Wild fires?

JamesWhere do get your news from?Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 2:39 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
As on guy on the radio said in Colorado the socialist come first to do the killing and then the Communist next .
I'm beging to see it as organized crime .and the kill part is this use of electronic weapons .now days .seems its a Nazi specialist thing which includes white suprimicy ..skin heads .KKK . and the mob all just organised crime with a public face of socialism .I read an article years ago about when Hitlers war chest was opened they found his prized tools of war and there was a electronic gun in there that the socialist used on there enimies .well we may have won the war but it is never over .for them . when you can sit in your easy chair and kill or tourcher your neighbor with out fear of prosecution you can create this deam world .trouble is there's no end to the killing never would be because humanity has  always got some problem going on .you may never under stand this till they come for you Warren.sorry this isn't a academic subject it's reality .

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:

Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they formed a collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and every time it fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around talking shit .

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

     
Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.

Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go wrong?
Ron
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politi cs/global-compact-un-hussen-1. 4935492




---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

Warren,
Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima Declaration and the Barcelona declaration.
If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon.
The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are not one of them.

George












   

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MickYou are overloading on internet crazy. It is all here to read, but reality is different, when you get your feet on the ground.People generally are ok, unless addicted to drugs, or booze.We can create, and craft any fantasy that comes to the dark spaces in our minds. We can pass on those images to otlhers.Throughout history humans have been doing this, but never before with such convincing art, and skill.Perhaps, this is not exactly a good thing, even for entertainment, as it loosens those tactile connections to our mundane, yet earthy daily tasks, and relations to others.This is a sinister aspect of the Internet, and a challenge to critical thinking.Civil behavior melts away in the face of an adrenaline cranked mob.Raising the daily fear factor, stress levels, destroys critical thinking abilty. We become subject to fight, or flight hormones, no longer using our noodles, in the middle of a media stormStay calm, take in sail, keep your eyes open, and look after the ship.It will blow over.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 9:57 PM, Mick Jekyll [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Interesting how all the trees around him seem to be fine and not on fire so in a matter of minutes  the people were burnt to skeletons in their cars from a grass fire, hmm... And Fema is asking if people saw lava.  Maybe trade center type lava.  We are not far from this fire, a few hundred miles and have personal stories that are heartbreaking. Yes we are at war with something big and few even know.  Hector's WW3 is going down as we text. The fires, the Vegas shooting, pushing angry Muslim fighters into western countries of which they hate their hosts. Making laws against speaking against Islam supported and Iman sanctioned rape and murder of the affable first world native hosts. Only questioning the enemy invaders can get one thrown in prison or fined.  Can anyone say being taken over from the inside?  Very old strategy of warfare. Unfortunately when the masses wake up it will be too late and all be gone. Everything our ancestors worked hard and fought for, shit away by castrated freak show losers who want to teach grade school children about anal sex and hormone sex change medication as if this is the norm everyday way for children to grow up. Doctors handing out psych meds to children like candy..  This is now the norm and the unsuspecting are being boiled like frogs.  When the obtuse and unusual become the norm through conscientious reality, and the so called entertainment illustrates rape drug dealing and murder over and over its no wonder children are going crazy and shooting or stabbing in serial fashion and driving trucks over crowds. 
Does anybody give a fuck about this situation? Or does everyone just continue to follow the erroneous diatribe being pumped out by media and public radio because it's easier to agree with groupthink and come hell or high-water be nice to everyone or be labeled a racist  Rather than dig soul deep for the truth as we must to o ercome this meddling.  The truth is sapiens are being programmed to be mentally abhorant reprobates to suit an agenda to tear it all down. Ignore reality as a generation of children are sacrificed in the name of everyone just getting along or else, and autism being no big Thang. 

 

On Dec 9, 2018 7:41 PM, "Mick" <[email protected]> wrote:

  
Hector,
 
And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it.  I think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.  I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with capitalism.  As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks donkey dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is the ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
 
 On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
      
Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce , created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also a farce as they are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally including themselves ///
 
 don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are owned ass deep by them ! 
 
 USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck you deep ! 
 
 pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
 
 
  
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :
 
 Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the  sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they formed a collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and  every time it fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around talking shit .
 
 
 On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
 
  Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go wrong? 
  Ron 
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un- hussen-1.4935492
  
  
  
 
 ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
 
   Warren, 
  Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima Declaration and the Barcelona declaration. 
  If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon. 
  The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are not one of them.
  
  George
  
             
        
     

 
     
        
                 
 
     
 
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During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to the king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in feathers, and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old boys, just having fun.Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a shilling, or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their family, rather than risk a slow painful death by scalding.
Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen this all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship of some diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon all sense of decency, and kindness, to some momentary passionate ideology.It is a flaw.Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober reflection.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Hector,
 
And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it.  I think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.  I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with capitalism.  As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks donkey dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is the ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
 
 On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce , created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also a farce as they are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally including themselves ///
 
 don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are owned ass deep by them ! 
 
 USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck you deep ! 
 
 pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
 
 
  
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :
 
 Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the  sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they formed a collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and  every time it fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around talking shit .
 
 
 On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
 
  Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go wrong? 
  Ron 
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un- hussen-1.4935492
  
  
  
 
 ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
 
   Warren, 
  Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima Declaration and the Barcelona declaration. 
  If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon. 
  The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are not one of them.
  
  George
  
             
        
     

 
     
        
                 
 
    
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Warren a new socialists utopia  in the works
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/dec/10/nicaragua-journalists-press-freedom-crackdown-ortega

And the Brits would round up the town's people and put them into the
church's and burn them to the ground .did you see the new article today
about the Communist Chinese are rounding up hundreds of Christians in the
night ?.what for what organ donation by gun point.?

On Monday, December 10, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to the
> king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in feathers,
> and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old boys, just
> having fun.
> Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary
> government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a shilling,
> or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their family, rather than
> risk a slow painful death by scalding.
> Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen this
> all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship of some
> diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon all sense of
> decency, and kindness, to some momentary passionate ideology.
> It is a flaw.
> Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober
> reflection.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hector,
>
> And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it.  I
> think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.
> I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for
> humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with
> capitalism.  As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks
> donkey dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced
> everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is the
> ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
> On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase
> accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce ,
> created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also a farce as they
> are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally including
> themselves ///
>
> don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are
> owned ass deep by them !
>
> USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck
> you deep !
>
> pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
>
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> <jglinski01@...> wrote :
>
> Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving
> to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for
> super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till
> there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the
> sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill
> a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's
> usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side
> of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none
> of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America
> was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they formed a
> collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed
> about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year
> they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future
> .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it
> .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to
> take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and every time it
> fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is
> no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for
> the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around
> talking shit .
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
>
> Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed
> Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go
> wrong?
>
> Ron
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un- hussen-1.4935492
> <https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492>
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> <canowindracd@...> wrote
> :
>
> Warren,
>
> Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima
> Declaration and the Barcelona declaration.
>
> If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world
> affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon.
>
> The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are
> not one of them.
>
> George
>
>
> 
>

Kone,

I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own
resources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in exchange
for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lack of ethics in
all systems socialist or capitalist.

Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, unchecked profit
without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A
system where one is able to live free and build competitive business in
an ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.  Unfortunately the
US has been taken over by greedy people without ethics.  The government
in Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people migrating to
Colombia starving and looking for work.  I speak to these people every
day, no bullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault
of greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.

Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil
company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew
what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military
politicos who did not know shit but could protect his ass.  All the
profitable businesses were socialized in these ways.  From what the
Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all of the downfall was
promulgated the most by Cuban social engineering much more so than US
spook shit, though that was dirty pool no doubt.  Poor people who do not
fight to better themselves or are limited for other reasons will always
vote for the most free shit but someone has to pay for it, sooner or
later all the good businesses leave and their are no jobs. Free markets
rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon
credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the
problem.  Total socialist top down control based business model.  The
places I go where one can live well and has the best access to goods and
services are free market vertically integrated, all the socialist top
down controlled have much less options to a person willing to perform
learn and grow.  Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to thrive,
in nature same thing happens with animals, existence takes fucking hard
work.

Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we
should have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not
grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as they
are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they are
simply victims of circumstance.  The truth about Venezuela is assholes
took over and destroyed a healthy economy.  There were CIA shenanigans
for sure but this is not the reason for the place sucking now.  Also
Ecuador is changing to this shitty system where the socialist government
thinks they can fix everything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke
with who owned a pizza place or a market etc were using bank accounts
anymore because their money kept being appropriated for public works
with higher taxes every few months.  It is in a sad state now full of
crime and hateful victim mentality.  Barely any selection at markets
many shelves are not stocked.  Businesses are being forced offshore or
closing so there is the truth witnessed firsthand.  Being that I live in
South America I have the opportunity to assess these issues first hand.

On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of big
> problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in
> wadhington dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng,
> sending in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever
> wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian
> NGOs paying protestrs to start riots and all the other shit capitalist
> profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
> Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a
> "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist
> orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow
> US military base on their soil.
> Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land
> and industry in a country and give the land and industry to the
> citizens of the country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands
> of socialist peasants who would be better off dead than communist
> sympathizers eh...
>
>

Yes Warren most sapiens are currently unfortunately sociopath children
who are mob motivated and activated and this sad part of our makeup is
being amplified rather than actively worked on.  TV mind control is
based on mob rules, political parties, sports teams all nurturing the
dark side to sell one another out for money or power or jealousy. 
People are addicted to hate TV and hate radio because they don't
exercise and this is their only adrenal activity and release, or they
need to fit in with some "social club" or beat others over the head with
it like antifa in Portland

I was talking to a Senator who was riling up everyone over Trump
tweets.  I said so obviously the guy has major issues that's a given and
shouldn't be doing these things but will be gone in 4 years. Besides
keeping people angry what positive agendas and strategy do you have to
motivate change for the better rather than simply inciting and appealing
to peoples base reptilian brain fight or flight.  He had no positive
response other than more attack on the other side. One is either part of
the problem or part of the solution, what part are you?  I was audited
within one week!

On 12/10/2018 9:38 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to
> the king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in
> feathers, and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old
> boys, just having fun.
> Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary
> government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a
> shilling, or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their
> family, rather than risk a slow painful death by scalding.
> Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen
> this all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship
> of some diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon
> all sense of decency, and kindness, to some momentary passionate ideology.
> It is a flaw.
> Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober
> reflection.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hector,
>
>     And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into
>     it.  I think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives
>     are voluntary.  I like capitalism as long as it's not crony
>     capitalism as it allows for humans to progress faster as
>     individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with capitalism.  As
>     parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks donkey
>     dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced
>     everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is
>     the ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed
>     reality.
>
>     On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase
>>     accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a
>>     farce , created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also
>>     a farce as they are more communist in the sense they end fucking
>>     everyone equally including themselves ///
>>
>>     don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find
>>     you are owned ass deep by them !
>>
>>     USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air
>>     to fuck you deep !
>>
>>     pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <jglinski01@...> <mailto:jglinski01@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them
>>     and giving to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack
>>     .instead of going for super abundance .is a minimumlist way of
>>     thinking .give things out till there's nothing left doesn't meet
>>     the demand of humanity .thats pie in the sky thinking ..and ends
>>     in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill a billion
>>     people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's
>>     usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank
>>     out side of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size
>>     the problem ..none of that solves any problem except there lack
>>     .we tried that when America was first founded and it showed it's
>>     true colors right there .they formed a collective to plant corn
>>     .a few did all the work and many just dreamed about how good the
>>     idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year they gave
>>     each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future
>>     .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to
>>     go do it .they had more than they needed and could trade with
>>     Indians ..no need to take down a whole nation to find out it's a
>>     bad idea ..and every time it fails they think only if we had the
>>     right person running it ..well there is no right person for a bad
>>     idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for the wealth of
>>     the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around talking
>>     shit .
>>
>>         On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@...
>>         <mailto:iron1of1@...> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured
>>             glasses.
>>
>>
>>             Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration
>>             Minister, Ahmed Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the
>>             UN Global Compact... what could go wrong?
>>
>>             Ron
>>
>>             https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un-
>>             hussen-1.4935492
>>             <https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             ---In [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>, <canowindracd@...>
>>             <mailto:canowindracd@...> wrote :
>>
>>             Warren,
>>
>>             Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21,
>>             Agenda 30, the Lima Declaration and the Barcelona
>>             declaration.
>>
>>             If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark
>>             about world affairs and what danger is fast approaching
>>             you on the horizon.
>>
>>             The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and
>>             I hope you are not one of them.
>>
>>             George
>>
>>
>

Pure bullshit propaganda  "socialist" government being cause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a "socialist" government  .voted into office tells US capitalist orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US military base on their soil.
Imagine the gal l  to kick out US corporations who say they "own"  land and industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...

Well maybe not gone in four years .there's a guy who has recently written a
book .he says was guided by God in dreams .and he claims that history is
being  repeated form the Scriptures .all of the last several decade's of
political people like Hillery and Mr Clinton and several others are
repeating biblical history .he goes through it all showing the time lines
and there time in politics and who they are playing .it seems trump is in
there too and get this the biblical character only rules for eight years or
two terms of the service in the bible . I heard him talking on a radio show
.oh the guy in Scriptures that trump plays was trying to restore and remove
corruption from isreal thowing out corrupted officials tearig down unholy
places of worship for bal .ect something else !! Well see if f this plays
out .after he's gone back to criminal rule .

