Fwd: Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU

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Subject: 	Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU
Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500
From: 	Norman Wootan <[email protected]>
To: 	[email protected]



Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap 
buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys 
from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth 
grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!


On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk. What did you used
> to do with these to study neutral spikes?
>
> Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
> capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?
>
>

Ole,

Thanks for the explanation, really explicit.

I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it
to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure
how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming
from the ground.


On 4/8/2018 5:54 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.
>
> The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back)
> generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is
> actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.
>
>
> Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell
>
> The inside of a buzzer:
> [Click to Close]
> Source of image:
> http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/
>
> The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when
> disrupting the current through an inductor:
>
> /Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron
> current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching
> battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still
> flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change
> on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
> Source of the above image and text:
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/
>
> /When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the
> flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the
> diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in
> parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance
> multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e)..
> /
> /
> When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is
> limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic
> capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or a
> buzzer or a simple relay kick back.
>
> Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough
> impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high
> inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules
> applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some
> resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy
> in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to
> the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires.
> If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the
> switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of
> the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils
> of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.
>
> A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is
> opened. The current always declines from the value it has during
> breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the
> impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance
> of the coil.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: 	Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU
> Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500
> From: 	Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...>
> To: 	[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
>
> Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap
> buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys
> from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth
> grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!
>
>
> On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Norm,
>>
>>     I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did
>>     you used
>>     to do with these to study neutral spikes?
>>
>>     Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
>>     capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?
>>
>
>

The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.

The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back) generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.


Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell

The inside of a buzzer:

Source of image: http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/ http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/

The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when disrupting the current through an inductor:

Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
Source of the above image and text: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/ https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/

When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e).. 


When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.

 Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.

A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance of the coil.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 

 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 From: Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] 
 
 Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!

 
 
 On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 
 I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did you used
 to do with these to study neutral spikes?
 
 Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
 capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?

Ole!  You have a wonderful ability and knowledge to provide explanations 
of conventional electronic theory and applications. BUT, some how fail 
to grasp what Hector and I have been trying to get across, NEUTRAL SPIKE 
ENERGY.  Since back in 1899, (page 25 Colorado Springs Notes) Tesla 
clearly outlined just how to get an earth response to unidirectional 
pulses. Simplicity from day one! The source of the energy spike is from 
the ground and that needs to be addressed.  My Ludgren buzzer 
experiments point out just how this earth response works. OK!  Take the 
buzzer along with the 6VDC power supply(battery)  ( when switch closed) 
is a closed loop.  Negative side of battery is grounded to buzzer frame 
ground side of circuit.  Being sure that you have no body contact with 
earth ground, hold the buzzer in your hand and energize and you will 
feel nothing (famous Bird on the Wire) because you are part of the 
isolated circuit path as buzzer  makes and breaks and produces the 
inductive kick (conventional electronics). Now ground your body to an 
earth ground contact and repeat experiment holding the metal frame of 
the buzzer and you will get the Penny winking crap knocked out of you!  
As hector and I have pointed out so many times, the Neutral Spike Energy 
comes from the earth ground source just as Mr. Tesla tried to convey, 
way back in 1899.   If a circuit with an inductor and capacitance is 
energized and electrical energy is stored in said circuit via 
magnetically saturated inductor and charged capacitor, (totally isolated 
from earth ground) that energy simply cannot be destroyed or lost. It 
changes form into what has been proven in Physics labs, a case of Anti 
Parallel Magnetic flux Annihilation.  In space, this phenomenon has been 
studies in the solar storms which produce the EMP burst that traverse 
space.  In the lab, we can duplicate this phenomenon, which when the 
exactly right X-L / X-C match, we get the earth response from the Anti 
Parallel Flux Annihilation.  I call it an Aetheric event and does not 
comply to conventional electronics theory.  If you want to call it Cold 
Electricity, be my guest.  BTW!!!  When a magnetic field collapses in a 
saturated inductor, assisted by a capacitor discharge (polarity) 
(Magneto-Electric Effect) we see a straight down line on the scope 
(compression of energy in time) due to the fact that the LENZ effect 
does not apply (mutual inductance).  All of my lab bench experiments 
have proven to me that all of this is real and easily replicated and can 
be seen by all of you.  Please go on-line and research Flux Annihilation 
and resulting EMP.

https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12    Please read and 
understand that Tesla showed you how to use a small plasma tube way back 
in 1899 to get this effect!


Message 8171                                   DATE/TIME: 08/29/94 10:42
From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
To     : ALL
Subject: Energy
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

One of the keys to understanding ZPE is to first obtain an accurate
definition of "ordinary" energy.  Just as there are many types of
matter, there are many types of energy, or are there?  If matter does
consist of concentrated energy, and particle physics does tend to
support this assumption, then does the type of energy affect the type
of matter which is created?  Are solids, liquids, gases and plasmas
the end result of, for example, stress, heat, magnetism and electric
energies?  If all of the forms of matter are based upon the classic
chart of the elements, and hydrogen in a fusion reaction creates
these elements, then what energy creates the fusion?  Is this energy
of necessity hot, since "cold fusion" research is well funded and
ongoing even today?  Will the matter created by cold fusion be, in
reality, antimatter relative to the matter created by hot fusion,
like energies that are out of phase?

In researching ZPE, we often see anomalous results which defy logical
explanation, because our current understanding does not include the
definitions of these events.  It's like discovering an all new color,
and trying to describe it, when it is nothing like the colors that we
know.  Russell could envision the opposing vortical energy flows on
an enormous level, creating galaxies at the vortical junction. This
revelation "hit" him after being struck by lightning, and after his
family thought that he had lost his sanity.  And yet, he used Tesla
coils in opposing phase with a third coil, and created a validated
ZPE generator.  His chart of the elements is resonance based, and
conforms to the music scale of notes, which conforms to PHI, the
Golden Ratio, which conforms to pyramid geometry.  That is why I have
said that a pyramid is a Tesla coil made of rock.

All of this conforms to the MAGIC_T, which is used today for radar
and other microwave energy.  But what IS energy?  Is there more than
one type, or just variations on a theme?  Part of the answer may be
found in the fact that both the Egyptians and the Mescalero Apaches
worshipped AMMON RA (the sun), as their supreme "creator".  This has
always been considered VERY SECRET by the Apache, who will not speak
his name out loud, except in special ceremonies, for fear of invoking
his wrath.  Somewhere on this planet, at some time, there were those
who KNEW the definition of energy...the "father" energy that creates
or makes possible all of the other lesser energies.  They gave AMMON
RA and pyramid technology to tribes all over the world, in the hope
that we might understand.

Logic demands that a definition of anything includes the SOURCE of
that thing, and that is where traditional physics is lacking. Energy
cannot be created or destroyed, so then, what is the source of the
current energy?  What was the source of the source, and where did the
hydrogen clouds come from, anyway?  On a more philosophical note, how
many more generations of humans will be condemned to starvation, war,
servitude and sickness, because we can't answer that one question?

