Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto

In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
= 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
Would be nice if it could be  thru: 
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On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
    On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote:   
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       
   
   
     Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
       https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
     I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
       thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
       into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
       with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
       the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
       calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
       , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
       way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
       the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
       material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
       which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
     
     
 
       
 
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       Ever think of some "heat pumping"
 ???    Oscillating 20K
         amps!   all kinds of possibilities plus you may
 get "Lift off"
         at the right freq!  Lol
 
       
       
 
       On 3/22/2018
 11:47 AM, Dave Muckerman
         [email protected]
         [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
       
         
         
             
               
                 I be
                   damned, I see this could be use as a
 primary with
                   oscillating 20k amps.
                 But
                   cooling and heating the ends would be be
 energy costly
                   right?
 
                 
                 
                 
 
                   
 
                 
                 
                   
                     
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JakobI was very unclear as to whether it was dc or ac coming from such a rod formed into a circle and chilled one end, and heated the other..I suspect dc.Don't know how to use it in that application, maybe someone else does.Cheers Warren

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  On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 10:14 PM, Jakob Wall [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
= 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
Would be nice if it could be thru: 
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Ever think of some "heat pumping"
 ???    Oscillating 20K
 amps!   all kinds of possibilities plus you may
 get "Lift off"
 at the right freq!  Lol
 
 
 
 
 On 3/22/2018
 11:47 AM, Dave Muckerman
 [email protected]
 [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
 
  
 
 
 
 I be
 damned, I see this could be use as a
 primary with
 oscillating 20k amps.
 But
 cooling and heating the ends would be be
 energy costly
 right?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:23 AM,
 "Norman
 Wootan [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 
 
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Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :

 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected] mailto:[email protected]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Ever think of some "heat pumping"
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 at the right freq!  Lol
 
 
 
 
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 11:47 AM, Dave Muckerman
 laser.rod@... mailto:laser.rod@...
 [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
 
  
 
 
 
 I be
 damned, I see this could be use as a
 primary with
 oscillating 20k amps.
 But
 cooling and heating the ends would be be
 energy costly
 right?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
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"Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes

    Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> skrev:  
 
     
Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :

In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
= 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
Would be nice if it could be thru: 
--------------------------------------------

 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
Norman
couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
speak.So,
you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
other to get a potential difference between the
ends?You
say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
itself?
A
CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
it.Butane,
propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
sunlight?Now
lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
super charger on command?Pull
you electric airplane out of a stall?What
do we have here?Cheers
Warren
Sent
from Yahoo Mail on Android 
On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
[EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
wrote: 
 












Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
Patent. 
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
1/2 inch
thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
copper bar stock
into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
end of ring
with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
CO2, measured
the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
using Ohms Law
calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
amps. You say
, Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
current flows one
way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
other end via
the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
bridge is made of
material which will cause oscillations in the current
flow of
which I never built.  At least I did the
experiment.






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Ever think of some "heat pumping"
???    Oscillating 20K
amps!   all kinds of possibilities plus you may
get "Lift off"
at the right freq!  Lol




On 3/22/2018
11:47 AM, Dave Muckerman
laser.rod@...
[EVGRAY] wrote:


 



I be
damned, I see this could be use as a
primary with
oscillating 20k amps.
But
cooling and heating the ends would be be
energy costly
right?











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Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:23 AM,
"Norman
Wootan nwootan@...
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
wrote:








 



https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771


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Hi Hermes,

"What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.

From Wikipedia:
Lenz's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law states that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <hermesatar@...> wrote :

 
 "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
 

 What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes

 


 Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> skrev:
 

 

   Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :

 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected] mailto:[email protected]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
 ...

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and 
reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the 
Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the 
DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high 
amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in 
that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible 
reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when 
in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to 
alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I 
was very interested in the temperature differential causing the 
anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get 
back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.

On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Hermes,
>
> "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
> Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive 
> part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive 
> power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At 
> resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive 
> reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only 
> the resistive part of the circuit.
>
> From Wikipedia:
> Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states that 
> the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing 
> magnetic field <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such 
> that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the 
> initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law> 
> of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To 
> every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual 
> actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed 
> to contrary parts."
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <hermesatar@...> wrote :
>
> "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for 
> a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
>
> What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? 
> Best Wishes, Hermes
>
> Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] 
> <[email protected]> skrev:
>
>
> Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for 
> a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That 
> way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>
> In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru 
> the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
> = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil 
> around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
> should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the 
> voltage to 115Volt
> Would be nice if it could be thru:
> --------------------------------------------
>
>         On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>         <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>         Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>         To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>         Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>         Norman
>         couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>         description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>         speak.So,
>         you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>         thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>         other to get a potential difference between the
>         ends?You
>         say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>         itself?
>         A
>         CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>         it.Butane,
>         propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>         sunlight?Now
>         lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>         lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>         into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>         it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>         super charger on command?Pull
>         you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>         do we have here?Cheers
>         Warren
>         Sent
>         from Yahoo Mail on Android
>         On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>         AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>         [EVGRAY]<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>         wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>         Patent.
>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>         I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>         1/2 inch
>         thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>         copper bar stock
>         into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>         end of ring
>         with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>         CO2, measured
>         the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>         using Ohms Law
>         calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>         amps. You say
>         , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>         current flows one
>         way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>         other end via
>         the core conductivity. Really strange.  The
>         bridge is made of
>         material which will cause oscillations in the current
>         flow of
>         which I never built.  At least I did the
>         experiment.
>
>
>
>         ...
>
>

https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/

http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm

What is the Thompson Effect?


        One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If
        the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally increase
        the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a point where
        their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be greater than the
        work function and allow them to discharge into space. Due to the
        copper conductivity the electrons, instead of dissipating into
        the air, will shift in tremendous quantity toward the cool side
        in straight lines, following the heat propagation velocity. By
        reaction, excited electrons from the cool side will travel in
        the opposite direction at the speed of a particle (1/2 mv
        squared) toward the hot side encircling the copper rod by
        gyroscopic phenomenon and following the Fleming's rule. The
        product is very low voltage (few millivolts) as a resultant of
        the electrons traveling in circular motion. But, as in any
        electrical circuit, the EMF in the copper rod is governed by the
        Ohm's law (E/R=I), and will be in the range of several thousand
        amperes.

Peltier Effect


        In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one
        end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot end
        is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms become
        excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons of coper to
        reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part 1). By
        centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift toward the
        hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect to the cold
        positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson effect. Of
        course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are temporary; they
        last only until the proportion between the cool and the hot side
        reaches the electrons numerical balance. Let's now combine the
        Thompson and Peltier effects together in the thermocouple
        fashion. In the Thompson effect the electrons move from the hot
        side toward the cold side.

Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the 
whole theory of operation.  Norm


On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 Simple reading and reading 
> comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the Rex 
> Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA 
> of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high 
> amperage cyclic currents within the copper gave a scarlar effect in 
> that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible 
> reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when 
> in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to 
> alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. 
> I was very interested in the temperature differential causing the 
> anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get 
> back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.
>
> On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hermes,
>>
>> "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
>> Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive 
>> part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive 
>> power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At 
>> resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive 
>> reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only 
>> the resistive part of the circuit.
>>
>> From Wikipedia:
>> Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states that 
>> the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing 
>> magnetic field <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such 
>> that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the 
>> initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law> 
>> of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: 
>> To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the 
>> mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and 
>> directed to contrary parts."
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>
>> "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns 
>> for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
>>
>> What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? 
>> Best Wishes, Hermes
>>
>> Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] 
>> <[email protected]> skrev:
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for 
>> a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That 
>> way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>
>> In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru 
>> the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>> = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil 
>> around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>> should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the 
>> voltage to 115Volt
>> Would be nice if it could be thru:
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>>         On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>         <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>         Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>         To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>         Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>         Norman
>>         couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>         description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>         speak.So,
>>         you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>         thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>         other to get a potential difference between the
>>         ends?You
>>         say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>         itself?
>>         A
>>         CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>         it.Butane,
>>         propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>         sunlight?Now
>>         lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>         lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>         into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>         it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>         super charger on command?Pull
>>         you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>         do we have here?Cheers
>>         Warren
>>         Sent
>>         from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>         On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>         AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>         [EVGRAY]<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>         Patent.
>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>         I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>         1/2 inch
>>         thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>         copper bar stock
>>         into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>         end of ring
>>         with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>         CO2, measured
>>         the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>         using Ohms Law
>>         calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>         amps. You say
>>         , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>>         current flows one
>>         way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>         other end via
>>         the core conductivity. Really strange.  The
>>         bridge is made of
>>         material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>         flow of
>>         which I never built.  At least I did the
>>         experiment.
>>
>>
>>
>>         ...
>>
>>

Hi Hermes,

Depends how the capacitor is used.  Look to the Konhead motor, Doug is
brilliant at bypassing Lenz by using proper timing and polarity, a
capacitor can be used in this function.  What Ole says is mostly true in
a straight up non pulsed low Q circuit.  To really get some insight one
has to look at Hectors teachings of what makes RF.  Simple - brilliant,
no one else has figured out or if they have made public...