On Monday, December 10, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Yes Warren most sapiens are currently unfortunately sociopath children who
> are mob motivated and activated and this sad part of our makeup is being
> amplified rather than actively worked on.  TV mind control is based on mob
> rules, political parties, sports teams all nurturing the dark side to sell
> one another out for money or power or jealousy.  People are addicted to
> hate TV and hate radio because they don't exercise and this is their only
> adrenal activity and release, or they need to fit in with some "social
> club" or beat others over the head with it like antifa in Portland
>
> I was talking to a Senator who was riling up everyone over Trump tweets.
> I said so obviously the guy has major issues that's a given and shouldn't
> be doing these things but will be gone in 4 years. Besides keeping people
> angry what positive agendas and strategy do you have to motivate change for
> the better rather than simply inciting and appealing to peoples base
> reptilian brain fight or flight.  He had no positive response other than
> more attack on the other side. One is either part of the problem or part of
> the solution, what part are you?  I was audited within one week!
> On 12/10/2018 9:38 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to the
> king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in feathers,
> and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old boys, just
> having fun.
> Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary
> government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a shilling,
> or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their family, rather than
> risk a slow painful death by scalding.
> Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen this
> all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship of some
> diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon all sense of
> decency, and kindness, to some momentary passionate ideology.
> It is a flaw.
> Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober
> reflection.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hector,
>
> And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it.  I
> think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.
> I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for
> humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with
> capitalism.  As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks
> donkey dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced
> everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is the
> ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
> On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase
> accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce ,
> created as a false enemy against capitalism that is also a farce as they
> are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally including
> themselves ///
>
> don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are
> owned ass deep by them !
>
> USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck
> you deep !
>
> pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
>
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> <jglinski01@...> wrote :
>
> Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving
> to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of going for
> super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till
> there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the
> sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill
> a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the same thing .it's
> usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side
> of there country .there answer is killing tomdown size the problem ..none
> of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America
> was first founded and it showed it's true colors right there .they formed a
> collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed
> about how good the idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year
> they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future
> .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it
> .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to
> take down a whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and every time it
> fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is
> no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for
> the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around
> talking shit .
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
>
> Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister, Ahmed
> Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go
> wrong?
>
> Ron
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un- hussen-1.4935492
> <https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492>
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> <canowindracd@...> wrote
> :
>
> Warren,
>
> Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the Lima
> Declaration and the Barcelona declaration.
>
> If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world
> affairs and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon.
>
> The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I hope you are
> not one of them.
>
> George
>
>
> 
>

Hector is right, some machine has been programmed to fire from a orbiting platform.
How could any man push a button do this to peaceful Americans on hard earned home property!

When we wake up every day we may have already violated thousands of municipal ordinances without even home. 
I would get the fuck out of Cali control folks!
    On Monday, December 10, 2018, 8:14:37 PM CST, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Well maybe not gone in four years .there's a guy who has recently written a book .he says was guided by God in dreams .and he claims that history is being  repeated form the Scriptures .all of the last several decade's of political people like Hillery and Mr Clinton and several others are repeating biblical history .he goes through it all showing the time lines and there time in politics and who they are playing .it seems trump is in there too and get this the biblical character only rules for eight years or two terms of the service in the bible . I heard him talking on a radio show .oh the guy in Scriptures that trump plays was trying to restore and remove corruption from isreal thowing out corrupted officials tearig down unholy places of worship for bal .ect something else !! Well see if f this plays out .after he's gone back to criminal rule .

On Monday, December 10, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
 

Yes Warren most sapiens are currently unfortunately sociopath children who are mob motivated and activated and this sad part of our makeup is being amplified rather than actively worked on.  TV mind control is based on mob rules, political parties, sports teams all nurturing the dark side to sell one another out for money or power or jealousy.  People are addicted to hate TV and hate radio because they don't exercise and this is their only adrenal activity and release, or they need to fit in with some "social club" or beat others over the head with it like antifa in Portland
 
 
I was talking to a Senator who was riling up everyone over Trump tweets.  I said so obviously the guy has major issues that's a given and shouldn't be doing these things but will be gone in 4 years. Besides keeping people angry what positive agendas and strategy do you have to motivate change for the better rather than simply inciting and appealing to peoples base reptilian brain fight or flight.  He had no positive response other than more attack on the other side. One is either part of the problem or part of the solution, what part are you?  I was audited within one week!
 
 On 12/10/2018 9:38 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
       During right after the American revolution, people having a loyalty to the king, would be stripped naked, dipped in molten tar, rolled in feathers, and paraded around the villages on a fence rail, by good old boys, just having fun. Any others, feeling unsure of the future of the new revolutionary government, would, if they were lucky, sell their property for a shilling, or just pack up, and head North, to Canada, with their family, rather than risk a slow painful death by scalding.
 Humans in a mob are capable of sadistic acts of cruelty. We have seen this all through history, motivated by some cause of the day. Worship of some diety, a political cause, a charismatic leader, and abandon all sense of decency, and kindness, to some  momentary passionate ideology. It is a flaw. Embarrassment, and shame, are sure to follow, as a society, on sober reflection. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
   On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 7:41 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Hector,
 
And real cooperatives are voluntary and do not force people into it.  I think socialism always forces one to play and cooperatives are voluntary.  I like capitalism as long as it's not crony capitalism as it allows for humans to progress faster as individuals, cooperatives are not at odds with capitalism.  As parts of a whole of any kind if it is forced then it sucks donkey dick.  This is what the united states after Washington forced everyone to play their game.  A free inhabitant upon the land is the ultimate position to have, not part of some forced and taxed reality.
 
  On 12/9/2018 2:26 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Real socialism creates cooperatives were the mark is to increase accumulative wealth for its members , the socialism you see is a farce , created as a false enemy  against capitalism that is also a farce as they are more communist in the sense they end fucking everyone equally including themselves ///
 
 don't believe me ? just stop paying your taxes , you will find you are owned ass deep by them ! 
 
 USA 21trillion in debt , a national tax of 36% hangs in the air to fuck you deep ! 
 
 pray for a thermonuclear war so it ends fast ////
 
 
  
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :
 
 Socialist seem to think that taking what doesn't belong to them and giving to the poor .solves the underlining problem of lack .instead of  going for super abundance .is a minimumlist way of thinking .give things out till there's nothing left doesn't meet the demand of humanity .thats pie in the sky thinking ..and ends in violence ..like po pot said that's he would kill a billion people to achieve utopia .Hitler was doing the  same thing .it's usually a small few who promote it then but the wealth in a bank out side of there country .there answer is  killing tomdown size the problem ..none of that solves any problem except there lack .we tried that when America was first founded and it showed it's  true colors right there .they formed a collective to plant corn .a few did all the work and many just dreamed about how good the  idea was .well they almost starved to death ..next year they gave each family a portion and made them in charge of there own future .it worked no sitting on there ass talking about it they had to go do it .they had more than they needed and could trade with Indians ..no need to take down a  whole nation to find out it's a bad idea ..and every time it fails they think only if we had the right person running it ..well there is no right person for a bad idea that will make it a good idea .reaching for the wealth of the universe will solve the problem .not sitting around talking shit  .
 
 
 On Sunday, December 9, 2018, iron1of1@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
  
       
Good post George, Warren too often wears rose coloured glasses.
 
  Maybe he didn't see that Canada's Federal Immigration Minister,  Ahmed Hussen, (hello?) is going to endorse the UN Global Compact... what could go wrong? 
  Ron 
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492
  
  
  
 
 ---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :
 
   Warren, 
  Your posts indicate that you have not read Agenda 21, Agenda 30, the  Lima Declaration and the Barcelona declaration. 
  If you haven't read these then you really are in the dark about world affairs  and what danger is fast approaching you on the horizon. 
  The sheeple are asleep and don't know what is coming, and I  hope you are not one of them.
  
  George
  
             
        
     

 
     
        
                 
 
    
         
      
 

   
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Hi Mick
I disagree on Venezuela issue. Being largest oil producer in area they could of eaSsy had economy and quality of life similar to what happened with Norway but no, the USA blocked oil sales and destroyed their economy through every nefarious means possible, just because they would not let US oil companies in there to rape the country.
Columbia is building up military along border in CIA plot to invade Venezuela which could happen any day..  Columbia now USA proxy army in region as CIA controls cocaine economy now 100% and so controls country and army. Those coming acrossbirder "hope" o be on winning side after invasion takes place.  Look for invasion similar to Panama 3000 civilians killed probably 10,000 they don't care don't keep track like in Iraq.
Right now US Navy is more or less blockading oil tankers to trade freely with excuse they do not sell to countries USA  approves of.
Kone

.

