Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery

Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this
is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>  James,
>
>                 A drawing with some values in general of some type
> would be helpful in description of your idea,s. 
>
> I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in
> acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or
>
> morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of
> traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their
> past  work places with coworkers etc.
>
> What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered
> Stans buggy at one time.
>
> For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense.
> Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then
> reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark
> plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and
> high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with
> any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a
> scheduled demand for an estimated payload .
>
> Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship
> with Fleishman and Pons.
>
> I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman
> once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and
> that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however
> get to witness it, so not valid.
>
> Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up
> to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .
>
> They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants
> to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop
> some wheres in Florida I think.
>
>
> Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was
> just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible,
> securing it, then regulating the fuel..
>
> So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?
>
> At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at
> best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.
>
> There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of
> some kind running his car down the highway.
>
> I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are
> getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better
> managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>  
>  
>
> Bart
>
>  I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in
> the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to
> compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go
> with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics
> free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or
> more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might
> finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the
> poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it
> just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo
> replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters
> of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho
> device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts
> might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know
> nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up
> .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with
> connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't
> seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might
> cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and
> increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator
> I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap
> and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor
> .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in
> the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with
> a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes
> to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just
> how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle
> just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm
> just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of
> sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     James
>
>                    On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to
>     60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>
>     There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the
>     embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled
>     thermal value.
>
>     hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds
>     have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster
>     than fossil.
>
>     Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the
>     element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>
>     My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may
>     be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to
>     just breath in the exhaust.
>
>     You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>
>     Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing
>     rotary.  I will post a vid.
>
>
>     Bart
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>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf
>     of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>     *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
>     *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>     *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>      
>      
>
>     James
>
>     As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is
>     even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with
>     atmospheric change, or elevation. 
>     Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons,
>     and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science,
>     so recently taken for granted.
>     Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the
>     various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
>     A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you
>     over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an
>     elevator, or crane.
>     When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little
>     cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how
>     trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries,
>     which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or
>     not, depending on the observer's interests.
>     The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when
>     we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our
>     education system tends to create specialists, rather than those
>     useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any
>     subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and
>     being a drain on the family finances.
>     Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
>     One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or
>     politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are
>     staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
>     My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from
>     there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work,
>     realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a
>     little by every editor, or each of us, according to self
>     awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
>     Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we
>     build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up,
>     and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
>     On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are
>     actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform,
>     because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid
>     stooges, working for a service.
>     In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out
>     of common stuff, and try it out.
>     Hot glue is waterproof.
>     Cheers Warren
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>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski
>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>          
>
>         On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to
>         drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is
>         why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out
>         what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or
>         slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using
>         a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get
>         your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going
>         or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near
>         the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive
>         power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for
>         the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas
>         under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi
>         some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to
>         30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of
>         HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises.
>         That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper
>         you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator
>         .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's
>         got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting
>         tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the
>         worst efficiency's.it <http://s.it>'s over the top...most are
>         happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find
>         ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job
>         by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be
>         there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items
>         .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>
>         On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray
>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>              
>             Thanks Bart.
>             George
>
>
>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>             George,
>                             I have not disclosed as of yet how I make
>             mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
>             You can how ever get similar results which take longer but
>             does work using a magnetic stirrer.
>             Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or
>             less to increase the ph.
>             Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph
>             to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
>             Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in.
>             Works great......
>
>             https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
>             <https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>             Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna
>             Instruments
>             <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>             hannainst.com <http://hannainst.com>
>             Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with
>             plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small
>             footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>             [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>             Bart,
>
>             I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how
>             to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this
>             water?
>
>             George
>
>
>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>
>             Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss
>             directions here but did , coming from a frustrated
>             exercised  value mostly.
>
>             This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs
>             of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him
>             in then disregarded him.
>
>             Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the
>             same values, tho they may be similar.
>
>             The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size
>             with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing
>             as having a zero carcinogen value.
>
>             I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it
>             helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not
>             clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be
>             made only by private means.
>
>             Individual results have come in and are coming in on a
>             steady basis with positive results on all counts on
>             physical health and mental,
>
>             Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with
>             digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this
>             chat. 
>
>             Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a
>             catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not
>             engaged with our *Vagus Nerve*
>             <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>
>             A quick link
>
>             https://www.learning-mind.com/
>             scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/
>             <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>
>
>             So the highly charged water is now delivered through out
>             the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes
>             aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering
>
>             any value you wish to any area you wish.
>
>
>
>             http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
>             brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/
>             <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>
>
>             While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to
>             occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.
>
>             Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express
>             them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and
>             express it by means of anger through frustration.
>
>
>             When they drink the water they no longer express them
>             selves through anger and seem more communicative.
>
>             I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water
>             could assist or even cure the problem for some.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>             [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>             Bart,
>
>             Tell me about your water that would help the children with
>             autism.
>
>             George
>
>             On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>
>             Mick Kone
>
>                                  Kone as usual your advice and words
>             do not go unheard. Thank you.
>
>             Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the
>             yesterday day becomes the old way .
>
>             As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>
>             Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits
>             and own the convenience store as well as the shopping
>             mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.
>
>             Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as
>             individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America
>             more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from
>             Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.
>
>             Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>
>             As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and
>             befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.  
>             But there  , its the way of life.
>
>             Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same
>             exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of 
>             order, tho it is at least that I suppose.
>
>              But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have
>             even mentioned it.
>
>             The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went
>             the weekend before last to visit our daughter.
>
>             We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on
>             our doorstep from the University lol
>
>             he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along .
>             We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was
>             working at.
>
>             A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do
>             think my water would help the children but daughter said
>             its not certified , So no we could not.
>
>             Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some
>             studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.
>
>             While there we went to Banff
>
>             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta
>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>
>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>             	
>             Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia
>             <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>             en.wikipedia.org <http://en.wikipedia.org>
>             Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta,
>             Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the
>             Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of
>             Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an
>             elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft),
>             Banff is the community with the second highest elevation
>             in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>
>             We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son
>             from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and
>             the eagles fly!
>
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mick
>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
>             *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>
>             Kone,
>
>             Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon,
>             that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for
>             big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't
>             use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the
>             taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big
>             dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow
>             operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing
>             now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a
>             million a year, now prices have dropped and everything
>             taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was
>             supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about
>             shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other
>             bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed
>             money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months
>             back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for
>             govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than
>             they ever did working sometimes double and high six
>             figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax
>             each year to pay these retirements of which they are
>             claiming we are 22 billion in the red. 
>
>             Check out this shit:
>
>             https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/
>             <https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>
>
>             <https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>
>
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               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU .but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great...

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments<https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
hannainst.com<http://hannainst.com>
Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!






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Sent: November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&q=stomach+intelligence.>

So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Sent: November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

<https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/medical-use-cannabis.html>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

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We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Sent: November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov..oregonlive.com/pers/>

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Here are the 129,544 people with pension benefits from the Oregon Public Employees Retirement System as of Jan. 1, 2018.



On 11/11/2018 11:21 PM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Hi Bart

Thanks for all your posts and contributions here!!

Worst thing to look out for in grow operations is gangs (russian bikers mexicans chinese vietnamese etc etc etc) finding where is grow operation then breaking in and stealing everything as soon as.its ready for market. What are you going to do shoot everyone? Cops can be put in caatevory of gangs too, they are corrupt everywhere in world, carry guns, look out for only themselves get away with.murder all the time.
Let those guys with small army private army do the growing you could provide technical expertise...look into putting neodymium magnet under roots of plants.. pot itself not so bad but what they will dip the shitty leftover in is what is fucked up formaldahyde (aka dank) , meth, heroin, opium, speed, evev viagra wbo knows what is in the shit...legal is good since you know what it is at least but those already established illegal pot growers are pissed when it goes legal and will break in and steal no problem if site becomes known...in your town I think is biker gangs controlling weed market...biker gangs and cops sometimes symbiotic
Kone

