Battery charging

Hi Kone,

What have you found to be the best way to charge batteries with the
flyback pulse to allow the super fast charging and high energy discharge
Bedini type response, what is the maximum voltage you allow into  a lead
acid, do you limit voltage with a zener or simply size the coil accordingly?

Once the flyback is run into a cap does the negatricity OU charging
effect in lead acid no longer appear for you?

My experiments with a cap before the battery always ruined the effect
but maybe you have other experiences.

Thanks,

Mick

PS beware of those big dick beavers, they could be sexually non binary
or at least some kind of oxymoronic animal.  They did have some killer
acid in the 70's, beaverpane...

MickMy experiment with charging those blg deep cycle golf cart batteries seemed to be a success.
I made a very large Bedini wheel, from a extra 316 stainless yacht wheel about 30" in diameter, because it just happened to be laying around. I hot glued 18 ferrite magnets around the rim, and made a Bedini coil up from 450 ft of #20 magnet wire, bifilar, and twisted together, as per instructions.I made up the standard circuit.I mounted it all on a 3/8" plexiglas disc that I also happened to have laying around, and welded up a three strutted bearing holder, so the rotating shaft might be also used in experiments.This wheel rotated rotated at about 100 rpm using a little leas acid garden tractor battery I picked up at Walmart at some lost leader sale for $12. I hooked up my two 6v deep cycle golf cart batteries from my boat, 225 amps each, and put in series for 12 volts.They had been charged with my home made wind generators for the last several years, since there is no power available to our swing moorings at our Toronto club.Initially, other than the wheel going round, nothing much happened the first day, running it in my studio.Non the less I was thrilled just to get the wheel turning.Over the next couple of days, there began a progressive increase in voltage in the two deep cycles, and a very modest draw down in the garden tractor battery.It took nearly a week, or so to charge those batteries the first time, but they really were charged.The interesting thing was the amperage going in, did not match the 225 amps of the fully charged deep cycle batteries. The garden tractor battery was down , but not too bad.With this scanty evidence, I opened my big mouth, to my friends at the boat club, telling about what I was doing, ( because I found it interesting, and somewhat exciting, at the time)I offered to store, and experiment with their batteries, too, during winter lay up, using my heated studio, not far from the club. So in effect, it became a group experiment with about ten battery sets, of 12 volts each.I started out using my charged deep cycle batteries to run the Bedini, charging their batteries, all at once,  in parallel, just letting it go, but checking mine from time, to time, to see how the voltage was doing.As we were fairly busy at work, I gave my assistant Luiza, the job of keeping an eye on the battery voltages, while the wheel turned 24/7 on the Bedini.I was also participating in the Bedini group on the computer.A pattern was emerging. When the batteries would charge up, then get rotated to burn off some charge, doing something like running a big dc turntable, with a 3/4 hp motor, they were taking less, and less, time to charge up each time, until by April, we were seeing a charge in as little as 15 minutes to 14.24 from 12.1v.Luiza was getting fairly pissed doing all the messing with batteries, as it was taking a toll on her wardrobe, turning her outfits into lacey ruins, with the acid environment around them.It was time to have everybody pick up their batteries, all nicely charged, and kept warm for the winter.All the next season, everyone gave glowing testimonials about how well their batteries were performing, keeping a charge for the whole season.While some might be attributed to getting a sucker to maintain their batteries all winter, there seems to have been something else going on in this battery charging, because the charging speed was way faster after several cycles on the wheel than before. As far as I could measure, there were zero amps put in from the charger, just a 300 volt spike at each pulse.Later, I recycled a Bearden coil to make up a Rene charger.It seems to operate in a very similar manner.Cheers Warren
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  On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 11:04 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Kone,

What have you found to be the best way to charge batteries with the
flyback pulse to allow the super fast charging and high energy discharge
Bedini type response, what is the maximum voltage you allow into  a lead
acid, do you limit voltage with a zener or simply size the coil accordingly?

Once the flyback is run into a cap does the negatricity OU charging
effect in lead acid no longer appear for you?

My experiments with a cap before the battery always ruined the effect
but maybe you have other experiences.

Thanks,

Mick

PS beware of those big dick beavers, they could be sexually non binary
or at least some kind of oxymoronic animal.  They did have some killer
acid in the 70's, beaverpane...


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Hi Mick
For lead acid battery flyback charging follow Warrens Bedini wheel succezs...personally I wouldn't put anything in circuit to suppress the spike.
I  know Rick Fredricjh ecommends a neon bulb of certain voltage limiting  purpose to save the mosfeys in the stuff he sells but my meager opinion is use brush commutator for least resistance plus the destructive transient spikes now not such a big worry.
Just as long as you always have the spike gathering reservoir hooked up to flyback steering diode, that destructive transient is going to hit the battery and not go  back through mosfet or transistor and fry it...so never operate if solidstatte without the charging baytery....as for csps.you will have problem whenever you disconnect cap from flyback diode and coil to discharge it to load (battery) non reflectivrto input, so solution for that is to have two steering diodes and two collector-caps, discharge cap A while cap B fills and vice versa....now you will be doing a sort of AC output if you choose to flip polarity each cap discharges.
Anyways my meager advice for charging lead acid 12vbatteriez with cap discharge is knock cap into battery at one second intervals, discharge cap when it is at 36v, and let cap drop down to 23v no less than that...cap discharge to charge is not same as flyback charge perhaps you can make cap discharge style work better in that it uses less energy to fill the caps and charhes battery faster and better but flyback charge into lead acids sure is simple..
For rotovertor motor charging via run cap phase, if running RV on 120vac and you have similar voltage across your run cap, put a FWBR AC legs across that run cap, then DC side straight into lead acid battery...more in parallel the better this very dangerous the DC you can't "shake off" like AC if you in process of being Lee trocuted, also if you disconnect battery on DC side of FWBR there is good chance of bad shock e en without touching anything...just fingers near will give you a jolt...so always first disconnect FWBR on AC side first, then disconnect battery.
Hector likes to run a step down transformer in series off the run cap phase to charge batteries at 14.5v or so 
Lately he parralled this charge into batteries with  HVDC too in that rotovertor battery charging loop circuit he has put up 20 times this year at least...so 12 battery powed an invertor, invertor runs rotovertor motor at 120vac, then series step down transformer into fwbr back into battery to charve... Then also Line 2 of rotovertor gets the HVDC fwbr treatment and this slams into same battery.
Kone

Kone,

Thanks for the in depth and the safety tip, stuff like that is important
for people to know!  Luckily pulsed dc is not as nasty as steady state
when it comes to nerve locking.  Have you noticed a difference in the
type of charge the battery gets with the cap system vs straight flyback.

I think the good old moving magnet like Warren had might be the ultimate
as far as chargers go, not so sure this is so simple to replicate as the
solid state type Bedini claims...