Hi Mick,

"Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem."
Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as well as having free energy and cleaner air.

The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions. Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.

Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce CO2 emissions.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Kone,
 I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own resources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in exchange for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lack of ethics in all systems socialist or capitalist.

 Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, unchecked profit without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A system where one is able to live free and build competitive business in an ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.  Unfortunately the US has been taken over by greedy people without ethics.  The government in Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people migrating to Colombia starving and looking for work.  I speak to these people every day, no bullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault of greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
 Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military politicos who did not know shit but could protect his ass.  All the profitable businesses were socialized in these ways.  From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all of the downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social engineering much more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool no doubt.  Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or are limited for other reasons will always vote for the most free shit but someone has to pay for it, sooner or later all the good businesses leave and their are no jobs. Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem.  Total socialist top down control based business model.  The places I go where one can live well and has the best access to goods and services are free market vertically integrated, all the socialist top down controlled have much less options to a person willing to perform learn and grow.  Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to thrive, in nature same thing happens with animals, existence takes fucking hard work.
 
 Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we should have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as they are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they are simply victims of circumstance.  The truth about Venezuela is assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy.  There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason for the place sucking now.  Also Ecuador is changing to this shitty system where the socialist government thinks they can fix everything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke with who owned a pizza place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymore because their money kept being appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few months.  It is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful victim mentality.  Barely any selection at markets many shelves are not stocked.  Businesses are being forced offshore or closing so there is the truth witnessed firsthand.  Being that I live in South America I have the opportunity to assess these issues first hand.

 On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
 Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US military base on their soil.
 Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land and industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...

DougFrom living in Venezuela, during the coup, and ten years later, during the general strike, I think your information you have, is quite on the mark.They are a lovely, educated people, in very hard times, just trying to make their own decisions, amid some tough challenges.American companies play hard ball, without compassion, or empathy, if it might cost them money.
When operating in a jurisdiction where they are not held strictly to account, because they have paid off certain officials, out of the prying eyes of news media, they run ammuck flaunting laws, and responsibilities.Some companies are bad in the US, but way worse, where they run without leashes.As a citizen, one sees injustice, and like people all over the World, they just want a fair playing field, and uniform rules agreed on by everybody, maintained by fair and impartial people.Being able to pick and choose people likely having the integrity, and skill, to do jobs for society, as a whole, is one of the elements of democracy.Fraud, misrepresentaion, messing with the books, lying, and interfering with fair elections, to any degree, is a deal breaker, both in business, and in politics, as it is in life.Any group of people, need to work these things out, whether a family, or a country.Stirring the pot, getting, brother against brother, so you can take advantage of both, is pretty evil behavior, and companies, only measuring the bottom line of the profit sheet, are often guilty.Executives only get that fat bonus, in their contracts, if the numbers rise, no questions asked. Look around you, and see if that is working?Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 4:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick
I disagree on Venezuela issue. Being largest oil producer in area they could of eaSsy had economy and quality of life similar to what happened with Norway but no, the USA blocked oil sales and destroyed their economy through every nefarious means possible, just because they would not let US oil companies in there to rape the country.
Columbia is building up military along border in CIA plot to invade Venezuela which could happen any day.. Columbia now USA proxy army in region as CIA controls cocaine economy now 100% and so controls country and army. Those coming acrossbirder "hope" o be on winning side after invasion takes place. Look for invasion similar to Panama 3000 civilians killed probably 10,000 they don't care don't keep track like in Iraq.
Right now US Navy is more or less blockading oil tankers to trade freely with excuse they do not sell to countries USA approves of.
Kone

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OleWell stated about discouraging climate altering CO2 emissions.Companies that are based on products that contribute to the CO2  increase, are using sophisticated public relations firms to lobby governments, produce misleading propaganda, bribe, and blackmail officials, and in short, use any means they can, to promote the agendas of their clients. The Internet is loaded with paid trolls, stooges carried along by the power of advertising, and those who covet their own little patch of carbon production equipment.I have no doubt that just like those one celled yeasts that make alchohol from the sugar rich must, feeding on it, and multiplying, until the product of their frenzy, results in them poisoned by their own waste, wine, which we humans consume, but fail to recognize the pattern, of sequence, in our own little world.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 7:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick,

"Free markets rather thansocially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon creditswhere CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix theproblem."
Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as well as having free energy and cleaner air.

The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions. Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.

Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce CO2 emissions.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :


Kone,

I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should ownresources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease inexchange for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lackof ethics in all systems socialist or capitalist.


Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, uncheckedprofit without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopolyis evil. A system where one is able to live free and buildcompetitive business in an ethical way is the ultimate for humanascendance.  Unfortunately the US has been taken over by greedypeople without ethics.  The government in Venezuela is fucked,this is why we have so many people migrating to Colombia starvingand looking for work.  I speak to these people every day, nobullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault ofgreedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.

Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all theoil company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionalswho knew what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs tomilitary politicos who did not know shit but could protect hisass.  All the profitable businesses were socialized in theseways.  From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all ofthe downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social engineeringmuch more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool nodoubt.  Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or arelimited for other reasons will always vote for the most free shitbut someone has to pay for it, sooner or later all the goodbusinesses leave and their are no jobs. Free markets rather thansocially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon creditswhere CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix theproblem.  Total socialist top down control based business model. The places I go where one can live well and has the best access togoods and services are free market vertically integrated, all thesocialist top down controlled have much less options to a personwilling to perform learn and grow.  Unfortunately some peopleelicit a failure to thrive, in nature same thing happens withanimals, existence takes fucking hard work.

Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideallywe should have no government and be self governing but sapiens arenot grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be aslong as they are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someoneelse and they are simply victims of circumstance.  The truth aboutVenezuela is assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy. There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason forthe place sucking now.  Also Ecuador is changing to this shittysystem where the socialist government thinks they can fixeverything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke with who owned apizza place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymorebecause their money kept being appropriated for public works withhigher taxes every few months.  It is in a sad state now full ofcrime and hateful victim mentality.  Barely any selection atmarkets many shelves are not stocked.  Businesses are being forcedoffshore or closing so there is the truth witnessed firsthand. Being that I live in South America I have the opportunity toassess these issues first hand.

On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@...[EVGRAY] wrote:


 
Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government beingcause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalistwar monger pigs in wadhington dc are the problem,blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie (paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make aCIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOspaying protestrs to start riots and all the other shitcapitalist profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
Its all standard procedure for CIA and State departmentanytime a "socialist" government .voted into office tellsUS capitalist orporations to get the fuck out of theircountry and will never allow US military base on theirsoil.
Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they"own" land and industry in a country and give the land andindustry to the citizens of the country!! Fuck that isreason to invade kill thousands of socialist peasants whowould be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...