Please share your thoughts on this.  With the answer to one question,
all else will be possible.  What is energy?
===============================================================================


Message 10354                                  DATE/TIME: 01/03/95 06:51
From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED --
To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: (R) Your Messages
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

  |
  | JM> Mhos...hmmm...well, per the books, it was the closest thing I
could
  | JM> find to describe the effect...ok, I'll call it by it's proper
name:
  | JM> "energy density and energy transport in bidirectional EM wave
flux to
  | JM> create massless displacement current via hidden channel
(Whittaker
  | JM> Field) phase conjugate pumping"
  |
  |      I think I get it now(?).  By your use of the term
  | Mhos, I think you are implying Negative Resistance (Negative
  | power creation), which is entirely different than
  | Conductance (measured in the units Mhos).
  |
  |      Some times my "education" gets in the way the Mhos
  | being a case in point.  Can we come up with a term for
  | Negative Resistance, and Negative Power, and avoid the use
  | of Mhos so as not to confuse others?  Also "Displacement
  | Current" has a text book meaning and a "Free Energy" meaning
  | what do we do there?
  |
  |      Tunnel Didoes exhibit Negative Resistance.  Lambda
  | Diodes also do too.  Tunnel Didoes are expensive these days
  | ($50+).  But you can make a Lambda Diode out of back to back
  | P and N JFETs, connect all like leads together (gate to gate
  | ect).  Also the "Black Hole Antenna" work of Sutton, where
  | he synthesizes -L/-R/-C.  The problem here is that none of
  | these really have much to do with Free Energy.  So where
  | does that leave us?
  |
  |      I've read Whittakers papers, but the math in them is
  | far beyond my abilities today.  What I got out of them was
  | that Whittaker showed than any Hertzen Wave (Transverse
  | Vector Wave) could be broken down into its component Scaler
  | Waves. How does this relate to the MRA?
  |
  |      I've never quite "Got It" with the phase conjugate
  | pumping stuff yet, time for more study.  The timeless (-t)
  | reflection back to the source point always seemed like a fun
  | way to Zap the Zappers.... :-)
  | .
  | .
  | .
  |      Ok I've went and dug up Physics Today/April 1981
  | "Applications of optical phase conjugation" by Concetto R.
  | Guiliano [Has excellent references listed at the end for any
  | one thats interested].  Am I correct in assuming that the
  | MRA is acting as the pilot/reference path, and that Aether is
  | acting as the conjugator/source?  Still feel I'm missing a
  | connection here, I'll go dig out Beardon's books....
  |
===============================================================================


On 4/9/2018 6:09 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> "I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get 
> it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not 
> sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy 
> coming from the ground."
> I see two possibilities for any excess energy. The high voltage spike 
> could drag energy from the ground. The Testatika in Methernitha Linden 
> sorted the charges of the air and used them as an energy source. 
> Another possibility is the parametric change of the inductance of the 
> coil. Each time the armature moves away from the coil core the 
> inductance of the coil decreases. This represents more energy being 
> added by increasing the current. But energy has to be added to pull in 
> the armature in the first place. Perhaps some clever timing can do the 
> trick by storing energy in the coil a little while after the armature 
> has closed the magnetic circuit. Then when the coil is fully 
> magnetized the magnetic circuit is opened while extracting the current 
> at impedance match for best power transfer.
>
> I have thought of such an experiment for years. The timing will have 
> to be made variable as it has to fit the changing inductance of the 
> coil. The timing also must be out of phase with the armature. I see 
> this principle as a possible energy source in the Hendershot device. 
> Another possible energy source in that device could be mixing the 
> magnetic fields in the transformers.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> Thanks for the explanation, really explicit.
>
> I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it 
> to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure 
> how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming 
> from the ground.
>
>
> On 4/8/2018 5:54 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>     The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.
>>
>>     The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back)
>>     generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A
>>     buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a
>>     normally closed contact.
>>
>>
>>     Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell
>>
>>     The inside of a buzzer:
>>     [Click to Close]
>>     Source of image:
>>     http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/
>>
>>     The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when
>>     disrupting the current through an inductor:
>>
>>     /Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron
>>     current flows from battery through coil which has polarity
>>     matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open,
>>     Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field.
>>     Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
>>     Source of the above image and text:
>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/
>>
>>     /When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor
>>     the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage
>>     of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a
>>     resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited
>>     to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is
>>     the voltage level (e)..
>>     /
>>     /
>>     When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage
>>     is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the
>>     parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a
>>     door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.
>>
>>     Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low
>>     enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth
>>     has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the
>>     wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires
>>     guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the
>>     energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best
>>     result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This
>>     would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber
>>     is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the
>>     coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop
>>     area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of
>>     one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.
>>
>>     A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the
>>     circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it
>>     has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust
>>     according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the
>>     parasitic capacitance of the coil.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     Subject: 	Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU
>>     Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500
>>     From: 	Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>     To: 	[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap
>>     buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these
>>     guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you
>>     were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up
>>     with 6VDC input!
>>
>>
>>     On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>         Norm,
>>>
>>>         I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What
>>>         did you used
>>>         to do with these to study neutral spikes?
>>>
>>>         Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the
>>>         right
>>>         capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?
>>>
>>
>
>

No! Our physics labs are not sitting on their hands but are exploring 
the plasma phenomenon!