On 1/17/2019 2:09 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> For lead acid battery flyback charging follow Warrens Bedini wheel
> succezs...personally I wouldn't put anything in circuit to suppress
> the spike.
> I know Rick Fredricjh ecommends a neon bulb of certain voltage
> limiting purpose to save the mosfeys in the stuff he sells but my
> meager opinion is use brush commutator for least resistance plus the
> destructive transient spikes now not such a big worry.
> Just as long as you always have the spike gathering reservoir hooked
> up to flyback steering diode, that destructive transient is going to
> hit the battery and not go back through mosfet or transistor and fry
> it...so never operate if solidstatte without the charging
> baytery....as for csps.you will have problem whenever you disconnect
> cap from flyback diode and coil to discharge it to load (battery) non
> reflectivrto input, so solution for that is to have two steering
> diodes and two collector-caps, discharge cap A while cap B fills and
> vice versa....now you will be doing a sort of AC output if you choose
> to flip polarity each cap discharges.
> Anyways my meager advice for charging lead acid 12vbatteriez with cap
> discharge is knock cap into battery at one second intervals, discharge
> cap when it is at 36v, and let cap drop down to 23v no less than
> that...cap discharge to charge is not same as flyback charge perhaps
> you can make cap discharge style work better in that it uses less
> energy to fill the caps and charhes battery faster and better but
> flyback charge into lead acids sure is simple..
> For rotovertor motor charging via run cap phase, if running RV on
> 120vac and you have similar voltage across your run cap, put a FWBR AC
> legs across that run cap, then DC side straight into lead acid
> battery...more in parallel the better this very dangerous the DC you
> can't "shake off" like AC if you in process of being Lee trocuted,
> also if you disconnect battery on DC side of FWBR there is good chance
> of bad shock e en without touching anything...just fingers near will
> give you a jolt...so always first disconnect FWBR on AC side first,
> then disconnect battery.
> Hector likes to run a step down transformer in series off the run cap
> phase to charge batteries at 14.5v or so
> Lately he parralled this charge into batteries with HVDC too in that
> rotovertor battery charging loop circuit he has put up 20 times this
> year at least...so 12 battery powed an invertor, invertor runs
> rotovertor motor at 120vac, then series step down transformer into
> fwbr back into battery to charve... Then also Line 2 of rotovertor
> gets the HVDC fwbr treatment and this slams into same battery.
> Kone
>
>

DougI forgot to mentionUsing a RV capacitor circuit in series to run a 12 volt trolling outboard boat motor, with a step down multi tap transformer , and bridge rectifier, there was an unused 24 volt tap on the transformer, so I rectified that and ran the Rene charger to charge a bank of 5 amp gell cells(12 volt)Any single gell cell could run the RV.No additional load could be measured using the Rene charger, so anyone caring to self run, could figure out an Arduino driven relay switching system, or even a geared down mechanical system.I didn't bother, being greedy for much more power. But the concept is there,  & works.Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 2:10 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick
For lead acid battery flyback charging follow Warrens Bedini wheel succezs...personally I wouldn't put anything in circuit to suppress the spike.
I know Rick Fredricjh ecommends a neon bulb of certain voltage limiting purpose to save the mosfeys in the stuff he sells but my meager opinion is use brush commutator for least resistance plus the destructive transient spikes now not such a big worry.
Just as long as you always have the spike gathering reservoir hooked up to flyback steering diode, that destructive transient is going to hit the battery and not go back through mosfet or transistor and fry it...so never operate if solidstatte without the charging baytery....as for csps.you will have problem whenever you disconnect cap from flyback diode and coil to discharge it to load (battery) non reflectivrto input, so solution for that is to have two steering diodes and two collector-caps, discharge cap A while cap B fills and vice versa....now you will be doing a sort of AC output if you choose to flip polarity each cap discharges.
Anyways my meager advice for charging lead acid 12vbatteriez with cap discharge is knock cap into battery at one second intervals, discharge cap when it is at 36v, and let cap drop down to 23v no less than that...cap discharge to charge is not same as flyback charge perhaps you can make cap discharge style work better in that it uses less energy to fill the caps and charhes battery faster and better but flyback charge into lead acids sure is simple..
For rotovertor motor charging via run cap phase, if running RV on 120vac and you have similar voltage across your run cap, put a FWBR AC legs across that run cap, then DC side straight into lead acid battery...more in parallel the better this very dangerous the DC you can't "shake off" like AC if you in process of being Lee trocuted, also if you disconnect battery on DC side of FWBR there is good chance of bad shock e en without touching anything...just fingers near will give you a jolt...so always first disconnect FWBR on AC side first, then disconnect battery.
Hector likes to run a step down transformer in series off the run cap phase to charge batteries at 14.5v or so 
Lately he parralled this charge into batteries with HVDC too in that rotovertor battery charging loop circuit he has put up 20 times this year at least...so 12 battery powed an invertor, invertor runs rotovertor motor at 120vac, then series step down transformer into fwbr back into battery to charve... Then also Line 2 of rotovertor gets the HVDC fwbr treatment and this slams into same battery.
Kone


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Mick, at last count, there were more than 2500 Bedini wheel replications
Other than sorting out a damn wheel, that is smooth running and non magnetic, and you can stick magnets to, there is just the coil of about 450 ft x2 wound around a bundle of soft steel wire, as a coreOld fashioned copper coated gas welding rods about 1/16" diameter, are nice and straight, easy to cut the whole box cross section to coil length, at once, when bound with tape using a thin abrasive blade in your chop saw.A couple of thin plywood, or plexi discs will work as spool ends. Some people used CDs!Try to make the coil square, as fat, as long.Then there is the Bedini circuit, with the 3055. Just make it exactly as Bedini recommends.Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 4:50 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Kone, 
 
 
Thanks for the in depth and the safety tip, stuff like that is important for people to know!  Luckily pulsed dc is not as nasty as steady state when it comes to nerve locking.  Have you noticed a difference in the type of charge the battery gets with the cap system vs straight flyback.
 
I think the good old moving magnet like Warren had might be the ultimate as far as chargers go, not so sure this is so simple to replicate as the solid state type Bedini claims...
 