On 2/7/2019 2:36 PM, Hermes Atar Trismegistus [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for
> a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
>
> What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?
> Best Wishes, Hermes
>
> Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> skrev:
>
>
>  
>
> Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for
> a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That
> way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>
> In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru
> the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
> = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil
> around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
> should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the
> voltage to 115Volt
> Would be nice if it could be thru:
> --------------------------------------------
>
>     On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>     <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>     To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>"
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>     Norman
>     couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>     description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>     speak.So,
>     you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>     thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>     other to get a potential difference between the
>     ends?You
>     say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>     itself?
>     A
>     CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>     it.Butane,
>     propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>     sunlight?Now
>     lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>     lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>     into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>     it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>     super charger on command?Pull
>     you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>     do we have here?Cheers
>     Warren
>     Sent
>     from Yahoo Mail on Android
>     On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>     AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>     [EVGRAY]<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     wrote:
>      
>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
>     Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>     Patent. 
>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>     I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>     1/2 inch
>     thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>     copper bar stock
>     into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>     end of ring
>     with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>     CO2, measured
>     the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>     using Ohms Law
>     calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>     amps. You say
>     , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>     current flows one
>     way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>     other end via
>     the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
>     bridge is made of
>     material which will cause oscillations in the current
>     flow of
>     which I never built.  At least I did the
>     experiment.
>
>
>
>
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>     Ever think of some "heat pumping"
>     ???    Oscillating 20K
>     amps!   all kinds of possibilities plus you may
>     get "Lift off"
>     at the right freq!  Lol
>
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>
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>     On 3/22/2018
>     11:47 AM, Dave Muckerman
>     laser.rod@... <mailto:laser.rod@...>
>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>     I be
>     damned, I see this could be use as a
>     primary with
>     oscillating 20k amps.
>     But
>     cooling and heating the ends would be be
>     energy costly
>     right?
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>     Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:23 AM,
>     "Norman
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Warren,

Thanks for the lucidity. As with patents there is always something
more.  Why would the unit vibrate at the proper length?  It must be
phase locking to some other RF vibration or earth flux field else all
size rings would vibrate.

On 2/8/2019 9:02 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Norman
>
> Now let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
> I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent speaks of
> tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a crappy
> conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse conducting metals,
> but off hand, I am not sure.
> It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one end
> Well, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps, if it
> wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.
> Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got from
> China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!
> Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,
> What does a refrigeration compressor do?
> My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about heat
> differential.
> Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two thirds
> the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.
> Hmmmm?
> Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out of a
> crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the not quite
> continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just the right
> length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated, and the other cooled.
> How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this ring
> that is supposed to be there.
> How do we tap into the ring?
> Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end cold, one
> end the condenser, the other wrapped with an evaporator coil.
> Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc, with
> battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power drawn from
> the ring?
> Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?
> Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off the
> shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us to make and
> use.
> If it, indeed, works.
> This is a public forum, and it has all been publically disclosed, so
> lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some frigging monopoly on
> concepts here.
> The original patent has timed out, and is now also public....Just to
> be clear to all.
> Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?
> As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether
> something is practical or not.
> Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude connotations
> aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and
>     reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read
>     the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked
>     with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter
>     flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a
>     scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field
>     cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there
>     was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason
>     for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the
>     possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>     interested in the temperature differential causing the
>     anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we
>     get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.
>
>     On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Hermes,
>>
>>     "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
>>     Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>     reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to
>>     capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at
>>     resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size
>>     to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them
>>     cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
>>
>>     From Wikipedia:
>>     Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states
>>     that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a
>>     changing magnetic field
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that the
>>     magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial
>>     changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>     of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law
>>     III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction:
>>     or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always
>>     equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <hermesatar@...> <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>
>>     "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>     through it?"
>>
>>     What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>     added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>
>>     Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns
>>     for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through
>>     it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <wall_jakob@...> <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>
>>     In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar
>>     tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>     = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice
>>     coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>     should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the
>>     voltage to 115Volt
>>     Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>     --------------------------------------------
>>
>>             On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>             <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>             Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>             To: "[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>             Norman
>>             couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>             description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>             speak.So,
>>             you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>             thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>             other to get a potential difference between the
>>             ends?You
>>             say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>             itself?
>>             A
>>             CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>             it.Butane,
>>             propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>             sunlight?Now
>>             lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>             lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>             into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>             it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>             super charger on command?Pull
>>             you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>             do we have here?Cheers
>>             Warren
>>             Sent
>>             from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>             On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>             AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>             [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             wrote:
>>              
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>             Patent. 
>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>             I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>             1/2 inch
>>             thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>             copper bar stock
>>             into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>             end of ring
>>             with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>             CO2, measured
>>             the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>             using Ohms Law
>>             calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>             amps. You say
>>             , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>>             current flows one
>>             way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>             other end via
>>             the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
>>             bridge is made of
>>             material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>             flow of
>>             which I never built.  At least I did the
>>             experiment.
>>
>>
>>
>>             ...
>>
>

Warren, that is quite a task, to take a device which was designed to 
adjust your DNA and convert it into a power source.  Just as elusive as 
My and Hectors quest to harness Neutral Spike Energy. That will take 
quit some reverse engineering.

On 2/8/2019 9:11 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren,
>
> Thanks for the lucidity. As with patents there is always something 
> more.  Why would the unit vibrate at the proper length?  It must be 
> phase locking to some other RF vibration or earth flux field else all 
> size rings would vibrate.
>
> On 2/8/2019 9:02 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> Now let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
>> I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent speaks of 
>> tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a crappy 
>> conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse conducting 
>> metals, but off hand, I am not sure.
>> It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one end
>> Well, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps, if 
>> it wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.
>> Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got from 
>> China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!
>> Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,
>> What does a refrigeration compressor do?
>> My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about heat 
>> differential.
>> Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two 
>> thirds the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.
>> Hmmmm?
>> Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out of a 
>> crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the not quite 
>> continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just the right 
>> length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated, and the other 
>> cooled.
>> How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this ring 
>> that is supposed to be there.
>> How do we tap into the ring?
>> Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end cold, one 
>> end the condenser, the other wrapped with an evaporator coil.
>> Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc, with 
>> battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power drawn from 
>> the ring?
>> Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?
>> Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off the 
>> shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us to make 
>> and use.
>> If it, indeed, works.
>> This is a public forum, and it has all been publically disclosed, so 
>> lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some frigging monopoly 
>> on concepts here.
>> The original patent has timed out, and is now also public....Just to 
>> be clear to all.
>> Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?
>> As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether 
>> something is practical or not.
>> Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude connotations 
>> aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 Simple reading and
>>     reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read
>>     the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked
>>     with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and
>>     counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper
>>     gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field
>>     cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there
>>     was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason
>>     for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the
>>     possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>>     interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>     anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we
>>     get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG
>>     effect.
>>
>>     On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Hermes,
>>>
>>>     "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
>>>     Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>     reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power
>>>     to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at
>>>     resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size
>>>     to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes
>>>     them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
>>>
>>>     From Wikipedia:
>>>     Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states
>>>     that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a
>>>     changing magnetic field
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that the
>>>     magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the
>>>     initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons
>>>     third law
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>     of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law
>>>     III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction:
>>>     or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always
>>>     equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <hermesatar@...> <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it?"
>>>
>>>     What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>     added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>
>>>     Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is
>>>     made.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <wall_jakob@...> <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr
>>>     bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>     = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice
>>>     coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>     should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming
>>>     the voltage to 115Volt
>>>     Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>             <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>             To: "[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>             Norman
>>>             couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>             description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>             speak.So,
>>>             you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>             thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>>             other to get a potential difference between the
>>>             ends?You
>>>             say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>             itself?
>>>             A
>>>             CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>>             it.Butane,
>>>             propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>             sunlight?Now
>>>             lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>>             lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>>             into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>             it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>             super charger on command?Pull
>>>             you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>             do we have here?Cheers
>>>             Warren
>>>             Sent
>>>             from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>             On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>             AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>             [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>             Patent.
>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>             I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>             1/2 inch
>>>             thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>>             copper bar stock
>>>             into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>             end of ring
>>>             with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>             CO2, measured
>>>             the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>             using Ohms Law
>>>             calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>             amps. You say
>>>             , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends, the
>>>             current flows one
>>>             way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>             other end via
>>>             the core conductivity. Really strange.  The
>>>             bridge is made of
>>>             material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>             flow of
>>>             which I never built.  At least I did the
>>>             experiment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             ...
>>>
>