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.4917248




On 4/9/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Ole!  You have a wonderful ability and knowledge to provide 
> explanations of conventional electronic theory and applications.  BUT, 
> some how fail to grasp what Hector and I have been trying to get 
> across, NEUTRAL SPIKE ENERGY. Since back in 1899, (page 25 Colorado 
> Springs Notes) Tesla clearly outlined just how to get an earth 
> response to unidirectional pulses. Simplicity from day one!  The 
> source of the energy spike is from the ground and that needs to be 
> addressed.  My Ludgren buzzer experiments point out just how this 
> earth response works. OK!  Take the buzzer along with the 6VDC power 
> supply(battery)  ( when switch closed) is a closed loop.  Negative 
> side of battery is grounded to buzzer frame ground side of circuit.  
> Being sure that you have no body contact with earth ground, hold the 
> buzzer in your hand and energize and you will feel nothing (famous 
> Bird on the Wire) because you are part of the isolated circuit path as 
> buzzer  makes and breaks and produces the inductive kick (conventional 
> electronics). Now ground your body to an earth ground contact and 
> repeat experiment holding the metal frame of the buzzer and you will 
> get the Penny winking crap knocked out of you!  As hector and I have 
> pointed out so many times, the Neutral Spike Energy comes from the 
> earth ground source just as Mr. Tesla tried to convey, way back in 
> 1899.   If a circuit with an inductor and capacitance is energized and 
> electrical energy is stored in said circuit via magnetically saturated 
> inductor and charged capacitor, (totally isolated from earth ground) 
> that energy simply cannot be destroyed or lost. It changes form into 
> what has been proven in Physics labs, a case of Anti Parallel Magnetic 
> flux Annihilation.  In space, this phenomenon has been studies in the 
> solar storms which produce the EMP burst that traverse space. In the 
> lab, we can duplicate this phenomenon, which when the exactly right 
> X-L / X-C match, we get the earth response from the Anti Parallel Flux 
> Annihilation.  I call it an Aetheric event and does not comply to 
> conventional electronics theory.  If you want to call it Cold 
> Electricity, be my guest.  BTW!!!  When a magnetic field collapses in 
> a saturated inductor, assisted by a capacitor discharge (polarity) 
> (Magneto-Electric Effect) we see a straight down line on the scope 
> (compression of energy in time) due to the fact that the LENZ effect 
> does not apply (mutual inductance).  All of my lab bench experiments 
> have proven to me that all of this is real and easily replicated and 
> can be seen by all of you.  Please go on-line and research Flux 
> Annihilation and resulting EMP.
>
> https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12 Please read and understand 
> that Tesla showed you how to use a small plasma tube way back in 1899 
> to get this effect!
>
>
> Message 8171                                   DATE/TIME: 08/29/94 10:42
> From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
> To     : ALL
> Subject: Energy
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
> One of the keys to understanding ZPE is to first obtain an accurate
> definition of "ordinary" energy.  Just as there are many types of
> matter, there are many types of energy, or are there?  If matter does
> consist of concentrated energy, and particle physics does tend to
> support this assumption, then does the type of energy affect the type
> of matter which is created?  Are solids, liquids, gases and plasmas
> the end result of, for example, stress, heat, magnetism and electric
> energies?  If all of the forms of matter are based upon the classic
> chart of the elements, and hydrogen in a fusion reaction creates
> these elements, then what energy creates the fusion?  Is this energy
> of necessity hot, since "cold fusion" research is well funded and
> ongoing even today?  Will the matter created by cold fusion be, in
> reality, antimatter relative to the matter created by hot fusion,
> like energies that are out of phase?
>
> In researching ZPE, we often see anomalous results which defy logical
> explanation, because our current understanding does not include the
> definitions of these events.  It's like discovering an all new color,
> and trying to describe it, when it is nothing like the colors that we
> know.  Russell could envision the opposing vortical energy flows on
> an enormous level, creating galaxies at the vortical junction.  This
> revelation "hit" him after being struck by lightning, and after his
> family thought that he had lost his sanity.  And yet, he used Tesla
> coils in opposing phase with a third coil, and created a validated
> ZPE generator.  His chart of the elements is resonance based, and
> conforms to the music scale of notes, which conforms to PHI, the
> Golden Ratio, which conforms to pyramid geometry.  That is why I have
> said that a pyramid is a Tesla coil made of rock.
>
> All of this conforms to the MAGIC_T, which is used today for radar
> and other microwave energy.  But what IS energy?  Is there more than
> one type, or just variations on a theme?  Part of the answer may be
> found in the fact that both the Egyptians and the Mescalero Apaches
> worshipped AMMON RA (the sun), as their supreme "creator".  This has
> always been considered VERY SECRET by the Apache, who will not speak
> his name out loud, except in special ceremonies, for fear of invoking
> his wrath.  Somewhere on this planet, at some time, there were those
> who KNEW the definition of energy...the "father" energy that creates
> or makes possible all of the other lesser energies.  They gave AMMON
> RA and pyramid technology to tribes all over the world, in the hope
> that we might understand.
>
> Logic demands that a definition of anything includes the SOURCE of
> that thing, and that is where traditional physics is lacking.  Energy
> cannot be created or destroyed, so then, what is the source of the
> current energy?  What was the source of the source, and where did the
> hydrogen clouds come from, anyway?  On a more philosophical note, how
> many more generations of humans will be condemned to starvation, war,
> servitude and sickness, because we can't answer that one question?
>
> Please share your thoughts on this.  With the answer to one question,
> all else will be possible.  What is energy?
> ===============================================================================
>
>
> Message 10354                                  DATE/TIME: 01/03/95 06:51
> From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED --
> To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
> Subject: (R) Your Messages
> Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>
>  |
>  | JM> Mhos...hmmm...well, per the books, it was the closest thing I
> could
>  | JM> find to describe the effect...ok, I'll call it by it's proper
> name:
>  | JM> "energy density and energy transport in bidirectional EM wave
> flux to
>  | JM> create massless displacement current via hidden channel
> (Whittaker
>  | JM> Field) phase conjugate pumping"
>  |
>  |      I think I get it now(?).  By your use of the term
>  | Mhos, I think you are implying Negative Resistance (Negative
>  | power creation), which is entirely different than
>  | Conductance (measured in the units Mhos).
>  |
>  |      Some times my "education" gets in the way the Mhos
>  | being a case in point.  Can we come up with a term for
>  | Negative Resistance, and Negative Power, and avoid the use
>  | of Mhos so as not to confuse others?  Also "Displacement
>  | Current" has a text book meaning and a "Free Energy" meaning
>  | what do we do there?
>  |
>  |      Tunnel Didoes exhibit Negative Resistance.  Lambda
>  | Diodes also do too.  Tunnel Didoes are expensive these days
>  | ($50+).  But you can make a Lambda Diode out of back to back
>  | P and N JFETs, connect all like leads together (gate to gate
>  | ect).  Also the "Black Hole Antenna" work of Sutton, where
>  | he synthesizes -L/-R/-C.  The problem here is that none of
>  | these really have much to do with Free Energy.  So where
>  | does that leave us?
>  |
>  |      I've read Whittakers papers, but the math in them is
>  | far beyond my abilities today.  What I got out of them was
>  | that Whittaker showed than any Hertzen Wave (Transverse
>  | Vector Wave) could be broken down into its component Scaler
>  | Waves. How does this relate to the MRA?
>  |
>  |      I've never quite "Got It" with the phase conjugate
>  | pumping stuff yet, time for more study.  The timeless (-t)
>  | reflection back to the source point always seemed like a fun
>  | way to Zap the Zappers.... :-)
>  | .
>  | .
>  | .
>  |      Ok I've went and dug up Physics Today/April 1981
>  | "Applications of optical phase conjugation" by Concetto R.
>  | Guiliano [Has excellent references listed at the end for any
>  | one thats interested].  Am I correct in assuming that the
>  | MRA is acting as the pilot/reference path, and that Aether is
>  | acting as the conjugator/source?  Still feel I'm missing a
>  | connection here, I'll go dig out Beardon's books....
>  |
> ===============================================================================
>
>
> On 4/9/2018 6:09 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mick,
>>
>> "I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get 
>> it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not 
>> sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy 
>> coming from the ground."
>> I see two possibilities for any excess energy. The high voltage spike 
>> could drag energy from the ground. The Testatika in Methernitha 
>> Linden sorted the charges of the air and used them as an energy 
>> source. Another possibility is the parametric change of the 
>> inductance of the coil. Each time the armature moves away from the 
>> coil core the inductance of the coil decreases. This represents more 
>> energy being added by increasing the current. But energy has to be 
>> added to pull in the armature in the first place. Perhaps some clever 
>> timing can do the trick by storing energy in the coil a little while 
>> after the armature has closed the magnetic circuit. Then when the 
>> coil is fully magnetized the magnetic circuit is opened while 
>> extracting the current at impedance match for best power transfer.
>>
>> I have thought of such an experiment for years. The timing will have 
>> to be made variable as it has to fit the changing inductance of the 
>> coil. The timing also must be out of phase with the armature. I see 
>> this principle as a possible energy source in the Hendershot device. 
>> Another possible energy source in that device could be mixing the 
>> magnetic fields in the transformers.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>> Ole,
>>
>> Thanks for the explanation, really explicit.
>>
>> I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get 
>> it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not 
>> sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy 
>> coming from the ground.
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/2018 5:54 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>     The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.
>>>
>>>     The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back)
>>>     generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A
>>>     buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a
>>>     normally closed contact.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell
>>>
>>>     The inside of a buzzer:
>>>     [Click to Close]
>>>     Source of image:
>>>     http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/
>>>
>>>     The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when
>>>     disrupting the current through an inductor:
>>>
>>>     /Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed,
>>>     electron current flows from battery through coil which has
>>>     polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c)
>>>     Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing
>>>     magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage
>>>     vs time.
>>>     Source of the above image and text:
>>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/
>>>
>>>     /When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor
>>>     the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage
>>>     of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a
>>>     resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited
>>>     to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is
>>>     the voltage level (e)..
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage
>>>     is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the
>>>     parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes
>>>     a door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.
>>>
>>>     Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low
>>>     enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth
>>>     has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows
>>>     the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires
>>>     guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the
>>>     energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best
>>>     result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source.
>>>     This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the
>>>     snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch
>>>     and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the
>>>     loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils
>>>     of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.
>>>
>>>     A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the
>>>     circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it
>>>     has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust
>>>     according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the
>>>     parasitic capacitance of the coil.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>>     <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>     Subject: 	Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU
>>>     Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500
>>>     From: 	Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>>     To: 	[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse
>>>     trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from
>>>     these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if
>>>     you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered
>>>     up with 6VDC input!
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>         Norm,
>>>>
>>>>         I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What
>>>>         did you used
>>>>         to do with these to study neutral spikes?
>>>>
>>>>         Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the
>>>>         right
>>>>         capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi Mick,