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I learned years ago that due to the magnetic north poles moving causing the
tectonic plates to crack open and release lava that we now have a million
under water volcano were normally we have like 10,000 there's your heating
heat traviles Thu water very fast .this also releases acid as sulfuric and
cyanide gass  our day in and out shit is nothing compared to this .except
the pumping of crap from the cities on the east coast of the USA in to the
golf stream killing off the life there and the fishing industry and the
reefs .and that they could stop but don't .all political .all about control
.give me the money and I will fix it ?.they have taken out over33 billion
dollars from tax payers for a false  narrative .follow the fucking money
.to find the rats at the end .that opioid problem was a scam set up by two
guys  and killed  hundreds of thousands of people and made millions for
them .did they pay lifexfor life ?not that I know .

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Ole
> Well stated about discouraging climate altering CO2 emissions.
> Companies that are based on products that contribute to the CO2  increase,
> are using sophisticated public relations firms to lobby governments,
> produce misleading propaganda, bribe, and blackmail officials, and in
> short, use any means they can, to promote the agendas of their clients. The
> Internet is loaded with paid trolls, stooges carried along by the power of
> advertising, and those who covet their own little patch of carbon
> production equipment.
> I have no doubt that just like those one celled yeasts that make alchohol
> from the sugar rich must, feeding on it, and multiplying, until the product
> of their frenzy, results in them poisoned by their own waste, wine, which
> we humans consume, but fail to recognize the pattern, of sequence, in our
> own little world.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 7:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking
> carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the
> problem."
> Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as
> industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of
> Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is
> melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse
> greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting
> of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated
> areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities
> when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something
> about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make
> lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities
> and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind
> turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil
> energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a
> country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where
> should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other
> countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax
> payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as
> well as having free energy and cleaner air.
>
> The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the
> already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions.
> Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries
> gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt
> places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.
>
> Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce
> CO2 emissions.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Kone,
>
> I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own resources
> outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in exchange for building
> the infrastructure.  There is greed and lack of ethics in all systems
> socialist or capitalist.
>
> Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, unchecked profit
> without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A
> system where one is able to live free and build competitive business in an
> ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.  Unfortunately the US has
> been taken over by greedy people without ethics.  The government in
> Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people migrating to
> Colombia starving and looking for work.  I speak to these people every day,
> no bullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault of
> greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
>
> Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil
> company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew what
> they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military politicos who
> did not know shit but could protect his ass.  All the profitable businesses
> were socialized in these ways.  From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the
> roots of all of the downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social
> engineering much more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool no
> doubt.  Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or are limited
> for other reasons will always vote for the most free shit but someone has
> to pay for it, sooner or later all the good businesses leave and their are
> no jobs. Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN
> fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will
> fix the problem.  Total socialist top down control based business model.
> The places I go where one can live well and has the best access to goods
> and services are free market vertically integrated, all the socialist top
> down controlled have much less options to a person willing to perform learn
> and grow.  Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to thrive, in nature
> same thing happens with animals, existence takes fucking hard work.
>
> Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we should
> have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not grounded and
> ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as they are taught
> UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they are simply victims of
> circumstance.  The truth about Venezuela is assholes took over and
> destroyed a healthy economy.  There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this
> is not the reason for the place sucking now.  Also Ecuador is changing to
> this shitty system where the socialist government thinks they can fix
> everything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke with who owned a pizza
> place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymore because their money
> kept being appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few
> months.  It is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful victim
> mentality.  Barely any selection at markets many shelves are not stocked.
> Businesses are being forced offshore or closing so there is the truth
> witnessed firsthand.  Being that I live in South America I have the
> opportunity to assess these issues first hand.
> On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of big
> problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington
> dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie
> ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck
> killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start
> riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell
> will do.
> Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a
> "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist orporations
> to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US military base
> on their soil.
> Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land and
> industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the
> country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist
> peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...
>
> 
>

Ole,

Go check the math the man made CO2 causing a problem is a farce.

CO2 which only emits at three hi Q nodes 10 point something microns 5
and one more is being calculated as a full bandwidth black body
radiator, secondly there is no distinction between night and daytime in
the calcs.
Infra red is 1mm to 700 nanometers far wider than the 3 infra red nodes
of excited CO2.  It takes a good amount of energy to excite co2 to
release any energy.  Pretty much all the heat re-radiated by Co2 will
take place within 10 meters of the ground. About the height of most trees.

  Any child knows a cloud passing overhead cools, only at night can
water vapor the largest greenhouse gas trap and reflect energy. CO2
weighs more than nitrogen, it stays where plants like to turn it back to
oxygen.  In fact there is a lake in Africa that is volcanic and burps
CO2.  When this happens it travels into the valleys and suffocates all
the local villages humans and animals, because it is too heavy to rise
and displaces the oxygen and nitrogen.  
The ice core samples were flipped the wrong way initially it was
reported that CO2 increase then temp increase.  Actually C02 increase
was lagging the global heating by 600 or so years in the ice samples,
did any revisions take place in the science, not at all, none I could
find anyways.

Man made Co2 levels may be 3 percent of total, fluctuations from fires
and volcanoes can often vary 20 percent from the normal natural levels
that are a hell of a lot higher than the 3 percent of human use.

When one is a professor one only is awarded grants based on what the
think tanks dictate, this is why no alternative energy as we are
familiar with here is ever funded.  Yes I think all of us at this site
want petroleum energy to go the way of the dinosaurs, but CO2 isn't the
problem.   Carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and many others are actually
a poison not a symbiotic biological as is Co2

Now for the reality, when all the outlook is bad and fearful the sky is
falling, nothing like Hey we can now grow crops at further northern
latitudes!, or we are using less energy heating our homes.  No instead
it's all gloom and doom and fear based and the seas are rising etc etc. 
When one sees a binary conscientious one should expect to be bent over
without lube.

So Al Gore and James blood create a futures exchange to trade carbon
credit so one need only pay them to pollute more, hey problem solved
just sign on the dotted line.  Most of the industry has been moved to
China and India, they are exempted from the carbon emission
limitations.  Sound like a scam yet. 
We are about to hit a bifurcation point when the weather goes the other
way and not slowly, quickly like turning a thermostat.  All the global
warming distopian fear will be replaced by wishing it will heat up
instead.  Sapiens are really an arrogant lot, pretending they can
determine a problem of this magnitude with a temporal limited data set
built on a pathetic excuse for the scientific process in which empirical
thought has been completely disregarded because the top of the pyramid
has a plan for us all.  Have a view at odds to conscientious and one is
labeled a heretic or a denier.  Sounds like the Spanish inquisition. 
Throw another Bruno on the fire, we need some heat...

Now lets talk about real problems, bunker oil running the super cargo
ships.  About 18 of these ships produce enough pollution in our oceans
as all the cars combined on the planet, there are hundreds of these,
maybe thousands shitting up the ocean with fuels so thick one can walk
on it until it is preheated to burn in the engines.  Fracking causing
the poisoning of our water tables across the planet but the EPA will not
lift a hand because the fracking chemicals are a secret protected
intellectual property so they allegedly can't know if they are damaging.
The contrails from the new turbine bypass engines which burn much cooler
hence stay suspended much longer are changing the planets temperature
bigtime.  It was measured when during 911 no planes were flying.

I like CO2 and believe it to be a cooling gas based on my work with
flowing gas CO2 lasers.  It makes plants grow and replaces out gassed
and burned oxygen from our atmosphere so we can live, no CO2 no oxygen. 
None of the claims from Gores silly movie have happened yet as the sea
was supposed to rise many feet by now. A few MM over the last hundred
years it has actually been measured to rise. The polar bears are all
drowned, even though they can swim hundreds of miles in a go.