 On 1/17/2019 2:09 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick
 For lead acid battery flyback charging follow Warrens Bedini wheel succezs...personally I wouldn't put anything in circuit to suppress the spike.
 I know Rick Fredricjh ecommends a neon bulb of certain voltage limiting purpose to save the mosfeys in the stuff he sells but my meager opinion is use brush commutator for least resistance plus the destructive transient spikes now not such a big worry.
 Just as long as you always have the spike gathering reservoir hooked up to flyback steering diode, that destructive transient is going to hit the battery and not go back through mosfet or transistor and fry it...so never operate if solidstatte without the charging baytery....as for csps.you will have problem whenever you disconnect cap from flyback diode and coil to discharge it to load (battery) non reflectivrto input, so solution for that is to have two steering diodes and two collector-caps, discharge cap A while cap B fills and vice versa....now you will be doing a sort of AC output if you choose to flip polarity each cap discharges.
 Anyways my meager advice for charging lead acid 12vbatteriez with cap discharge is knock cap into battery at one second intervals, discharge cap when it is at 36v, and let cap drop down to 23v no less than that...cap discharge to charge is not same as flyback charge perhaps you can make cap discharge style work better in that it uses less energy to fill the caps and charhes battery faster and better but flyback charge into lead acids sure is simple..
 For rotovertor motor charging via run cap phase, if running RV on 120vac and you have similar voltage across your run cap, put a FWBR AC legs across that run cap, then DC side straight into lead acid battery...more in parallel the better this very dangerous the DC you can't "shake off" like AC if you in process of being Lee trocuted, also if you disconnect battery on DC side of FWBR there is good chance of bad shock e en without touching anything...just fingers near will give you a jolt...so always first disconnect FWBR on AC side first, then disconnect battery.
 Hector likes to run a step down transformer in series off the run cap phase to charge batteries at 14.5v or so 
 Lately he parralled this charge into batteries with HVDC too in that rotovertor battery charging loop circuit he has put up 20 times this year at least...so 12 battery powed an invertor, invertor runs rotovertor motor at 120vac, then series step down transformer into fwbr back into battery to charve... Then also Line 2 of rotovertor gets the HVDC fwbr treatment and this slams into same battery.
 Kone
 
 
  
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Hi Mick
I do notice "difference"  between flyback spike charging lead acid batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach 
But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart  traction type batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out of backup computer battery banks ...and  would come to wrong conclusion this way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast etc. but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long windec videos. 
Kone

Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and
did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or
did you just go with the 470 no tune system ?

On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mick
> I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid
> batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
> too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would
> say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach
> But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries)
> over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not
> made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen
> if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the
> very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case
> of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so
> made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe
> :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type
> batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
> I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for
> years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out
> of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this
> way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast
> etc. but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such
> a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my
> opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i
> don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public
> making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long
> windec videos.
> Kone
> 
>

Hi Kone,

No shit that guys videos are the must boring fucking things and his
stuff is rather expensive.  I spoke to him and he seemed very
unscientific about the differences I just brought up.  I think he is
close on the Smith stuff but really doesn't quite get it, what Norm and
Hector already know.  Got to turn the signal to RF and convert and use a
magnetic flux pump.  But on the good side he is maintaining a presence
and does have some good info if one can stand hearing his shitty
microphone and watching long winded boring weirdness.

Thanks for the traction battery info, super important.  I wish I could
get a solid answer concerning charging lithium ion with flyback if one
removes the chip.

On 1/17/2019 10:16 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid
> batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC
> approach too...wbich is more practical and works better and more
> sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach
> But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction
> batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad
> becauze they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles,
> rather just about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine starting
> batteries. or even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for
> backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for example is the
> only time the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf for
> years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but
> not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type batteries are
> rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
> I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits
> for years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap
> salvaged out of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to
> wrong conclusion this way of that way works like shit or thiz way
> raisez voltagw twice as fast etc. but actually I made bad choice of
> batteries so my experience not such a great experience to tell you
> what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my
> experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i don't quite trust
> Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public making money
> and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long windec
> videos.
> Kone
>
>

Hi DougYou have it about right regarding deep cycle batteries, which are entirely primitive, with each plate between 1/8" and even as much as 3/16" thick rectangles of lead, hanging in the acid bath electrolyte, like fins in a radiator.Of course they have, trite little details, like plastic or glass separators, or as they descend into portable types, trying to be more compact, and take up less space, they are made from stampings, sinterized powdered lead, set in alloy grids, making them more complex, and more useless for this kind of rapid binary charge we are talking about.Imagine for a moment, plates the thickness of aluminium foil, dipped in acid.On discharge, big holes of corrosion form much like car bodies in salt spray. Each time you re- charge there is less surface area
there to re-plate lead ions from the solution on to. Thus, each charge gives you less amperage from that battery.My theory, borrowed, and inspired entirely from Richard Feynman, is that with our high voltage, no amp zaps, we are not doing a galvanic type deposit of lead ions on the surface of the lead plate.Rather, each charge, done by pulsing high voltage dc spikes, creates a layer of a peculiar form of lead ions that are crystalline, in nature, on top of the conventional lead metal plate surface. Each subsequent charge, after, links up in a matrix array, another layer thick, connected to the substrate ions.This keeps happening, each charge, discharge, cycle, making more useable material to, in fact, be the electronic binary battery, rather than an old fashioned galvanic metal plating operation.This may be an application of quantum physics, rather than Newtonian, and provides a glimpse at an entirely different energy storage system that can rapidly charge, almost like a capacitor, but at a tremendous levered advantage, more like an electronic component such as a mosfet, needing a small amount of energy to release a large amount.Yet, this is different.By experiment, each charge has more capacity, okay, another layer!But wait! There is more! It takes less charging time to go from discharged, to charged!This is all on near zero amp spikes going in, but roughly 300 volts of dc in that spike.You get steady solid amps out over an entire summer, sitting on a mooring, listening to your stereo, cooling your food, and lighting your lamps, in an unusual, durable, and sustaned manner, that you remark to each other, that this is highly unusual, from these batteries stored in Warren's shop, and charged with his"Bedini"There is a phenomena here that demands an excuse based on my loosey goosey experiments, andbnb this conclusion is my best shot at what was observed.Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 10:16 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick
I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach 
But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast etc. but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long windec videos. 
Kone
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JamesI went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode number,
10k pot, etc.as I remember it.It was correct to the bookMy coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructionsCheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or did you just go with the 470 no tune system ?

On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
Hi Mick
I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach 
But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast etc.. but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long windec videos. 
Kone
   
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I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking about doing
the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates pretty good like it
is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but
500 pages he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction he
sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up
and running and move on to other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of
youkon jack with do the trick .

On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James
> I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no
> variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode number,
> 10k pot, etc.as I remember it.
> It was correct to the book
> My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and
> did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or
> did you just go with the 470 no tune system ?
>
> On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick
> I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid
> batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
> too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would
> say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach
> But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries)
> over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not
> made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen
> if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the
> very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case
> of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so
> made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe
> :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type
> batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
> I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for
> years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out
> of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this
> way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast
> etc.. but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such
> a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my
> opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i
> don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public
> making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long
> windec videos.
> Kone
>
> 
>

Hi James,

I would question if he has it working as a high power system. I know he
has it working similar to my wireless charging system but that is at
about a 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was getting with magnetic
flux paths.

If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the point of
powering a house from a system with a few capacitors or if he requires
batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this would make the
distinction.