"I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming from the ground."
I see two possibilities for any excess energy. The high voltage spike could drag energy from the ground. The Testatika in Methernitha Linden sorted the charges of the air and used them as an energy source. Another possibility is the parametric change of the inductance of the coil. Each time the armature moves away from the coil core the inductance of the coil decreases. This represents more energy being added by increasing the current. But energy has to be added to pull in the armature in the first place. Perhaps some clever timing can do the trick by storing energy in the coil a little while after the armature has closed the magnetic circuit. Then when the coil is fully magnetized the magnetic circuit is opened while extracting the current at impedance match for best power transfer.

I have thought of such an experiment for years. The timing will have to be made variable as it has to fit the changing inductance of the coil. The timing also must be out of phase with the armature. I see this principle as a possible energy source in the Hendershot device. Another possible energy source in that device could be mixing the magnetic fields in the transformers.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Thanks for the explanation, really explicit.
 I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming from the ground.
 
 
 On 4/8/2018 5:54 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.
 
 The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back) generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.
 
 
 Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell
 
 The inside of a buzzer:
 
 Source of image: http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/ http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/
 
 The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when disrupting the current through an inductor:
 
 Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
 Source of the above image and text: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/ https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/
 
 When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e).. 
 
 
 When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.
 
 Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.
 
 A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance of the coil.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 From: Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] 
 
 Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!
 
 
 
 On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Norm,
 
 I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did you used
 to do with these to study neutral spikes?
 
 Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
 capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?

Hi Warren,

The flywheel stores a lot of energy (kinetic energy). When mechanically loading another motor wired up to the same motor driving the flywheel energy is transferred through the wires connecting them. A motor and a generator is the same component. As soon as the motor spins at a lower rate than its free running speed it is a motor. When spinning faster than its free running speed it becomes a generator. By loading the motor having the flywheel through the wires (the voltage drops) it changes from motoring to generating and thus transfers kinetic energy from the flywheel to the load connected through the wires. Thus breaking the auxiliary motor breaks the flywheel by loading the flywheel motor that's now acting as a generator.

When measuring the current or the tension those values have to be multiplied at exactly the same moments to tell what the power is. Max voltage is when free running while max current is when the rotor is locked. Both these extremes are at low power. Max power transfer is somewhere in between where the product of the voltage and current is max.

"I am thinking that it may be back emf or what you describe as the flyback effect, shorting against itself, in a braking manner."
The flyback voltage is the inductive kick back from trying to demagnetize the magnetic field of a coil. The back electromotive force is the generating part of a motor or the motoring part of a generator. This is Lenz's law telling that the energy is conserved and the motor won't speed up by itself without applying energy. When the synchronous speed is exceeded the flow of energy (= power) changes direction and thus prevents the motor from exploding. http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Electronics_Diode_KickBack.html http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Electronics_Diode_KickBack.html

"It seems remarkably close, yet there is something stealing that energy when recirculated."
The laws have to be inverted as per W.B. Smith's 'Principle of Inversion.' Daniel Fry also mentions this principle which can even be used to negate gravity. Everything is vibrations. By changing the scan frequency objects will move in the opposite direction. Remember a sloppy belt between the motors/generators to periodically change the direction of power. This periodically makes the motor a generator and the generator a motor. They have to follow each other's tail I guess by constantly switching between being motors and generators.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole I have been experimenting with dc motord the last few days.
 I have a rather large 240 volt motor which I have a flywheel on, driving a 40 volt with a geared up vee belt arrangement using a Variac and bridge rectifier power source.
 Using almost 500 ma, at about 40 volts turning the smaller motor at a much higher speed, I am getting substantial voltage above the running voltage as well as much more amperage.
 I thought, well why not try it? You know?
With a growl, it churns down and dies when the power is removed.
 Hmmm?
 So then I got out an identical 240 volt big dc motor and hooked up the leads from the smaller motor.
 At the same input from the variac to the first motor and generator combo, that big motor on the output from the little motor belted to a big motor turns the same speed as the first big motor with such torque, I can't stop it.
 What is going on here? 
 What do I have to do to make up that invisible difference?
 To measurements, it seems like higher energy, yet it just bogs down and stops when I try to drive itself.
 Yet the power produced is sufficient to strongly drive that third motor which is identical to the first.
 I am thinking that it may be back emf or what you describe as the flyback effect, shorting against itself, in a braking manner.
 It seems remarkably close, yet there is something stealing that energy when recirculated.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:54 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:
 
   The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.

The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back) generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.


Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell

The inside of a buzzer:

Source of image: http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/ http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/

The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when disrupting the current through an inductor:

Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
Source of the above image and text: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/ https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/

When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e).. 


When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.

 Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.

A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance of the coil.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 

 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 From: Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] 
 
 Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!

 
 
 On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 
 I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did you used
 to do with these to study neutral spikes?
 
 Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
 capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?

Thx, would be nice to have a picture from the inside.
 

    On Sunday, April 8, 2018, 11:13:35 PM GMT+2, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 


 
 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
| Subject:  | Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU |
| Date:  | Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 |
| From:  | Norman Wootan <[email protected]> |
| To:  | [email protected] |

 
 
 
Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!
 
 

 
 On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Norm,
 
 I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did you used
 to do with these to study neutral spikes?
 
 Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
 capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?

OleI have been experimenting with dc motord the last few days.I have a rather large 240 volt motor which I have a flywheel on, driving a 40 volt with a geared up vee belt arrangement using a Variac and bridge rectifier power source.Using almost 500 ma, at about 40 volts turning the smaller motor at a much higher speed, I am getting substantial voltage above the running voltage as well as much more amperage.I thought, well why not try it? You know?
With a growl, it churns down and dies when the power is removed.Hmmm?So then I got out an identical 240 volt big dc motor and hooked up the leads from the smaller motor.At the same input from the variac to the first motor and generator combo, that big motor on the output from the little motor belted to a big motor turns the same speed as the first big motor with such torque, I can't stop it.What is going on here? What do I have to do to make up that invisible difference?To measurements, it seems like higher energy, yet it just bogs down and stops when I try to drive itself.Yet the power produced is sufficient to strongly drive that third motor which is identical to the first.I am thinking that it may be back emf or what you describe as the flyback effect, shorting against itself, in a braking manner.It seems remarkably close, yet there is something stealing that energy when recirculated.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 8:54 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.

The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back) generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.


Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell

The inside of a buzzer:

Source of image: http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/

The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when disrupting the current through an inductor:

Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
Source of the above image and text: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/

When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e).. 


When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or abuzzer or a simple relay kick back.

Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.

A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance of the coil.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :






-------- Forwarded Message --------
| Subject: | Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU |
| Date: | Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 |
| From: | Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> |
| To: | [email protected] |




Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mousetrap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts fromthese guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you ifyou were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was poweredup with 6VDC input!




On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@...[EVGRAY] wrote:


  
Norm,

I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk. What did you used
to do with these to study neutral spikes?

Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously withthe right
capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?





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Hi Lutz,

You're right. I totally agree. This was a mistake on that page.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <lutzliebers@...> wrote :

 
 http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Electronics_Diode_KickBack.html http://www.sharetechnote.com/html/Electronics_Diode_KickBack.html
 
 Something is wrong with the explanations in figure (upper C): it's not the current that reverses its 
 direction in the moment of opening the switch but the created EMK is reversed in respect to the polarity
 of the battery. 
 In other words: 
 - when you power the inductor from the battery, the current will lag due to the inductors' self inductance
   creating a counter EMK until the current reaches its stationary rate defined by the Ohmic share of the
   inductors' impedance.
 - when you open the switch, the current is hindered from flowing through the inductor, so its rate over
   time dI/dt is decreasing rapidly. According to the law of self inductance this negative dI/dt will create
   a reversed EMK called kick back spike. As a consequence, an arc is created between the contacts and 
   the current will continue to flow through the arc in the same direction but at a decreasing rate 
   until the energy of the magnetic flux is fully consumed.  
 
 If there is a free wheeling diode hooked parallel to the inductor (figure middle C), the current will flow from
 the plus side of the battery through the closed switch downwards through the inductor to the minus side of 
 the battery while the diode is sleeping. 
 In the moment of opening the switch, the decreasing current flow, still going in the same direction makes
 the polarity at the inductor reverse and instead of forming an arc the diode wakes up and overtakes the 
 decreasing current flow.
 Thus the negative kick back spike gets limited to the forward voltage of the diode which means to protect
 the contacts of the switch. So the situation has changed to far extend, almost as if a resistor or filament 
 was switched.
 
 
 ...

Empty body

Hi Norman,
 
 If not splitting up electromagnetism into separate disciplines it is easier to explain what happens. Ivor Catt spent several decades trying to find out where the charges (electrons) in the return wire came from. The problem was that the load and the source couldn't communicate with each other faster than the speed of the signal. So Catt wondered how the battery could deliver the proper power to a load at the other end of a transmission line without knowing how much power the load needed (i.e. that's the resistance of the load). The energy moves in the space between the wires. This happens like the Theory of W.B. Smith tells as three fields at right angle to each other. What classical physics don't realize is that the signal speed itself is given by what Smith calls the Tempic field. Catt describes it more like the physical constants known as the dielectric and the permeability constants. Those two constants determine the signal speed v as:
 
 Using the material constants for vacuum gives the signal speed in vacuum known as the speed of light in vacuum:
 
 The vacuum permittivity and vacuum permeability constants:
 
 This also indicates that a vacuum isn't empty as it has those properties. This also should make us go back to J.W. Keely T.JJ. See N. Tesla etc. that claimed that there was one or more aethers. Today this is called the zero point energy field. The physical constants tells that there is something there. W.B. Smith made a simple device to measure the binding force that holds together the atoms. He never found a way to calibrate the instrument. This field could be the two fundamental constants shown above.
 
 I guess what what you call the neutral spike will be what Catt didn't realize for some decades as what made the electrons move in the return wire of a transmission line. Catt realized that it was the energy moving as fields in between the wires that induced the electrons or charge carriers in the return wire of the loop. Electrons move very slow compared to the speed of the signal. This also conflicts the old Faraday's law of induction because of some superposition of the signals when dealing with transmission lines. This is also one of the reasons that no universities wants to publicize or even discuss Catt's theories.
 
Citing Ivor Catt from page four here http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf:
" 
 A Change ln Theory
 ln my article entitled 'Displacement Current’ in Wireless World in December 1978 I pointed out that when a battery charges a capacitor, the energy is introduced into the capacitor at the speed of light. Once inside the capacitor, there is no mechanism for the energy to slow down.
 

 The change in theory for a charged capacitor from stationary electric field to two electromagnetic fields travelling at the speed of light is an introduction to my general theory, that there is no such thing as a stationary field, electric or magnetic. Not only in the case of a charged capacitor, but always, any apparently stationary electric or magnetic field is in fact the superposition of two E x H electromagnetic fields travelling in opposite directions. Occam’s Razor supports this assertion. In the case of the charged capacitor, the two magnetic fields are equal and opposite. They cancel, so an instrument cannot detect them. This gives the impression that a charged capacitor only has electric field, although the energy delivered to it when charging is a TEM wave of E x H energy current. The delivered energy is conventionally said to have half its energy in the electric field and half in its magnetic field, travelling at the speed of light.
 

 In Electronics World, January 2011, page 20, I again proved from first principles that such a TEM wave can
 only travel at the speed of light for the dielectric, ±1/√με. It cannot travel slower. In our case the only possible velocity remains c, because it should be well known that when two pulses travel through each other in a coaxial cable they do not slow down. Rather, I2R losses disappear. •
 "
The highlighted line tells what happens when separating electricity and magnetism into separate disciplines. Don't do so to get the correct answer. Superposition may cancel the waves to make them look like not existing. E.g. Anti Parallel Magnetic flux Annihilation. The energy still exists as an electric field as well as the 'tempic' field (field of change).

"I call it an Aetheric event and does not comply to conventional electronics theory."
The neutral spike is energy traveling between the wire and whatever forms the return wire like the neighboring wire or the floor and walls etc. The fields spread out until reflected or confined by whatever is conductive to them. Resistive parts change the energy into heat (by friction). Treat the wires as transmission lines when working with signals of shorter wavelength than the length of the wires.

The Wakefield Experiments Background and Motivation:

 http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/harryricker/2015/12/12/the-wakefield-experiments-background-and-motivation/ http://www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/harryricker/2015/12/12/the-wakefield-experiments-background-and-motivation/

How wave fronts affects neighboring wires of multiple transmission lines:
http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x164npa.pdf http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x164npa.pdf

By the way W.B. Smith's associate W.J. Hooper also confirmed that only some of the fields cancel while other parts of the signals continue on their way. The problem is classical electromagnetism don't want to see the light.

"BTW!!!  When a magnetic field collapses in a saturated inductor, assisted by a capacitor discharge (polarity) (Magneto-Electric Effect) we see a straight down line on the scope (compression of energy in time) due to the fact that the LENZ effect does not apply (mutual inductance)."
If the spike happens during the moment of saturation it's because most of the inductance of the coil suddenly disappears. This induces a high voltage as saturation happens very fast. Removing the coil core like opening the magnetic circuit of a relay (shooting away the armature) will give the same effect.

Here is an image showing the voltage spikes of an open secondary of a current transformer:

Source: https://www.electrical4u.com/knee-point-voltage-of-current-transformer-ps-class/ https://www.electrical4u.com/knee-point-voltage-of-current-transformer-ps-class/
Observe that the high voltage spikes are formed each time the core enters and leaves magnetic saturation because of the quick change in flux density. The spikes may damage the insulation or cause arc discharges. An arc is plasma which is highly conductive and can start a new conductive path to a high current circuit like it is done in some arc welders. Here a small current of higher voltage starts the big current used for heating the metal. If an arc forms to the grid a big current of high power can be started from the grid. The initial arc could jump across an open switch. At least this scenario has to be investigated.