I am glad your country produces clean energy, this is something we
should all aspire to but I will pray to keep my CO2 and revel in natures
power as each season of change the CO2 is released and then re-absorbed
and transmuted into breathable oxygen.


On 12/11/2018 7:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN
> fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore
> will fix the problem."
> Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as
> industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The
> glaciers of Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost
> of Siberia is melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which
> is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an
> extreme height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big
> trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines. This may
> cause millions of refugees from big cities when becoming
> uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something about the
> problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make lots of
> jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities
> and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing
> wind turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non
> fossil energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level.
> Evacuating a country and its high infrastructure will be quite
> expensive. Besides where should all the people go when lots of area
> will be affected in other countries too? To make the wind power
> industry was expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export
> article making the investment pay back as well as having free energy
> and cleaner air.
>
> The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the
> already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions.
> Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting
> countries gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good
> in corrupt places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires
> open systems.
>
> Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to
> reduce CO2 emissions.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Kone,
>
> I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own
> resources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in
> exchange for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lack of
> ethics in all systems socialist or capitalist.
>
> Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, unchecked profit
> without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A
> system where one is able to live free and build competitive business
> in an ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.  Unfortunately
> the US has been taken over by greedy people without ethics.  The
> government in Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people
> migrating to Colombia starving and looking for work.  I speak to these
> people every day, no bullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened
> it is the fault of greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
>
> Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil
> company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew
> what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military
> politicos who did not know shit but could protect his ass.  All the
> profitable businesses were socialized in these ways.  From what the
> Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all of the downfall was
> promulgated the most by Cuban social engineering much more so than US
> spook shit, though that was dirty pool no doubt.  Poor people who do
> not fight to better themselves or are limited for other reasons will
> always vote for the most free shit but someone has to pay for it,
> sooner or later all the good businesses leave and their are no jobs.
> Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN
> fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore
> will fix the problem.  Total socialist top down control based business
> model.  The places I go where one can live well and has the best
> access to goods and services are free market vertically integrated,
> all the socialist top down controlled have much less options to a
> person willing to perform learn and grow.  Unfortunately some people
> elicit a failure to thrive, in nature same thing happens with animals,
> existence takes fucking hard work.
>
> Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we
> should have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not
> grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as
> they are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they
> are simply victims of circumstance.  The truth about Venezuela is
> assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy.  There were CIA
> shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason for the place sucking
> now.  Also Ecuador is changing to this shitty system where the
> socialist government thinks they can fix everything by taxing
> business's.  No one we spoke with who owned a pizza place or a market
> etc were using bank accounts anymore because their money kept being
> appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few months.  It
> is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful victim mentality. 
> Barely any selection at markets many shelves are not stocked. 
> Businesses are being forced offshore or closing so there is the truth
> witnessed firsthand.  Being that I live in South America I have the
> opportunity to assess these issues first hand.
>
> On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... <mailto:konehead@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of
>>     big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs
>>     in wadhington dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning.
>>     Starvng, sending in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia
>>     and whoever wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus
>>     Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start riots and
>>     all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell
>>     will do.
>>     Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a
>>     "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist
>>     orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never
>>     allow US military base on their soil.
>>     Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own"
>>     land and industry in a country and give the land and industry to
>>     the citizens of the country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill
>>     thousands of socialist peasants who would be better off dead than
>>     communist sympathizers eh...
>>
>

Hi Ole,
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    On Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 11:48:53 pm AEDT, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Hi Mick,

"Free markets rather thansocially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon creditswhere CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix theproblem."
Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as well as having free energy and cleaner air.

The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions. Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.

Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce CO2 emissions.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :


Kone,

I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should ownresources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease inexchange for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lackof ethics in all systems socialist or capitalist.


Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, uncheckedprofit without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopolyis evil. A system where one is able to live free and buildcompetitive business in an ethical way is the ultimate for humanascendance.  Unfortunately the US has been taken over by greedypeople without ethics.  The government in Venezuela is fucked,this is why we have so many people migrating to Colombia starvingand looking for work.  I speak to these people every day, nobullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault ofgreedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.

Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all theoil company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionalswho knew what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs tomilitary politicos who did not know shit but could protect hisass.  All the profitable businesses were socialized in theseways.  From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all ofthe downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social engineeringmuch more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool nodoubt.  Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or arelimited for other reasons will always vote for the most free shitbut someone has to pay for it, sooner or later all the goodbusinesses leave and their are no jobs. Free markets rather thansocially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon creditswhere CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix theproblem.  Total socialist top down control based business model. The places I go where one can live well and has the best access togoods and services are free market vertically integrated, all thesocialist top down controlled have much less options to a personwilling to perform learn and grow.  Unfortunately some peopleelicit a failure to thrive, in nature same thing happens withanimals, existence takes fucking hard work.

Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideallywe should have no government and be self governing but sapiens arenot grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be aslong as they are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someoneelse and they are simply victims of circumstance.  The truth aboutVenezuela is assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy. There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason forthe place sucking now.  Also Ecuador is changing to this shittysystem where the socialist government thinks they can fixeverything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke with who owned apizza place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymorebecause their money kept being appropriated for public works withhigher taxes every few months.  It is in a sad state now full ofcrime and hateful victim mentality.  Barely any selection atmarkets many shelves are not stocked.  Businesses are being forcedoffshore or closing so there is the truth witnessed firsthand. Being that I live in South America I have the opportunity toassess these issues first hand.

On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@...[EVGRAY] wrote:


 
Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government beingcause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalistwar monger pigs in wadhington dc are the problem,blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie (paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make aCIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOspaying protestrs to start riots and all the other shitcapitalist profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
Its all standard procedure for CIA and State departmentanytime a "socialist" government .voted into office tellsUS capitalist orporations to get the fuck out of theircountry and will never allow US military base on theirsoil.
Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they"own" land and industry in a country and give the land andindustry to the citizens of the country!! Fuck that isreason to invade kill thousands of socialist peasants whowould be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...

Warren,
You are right about "Stirring the pot, getting brother against brother to take advantage of both" is very true.  All the latest wars have been like this: ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS Full Version

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George

    On Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 1:21:37 am AEDT, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Doug

Warren,

All intl gov protected companies play heartless hardball, not just
American, lets get real.

Yes they are a kind and lovely people and in the middle of a bad scene.
I love hanging with them. All of that meddling is old history.  Their
gov made business agreements with the US(for better or worse) and then
elected a guy who broke all the agreements, yes there was a coup attempt
but afterwards the oil wealth was redistributed.  For awhile there
weresome good public works and improvement in the fucked up disparity ,
even during the US boycotts, but then oil prices plummeted and they had
dipshits in way over their heads who could not produce or run a business
only turn to pillage and theft.  Has any socialist top down mechanism in
history not succumb to entropy similar or worse, hitler, stalin mao?  
This is all old history, the American companies run roughshod for sure
but the V government stealing private property from citizens not
involved in oil "for the good of the masses."  Why socialism/communism
appeals to so many when it's a top down control model that is prima
fascia anti-freedom.  Not just the antifreedom of roughshod crony
corporate greed but designed that way from the start.  Who would want to
be overseen by a Politburo not sure I understand this love affair with
central control, other than it was hammered into the hippy generation
from Tavistock institute to hate America and capitalism.  Ever since
daddy bush let unesco design our school curriculum, public school
damages peoples opinion of their own country.  WTF  We have had our
scallywags and shitheads and also our geniuses and amazing contributions
to science and the rest of the world.  Tesla was a proud American. To
throw the baby out with the bathwater, very sad and binary thinking.  I
am not happy the USA supports war fare and killing and crony capitalism
like protectionism of oil cartels but I as an American did not vote for
that shit and most Americans don't want it either.