On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking about
> doing the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates pretty
> good like it is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think
> ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages he's got it working and gives a lot
> of info on construction he sounded pretty impressed about dons work .
>  .I'll see bog if I can get up and running and move on to other things
> . stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon jack with do the trick .
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     James
>
>     I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no
>     variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode
>     number,
>     10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>     It was correct to the book
>     My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions
>     Cheers Warren
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>         On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski
>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>          
>
>         Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470
>         ohm ones and did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in
>         series to fine tune it or did you just go with the 470 no tune
>         system ?
>
>         On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>              
>
>             Hi Mick
>             I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging
>             lead acid batteries and straight cap charging lead acids
>             and also the HVDC approach too...wbich is more practical
>             and works better and more sffecienr I would say is the
>             flyback Bedini wheel approach
>             But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids,
>             (traction batteries) over fairly short period of time the
>             batteries go bad becauze they are not made to do thousands
>             of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen if
>             regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or
>             even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for
>             backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for
>             example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so
>             made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few
>             hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in
>             sense golf cart traction type batteries are rechargeable
>             after thousands d cycles running loads.
>             I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery
>             charging circuits for years using small sealed lead acids
>             I got from surplus cheap salvaged out of backup computer
>             battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this
>             way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw
>             twice as fast etc... but actually I made bad choice of
>             batteries so my experience not such a great experience to
>             tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi
>             ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and
>             Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he
>             is selling stuff to public making money and is doing lots
>             of bedini bashing on his very boring long windec videos.
>             Kone
>
>

Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion on his
work .he said that in the front of his book he has the twin coil resonant
experiment of dons with the two small coils you might of seen .he said they
have gotten 10 times the out put on those coils than normal .I think he
using the coils as a see you can do it .demo . if true then that moves this
subject  forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the thing that's
all ways disconcerted me was the claim you don't need a scope to do the
work like on bedini wheel when frankly they used one .kinda misdirection
.they might not need one being immersed in the subject but most like to see
what the hells going on . later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ?
That said ...to self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries . something
like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they don't hold the
charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its good to go .for every day
.full charge .that's impressive warrens charging big golf cart bats from a
garden bat reminds me of johns vid with the real big bank of bats being
charged by several flash light bats .a small solar panel might be all you
need to keep things going .

On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi James,
>
> I would question if he has it working as a high power system. I know he
> has it working similar to my wireless charging system but that is at about
> a 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
>
> If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the point of
> powering a house from a system with a few capacitors or if he requires
> batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this would make the
> distinction.
> On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking about doing
> the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates pretty good like it
> is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but
> 500 pages he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction he
> sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up
> and running and move on to other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of
> youkon jack with do the trick .
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James
>> I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no
>> variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode number,
>> 10k pot, etc.as I remember it.
>> It was correct to the book
>> My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and
>> did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or
>> did you just go with the 470 no tune system ?
>>
>> On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mick
>> I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid
>> batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
>> too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would
>> say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach
>> But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction
>> batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze
>> they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just
>> about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or
>> even worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for
>> computers in case of grid failure for example is the only time the
>> batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for
>> only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense
>> golf cart traction type batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles
>> running loads.
>> I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for
>> years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out
>> of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this
>> way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast
>> etc... but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not
>> such a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have
>> my opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i
>> don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public
>> making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long
>> windec videos.
>> Kone
>>
>> 
>

James,

I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about resonant gain
between high Q coils, there is much more to what Don was doing than the
resonant gain side of the concept, much closer to what Norm has been
pointing us towards.  So unless he can power resistance heaters of a
couple thousand watts with no batteries he does not have it yet.

On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion on
> his work .he said that in the front of his book he has the twin coil
> resonant experiment of dons with the two small coils you might of seen
> .he said they have gotten 10 times the out put on those coils than
> normal .I think he using the coils as a see you can do it .demo . if
> true then that moves this subject  forward somewhat .I need to
> replicate that first .the thing that's all ways disconcerted me was
> the claim you don't need a scope to do the work like on bedini wheel
> when frankly they used one .kinda misdirection .they might not need
> one being immersed in the subject but most like to see what the hells
> going on . later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said
> ...to self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
> pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries .
> something like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they don't
> hold the charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its good to go
> .for every day .full charge .that's impressive warrens charging big
> golf cart bats from a garden bat reminds me of johns vid with the real
> big bank of bats being charged by several flash light bats .a small
> solar panel might be all you need to keep things going .
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Hi James,
>
>     I would question if he has it working as a high power system. I
>     know he has it working similar to my wireless charging system but
>     that is at about a 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was
>     getting with magnetic flux paths.
>
>     If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the point
>     of powering a house from a system with a few capacitors or if he
>     requires batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this would
>     make the distinction.
>
>     On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking
>>     about doing the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates
>>     pretty good like it is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I
>>     think ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages he's got it working and
>>     gives a lot of info on construction he sounded pretty impressed
>>     about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up and running and
>>     move on to other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon
>>     jack with do the trick .
>>
>>     On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
>>     [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>          
>>
>>         James
>>
>>         I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit
>>         with no variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon
>>         tube, diode number,
>>         10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>>         It was correct to the book
>>         My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions
>>         Cheers Warren
>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>             On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski
>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             wrote:
>>              
>>
>>             Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the
>>             470 ohm ones and did you use the I think I was the 1000
>>             ohm pot in series to fine tune it or did you just go with
>>             the 470 no tune system ?
>>
>>             On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Hi Mick
>>                 I do notice "difference" between flyback spike
>>                 charging lead acid batteries and straight cap
>>                 charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
>>                 too...wbich is more practical and works better and
>>                 more sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini
>>                 wheel approach
>>                 But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids,
>>                 (traction batteries) over fairly short period of time
>>                 the batteries go bad becauze they are not made to do
>>                 thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just
>>                 about a dozen if regular car batteries or marine
>>                 starting batteries. or even worse the very common7ah
>>                 sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers
>>                 in case of grid failure for example is the only time
>>                 the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf
>>                 for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe
>>                 :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense
>>                 golf cart traction type batteries are rechargeable
>>                 after thousands d cycles running loads.
>>                 I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery
>>                 charging circuits for years using small sealed lead
>>                 acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out of backup
>>                 computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong
>>                 conclusion this way of that way works like shit or
>>                 thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast etc... but
>>                 actually I made bad choice of batteries so my
>>                 experience not such a great experience to tell you
>>                 what is best conclusively.. I just have my opi
>>                 ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren
>>                 and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh
>>                 totally as he is selling stuff to public making money
>>                 and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very
>>                 boring long windec videos.
>>                 Kone
>>
>

Warren,

I have been trying explain how the Smith device works via the magnetic
flux pulsing Norm is on about, yes the inductive cooker comes closest as
it is designed to dump flux into an iron cooking skillet.  If you have
noticed the induction cooking coil has ferrite sections for this
reason.  There are two poss flux designss at play not including the
preconditioned Sparky magnets.  One is the flux pumping emp magnetic
reconnect and the other is a similar concept bi-bidirectionally where
the flux of permanent magnets is switched in polarity through a coil by
forcing into one or another flux circuit a la: AT Star, DS Toffolo, Ray
Radus, Joe Flynn etc.  Straight up resonance is not going to get one
very far without many niggling issues of load tuning, temperature drift
etc. and much lower gain unless one is talking the resonance of two
cores switching flux.  I assume Smith was using two cores he was
saturating out of phase with one another so they would flux switch.