Regards
Ole

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ole!  You have a wonderful ability and knowledge to provide explanations of conventional electronic theory and applications.  BUT, some how fail to grasp what Hector and I have been trying to get across, NEUTRAL SPIKE ENERGY.  Since back in 1899, (page 25 Colorado Springs Notes) Tesla clearly outlined just how to get an earth response to unidirectional pulses. Simplicity from day one!  The source of the energy spike is from the ground and that needs to be addressed.  My Ludgren buzzer experiments point out just how this earth response works. OK!  Take the buzzer along with the 6VDC power supply(battery)  ( when switch closed) is a closed loop.  Negative side of battery is grounded to buzzer frame ground side of circuit.  Being sure that you have no body contact with earth ground, hold the buzzer in your hand and energize and you will feel nothing (famous Bird on the Wire) because you are part of the isolated circuit path as buzzer  makes and breaks and produces the inductive kick (conventional electronics). Now ground your body to an earth ground contact and repeat experiment holding the metal frame of the buzzer and you will get the Penny winking crap knocked out of you!  As hector and I have pointed out so many times, the Neutral Spike Energy comes from the earth ground source just as Mr. Tesla tried to convey, way back in 1899.   If a circuit with an inductor and capacitance is energized and electrical energy is stored in said circuit via magnetically saturated inductor and charged capacitor, (totally isolated from earth ground) that energy simply cannot be destroyed or lost. It changes form into what has been proven in Physics labs, a case of Anti Parallel Magnetic flux Annihilation.  In space, this phenomenon has been studies in the solar storms which produce the EMP burst that traverse space.  In the lab, we can duplicate this phenomenon, which when the exactly right X-L / X-C match, we get the earth response from the Anti Parallel Flux Annihilation.  I call it an Aetheric event and does not comply to conventional electronics theory.  If you want to call it Cold Electricity, be my guest.  BTW!!!  When a magnetic field collapses in a saturated inductor, assisted by a capacitor discharge (polarity) (Magneto-Electric Effect) we see a straight down line on the scope (compression of energy in time) due to the fact that the LENZ effect does not apply (mutual inductance).  All of my lab bench experiments have proven to me that all of this is real and easily replicated and can be seen by all of you.  Please go on-line and research Flux Annihilation and resulting EMP.
 https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12 https://www.nap.edu/read/10993/chapter/4#12    Please read and understand that Tesla showed you how to use a small plasma tube way back in 1899 to get this effect!
 
 
 
 Message 8171                                   DATE/TIME: 08/29/94 10:42
 From   : JOEL MCCLAIN
 To     : ALL
 Subject: Energy
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
 One of the keys to understanding ZPE is to first obtain an accurate
 definition of "ordinary" energy.  Just as there are many types of
 matter, there are many types of energy, or are there?  If matter does
 consist of concentrated energy, and particle physics does tend to
 support this assumption, then does the type of energy affect the type 
 of matter which is created?  Are solids, liquids, gases and plasmas
 the end result of, for example, stress, heat, magnetism and electric
 energies?  If all of the forms of matter are based upon the classic
 chart of the elements, and hydrogen in a fusion reaction creates
 these elements, then what energy creates the fusion?  Is this energy
 of necessity hot, since "cold fusion" research is well funded and
 ongoing even today?  Will the matter created by cold fusion be, in
 reality, antimatter relative to the matter created by hot fusion,
 like energies that are out of phase?
  
 In researching ZPE, we often see anomalous results which defy logical
 explanation, because our current understanding does not include the
 definitions of these events.  It's like discovering an all new color,
 and trying to describe it, when it is nothing like the colors that we
 know.  Russell could envision the opposing vortical energy flows on
 an enormous level, creating galaxies at the vortical junction.  This
 revelation "hit" him after being struck by lightning, and after his
 family thought that he had lost his sanity.  And yet, he used Tesla
 coils in opposing phase with a third coil, and created a validated
 ZPE generator.  His chart of the elements is resonance based, and
 conforms to the music scale of notes, which conforms to PHI, the
 Golden Ratio, which conforms to pyramid geometry.  That is why I have
 said that a pyramid is a Tesla coil made of rock.
  
 All of this conforms to the MAGIC_T, which is used today for radar
 and other microwave energy.  But what IS energy?  Is there more than
 one type, or just variations on a theme?  Part of the answer may be
 found in the fact that both the Egyptians and the Mescalero Apaches
 worshipped AMMON RA (the sun), as their supreme "creator".  This has
 always been considered VERY SECRET by the Apache, who will not speak
 his name out loud, except in special ceremonies, for fear of invoking
 his wrath.  Somewhere on this planet, at some time, there were those
 who KNEW the definition of energy...the "father" energy that creates
 or makes possible all of the other lesser energies.  They gave AMMON
 RA and pyramid technology to tribes all over the world, in the hope
 that we might understand.
  
 Logic demands that a definition of anything includes the SOURCE of
 that thing, and that is where traditional physics is lacking.  Energy
 cannot be created or destroyed, so then, what is the source of the 
 current energy?  What was the source of the source, and where did the
 hydrogen clouds come from, anyway?  On a more philosophical note, how
 many more generations of humans will be condemned to starvation, war,
 servitude and sickness, because we can't answer that one question?
  
 Please share your thoughts on this.  With the answer to one question,
 all else will be possible.  What is energy?
 ===============================================================================
 
 
 
 
 Message 10354                                  DATE/TIME: 01/03/95 06:51
 From   : BOB PADDOCK                        -- RECEIVED -- 
 To     : JOEL MCCLAIN
 Subject: (R) Your Messages
 Folder : A, "Public Mail"
 
  |
  | JM> Mhos...hmmm...well, per the books, it was the closest thing I 
 could
  | JM> find to describe the effect...ok, I'll call it by it's proper 
 name:
  | JM> "energy density and energy transport in bidirectional EM wave 
 flux to
  | JM> create massless displacement current via hidden channel 
 (Whittaker
  | JM> Field) phase conjugate pumping"
  |
  |      I think I get it now(?).  By your use of the term
  | Mhos, I think you are implying Negative Resistance (Negative
  | power creation), which is entirely different than
  | Conductance (measured in the units Mhos).
  |
  |      Some times my "education" gets in the way the Mhos
  | being a case in point.  Can we come up with a term for
  | Negative Resistance, and Negative Power, and avoid the use
  | of Mhos so as not to confuse others?  Also "Displacement
  | Current" has a text book meaning and a "Free Energy" meaning
  | what do we do there?
  |
  |      Tunnel Didoes exhibit Negative Resistance.  Lambda
  | Diodes also do too.  Tunnel Didoes are expensive these days
  | ($50+).  But you can make a Lambda Diode out of back to back
  | P and N JFETs, connect all like leads together (gate to gate
  | ect).  Also the "Black Hole Antenna" work of Sutton, where
  | he synthesizes -L/-R/-C.  The problem here is that none of
  | these really have much to do with Free Energy.  So where
  | does that leave us?
  |
  |      I've read Whittakers papers, but the math in them is
  | far beyond my abilities today.  What I got out of them was
  | that Whittaker showed than any Hertzen Wave (Transverse
  | Vector Wave) could be broken down into its component Scaler
  | Waves. How does this relate to the MRA?
  |
  |      I've never quite "Got It" with the phase conjugate
  | pumping stuff yet, time for more study.  The timeless (-t)
  | reflection back to the source point always seemed like a fun
  | way to Zap the Zappers.... :-)
  | .
  | .
  | .
  |      Ok I've went and dug up Physics Today/April 1981
  | "Applications of optical phase conjugation" by Concetto R.
  | Guiliano [Has excellent references listed at the end for any
  | one thats interested].  Am I correct in assuming that the
  | MRA is acting as the pilot/reference path, and that Aether is
  | acting as the conjugator/source?  Still feel I'm missing a
  | connection here, I'll go dig out Beardon's books....
  |
 ===============================================================================
 