On 12/11/2018 9:21 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Doug
>
> From living in Venezuela, during the coup, and ten years later, during
> the general strike, I think your information you have, is quite on the
> mark.
> They are a lovely, educated people, in very hard times, just trying to
> make their own decisions, amid some tough challenges.
> American companies play hard ball, without compassion, or empathy, if
> it might cost them money.
> When operating in a jurisdiction where they are not held strictly to
> account, because they have paid off certain officials, out of the
> prying eyes of news media, they run ammuck flaunting laws, and
> responsibilities.
> Some companies are bad in the US, but way worse, where they run
> without leashes.
> As a citizen, one sees injustice, and like people all over the World,
> they just want a fair playing field, and uniform rules agreed on by
> everybody, maintained by fair and impartial people.
> Being able to pick and choose people likely having the integrity, and
> skill, to do jobs for society, as a whole, is one of the elements of
> democracy.
> Fraud, misrepresentaion, messing with the books, lying, and
> interfering with fair elections, to any degree, is a deal breaker,
> both in business, and in politics, as it is in life.
> Any group of people, need to work these things out, whether a family,
> or a country.
> Stirring the pot, getting, brother against brother, so you can take
> advantage of both, is pretty evil behavior, and companies, only
> measuring the bottom line of the profit sheet, are often guilty.
> Executives only get that fat bonus, in their contracts, if the numbers
> rise, no questions asked.
>  Look around you, and see if that is working?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 4:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hi Mick
>     I disagree on Venezuela issue. Being largest oil producer in area
>     they could of eaSsy had economy and quality of life similar to
>     what happened with Norway but no, the USA blocked oil sales and
>     destroyed their economy through every nefarious means possible,
>     just because they would not let US oil companies in there to rape
>     the country.
>     Columbia is building up military along border in CIA plot to
>     invade Venezuela which could happen any day.. Columbia now USA
>     proxy army in region as CIA controls cocaine economy now 100% and
>     so controls country and army. Those coming acrossbirder "hope" o
>     be on winning side after invasion takes place. Look for invasion
>     similar to Panama 3000 civilians killed probably 10,000 they don't
>     care don't keep track like in Iraq.
>     Right now US Navy is more or less blockading oil tankers to trade
>     freely with excuse they do not sell to countries USA approves of.
>     Kone
>
>     ...
>
>

Fif you wan't  to worry about something .there was a theory proposed about
a mass extention that was unexplained .then the found Prof of event   it
involves the heating of the oceans till the methel hydrate turned to gas
under the seas and created miles across bubbles of methan gas that finds a
volcano then boom .everything is dead .there's a shitvload of it under the
oceans they found so much in the gulfvof Mexico that it would run the USA
for 100 years .so they fourced them to say ten years so as to drop the
price to much .but it's real .

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, george gray [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Warren,
>
> You are right about "Stirring the pot, getting brother against brother to
> take advantage of both" is very true.  All the latest wars have been like
> this: ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS Full Version
> <https://youtu.be/QlunSNY5B48>
>
> ALL WARS ARE BANKERS' WARS Full Version
>
> Video by Zane Henry based on a radio show by Michael Rivero. "The few who
> understand the system, will either be ...
> <https://youtu.be/QlunSNY5B48>
>
>
> George
>
> On Wednesday, 12 December 2018, 1:21:37 am AEDT, Warren Keillor
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Doug
> From living in Venezuela, during the coup, and ten years later, during the
> general strike, I think your information you have, is quite on the mark.
> They are a lovely, educated people, in very hard times, just trying to
> make their own decisions, amid some tough challenges.
> American companies play hard ball, without compassion, or empathy, if it
> might cost them money.
> When operating in a jurisdiction where they are not held strictly to
> account, because they have paid off certain officials, out of the prying
> eyes of news media, they run ammuck flaunting laws, and responsibilities.
> Some companies are bad in the US, but way worse, where they run without
> leashes.
> As a citizen, one sees injustice, and like people all over the World, they
> just want a fair playing field, and uniform rules agreed on by everybody,
> maintained by fair and impartial people.
> Being able to pick and choose people likely having the integrity, and
> skill, to do jobs for society, as a whole, is one of the elements of
> democracy.
> Fraud, misrepresentaion, messing with the books, lying, and interfering
> with fair elections, to any degree, is a deal breaker, both in business,
> and in politics, as it is in life.
> Any group of people, need to work these things out, whether a family, or a
> country.
> Stirring the pot, getting, brother against brother, so you can take
> advantage of both, is pretty evil behavior, and companies, only measuring
> the bottom line of the profit sheet, are often guilty.
> Executives only get that fat bonus, in their contracts, if the numbers
> rise, no questions asked.
>  Look around you, and see if that is working?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 4:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mick
> I disagree on Venezuela issue. Being largest oil producer in area they
> could of eaSsy had economy and quality of life similar to what happened
> with Norway but no, the USA blocked oil sales and destroyed their economy
> through every nefarious means possible, just because they would not let US
> oil companies in there to rape the country.
> Columbia is building up military along border in CIA plot to invade
> Venezuela which could happen any day.. Columbia now USA proxy army in
> region as CIA controls cocaine economy now 100% and so controls country and
> army. Those coming acrossbirder "hope" o be on winning side after invasion
> takes place. Look for invasion similar to Panama 3000 civilians killed
> probably 10,000 they don't care don't keep track like in Iraq.
> Right now US Navy is more or less blockading oil tankers to trade freely
> with excuse they do not sell to countries USA approves of.
> Kone
>
> ....
>
> 
>

Hi George,

"Not everybody agrees with the Climate change theory/hoax."
 That's very true. But it can be examined is scientific ways. It is said that it never rains at the Russian may 1st parade because of manipulating the weather. It this is true it can be done and probably is being done. Even the theories about chemtrails said it was weather manipulation as clouds reflect infrared radiation (heat). This has also been shown in scientific reports. But clouds also reflect heat from the earth making it warmer at cloudy nights and colder at clear nights. Going down into mine shafts the temperature increases with the depth which shows that heat comes from inside the earth. If this heat can't escape out into space the atmosphere heats up too giving us the warmer climate that used to be further south. The warmer climate is believed to be why we see plants fish and animals migrate towards north. We now have fish that before only lived further south and the fish that used to live here has gone to colder climate. Even different birds that used to go South during winter now stays in the country during winters hoping to survive which many actually do with the mild winters of this decade. Heating houses in the winter becomes cheaper. The summer becomes slightly longer each year. This all may sound like a win situation but going south like to Spain it can be a huge problem with expanding deserts. At my place the rising oceans can become the big problem even though the climate becomes milder.

George we don't even agree on the shape of the earth. This can be examined and found out by using scientific methods which actually already has been done many times.