On 1/22/2019 10:23 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick, James,
>
> I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.
> My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
> I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts, trying to make
> sense of them, and further, trying to make them.
> My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral bifilar coils on
> an induction hot plate from Walmart.
> I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a Dremel
> tool placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the output to the motor..
> The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an iron pot so
> it cut short my sport.
> Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.
> Thanks for the reminder
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     James,
>
>     I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about resonant
>     gain between high Q coils, there is much more to what Don was
>     doing than the resonant gain side of the concept, much closer to
>     what Norm has been pointing us towards.  So unless he can power
>     resistance heaters of a couple thousand watts with no batteries he
>     does not have it yet.
>
>     On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion
>>     on his work .he said that in the front of his book he has the
>>     twin coil resonant experiment of dons with the two small coils
>>     you might of seen .he said they have gotten 10 times the out put
>>     on those coils than normal .I think he using the coils as a see
>>     you can do it .demo . if true then that moves this subject
>>      forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the thing
>>     that's all ways disconcerted me was the claim you don't need a
>>     scope to do the work like on bedini wheel when frankly they used
>>     one .kinda misdirection .they might not need one being immersed
>>     in the subject but most like to see what the hells going on .
>>     later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said ...to
>>     self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
>>     pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries .
>>     something like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they
>>     don't hold the charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its
>>     good to go .for every day .full charge .that's impressive warrens
>>     charging big golf cart bats from a garden bat reminds me of johns
>>     vid with the real big bank of bats being charged by several flash
>>     light bats .a small solar panel might be all you need to keep
>>     things going .
>>
>>     On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Hi James,
>>
>>         I would question if he has it working as a high power system.
>>         I know he has it working similar to my wireless charging
>>         system but that is at about a 4x1 gain, nothing like the
>>         gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
>>
>>         If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the
>>         point of powering a house from a system with a few capacitors
>>         or if he requires batteries to charge with his version of DS
>>         gen this would make the distinction.
>>
>>         On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and
>>>         thinking about doing the up grade to fine tune but right now
>>>         it desulfates pretty good like it is .I'm getting ricks book
>>>         on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages
>>>         he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction
>>>         he sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog
>>>         if I can get up and running and move on to other things .
>>>         stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon jack with do the trick .
>>>
>>>         On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
>>>         [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             James
>>>
>>>             I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard
>>>             circuit with no variation in parts, right down to the
>>>             miniature neon tube, diode number,
>>>             10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>>>             It was correct to the book
>>>             My coil might have been excessive, compared to the
>>>             instructions
>>>             Cheers Warren
>>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>                 On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski
>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>                 [EVGRAY]
>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of
>>>                 the 470 ohm ones and did you use the I think I was
>>>                 the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or did
>>>                 you just go with the 470 no tune system ?
>>>
>>>                 On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                      
>>>
>>>                     Hi Mick
>>>                     I do notice "difference" between flyback spike
>>>                     charging lead acid batteries and straight cap
>>>                     charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
>>>                     too...wbich is more practical and works better
>>>                     and more sffecienr I would say is the flyback
>>>                     Bedini wheel approach
>>>                     But if you do not use the correct type of lead
>>>                     acids, (traction batteries) over fairly short
>>>                     period of time the batteries go bad becauze they
>>>                     are not made to do thousands of charge discharge
>>>                     cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car
>>>                     batteries or marine starting batteries. or even
>>>                     worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made
>>>                     for backup UPS for computers in case of grid
>>>                     failure for example is the only time the
>>>                     batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf
>>>                     for years. Then drain for only few hours
>>>                     ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not
>>>                     rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type
>>>                     batteries are rechargeable after thousands d
>>>                     cycles running loads.
>>>                     I wasted hundreds of hours testing various
>>>                     battery charging circuits for years using small
>>>                     sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap
>>>                     salvaged out of backup computer battery banks
>>>                     ...and would come to wrong conclusion this way
>>>                     of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez
>>>                     voltagw twice as fast etc... but actually I made
>>>                     bad choice of batteries so my experience not
>>>                     such a great experience to tell you what is best
>>>                     conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my
>>>                     experience and others too like Warren and
>>>                     Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh
>>>                     totally as he is selling stuff to public making
>>>                     money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his
>>>                     very boring long windec videos.
>>>                     Kone
>>>
>

Mick, James,I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts, trying to make sense of them, and further, trying to make them.My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral bifilar coils on an induction hot plate from Walmart.I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a Dremel tool placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the output to the motor..The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an iron pot so it cut short my sport.Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.Thanks for the reminderCheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James,
 
I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about resonant gain between high Q coils, there is much more to what Don was doing than the resonant gain side of the concept, much closer to what Norm has been pointing us towards.  So unless he can power resistance heaters of a couple thousand watts with no batteries he does not have it yet.
 
 On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion on his work .he said that in the front of his book he has the twin coil resonant experiment of dons with the two small coils you might of seen .he said they have gotten 10 times the out put on those coils than normal .I think he using the coils as a see you can do it .demo . if true then that moves this subject  forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the thing that's all ways disconcerted me was the claim you don't need a scope to do the work like on bedini wheel when frankly they used one .kinda misdirection .they might not need one being immersed in the subject but most like to see what the  hells going on . later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said ...to self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries . something like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they don't hold the charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its good to go .for every day .full charge .that's impressive warrens charging big golf cart bats from a garden bat reminds me of johns vid with the real big bank of bats being charged by several flash light bats .a small solar panel might be all you need to keep things going .
 
 On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 
       
 
 
Hi James,
 
I would question if he has it working as a high power system. I know he has it working similar to my wireless charging system but that is at about a 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
 
If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the point of powering a house from a system with a few capacitors or if he requires batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this would make the distinction.
 
 On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking about doing the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates pretty good like it is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction he sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up and running and move on to other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon jack with do the trick .
 
 On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 
       
James
 I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode number,
 10k pot, etc.as I remember it. It was correct to the book My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and did you use the I think I  was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or did you just go with the 470 no  tune system ?
 