 
 On 4/9/2018 6:09 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Hi Mick,
 
 "I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming from the ground."
 I see two possibilities for any excess energy. The high voltage spike could drag energy from the ground. The Testatika in Methernitha Linden sorted the charges of the air and used them as an energy source. Another possibility is the parametric change of the inductance of the coil. Each time the armature moves away from the coil core the inductance of the coil decreases. This represents more energy being added by increasing the current. But energy has to be added to pull in the armature in the first place. Perhaps some clever timing can do the trick by storing energy in the coil a little while after the armature has closed the magnetic circuit. Then when the coil is fully magnetized the magnetic circuit is opened while extracting the current at impedance match for best power transfer.
 
 I have thought of such an experiment for years. The timing will have to be made variable as it has to fit the changing inductance of the coil. The timing also must be out of phase with the armature. I see this principle as a possible energy source in the Hendershot device. Another possible energy source in that device could be mixing the magnetic fields in the transformers.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 
 Ole,
 Thanks for the explanation, really explicit.
 I think Hector claimed to use a capacitor with one of these and get it to keep ringing after removing the battery to start it.  I am not sure how this could be accomplished unless he was using some energy coming from the ground.
 
 
 On 4/8/2018 5:54 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   The energy isn't OU but the voltage is being transformed.
 
 The high voltage is the flyback voltage (inductive kick back) generated when trying to break the current through a coil. A buzzer is actually a relay wired to power itself through a normally closed contact.
 
 
 Source of animation: https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell https://wiki2.org/en/Electric_bell
 
 The inside of a buzzer:
 
 Source of image: http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/ http://www.electrachime.net/resonator-door-chimes/confused-buzzer/
 
 The next image shows the inductive flyback voltage formed when disrupting the current through an inductor:
 
 Inductive kickback: (a) Switch open. (b) Switch closed, electron current flows from battery through coil which has polarity matching battery. Magnetic field stores energy. (c) Switch open, Current still flows in coil due to collapsing magnetic field. Note polarity change on coil. (d) Coil voltage vs time.
 Source of the above image and text: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/ https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/semiconductors/chpt-3/inductor-commutating-circuits/
 
 When putting a low impedance like a diode across the inductor the flyback voltage is limited to the forward conduction voltage of the diode (voltage level d to the right). If putting a resistor in parallel to the coil the induced voltage is limited to the resistance multiplied by the current at cut off which is the voltage level (e).. 
 
 
 When opening the switch without any snubber circuit the voltage is limited only by the breakdown voltage of the switch and the parasitic capacitance between the turns of the coil. This makes a door bell or a buzzer or a simple relay kick back.
 
 Because the inductive spike happens fast a wire hasn't got low enough impedance to short the spike. A wire connected to earth has too high inductance to short the spike which just follows the wire. EMC rules applies to dampen such spikes. This requires guiding the spike to some resistance that can dissipate the energy as heat or store the energy in a capacitor. For best result the snubber has to be placed close to the EMP source. This would be close to the coil by using short wires. If the snubber is placed across the switch the wires between the switch and the coil will radiate the spike through space because of the loop area formed. Any loops are to be avoided as they form coils of one turn. Remove loops by twisting the wires.
 
 A coil carrying current acts like a current source when the circuit is opened. The current always declines from the value it has during breaking the circuit. The voltage will adjust according to the impedance of the load and of course also to the parasitic capacitance of the coil.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] buzzer OU Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:40:53 -0500 From: Norman Wootan <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] 
 
 Back in the day (70s) W.W. Grainger sold these Lungren mouse trap buzzers in 6 or 12 VDC!   Measured over 1,000 violts from these guys from frame ground side.  Knock the crap out of you if you were earth grounded and held the buzzer while ir was powered up with 6VDC input!
 
 
 
 On 4/7/2018 2:54 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 
   Norm,
 
 I found an old buzzer from the 70's in a box of junk.  What did you used
 to do with these to study neutral spikes?
 
 Were you ever able to get one to ring continuously with the right
 capacitor and no other input besides momentary one?

Hi Warren
 I think it is lenz law braking of the generator half of it, which only appears when the load of the motor being powered by the generator (trying to loop it) happens....
 Maybe have a switch-on of generator into caps when motor is not connected to caps then switch-on caps into motor when generator is now not connected , and have flywheel serve purpose of keeping it spinning during switch off period of caps to motor...
 Filling caps up can cause lenz law lugging and braking too, especially caps at zero volts...so maybe pre-charge caps first, make caps filling not be so harsh to generator and don't let them fall to low in voltage so caps are easy for system to fill with no or mimimun lenz law braking.
 ciaoKone

Hello Ole, Norman,

I can not really follow you completely. But it would be nice if we get to the point. If you want to create this neutral spike effectively you will always seem to produce a high voltage. The buzzer you have running with 6 volts but the impedance of the coil or the inductor is determined very high so that a spike ever arises.

Ole, the buzzer animation is really great, very good explanation.

It looks like I have the understanding that we should continue to search in resonance, in the reactive power, the key is still hidden, so I understood your execution at least.

I always think of the experiments with the diode split transformer from a TV where I have significantly increased over the earth cable, the flashovers on the spark gap.

I still stubbornly cling to the diode plug, because it's a tool in a transformer to create a saturation to cause this effect.

I just think that one must bring the resonance in the high impedance and thus in higher voltages so that the electric field Primary is like the magnetic field.

The question is from which tensions it becomes interesting, at some point the electronics will not participate anymore.

Ole, it would be nice for a few practitioners to reply to this topic, or I misinterpreted your previous answer.

regards

Sven

SvenDon Smith, Kapanadze, and Zilano would agree with you, I am sure, about recognizing resonance, as a major factor in harvesting energy. Oh yes, you are also correct regarding higher voltages, too.I wish I had a better guide line to work with these resonance projects, as I am pretty good at making things.I know I have been close, but not there yet.Cheers Warren

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  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:24 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hello Ole, Norman,

I can not really follow you completely. But it would be nice if we get to the point. If you want to create this neutral spike effectively you will always seem to produce a high voltage. The buzzer you have running with 6 volts but the impedance of the coil or the inductor is determined very high so that a spike ever arises.

Ole, the buzzer animation is really great, very good explanation.

It looks like I have the understanding that we should continue to search in resonance, in the reactive power, the key is still hidden, so I understood your execution at least.

I always think of the experiments with the diode split transformer from a TV where I have significantly increased over the earth cable, the flashovers on the spark gap.

I still stubbornly cling to the diode plug, because it's a tool in a transformer to create a saturation to cause this effect.

I just think that one must bring the resonance in the high impedance and thus in higher voltages so that the electric field Primary is like the magnetic field.