NormanNow let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent speaks of tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a crappy conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse conducting metals, but off hand, I am not sure.It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one endWell, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps, if it wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got from China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,What does a refrigeration compressor do?My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about heat differential.Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two thirds the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.Hmmmm?Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out of a crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the not quite continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just the right length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated, and the other cooled.How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this ring that is supposed to be there.How do we tap into the ring?Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end cold, one end the condenser, the other wrapped with an evaporator coil.Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc, with battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power drawn from the ring?Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off the shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us to make and use.If it, indeed, works.This is a public forum, and it has all been publically disclosed, so lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some frigging monopoly on concepts here.The original patent has timed out, and is now also public....Just to be clear to all.Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether something is practical or not.Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude connotations aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very interested in the temperature differential causing the anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.
 
 On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Hermes,
 
 "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
 Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
 
 From Wikipedia:
 Lenz's law states that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <hermesatar@...> wrote :
 
   "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?" 
  What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes
  
      Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> skrev: 
  
          
Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <wall_jakob@...> wrote :
 
 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
--------------------------------------------
 
 
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
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Ole,

I agree with your assessment scalar is a misnomer for a wave, for a
field fine.  Beardens fault...

On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> After reading about the Dotto ring it does look amazing. My belief is
> that the field given off by the ring is a powerful motional electric
> field (W.J. Hooper's research
> http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm). This could explain the
> antigravity effect. According to Hooper the electrons move faster in
> hot metals than in cold metals. At constant current in cold conductors
> few electrons move at a high speed while in hot conductors many
> electrons move at low speed. As the magnetic field is determined by
> the current only there's no difference in its size because of the
> temperature of the conductor. But as the motional electric field is
> also determined by the speed of the charges this has great influence
> on the size of the motional electric field. As the Dotto ring has
> different temperatures along the ring this means decelerating the
> speed of the electrons which again means electromagnetic radiation as
> in antennas. Citing from the F. Gibson report
> (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm):
>
> "These experiments show that the number of conduction electrons
> remains fairly constant at room temperatures and that the drift
> velocity increases linearly with the current. When resistance in the
> form of heat, carbon pile rheostat, or photo floods was added to the
> circuit, the number of conduction electrons decreased from that of
> room temperature and normal resistance while the drift velocity
> increased. At dry ice temperature and at low current, there were
> almost ten times as many conduction electrons moving, but moving very
> slowly, like cars on a crowded highway. As the amperage increased, the
> number of conduction electrons decreased rapidly, causing a greatly
> accelerated increase in the electron drift velocity. When AC current
> was put in the generator, it appeared that 3 to 4 times as many
> electrons were moving at low amperage as move under DC current at room
> temperature, but as with dry ice, when more electrons were moving,
> they were moving very slowly. By the time the amperage increased to 20
> amps the number of electrons had decreased to almost the same number
> as with DC current at room temperature. From 20 to 30 amps the number
> of electrons remained fairly constant. The electron drift velocity
> increased rapidly at low amperages and continued to increase but at a
> decreasing rate at higher amperages. 
>
> These observations regarding electron drift velocity and number of
> conduction electrons would appear to be more consistent with current
> theory regarding gases, semiconductors, and semi-metals, than with the
> current theory for metals. If these findings are true, they would seem
> to indicate that the conductivity of a metal is related to the number
> of electrons in motion and their velocity, both of which change with
> temperature and resistance."
>
> Looking at Alexey Chekurov's antigravity device this also has variable
> motional fields as well as a conventional permanent magnetic field
> which is actually rotating like in motors and generators. The motional
> part is done by mechanical rotating the rippled discs which gives much
> higher speeds than the normal conduction speed of electrons in metals.
>
> In the Dotto paper is mentioned scalar waves which is an oxymoron as
> waves can't be scalars and vice versa. Waves have a time factor as
> well as a direction besides their size (scalar) which is varying too.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm
>
> What is the Thompson Effect?
>
>
>         One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If
>         the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally increase
>         the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a point
>         where their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be greater
>         than the work function and allow them to discharge into space.
>         Due to the copper conductivity the electrons, instead of
>         dissipating into the air, will shift in tremendous quantity
>         toward the cool side in straight lines, following the heat
>         propagation velocity. By reaction, excited electrons from the
>         cool side will travel in the opposite direction at the speed
>         of a particle (1/2 mv squared) toward the hot side encircling
>         the copper rod by gyroscopic phenomenon and following the
>         Fleming's rule. The product is very low voltage (few
>         millivolts) as a resultant of the electrons traveling in
>         circular motion. But, as in any electrical circuit, the EMF in
>         the copper rod is governed by the Ohm's law (E/R=I), and will
>         be in the range of several thousand amperes.
>
> Peltier Effect
>
>
>         In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one
>         end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot
>         end is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms
>         become excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons of
>         coper to reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part 1). By
>         centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift toward
>         the hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect to the
>         cold positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson effect.
>         Of course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are temporary;
>         they last only until the proportion between the cool and the
>         hot side reaches the electrons numerical balance. Let's now
>         combine the Thompson and Peltier effects together in the
>         thermocouple fashion. In the Thompson effect the electrons
>         move from the hot side toward the cold side.
>
> Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the
> whole theory of operation.  Norm
>
>
> On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and
>>     reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read
>>     the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked
>>     with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and
>>     counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper
>>     gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field
>>     cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there
>>     was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason
>>     for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the
>>     possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>>     interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>     anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we
>>     get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG
>>     effect.
>>
>>     On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>>     wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Hi Hermes,
>>>
>>>     "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
>>>     Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>     reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power
>>>     to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at
>>>     resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size
>>>     to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes
>>>     them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
>>>
>>>     From Wikipedia:
>>>     Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states
>>>     that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a
>>>     changing magnetic field
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that the
>>>     magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the
>>>     initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons
>>>     third law
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>     of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law
>>>     III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction:
>>>     or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always
>>>     equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <hermesatar@...> <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it?"
>>>
>>>     What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>     added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>
>>>     Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is
>>>     made.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <wall_jakob@...> <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr
>>>     bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>     = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice
>>>     coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>     should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming
>>>     the voltage to 115Volt
>>>     Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>             <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>             To: "[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>             Norman
>>>             couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>             description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>             speak.So,
>>>             you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>             thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>>             other to get a potential difference between the
>>>             ends?You
>>>             say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>             itself?
>>>             A
>>>             CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>>             it.Butane,
>>>             propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>             sunlight?Now
>>>             lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>>             lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>>             into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>             it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>             super charger on command?Pull
>>>             you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>             do we have here?Cheers
>>>             Warren
>>>             Sent
>>>             from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>             On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>             AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>             [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>              
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>             Patent. 
>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>             I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>             1/2 inch
>>>             thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>>             copper bar stock
>>>             into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>             end of ring
>>>             with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>             CO2, measured
>>>             the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>             using Ohms Law
>>>             calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>             amps. You say
>>>             , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>>>             current flows one
>>>             way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>             other end via
>>>             the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
>>>             bridge is made of
>>>             material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>             flow of
>>>             which I never built.  At least I did the
>>>             experiment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             ....
>>>
>

Ole, take the time to watch this interesting presentation at the Royal 
Institute. http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66

