything in a geometric pattern as Astrology..I really dont have time for Poor wave theories in a Magnetic Universe.The Field VIBRATES and this sets up waves. 

 

 Attraction and repulsion  or compression and expansion... or ying and yang. take your pick.

 

 Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See.  Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?
 

 Our Age or Life span is very much integral to our speed through the Aether. A 1000 or more years is possible if earth is near stationary in the Aether. 

 

 Humans cant theorize anything correctly. I really only recognize Spiritual Highlights.
 Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?

 

 You think humans are smart but we are not. We are real live living self replicating Artificial Intelligence Robo Warriors. Incapable of an original thought. Original thoughts only come from Spirit.

OleBe careful, your wonderful, and useful, brain  is being sucked into the abyss,It should be so much better employed here, on practical energy problems.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 4:15 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi MerLynn,

"I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we live on a Magnet for Christs sake."
The theories of Carl A. Bjérknes' and Gabriel LaFreniere (http://rhythmodynamics.com/index_en.htm choose MATTER of WAVES in the menu) show how the force of magnetism can be be made by waves. Then only some medium is needed for the waves to propagate in to making those theories ether theories.

"...Your wave theory fails when its using water as the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field..."
Don't be too sure about that. T.J.J. See made experiments using liquid and gas for the waves. His waves were sound waves. His conclusion is that the law is universal no matter the medium or the wavelengths used or the kind of waves used. Yuri N. Ivanov (theory of Rhythmodynamics) shows some of the experiments. Here is an example using ultrasound to suspend particles in the air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIi5tUupH9c (3:35). The field or pattern of the waves can simulate electric and magnetic fields depending on the distribution in space. Thus electric and magnetic fields are actually wave patterns. Gravity can be deduced from this too.

"Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?"
I have trouble finding it. The closest I come is this (http://www.rexresearch.com/see/seeewtpf.html): "Related : SEE, Thomas : Wave Theory ~ Introductory articles, & 8 papers ( PDF ) from Astronomische Nachrichten -- Gravity, magnetic & electrostatic fields are longitudinal or compression waves in aether; light, heat & radio are shear waves in aether, 'aetherons". Tesla supported See's theory, and confirmed parts of it."

I can't remember if it was from an article or an interview with Tesla. There is an interview on Tesla looking back at old age.

"Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?"
He was astronomer and studied the forces acting between the heavenly bodies and did different experiments from which he made his theory. He studied others theories and observations as well. See explains why mercury and water deflects in opposite ways when in touch with glass by only using the forces of waves.

Regards
Ole




---In [email protected], <eagleseeone@...> wrote :

I can but disagree on several grounds. but mostly no one else's theories have any magnetic properties other that Manly P Halls. And we live on a Magnet for Christs sake.

Its only 100% magnetic structures of Light. A watch hand will orientate itself to North Pole if floated on water. Two ships will do the same. The swirling ocean creates magnetiuc eddy currents that will CHARGE the ships metals. Moving water creates the strongest magnetic Fields for all matter. Your wave theory fails when its using water as the theory and does not take into account the Field Of Eddy Currents the ships and moving upon or anything else its under the influence of. Like a nail floating on a Magnetic Field. The nail becomes magnetised. 
Iron made before pre WW2 is highly sought after for probes and detectors as since the A Bombs all iron is contaminated. Doesn't take much in the invisible mind Body world. Your wave theory doesnt take into account the changes in Magnetic Fields just 2 feet, 2 inches or 2 miles or 2 Light years apart. The DNA pattern at conception is a NEW magnetic Field effected by everything in a geometric pattern as Astrology..I really dont have time for Poor wave theories in a Magnetic Universe.The Field VIBRATES and this sets up waves. 

Attraction and repulsion  or compression and expansion... or ying and yang. take your pick.

Tesla very much recommended the theory of T.J.J. See. Do you have a Link for that recommendation? Yes or no?
Our Age or Life span is very much integral to our speed through the Aether. A 1000 or more years is possible if earth is near stationary in the Aether. 

Humans cant theorize anything correctly. I really only recognize Spiritual Highlights.Whats TJJ's SOURCE ?

You think humans are smart but we are not. We are real live living self replicating Artificial Intelligence Robo Warriors. Incapable of an original thought. Original thoughts only come from Spirit.
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