 On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 
       
Hi Mick
 I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead  acid batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC  approach too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr  I would say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach 
 But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction  batteries) over fairly short period of time the batteries go  bad becauze they are not made to do thousands of charge discharge  cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car batteries or  marine starting batteries. or even worse the very common7ah sealed lead  acids made for backup UPS for computers in case of grid failure for  example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so made to sit on  shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable"  type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type batteries  are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
 I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery  charging circuits for years using small sealed lead acids I got from  surplus cheap salvaged out of backup computer battery banks  ...and would come to wrong conclusion this way of that way works  like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast etc... but actually I  made bad choice of batteries so my experience not such a  great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have my  opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren  and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing  on his very boring long windec videos. 
 Kone
     
       
      
  
     
  
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James, Who is it messing with you, do you own land they want?

On 1/22/2019 2:02 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Well at the time years ago the group I was looking at said they had
> done it but had trouble with the air coils and needed to use some iron
> in them to get the power to transfer but did have it up and tuning
> there homes .well were he's at .as soon as I can get out and go pick
> it up .some twice now has deliberately trashed my out road with a
> tractor type vehicle this winter so I'm a little behind the curve .the
> attacks are just tearable .
>
> On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Warren,
>
>     I have been trying explain how the Smith device works via the
>     magnetic flux pulsing Norm is on about, yes the inductive cooker
>     comes closest as it is designed to dump flux into an iron cooking
>     skillet.  If you have noticed the induction cooking coil has
>     ferrite sections for this reason.  There are two poss flux
>     designss at play not including the preconditioned Sparky magnets. 
>     One is the flux pumping emp magnetic reconnect and the other is a
>     similar concept bi-bidirectionally where the flux of permanent
>     magnets is switched in polarity through a coil by forcing into one
>     or another flux circuit a la: AT Star, DS Toffolo, Ray Radus, Joe
>     Flynn etc.  Straight up resonance is not going to get one very far
>     without many niggling issues of load tuning, temperature drift
>     etc. and much lower gain unless one is talking the resonance of
>     two cores switching flux.  I assume Smith was using two cores he
>     was saturating out of phase with one another so they would flux
>     switch.
>
>
>     On 1/22/2019 10:23 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Mick, James,
>>
>>     I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.
>>     My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
>>     I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts, trying to
>>     make sense of them, and further, trying to make them.
>>     My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral bifilar
>>     coils on an induction hot plate from Walmart.
>>     I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a
>>     Dremel tool placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the output to
>>     the motor..
>>     The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an iron
>>     pot so it cut short my sport.
>>     Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.
>>     Thanks for the reminder
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         James,
>>
>>         I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about
>>         resonant gain between high Q coils, there is much more to
>>         what Don was doing than the resonant gain side of the
>>         concept, much closer to what Norm has been pointing us
>>         towards.  So unless he can power resistance heaters of a
>>         couple thousand watts with no batteries he does not have it yet.
>>
>>         On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Well I'm going to need more information before forming a
>>>         opinion on his work .he said that in the front of his book
>>>         he has the twin coil resonant experiment of dons with the
>>>         two small coils you might of seen .he said they have gotten
>>>         10 times the out put on those coils than normal .I think he
>>>         using the coils as a see you can do it .demo . if true then
>>>         that moves this subject  forward somewhat .I need to
>>>         replicate that first .the thing that's all ways disconcerted
>>>         me was the claim you don't need a scope to do the work like
>>>         on bedini wheel when frankly they used one .kinda
>>>         misdirection .they might not need one being immersed in the
>>>         subject but most like to see what the hells going on . later
>>>         I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said ...to
>>>         self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
>>>         pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries
>>>         . something like that .once conditioned its fast .and even
>>>         if they don't hold the charge long term everyday recharge
>>>         and use.. its good to go .for every day .full charge .that's
>>>         impressive warrens charging big golf cart bats from a garden
>>>         bat reminds me of johns vid with the real big bank of bats
>>>         being charged by several flash light bats .a small solar
>>>         panel might be all you need to keep things going .
>>>
>>>         On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Hi James,
>>>
>>>             I would question if he has it working as a high power
>>>             system. I know he has it working similar to my wireless
>>>             charging system but that is at about a 4x1 gain, nothing
>>>             like the gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
>>>
>>>             If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to
>>>             the point of powering a house from a system with a few
>>>             capacitors or if he requires batteries to charge with
>>>             his version of DS gen this would make the distinction.
>>>
>>>             On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski
>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>             I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and
>>>>             thinking about doing the up grade to fine tune but
>>>>             right now it desulfates pretty good like it is .I'm
>>>>             getting ricks book on don smith its I think ..might be
>>>>             wrong ..but 500 pages he's got it working and gives a
>>>>             lot of info on construction he sounded pretty impressed
>>>>             about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up and
>>>>             running and move on to other things . stay warm ..a
>>>>             good bottle of youkon jack with do the trick .
>>>>
>>>>             On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>                 James
>>>>
>>>>                 I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard
>>>>                 circuit with no variation in parts, right down to
>>>>                 the miniature neon tube, diode number,
>>>>                 10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>>>>                 It was correct to the book
>>>>                 My coil might have been excessive, compared to the
>>>>                 instructions
>>>>                 Cheers Warren
>>>>                 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>                 <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>                     On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski
>>>>                     [email protected]
>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                     <[email protected]
>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>                      
>>>>
>>>>                     Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors
>>>>                     instead of the 470 ohm ones and did you use the
>>>>                     I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to
>>>>                     fine tune it or did you just go with the 470 no
>>>>                     tune system ?
>>>>
>>>>                     On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected]
>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>                     <[email protected]
>>>>                     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                          
>>>>
>>>>                         Hi Mick
>>>>                         I do notice "difference" between flyback
>>>>                         spike charging lead acid batteries and
>>>>                         straight cap charging lead acids and also
>>>>                         the HVDC approach too...wbich is more
>>>>                         practical and works better and more
>>>>                         sffecienr I would say is the flyback Bedini
>>>>                         wheel approach
>>>>                         But if you do not use the correct type of
>>>>                         lead acids, (traction batteries) over
>>>>                         fairly short period of time the batteries
>>>>                         go bad becauze they are not made to do
>>>>                         thousands of charge discharge cycles,
>>>>                         rather just about a dozen if regular car
>>>>                         batteries or marine starting batteries. or
>>>>                         even worse the very common7ah sealed lead
>>>>                         acids made for backup UPS for computers in
>>>>                         case of grid failure for example is the
>>>>                         only time the batteries will kick in, so
>>>>                         made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain
>>>>                         for only few hours ...maybe :"rechageable"
>>>>                         type but not rechargeable in sense golf
>>>>                         cart traction type batteries are
>>>>                         rechargeable after thousands d cycles
>>>>                         running loads.
>>>>                         I wasted hundreds of hours testing various
>>>>                         battery charging circuits for years using
>>>>                         small sealed lead acids I got from surplus
>>>>                         cheap salvaged out of backup computer
>>>>                         battery banks ...and would come to wrong
>>>>                         conclusion this way of that way works like
>>>>                         shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as
>>>>                         fast etc... but actually I made bad choice
>>>>                         of batteries so my experience not such a
>>>>                         great experience to tell you what is best
>>>>                         conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased
>>>>                         on my experience and others too like Warren
>>>>                         and Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick
>>>>                         Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to
>>>>                         public making money and is doing lots of
>>>>                         bedini bashing on his very boring long
>>>>                         windec videos.
>>>>                         Kone
>>>>
>

Well at the time years ago the group I was looking at said they had done it
but had trouble with the air coils and needed to use some iron in them to
get the power to transfer but did have it up and tuning there homes .well
were he's at .as soon as I can get out and go pick it up .some twice now
has deliberately trashed my out road with a tractor type vehicle this
winter so I'm a little behind the curve .the attacks are just tearable .