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Bart
 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the
creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound
efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one
way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it
even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two
or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone
.not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke
is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just
go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme
changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the
efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by
combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for
some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho
set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with
connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem
to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in
half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I
don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle
motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs
easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2
deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still
would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out
just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse
.in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4
horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for
other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of
sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James
>
>                On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value
> with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>
> There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment
> factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.
>
> hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a
> short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.
>
> Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count
> on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>
> My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able
> to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the
> exhaust.
>
> You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>
> Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I
> will post a vid.
>
> Bart
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> James
> As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less
> pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or
> elevation.
> Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and
> locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently
> taken for granted.
> Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various
> bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
> A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over
> inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
> When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in
> the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to
> themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a
> brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the
> observer's interests.
> The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we
> combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education
> system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just
> take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never
> seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
> Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
> One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics
> does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at
> over unity, there, in front of you.
> My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there
> build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that
> every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor,
> or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on
> to others.
> Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a
> network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to
> pieces, in a media overloaded era.
> On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually
> are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are
> on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
> In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of
> common stuff, and try it out.
> Hot glue is waterproof.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy
> generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy
> generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a
> 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU
> using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your
> energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less
> than that .being it's still not OU .but near the OU generally but not there
> yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for
> shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the
> gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60
> psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise
>  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi
> comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into
> it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your
> generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got
> to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out
> of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it's over
> the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we
> can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by
> getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start
> working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,.
> Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Bart.
> George
>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> George,
>                 I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still
> seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
> You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using
> a magnetic stirrer.
> Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase
> the ph.
> Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then
> settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
> Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great....
>
> https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
> <https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
> Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments
> <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
> hannainst.com
> Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can
> stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
> *To:* bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> Bart,
>
> I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this
> water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?
>
> George
>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but
> did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.
>
> This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but
> really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.
>
> Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho
> they may be similar.
>
> The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no
> carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.
>
> I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many
> issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no
> reports or claims may be made only by private means.
>
> Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with
> positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,
>
> Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value
> problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.
>
> Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or
> whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our *Vagus
> Nerve*
> <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>
> A quick link
>
> https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second-
> brain-in-the-human-body/
> <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&q=stomach+intelligence.>
>
> So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via
> hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported
> charge delivering
>
> any value you wish to any area you wish.
>
>
>
> http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
> brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/
> <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>
>
> While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it
> be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.
>
> Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves.
> Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through
> frustration.
>
>
> When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger
> and seem more communicative.
>
> I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or
> even cure the problem for some.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
> *To:* bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> Bart,
>
> Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.
>
> George
>
> On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Mick Kone
>
>                      Kone as usual your advice and words do not go
> unheard. Thank you.
>
> Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day
> becomes the old way .
>
> As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>
> Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the
> convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop
> , school teacher and so on.
>
> Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so
> much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its
> best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.
>
> Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>
> As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some
> ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.
>
> Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just
> different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I
> suppose.
>
>  But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.
>
> The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before
> last to visit our daughter.
>
> We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep
> from the University lol
>
> he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get
> them  employment where my daughter was working at.
>
> A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water
> would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we
> could not.
>
> Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the
> wife says its not clinically proven.
>
> While there we went to Banff
>
>
> <https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/medical-use-cannabis.html>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Banff,_Alberta <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
> Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
> en.wikipedia.org
> Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is
> located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately
> 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an
> elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the
> community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>
> We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says
> yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> Kone,
>
> Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days
> of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never
> happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to
> pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot
> easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks
> to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing
> close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed
> they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but
> they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and
> other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is
> being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of
> the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making
> more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.
> Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these
> retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.
>
> Check out this shit:
>
> https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/ <https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>
> <https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>
>
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Thanks Warren
As far as God is concerned in our life it's like looking at that large
black monolith in the movie 2001 .and were the Monkees .some one said were
made of star stuff I  disagree the furniture is made of Star stuff but
can't interface with anything or complain which I think is a prerequisite
to being a sentient being 😊. No I think we're made of the God. Stuff . in
Genesis it says God breathed the breath of life in to a dead corups and
that was the biginning of humanity .that word breath in Hebrew is spirit
and John said God is a spirit so he but him self in that star stuff and now
in him we live and move and have or being .every where that humanity goes
and multiply so does that spirit .and in the end we will return to it
.understand it nope just there .were not furniture .were a hell of a lot
more .and deserve to live .out our lives completely . I think this life is
a training ground and solving problems is the soup of the day .


sunday, November 18, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bart
>  I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the
> creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound
> efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one
> way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it
> even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two
> or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone
> .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke
> is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just
> go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme
> changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the
> efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by
> combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for
> some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho
> set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with
> connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem
> to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in
> half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I
> don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle
> motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs
> easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2
> deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still
> would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out
> just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse
> .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4
> horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for
> other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of
> sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>                On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value
>> with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>>
>> There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment
>> factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.
>>
>> hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a
>> short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.
>>
>> Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count
>> on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>>
>> My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be
>> able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in
>> the exhaust.
>>
>> You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>>
>> Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I
>> will post a vid.
>>
>> Bart
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
>> [email protected]>
>> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>
>>
>>
>> James
>> As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even
>> less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change,
>> or elevation.
>> Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and
>> locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently
>> taken for granted.
>> Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various
>> bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
>> A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over
>> inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
>> When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in
>> the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to
>> themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a
>> brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the
>> observer's interests.
>> The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we
>> combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education
>> system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just
>> take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never
>> seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
>> Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
>> One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics
>> does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at
>> over unity, there, in front of you.
>> My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there
>> build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that
>> every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor,
>> or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on
>> to others.
>> Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a
>> network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to
>> pieces, in a media overloaded era.
>> On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are
>> actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because
>> they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a
>> service.
>> In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of
>> common stuff, and try it out.
>> Hot glue is waterproof.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a
>> buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a
>> bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt
>> in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a
>> 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get
>> your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little
>> less than that .being it's still not OU .but near the OU generally but not
>> there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU
>> for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate
>> the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at
>> 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and
>> raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the
>> psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put
>> into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your
>> generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got
>> to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out
>> of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it's over
>> the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we
>> can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by
>> getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start
>> working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,.
>> Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>>
>> On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bart.
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard
>> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> George,
>>                 I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it
>> still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
>> You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work
>> using a magnetic stirrer.
>> Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase
>> the ph.
>> Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then
>> settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
>> Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great....
>>
>> https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
>> <https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>> Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments
>> <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>> hannainst.com
>> Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can
>> stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>> george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
>> *To:* bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>
>>
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this
>> water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard
>> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but
>> did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.
>>
>> This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but
>> really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.
>>
>> Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho
>> they may be similar.
>>
>> The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to
>> no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen
>> value.
>>
>> I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many
>> issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no
>> reports or claims may be made only by private means.
>>
>> Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with
>> positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,
>>
>> Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive
>> value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.
>>
>> Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or
>> whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our *Vagus
>> Nerve*
>> <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>>
>> A quick link
>>
>> https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second-
>> brain-in-the-human-body/
>> <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&q=stomach+intelligence.>
>>
>> So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via
>> hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported
>> charge delivering
>>
>> any value you wish to any area you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
>> brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/
>> <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>>
>>
>> While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it
>> be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.
>>
>> Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves.
>> Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through
>> frustration.
>>
>>
>> When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through
>> anger and seem more communicative.
>>
>> I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or
>> even cure the problem for some.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>> george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
>> *To:* bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>
>>
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard
>> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mick Kone
>>
>>                      Kone as usual your advice and words do not go
>> unheard. Thank you.
>>
>> Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day
>> becomes the old way .
>>
>> As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>>
>> Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the
>> convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop
>> , school teacher and so on.
>>
>> Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so
>> much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its
>> best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.
>>
>> Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>>
>> As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some
>> ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.
>>
>> Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just
>> different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I
>> suppose.
>>
>>  But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.
>>
>> The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend
>> before last to visit our daughter.
>>
>> We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep
>> from the University lol
>>
>> he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to
>> get them  employment where my daughter was working at.
>>
>> A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water
>> would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we
>> could not.
>>
>> Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the
>> wife says its not clinically proven.
>>
>> While there we went to Banff
>>
>>
>> <https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/medical-use-cannabis.html>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>> Banff,_Alberta <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>> Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia
>> <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>> en.wikipedia.org
>> Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is
>> located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately
>> 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an
>> elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the
>> community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>>
>> We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says
>> yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!
>>
>> ------------------------------
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James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel.

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Sent: November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great.....

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments<https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
hannainst.com<http://hannainst.com>
Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!






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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&q=stomach+intelligence.>

So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

<https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/medical-use-cannabis.html>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Banff.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>

[http://gov.oregonlive.com/images/bigtop.png]<https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>


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I could be wrongly recalling
but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with the wife lol



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From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel..

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great......

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments<https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
hannainst.com<http://hannainst.com>
Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!






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To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery


Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Sent: November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery


Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Banff.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>

[http://gov.oregonlive..com/images/bigtop.png]<https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>

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Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel..

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
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On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great......

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
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Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!






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Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Banff.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

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Did you use a ultrasonic cold steam generator in combo with the motor ?

No I have not utilized it
the thought did occur once upon a time lol



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Bart
Did you use a ultrasonic cold steam generator in combo with the motor ? From what I've read it's the kinetic energy of the hho that expands the steam and runs the motor . with out it it's mostly boom stuff .with little push .

On Nov 18, 2018 7:27 PM, "bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


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Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel....

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
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On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ...but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great........

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
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Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Banff.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>

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           Some links talk about how it is a false report.? hmmm  dunno

I do remember reading much of the info on this video.  Also remembering the similarity of application between this and the Moray device

as it was also suppose to be from Tesla resembling the same description of construction.


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I could be wrongly recalling
but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with the wife lol



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From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel...

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great.......

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html<https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments<https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
hannainst.com<http://hannainst.com>
Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!






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Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Banff.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>

[http://gov.oregonlive..com/images/bigtop.png]<https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>

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  On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 1:38 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


James 


               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.


Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.


Bart
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
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James
As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation. Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.Hot glue is waterproof.Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU .but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it's over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


 

Thanks Bart.George

On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 

George,                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great....

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
| Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instrumentshannainst.comCompact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab! |






From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of george [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
To: bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  

Bart,
I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?
George

On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 


Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.


Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.


The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,


Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat. 

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/





So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering


any value you wish to any area you wish.







http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/




While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.





When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.















From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of george [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
To: bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  

Bart,
Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.
George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 


Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.


As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta

|  | Banff, Alberta - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.orgBanff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise. |




We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!


From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  


Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.  


Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/

|  | Oregon Public Employees Retirement System :: Your ...gov.oregonlive.comHere are the 129,544 people with pension benefits from the Oregon Public Employees Retirement System as of Jan. 1, 2018. |




On 11/11/2018 11:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 
Hi Bart

Thanks for all your posts and contributions here!!

Worst thing to look out for in grow operations is gangs (russian bikers mexicans chinese vietnamese etc etc etc) finding where is grow operation then breaking in and stealing everything as soon as.its ready for market. What are you going to do shoot everyone? Cops can be put in caatevory of gangs too, they are corrupt everywhere in world, carry guns, look out for only themselves get away with.murder all the time.
Let those guys with small army private army do the growing you could provide technical expertise...look into putting neodymium magnet under roots of plants.. pot itself not so bad but what they will dip the shitty leftover in is what is fucked up formaldahyde (aka dank) , meth, heroin, opium, speed, evev viagra wbo knows what is in the shit...legal is good since you know what it is at least but those already established illegal pot growers are pissed when it goes legal and will break in and steal no problem if site becomes known...in your town I think is biker gangs controlling weed market...biker gangs and cops sometimes symbiotic
Kone









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BartIt would be so cool to find sitting in one of those closed up warehouses in Buffalo, Tesla's car, wouldn't it?I thought of writing a novel about the car, in Buffalo, complete with gangsters, and German spies, typical investors, killing each other, while Tesla fed his pigeons, and the car just remains, still sitting in the abandoned warehouse, bricked up, to this day, a sorry, sad tale of genius,greed and power, in a historical context, with a feature of free energy thrown in.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 8:52 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

I could be wrongly recallingbut in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with the wife lol


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From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> 
Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery 

 


Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?