On 2/9/2019 9:52 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> After reading about the Dotto ring it does look amazing. My belief is 
> that the field given off by the ring is a powerful motional electric 
> field (W.J. Hooper's research 
> http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm). This could explain the 
> antigravity effect. According to Hooper the electrons move faster in 
> hot metals than in cold metals. At constant current in cold conductors 
> few electrons move at a high speed while in hot conductors many 
> electrons move at low speed. As the magnetic field is determined by 
> the current only there's no difference in its size because of the 
> temperature of the conductor. But as the motional electric field is 
> also determined by the speed of the charges this has great influence 
> on the size of the motional electric field. As the Dotto ring has 
> different temperatures along the ring this means decelerating the 
> speed of the electrons which again means electromagnetic radiation as 
> in antennas. Citing from the F. Gibson report 
> (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm):
>
> "These experiments show that the number of conduction electrons 
> remains fairly constant at room temperatures and that the drift 
> velocity increases linearly with the current. When resistance in the 
> form of heat, carbon pile rheostat, or photo floods was added to the 
> circuit, the number of conduction electrons decreased from that of 
> room temperature and normal resistance while the drift velocity 
> increased. At dry ice temperature and at low current, there were 
> almost ten times as many conduction electrons moving, but moving very 
> slowly, like cars on a crowded highway. As the amperage increased, the 
> number of conduction electrons decreased rapidly, causing a greatly 
> accelerated increase in the electron drift velocity. When AC current 
> was put in the generator, it appeared that 3 to 4 times as many 
> electrons were moving at low amperage as move under DC current at room 
> temperature, but as with dry ice, when more electrons were moving, 
> they were moving very slowly. By the time the amperage increased to 20 
> amps the number of electrons had decreased to almost the same number 
> as with DC current at room temperature. From 20 to 30 amps the number 
> of electrons remained fairly constant. The electron drift velocity 
> increased rapidly at low amperages and continued to increase but at a 
> decreasing rate at higher amperages.
>
> These observations regarding electron drift velocity and number of 
> conduction electrons would appear to be more consistent with current 
> theory regarding gases, semiconductors, and semi-metals, than with the 
> current theory for metals. If these findings are true, they would seem 
> to indicate that the conductivity of a metal is related to the number 
> of electrons in motion and their velocity, both of which change with 
> temperature and resistance."
>
> Looking at Alexey Chekurov's antigravity device this also has variable 
> motional fields as well as a conventional permanent magnetic field 
> which is actually rotating like in motors and generators. The motional 
> part is done by mechanical rotating the rippled discs which gives much 
> higher speeds than the normal conduction speed of electrons in metals.
>
> In the Dotto paper is mentioned scalar waves which is an oxymoron as 
> waves can't be scalars and vice versa. Waves have a time factor as 
> well as a direction besides their size (scalar) which is varying too.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm
>
> What is the Thompson Effect?
>
>
>         One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If
>         the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally increase
>         the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a point
>         where their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be greater
>         than the work function and allow them to discharge into space.
>         Due to the copper conductivity the electrons, instead of
>         dissipating into the air, will shift in tremendous quantity
>         toward the cool side in straight lines, following the heat
>         propagation velocity. By reaction, excited electrons from the
>         cool side will travel in the opposite direction at the speed
>         of a particle (1/2 mv squared) toward the hot side encircling
>         the copper rod by gyroscopic phenomenon and following the
>         Fleming's rule. The product is very low voltage (few
>         millivolts) as a resultant of the electrons traveling in
>         circular motion. But, as in any electrical circuit, the EMF in
>         the copper rod is governed by the Ohm's law (E/R=I), and will
>         be in the range of several thousand amperes.
>
> Peltier Effect
>
>
>         In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one
>         end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot
>         end is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms
>         become excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons of
>         coper to reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part 1). By
>         centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift toward
>         the hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect to the
>         cold positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson effect.
>         Of course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are temporary;
>         they last only until the proportion between the cool and the
>         hot side reaches the electrons numerical balance. Let's now
>         combine the Thompson and Peltier effects together in the
>         thermocouple fashion. In the Thompson effect the electrons
>         move from the hot side toward the cold side.
>
> Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the 
> whole theory of operation.  Norm
>
>
> On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 Simple reading and
>>     reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read
>>     the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked
>>     with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and
>>     counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents within the copper
>>     gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field
>>     cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there
>>     was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason
>>     for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the
>>     possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>>     interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>     anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we
>>     get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG
>>     effect.
>>
>>     On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>>     wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Hermes,
>>>
>>>     "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
>>>     Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>     reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power
>>>     to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at
>>>     resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size
>>>     to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes
>>>     them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
>>>
>>>     >From Wikipedia:
>>>     Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states
>>>     that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a
>>>     changing magnetic field
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that the
>>>     magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the
>>>     initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons
>>>     third law
>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>     of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law
>>>     III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction:
>>>     or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always
>>>     equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <hermesatar@...> <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it?"
>>>
>>>     What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>     added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>
>>>     Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>     through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is
>>>     made.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <wall_jakob@...> <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr
>>>     bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>     = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice
>>>     coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>     should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming
>>>     the voltage to 115Volt
>>>     Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>             <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>             Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>             To: "[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>             Norman
>>>             couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>             description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>             speak.So,
>>>             you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>             thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>>             other to get a potential difference between the
>>>             ends?You
>>>             say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>             itself?
>>>             A
>>>             CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>>             it.Butane,
>>>             propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>             sunlight?Now
>>>             lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>>             lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>>             into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>             it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>             super charger on command?Pull
>>>             you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>             do we have here?Cheers
>>>             Warren
>>>             Sent
>>>             from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>             On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>             AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>             [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>             Patent.
>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>             I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>             1/2 inch
>>>             thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>>             copper bar stock
>>>             into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>             end of ring
>>>             with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>             CO2, measured
>>>             the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>             using Ohms Law
>>>             calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>             amps. You say
>>>             , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends, the
>>>             current flows one
>>>             way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>             other end via
>>>             the core conductivity. Really strange.  The
>>>             bridge is made of
>>>             material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>             flow of
>>>             which I never built.  At least I did the
>>>             experiment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             ...
>>>
>

Hi Norman,

After reading about the Dotto ring it does look amazing. My belief is that the field given off by the ring is a powerful motional electric field (W.J. Hooper's research http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm). This could explain the antigravity effect. According to Hooper the electrons move faster in hot metals than in cold metals. At constant current in cold conductors few electrons move at a high speed while in hot conductors many electrons move at low speed. As the magnetic field is determined by the current only there's no difference in its size because of the temperature of the conductor. But as the motional electric field is also determined by the speed of the charges this has great influence on the size of the motional electric field. As the Dotto ring has different temperatures along the ring this means decelerating the speed of the electrons which again means electromagnetic radiation as in antennas. Citing from the F. Gibson report (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm):
 "These experiments show that the number of conduction electrons remains fairly constant at room temperatures and that the drift velocity increases linearly with the current. When resistance in the form of heat, carbon pile rheostat, or photo floods was added to the circuit, the number of conduction electrons decreased from that of room temperature and normal resistance while the drift velocity increased. At dry ice temperature and at low current, there were almost ten times as many conduction electrons moving, but moving very slowly, like cars on a crowded highway. As the amperage increased, the number of conduction electrons decreased rapidly, causing a greatly accelerated increase in the electron drift velocity. When AC current was put in the generator, it appeared that 3 to 4 times as many electrons were moving at low amperage as move under DC current at room temperature, but as with dry ice, when more electrons were moving, they were moving very slowly. By the time the amperage increased to 20 amps the number of electrons had decreased to almost the same number as with DC current at room temperature. From 20 to 30 amps the number of electrons remained fairly constant. The electron drift velocity increased rapidly at low amperages and continued to increase but at a decreasing rate at higher amperages.  


 These observations regarding electron drift velocity and number of conduction electrons would appear to be more consistent with current theory regarding gases, semiconductors, and semi-metals, than with the current theory for metals. If these findings are true, they would seem to indicate that the conductivity of a metal is related to the number of electrons in motion and their velocity, both of which change with temperature and resistance."


Looking at Alexey Chekurov's antigravity device this also has variable motional fields as well as a conventional permanent magnetic field which is actually rotating like in motors and generators. The motional part is done by mechanical rotating the rippled discs which gives much higher speeds than the normal conduction speed of electrons in metals.