On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Warren,
>
> I have been trying explain how the Smith device works via the magnetic
> flux pulsing Norm is on about, yes the inductive cooker comes closest as it
> is designed to dump flux into an iron cooking skillet.  If you have noticed
> the induction cooking coil has ferrite sections for this reason.  There are
> two poss flux designss at play not including the preconditioned Sparky
> magnets.  One is the flux pumping emp magnetic reconnect and the other is a
> similar concept bi-bidirectionally where the flux of permanent magnets is
> switched in polarity through a coil by forcing into one or another flux
> circuit a la: AT Star, DS Toffolo, Ray Radus, Joe Flynn etc.  Straight up
> resonance is not going to get one very far without many niggling issues of
> load tuning, temperature drift etc. and much lower gain unless one is
> talking the resonance of two cores switching flux.  I assume Smith was
> using two cores he was saturating out of phase with one another so they
> would flux switch.
>
> On 1/22/2019 10:23 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick, James,
> I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.
> My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
> I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts, trying to make
> sense of them, and further, trying to make them.
> My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral bifilar coils on an
> induction hot plate from Walmart.
> I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a Dremel tool
> placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the output to the motor..
> The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an iron pot so it
> cut short my sport.
> Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.
> Thanks for the reminder
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> James,
>
> I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about resonant gain
> between high Q coils, there is much more to what Don was doing than the
> resonant gain side of the concept, much closer to what Norm has been
> pointing us towards.  So unless he can power resistance heaters of a couple
> thousand watts with no batteries he does not have it yet.
> On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion on his
> work .he said that in the front of his book he has the twin coil resonant
> experiment of dons with the two small coils you might of seen .he said they
> have gotten 10 times the out put on those coils than normal .I think he
> using the coils as a see you can do it .demo . if true then that moves this
> subject  forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the thing that's
> all ways disconcerted me was the claim you don't need a scope to do the
> work like on bedini wheel when frankly they used one .kinda misdirection
> .they might not need one being immersed in the subject but most like to see
> what the hells going on . later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ?
> That said ...to self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
> pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries . something
> like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they don't hold the
> charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its good to go .for every day
> .full charge .that's impressive warrens charging big golf cart bats from a
> garden bat reminds me of johns vid with the real big bank of bats being
> charged by several flash light bats .a small solar panel might be all you
> need to keep things going .
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi James,
>
> I would question if he has it working as a high power system. I know he
> has it working similar to my wireless charging system but that is at about
> a 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
>
> If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the point of
> powering a house from a system with a few capacitors or if he requires
> batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this would make the
> distinction.
> On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and thinking about doing
> the up grade to fine tune but right now it desulfates pretty good like it
> is .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but
> 500 pages he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction he
> sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog if I can get up
> and running and move on to other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of
> youkon jack with do the trick .
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
> I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard circuit with no
> variation in parts, right down to the miniature neon tube, diode number,
> 10k pot, etc.as I remember it.
> It was correct to the book
> My coil might have been excessive, compared to the instructions
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of the 470 ohm ones and
> did you use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or
> did you just go with the 470 no tune system ?
>
> On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mick
> I do notice "difference" between flyback spike charging lead acid
> batteries and straight cap charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
> too...wbich is more practical and works better and more sffecienr I would
> say is the flyback Bedini wheel approach
> But if you do not use the correct type of lead acids, (traction batteries)
> over fairly short period of time the batteries go bad becauze they are not
> made to do thousands of charge discharge cycles, rather just about a dozen
> if regular car batteries or marine starting batteries. or even worse the
> very common7ah sealed lead acids made for backup UPS for computers in case
> of grid failure for example is the only time the batteries will kick in, so
> made to sit on shelf for years. Then drain for only few hours ...maybe
> :"rechageable" type but not rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type
> batteries are rechargeable after thousands d cycles running loads.
> I wasted hundreds of hours testing various battery charging circuits for
> years using small sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap salvaged out
> of backup computer battery banks ...and would come to wrong conclusion this
> way of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast
> etc... but actually I made bad choice of batteries so my experience not
> such a great experience to tell you what is best conclusively.. I just have
> my opi ionbased on my experience and others too like Warren and Bedini...i
> don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as he is selling stuff to public
> making money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his very boring long
> windec videos.
> Kone
>
> 
>

Sorry to hear this, have you built a proper system to protect yourself
from the DEW?  If you ever care to talk defensive tactics feel free to
email me privately.