The question is from which tensions it becomes interesting, at some point the electronics will not participate anymore.

Ole, it would be nice for a few practitioners to reply to this topic, or I misinterpreted your previous answer.

regards

Sven
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Doug I have pulled out all my DC motors and have them all together, perhaps it is time to redo the daisy chain experiment, since I now have a scope?It might also be fun to belt them according to their various speeds, to drive something.I need to order diode bridges of 1000 volts and 25 amps if I can get the ascending voltage along the chain like last time. I was only using 6 amp bridges in that last experiment. They worked, but now I want the motors to do some serious work too.Perhaps I should wash the signal through a battery, before attempting to power the chain?l still haven't repaired that transistor in my old hero Statpower 125 watt inverter, screwed up doing another experiment.Hopefully, that wasn't part of the magic.It was just a brainless square wave simple inverter that was perfect for me.Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:16 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Warren

I think it is lenz law braking of the generator half of it, which only appears when the load of the motor being powered by the generator (trying to loop it) happens....

Maybe have a switch-on of generator into caps when motor is not connected to caps then switch-on caps into motor when generator is now not connected , and have flywheel serve purpose of keeping it spinning during switch off period of caps to motor...

Filling caps up can cause lenz law lugging and braking too, especially caps at zero volts...so maybe pre-charge caps first, make caps filling not be so harsh to generator and don't let them fall to low in voltage so caps are easy for system to fill with no or mimimun lenz law braking.

ciaoKone

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Hi Sven,

"I always think of the experiments with the diode split transformer from a TV where I have significantly increased over the earth cable, the flashovers on the spark gap."
When feed from the grid even through a separation transformer the high frequency of the spark generating current will take the capacitive path through the transformer. The primary and secondary sides are forming a capacitor if not wound with a grounded screen between the windings. When grounding the secondary side of the transformer the high frequency signal takes the path through the capacitance between the windings and completes the circuit through the ground wire. Even if the transformer isn't grounded it still has a path through the neutral or even the live wire as the grid is grounded somewhere else.

Electrical Surge Protection:
http://www.judgeelectrical.co.uk/domestic-electrical/surge-protection/electrical-surge-protection.html http://www.judgeelectrical.co.uk/domestic-electrical/surge-protection/electrical-surge-protection.html

Surge (spike) protectors:
http://www.industrial-electronics.com/DAQ/sss_8-0.html http://www.industrial-electronics.com/DAQ/sss_8-0.html
This article even has some scope shots of high voltage spikes. Both articles are about removing the spikes as they can be quite damaging to electrical equipment as Norman knows all about.

When using a battery powered induction device like a buzzer it still has a capacitive coupling to the ground or the ambient. Without any grounding each pole will have equal but opposite tensions (voltage). At least if the device has symmetrical impedance to ground. Half of the potential is then positive with reference to ground and the other half is negative with reference to ground. Touching any single point of the device shouldn't give a shock as the impedance to ground is very high. If grounding one of the poles or any metallic parts of the device that is capacitively coupled to one of the poles then a shock will be felt if closing the circuit by standing on the ground and touching another part of the device coupled to the opposite pole. This completes a return path for the spikes. As the spikes have very short rise times they pass easy through capacitive coupled parts which are very good conductors of high frequencies.

"I just think that one must bring the resonance in the high impedance and thus in higher voltages so that the electric field Primary is like the m"
Resonance is used for amplifying signals like in radio receivers. If looking at Pierre Cotnoir's device https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbTYIW_yo65zgWdMlcA3s9A it doesn't look like running at resonance. At least it doesn't care about changing the load impedance. A resonating system has to be readjusted if the impedance is changed. I'm more into mixing fields into coherence as per W.B. Smith A. Melnichenko ets. and harvest the excess energy. I think this is what Cotnoir is doing. He even has several primary coils for mixing several fields which multiplies the power.

Regards
Ole 

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 Hello Ole, Norman,

I can not really follow you completely. But it would be nice if we get to the point. If you want to create this neutral spike effectively you will always seem to produce a high voltage. The buzzer you have running with 6 volts but the impedance of the coil or the inductor is determined very high so that a spike ever arises.

Ole, the buzzer animation is really great, very good explanation.

It looks like I have the understanding that we should continue to search in resonance, in the reactive power, the key is still hidden, so I understood your execution at least.

I always think of the experiments with the diode split transformer from a TV where I have significantly increased over the earth cable, the flashovers on the spark gap.

I still stubbornly cling to the diode plug, because it's a tool in a transformer to create a saturation to cause this effect.

I just think that one must bring the resonance in the high impedance and thus in higher voltages so that the electric field Primary is like the magnetic field.

The question is from which tensions it becomes interesting, at some point the electronics will not participate anymore.

Ole, it would be nice for a few practitioners to reply to this topic, or I misinterpreted your previous answer.

regards

Sven

Hi Warren
 Yes this will be interesting to see that work again....I would think the invertor is not so important and batteries at input will get the same results but would be good to have the variac after the rectified invertor signal so you can easily try different voltage inputs....good luck with it! Let us know how it goes take smartphone video if possible
 ciaoKone

DougI expect you are right about the Statpower, being nothing special, except lacking any digital bells, and whistles.I have an entire case of high tech inverters lacking the control brains simply because the stupid cases looked cool for some ficticious devices used in Robo Cop. I got the gutted cases delivered to me from the props department to put some gizmo gorp light up led on the outside, as a count down timer. I just happened to ask what did they did with the remains from the inside, and could I have them?The driver kindly did the dumpster dive and delivered them to my shop.It really helps to share what you are really working on with other people, when you are doing what we do. It is amazing how much popular support there is for the outcome.In this case, as it were, I have not been able to figure out the control logic for them. Imagine 24,  brand new 400 watt inverters gutted for their pretty cases.This is a special punishment for old Industrial Design graduates, just to taunt them.I did manage to buy a new inverter all complete at Canadian Tire that was on sale of the same batch from China.No wonder it took 4 twenty eight foot moving trucks to somewhat empty my studio in Toronto!How is your move back to the west coast doing?At least there, you have a friendly climate. We still have snow on the North sides of the buildings. A huge wind took a 20 x 20 patch of tin off the roof of my big barn, so we are dealing with putting a new roof on the old barn.Spring and more experiments.Cheers Warren

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Hi Warren

Yes this will be interesting to see that work again....I would think the invertor is not so important and batteries at input will get the same results but would be good to have the variac after the rectified invertor signal so you can easily try different voltage inputs....good luck with it! Let us know how it goes take smartphone video if possible

ciaoKone

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Hello Ole,

ok the capacity of the transformer is the keyword it flows in over the earth?!? That would be free energy over ground potential ????

That would have to work with every other transformer, too, or is the extreme high impedance important, since the number of windings appears to add capacitively.

What and how should we proceed to get positive results. For me, everything speaks for the electric field that should be strengthened or based on it.

A ferroresonant transformer could also be used with low impedance winding and larger capacitors, but it is not made. The windings all have a very high inductance.

The Genesis Project is also based on sucking energy from the electric field with a negative inductor.

I did not really understand Ivor Catt. Only so much that we do not move electrons when current is flowing, as evidence that a capacitor discharges so fast almost at the speed of light and so-called free electrons can not move so fast in an electrical conductor. I've read a few links from Ivor Catt and scientists he relies on.
It's almost as if a capacitor is already a product for free energy in the broadest sense.

regards

Sven