On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s. 

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.




Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel...

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?


At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.









From:[email protected]<[email protected]> on behalf of James [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
Sent: November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  
Bart
 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 
James 


               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.


Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.


Bart
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Warren [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  
James
As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation. Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.Hot glue is waterproof.Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it's over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


 Thanks Bart.George

On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 George,                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great.......

https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
| Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instrumentshannainst.comCompact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab! |






From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of george [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
To: bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  Bart,
I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?
George

On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 
Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.


Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.


The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,


Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat. 

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/





So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering


any value you wish to any area you wish.







http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/




While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.





When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.















From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of george [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
To: bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  Bart,
Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.
George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 
Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.


As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta

|  | Banff, Alberta - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.orgBanff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise. |


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!


From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery  
Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.  


Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/

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Burt it cost under 10.00 to get one .its a key to make it work .and the2
deg after tdc .because of the extremities flame spread so fast they  have
trouble measuring it .not like slow gasoline at all .


On Sunday, November 18, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> Bart
> It would be so cool to find sitting in one of those closed up warehouses
> in Buffalo, Tesla's car, wouldn't it?
> I thought of writing a novel about the car, in Buffalo, complete with
> gangsters, and German spies, typical investors, killing each other, while
> Tesla fed his pigeons, and the car just remains, still sitting in the
> abandoned warehouse, bricked up, to this day, a sorry, sad tale of
> genius,greed and power, in a historical context, with a feature of free
> energy thrown in.
> Cheers Warren
>
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>
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 8:52 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I could be wrongly recalling
> but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
> He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo
> I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with
> the wife lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> Bart,
>
> How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is
> interesting?
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>  James,
>
>                 A drawing with some values in general of some type would
> be helpful in description of your idea,s.
>
> I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in
> acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or
>
> morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling
> to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places
> with coworkers etc.
>
> What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans
> buggy at one time.
>
> For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense.
> Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then
> reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug)
> then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume
> displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is
> volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an
> estimated payload .
>
> Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship
> with Fleishman and Pons.
>
> I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once
> whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran
> for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness
> it, so not valid.
>
> Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to
> 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .
>
> They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to
> know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres
> in Florida I think.
>
>
> Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just
> setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing
> it, then regulating the fuel....
>
> So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?
>
> At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best
> with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.
>
> There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of
> some kind running his car down the highway.
>
> I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting
> better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now
> solar and wind are getting cheaper.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> <[email protected]> on behalf of James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> Bart
>  I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the
> creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound
> efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one
> way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it
> even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two
> or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone
> .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke
> is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just
> go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme
> changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the
> efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by
> combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for
> some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho
> set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with
> connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem
> to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in
> half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I
> don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle
> motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs
> easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2
> deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still
> would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out
> just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse
> .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4
> horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for
> other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of
> sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.
>
> On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]
> <[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
>
>                On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value
> with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>
> There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment
> factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.
>
> hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a
> short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.
>
> Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count
> on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>
> My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able
> to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the
> exhaust.
>
> You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>
> Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I
> will post a vid.
>
> Bart
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]
> <[email protected]>> on behalf of Warren Keillor
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
>
> James
> As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less
> pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or
> elevation.
> Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and
> locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently
> taken for granted.
> Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various
> bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
> A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over
> inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
> When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in
> the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to
> themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a
> brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the
> observer's interests.
> The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we
> combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education
> system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just
> take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never
> seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
> Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
> One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics
> does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at
> over unity, there, in front of you.
> My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there
> build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that
> every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor,
> or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on
> to others.
> Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a
> network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to
> pieces, in a media overloaded era.
> On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually
> are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are
> on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
> In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of
> common stuff, and try it out.
> Hot glue is waterproof.
> Cheers Warren
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>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy
> generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy
> generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a
> 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU
> using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your
> energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less
> than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not
> there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU
> for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate
> the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at
> 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and
> raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the
> psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put
> into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your
> generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got
> to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out
> of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it's over
> the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we
> can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by
> getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start
> working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,.
> Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Bart.
> George
>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> George,
>                 I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still
> seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
> You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using
> a magnetic stirrer.
> Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase
> the ph.
> Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then
> settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
> Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works
> great........
>
> https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
> <https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
> Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna Instruments
> <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
> hannainst.com
> Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with plastic cover can
> stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
> *To:* bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>
> Bart,
>
> I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this
> water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?
>
> George
>
>
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but
> did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.
>
> This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but
> really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.
>
> Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho
> they may be similar.
>
> The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no
> carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.
>
> I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many
> issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no
> reports or claims may be made only by private means.
>
> Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with
> positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,
>
> Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value
> problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.
>
> Whether or not its due to a lack of
> ------------------------------
> Posted by: george gray <[email protected]
> <[email protected]>>
> ------------------------------
>
>

Bart,

There is so much suppression and innuendo who knows is right.  Some
other such tales about Tesla name from a religious event through his
father rather than the normal family sir name which may have been
Terbo.  One of the Terbo Tesla relatives I think it was his nephew
maybe, who was alleged to have invented the hypoid gear.  Actual car
passenger could be a less known cousin from his Mom's side or brothers
along with serious threats to the more well known family members or else
all smoke.  The truth vanishes quick if results are occluded and all
first person witnesses are departed.

Pretty cool you were ale to get hold of Bob Boyce, he is a great
experimenter discoverer.  I would love to be able to speak with him
someday, unfortunately I don't think his health is the best.

https://www.telegraf.rs/english/1503794-the-bloodline-dies-with-me-says-william-terbo-proudly-claiming-he-is-the-only-living-relative-of-nikola-teslas-video

On 11/18/2018 6:11 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick
>
>            Some links talk about how it is a false report.? hmmm  dunno
>
> I do remember reading much of the info on this video.  Also
> remembering the similarity of application between this and the Moray
> device
>
> as it was also suppose to be from Tesla resembling the same
> description of construction.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIv_x7q9jk8
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIv_x7q9jk8>
> 	
> Tesla's "1931 ⛽️ Pierce Arrow" Electric Automobile
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIv_x7q9jk8>
> www.youtube.com
> The modern Tesla is known for making modern electric cars, but the
> truth is the original Nikola Tesla made an electric car — and he did
> it all without batteries ...
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 8:24 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>  
>  
> I could be wrongly recalling
> but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
> He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to
> Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am
> shopping with the wife lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this
> is interesting?
>
>
> On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>>  James,
>>
>>                 A drawing with some values in general of some type
>> would be helpful in description of your idea,s. 
>>
>> I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in
>> acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified
>> again or
>>
>> morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of
>> traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their
>> past  work places with coworkers etc.
>>
>> What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered
>> Stans buggy at one time.
>>
>> For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense.
>> Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then
>> reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark
>> plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and
>> high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with
>> any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a
>> scheduled demand for an estimated payload .
>>
>> Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in
>> relationship with Fleishman and Pons.
>>
>> I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman
>> once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and
>> that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however
>> get to witness it, so not valid.
>>
>> Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up
>> to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .
>>
>> They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants
>> to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop
>> some wheres in Florida I think.
>>
>>
>> Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was
>> just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible,
>> securing it, then regulating the fuel...
>>
>> So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?
>>
>> At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at
>> best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.
>>
>> There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod
>> of some kind running his car down the highway.
>>
>> I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are
>> getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better
>> managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> James Glinski [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>  I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in
>> the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to
>> compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most
>> go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho
>> electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of
>> using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation
>> we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded
>> but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get
>> there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this
>> combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the
>> parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the
>> efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU
>> by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead
>> ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now
>> finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran
>> in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with
>> out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and
>> its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones
>> .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to
>> join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a
>> four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go
>> with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past
>> tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still
>> would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find
>> out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to
>> 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it
>> .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here
>> .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for
>> multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the
>> boonies.  3 would be nice.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>      
>>
>>     James
>>
>>                    On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to
>>     60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>>
>>     There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the
>>     embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled
>>     thermal value.
>>
>>     hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard
>>     builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9
>>     times faster than fossil.
>>
>>     Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the
>>     element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>>
>>     My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I
>>     may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want
>>     to just breath in the exhaust.
>>
>>     You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>>
>>     Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing
>>     rotary.  I will post a vid.
>>
>>
>>     Bart
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on
>>     behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>     *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
>>     *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>      
>>      
>>
>>     James
>>
>>     As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is
>>     even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with
>>     atmospheric change, or elevation. 
>>     Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of
>>     tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine
>>     science, so recently taken for granted.
>>     Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the
>>     various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
>>     A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if
>>     you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an
>>     elevator, or crane.
>>     When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little
>>     cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how
>>     trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret
>>     discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over
>>     unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
>>     The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when
>>     we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our
>>     education system tends to create specialists, rather than those
>>     useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any
>>     subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and
>>     being a drain on the family finances.
>>     Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
>>     One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or
>>     politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are
>>     staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
>>     My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from
>>     there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that
>>     work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is
>>     filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to
>>     self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
>>     Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we
>>     build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw
>>     up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
>>     On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are
>>     actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform,
>>     because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid
>>     stooges, working for a service.
>>     In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test,
>>     out of common stuff, and try it out.
>>     Hot glue is waterproof.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to
>>         drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is
>>         why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out
>>         what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or
>>         slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU
>>         using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system
>>         you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep
>>         things going or a little less than that .being it's still not
>>         OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add
>>         the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for
>>         shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can
>>         generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there
>>         systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go
>>         down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water
>>         with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off
>>         of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put
>>         into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you
>>         move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the
>>         gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason
>>         why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy
>>         source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it
>>         <http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just
>>         braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create
>>         energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it
>>         to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and
>>         start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like
>>         water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>>
>>         On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>              
>>             Thanks Bart.
>>             George
>>
>>
>>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart
>>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>              
>>             George,
>>                             I have not disclosed as of yet how I make
>>             mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer
>>             them.
>>             You can how ever get similar results which take longer
>>             but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
>>             Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or
>>             less to increase the ph.
>>             Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph
>>             to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
>>             Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them
>>             in. Works great.......
>>
>>             https://hannainst.com/hi190m-
>>             1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
>>             <https://hannainst.com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>>             Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna
>>             Instruments
>>             <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>>             hannainst.com <http://hannainst.com>
>>             Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with
>>             plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small
>>             footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             *From:* [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>>             [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
>>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>              
>>              
>>             Bart,
>>
>>             I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how
>>             to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this
>>             water?
>>
>>             George
>>
>>
>>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart
>>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss
>>             directions here but did , coming from a frustrated
>>             exercised  value mostly.
>>
>>             This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed
>>             signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind
>>             boxed him in then disregarded him.
>>
>>             Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the
>>             same values, tho they may be similar.
>>
>>             The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size
>>             with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing
>>             as having a zero carcinogen value.
>>
>>             I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it
>>             helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not
>>             clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be
>>             made only by private means.
>>
>>             Individual results have come in and are coming in on a
>>             steady basis with positive results on all counts on
>>             physical health and mental,
>>
>>             Here is what I believe that may be happening combined
>>             with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in
>>             this chat. 
>>
>>             Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a
>>             catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is
>>             not engaged with our *Vagus Nerve*
>>             <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>>
>>             A quick link
>>
>>             https://www.learning-mind.com/
>>             scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/
>>             <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>>
>>
>>             So the highly charged water is now delivered through out
>>             the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes
>>             aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering
>>
>>             any value you wish to any area you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>             http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
>>             brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/
>>             <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>>
>>
>>             While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to
>>             occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.
>>
>>             Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not
>>             express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in
>>             and express it by means of anger through frustration.
>>
>>
>>             When they drink the water they no longer express them
>>             selves through anger and seem more communicative.
>>
>>             I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water
>>             could assist or even cure the problem for some.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             *From:* [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>>             [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
>>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>              
>>              
>>             Bart,
>>
>>             Tell me about your water that would help the children
>>             with autism.
>>
>>             George
>>
>>             On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart
>>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Mick Kone
>>
>>                                  Kone as usual your advice and words
>>             do not go unheard. Thank you.
>>
>>             Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the
>>             yesterday day becomes the old way .
>>
>>             As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>>
>>             Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits
>>             and own the convenience store as well as the shopping
>>             mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.
>>
>>             Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as
>>             individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America
>>             more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from
>>             Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.
>>
>>             Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>>
>>             As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and
>>             befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.  
>>             But there  , its the way of life.
>>
>>             Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same
>>             exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of 
>>             order, tho it is at least that I suppose.
>>
>>              But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have
>>             even mentioned it.
>>
>>             The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went
>>             the weekend before last to visit our daughter.
>>
>>             We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on
>>             our doorstep from the University lol
>>
>>             he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along .
>>             We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was
>>             working at.
>>
>>             A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do
>>             think my water would help the children but daughter said
>>             its not certified , So no we could not.
>>
>>             Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some
>>             studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.
>>
>>             While there we went to Banff
>>
>>             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta
>>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>
>>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>             	
>>             Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia
>>             <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>             en.wikipedia.org <http://en.wikipedia.org>
>>             Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta,
>>             Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the
>>             Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west
>>             of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an
>>             elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft),
>>             Banff is the community with the second highest elevation
>>             in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>>
>>             We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son
>>             from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and
>>             the eagles fly!
>>
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             *From:* [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mick
>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             *Sent:* November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
>>             *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic
>>             Battery
>>              
>>              
>>
>>             Kone,
>>
>>             Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon,
>>             that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting
>>             for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they
>>             can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay
>>             the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with
>>             big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a
>>             grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are
>>             growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing
>>             close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and
>>             everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here
>>             was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining
>>             about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and
>>             other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the
>>             weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few
>>             months back there was a release of the PERS retirement
>>             data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making
>>             more than they ever did working sometimes double and high
>>             six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property
>>             tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are
>>             claiming we are 22 billion in the red. 
>>
>>             Check out this shit:
>>
>>             https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/
>>             <https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>
>>
>>             <https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>
>>
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>>             <mailto:[email protected]>>
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Bart,