In the Dotto paper is mentioned scalar waves which is an oxymoron as waves can't be scalars and vice versa. Waves have a time factor as well as a direction besides their size (scalar) which is varying too.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/ https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/
 http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm

 What is the Thompson Effect?
 One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally increase the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a point where their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be greater than the work function and allow them to discharge into space. Due to the copper conductivity the electrons, instead of dissipating into the air, will shift in tremendous quantity toward the cool side in straight lines, following the heat propagation velocity. By reaction, excited electrons from the cool side will travel in the opposite direction at the speed of a particle (1/2 mv squared) toward the hot side encircling the copper rod by gyroscopic phenomenon and following the Fleming's rule. The product is very low voltage (few millivolts) as a resultant of the electrons traveling in circular motion. But, as in any electrical circuit, the EMF in the copper rod is governed by the Ohm's law (E/R=I), and will be in the range of several thousand amperes. Peltier Effect
 In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot end is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms become excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons of coper to reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part 1). By centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift toward the hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect to the cold positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson effect. Of course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are temporary; they last only until the proportion between the cool and the hot side reaches the electrons numerical balance. Let's now combine the Thompson and Peltier effects together in the thermocouple fashion. In the Thompson effect the electrons move from the hot side toward the cold side. Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the whole theory of operation.  Norm

 

 On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:

 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very interested in the temperature differential causing the anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.

 On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Hermes,
 
 "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
 Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
 
 From Wikipedia:
 Lenz's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law states that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <hermesatar@...> mailto:hermesatar@... wrote :
 
 "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
 

 What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes

 


 Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] skrev:
 

 

   Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <wall_jakob@...> mailto:wall_jakob@... wrote :
 
 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected] mailto:[email protected]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
 ...

Well over 5600 RVs had being looped and self sustaining all over the planet , not my fault if some cant make it ....or loopers just shut up upon noticing the reaction of other people and really don't try to insist on the evident , just have to be sure their lives does not get fucked beyond measure !  

how many have told here RV is ou and had posted the evidence , some even posting schematics 
and solutions , , only to be ignored totally at the first fancy distraction ! 

 
here just look at this red hot ass~ 


(H) 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Warren, that is quite a task, to take a device which was designed to adjust your DNA and convert it into a power source.  Just as elusive as My and Hectors quest to harness Neutral Spike Energy.   That will take quit some reverse engineering.

 On 2/8/2019 9:11 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Warren,
 Thanks for the lucidity. As with patents there is always something more.  Why would the unit vibrate at the proper length?  It must be phase locking to some other RF vibration or earth flux field else all size rings would vibrate.

 On 2/8/2019 9:02 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norman
 Now let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
 I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent speaks of tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a crappy conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse conducting metals, but off hand, I am not sure.
 It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one end
 Well, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps, if it wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.
 Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got from China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!
 Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,
 What does a refrigeration compressor do?
 My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about heat differential.
 Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two thirds the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.
 Hmmmm?
 Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out of a crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the not quite continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just the right length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated, and the other cooled.
 How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this ring that is supposed to be there.
 How do we tap into the ring?
 Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end cold, one end the condenser, the other wrapped with an evaporator coil.
 Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc, with battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power drawn from the ring?
 Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?
 Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off the shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us to make and use.
 If it, indeed, works.
 This is a public forum, and it has all been publically disclosed, so lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some frigging monopoly on concepts here.
 The original patent has timed out, and is now also public....Just to be clear to all.
 Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?
 As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether something is practical or not.
 Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude connotations aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
 On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:

   
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very interested in the temperature differential causing the anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.

 On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Hermes,
 
 "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
 Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
 
 From Wikipedia:
 Lenz's law states that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <hermesatar@...> mailto:hermesatar@... wrote :
 
 "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
 

 What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes

 


 Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] skrev:
 

 

   Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <wall_jakob@...> mailto:wall_jakob@... wrote :
 
 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected] mailto:[email protected]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
 ...

Hector,

Why don't you kick down the build specs in easy to understand
instructions in order to get the serious power out of the thing it's
capable of.  If people understood that kilowatts are possible not just a
few hundred the many here who have RV's and had RV's may just upgrade
their RV's and you would have nothing to bitch about.

Your the inventor so take the people the extra distance in order to
power their homes instead.

Nice ass!

On 2/9/2019 5:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Well over 5600 RVs had being looped and self sustaining all over the
> planet , not my fault if some cant make it ....or loopers just shut up
> upon noticing the reaction of other people and really don't try to
> insist on the evident , just have to be sure their lives does not get
> fucked beyond measure ! 
>
> how many have told here RV is ou and had posted the evidence , some
> even posting schematics
> and solutions , , only to be ignored totally at the first fancy
> distraction !
>
>  
> here just look at this red hot ass~
>
>
> (H)
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Warren, that is quite a task, to take a device which was designed to
> adjust your DNA and convert it into a power source.  Just as elusive
> as My and Hectors quest to harness Neutral Spike Energy.   That will
> take quit some reverse engineering.
>
> On 2/8/2019 9:11 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Warren,
>>
>>     Thanks for the lucidity. As with patents there is always
>>     something more.  Why would the unit vibrate at the proper
>>     length?  It must be phase locking to some other RF vibration or
>>     earth flux field else all size rings would vibrate.
>>
>>     On 2/8/2019 9:02 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>     <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Norman
>>>
>>>     Now let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
>>>     I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent
>>>     speaks of tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a
>>>     crappy conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse
>>>     conducting metals, but off hand, I am not sure.
>>>     It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one end
>>>     Well, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps,
>>>     if it wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.
>>>     Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got
>>>     from China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!
>>>     Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,
>>>     What does a refrigeration compressor do?
>>>     My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about
>>>     heat differential.
>>>     Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two
>>>     thirds the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.
>>>     Hmmmm?
>>>     Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out
>>>     of a crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the
>>>     not quite continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just
>>>     the right length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated,
>>>     and the other cooled.
>>>     How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this
>>>     ring that is supposed to be there.
>>>     How do we tap into the ring?
>>>     Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end
>>>     cold, one end the condenser, the other wrapped with an
>>>     evaporator coil.
>>>     Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc,
>>>     with battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power
>>>     drawn from the ring?
>>>     Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?
>>>     Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off
>>>     the shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us
>>>     to make and use.
>>>     If it, indeed, works.
>>>     This is a public forum, and it has all been publically
>>>     disclosed, so lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some
>>>     frigging monopoly on concepts here.
>>>     The original patent has timed out, and is now also
>>>     public....Just to be clear to all.
>>>     Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?
>>>     As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether
>>>     something is practical or not.
>>>     Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude
>>>     connotations aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>         <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple
>>>         reading and reading comprehension are totally different
>>>         animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand
>>>         how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My
>>>         understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage
>>>         cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in
>>>         that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even
>>>         possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of
>>>         photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing
>>>         up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible
>>>         reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>>>         interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>>         anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned.
>>>         Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization
>>>         causing the AG effect.
>>>
>>>         On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>         [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Hermes,
>>>>
>>>>         "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor
>>>>         is added?"
>>>>         Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>>         reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive
>>>>         power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive
>>>>         power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive
>>>>         reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but
>>>>         of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the
>>>>         resistive part of the circuit.
>>>>
>>>>         From Wikipedia:
>>>>         Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law>
>>>>         states that the direction of the current induced in a
>>>>         conductor by a changing magnetic field
>>>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that
>>>>         the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes
>>>>         the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to
>>>>         Newtons third law
>>>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>>         of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies:
>>>>         "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal
>>>>         reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each
>>>>         other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <hermesatar@...>
>>>>         <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>         "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use
>>>>         1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of
>>>>         current through it?"
>>>>
>>>>         What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>>         added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>>
>>>>         Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@...
>>>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>>         turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of
>>>>         current through it? That way at least a thousand amps
>>>>         magnetic field is made.
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <wall_jakob@...>
>>>>         <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>         In canada its probably good enought just to stick the
>>>>         copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>>         = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a
>>>>         nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>>         should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after
>>>>         transforming the voltage to 115Volt
>>>>         Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>>         --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor
>>>>                 schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>>                 <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>>                 To: "[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>"
>>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>                 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>>                 Norman
>>>>                 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>>                 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>>                 speak.So,
>>>>                 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>>                 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and
>>>>                 freeze the
>>>>                 other to get a potential difference between the
>>>>                 ends?You
>>>>                 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>>                 itself?
>>>>                 A
>>>>                 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you
>>>>                 want
>>>>                 it.Butane,
>>>>                 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>>                 sunlight?Now
>>>>                 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You
>>>>                 suggest a
>>>>                 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of
>>>>                 you toy,
>>>>                 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>>                 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>>                 super charger on command?Pull
>>>>                 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>>                 do we have here?Cheers
>>>>                 Warren
>>>>                 Sent
>>>>                 from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>                 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>>                 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>>                 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>                 wrote:
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>>                 Patent. 
>>>>                 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>>                 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>>                 1/2 inch
>>>>                 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>>>                 copper bar stock
>>>>                 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>>                 end of ring
>>>>                 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>>                 CO2, measured
>>>>                 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>>                 using Ohms Law
>>>>                 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>>                 amps. You say
>>>>                 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>>>>                 current flows one
>>>>                 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>>                 other end via
>>>>                 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
>>>>                 bridge is made of
>>>>                 material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>>                 flow of
>>>>                 which I never built.  At least I did the
>>>>                 experiment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 ....
>>>>
>

Hector,

By the way not sure if you received my request but can you recommend a
book keeper or CPA in PR that speaks English and knows their tax shit solid?