On 1/22/2019 7:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Don't really know a cop at the white Hall police Dept said when I
> first got here that some one thinks they own it .who in dont know .but
> it's just a continuation of 35 to 40 years of electronic harassment.
> There a pretty mean lot . opened my eyes to this world .it's not what
> you think ..might be a contract thing .who knows ? It's the future of
> humanity for sure .like Putin said thoes with the best electronic
> weapons rule .......not the  law not what's right .just extortion and
> .violence .. they could of killed me any time but prefer this ongoing
> tourcher .a sick bunch ..in any group you remove ether the aggressive
> or the pasive and you can things a lot by killing off the Christians
> there going to be left with just them selves to kill .an all violent
> world is a dead world .we do have necular weapons now a real game
> changer .we are the salt of the earth when were gone so are they .
> good riddance .
>
> On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     James, Who is it messing with you, do you own land they want?
>
>     On 1/22/2019 2:02 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Well at the time years ago the group I was looking at said they
>>     had done it but had trouble with the air coils and needed to use
>>     some iron in them to get the power to transfer but did have it up
>>     and tuning there homes .well were he's at .as soon as I can get
>>     out and go pick it up .some twice now has deliberately trashed my
>>     out road with a tractor type vehicle this winter so I'm a little
>>     behind the curve .the attacks are just tearable .
>>
>>     On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Warren,
>>
>>         I have been trying explain how the Smith device works via the
>>         magnetic flux pulsing Norm is on about, yes the inductive
>>         cooker comes closest as it is designed to dump flux into an
>>         iron cooking skillet.  If you have noticed the induction
>>         cooking coil has ferrite sections for this reason.  There are
>>         two poss flux designss at play not including the
>>         preconditioned Sparky magnets.  One is the flux pumping emp
>>         magnetic reconnect and the other is a similar concept
>>         bi-bidirectionally where the flux of permanent magnets is
>>         switched in polarity through a coil by forcing into one or
>>         another flux circuit a la: AT Star, DS Toffolo, Ray Radus,
>>         Joe Flynn etc.  Straight up resonance is not going to get one
>>         very far without many niggling issues of load tuning,
>>         temperature drift etc. and much lower gain unless one is
>>         talking the resonance of two cores switching flux.  I assume
>>         Smith was using two cores he was saturating out of phase with
>>         one another so they would flux switch.
>>
>>
>>         On 1/22/2019 10:23 AM, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Mick, James,
>>>
>>>         I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.
>>>         My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
>>>         I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts,
>>>         trying to make sense of them, and further, trying to make them.
>>>         My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral
>>>         bifilar coils on an induction hot plate from Walmart.
>>>         I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a
>>>         Dremel tool placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the
>>>         output to the motor..
>>>         The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an
>>>         iron pot so it cut short my sport.
>>>         Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.
>>>         Thanks for the reminder
>>>         Cheers Warren
>>>         Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>         <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>             On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>             wrote:
>>>              
>>>
>>>             James,
>>>
>>>             I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about
>>>             resonant gain between high Q coils, there is much more
>>>             to what Don was doing than the resonant gain side of the
>>>             concept, much closer to what Norm has been pointing us
>>>             towards.  So unless he can power resistance heaters of a
>>>             couple thousand watts with no batteries he does not have
>>>             it yet.
>>>
>>>             On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>             Well I'm going to need more information before forming
>>>>             a opinion on his work .he said that in the front of his
>>>>             book he has the twin coil resonant experiment of dons
>>>>             with the two small coils you might of seen .he said
>>>>             they have gotten 10 times the out put on those coils
>>>>             than normal .I think he using the coils as a see you
>>>>             can do it .demo . if true then that moves this subject
>>>>              forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the
>>>>             thing that's all ways disconcerted me was the claim you
>>>>             don't need a scope to do the work like on bedini wheel
>>>>             when frankly they used one .kinda misdirection .they
>>>>             might not need one being immersed in the subject but
>>>>             most like to see what the hells going on . later I
>>>>             liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said
>>>>             ...to self power all you might need is a bedini coil
>>>>             and a MOSFET pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to
>>>>             speed charge batteries . something like that .once
>>>>             conditioned its fast .and even if they don't hold the
>>>>             charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its good
>>>>             to go .for every day .full charge .that's impressive
>>>>             warrens charging big golf cart bats from a garden bat
>>>>             reminds me of johns vid with the real big bank of bats
>>>>             being charged by several flash light bats .a small
>>>>             solar panel might be all you need to keep things going .
>>>>
>>>>             On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                  
>>>>
>>>>                 Hi James,
>>>>
>>>>                 I would question if he has it working as a high
>>>>                 power system. I know he has it working similar to
>>>>                 my wireless charging system but that is at about a
>>>>                 4x1 gain, nothing like the gains Don was getting
>>>>                 with magnetic flux paths.
>>>>
>>>>                 If you could ask him if indeed he can run the
>>>>                 system to the point of powering a house from a
>>>>                 system with a few capacitors or if he requires
>>>>                 batteries to charge with his version of DS gen this
>>>>                 would make the distinction.
>>>>
>>>>                 On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski
>>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>                 [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>                  
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils
>>>>>                 and thinking about doing the up grade to fine tune
>>>>>                 but right now it desulfates pretty good like it is
>>>>>                 .I'm getting ricks book on don smith its I think
>>>>>                 ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages he's got it
>>>>>                 working and gives a lot of info on construction he
>>>>>                 sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll
>>>>>                 see bog if I can get up and running and move on to
>>>>>                 other things . stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon
>>>>>                 jack with do the trick .
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
>>>>>                 [email protected]
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                      
>>>>>
>>>>>                     James
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog
>>>>>                     standard circuit with no variation in parts,
>>>>>                     right down to the miniature neon tube, diode
>>>>>                     number,
>>>>>                     10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>>>>>                     It was correct to the book
>>>>>                     My coil might have been excessive, compared to
>>>>>                     the instructions
>>>>>                     Cheers Warren
>>>>>                     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>>>
>>>>>                         On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James
>>>>>                         Glinski [email protected]
>>>>>                         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>                         <[email protected]
>>>>>                         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>                          
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors
>>>>>                         instead of the 470 ohm ones and did you
>>>>>                         use the I think I was the 1000 ohm pot in
>>>>>                         series to fine tune it or did you just go
>>>>>                         with the 470 no tune system ?
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On Thursday, January 17, 2019,
>>>>>                         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>                         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>>>                         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                              
>>>>>
>>>>>                             Hi Mick
>>>>>                             I do notice "difference" between
>>>>>                             flyback spike charging lead acid
>>>>>                             batteries and straight cap charging
>>>>>                             lead acids and also the HVDC approach
>>>>>                             too...wbich is more practical and
>>>>>                             works better and more sffecienr I
>>>>>                             would say is the flyback Bedini wheel
>>>>>                             approach
>>>>>                             But if you do not use the correct type
>>>>>                             of lead acids, (traction batteries)
>>>>>                             over fairly short period of time the
>>>>>                             batteries go bad becauze they are not
>>>>>                             made to do thousands of charge
>>>>>                             discharge cycles, rather just about a
>>>>>                             dozen if regular car batteries or
>>>>>                             marine starting batteries. or even
>>>>>                             worse the very common7ah sealed lead
>>>>>                             acids made for backup UPS for
>>>>>                             computers in case of grid failure for
>>>>>                             example is the only time the batteries
>>>>>                             will kick in, so made to sit on shelf
>>>>>                             for years. Then drain for only few
>>>>>                             hours ...maybe :"rechageable" type but
>>>>>                             not rechargeable in sense golf cart
>>>>>                             traction type batteries are
>>>>>                             rechargeable after thousands d cycles
>>>>>                             running loads.
>>>>>                             I wasted hundreds of hours testing
>>>>>                             various battery charging circuits for
>>>>>                             years using small sealed lead acids I
>>>>>                             got from surplus cheap salvaged out of
>>>>>                             backup computer battery banks ...and
>>>>>                             would come to wrong conclusion this
>>>>>                             way of that way works like shit or
>>>>>                             thiz way raisez voltagw twice as fast
>>>>>                             etc... but actually I made bad choice
>>>>>                             of batteries so my experience not such
>>>>>                             a great experience to tell you what is
>>>>>                             best conclusively.. I just have my opi
>>>>>                             ionbased on my experience and others
>>>>>                             too like Warren and Bedini...i don't
>>>>>                             quite trust Rick Fredricjh totally as
>>>>>                             he is selling stuff to public making
>>>>>                             money and is doing lots of bedini
>>>>>                             bashing on his very boring long windec
>>>>>                             videos.
>>>>>                             Kone
>>>>>
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