Rick said Johns brother knew nothing about electronics not John.  I
spoke to Rick for a couple hours a few months back, some of what he told
me was intriguing about his and Johns falling out.  Rick said he came up
with the idea of the large multicore kits and John agreed but left Rick
mostly on his own to build them.  Everything was hunky dory until Rick
built the boat with the electric motor and Bedini charging system, this
according to Rick of course.  He said John had said to him in passing
prior be careful don't build anything too big but just in passing never
with any sort of urgency.

Rick built a boat and was giving people rides and he said it is after
that point John became unfriendly to him and while before he was treated
with respect and golden afterwards he was the brunt of Johns many jokes
and insults.  He said had he understood the building something bigger
was really a serious warning not to he would not have but he always took
it as the sort of running line like the boogieman will come.  He said
the point of him breaching any rule or guideline was never discussed
afterwards only the daily surliness of John to him was apparent.  Rick
said this was his best guess of the transgression but he could only
interpret by time and action, not a direct reprimand.

So this is the story from Rick who seemed to me sincere and much kinder
a person than the few times I spoke to John on the phone back in the
80's after I told him I was a recording engineer he became ultra short
and snitty.
Not claiming John was lacking as a great teacher and resource or in any
way clouding his memory just reporting the facts as best I am aware.  As
one can imagine after a long chat there were many other facets but
perhaps another time.