On 2/9/2019 5:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Well over 5600 RVs had being looped and self sustaining all over the
> planet , not my fault if some cant make it ....or loopers just shut up
> upon noticing the reaction of other people and really don't try to
> insist on the evident , just have to be sure their lives does not get
> fucked beyond measure ! 
>
> how many have told here RV is ou and had posted the evidence , some
> even posting schematics
> and solutions , , only to be ignored totally at the first fancy
> distraction !
>
>  
> here just look at this red hot ass~
>
>
> (H)
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Warren, that is quite a task, to take a device which was designed to
> adjust your DNA and convert it into a power source.  Just as elusive
> as My and Hectors quest to harness Neutral Spike Energy.   That will
> take quit some reverse engineering.
>
> On 2/8/2019 9:11 AM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Warren,
>>
>>     Thanks for the lucidity. As with patents there is always
>>     something more.  Why would the unit vibrate at the proper
>>     length?  It must be phase locking to some other RF vibration or
>>     earth flux field else all size rings would vibrate.
>>
>>     On 2/8/2019 9:02 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>     <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Norman
>>>
>>>     Now let us try to put this in layman's terms.Simple ones.
>>>     I start to get a glimmer of understanding, when the patent
>>>     speaks of tuning the resistor metal length. Stainless steel is a
>>>     crappy conductor, compared to copper. There might be worse
>>>     conducting metals, but off hand, I am not sure.
>>>     It is spoken of using resistance coils to heat the one end
>>>     Well, off the bat, we know how to improve that problem, perhaps,
>>>     if it wln't interfere with those cyclic whatevers.
>>>     Lets use our cheap and cheery 12 volt induction furnace we got
>>>     from China, to be used for the Tesla pan cake coil tests!
>>>     Cooling? OKAY. HEY! Wait a minute,
>>>     What does a refrigeration compressor do?
>>>     My heat pump takes from A, and delivers to B. It is all about
>>>     heat differential.
>>>     Now, we know that heat pumps are over unity, saving perhaps two
>>>     thirds the energy required to heat, using resistance elements.
>>>     Hmmmm?
>>>     Okay, so then we have a turnbuckle or screw adjustment made out
>>>     of a crappy conducting metal joining the two open ends of the
>>>     not quite continuous ring made of copper, until by getting just
>>>     the right length, it starts to vibrate when one end is heated,
>>>     and the other cooled.
>>>     How about the pay off? We are trying to get energy out of this
>>>     ring that is supposed to be there.
>>>     How do we tap into the ring?
>>>     Running the compressor makes one end hot, and the other end
>>>     cold, one end the condenser, the other wrapped with an
>>>     evaporator coil.
>>>     Can we use our induction coil to start the rig on 12 volts dc,
>>>     with battery, then drive the 12 volt compressor with the power
>>>     drawn from the ring?
>>>     Norman. Where would you draw the power from this oscillating ring?
>>>     Now, the magical thing about all of this, is that it is all off
>>>     the shelf now, and free of any stinking patents, for all of us
>>>     to make and use.
>>>     If it, indeed, works.
>>>     This is a public forum, and it has all been publically
>>>     disclosed, so lurkers can just suck eggs regarding getting some
>>>     frigging monopoly on concepts here.
>>>     The original patent has timed out, and is now also
>>>     public....Just to be clear to all.
>>>     Trouble is, can it in fact be done, and will it work?
>>>     As always, it is the bench that proves, or disproves, whether
>>>     something is practical or not.
>>>     Someone once said  "build it, and they will come" Rude
>>>     connotations aside, maybe they will, with fresh underwear.
>>>     Cheers Warren
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 7:27 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>         <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple
>>>         reading and reading comprehension are totally different
>>>         animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand
>>>         how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My
>>>         understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage
>>>         cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in
>>>         that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even
>>>         possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of
>>>         photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing
>>>         up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible
>>>         reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very
>>>         interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>>         anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned.
>>>         Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization
>>>         causing the AG effect.
>>>
>>>         On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>>         [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Hermes,
>>>>
>>>>         "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor
>>>>         is added?"
>>>>         Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>>         reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive
>>>>         power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive
>>>>         power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive
>>>>         reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but
>>>>         of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the
>>>>         resistive part of the circuit.
>>>>
>>>>         From Wikipedia:
>>>>         Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law>
>>>>         states that the direction of the current induced in a
>>>>         conductor by a changing magnetic field
>>>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that
>>>>         the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes
>>>>         the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to
>>>>         Newtons third law
>>>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>>         of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies:
>>>>         "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal
>>>>         reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each
>>>>         other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <hermesatar@...>
>>>>         <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>         "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use
>>>>         1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of
>>>>         current through it?"
>>>>
>>>>         What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>>         added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>>
>>>>         Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@...
>>>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>
>>>>         Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>>         turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of
>>>>         current through it? That way at least a thousand amps
>>>>         magnetic field is made.
>>>>
>>>>         Regards
>>>>         Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         ---In [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>, <wall_jakob@...>
>>>>         <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>         In canada its probably good enought just to stick the
>>>>         copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>>         = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a
>>>>         nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>>         should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after
>>>>         transforming the voltage to 115Volt
>>>>         Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>>         --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor
>>>>                 schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>>                 <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>>                 To: "[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>"
>>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>                 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>>                 Norman
>>>>                 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>>                 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>>                 speak.So,
>>>>                 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>>                 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and
>>>>                 freeze the
>>>>                 other to get a potential difference between the
>>>>                 ends?You
>>>>                 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>>                 itself?
>>>>                 A
>>>>                 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you
>>>>                 want
>>>>                 it.Butane,
>>>>                 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>>                 sunlight?Now
>>>>                 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You
>>>>                 suggest a
>>>>                 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of
>>>>                 you toy,
>>>>                 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>>                 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>>                 super charger on command?Pull
>>>>                 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>>                 do we have here?Cheers
>>>>                 Warren
>>>>                 Sent
>>>>                 from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>                 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>>                 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>>                 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>                 wrote:
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>>                 Patent. 
>>>>                 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>>                 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>>                 1/2 inch
>>>>                 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
>>>>                 copper bar stock
>>>>                 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>>                 end of ring
>>>>                 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>>                 CO2, measured
>>>>                 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>>                 using Ohms Law
>>>>                 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>>                 amps. You say
>>>>                 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
>>>>                 current flows one
>>>>                 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>>                 other end via
>>>>                 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
>>>>                 bridge is made of
>>>>                 material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>>                 flow of
>>>>                 which I never built.  At least I did the
>>>>                 experiment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 ....
>>>>
>

Hi Norman,

Good video. Akira confirms the Rhythmodynamics theory in this old video. Even when beaming succeeding single electrons through the electron microscope the result is that interference patterns are made. 

