Re: [EVGRAY] Battery charging

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Warren,

I have been trying explain how the Smith device works via the magnetic
flux pulsing Norm is on about, yes the inductive cooker comes closest as
it is designed to dump flux into an iron cooking skillet.  If you have
noticed the induction cooking coil has ferrite sections for this
reason.  There are two poss flux designss at play not including the
preconditioned Sparky magnets.  One is the flux pumping emp magnetic
reconnect and the other is a similar concept bi-bidirectionally where
the flux of permanent magnets is switched in polarity through a coil by
forcing into one or another flux circuit a la: AT Star, DS Toffolo, Ray
Radus, Joe Flynn etc.  Straight up resonance is not going to get one
very far without many niggling issues of load tuning, temperature drift
etc. and much lower gain unless one is talking the resonance of two
cores switching flux.  I assume Smith was using two cores he was
saturating out of phase with one another so they would flux switch.


On 1/22/2019 10:23 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Mick, James,
>
> I am just picking this up rather late in the conversation.
> My ears just perked up on the subject of Don Smith work.
> I have spent many hours worrying through his concepts, trying to make
> sense of them, and further, trying to make them.
> My most gratifying result was with using Tesla spiral bifilar coils on
> an induction hot plate from Walmart.
> I managed to get my 3 hp 180 volt DC motor screaming like a Dremel
> tool placing a 1000 volt bridge rectifier on the output to the motor..
> The damn stove top is baby safe and shuts down without an iron pot so
> it cut short my sport.
> Moving blues cut out further progress on this subject.
> Thanks for the reminder
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 9:40 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
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>     James,
>
>     I don't think he has it figured out, he is talking about resonant
>     gain between high Q coils, there is much more to what Don was
>     doing than the resonant gain side of the concept, much closer to
>     what Norm has been pointing us towards.  So unless he can power
>     resistance heaters of a couple thousand watts with no batteries he
>     does not have it yet.
>
>     On 1/21/2019 2:46 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Well I'm going to need more information before forming a opinion
>>     on his work .he said that in the front of his book he has the
>>     twin coil resonant experiment of dons with the two small coils
>>     you might of seen .he said they have gotten 10 times the out put
>>     on those coils than normal .I think he using the coils as a see
>>     you can do it .demo . if true then that moves this subject
>>      forward somewhat .I need to replicate that first .the thing
>>     that's all ways disconcerted me was the claim you don't need a
>>     scope to do the work like on bedini wheel when frankly they used
>>     one .kinda misdirection .they might not need one being immersed
>>     in the subject but most like to see what the hells going on .
>>     later I liked the idea of I think it was smokey ? That said ...to
>>     self power all you might need is a bedini coil and a MOSFET
>>     pluser set at around 20,000 cycles to speed charge batteries .
>>     something like that .once conditioned its fast .and even if they
>>     don't hold the charge long term everyday recharge and use.. its
>>     good to go .for every day .full charge .that's impressive warrens
>>     charging big golf cart bats from a garden bat reminds me of johns
>>     vid with the real big bank of bats being charged by several flash
>>     light bats .a small solar panel might be all you need to keep
>>     things going .
>>
>>     On Monday, January 21, 2019, Mick [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>          
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>>         Hi James,
>>
>>         I would question if he has it working as a high power system.
>>         I know he has it working similar to my wireless charging
>>         system but that is at about a 4x1 gain, nothing like the
>>         gains Don was getting with magnetic flux paths.
>>
>>         If you could ask him if indeed he can run the system to the
>>         point of powering a house from a system with a few capacitors
>>         or if he requires batteries to charge with his version of DS
>>         gen this would make the distinction.
>>
>>         On 1/20/2019 10:50 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         I was just wondering .I've got one with 10 coils and
>>>         thinking about doing the up grade to fine tune but right now
>>>         it desulfates pretty good like it is .I'm getting ricks book
>>>         on don smith its I think ..might be wrong ..but 500 pages
>>>         he's got it working and gives a lot of info on construction
>>>         he sounded pretty impressed about dons work .  .I'll see bog
>>>         if I can get up and running and move on to other things .
>>>         stay warm ..a good bottle of youkon jack with do the trick .
>>>
>>>         On Sunday, January 20, 2019, Warren Keillor
>>>         [email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>>              
>>>
>>>             James
>>>
>>>             I went with the Bedini "School Girl" bog standard
>>>             circuit with no variation in parts, right down to the
>>>             miniature neon tube, diode number,
>>>             10k pot, etc.as <http://etc.as> I remember it.
>>>             It was correct to the book
>>>             My coil might have been excessive, compared to the
>>>             instructions
>>>             Cheers Warren
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>>>                 On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 1:53 AM, James Glinski
>>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>                 [EVGRAY]
>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Warren did you use the 100 ohm resistors instead of
>>>                 the 470 ohm ones and did you use the I think I was
>>>                 the 1000 ohm pot in series to fine tune it or did
>>>                 you just go with the 470 no tune system ?
>>>
>>>                 On Thursday, January 17, 2019, [email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>                 <[email protected]
>>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                      
>>>
>>>                     Hi Mick
>>>                     I do notice "difference" between flyback spike
>>>                     charging lead acid batteries and straight cap
>>>                     charging lead acids and also the HVDC approach
>>>                     too...wbich is more practical and works better
>>>                     and more sffecienr I would say is the flyback
>>>                     Bedini wheel approach
>>>                     But if you do not use the correct type of lead
>>>                     acids, (traction batteries) over fairly short
>>>                     period of time the batteries go bad becauze they
>>>                     are not made to do thousands of charge discharge
>>>                     cycles, rather just about a dozen if regular car
>>>                     batteries or marine starting batteries. or even
>>>                     worse the very common7ah sealed lead acids made
>>>                     for backup UPS for computers in case of grid
>>>                     failure for example is the only time the
>>>                     batteries will kick in, so made to sit on shelf
>>>                     for years. Then drain for only few hours
>>>                     ...maybe :"rechageable" type but not
>>>                     rechargeable in sense golf cart traction type
>>>                     batteries are rechargeable after thousands d
>>>                     cycles running loads.
>>>                     I wasted hundreds of hours testing various
>>>                     battery charging circuits for years using small
>>>                     sealed lead acids I got from surplus cheap
>>>                     salvaged out of backup computer battery banks
>>>                     ...and would come to wrong conclusion this way
>>>                     of that way works like shit or thiz way raisez
>>>                     voltagw twice as fast etc... but actually I made
>>>                     bad choice of batteries so my experience not
>>>                     such a great experience to tell you what is best
>>>                     conclusively.. I just have my opi ionbased on my
>>>                     experience and others too like Warren and
>>>                     Bedini...i don't quite trust Rick Fredricjh
>>>                     totally as he is selling stuff to public making
>>>                     money and is doing lots of bedini bashing on his
>>>                     very boring long windec videos.
>>>                     Kone
>>>
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