Mick

On 11/19/2018 7:26 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hello Warren
>
> Sure do! It has been having myself reflect on things over the years.
> Whats it been ten now I think?
>
> I kept John busy while you were up stairs going through builds with
> Rick! lol
>
> John and I must have smoked a pack a day . Once Tom Beardon called,
> John put him on speaker , all I said was hi! lol
>
> It was when John was coming out with his ten coiler and was nervous
> about his security, I offered he, Gary and Tom to sell them in Canada.
>
> Tom thought it was a good idea.
>
> But Rick put the brakes on it. I think Rick said he has his parents in
> Mississauga or some wheres . Rick recently released a video stating
> John new nothing about
>
> electronics. I will try to find it if you have not seen it. I did buy
> Ricks run charge circuit and modified it with some coil bangers. I
> managed to get 850 volts and 40 - 8o amps.
>
> Out of a 12 volt lead acid. Then my shop got broken into. The older
> retired electronics engineer Keith had helped me with it.
>
> I asked John about Ron Cole I think was the name of the fellow whom
> had a battery run cold and at 17.5 volts or some thing.
>
> From an old large wheel build like a hit and miss design. John said he
> and Ron sketched out some circuits on napkins and they got posted on line.
>
> Then Ron disappeared from a meet and greet showing of builds one
> weekend. When Ron returned from where ever ,he said Ron never spoke to
> him again.
>
> If you recall John said the magna coaster box was nothing more than a
> ferro inverter. You have it on vid I think.
>
> I remember asking John , what do you suggest I build in order to
> secure independence? His answer was , a giant mono-pole with a cam out
> the side of a building.
>
>  Warren we both agreed on acquiring at least one thing while out
> seeing him. We agreed on the Kromrey.   I remember John saying use the
> same magnets as the monopole
>
> You had said you are going to use permanent and think John said you
> might have a problem with switching! I do not recall how efficient
> Johns unit ran at 40watt ou? Or maybe more?  May I suggest building
> another with the weaker mags. i would like to purchase his if
> possible. He said he had it given to him from a widower in Germany
> again I think?
>
> Warren Johns gone now , with respect I speak this. You however have
> currently a good group here with some veteran like talents.  Norm,
> H,Ole, Kone and so on.
>
> Please focus on a working devise and commit to it long enough for
> results. As this to shall pass! I see this forum as a social group
> more than anything else.
>
> Rather than just collecting the regular wall of shame, get some thing
> working.
>
> I am not playing the insult please. I can not stay focused myself with
> as much commitment here as others,,, so whom am I to say.
>
> But the time I sense is here and now!
>
>
> Bart 
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* November 18, 2018 10:03 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>  
>  
>
> Hey Bart
>
> Remember Bedini's shop?
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>     On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 1:38 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     James
>
>                    On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to
>     60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>
>     There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the
>     embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled
>     thermal value.
>
>     hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds
>     have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster
>     than fossil.
>
>     Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the
>     element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.
>
>     My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may
>     be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to
>     just breath in the exhaust.
>
>     You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.
>
>     Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing
>     rotary.  I will post a vid.
>
>
>     Bart
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf
>     of Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]>
>     *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
>     *To:* [email protected]
>     *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>      
>      
>
>     James
>
>     As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is
>     even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with
>     atmospheric change, or elevation.. 
>     Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons,
>     and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science,
>     so recently taken for granted.
>     Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the
>     various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
>     A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you
>     over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an
>     elevator, or crane.
>     When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little
>     cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how
>     trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries,
>     which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or
>     not, depending on the observer's interests.
>     The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when
>     we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our
>     education system tends to create specialists, rather than those
>     useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any
>     subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and
>     being a drain on the family finances.
>     Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
>     One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or
>     politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are
>     staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
>     My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from
>     there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work,
>     realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a
>     little by every editor, or each of us, according to self
>     awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
>     Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we
>     build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up,
>     and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
>     On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are
>     actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform,
>     because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid
>     stooges, working for a service.
>     In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out
>     of common stuff, and try it out.
>     Hot glue is waterproof.
>     Cheers Warren
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>
>         On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski
>         [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected]> wrote:
>          
>
>         On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to
>         drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is
>         why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out
>         what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or
>         slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using
>         a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get
>         your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going
>         or a little less than that .being it's still not OU .but near
>         the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive
>         power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for
>         the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas
>         under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi
>         some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to
>         30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of
>         HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises.
>         That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper
>         you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator
>         .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's
>         got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting
>         tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the
>         worst efficiency's.it <http://s.it>'s over the top...most are
>         happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find
>         ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job
>         by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be
>         there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items
>         .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>
>         On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray
>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>         [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>              
>             Thanks Bart.
>             George
>
>
>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>             George,
>                             I have not disclosed as of yet how I make
>             mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
>             You can how ever get similar results which take longer but
>             does work using a magnetic stirrer.
>             Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or
>             less to increase the ph.
>             Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph
>             to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
>             Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in.
>             Works great......
>
>             https://hannainst.com/hi190m- 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
>             <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>             Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna
>             Instruments
>             <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>             hannainst.com <http://hannainst.com>
>             Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with
>             plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power, small
>             footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>             [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>             Bart,
>
>             I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how
>             to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this
>             water?
>
>             George
>
>
>             On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>
>             Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss
>             directions here but did , coming from a frustrated
>             exercised  value mostly.
>
>             This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs
>             of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him
>             in then disregarded him.
>
>             Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the
>             same values, tho they may be similar.
>
>             The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size
>             with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing
>             as having a zero carcinogen value.
>
>             I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it
>             helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not
>             clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be
>             made only by private means.
>
>             Individual results have come in and are coming in on a
>             steady basis with positive results on all counts on
>             physical health and mental,
>
>             Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with
>             digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this
>             chat. 
>
>             Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a
>             catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not
>             engaged with our *Vagus Nerve*
>             <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>
>             A quick link
>
>             https://www.learning-mind.com/
>             scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/
>             <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>
>
>             So the highly charged water is now delivered through out
>             the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes
>             aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering
>
>             any value you wish to any area you wish.
>
>
>
>             http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
>             brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/
>             <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>
>
>             While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to
>             occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.
>
>             Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express
>             them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and
>             express it by means of anger through frustration.
>
>
>             When they drink the water they no longer express them
>             selves through anger and seem more communicative.
>
>             I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water
>             could assist or even cure the problem for some.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george gray
>             [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
>             *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>             Bart,
>
>             Tell me about your water that would help the children with
>             autism.
>
>             George
>
>             On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart
>             woodard [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>              
>
>             Mick Kone
>
>                                  Kone as usual your advice and words
>             do not go unheard. Thank you.
>
>             Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the
>             yesterday day becomes the old way .
>
>             As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>
>             Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits
>             and own the convenience store as well as the shopping
>             mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.
>
>             Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as
>             individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America
>             more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from
>             Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.
>
>             Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>
>             As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and
>             befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.  
>             But there  , its the way of life.
>
>             Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same
>             exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of 
>             order, tho it is at least that I suppose.
>
>              But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have
>             even mentioned it.
>
>             The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went
>             the weekend before last to visit our daughter.
>
>             We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on
>             our doorstep from the University lol
>
>             he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along .
>             We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was
>             working at.
>
>             A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do
>             think my water would help the children but daughter said
>             its not certified , So no we could not.
>
>             Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some
>             studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.
>
>             While there we went to Banff
>
>             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta
>             <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>
>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>             	
>             Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia
>             <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>             en.wikipedia.org <http://en.wikipedia.org>
>             Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta,
>             Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the
>             Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of
>             Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an
>             elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft),
>             Banff is the community with the second highest elevation
>             in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>
>             We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son
>             from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and
>             the eagles fly!
>
>
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>             *From:* [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mick
>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>             *Sent:* November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
>             *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>              
>              
>
>             Kone,
>
>             Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon,
>             that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for
>             big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't
>             use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the
>             taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big
>             dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow
>             operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing
>             now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a
>             million a year, now prices have dropped and everything
>             taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was
>             supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about
>             shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other
>             bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed
>             money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months
>             back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for
>             govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than
>             they ever did working sometimes double and high six
>             figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax
>             each year to pay these retirements of which they are
>             claiming we are 22 billion in the red. 
>
>             Check out this shit:
>
>             https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/
>             <https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>
>
>             <https://gov.oregonlive..com/pers/>
>             	
>             Oregon Public Employees Retirement System :: Your ...
>             <https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>
>             gov.oregonlive.com <http://gov.oregonlive..com>
>             Here are the 129,544 people with pension benefits from the
>             Oregon Public Employees Retirement System as of Jan. 1, 2018.
>
>
>             On 11/11/2018 11:21 PM, [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>              
>>
>>             Hi Bart
>>
>>             Thanks for all your posts and contributions here!!
>>
>>             Worst thing to look out for in grow operations is gangs
>>             (russian bikers mexicans chinese vietnamese etc etc etc)
>>             finding where is grow operation then breaking in and
>>             stealing everything as soon as.its ready for market. What
>>             are you going to do shoot everyone? Cops can be put in
>>             caatevory of gangs too, they are corrupt everywhere in
>>             world, carry guns, look out for only themselves get away
>>             with.murder all the time.
>>             Let those guys with small army private army do the
>>             growing you could provide technical expertise...look into
>>             putting neodymium magnet under roots of plants.. pot
>>             itself not so bad but what they will dip the shitty
>>             leftover in is what is fucked up formaldahyde (aka dank)
>>             , meth, heroin, opium, speed, evev viagra wbo knows what
>>             is in the shit...legal is good since you know what it is
>>             at least but those already established illegal pot
>>             growers are pissed when it goes legal and will break in
>>             and steal no problem if site becomes known...in your town
>>             I think is biker gangs controlling weed market...biker
>>             gangs and cops sometimes symbiotic
>>             Kone
>>
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Hello Warren

Sure do! It has been having myself reflect on things over the years. Whats it been ten now I think?

I kept John busy while you were up stairs going through builds with Rick! lol

John and I must have smoked a pack a day . Once Tom Beardon called, John put him on speaker , all I said was hi! lol

It was when John was coming out with his ten coiler and was nervous about his security, I offered he, Gary and Tom to sell them in Canada.

Tom thought it was a good idea.

But Rick put the brakes on it. I think Rick said he has his parents in Mississauga or some wheres . Rick recently released a video stating John new nothing about

electronics. I will try to find it if you have not seen it. I did buy Ricks run charge circuit and modified it with some coil bangers. I managed to get 850 volts and 40 - 8o amps.

Out of a 12 volt lead acid. Then my shop got broken into. The older retired electronics engineer Keith had helped me with it.

I asked John about Ron Cole I think was the name of the fellow whom had a battery run cold and at 17.5 volts or some thing.

This guy starts off like a sleeper but does pick up on the alchemist part.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP3kXHaRm3E

[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Zv9cr64r8jJDs-ZCDBM04gEsDh&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP3kXHaRm3E>

Nikola Tesla's Back to the Future 2015 Atomic Car Battery Flux Capacitor Electric Reluctance Motor<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP3kXHaRm3E>
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Nikola Tesla's Pierce Arrow Electric Car Battery (Cosmic Ray Motor) http://nikolateslasolar.blogspot.com Is Nikola Tesla is John Galt from the 1956 book Atlas ...




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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 18, 2018 11:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart

It would be so cool to find sitting in one of those closed up warehouses in Buffalo, Tesla's car, wouldn't it?
I thought of writing a novel about the car, in Buffalo, complete with gangsters, and German spies, typical investors, killing each other, while Tesla fed his pigeons, and the car just remains, still sitting in the abandoned warehouse, bricked up, to this day, a sorry, sad tale of genius,greed and power, in a historical context, with a feature of free energy thrown in.
Cheers Warren

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On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 8:52 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


I could be wrongly recalling
but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with the wife lol



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2018-11-18 8:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel....

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Sent: November 18, 2018 3:43 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great........

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Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

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We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

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           Yes it was , but again it was not I whom had gotten in touch with he.

As you may know , injection is the issue with the back yarders regarding hho.

Which is why he at the time felt compelled to ask.

I find a lot of my posts do not make it , and some do not even show history in the sent or draft files etc lol

What ever , i will continue on.

This old lab top has crashed way to many times so who knows.

Maybe its developing its own ai


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Bart,

There is so much suppression and innuendo who knows is right.  Some other such tales about Tesla name from a religious event through his father rather than the normal family sir name which may have been Terbo.  One of the Terbo Tesla relatives I think it was his nephew maybe, who was alleged to have invented the hypoid gear.  Actual car passenger could be a less known cousin from his Mom's side or brothers along with serious threats to the more well known family members or else all smoke.  The truth vanishes quick if results are occluded and all first person witnesses are departed.

Pretty cool you were ale to get hold of Bob Boyce, he is a great experimenter discoverer.  I would love to be able to speak with him someday, unfortunately I don't think his health is the best.

https://www.telegraf.rs/english/1503794-the-bloodline-dies-with-me-says-william-terbo-proudly-claiming-he-is-the-only-living-relative-of-nikola-teslas-video

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On 11/18/2018 6:11 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Mick

           Some links talk about how it is a false report.? hmmm  dunno

I do remember reading much of the info on this video.  Also remembering the similarity of application between this and the Moray device

as it was also suppose to be from Tesla resembling the same description of construction.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIv_x7q9jk8

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I could be wrongly recalling
but in an article on when Tesla was taking his nephew for a ride.
He sent ahead plans and build discription for a modified build to Buffalo I think. I will try to look for it when I return home as I am shopping with the wife lol



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Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

How did you find data on Tesla using an aluminum rod for his car, this is interesting?


On 11/18/2018 3:07 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


 James,

                A drawing with some values in general of some type would be helpful in description of your idea,s.

I have spent a great deal of time , monies , and a large effort in acquiring the now knowledge as I am sure it will also be modified again or

morphed into some anew. I investigated all parties by means of traveling to their past lives, family members, their shops, their past  work places with coworkers etc.

What really happened to them yada yada yada yada. Was even offered Stans buggy at one time.

For the most part I conceive all value as utterly nonsense. Meyers,Puharich,Anderson etc. Unless you can split the molecule then reunite it in the cylinder with perfect timing (such as Stans spark plug) then it is invalid.   Between the high voltage, spark plug and high volume displacement it is conceivable. The only other way with any practicality is volume displacement. Create enough to keep a scheduled demand for an estimated payload .

Still in the obvious, the output must exceed the input in relationship with Fleishman and Pons.

I have heard many claims , here is one , I talked with a gentleman once whom claimed to loop a 2 stroke mcculloch chain saw motor and that it ran for weeks lighting a 60watt light bulb, I did not however get to witness it, so not valid.