What are needed are solutions no matter if the climate problem is caused by humans or by nature. Can we save our planet or do we have to evacuate it to survive as humans? That's the question.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 
 Hi Ole,
 

 Not everybody agrees with the Climate change theory/hoax.
 

 Climate change is NATURAL: Scientist blows global warming debate ... https://www.express.co.uk › News › Science https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/845901/climate-change-natural-global-warming-evidence-jennifer-marohasy https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=8TAQXMWAOYL0rQGcioSAAw&q=climate+change+hoax+proof&oq=climate+change+hoax&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.8015.20250..24905...0.0..1.2000.6618.0j17j1j0j1j7-1j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i67j0i10i67.HWARjN_rHKg# Cached https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mBfrROi4bHwJ:https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/845901/climate-change-natural-global-warming-evidence-jennifer-marohasy+&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au


 Aug 25, 2017 - CLIMATE change is a natural phenomenon, according to a shock new report which throws a spanner in the works of those who say global ...
 

 
 Is Global Warming A Hoax? Discover The Climate Change Facts https://www.investors.com/politics/global-warming-hoax-climate-change-facts/ https://www.investors.com/politics/global-warming-hoax-climate-change-facts/ https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=8TAQXMWAOYL0rQGcioSAAw&q=climate+change+hoax+proof&oq=climate+change+hoax&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.8015.20250..24905...0.0..1.2000.6618.0j17j1j0j1j7-1j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i67j0i10i67.HWARjN_rHKg# Cached https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Wbf96WWUKJIJ:https://www.investors.com/politics/global-warming-hoax-climate-change-facts/+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au


 Nov 10, 2018 - Are C02 emissions causing more forest fires, hurricanes and other natural disasters? Track the latest evidence in the great global warming ...
 

 
 The Global Warming, Carbon Dioxide Hoax: Easy to Read Proof That ... https://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming-Carbon-Dioxide-Hoax.../B00T3R6XT8 https://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming-Carbon-Dioxide-Hoax-ebook/dp/B00T3R6XT8 https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=8TAQXMWAOYL0rQGcioSAAw&q=climate+change+hoax+proof&oq=climate+change+hoax&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0.8015.20250..24905...0.0..1.2000.6618.0j17j1j0j1j7-1j0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0i67j0i10i67.HWARjN_rHKg# Similar https://www.google.com.au/search?q=related:https://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming-Carbon-Dioxide-Hoax-ebook/dp/B00T3R6XT8+climate+change+hoax+proof&tbo=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjL-bL_45jfAhVSdCsKHZelAdkQHzAJegQIAxAE


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 On Tuesday, 11 December 2018, 11:48:53 pm AEDT, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
 

 

   Hi Mick,

"Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem."
Our government has come up with a climate plan that experts as well as industry says isn't ambitious enough to solve the problem. The glaciers of Greenland are melting at increasing rates. The permafrost of Siberia is melting too causing huge releases of methane gas which is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2. The CO2 level is at an extreme height. The melting of the ice of Greenland will cause big trouble for many highly populated areas along coastlines. This may cause millions of refugees from big cities when becoming uninhabitable. Therefore it is much cheaper to do something about the problem now than waiting a decade to solve it. This will make lots of jobs in creating solutions instead of having to evacuate big cities and coastlines. My small country is great in the world of producing wind turbines and energy efficient technology. We really need such non fossil energy alternatives if we want to still live above sea level. Evacuating a country and its high infrastructure will be quite expensive. Besides where should all the people go when lots of area will be affected in other countries too? To make the wind power industry was expensive for the tax payers but now it is a big export article making the investment pay back as well as having free energy and cleaner air.

The idea with the CO2 tax is to force people away from increasing the already huge fossil energy problem as well as paying for solutions. Investing the money in cleaner technology in the most polluting countries gives the best climate payback. Of course taxes aren't good in corrupt places. Thus first get rid of corruption which requires open systems.

Countries like India China Russia and USA have great potential to reduce CO2 emissions.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Kone,
 I agree with your assessment and don't believe anyone should own resources outside their own country, perhaps a limited lease in exchange for building the infrastructure.  There is greed and lack of ethics in all systems socialist or capitalist.

 Crony capitalism is evil.  War economies are evil, unchecked profit without ethics is evil. Lack of competition due to monopoly is evil. A system where one is able to live free and build competitive business in an ethical way is the ultimate for human ascendance.  Unfortunately the US has been taken over by greedy people without ethics.  The government in Venezuela is fucked, this is why we have so many people migrating to Colombia starving and looking for work.  I speak to these people every day, no bullshit.  It is not the US fault what happened it is the fault of greedy pig socialist same as greedy pig capitalist.
 Venezuela was a paradise and then the dictator forced out all the oil company engineers and other Venezuelan business professionals who knew what they were doing in order to give high paying jobs to military politicos who did not know shit but could protect his ass.  All the profitable businesses were socialized in these ways.  From what the Venezuelan doctor told me the roots of all of the downfall was promulgated the most by Cuban social engineering much more so than US spook shit, though that was dirty pool no doubt.  Poor people who do not fight to better themselves or are limited for other reasons will always vote for the most free shit but someone has to pay for it, sooner or later all the good businesses leave and their are no jobs. Free markets rather than socially overseen bullshit ones like UN fucking carbon credits where CO2 is now some pollutant but paying Gore will fix the problem.  Total socialist top down control based business model.  The places I go where one can live well and has the best access to goods and services are free market vertically integrated, all the socialist top down controlled have much less options to a person willing to perform learn and grow.  Unfortunately some people elicit a failure to thrive, in nature same thing happens with animals, existence takes fucking hard work.
 
 Doesn't matter the system human frailty is the sad part. Ideally we should have no government and be self governing but sapiens are not grounded and ethical enough yet and likely never will be as long as they are taught UNESCO all suffering is due to someone else and they are simply victims of circumstance.  The truth about Venezuela is assholes took over and destroyed a healthy economy.  There were CIA shenanigans for sure but this is not the reason for the place sucking now.  Also Ecuador is changing to this shitty system where the socialist government thinks they can fix everything by taxing business's.  No one we spoke with who owned a pizza place or a market etc were using bank accounts anymore because their money kept being appropriated for public works with higher taxes every few months.  It is in a sad state now full of crime and hateful victim mentality.  Barely any selection at markets many shelves are not stocked.  Businesses are being forced offshore or closing so there is the truth witnessed firsthand.  Being that I live in South America I have the opportunity to assess these issues first hand.

 On 12/10/2018 4:15 PM, konehead@... mailto:konehead@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Pure bullshit propaganda "socialist" government being cause of big problems in venezuala. The fucking capitalist war monger pigs in wadhington dc are the problem, blockading, sanctioning. Starvng, sending in.metcenarie ( paid terrorists) from Columbia and whoever wants to make a CIA buck killing innocent plus Supposed humanitarian NGOs paying protestrs to start riots and all the other shit capitalist profit first evil pigs from hell will do.
 Its all standard procedure for CIA and State department anytime a "socialist" government .voted into office tells US capitalist orporations to get the fuck out of their country and will never allow US military base on their soil.
 Imagine the gal l to kick out US corporations who say they "own" land and industry in a country and give the land and industry to the citizens of the country!! Fuck that is reason to invade kill thousands of socialist peasants who would be better off dead than communist sympathizers eh...