The picture of the bubble memory 'field lines' looks more like interference patterns too:
 
This looks like the simulations made by the Rhythmodynamics theory. I really don't see them as lines but more like standing waves made by interference of traveling waves. This would also describe why single electrons can make interference patterns as they actually are waves of electromagnetic fields like told by W.B. Smith or I. Catt. At the end of the video the vortices are annihilating each other when they meet and their spin directions cancel. Consider the vortices like smoke rings or phase locked fields forming a particle.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ole, take the time to watch this interesting presentation at the Royal Institute.  http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66 http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66
 On 2/9/2019 9:52 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Norman,
 
 After reading about the Dotto ring it does look amazing. My belief is that the field given off by the ring is a powerful motional electric field (W.J. Hooper's research http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm). This could explain the antigravity effect. According to Hooper the electrons move faster in hot metals than in cold metals. At constant current in cold conductors few electrons move at a high speed while in hot conductors many electrons move at low speed. As the magnetic field is determined by the current only there's no difference in its size because of the temperature of the conductor. But as the motional electric field is also determined by the speed of the charges this has great influence on the size of the motional electric field. As the Dotto ring has different temperatures along the ring this means decelerating the speed of the electrons which again means electromagnetic radiation as in antennas. Citing from the F. Gibson report (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm):
 
 "These experiments show that the number of conduction electrons remains fairly constant at room temperatures and that the drift velocity increases linearly with the current. When resistance in the form of heat, carbon pile rheostat, or photo floods was added to the circuit, the number of conduction electrons decreased from that of room temperature and normal resistance while the drift velocity increased. At dry ice temperature and at low current, there were almost ten times as many conduction electrons moving, but moving very slowly, like cars on a crowded highway. As the amperage increased, the number of conduction electrons decreased rapidly, causing a greatly accelerated increase in the electron drift velocity. When AC current was put in the generator, it appeared that 3 to 4 times as many electrons were moving at low amperage as move under DC current at room temperature, but as with dry ice, when more electrons were moving, they were moving very slowly. By the time the amperage increased to 20 amps the number of electrons had decreased to almost the same number as with DC current at room temperature. From 20 to 30 amps the number of electrons remained fairly constant. The electron drift velocity increased rapidly at low amperages and continued to increase but at a decreasing rate at higher amperages.  
 
 
 These observations regarding electron drift velocity and number of conduction electrons would appear to be more consistent with current theory regarding gases, semiconductors, and semi-metals, than with the current theory for metals. If these findings are true, they would seem to indicate that the conductivity of a metal is related to the number of electrons in motion and their velocity, both of which change with temperature and resistance."

 
 Looking at Alexey Chekurov's antigravity device this also has variable motional fields as well as a conventional permanent magnetic field which is actually rotating like in motors and generators. The motional part is done by mechanical rotating the rippled discs which gives much higher speeds than the normal conduction speed of electrons in metals.
 
 In the Dotto paper is mentioned scalar waves which is an oxymoron as waves can't be scalars and vice versa. Waves have a time factor as well as a direction besides their size (scalar) which is varying too.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/ https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/
 http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm

 What is the Thompson Effect?
 One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally increase the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a point where their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be greater than the work function and allow them to discharge into space. Due to the copper conductivity the electrons, instead of dissipating into the air, will shift in tremendous quantity toward the cool side in straight lines, following the heat propagation velocity. By reaction, excited electrons from the cool side will travel in the opposite direction at the speed of a particle (1/2 mv squared) toward the hot side encircling the copper rod by gyroscopic phenomenon and following the Fleming's rule. The product is very low voltage (few millivolts) as a resultant of the electrons traveling in circular motion. But, as in any electrical circuit, the EMF in the copper rod is governed by the Ohm's law (E/R=I), and will be in the range of several thousand amperes. Peltier Effect
 In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot end is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms become excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons of coper to reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part 1). By centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift toward the hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect to the cold positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson effect. Of course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are temporary; they last only until the proportion between the cool and the hot side reaches the electrons numerical balance. Let's now combine the Thompson and Peltier effects together in the thermocouple fashion. In the Thompson effect the electrons move from the hot side toward the cold side. Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the whole theory of operation.  Norm

 

 On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:

 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771    Simple reading and reading comprehension are totally different animals.  Please read the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring worked with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring and counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents  within the copper gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic field cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since there was an emission of photon energy when in operation.  The reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was very interested in the temperature differential causing the anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG effect.

 On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Hermes,
 
 "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added?"
 Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
 
 >From Wikipedia:
 Lenz's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law states that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field is such that the magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons third law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts."
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <hermesatar@...> mailto:hermesatar@... wrote :
 
 "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it?"
 

 What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is added? Best Wishes, Hermes

 


 Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] skrev:
 

 

   Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000 turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is made.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <wall_jakob@...> mailto:wall_jakob@... wrote :
 
 In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
 = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
 should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming the voltage to 115Volt
 Would be nice if it could be thru: 
 --------------------------------------------
 On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
 To: "[email protected] mailto:[email protected]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
 Norman
 couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
 description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
 speak.So,
 you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
 thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
 other to get a potential difference between the
 ends?You
 say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
 itself?
 A
 CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
 it.Butane,
 propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
 sunlight?Now
 lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
 lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
 into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
 it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
 super charger on command?Pull
 you electric airplane out of a stall?What
 do we have here?Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@...
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected] mailto:[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
 Patent. 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
 I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
 1/2 inch
 thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch  of pure
 copper bar stock
 into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
 end of ring
 with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
 CO2, measured
 the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
 using Ohms Law
 calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
 amps. You say
 , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends,  the
 current flows one
 way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
 other end via
 the core conductivity.   Really strange.  The
 bridge is made of
 material which will cause oscillations in the current
 flow of
 which I never built.  At least I did the
 experiment.
 
 
 
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Hi Norman,

Good video. Akira confirms the Rhythmodynamics theory in this old video. Even when beaming succeeding single electrons through the electron microscope the result is that interference patterns are made. 

The picture of the bubble memory 'field lines' looks more like interference patterns too:
 
This looks like the simulations made by the Rhythmodynamics theory. I really don't see them as lines but more like standing waves made by interference of traveling waves. This would also describe why single electrons can make interference patterns as they actually are waves of electromagnetic fields like told by W.B. Smith or I. Catt. At the end of the video the vortices are annihilating each other when they meet and their spin directions cancel. Consider the vortices like smoke rings or phase locked fields forming a particle.

Regards
Ole
 

 

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Norman,

Good video. Akira confirms the Rhythmodynamics theory in this old video. Even when beaming succeeding single electrons through the electron microscope the result is that interference patterns are made. 

The picture of the bubble memory 'field lines' looks more like interference patterns too:

Bart, Man slow down.� Sounds like you have been smoking your crop. I 
would like to help you understand something, If I could figure out what 
you are tying to build?????