Once again there was a group in my shop when I was running a cell up to 150lbs . A party had gotten on my lab top and skyped Bob Boyce .

They came out to me while running the generator and asked "Bob wants to know how you are injecting it"?  Then he invited us to his shop some wheres in Florida I think.


Well truth is I was not injecting it , and they could see this! I was just setting the fuel line as close to the intake valve as possible, securing it, then regulating the fuel...

So obviously the real question was how are you getting this pressure?

At the time I was only getting 20 to 35 minutes on a 5k generator at best with no load. As for timing I was using a msd hall effect device.

There is never anything for nothing, even Tesla used a aluminum rod of some kind running his car down the highway.

I have no quick answers for you James . Only to say batteries are getting better , circuits are getting more efficient and better managed , for now solar and wind are getting cheaper.




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Bart

 I guess the point is there's much debate about OU and much effort in the creation of OU many have gone down a dead end .here's a way to compound efficiencies by compounding the different properties .most go with just one way or die .here the buoyancy makes the hho electronics free .and puts it even further in to OU . as a concept of using two or more properties of two or more types of energy creation we might finely put it over for everyone .not just the well funded but the poorly funded .hho running a four stroke is  good way to get there .it just the using of properties that might just go wasted this combo replaces the compressor in the buoyancy scheme changing the parameters of that device .and by doing that you change the efficiency of the hho device .now both should be OU . looking for OU by combining concepts might generate new pathways that are not dead ends .for some who know nothing but dead ends ..I'm of coming at now finishing my hho set up .its been in storage for several years I ran in to a problem with connecting the 316 SS wires to the tubes with out welding and I didn't seem to have options here were I live .and its just to tall I might cut it in half and make two shorter ones .which complicates and increases cost .I don't care at this time to join it to a generator I'm going with a bicycle motor about 49 cc a four stroke it's cheap and I can work out the bugs easier then go with a larger gen motor .having to cut a new key way at 2 deg past tdc is the problem here in the boonies .and once done it's still would be useable as a motor with a Muller type gen. .and I can find out just how little hho it  takes to run it .thats  about a 1/2 to 3/4 horse .in would like to see just how small I can get with it .running 24/7 at 3/4 horse would handle just about everything here .and be very portable for other issues. I'm just  looking for multiple path ways to the same goal of sustainability out here in the boonies.  3 would be nice.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


James

               On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30 to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.

There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the recycled thermal value.

hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9 times faster than fossil.

Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the element count on the molecule. In another words increase the chain.

My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not want to just breath in the exhaust.

You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles desired.

Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing rotary.  I will post a vid.

Bart
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Sent: November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



James

As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit with atmospheric change, or elevation.
Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of marine science, so recently taken for granted.
Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface, if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as easy as an elevator, or crane.
When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's interests.
The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity, when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy, yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather than those useless kids who just take one course, after another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion, or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions that work, realizing that every bit of information you receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us, according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on to others.
Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally  misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
Hot glue is waterproof.
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
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On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a 30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer style system you get your energy back to run the electronics and keep things going or a little less than that .being it's still not OU ..but near the OU generally but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to 30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple leverage out of one energy source .even with using the worst efficiency's.it<http://s.it>'s over the top...most are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we can find ways to create energy that has more then just one use or job by getting it to do two or three things man oh man  we will be there and start working on transcoding it in to use full items .like water fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Thanks Bart.
George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



George,
                I have not disclosed as of yet how I make mine as it still seems to be an interest to manufacturer them.
You can how ever get similar results which take longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour or less to increase the ph.
Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw them in. Works great.......

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Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery


Bart,

I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to make this water?

George


On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss directions here but did , coming from a frustrated exercised  value mostly.

This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.

Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have the same values, tho they may be similar.

The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.

I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it helps with many issues,  the wife however says its not clinically proven so really no reports or claims may be made only by private means.

Individual results have come in and are coming in on a steady basis with positive results on all counts on physical health and mental,

Here is what I believe that may be happening combined with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism in this chat.

Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence is not engaged with our Vagus Nerve<https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>

A quick link

https://www.learning-mind.com/ scientists-discovered-second- brain-in-the-human-body/<https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>


So the highly charged water is now delivered through out the body via hydration substrate. The blood becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge delivering

any value you wish to any area you wish.



http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring- brainwaves-could-lead-to-an- objective-autism-diagnosis/<http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>


While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages , muscles etc.

Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with in and express it by means of anger through frustration.


When they drink the water they no longer express them selves through anger and seem more communicative.

I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the water could assist or even cure the problem for some.






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To: bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery


Bart,

Tell me about your water that would help the children with autism.

George

On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:




Mick Kone

                     Kone as usual your advice and words do not go unheard. Thank you.

Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now the yesterday day becomes the old way .

As well,  the rules change on a constant.

Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear suits and own the convenience store as well as the shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school teacher and so on.

Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit from Americas mistakes and create a new path economically.

Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.

As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its best.   But there  , its the way of life.

Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.

 But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not have even mentioned it.

The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.

We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed up on our doorstep from the University lol

he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came along . We managed to get them  employment where my daughter was working at.

A facility for full time stay for autism children. I do think my water would help the children but daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.

Frustrating, especially since it does show help on some studies. But the wife says its not clinically proven.

While there we went to Banff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>

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Banff is a town within Banff National Park in Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.


We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our son from India says yup  we are up where the goats screw and the eagles fly!

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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Kone,

Strangely enough this has not happened here in Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I know some grower folks who were doing close to a million a year, now prices have dropped and everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money here was supposed to go to the cops but they are complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto going to schools the weed money is being stolen by the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a release of the PERS retirement data for govn workers.  Many of these people are making more than they ever did working sometimes double and high six figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property tax each year to pay these retirements of which they are claiming we are 22 billion in the red.

Check out this shit:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/<https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>

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Warren,

No it was not you guys.  Let's just say the oppressors are experts at
getting people to compromise themselves then using it against them and
keeping them on a leash.  Even a person who is totally on the up and up
with all dealings and does not smoke and not eat lot's of animal
products has a difficult time staying sane.  Mental health professionals
would likely make it worse as they are trained to use drugs rather than
nutrition and exercise so it creates a sowball effect.

Nuff said

On 11/19/2018 4:45 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
>
> Rick was quite sincere, and had to work around John's self defeating
> sense of paranoia. John certainly suffered occasional bouts of mental
> illness, when Bart, and I visited with him for about four days.
> He would be his solid self, logical, and down to earth, then take
> flight as if green aliens were after him, in conversation.
> I sure hope it was not me sending him to those dark places, by Bart,
> and I, visiting. John's brother would keep John out of the mental
> bushes, I think.
> Rick is a very sensitive sort who was good for John, but John would
> have issues.
> Health care in the US is not cheap, if you are self employed, plus
> there are stigmas attached to mental health problems, so it seems the
> general level of care is poor, in small communities like John lived in.
> On top of that, there might have been bad experiences, John may have
> had with bad people, I once read.
> John had a profound knowledge of electronics, and semi conductors
> right from the basic ingredients, to designing circuits, and a great
> mind, working well beyond the box.
> We had a cordial and candid visit, and got along on many levels
> including his '32 Ford coup.
> I supported Rick with the boat project, as it was an area I have been
> interested in.
> I helped Rick some time before, with doing an energy show, in Upper
> State NY featuring John Bedini's work, and teaching folks how to wire
> muffin fans as  motor generators.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 at 3:36 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Bart,
>
>     Rick said Johns brother knew nothing about electronics not John. 
>     I spoke to Rick for a couple hours a few months back, some of what
>     he told me was intriguing about his and Johns falling out.  Rick
>     said he came up with the idea of the large multicore kits and John
>     agreed but left Rick mostly on his own to build them.  Everything
>     was hunky dory until Rick built the boat with the electric motor
>     and Bedini charging system, this according to Rick of course.  He
>     said John had said to him in passing prior be careful don't build
>     anything too big but just in passing never with any sort of urgency.
>
>     Rick built a boat and was giving people rides and he said it is
>     after that point John became unfriendly to him and while before he
>     was treated with respect and golden afterwards he was the brunt of
>     Johns many jokes and insults.  He said had he understood the
>     building something bigger was really a serious warning not to he
>     would not have but he always took it as the sort of running line
>     like the boogieman will come.  He said the point of him breaching
>     any rule or guideline was never discussed afterwards only the
>     daily surliness of John to him was apparent.  Rick said this was
>     his best guess of the transgression but he could only interpret by
>     time and action, not a direct reprimand.
>
>     So this is the story from Rick who seemed to me sincere and much
>     kinder a person than the few times I spoke to John on the phone
>     back in the 80's after I told him I was a recording engineer he
>     became ultra short and snitty.
>     Not claiming John was lacking as a great teacher and resource or
>     in any way clouding his memory just reporting the facts as best I
>     am aware.  As one can imagine after a long chat there were many
>     other facets but perhaps another time.
>
>     Mick
>
>     On 11/19/2018 7:26 AM, bart woodard [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hello Warren
>>
>>     Sure do! It has been having myself reflect on things over the
>>     years. Whats it been ten now I think?
>>
>>     I kept John busy while you were up stairs going through builds
>>     with Rick! lol
>>
>>     John and I must have smoked a pack a day . Once Tom Beardon
>>     called, John put him on speaker , all I said was hi! lol
>>
>>     It was when John was coming out with his ten coiler and was
>>     nervous about his security, I offered he, Gary and Tom to sell
>>     them in Canada.
>>
>>     Tom thought it was a good idea.
>>
>>     But Rick put the brakes on it. I think Rick said he has his
>>     parents in Mississauga or some wheres . Rick recently released a
>>     video stating John new nothing about
>>
>>     electronics. I will try to find it if you have not seen it. I did
>>     buy Ricks run charge circuit and modified it with some coil
>>     bangers. I managed to get 850 volts and 40 - 8o amps.
>>
>>     Out of a 12 volt lead acid. Then my shop got broken into. The
>>     older retired electronics engineer Keith had helped me with it.
>>
>>     I asked John about Ron Cole I think was the name of the fellow
>>     whom had a battery run cold and at 17.5 volts or some thing.
>>
>>     From an old large wheel build like a hit and miss design. John
>>     said he and Ron sketched out some circuits on napkins and they
>>     got posted on line.
>>
>>     Then Ron disappeared from a meet and greet showing of builds one
>>     weekend. When Ron returned from where ever ,he said Ron never
>>     spoke to him again.
>>
>>     If you recall John said the magna coaster box was nothing more
>>     than a ferro inverter. You have it on vid I think.
>>
>>     I remember asking John , what do you suggest I build in order to
>>     secure independence? His answer was , a giant mono-pole with a
>>     cam out the side of a building.
>>
>>      Warren we both agreed on acquiring at least one thing while out
>>     seeing him. We agreed on the Kromrey.   I remember John saying
>>     use the same magnets as the monopole
>>
>>     You had said you are going to use permanent and think John said
>>     you might have a problem with switching! I do not recall how
>>     efficient Johns unit ran at 40watt ou? Or maybe more?  May I
>>     suggest building another with the weaker mags. i would like to
>>     purchase his if possible. He said he had it given to him from a
>>     widower in Germany again I think?
>>
>>     Warren Johns gone now , with respect I speak this. You however
>>     have currently a good group here with some veteran like talents. 
>>     Norm, H,Ole, Kone and so on.
>>
>>     Please focus on a working devise and commit to it long enough for
>>     results. As this to shall pass! I see this forum as a social
>>     group more than anything else.
>>
>>     Rather than just collecting the regular wall of shame, get some
>>     thing working.
>>
>>     I am not playing the insult please. I can not stay focused myself
>>     with as much commitment here as others,,, so whom am I to say.
>>
>>     But the time I sense is here and now!
>>
>>
>>     Bart 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on
>>     behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     *Sent:* November 18, 2018 10:03 PM
>>     *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>      
>>      
>>
>>     Hey Bart
>>
>>     Remember Bedini's shop?
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
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>>
>>         On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 1:38 PM, bart woodard
>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         James
>>
>>                        On the recycling of exhaust event. On your 30
>>         to 60% value with an end result of 100% plus or minus.
>>
>>         There would be a gain should some one look at increasing the
>>         embodiment factor on the molecule chain along with the
>>         recycled thermal value.
>>
>>         hho or hhoi  or what ever have you, currently only standard
>>         builds have a short slap on the work effort value @ approx 9
>>         times faster than fossil.
>>
>>         Look at increasing the work time schedule by increasing the
>>         element count on the molecule. In another words increase the
>>         chain.
>>
>>         My 5 gas analyzer has been borrowed by the thieves otherwise
>>         I may be able to say with more definition' .As you would not
>>         want to just breath in the exhaust.
>>
>>         You can always modify the exhaust for the exhaust particles
>>         desired.
>>
>>         Currently I need a controller to test the latest. Now testing
>>         rotary.  I will post a vid..
>>
>>
>>         Bart
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         *From:* [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>         *Sent:* November 18, 2018 4:01 AM
>>         *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>         *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>          
>>          
>>
>>         James
>>
>>         As a diver, one atmosphere is 15lbs(wroughly) or 30 ft, which
>>         is even less pressure, and can raise, or drop, a tiny bit
>>         with atmospheric change, or elevation.. 
>>         Little bubbles can raise a sunken ship, weighing hundreds of
>>         tons, and locks and displacement were ancient marvels of
>>         marine science, so recently taken for granted.
>>         Spend time musing in the aquarium section of a pet store at
>>         the various bubble driven underwater toys in fish tanks.
>>         A divers buoyancy compansator can shoot you to the surface,
>>         if you over inflate it, or air bags lift sunken cannon as
>>         easy as an elevator, or crane.
>>         When you change practical disciplines, you keep finding
>>         little cracks in the engineering envelope of science. It is
>>         amazing how trades keep to themselves, their quirky little
>>         secret discoveries, which viewed in a brighter light, might
>>         just be over unity, or not, depending on the observer's
>>         interests.
>>         The fact is, we are surrounded by the "magic" of over unity,
>>         when we combine physics, chemistry, biology, and philosophy,
>>         yet our education system tends to create specialists, rather
>>         than those useless kids who just take one course, after
>>         another, in any subject that interests them, never seeming to
>>         get a real job, and being a drain on the family finances.
>>         Engineers, are specialists vectored to solve specific problems.
>>         One can never take for granted how weird shit like religion,
>>         or politics does not come into to the reality filters, when
>>         you are staring straight at over unity, there, in front of you.
>>         My advice is to bench test stuff yourself, if you can, and
>>         from there build your own personal encyclopedia of solutions
>>         that work, realizing that every bit of information you
>>         receive is filtered a little by every editor, or each of us,
>>         according to self awareness, and biases, and then passed on
>>         to others.
>>         Nobody has the time to bench test everything themselves, so
>>         we build a network of reliable sources, and hope they don't
>>         screw up, and fall to pieces, in a media overloaded era.
>>         On top of all of this is the paranoia laced notion that there
>>         are actually are jerks out there, trying to intentionally 
>>         misinform, because they are on some crazed agenda, or
>>         somebody's paid stooges, working for a service.
>>         In short, your idea has merit, so devise a simple little
>>         test, out of common stuff, and try it out.
>>         Hot glue is waterproof.
>>         Cheers Warren
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>>
>>             On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 2:07 PM, James Glinski
>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>             wrote:
>>              
>>
>>             On the water topic I'm thinking this idea of using hho to
>>             drive a buoyancy generator is a path to over unity .here
>>             is why .say you got a bolancy generator that you only get
>>             out what you put in it ..say 100 watt in and a 100 Watts
>>             out or slightly less it's not OU but some have claimed a
>>             30% OU using a air compressor .with using a HHO Meyer
>>             style system you get your energy back to run the
>>             electronics and keep things going or a little less than
>>             that .being it's still not OU .but near the OU generally
>>             but not there yet ..now add the explosive power of the
>>             HHO to the mix .that's  OU for shure two uses for the gas
>>             .and no compressor needed .it can generate the gas under
>>             pressure .some guys have run there systems at 30 psi some
>>             at 60 psi .that means at 30 you can go down around 29 to
>>             30 ft of water and raise  a column of water with  a
>>             bubble of HHO and it will expand as the psi comes off of
>>             it as it rises. That just extra .more than what you put
>>             into it .the deeper you go the more you raise the more
>>             you move Thu your generator .then run a 4 stroke
>>             generator on the gas .win win win .it's got to work .I
>>             don't see any reason why not !.your getting tripple
>>             leverage out of one energy source .even with using the
>>             worst efficiency's.it <http://s.it>'s over the top...most
>>             are happy with just braking even this is much more .if we
>>             can find ways to create energy that has more then just
>>             one use or job by getting it to do two or three things
>>             man oh man  we will be there and start working on
>>             transcoding it in to use full items .like water
>>             fertilizer,. Heat..ect.and get off this hunt .
>>
>>             On Thursday, November 15, 2018, george gray
>>             [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>             <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                  
>>                 Thanks Bart.
>>                 George
>>
>>
>>                 On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 2:52:20 pm AEDT, bart
>>                 woodard [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                  
>>                 George,
>>                                 I have not disclosed as of yet how I
>>                 make mine as it still seems to be an interest to
>>                 manufacturer them.
>>                 You can how ever get similar results which take
>>                 longer but does work using a magnetic stirrer.
>>                 Use distilled water and run the distilled for an hour
>>                 or less to increase the ph.
>>                 Most distilled water comes 6.2 or so , try to get the
>>                 ph to spike then settle to 7.4 making it alkaline.
>>                 Crush up your vitamins or what have you and throw
>>                 them in. Works great......
>>
>>                 https://hannainst.com/hi190m-
>>                 1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html
>>                 <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>>
>>                 Mini Magnetic Stirrer (115V) - HI190M-1 - Hanna
>>                 Instruments
>>                 <https://hannainst..com/hi190m-1-magnetic-mini-stirrer.html>
>>                 hannainst.com <http://hannainst.com>
>>                 Compact. Lightweight. This mini magnetic stirrer with
>>                 plastic cover can stir up to 1 liter. Big power,
>>                 small footprint. Perfect for any lab!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                 *From:* [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george
>>                 gray [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>                 *Sent:* November 13, 2018 10:20 PM
>>                 *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>                  
>>                  
>>                 Bart,
>>
>>                 I haven't looked up the links yet.  Will they show me
>>                 how to make this water?  Or can you tell me how to
>>                 make this water?
>>
>>                 George
>>
>>
>>                 On Wednesday, 14 November 2018, 7:10:14 am AEDT, bart
>>                 woodard [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Ok well I did not meaningly want to create any miss
>>                 directions here but did , coming from a frustrated
>>                 exercised  value mostly.
>>
>>                 This is primarily a Tesla group really. Tesla showed
>>                 signs of ocd , but really who can blame him as
>>                 mankind boxed him in then disregarded him.
>>
>>                 Not all symptoms and diseases are  related or have
>>                 the same values, tho they may be similar.
>>
>>                 The water I make is  4 to 8 times smaller molecular
>>                 size with little to no carcinogens , as there is no
>>                 such thing as having a zero carcinogen value.
>>
>>                 I make it from distilled. It is highly charged. So it
>>                 helps with many issues,  the wife however says its
>>                 not clinically proven so really no reports or claims
>>                 may be made only by private means.
>>
>>                 Individual results have come in and are coming in on
>>                 a steady basis with positive results on all counts on
>>                 physical health and mental,
>>
>>                 Here is what I believe that may be happening combined
>>                 with digestive value problems mostly regarding autism
>>                 in this chat. 
>>
>>                 Whether or not its due to a lack of enzymes acting as
>>                 a catalyst or whether or not the stomach intelligence
>>                 is not engaged with our *Vagus Nerve*
>>                 <https://www.lifeadvancer.com/vagus-nerve-migraines-inflammation-depression>
>>
>>                 A quick link
>>
>>                 https://www.learning-mind.com/
>>                 scientists-discovered-second-
>>                 brain-in-the-human-body/
>>                 <https://www.learning-mind.com/scientists-discovered-second-brain-in-the-human-body/>
>>
>>
>>                 So the highly charged water is now delivered through
>>                 out the body via hydration substrate. The blood
>>                 becomes aerobic with a strong supported charge
>>                 delivering
>>
>>                 any value you wish to any area you wish.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 http://www.lavidadolce.com/ nerd-alert-measuring-
>>                 brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-
>>                 objective-autism-diagnosis/
>>                 <http://www.lavidadolce.com/nerd-alert-measuring-brainwaves-could-lead-to-an-objective-autism-diagnosis/>
>>
>>
>>                 While the body detoxes , healing immediately starts
>>                 to occur. Whether it be migraines, blood passages ,
>>                 muscles etc.
>>
>>                 Autistic people seemed trapped with in and can not
>>                 express them selves. Some exercise intelligence with
>>                 in and express it by means of anger through frustration.
>>
>>
>>                 When they drink the water they no longer express them
>>                 selves through anger and seem more communicative.
>>
>>                 I feel with an exercise on a regular program , the
>>                 water could assist or even cure the problem for some.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                 *From:* [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of george
>>                 gray [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>                 *Sent:* November 13, 2018 9:04 AM
>>                 *To:* bart woodard [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery
>>                  
>>                  
>>                 Bart,
>>
>>                 Tell me about your water that would help the children
>>                 with autism.
>>
>>                 George
>>
>>                 On Tuesday, 13 November 2018, 9:29:47 am AEDT, bart
>>                 woodard [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Mick Kone
>>
>>                                      Kone as usual your advice and
>>                 words do not go unheard. Thank you.
>>
>>                 Yourself as well Mick. It seems as tho everyday now
>>                 the yesterday day becomes the old way .
>>
>>                 As well,  the rules change on a constant.
>>
>>                 Those parties you mentioned Kone , now mostly wear
>>                 suits and own the convenience store as well as the
>>                 shopping mall, your local politician, cop , school
>>                 teacher and so on.
>>
>>                 Ultimately the world now dictates our streets. Not we
>>                 as individuals so much. Canada is looked at as mini
>>                 America more globally now. Trying its best to benefit
>>                 from Americas mistakes and create a new path
>>                 economically.
>>
>>                 Such as growing dope, developing AI  etc.
>>
>>                 As I mentioned I went to India for six months  and
>>                 befriended some ministers, wow corruption at its
>>                 best.   But there  , its the way of life.
>>
>>                 Clearly we are not India , we are however doing the
>>                 same exercise, just different facades. Its mankind's
>>                 crap of  order, tho it is at least that I suppose.
>>
>>                  But I do hear your advice's. Perhaps I should not
>>                 have even mentioned it.
>>
>>                 The wife found some cheap tickets to Calgary so we
>>                 went the weekend before last to visit our daughter.
>>
>>                 We also took with our newly adopted son whom showed
>>                 up on our doorstep from the University lol
>>
>>                 he is Indian (India)  . His girlfriend also came
>>                 along . We managed to get them  employment where my
>>                 daughter was working at.
>>
>>                 A facility for full time stay for autism children. I
>>                 do think my water would help the children but
>>                 daughter said its not certified , So no we could not.
>>
>>                 Frustrating, especially since it does show help on
>>                 some studies. But the wife says its not clinically
>>                 proven.
>>
>>                 While there we went to Banff
>>
>>                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Banff,_Alberta
>>                 <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>
>>                 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>                 	
>>                 Banff, Alberta - Wikipedia
>>                 <https://en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Banff,_Alberta>
>>                 en.wikipedia.org <http://en.wikipedia.org>
>>                 Banff is a town within Banff National Park in
>>                 Alberta, Canada.It is located in Alberta's Rockies
>>                 along the Trans-Canada Highway, approximately 126 km
>>                 (78 mi) west of Calgary and 58 km (36 mi) east of
>>                 Lake Louise.At an elevation of 1,400 m (4,600 ft) to
>>                 1,630 m (5,350 ft), Banff is the community with the
>>                 second highest elevation in Alberta after Lake Louise.
>>
>>                 We went up on the Gondola and had lunch.  Vinay our
>>                 son from India says yup  we are up where the goats
>>                 screw and the eagles fly!
>>
>>
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>>                 *From:* [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>
>>                 <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mick
>>                 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>                 [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>                 *Sent:* November 12, 2018 10:49 AM
>>                 *To:* [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]>
>>                 *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic
>>                 Battery
>>                  
>>                  
>>
>>                 Kone,
>>
>>                 Strangely enough this has not happened here in
>>                 Oregon, that's the old days of growing I think.  I
>>                 was waiting for big gang shootouts too, never
>>                 happened.  Since they can't use banks they drive the
>>                 cash up to Salem to pay the taxes.  These dispensary
>>                 people are traveling with big dough, a lot easier to
>>                 hit than pulling semis into a grow operation.    It
>>                 takes trucks to move all they are growing now.  I
>>                 know some grower folks who were doing close to a
>>                 million a year, now prices have dropped and
>>                 everything taxed they are barely getting by.   Money
>>                 here was supposed to go to the cops but they are
>>                 complaining about shortfalls and writing bonds for
>>                 new jails and other bullshit.  Just like the lotto
>>                 going to schools the weed money is being stolen by
>>                 the govn mafia.  A few months back there was a
>>                 release of the PERS retirement data for govn
>>                 workers.  Many of these people are making more than
>>                 they ever did working sometimes double and high six
>>                 figures.  Meanwhile they keep raising the property
>>                 tax each year to pay these retirements of which they
>>                 are claiming we are 22 billion in the red. 
>>
>>                 Check out this shit:
>>
>>                 https://gov.oregonlive.com/ pers/
>>                 <https://gov...oregonlive.com/pers/>
>>
>>                 <https://gov.oregonlive..com/pers/>
>>                 	
>>                 Oregon Public Employees Retirement System :: Your ...
>>                 <https://gov.oregonlive.com/pers/>
>>                 gov.oregonlive.com <http://gov.oregonlive..com>
>>                 Here are the 129,544 people with pension benefits
>>                 from the Oregon Public Employees Retirement System as
>>                 of Jan. 1, 2018.
>>
>>
>>                 On 11/11/2018 11:21 PM, [email protected]
>>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Hi Bart
>>>
>>>                 Thanks for all your posts and contributions here!!
>>>
>>>                 Worst thing to look out for in grow operations is
>>>                 gangs (russian bikers mexicans chinese vietnamese
>>>                 etc etc etc) finding where is grow operation then
>>>                 breaking in and stealing everything as soon as.its
>>>                 ready for market. What are you going to do shoot
>>>                 everyone? Cops can be put in caatevory of gangs too,
>>>                 they are corrupt everywhere in world, carry guns,
>>>                 look out for only themselves get away with.murder
>>>                 all the time.
>>>                 Let those guys with small army private army do the
>>>                 growing you could provide technical expertise...look
>>>                 into putting neodymium magnet under roots of
>>>                 plants.. pot itself not so bad but what they will
>>>                 dip the shitty leftover in is what is fucked up
>>>                 formaldahyde (aka dank) , meth, heroin, opium,
>>>                 speed, evev viagra wbo knows what is in the
>>>                 shit...legal is good since you know what it is at
>>>                 least but those already established illegal pot
>>>                 growers are pissed when it goes legal and will break
>>>                 in and steal no problem if site becomes known...in
>>>                 your town I think is biker gangs controlling weed
>>>                 market...biker gangs and cops sometimes symbiotic
>>>                 Kone
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Mick,