On 2/9/2019 1:51 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norman,
>
> ��������� I am trying to comprehend and envision your build with the 
> desired outcome.
> Once I was a millwright for a Hudson Bay store, once finished i had a 
> truck load of lexan� cuts.
> I used them up over the years . I made some vacuum sealed boxes and 
> had leads through for convenience.
> Perhaps the same could be done and inject a low value of a phosphorous 
> combination (aluminum, magnesium or what have you) in reference to
> have a visual on the charging vortex's� shape and desire of results on 
> input.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* February 9, 2019 11:17 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>
> Ole, take the time to watch this interesting presentation at the Royal 
> Institute. http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66 
> <http://vega.org.uk/video/programme/66>
>
> On 2/9/2019 9:52 AM, [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Norman,
>>
>> After reading about the Dotto ring it does look amazing. My belief is 
>> that the field given off by the ring is a powerful motional electric 
>> field (W.J. Hooper's research 
>> http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm). This could explain the 
>> antigravity effect. According to Hooper the electrons move faster in 
>> hot metals than in cold metals. At constant current in cold 
>> conductors few electrons move at a high speed while in hot conductors 
>> many electrons move at low speed. As the magnetic field is determined 
>> by the current only there's no difference in its size because of the 
>> temperature of the conductor. But as the motional electric field is 
>> also determined by the speed of the charges this has great influence 
>> on the size of the motional electric field. As the Dotto ring has 
>> different temperatures along the ring this means decelerating the 
>> speed of the electrons which again means electromagnetic radiation as 
>> in antennas. Citing from the F. Gibson report 
>> (http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/gibson.htm):
>>
>> "These experiments show that the number of conduction electrons 
>> remains fairly constant at room temperatures and that the drift 
>> velocity increases linearly with the current. When resistance in the 
>> form of heat, carbon pile rheostat, or photo floods was added to the 
>> circuit, the number of conduction electrons decreased from that of 
>> room temperature and normal resistance while the drift velocity 
>> increased. At dry ice temperature and at low current, there were 
>> almost ten times as many conduction electrons moving, but moving very 
>> slowly, like cars on a crowded highway. As the amperage increased, 
>> the number of conduction electrons decreased rapidly, causing a 
>> greatly accelerated increase in the electron drift velocity. When AC 
>> current was put in the generator, it appeared that 3 to 4 times as 
>> many electrons were moving at low amperage as move under DC current 
>> at room temperature, but as with dry ice, when more electrons were 
>> moving, they were moving very slowly. By the time the amperage 
>> increased to 20 amps the number of electrons had decreased to almost 
>> the same number as with DC current at room temperature. From 20 to 30 
>> amps the number of electrons remained fairly constant. The electron 
>> drift velocity increased rapidly at low amperages and continued to 
>> increase but at a decreasing rate at higher amperages.
>>
>> These observations regarding electron drift velocity and number of 
>> conduction electrons would appear to be more consistent with current 
>> theory regarding gases, semiconductors, and semi-metals, than with 
>> the current theory for metals. If these findings are true, they would 
>> seem to indicate that the conductivity of a metal is related to the 
>> number of electrons in motion and their velocity, both of which 
>> change with temperature and resistance."
>>
>> Looking at Alexey Chekurov's antigravity device this also has 
>> variable motional fields as well as a conventional permanent magnetic 
>> field which is actually rotating like in motors and generators. The 
>> motional part is done by mechanical rotating the rippled discs which 
>> gives much higher speeds than the normal conduction speed of 
>> electrons in metals.
>>
>> In the Dotto paper is mentioned scalar waves which is an oxymoron as 
>> waves can't be scalars and vice versa. Waves have a time factor as 
>> well as a direction besides their size (scalar) which is varying too.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, 
>> <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> https://www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/1430589-dotto-ring/
>>
>> http://www.keelynet.com/biology/dotto.htm
>>
>> What is the Thompson Effect?
>>
>>
>>         One end of a copper rod is heated and the other is cooled. If
>>         the hot side is heated high enough, it will thermally
>>         increase the kinetic energy of the outer orbit electrons to a
>>         point where their kinetic energy (1/2 mv squared) will be
>>         greater than the work function and allow them to discharge
>>         into space. Due to the copper conductivity the electrons,
>>         instead of dissipating into the air, will shift in tremendous
>>         quantity toward the cool side in straight lines, following
>>         the heat propagation velocity. By reaction, excited electrons
>>         from the cool side will travel in the opposite direction at
>>         the speed of a particle (1/2 mv squared) toward the hot side
>>         encircling the copper rod by gyroscopic phenomenon and
>>         following the Fleming's rule. The product is very low voltage
>>         (few millivolts) as a resultant of the electrons traveling in
>>         circular motion. But, as in any electrical circuit, the EMF
>>         in the copper rod is governed by the Ohm's law (E/R=I), and
>>         will be in the range of several thousand amperes.
>>
>> Peltier Effect
>>
>>
>>         In a metal alloy bar (such as constantan, 60% Cu, 40% Ni) one
>>         end is heated and the other is maintained cold. When the hot
>>         end is heated enough, electrons of nickel and copper atoms
>>         become excited. The electrons of nickel force the electrons
>>         of coper to reverse orbital spinning (as described in Part
>>         1). By centripetal force electrons from the cool side shift
>>         toward the hot side. The hot side becomes negative in respect
>>         to the cold positive side, exactly opposite to the Thompson
>>         effect. Of course, the Thompson and the Peltier effects are
>>         temporary; they last only until the proportion between the
>>         cool and the hot side reaches the electrons numerical
>>         balance. Let's now combine the Thompson and Peltier effects
>>         together in the thermocouple fashion. In the Thompson effect
>>         the electrons move from the hot side toward the cold side.
>>
>> Ole, Hermes, I suggest a little pipe smoking time here and grasp the 
>> whole theory of operation.� Norm
>>
>>
>> On 2/8/2019 6:26 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771 Simple reading and
>>>     reading comprehension are totally different animals.� Please
>>>     read the Rex Research article to understand how the Dotto Ring
>>>     worked with the DNA of the body. My understanding of the ring
>>>     and counter flow of high amperage cyclic currents� within the
>>>     copper gave a scarlar effect in that there was partial magnetic
>>>     field cancellation and even possible reconnect phenomenon since
>>>     there was an emission of photon energy when in operation.� The
>>>     reason for my bringing up of the Dotto Ring was to alert you as
>>>     to the possible reconnect phenomenon here in this device. I was
>>>     very interested in the temperature differential causing the
>>>     anti-gravity effect just as Walter Russel had mentioned. Here we
>>>     get back into on of my pet theory of ionization causing the AG
>>>     effect.
>>>
>>>     On 2/7/2019 5:32 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>     wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Hermes,
>>>>
>>>>     "What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>>     added?"
>>>>     Nothing will happen to Lenz's law by adding capacitors. The
>>>>     reactive part of the power can be shifted from inductive power
>>>>     to capacitive power or simply cancel the inductive power when
>>>>     at resonance. At resonance the inductive reactance is equal in
>>>>     size to the capacitive reactance but of opposite sign. This
>>>>     makes them cancel to leave only the resistive part of the circuit.
>>>>
>>>>     >From Wikipedia:
>>>>     Lenz's law <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz%27s_law> states
>>>>     that the direction of the current induced in a conductor by a
>>>>     changing magnetic field
>>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field> is such that the
>>>>     magnetic field created by the induced current opposes the
>>>>     initial changing magnetic field. This is similar to Newtons
>>>>     third law
>>>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newtons_3rd_Law>
>>>>     of motion in physics when talking about motion of bodies: "Law
>>>>     III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction:
>>>>     or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always
>>>>     equal, and directed to contrary parts."
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>     <hermesatar@...> <mailto:hermesatar@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>     "Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>>     through it?"
>>>>
>>>>     What happens with Lenz Law in an inductor if a capacitor is
>>>>     added? Best Wishes, Hermes
>>>>
>>>>     Den torsdag 7 februari 2019 15:28:28 CET, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> skrev:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Wouldn't it be easier and more energy efficient to use 1000
>>>>     turns for a winding and then send one or more amps of current
>>>>     through it? That way at least a thousand amps magnetic field is
>>>>     made.
>>>>
>>>>     Regards
>>>>     Ole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>>     <wall_jakob@...> <mailto:wall_jakob@...> wrote :
>>>>
>>>>     In canada its probably good enought just to stick the copperr
>>>>     bar tru the wall, -23 outsiide, +22 inside
>>>>     = 55 Degree difference, here you go. Don't forget to wind a
>>>>     nice coil around the rod. ''Thousends of amps''
>>>>     should be enough to induce 30 amps 115volt after transforming
>>>>     the voltage to 115Volt
>>>>     Would be nice if it could be thru:
>>>>     --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>             On Sun, 2/3/19, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
>>>>             <mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@...> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Patent, Dotto
>>>>             To: "[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>"
>>>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>             Received: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 7:58
>>>>             Norman
>>>>             couldn't open the attachment link on my phone, but your
>>>>             description of the ring experiment was cool, so to
>>>>             speak.So,
>>>>             you take a 3 foot length of solid copper bar stock 1/2"
>>>>             thick, and roll it in a ring. Heat one end, and freeze the
>>>>             other to get a potential difference between the
>>>>             ends?You
>>>>             say current? Lots of current? How does it manifest
>>>>             itself?
>>>>             A
>>>>             CO2 fire extinguisher gets you dry ice any time you want
>>>>             it.Butane,
>>>>             propane, what ever, gets you heat, maybe concentrated
>>>>             sunlight?Now
>>>>             lets talk making a practical fun gadget here! You suggest a
>>>>             lot of amps. How do you lead those suckers out of you toy,
>>>>             into the big World so we can have fun with them.Can
>>>>             it make the tires of my Tesla screech? A hot rodder's
>>>>             super charger on command?Pull
>>>>             you electric airplane out of a stall?What
>>>>             do we have here?Cheers
>>>>             Warren
>>>>             Sent
>>>>             from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>             On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 8:25
>>>>             AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>>             [EVGRAY]<[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Talking about Anti-Gravity, take a look at this
>>>>             Patent.
>>>>             https://patents.google.com/patent/US3839771
>>>>             I actually formed a Dotto ring out of 2 inch wide X
>>>>             1/2 inch
>>>>             thick X 36 inch long yielding a 12 inch� of pure
>>>>             copper bar stock
>>>>             into the familiar ring design of Dotto. By heating one
>>>>             end of ring
>>>>             with butane flame and cooling other end with liquid
>>>>             CO2, measured
>>>>             the millivolt differential of the ring ends and ,
>>>>             using Ohms Law
>>>>             calculated a flowing current of several thousands of
>>>>             amps. You say
>>>>             , Flowing with open circuit of ring ends, the
>>>>             current flows one
>>>>             way on the surface of the copper and returns to the
>>>>             other end via
>>>>             the core conductivity. Really strange.� The
>>>>             bridge is made of
>>>>             material which will cause oscillations in the current
>>>>             flow of
>>>>             which I never built.� At least I did the
>>>>             experiment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             ...
>>>>
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