             Fair enough! My Bad!!  i did not watch the vid only moved the mouse across the vid and only caught pieces and assumed.

I think Rick has some good circuits to offer but has always seemed unattached is probably the best word Ii can find for now!

He was in Germany while I was in Hungry.  He had put some conference on there.

Bart


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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 19, 2018 1:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] Norm's Magnetic Battery



Bart,

Rick said Johns brother knew nothing about electronics not John.  I spoke to Rick for a couple hours a few months back, some of what he told me was intriguing about his and Johns falling out.  Rick said he came up with the idea of the large multicore kits and John agreed but left Rick mostly on his own to build them.  Everything was hunky dory until Rick built the boat with the electric motor and Bedini charging system, this according to Rick of course.  He said John had said to him in passing prior be careful don't build anything too big but just in passing never with any sort of urgency.

Rick built a boat and was giving people rides and he said it is after that point John became unfriendly to him and while before he was treated with respect and golden afterwards he was the brunt of Johns many jokes and insults.  He said had he understood the building something bigger was really a serious warning not to he would not have but he always took it as the sort of running line like the boogieman will come.  He said the point of him breaching any rule or guideline was never discussed afterwards only the daily surliness of John to him was apparent.  Rick said this was his best guess of the transgression but he could only interpret by time and action, not a direct reprimand.

So this is the story from Rick who seemed to me sincere and much kinder a person than the few times I spoke to John on the phone back in the 80's after I told him I was a recording engineer he became ultra short and snitty.
Not claiming John was lacking as a great teacher and resource or in any way clouding his memory just reporting the facts as best I am aware.  As one can imagine after a long chat there were many other facets but perhaps another time.

Mick

On 11/19/2018 7:26 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Hello Warren

Sure do! It has been having myself reflect on things over the years. Whats it been ten now I think?

I kept John busy while you were up stairs going through builds with Rick! lol

John and I must have smoked a pack a day . Once Tom Beardon called, John put him on speaker , all I said was hi! lol

It was when John was coming out with his ten coiler and was nervous about his security, I offered he, Gary and Tom to sell them in Canada.

Tom thought it was a good idea.

But Rick put the brakes on it. I think Rick said he has his parents in Mississauga or some wheres . Rick recently released a video stating John new nothing about

electronics. I will try to find it if you have not seen it. I did buy Ricks run charge circuit and modified it with some coil bangers. I managed to get 850 volts and 40 - 8o amps.

Out of a 12 volt lead acid. Then my shop got broken into. The older retired electronics engineer Keith had helped me with it.

I asked John about Ron Cole I think was the name of the fellow whom had a battery run cold and at 17.5 volts or some thing.